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Title: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: scruff on July 18, 2012, 10:19:58 PM
New Dapol Schools class locomotive announced today

2S-002-00     SCHOOLS 30926 ‘REPTON’ BR LINED GREEN LATE TENDER LOGO
2S-002-000D SCHOOLS 30926 ‘REPTON’ BR LINED GREEN LATE TENDER LOGO DCC FITTED
2S-002-001   SCHOOLS 905 ‘TONBRIDGE’ MALACHITE LINED GREEN ‘SOUTHERN’
2S-002-001D SCHOOLS 905 ‘TONBRIDGE’ MALACHITE LINED GREEN ‘SOUTHERN’ DCC FITTED
2S-002-002   SCHOOLS 921 ‘SHREWSBURY’ BR LINED BLACK SMALL EARLY LOGO
2S-002-002D SCHOOLS 921 ‘SHREWSBURY’ BR LINED BLACK SMALL EARLY LOGO DCC FITTED
2S-002-003   SCHOOLS 929 ‘MALVERN’ MALACHITE GREEN
2S-002-003D SCHOOLS 929 ‘MALVERN’ MALACHITE GREEN DCC FITTED

Looks like another beaut for all you steamy fans! :thumbsup:

 RRP of £114.95

Cheers

Mark
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: K-N-Gauge on July 18, 2012, 10:31:21 PM
i shall be ordering Tonbridge :D
shame they didnt do Stowe off the bluebell line as thats the loco i remember!
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Caz on July 18, 2012, 11:14:19 PM
Likewise, pre-ordered Tonbridge from Hattons, this is getting very expensive  :)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Stevie DC on July 19, 2012, 09:29:30 AM
Hmmm as School's class... As I've said about the Pannier tank is doesn't appeal to me as is but I'm now wondering if it is possible to use the chassis for something else much as Hornby did in the 80's...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: EtchedPixels on July 19, 2012, 11:39:50 AM
They are pretty big wheels on a Schools, that said they are pretty simialr to the D15 except for the spaghetti ?



LNER wise  Improved Director perhaps  ? Or slightly undersize wheels but not excessively for a GCR D5


Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on July 19, 2012, 11:52:43 AM
Could it be that EP is experiencing a frisson of excitement at the new Dapol releases? :o
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: K-N-Gauge on July 19, 2012, 12:04:36 PM
Maybe! :O
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Stevie DC on July 19, 2012, 12:32:14 PM
They are pretty big wheels on a Schools, that said they are pretty simialr to the D15 except for the spaghetti ?



LNER wise  Improved Director perhaps  ? Or slightly undersize wheels but not excessively for a GCR D5

I was thinking along the lines of a D49, that way the valve gear could be retained with some very minor modification... I did some CAD work for a D49 a few years ago, I think a dusting off and updating of that project is required...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: EtchedPixels on July 19, 2012, 03:45:04 PM
Could it be that EP is experiencing a frisson of excitement at the new Dapol releases? :o

Mostly in a "new things to take a razor saw to" realm 8)

Schools class locos never got out to Wadebridge nor rebuilt spamcans.

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: zwilnik on July 19, 2012, 05:28:50 PM
Likewise, pre-ordered Tonbridge from Hattons, this is getting very expensive  :)

Is there a pre-order page on Hattons for the new stuff or is it over the phone only?
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: scruff on July 19, 2012, 05:54:27 PM
You can find them here:

http://www.ehattons.com/stocklist/1000396/1000589/1000640/0/Dapol_Model_Railways_N_Gauge_Steam_engines_locos/prodlist.aspx (http://www.ehattons.com/stocklist/1000396/1000589/1000640/0/Dapol_Model_Railways_N_Gauge_Steam_engines_locos/prodlist.aspx)

Looks like Hattons realised they should be charging different prices for DCC READY and DCC FITTED loco's.

Cheers

Mark
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Karhedron on July 20, 2012, 03:37:12 PM
Is there a pre-order page on Hattons for the new stuff or is it over the phone only?
The Schools is nice but in some ways a T9 might have been better.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Hailstone on July 20, 2012, 04:03:48 PM
Union mills already do one of these, along with the 700 class goods 0-6-0
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Karhedron on July 20, 2012, 04:06:03 PM
Good point, I always forget UM because they do not do anything Western. :o
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: K-N-Gauge on July 20, 2012, 04:08:02 PM
I always forgot UM just because lol! I really want one though
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: martin.2010 on August 11, 2012, 01:57:23 PM
i will definitely buying afew of these.
I emailed dapol and graham farish about making these  :claphappy: their reply's were not very promising so i got a worsley works one which still needs building  :claphappy: :claphappy:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: martin.2010 on August 11, 2012, 02:03:22 PM
does anyone know the release date
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: K-N-Gauge on August 11, 2012, 02:34:24 PM
Dapol said that they are just finishing the cad/cams for this model so won't be till next year I'd guess
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: martin.2010 on August 11, 2012, 07:05:05 PM
Dapol said that they are just finishing the cad/cams for this model so won't be till next year I'd guess
I'd bet start save the pennies up then
Title: Southern Railway Schools
Post by: Southernboy on October 31, 2012, 10:42:29 PM
Not sure where to post this - please feel free to move ...

A fellow modeller has alerted me to the fact the Osborne Models are commissioning a Schools Class locomotive from Dapol and are having a vote between Maunsell green livery and Bulleid Malachite green livery.

I want Maunsell green - so please all go and swamp Osborne Models website with votes for the Maunsell green :) :)

If you want Bullied Mallachite please don't vote, at all, ever.

I thank you :)





Title: Re: Southern Railway Schools
Post by: swisstony on October 31, 2012, 10:48:50 PM
Lol too late ;)
Title: Re: Southern Railway Schools
Post by: Southernboy on October 31, 2012, 11:06:30 PM
Well I wouldn't expect a King of the DMUs to understand :)

Nah, each to his own of course - I totally respect that - as long as everyone knows how bitterly disappointed and dejected and frustrated I will feel if us Southern Big Four modellers are yet again rejected in favour you Groupies of the Post-War era :)

Haven't you got enough to choose from already? :)

(Don't worry - just taunting) :)

But it would be nice to have something  rtr - just once :)

(Is that enough smilies btw?)
Title: Re: Southern Railway Schools
Post by: Ollie3440 on October 31, 2012, 11:34:36 PM
Sorry Southernboy, i voted Malachite. In all truth i'm not a fan of malachite but as i set my layout in the modern day and age i would want a model in her current livery. Come on Malachite  :NGaugersRule:

Ollie

(P.s. i've merged this with the Schools topic to keep everything together)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: portland-docks on November 02, 2012, 11:49:24 AM
I will be getting repton for the nymr, but im not paying the extra money for the dcc chip to be fitted, i will do that myself when needed
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: d-a-n on February 17, 2013, 10:54:54 AM
I've just emailled Osborns urging them to go with Maunsell green, as 1, it is the best livery and 2, there is already going to be malachite versions - just rename one of them if you must have 'Cheltenham'!

Dapol will have no problem selling the run of malachite ones. Variety in liveries is key in the niche N gauge area to increase sales of models and to keep the manufacturers producing the models we want.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on August 24, 2013, 10:45:09 AM
It's a tricky one for me, as I'm going to be modelling a layout set in 1930. Do I go for the release of No 905 'Tonbridge' which was built in 1930 but which is going to be released in Malachite Green (used from 1938), or do I go for No 925 'Cheltenham' which was built in 1934 but which could be in Maunsell Green? Well, I requested Maunsell Green, so if that happens, then I think the four year error will be better than the eight year error. Fingers crossed for good old Maunsell Green  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Railway Schools
Post by: 4x2 on August 24, 2013, 11:20:43 AM
Well I wouldn't expect a King of the DMUs to understand :)

Nah, each to his own of course - I totally respect that - as long as everyone knows how bitterly disappointed and dejected and frustrated I will feel if us Southern Big Four modellers are yet again rejected in favour you Groupies of the Post-War era :)

Haven't you got enough to choose from already? :)

(Don't worry - just taunting) :)

But it would be nice to have something  rtr - just once :)

(Is that enough smilies btw?)
I'm with you southernboy - Maunsell green is a must have, malachite green looks awful !
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on August 24, 2013, 01:02:01 PM
All for Maunsell Green, and Maunsell Green for all!  :P
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: K-N-Gauge on August 25, 2013, 10:45:22 PM
Have Dapol said anything more about this model? is it a 2014 release i take it lol anyone at TING ask if theres any news on this model! :D
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: EtchedPixels on August 26, 2013, 10:17:58 AM
We're still waiting for the class 142 pacer which was some years back. Treat any model arrival data as 'advisory at best'. Short of simply not telling you till its in the shops I'm not sure how much better they could do though given the way the Chinese production works and how much a problem can kick you back.

If you want Maunsell green then you probably need to find 100 buyers and commission one via Dapol. Or if people only want a few it'll be cheaper to talk to Mercig and respray them.

Alan
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on August 26, 2013, 11:40:21 AM
If you want Maunsell green then you probably need to find 100 buyers and commission one via Dapol. Or if people only want a few it'll be cheaper to talk to Mercig and respray them.

Alan

Perhaps we should do something 'official' to try and push this. Could we start with a poll or a kind of petition of interested people on the forum?
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MinZaPint on August 28, 2013, 12:38:15 PM
We're still waiting for the class 142 pacer which was some years back. Treat any model arrival data as 'advisory at best'. Short of simply not telling you till its in the shops I'm not sure how much better they could do though given the way the Chinese production works and how much a problem can kick you back.

If you want Maunsell green then you probably need to find 100 buyers and commission one via Dapol. Or if people only want a few it'll be cheaper to talk to Mercig and respray them.

Alan

Osborns have Maunsell green in mind, I and several others have registered interest in this, hope this helps.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on November 09, 2013, 10:07:11 PM
I have a Schools on pre-order since March and wondered if there was any delivery info. Checked with the Hatton's site and nothing there so went to Dapol.

The Dapol site doesn't recognise the product code, so zero info there.

Is it that they've changed product codes again or is there something else going on - see other thread re KMRC and DJM?

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MinZaPint on November 11, 2013, 11:25:26 AM
When this was announced I got very exited, the ONE loco I have wanted above all others! the continuing lack of news is a major disappointment. When Dapol settle down perhaps they will be able to give a detailed programme of proposed production, not dates but just the order that the various catalogued models will be produced, Pengi might even get her Pendolino! If Dapol are not going ahead with this perhaps some other enterprising manufacturer might take it up.
    I note elsewhere that progress on the BoB/WC has stalled at this rate I might change scale!  :(  :-\
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: d-a-n on November 11, 2013, 06:16:30 PM
I'm really not holding my breath with this one anymore. I don't understand manufacturing processes or costs at the amounts they will produce these in so I can't even guess what the matter might be. There is so much I am also waiting for from Dapol (33, 50, 59 etc) and I can't see any of it coming out at a pace which is anything quicker than glacial. I turn 30 this year, maybe I'll get a schools for my 40th.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on November 11, 2013, 07:22:58 PM
I'm really not holding my breath with this one anymore. I don't understand manufacturing processes or costs at the amounts they will produce these in so I can't even guess what the matter might be. There is so much I am also waiting for from Dapol (33, 50, 59 etc) and I can't see any of it coming out at a pace which is anything quicker than glacial. I turn 30 this year, maybe I'll get a schools for my 40th.

Oh dear! That means mine will arrive just after my 76th!  :(

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on November 11, 2013, 07:48:00 PM
Dunno what you're moaning about I'm 80 in March so what are my chances? Same goes for their  Maunsell coaches and the Farish mogul.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Les1952 on November 12, 2013, 08:31:42 PM
I'm an optimist, though I have tablets for it.

If Dapol have lost two projects and cancelled at least one other (the 7mm Beattie tank) that should help with the log-jam.  Perhaps when the Kernow dust settles we may see some stuff a bit earlier than we otherwise might?

I said I'm an optimist........

Les
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on November 13, 2013, 07:24:11 AM
Hope springs eternal, Les!

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: H on November 13, 2013, 08:18:08 AM
I suspect that with

* Escalating costs of Chinese manufacture
* Difficulties in scheduling and getting product out of china
* Recent changes in key personnel
* And the spat with Kernow

We are more likely to see more delays, and possibly cancellations, rather than previously announced products got to market quickly. There also already seems to have been a change in scale/gauge emphasis away from N (more OO and O) which is likely to increase with the new Lionel chap.

But we can dream.

H.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Mr chapman on November 15, 2013, 01:28:32 AM
The schools seems to have disappeared from the dapol website completely... I wanted one for my man of kent. I hope its going ahead, dapol get there eventually. Its not like we're starved for motive power like in the poole days. BOB/WC/Merchant Navy all from one mould and a GP tank. So we have to wait a while, I can live with that. In the mean time perhaps I can afford the N class or merchant navy from farish.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on November 15, 2013, 09:17:05 AM
I've a rake of SR green Bulleid's on pre-order that I thought could go with the Schools. They're due around the New Year. May have to review what may pull those.

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: ParkeNd on November 15, 2013, 09:21:32 AM
The lead time on new model locos seems to mirror the lead time on new industrial electromechanical products especially where plastic injection moulding tooling is involved. Just one plastic component can have a tooling lead time of 20 weeks and shipping time from China is something else unless aeroplanes are involved.

Hard to imagine less than a year from "wish" to "shops".  Don't know how big Dapol UK and Bachmann UK are but they will have to compete with the rest of their company for UK new products against Continental and US models. If the UK staff is tiny then this will be an uphill battle.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on November 15, 2013, 03:18:46 PM
Experienced a similar 'just wait for it' situation when I worked for a small UK division of a Japanese electronics giant.

We were given a production allocation but the 'when' bit depended on how well the big markets. If the US and Australasia sales were good, we waited an age for the kit.

No point in getting annoyed but it is disappointing. As suggested earlier, buy something else!

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on November 15, 2013, 03:43:13 PM
I do have a Schools on my layout, A Del Crapo one parked almost out of sight behind the shed, one of these days I'll get round to hacking the smoke box door into an open position with a bloke digging out the clinker. I originally bought it to investigate possible work to make it mobile, even if it ment a motorised van behind it. Decided maybe not a viable propostion!
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Cunimb on November 19, 2013, 03:37:59 PM
70 today :claphappy: Can I have one before my 80th - please :'(  Dont mind which cos Rule ! rules :bounce:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on November 19, 2013, 03:58:08 PM
Happy Birthday :beers:

Glad to see you're going back to Schools :-X
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on November 19, 2013, 04:16:00 PM
Happy Birthday :beers:

Glad to see you're going back to Schools :-X

Goes with the second childhood thing.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: d-a-n on November 19, 2013, 06:46:29 PM
70 today :claphappy:

Many happy returns! Hope you have a good (rest of) birthday.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on November 19, 2013, 07:26:04 PM
70 today :claphappy:

Many happy returns! Hope you have a good (rest of) birthday.

Here! Here!

Hope your birthday wish comes true.

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on November 19, 2013, 10:05:01 PM
Hope your birthday wish comes true.

I hope they come true too - for all of our sakes! :D Happy Birthday!
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: portland-docks on December 01, 2013, 08:03:55 PM
well....

the cad drawings have been released :P
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: K-N-Gauge on December 01, 2013, 08:43:18 PM
well....

the cad drawings have been released :P

Well it's a start  :D
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: d-a-n on December 01, 2013, 09:03:29 PM
Do you mean these ones?

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/67400-dapol-n-gauge-schools-class/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/67400-dapol-n-gauge-schools-class/)

Looking at them just makes me want the model more and I know it's not going to be here for a long, long time. I try consoling myself by prospectively looking at buying an existing steam locomotive but it just wouldn't be the same as having one of these little fellas running round the office...!

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on December 01, 2013, 09:51:43 PM
It does say 'first drafts' but followed by a slightly more encouraging 'We are aiming for release quarter 2 to quarter 3 2014'

I'll add that info to my pre-order log to make sure the N Gauge kitty is topped up in good time.

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Hailstone on December 01, 2013, 11:15:37 PM
Great news - although my wallet just fainted

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Agrippa on December 02, 2013, 12:45:11 AM
They'll probably be available in time for Halleys comet's next visit. once they've been sold there will be the usual tales
of shoddy workmanship, doesn't run well , caught fire etc.......... :D
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on December 02, 2013, 08:46:23 AM
They'll probably be available in time for Halleys comet's next visit.

That'll be around 2061 then!  :doh:

I think my credit card and fire insurance may have expired by then but I'll try and stay positive.   :-\

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on December 02, 2013, 01:02:38 PM
I just got the same news in an email from Michael Pearce at Osbornes.

(http://dapol.co.uk/image/data/130124_School%20Class%203D%201.jpg)

The release is due on Cheltenham's eightieth birthday. At least it's still on.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on December 02, 2013, 03:25:50 PM
Yes, so did I.

I did acknowledge Micheal's email with thanks.

Nice to have a bit of follow-up.  :thumbsup:

Let's hope that service level continues.

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on December 02, 2013, 04:50:50 PM
Well Cheltenham was built July 1934 so we should have trhe best part of 8 months to save up!!
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: K-N-Gauge on December 02, 2013, 07:04:47 PM
Atleast we have a date to work on!  :D

Its taken a while from dapol saying they are going to produce this model,  to getting here lol
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: d-a-n on December 02, 2013, 08:36:39 PM
I thought it was good of Michael Pierce to reply to my email with this news - no mention of whether it will be in malachite or Maunsell green but it's a step in the right direction!
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on December 02, 2013, 09:33:06 PM
...no mention of whether it will be in malachite or Maunsell green but it's a step in the right direction!

Yes, I noticed that bit of information was still missing, so I presume they haven't made a final decision yet. There's still hope for a Maunsell livery.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: portland-docks on December 02, 2013, 09:55:13 PM
presuming they stick to original plans, you should have cheltenham in malachite green and repton in br green....
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on December 02, 2013, 10:37:18 PM
Neither of which are any use to me.  :(
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on December 03, 2013, 12:01:43 AM
Nor me, Pre Malachite here.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: portland-docks on December 03, 2013, 12:04:13 AM
Basically i think they planned on doing them as they are now even though repton is awaiting overhaul... Cant remember exactly if shes southern green or br green, i will have to dig out dapols mag again
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on December 03, 2013, 10:48:18 AM
Basically i think they planned on doing them as they are now even though repton is awaiting overhaul... Cant remember exactly if shes southern green or br green, i will have to dig out dapols mag again

What do you call Southern Green? The Maunsell Olive which was appliedfor over 15 years, or the awful, garish, gaudy colour introduced by Bulleid and applied to some classes for a couple of years before WW2 black and again for a couple of years after WW2 until nationalisation? I can't see why manufacturers ignore Maunsell olive; I was a train spotter in and around Bournemouth & Poole through WW2 up to about 1949 and don't recall seeing that many Malachite (I usually spell it with an "s")  locos, there were still quite a few in olive, more in wartime black.

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: portland-docks on December 03, 2013, 10:50:10 AM
Basically i think they planned on doing them as they are now even though repton is awaiting overhaul... Cant remember exactly if shes southern green or br green, i will have to dig out dapols mag again

What do you call Southern Green? The Maunsell Olive which was appliedfor over 15 years, or the awful, garish, gaudy colour introduced by Bulleid and applied to some classes for a couple of years before WW2 black and again for a couple of years after WW2 until nationalisation? I can't see why manufacturers ignore Maunsell olive; I was a train spotter in and around Bournemouth & Poole through WW2 up to about 1949 and don't recall seeing that many Malachite (I usually spell it with an "s")  locos, there were still quite a few in olive, more in wartime black.

whichever they use more often for southern locos :P
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on December 03, 2013, 12:26:45 PM
Quote
whichever they use more often for southern locos

If by they you mean the Southern Railway then the anawer would be Maunsell olive, if Dapol  consider their models to be ACCURATE scale models then on the basis of how long a livery was carried at least 2 or more should be Maunsell olive, 2 in BR, 1 in wartime black before they even consider Malachite.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: portland-docks on December 03, 2013, 12:32:13 PM
according to dapol catalogue which i have in my hand, they will be releasing the following schools models...

Repton BR lined green late crest
Repton BR lined green late crest dcc fitted
Tonbridge malachite lined green "southern"
Tonbridge malachite lined green "southern" dcc fitted
Shrewsbury BR lined black small early logo
Shrewsbury BR lined black small early logo dcc fitted
Malvern malachite green
Malvern malachite green dcc fitted
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Karhedron on December 03, 2013, 12:35:58 PM
Maybe they are basing their production plans on which liveries Hornby sells well in 00?  ???
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on December 03, 2013, 12:39:53 PM
Osborn's are listing an 'exclusive' with an invitation to express interest and to state your livery colour preference.

As we seem to have Michael's attention just now, why not drop him a line?

http://www.osbornsmodels.com/osborns-dapol-exclusive-sr-schools-4-4-0-cheltenham-lined-green-22677-p.asp (http://www.osbornsmodels.com/osborns-dapol-exclusive-sr-schools-4-4-0-cheltenham-lined-green-22677-p.asp)

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: portland-docks on December 03, 2013, 12:46:04 PM
seeing as i want repton in br green as it currently is at nymr, iv asked for cheltenham in malachite green.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MinZaPint on December 03, 2013, 01:08:48 PM
I Emailed Osbornes at the beginning expressing my interest in Maunsell green, have received an Email this morning from Michael confirming Dapol's announcement so with Dapol releasing Malachite it would seem Osbornes exclusive could corner the Maunsell market if we express our interest to them.

Fingers crossed

David
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Mr chapman on December 03, 2013, 03:16:01 PM
During a phone conversation with them they said interest was about 50/50. I dont know if they can but they suggested they may split the run and do half maunsell half malachite
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Karhedron on December 03, 2013, 04:20:16 PM
Curious, I would have thought the Malachite market would have been amply served by the standard Dapol releases.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Mr chapman on December 03, 2013, 04:59:31 PM
I think its more the name. Isn't cheltenham preserved in malachite?
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: portland-docks on December 03, 2013, 05:31:47 PM
Yes it is
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: EtchedPixels on December 03, 2013, 09:21:34 PM
Curious, I would have thought the Malachite market would have been amply served by the standard Dapol releases.

Yes but almost every N gauge steam modeller models between 1950 and 1968 according to the trade - and they ought to know!

Alan
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on December 03, 2013, 09:48:28 PM
Curious, I would have thought the Malachite market would have been amply served by the standard Dapol releases.

Yes but almost every N gauge steam modeller models between 1950 and 1968 according to the trade - and they ought to know!

Alan

But is that because those of us with no kit making ability have been forced into that timeframe by the manufacturers lack of offerings? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: EtchedPixels on December 03, 2013, 09:50:21 PM
But is that because those of us with no kit making ability have been forced into that timeframe by the manufacturers lack of offerings? :hmmm:

or by lack of confidence ?
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on December 03, 2013, 10:03:06 PM
But is that because those of us with no kit making ability have been forced into that timeframe by the manufacturers lack of offerings? :hmmm:


or by lack of confidence ?


Mine or theirs?
Reg Prescott - Electricity (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwBjLCAodLw#)

I seem to recall my school teachers saying my work always turned out how they thought it would :(
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on December 03, 2013, 11:05:14 PM
But is that because those of us with no kit making ability have been forced into that timeframe by the manufacturers lack of offerings? :hmmm:

I refuse to be forced into that time frame by the manufacturers. I'm not a number, I'm a free man!


Well... Actually I come with a small charge but that kind of spoils the effect...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on December 04, 2013, 11:45:07 AM
Latest newsletter from Osbornes (they're really active all of a sudden, although I'm certainly not complaining):

Cheltenham Schools Livery Update
Maunsell 54%
Malachite 25%
No preference 21%


I'd say that's looking like a victory for the Maunsells.

:thumbsup: :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on December 04, 2013, 12:23:22 PM
Latest newsletter from Osbornes (they're really active all of a sudden, although I'm certainly not complaining):

Cheltenham Schools Livery Update
Maunsell 54%
Malachite 25%
No preference 21%


I'd say that's looking like a victory for the Maunsells.

:thumbsup: :beers:

 :claphappy:

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Mr chapman on December 04, 2013, 01:31:34 PM
Woop woop! I do wonder why the reluctance to produce olive green models? Theres been one M7 and one terrier. ( ignoring the GP tank ) theres plenty of lms/lner/gwr liveries. The N class is on its way and bachmann are pretty good with maunsell liveries. Dut the dapol terrier for example has had quite a few LBSC versions, about four br black versions and one black, one green southern loco. There was a book set listed with an olive terrier and some sr wagons but it was cancelled. Even the maunsell coaches aren't getting maunsell green on the first wave?! Dear mr osborn...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: d-a-n on December 04, 2013, 05:26:57 PM
It seems the N gauge community have a wonderful opportunity here to get a unique 5th livery which probably won't cost much more.
Dapol are already offering 2 locos in malachite, I see no sense in demanding a third in malachite when there is a gap in the liveries (unless you are ordering for the convenience of being able to run three locos on a layout in the malachite era).
It's easier and more cost effective to rename/number a malachite loco than to repaint a malachite into Maunsell!
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Ollie3440 on December 04, 2013, 06:07:46 PM
Latest newsletter from Osbornes (they're really active all of a sudden, although I'm certainly not complaining):

Cheltenham Schools Livery Update
Maunsell 54%
Malachite 25%
No preference 21%


I'd say that's looking like a victory for the Maunsells.

:thumbsup: :beers:

I got the email today too. Personally i expressed my interest in Malachite. Whilst i think it's a horrible livery i want Cheltenham as preserved. Oh well, i've had a standard Dapol Malachite one on order for a while now to re-number/name just incase this model wasn't how i wanted it.

Ollie

 :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: gc4946 on January 05, 2014, 09:47:00 PM
Might put my name down for one of these.
30925 Cheltenham ran on a RCTS special "The East Midlander" from Nottingham to Darlington double headed with 2P 4-4-0 40646 on 13 May 1962 routed via Tadcaster, Wetherby (reverse) and Harrogate.
(source: Railway memories no. 24: Harrogate & Wetherby by Stephen Chapman, published by Bellcode Books, 2011)

It was allocated to Fratton from new until the Portsmouth electrification in 1937 so as I grew up in Portsmouth, a Schools loco will be added to my collection.
BTW both other preserved Schools locos 30926 Repton and 30928 Stowe were also allocated there when new.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: N_south on March 27, 2014, 01:03:33 PM
I voted for Maunsell Green For Osborne models No 925 Cheltenham I already have Tonbridge on Order via E Hattons Please, please come out this Year schools Class!!! :bounce: Bouncing for Southern :-D

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on March 27, 2014, 05:30:07 PM
I voted for Maunsell Green For Osborne models No 925 Cheltenham I already have Tonbridge on Order via E Hattons Please, please come out this Year schools Class!!! :bounce: Bouncing for Southern :-D

Well done!  :thumbsup:

I wonder what the totals are now for Maunsell green and the other colour?
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on March 27, 2014, 06:15:19 PM
Quote
I wonder what the totals are now for Maunsell green and the other colour?

By other colour do you mean Bulleid's horrible garish malachite (spelt with an S) probably one of the shortest lived liveries in terms of when it was applied, (apart from experimental BR) it came out in 1938, stopped in about '40 replaced by black and only crept in for a couple of years after WW2 before nationalistaion came along.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on March 27, 2014, 10:59:19 PM
Quote
I wonder what the totals are now for Maunsell green and the other colour?

By other colour do you mean Bulleid's horrible garish malachite (spelt with an S) probably one of the shortest lived liveries in terms of when it was applied, (apart from experimental BR) it came out in 1938, stopped in about '40 replaced by black and only crept in for a couple of years after WW2 before nationalistaion came along.

That's exactly the unmentionable colour I meant. It was also applied to one or two locos in 1948-49 when BR was testing liveries. There was at least one LMS loco that had it slapped on.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on March 28, 2014, 08:45:10 AM
I voted for Maunsell Green For Osborne models No 925 Cheltenham I already have Tonbridge on Order via E Hattons Please, please come out this Year schools Class!!! :bounce: Bouncing for Southern :-D

Likewise in both cases here but wonder what is happening as no news at all from Osborne's but perhaps that's because there's no news from Dapol. Nowt unusual there!

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Mr chapman on March 29, 2014, 01:03:25 AM
As far as im aware the schools should be out later this year around the same time as the maunsells. Its due out before the pacific's that are in the tooling room. That's according to the chap at ally pally. Also voted for the olive green.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: N_south on May 07, 2014, 06:03:50 PM
As far as im aware the schools should be out later this year around the same time as the maunsells. Its due out before the pacific's that are in the tooling room. That's according to the chap at ally pally. Also voted for the olive green.


Goodie More Olive Green votes :-D
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on February 09, 2015, 06:36:41 PM
Anyone got news on this one?

I can't find anything on the Dapol website.

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on February 09, 2015, 06:42:15 PM
Anyone got news on this one?

I can't find anything on the Dapol website.

Dave G
Last time I checked with Hattons they came up with a blank - mine is still on preorder. At least my cash is still in the bank as a result. Dapol and Farish Delivery estimates are still hopeless!
 :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 09, 2015, 06:51:50 PM
Don't wanna worry you, but I first heard Dapol mention Maunsell coaches at least 10 years ago at an NGS AGM.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on February 09, 2015, 06:56:04 PM
Don't wanna worry you, but I first heard Dapol mention Maunsell coaches at least 10 years ago at an NGS AGM.
I doesn't worry me Mike it just annoys me intensely. Dapol and Farish don't seem to care that they get their customers enthusiastic about plans for new products which then just fall flat.
 :veryangry:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on February 09, 2015, 07:03:31 PM
I'll take that as a 'No', then!  :(

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on February 09, 2015, 07:06:53 PM
I'll take that as a 'No', then!  :(

Dave G
You should put that post in the jokes forum....
 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Richard G Dallimore on February 09, 2015, 07:23:05 PM
You should ask them on their facebook page as that does get answered.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: talisman56 on February 09, 2015, 07:24:57 PM
According to the Dapol 'Launches' page, the Schools are expected Q2 2015... Yes, I'll believe it when I see it...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Mr chapman on February 09, 2015, 07:27:01 PM
I spoke to Osborn's about the schools. Last they were told by dapol was towards the end of the year. Sep-oct ish
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: talisman56 on February 09, 2015, 07:31:56 PM
Was that for the general release ones or their special edition (or both)... I want one in SR Olive Green and as Dapol aren't doing one looks like the only opportunity is the Osbornes special (if they do it in Olive Green...)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Mr chapman on February 09, 2015, 07:40:50 PM
That's for their one. The maunsell green is "massively in front" so it will be olive. They've just not updated the site.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: talisman56 on February 09, 2015, 07:43:46 PM
OK, looks like they'll be getting a pre-order in due course, then... Thanks for that (said my wallet - not!)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on February 25, 2015, 11:30:50 AM
Latest info from Michael at Osbornes:

Nothing coming out of Dapol at the moment unfortunately. It will be Maunsell rather than Malachite green, but I can't give you a date at the moment. I will keep pestering them for you to try and get one.


Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: talisman56 on February 25, 2015, 02:02:31 PM
Thanks for that, Dave. Please keep us posted...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Zaphras on March 23, 2015, 05:40:53 PM
Hi all

Checked Dapol's web site today and the Schools is now on there as available 4th quarter this year.
I'm not sure that I entirely believe that date.

Martin
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on March 23, 2015, 05:53:11 PM
Hi all

Checked Dapol's web site today and the Schools is now on there as available 4th quarter this year.
I'm not sure that I entirely believe that date.

Martin

Yup - it's pinch of salt time but that's still one heck of a wait!  :(

Thanks for the update though  :wave:

Dave G

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on March 23, 2015, 06:24:05 PM
We'll have worn our Maunsells out by then  :D
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: portland-docks on September 16, 2015, 09:12:18 PM
heres some photos of the first working non painted prototype of the schools which we had running on Moorside Valley Railway at TINGS at the weekend.

quick review...

Looks
looks superb! highly detailed, waiting with anticipation of the painted prototypes!

performance
despite being a 4-4-0 she runs beautifully! especially once ran in! we even gave her the challenge of running tender first up a gradient and she managed it with ease, even putting our standard 5s to shame! so both directions is no problem for this little engine! hauling on average 7-8 coaches without any problems, some rakes being slightly heavier due to light bars etc fitted but that was no problem for her!

Overall marks
even at this early stage, im saying 10/10, i wanted to keep this model as shes perfect for my line!

(http://s23.postimg.org/sp9jh95nb/IMG_3254.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/sp9jh95nb/)

(http://s23.postimg.org/fnsg556mv/IMG_3255.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/fnsg556mv/)

(http://s23.postimg.org/t3fgulf4n/IMG_3256.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/t3fgulf4n/)

(http://s23.postimg.org/arotdg6hj/IMG_3258.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/arotdg6hj/)

(http://s23.postimg.org/l5l1sy1uf/IMG_3261.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/l5l1sy1uf/)

(http://s23.postimg.org/k4kt3tkuv/IMG_3262.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/k4kt3tkuv/)

(http://s23.postimg.org/6q7q7se6v/IMG_3263.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/6q7q7se6v/)

(http://s23.postimg.org/4x4tjgt07/IMG_3265.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4x4tjgt07/)

(http://s23.postimg.org/5iydtbdg7/IMG_3272.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5iydtbdg7/)

(http://s23.postimg.org/5138dgnvb/IMG_3273.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/5138dgnvb/)

(http://s23.postimg.org/4ki0r1047/IMG_3274.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4ki0r1047/)

(http://s23.postimg.org/jdwobs7vb/IMG_3275.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/jdwobs7vb/)

(http://s23.postimg.org/4fe9hcst3/IMG_3276.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/4fe9hcst3/)

(http://s23.postimg.org/gxuuxxpsn/IMG_3277.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/gxuuxxpsn/)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: mika on September 17, 2015, 09:05:17 AM
Thanks for the pictures. The loco does look good and it's nice to read that the performance can keep up with the looks.
I guess I'll have to invest in one after all...
Did Dapol mention when they will be produced?

Michael
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: portland-docks on September 17, 2015, 09:38:19 AM
Well be a while yet as we have to wait for the painted prototypes first unfortunatly
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on September 17, 2015, 09:59:06 AM
You might at least have found a rake of Maunsells for it to haul :o :whistle:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: portland-docks on September 17, 2015, 10:25:45 AM
Iv got 4!!! Lol
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: d-a-n on September 17, 2015, 05:17:56 PM
Looks great, thanks for putting up some photos, this is the only loco I've really, really wanted! I suppose having seen this we can expect a date which is a bit more concrete than it's originally touted date of 2012...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: portland-docks on September 17, 2015, 05:37:11 PM
at its current stage, you are probably looking mid-late 2016 i reckon as painted prototype needs to come in, be assessed and tested thoroughly before given the all clear to go into production
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Zaphras on September 17, 2015, 07:28:42 PM
Hi

Portland-Docks is right. On a card next to another EP on the Dapol stand at TINGS second quarter 2016 was quoted as the anticipated delivery date.

This is one I'm really looking forward to as there were 10 shedded at St Leonards West Marina in the 50's and the house I lived in at the time was opposite the curve coming out of West St Leonards station so I saw them every day struggling round the curve with 10 or so coaches.

Martin
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: joe cassidy on September 17, 2015, 08:00:43 PM
Looks great, thanks for putting up some photos, this is the only loco I've really, really wanted!

Tell us why Dan.

I, for one, am curious.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: d-a-n on September 17, 2015, 08:40:07 PM
Looks great, thanks for putting up some photos, this is the only loco I've really, really wanted!

Tell us why Dan.

I, for one, am curious.

Best regards,


Joe

When I was a kid, my dad collected Hornby and Bassett Lowke clockwork tin plate O gauge trains and rather than allowing them to gather dust we played with them, either in the shed which had been converted to running trains with shelving all round or on boards laid with track around our garden. We had an olive Schools class and nothing could touch it for how amazing it looked with a rake of 6 or 7 Pullmans behind it. The Hornby offering even had a level of detail accuracy which couldn't be said of their equivalent 4-4-2 Flying Scotsman!
So the reason, apart from it being a very beautifully designed locomotive in my preferred gauge, is a sentimental one which relates to a very happy time; one which I wish could press the pause button on.


Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: joe cassidy on September 17, 2015, 08:57:20 PM
Thanks Dan.

For my part, I want to buy the Schools class because I have a collection of loco prints given away by the VIP petrol company in the late 60s of which the Schools was one.

My Dad travelled a lot for his job so I have more or less the complete collection which for me is my list of iconic locos to be acquired if possible.

Best regards,


Joe
P.S. We also had a lot of Green Shield stamps when I was a kid !

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: d-a-n on September 17, 2015, 09:24:31 PM
That's a good aim to go for Joe! How many icons have been ticked off the list so far? Cheers for sharing :-)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on September 18, 2015, 05:10:18 PM
I have 'Cheltenham' on order with Osborns.

Maybe worth an email to Michael to see what he reckons the ETA for their special is.

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on September 18, 2015, 05:39:49 PM
I have 'Cheltenham' on order with Osborns.

Maybe worth an email to Michael to see what he reckons the ETA for their special is.

Dave G

Is it an order or a reservation? Osborn's weren't even sure which livery they were going to plump for (although Maunsell Green was becoming the favourite).
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: joe cassidy on September 18, 2015, 06:44:40 PM
That's a good aim to go for Joe! How many icons have been ticked off the list so far? Cheers for sharing

The moderators will probably shoot me for being off-topic but politeness dictates that I reply so, the following locos came out as VIP give-away prints

LMS streamlined Coronation - got the Langley kit
LMS Royal Scot - not available in RTR N gauge
SR King Arthur - not available in RTR N gauge
LNWR Robinson 2-2-2 'Lady of the Lake' - not available in RTR N gauge
MR rebuilt Kirtley 2-2-2 - not available in RTR N gauge
BR class 9 2-10-0 'Evening Star' - waiting for a cheap Dapol one
Schools class 'Stowe' - waiting for the Dapol one
A4 Mallard - waiting for the Dapol one with valances
Caledonian Railway 4-2-2 no.123 - not available in RTR N gauge
LMS Jubilee 'Kolhapur - got the Farish one
spam can 'Winston Churchill' - waiting for a light pacific in SR livery
MR Johnson 4-2-2 - not available in RTR N gauge
GWR 'City of Truro' - not available in RTR N gauge
MR Compound - got the Farish one
GWR Castle 'Pendennis Castle' - waiting for the Farish one
GWR Castle Clun Castle' - waiting for the Farish one
GWR King 'King Henry VI' - don't like Kings
A3 'Flying Scotsman' - don't like the Dapol one

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: port perran on September 18, 2015, 07:04:10 PM
So............could I possibly justify a Schools for North Cornwall ?
Perhaps working in on a special ?
I guess Rule one (as ever) would say YES !
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Southernboy on September 18, 2015, 07:26:38 PM
Osborn's weren't even sure which livery they were going to plump for (although Maunsell Green was becoming the favourite).

The result was 54% Maunsell, 25% Malachite, the rest undecided.

I'm happy with that :)

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on September 18, 2015, 07:27:51 PM
Joe, SR King Arthur (N15) there is a kit from BHE, doesn't look right on the Poole black 5 chassis it's supposed to fit but can be made to fit others which look OK. I believe there was also a Scot kit, same black 5 problem.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: joe cassidy on September 18, 2015, 07:43:26 PM
Thanks Mike.

If I manage to finish the Langley Coronation I'll have a go at the Royal Scot kit.

Best regards,

Joe
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on September 19, 2015, 08:46:22 AM
My enquiry became an order as soon as the livery was confirmed by Michael.

I've dropped him an email regarding the ETA.

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Greybeema on September 19, 2015, 01:22:32 PM
I'm definitely up for one.  I model South Eastern although in the modern era, and at this moment "Modelling" is more looking at it now and again rather than actual modelling. 

I love the look of the loco - so I think I'm going to have an occasional excursion along the North Kent line.  I suppose I should buy an N as well.  You never know I might end up that I have a historical era set up for Northfleet...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Mr chapman on September 19, 2015, 02:47:07 PM
So............could I possibly justify a Schools for North Cornwall ?
Perhaps working in on a special ?
I guess Rule one (as ever) would say YES !
I have a photo of a schools on a rake of collette coaches. Must have come from somewhere... Why not cornwall?
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on September 19, 2015, 07:56:23 PM
So............could I possibly justify a Schools for North Cornwall ?
Perhaps working in on a special ?
I guess Rule one (as ever) would say YES !
I have a photo of a schools on a rake of collette coaches. Must have come from somewhere... Why not cornwall?
Like I will for my Oxfordshire layout, just arrange a 'footie special', Martin. Loads of them about in that era :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Les1952 on September 22, 2015, 12:31:48 AM
They never got round the Durham Coast so there won't be one on Hawthorn Dene.

HOWEVER there was a special train that ran to Darlington Works behind 30925 Cheltenham.  As my next layout is Croft Spa (the small wayside station 4 miles South of Darlington) I can get a Schools without having to invoke Rule 1.  Technically it should double-head a 2P but I have one of those already just needing chipping.

One happy bunny.
Les
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: 5944 on September 23, 2015, 10:00:37 PM
So............could I possibly justify a Schools for North Cornwall ?
Perhaps working in on a special ?
I guess Rule one (as ever) would say YES !
I have a photo of a schools on a rake of collette coaches. Must have come from somewhere... Why not cornwall?
Like I will for my Oxfordshire layout, just arrange a 'footie special', Martin. Loads of them about in that era :thumbsup:
I found the other day I can justify 30925 running on Aylesbury GC, as it was used, once, on a working in the early 60s off a railtour. That's good enough for me!
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on September 26, 2015, 07:26:10 AM
Heard back from Michael at Osbornes re their 'Cheltenham' special:

Unfortunately we haven't really been given an update yet.

There is a prototype sample of the Schools in the UK (I caught a glimpse of it at T.I.N.G.S) but haven't had a proper look at it. They are saying it wont be available until 2nd quarter 2016, although they had told us it would be before the end of the year, which I don't think will happen now. 6 weeks on a boat means they would have to have it manufactured in the next couple of weeks realistically.

They had originally said 2nd quarter 2014, which suited us as it was Cheltenhams 80th anniversary. so at the moment it looks to be 2 years later than expected. Obviously we have no control over the production schedules or manufacturing processing but please accept our sincere apologies for the continued delay on this loco being released.


This backs up the info from others here. Disappointed it is so very late but given the general delivery history for N Gauge out of China, not that unexpected.

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MinZaPint on September 26, 2015, 04:00:10 PM
Looks great, thanks for putting up some photos, this is the only loco I've really, really wanted! I suppose having seen this we can expect a date which is a bit more concrete than it's originally touted date of 2012...

I'm with d-a-n on this, looking back I see that it was back on 23/01/13 that I got over exited when Dapol Dave (as he was then) put up the cad/cam pictures. Then on returning from hols this week I saw the pictures of one running on "Moorside valley" really couldn't believe it I'd given up hope of ever seeing one! Disappointed to see that the release date has been put back yet again! but at least it gives time to save, better get my order into Osbornes for a MAUNSELL one  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Les1952 on September 26, 2015, 05:44:06 PM
Between now and arriving in the shops what has to happen?

Assuming the EP is OK.  If not delay stages 1-5 below by about eight weeks.

1.  Decorated samples need to be made and sent to Dapol- allowing about 4-5 weeks that takes us to November.
2.  Corrections need approving and the thing signed off and a slot booked- say amother month if they are lucky.
3.  That means you are getting perilously close to Chinese New Year.  If produced before that they could be on the boat by the end of January.  If not allow another ten weeks- mid April.
4. Six weeks on the boat- end of May or thereabouts.
5. Get to Chirk, check and send on- mid June in the shops.

Second Quarter 2016 doesn't sound that unreasonable to me.  Earliest likely is May by my amateur reckoning.
Les
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Richard G Dallimore on September 26, 2015, 05:57:46 PM
Les1952 I whole agree with your dates and logic, seems reasonable to me.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Roy L S on September 26, 2015, 06:36:26 PM
If the loco seen at TINGS was indeed a first EP then it will not have included rivet detail etc which would as I understand it be added after that has been evaluated. So add in time for a rivet detail etc to be added to the tooling, then a second EP for evaluation followed by deco sample from there if all is ok, then production so the date in 2016 especially factoring in CNY is perfectly logical.

Roy
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: d-a-n on September 27, 2015, 09:57:17 AM
If the loco seen at TINGS was indeed a first EP then it will not have included rivet detail etc which would as I understand it be added after that has been evaluated. So add in time for a rivet detail etc to be added to the tooling, then a second EP for evaluation

Does part of this evaluation include counting the rivets?
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on September 27, 2015, 10:02:14 AM
If the loco seen at TINGS was indeed a first EP then it will not have included rivet detail etc which would as I understand it be added after that has been evaluated. So add in time for a rivet detail etc to be added to the tooling, then a second EP for evaluation

Does part of this evaluation include counting the rivets?

Seven thousand three hundred and two.

Seven thousand three hundred and three …

Ring! Ring! Ring! Ring!

Hello?

No, you’ve got the wrong number.

One.

Two

Dave G  :doh:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Roy L S on September 27, 2015, 10:56:06 AM
I guess I was just asking for that kind of response with hindsight!!
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: joe cassidy on September 28, 2015, 08:49:39 PM
When the Schools in malachite livery arrives will there be any coaches in malachite livery for it to haul ?

Do Dapol and Farish plan to supply their Maunsell/Bulleid coaches in malachite ?

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Karhedron on September 28, 2015, 09:53:19 PM
The Bulleid coaches as modelled by Farish entered service in crimson and cream so never wore malachite. The earlier versions that did wear malachite had different windows.

Dapol have said they will do other liveries for their Maunsells but have not specified which or when.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: joe cassidy on September 29, 2015, 11:43:32 AM
Thanks Matt.

Let's keep our fingers crossed.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on February 10, 2016, 06:01:31 PM
Surprisingly, perhaps, Dapol will be releasing a Schools in Maunsell Green. It's one of the later ones though, No 910. It was built too late for me, but I'll have to get it anyway.

If anyone gets No 902 Wellington in BR colours and wants to renumber to 910, I'll be more than happy to swap nameplates.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 10, 2016, 06:19:41 PM
This is all I can find on the Dapol pages

http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=179_298_300_494 (http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=179_298_300_494)

just 2 BR and 2 Mala*hite.

Listed as in "Decoration stage" presumably they mean in the paint shop
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Southernboy on February 10, 2016, 07:18:12 PM
Gaugemaster have the Maunsell green available to pre-order.

eHattons don't - (they're completely in the dark about it apparently) - but hope to soon and are considerably cheaper.

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 10, 2016, 07:40:44 PM
I thought only Osborns were getting a Maunsell green one special order.

Just searched Gaugemaster no mention of an N gauge Maunsell green Schools, do you have a link?
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Southernboy on February 10, 2016, 07:47:22 PM
I thought the same Mike until I saw the recent N Gauge Journal.

Here's the link (I hope it works)

http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=DA2S-002-004&style=main&strType=n&Mcode=Dapol+2S-002-004 (http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=DA2S-002-004&style=main&strType=n&Mcode=Dapol+2S-002-004)

or

http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=DA2S-002-004D&style=main&strType=n&Mcode=Dapol+2S-002-004D (http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=DA2S-002-004D&style=main&strType=n&Mcode=Dapol+2S-002-004D)

:)

I'll still get Cheltenham if / when it comes out from Osbornes...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 10, 2016, 08:17:47 PM
I've ordered 2 Cheltenhams from Osborns, should be easy enough to rename/renumber. I note Osborn's price is below Gaugemaster (why am I not surprised?) I've emailed Rails, see if they have any knowledge of a Maunsell green one.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on February 10, 2016, 09:25:35 PM
The eHattons offering was contained in their newsletter: http://www.ehattons.com/StockDetail.aspx?SID=177026&utm_source=NGaugeNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20160210 (http://www.ehattons.com/StockDetail.aspx?SID=177026&utm_source=NGaugeNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20160210)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 10, 2016, 09:58:46 PM
Thanks Pete, pre-ordered.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MinZaPint on February 11, 2016, 07:17:35 AM
The eHattons offering was contained in their newsletter: [url]http://www.ehattons.com/StockDetail.aspx?SID=177026&utm_source=NGaugeNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20160210[/url] ([url]http://www.ehattons.com/StockDetail.aspx?SID=177026&utm_source=NGaugeNewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20160210[/url])

I thought Osborn's had the Maunsell exclusive, I'll stick with them  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 11, 2016, 09:43:39 AM
Osborns is 925 Cheltenham, the Hattons and Gaugemaster are 910 Taylors.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on February 11, 2016, 09:52:27 AM
Both are too late for me, but the Hattons price is much more attractive. The first batch of 1930 had low cab windows and cut-outs which won't be reflected on 910 or 925, but if I can convert mine to 902, hopefully no one will ever notice that it has a high cab window and cut-out.

Oh, and the smoke deflectors will have to come off too (fitted 1932-33)...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Les1952 on February 15, 2016, 11:06:36 PM
I'll be looking for a BR liveried one for "Croft Spa" when built, as 30925 worked a special to Darlington.

Now, I wonder if the NGS do "Cheltenham" nameplates, or will I need an Osborn special to swap identities?

Les
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 21, 2016, 04:39:12 PM
I've just checked Dapol, Gaugemaster, Hattons and Rails, Dapol search returns "no product meets the search criteria", and that's entering their part number 2S-002-004, also tried -001, same response.

Hattons and Rails both show it as forthcoming and at £116 but as Malachite green not Maunsell, Gaugemaster list it as Maunsell as did NGS journal. I even emailed Rails last week to point out the livery listing error.

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Southernboy on February 21, 2016, 05:06:16 PM
I emailed Hattons over the listing error.

They said

"I am sorry to advise that we had made an error on our system which has now been amended on our website.

2S-002-004 is Maunsell green.

I apologise for the inconvenience caused."


The error on the website hasn't been amended though. I'll probably order it but back it up with an email stating what I am expecting to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on February 21, 2016, 07:53:33 PM
I've got an email somewhere that I'm pretty sure says that the Dapol website will show a null result on a new product search until the item is in their stock.

But there is this: http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=179_298_300_494 (http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=product/category&path=179_298_300_494)

HTH

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 21, 2016, 08:12:13 PM
nd that doesn't mention the Maunsell green one at all.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: mika on March 09, 2016, 09:45:12 AM
Just had a message from Liverpool saying that Repton will arrive with them April 2016.
Happy bunny, as I just ordered one yesterday. :claphappy: :claphappy: :claphappy:

Michael
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on March 09, 2016, 12:22:44 PM
Just had a message from Liverpool saying that Repton will arrive with them April 2016.
Happy bunny, as I just ordered one yesterday. :claphappy: :claphappy: :claphappy:

Michael
Similar message from ehattons.
 :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Zaphras on April 18, 2016, 08:02:13 PM
Just checked the Dapol web site Launches section and the Schools is showing as In Production with a delivery of June 2016.

Martin
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on April 18, 2016, 08:42:12 PM
Just goes to show what a load of  :poop: their one page ads in the NGS journal are :unimpressed:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: mika on May 13, 2016, 02:41:55 PM
Had a message from Liverpool saying that Repton will be with them in June.
We'll see... :hmmm:

Michael
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on May 13, 2016, 02:54:33 PM
I have also heard it will be June, along with the class 33s.
My poor wallet is shaking with fear :worried:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on June 01, 2016, 10:44:31 AM
so this arrived this morning:

(http://www.osbornsmodels.com/ekmps/shops/osbornsmodels/images/osborns-dapol-exclusive-sr-schools-4-4-0-cheltenham-lined-green-22677-p.jpg)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: mika on June 01, 2016, 10:53:08 AM
Very nice!
Is this a livery sample or a production model?

Michael
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on June 01, 2016, 11:06:09 AM
Very nice!
Is this a livery sample or a production model?

Michael

It is a production one, full packaging etc etc, but It was just this one on its own, normally some are flown over before release while the rest comes over on the boat. I will get some better pics up for you later and give it a test run
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Greybeema on June 01, 2016, 11:18:41 AM
Bugger! I feel a purchase coming on - get thee behind me Satan...

Have to be a Special though!!!
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on June 01, 2016, 04:21:45 PM
I think I've got an advance reservation in place for that one. I'll certainly be confirming that with an order.

Are the smoke deflectors removable? They're a little late for me.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Les1952 on June 01, 2016, 10:09:34 PM
Dapol Joel has said on Facebook that they are on the boat.....

Les
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Southernboy on June 01, 2016, 10:12:58 PM
Mine is on order :)
Along with a couple of the new issue Maunsell composites and brakes :)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on June 02, 2016, 01:29:58 AM
couple more pics

(http://www.osbornsmodels.com/ekmps/shops/osbornsmodels/resources/products/cheltenham4.jpg)

(http://www.osbornsmodels.com/ekmps/shops/osbornsmodels/images/osborns-dapol-exclusive-sr-schools-4-4-0-cheltenham-lined-green-[2]-22677-p.jpg)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: JRS747 on June 02, 2016, 02:55:46 AM
Lovely model, hope its runs is as well as it looks. Osborns' exclusive? They haven't even confirmed their price yet! Well done. Please report on its running qualities as soon as you can. I swore no more Dapol cardan drive but........ So tempting!

John
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bealman on June 02, 2016, 04:08:21 AM
That is a really nice looking locomotive.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: JRS747 on June 02, 2016, 05:55:22 AM
I've just noticed it has been FOUR years from the announcement to the shops. Real locos were developed much more quickly!

John
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on June 02, 2016, 10:30:18 AM
Hopefully going to get a chance to test run it later today, so will let you know how it goes, Silly question, can you post video on here?
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on June 02, 2016, 10:41:49 AM
Hopefully going to get a chance to test run it later today, so will let you know how it goes, Silly question, can you post video on here?

If you can't then at worst you can post a YouTube video here. Might be less problematical that way too.

I'm interested to know whether the smoke deflectors can be removed, and also the name plate. I'll need to remove the deflectors and rename and number the loco for my layout.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on June 02, 2016, 02:45:03 PM
Hopefully going to get a chance to test run it later today, so will let you know how it goes, Silly question, can you post video on here?

Others with more expertise may help but I understand the answer is NO but use YouTube and post the vid link here.

Looking forward to seeing the vid but even more to receiving my order!  :thumbsup:

HTH

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on June 02, 2016, 04:19:51 PM
If you don't want to use YouTube I find Dropbox is very easy to use and you just post a link into your post.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MinZaPint on June 02, 2016, 04:41:06 PM
Lovely looking loco, Michael tells me I registered my interest 1/08/13 and I recall NPN telling me not to get to excited about an imminent arrival! Now 4 years since it was announced!
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: port perran on June 03, 2016, 06:17:13 PM
Too many locos due at the moment - Schools, 64XX and Class 33.
Will try to resist .
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: talisman56 on June 04, 2016, 09:04:11 AM
Too many locos due at the moment - Schools, 64XX and Class 33.
Will try to resist .

"You cannot resist the Force..."  :)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Karhedron on June 04, 2016, 09:47:04 AM
Too many locos due at the moment - Schools, 64XX and Class 33.
Will try to resist .

"You cannot resist the Force..."  :)
It is your destiny, you know it to be true!  :D
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on June 04, 2016, 10:18:09 AM
And, of course, "Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated"

Starting to get the message, Martin? :D
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: port perran on June 04, 2016, 01:10:15 PM
I'm trying to resist.
You are all not helping ! :D
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on June 04, 2016, 02:34:41 PM
Go on! Go on! Go on!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w0ZyfkukUs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7w0ZyfkukUs)

You know you want to! >:D

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Les1952 on June 04, 2016, 05:54:01 PM
I'm just happy the NGS Schools nameplates haven't yet been sorted out.  No hurry, folks.

I want Cheltenham in black as it visited Darlington on a railtour (doubleheading a 2P).  However I can wait for a later issue (honest).

Les
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on June 05, 2016, 09:53:18 AM
I'm just happy the NGS Schools nameplates haven't yet been sorted out.  No hurry, folks.

Les

Do you know if the cab plate can be replaced?
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MinZaPint on June 05, 2016, 04:28:02 PM
It's always been one of my favourite locos and I can't wait for my Cheltenham from Osbornes  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: ToothFairy on June 07, 2016, 12:17:04 AM
I've sent a PM to MKP, but no response yet - I'm sure he's busy with testing! Still, what I want to know might be of interest to others: is Cheltenham available in analogue DC? Anyone know? (I can't see from the Osborns web site whether the advertised price is for DC or DCC, or even whether there's an option.)

- Michael
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on June 07, 2016, 05:41:13 AM
I've sent a PM to MKP, but no response yet - I'm sure he's busy with testing! Still, what I want to know might be of interest to others: is Cheltenham available in analogue DC? Anyone know? (I can't see from the Osborns web site whether the advertised price is for DC or DCC, or even whether there's an option.)

- Michael

I'm very much hoping and surprised if it wasn't DCC ready rather than DCC fitted as I'd have to cancel my order!

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on June 07, 2016, 10:45:17 AM
It is DCC ready:

(http://www.osbornsmodels.com/ekmps/shops/osbornsmodels/resources/products/cheltenhamdcc.jpg)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Les1952 on June 08, 2016, 10:26:14 PM
It is DCC ready:

([url]http://www.osbornsmodels.com/ekmps/shops/osbornsmodels/resources/products/cheltenhamdcc.jpg[/url])


It may be the angle but that looks as if it won't have much length available for the chip.

No big blue Bachmann beasties then- small Digitrax or TCS or a Lenz Silver Mini should be fine.  That is one less thing to worry about when I finally get round to buying one (Dapol open day, perhaps?).

Les
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on June 15, 2016, 09:23:46 AM
Expect loads of you already have the info but an email just in from Hattons reads:

We thought you may like to know that an item you have asked us to notify when it arrives into stock, has had some information about its release date added or updated.

Dapol 2S-002-003 Class V Schools 4-4-0 929 "Malvern" in Southern Railway malachite green £116.11

Our latest information from the supplier suggests this item will arrive with us on or after Thursday 30th June 2016

Whilst we are hopeful this information is accurate, manufacturer lead times are frequently prone to be delayed.


I'm hoping that the Osborn's Cheltenham is in the same shipment!

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on June 15, 2016, 09:35:08 AM
Just to confuse people, though, I've received a variation on that email:

We thought you may like to know that an item you have asked us to notify when it arrives into stock, has had some information about its release date added or updated.

Dapol 2S-002-004 Class V Schools 4-4-0 910 "Merchant Taylors" in Southern Railway olive green £116.11

Our latest information from the supplier suggests this item will arrive with us on or after Thursday 30th June 2016

Whilst we are hopeful this information is accurate, manufacturer lead times are frequently prone to be delayed.


The supplied link actually does lead to a page containing No 910 in Maunsell Green. The price is quite a bit lower than Osborn's for what is essentially the same thing. Hmm...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: ToothFairy on June 15, 2016, 11:27:54 AM

The supplied link actually does lead to a page containing No 910 in Maunsell Green. The price is quite a bit lower than Osborn's for what is essentially the same thing. Hmm...

Yebbut . . . the Osborn's price is for their special commission. Haven't yet seen their price for standard issue Schools.

- Michael
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on June 15, 2016, 01:19:05 PM
Yebbut . . . the Osborn's price is for their special commission. Haven't yet seen their price for standard issue Schools.

- Michael

Like quite a few people, I'm only interested in the Maunsell Green version.

The point of the special commission was that it would supply the Maunsell Green Schools that Dapol were not intending to produce themselves. And now apparently they are producing it themselves. I wonder if they told Osborns first.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on June 15, 2016, 02:07:26 PM
Yebbut . . . the Osborn's price is for their special commission. Haven't yet seen their price for standard issue Schools.

- Michael

Like quite a few people, I'm only interested in the Maunsell Green version.

The point of the special commission was that it would supply the Maunsell Green Schools that Dapol were not intending to produce themselves. And now apparently they are producing it themselves. I wonder if they told Osborns first.

My reason also for ordering the Osborn version.

Daft question perhaps but is the 'SR olive green' the same as Maunsell green?

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on June 15, 2016, 02:14:09 PM
My reason also for ordering the Osborn version.

Daft question perhaps but is the 'SR olive green' the same as Maunsell green?

Dave G

Yep, that's the green used for most of the Southern Railway period, up until the Second World War. The 'nice' green!
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on June 15, 2016, 05:09:26 PM
Some useless info about Cheltenham:

The 16th loco of the 2nd batch of Schools class to be made at Eastleigh works, to service July 1934, Southern No. 925

Cheltenham shed allocations:-

Fratton 1934    - working the Waterloo and Portsmouth direct line
Bournemouth 1937  - working the heavy Waterloo trains including the 108 minute non-stop run of the pre-war "Bournemouth Limited".
Dover 1945    
Bricklayers Arms 1951
Stewarts Lane 1961
Basingstoke 1961
Preserved (owned by the NRM)

Cheltenham was repainted in Malachite paint scheme in 1938 but was repainted back to Maunsell green in 1939, then finally repainted back to Malachite again in 1942 (a shortage of paint caused a delay in the repainting),  painted black in September 1945, December 1947 painted back to Malachite Green,

It covered 1,127,788 miles during its 28 year working life

currently on loan at Mid Hants Railway on loan form the National Railway Museum

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Southernboy on June 15, 2016, 09:25:07 PM
Yebbut . . . the Osborn's price is for their special commission. Haven't yet seen their price for standard issue Schools.

- Michael

Like quite a few people, I'm only interested in the Maunsell Green version.

The point of the special commission was that it would supply the Maunsell Green Schools that Dapol were not intending to produce themselves. And now apparently they are producing it themselves. I wonder if they told Osborns first.

Personal viewpoint of course: But I don't mind that both Dapol and Osborn are offering Schools (with different names) in Maunsell green.

It means I get two locos of the same class without the trouble of buying two of the same from one supplier, and then having to rename / renumber one of them.

:)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on June 16, 2016, 11:39:04 AM
Personal viewpoint of course: But I don't mind that both Dapol and Osborn are offering Schools (with different names) in Maunsell green.

It means I get two locos of the same class without the trouble of buying two of the same from one supplier, and then having to rename / renumber one of them.

:)

Jammy so-and-so :D  Anything above 909 is too late for me so I still need to renumber it, and hopefully find someone who is willing to swap nameplates.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Caz on June 17, 2016, 09:12:44 AM
I think we might see quite a few Schools in malachite being discounted by the retailers fairly soon after release as it is not a popular colour.  I for one, cancelled my order for a Malachite one and changed it to Taylors olive version despite it being a little more expensive than my pre-ordered malachite.   :)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Karhedron on June 17, 2016, 09:17:59 AM
Funny, I rather like Malachite. The Schools in this livery may not be helped by the fact that Dapol don't offer their Maunsells in Malachite livery to run with it.  :doh:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: JRS747 on June 18, 2016, 08:22:26 AM
I've just pre ordered Merchant Taylors (olive green) from Colletts. Leigh is price matching the big boys and offering free postage. Merchant Taylors isn't on his web site yet but drop him an email with a phone number and he will call you to take a 10% deposit.
Great service!

John
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on June 18, 2016, 10:49:22 AM
most places don't seem to have had the updated Dapol price list through, still showing RRP of the Schools at £136.60, new RRP is £142.06
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on June 18, 2016, 06:08:53 PM
most places don't seem to have had the updated Dapol price list through, still showing RRP of the Schools at £136.60, new RRP is £142.06

How will that affect our pre-orders with Osborn's, Michael? Mine, for instance goes back to Feb 2015.

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: ToothFairy on June 19, 2016, 02:22:14 AM
Osborns has always been careful - web site says "guide price" and is clear that the actual price is yet to be determined. And of course at this point there's only Cheltenham (or was, last time I looked). No doubt other sources might come in cheaper, but they won't have Cheltenham . . .

(I really want King's Wimbledon, but Dapol aren't making that  :( )

- Michael
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on June 21, 2016, 12:50:51 PM
most places don't seem to have had the updated Dapol price list through, still showing RRP of the Schools at £136.60, new RRP is £142.06

How will that affect our pre-orders with Osborn's, Michael? Mine, for instance goes back to Feb 2015.

Dave G

Hi Dave,

Shouldn't change yours.
The pricing thing has happened before where Dapol failed to tell retailers that there had been a price increase.

We may add in a small kit with our model, probably a signal box, any suggestions welcome. would need to be a wood built one, and southern region obviously
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: portland-docks on June 21, 2016, 05:03:03 PM
hi guys

please find below my review on the Dapol Schools which we had sent to us by Dapol.

This particular model is Repton.

also i hate how i sound on camera so forgive me if it sounds like garbage  :sorrysign:

please subscribe to us for more videos and reviews! we should have more pre-release reviews coming up over this year so subscribe to us for the first chance to see them running!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fRrv2xDCWs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fRrv2xDCWs)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on June 21, 2016, 05:36:44 PM
Thanks Michael, that's good news.

A SR signal box would be very nice, particularly if it's a platform type.

Thanks again.

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Southernboy on June 27, 2016, 08:43:14 PM
From the Dapol website :)

http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=blog/post&post_id=4 (http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=blog/post&post_id=4)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on June 27, 2016, 08:58:34 PM
From the Dapol website :)

[url]http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=blog/post&post_id=4[/url] ([url]http://dapol.co.uk/index.php?route=blog/post&post_id=4[/url])


 :claphappy:  :claphappy:   :claphappy:

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Southernboy on June 27, 2016, 09:08:26 PM
Yes, slightly exciting isn't it :)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on June 27, 2016, 09:44:20 PM
The late crest 'Repton' isn't listed :'(
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on June 27, 2016, 10:09:59 PM
Rails have -004 listed as Malachite and 004D as Olive, just hope that -004 is olive and Rails have a listing error, as I've got it pre-ordered.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on June 29, 2016, 11:33:03 AM
Quick pic of the free signal box with Cheltenham:

(http://www.osbornsmodels.com/ekmps/shops/osbornsmodels/resources/products/freekitbig.jpg)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on June 29, 2016, 11:45:27 AM
Just had Rails request Payment for Merchant Taylors in olive, so assume it's imminent.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bob G on June 29, 2016, 01:30:59 PM
Just had email from Rails - the two BR ones I've ordered are in the post.
This is going to be one of the most anticipated locos I've bought (except perhaps for the Cromptons to come) :claphappy:

Bob
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on June 29, 2016, 02:28:49 PM
Just had email from Rails - the two BR ones I've ordered are in the post.
This is going to be one of the most anticipated locos I've bought (except perhaps for the Cromptons to come) :claphappy:

Bob

Hyper-ventilating while (still) waiting to hear from Osborn's about my Cheltenham!  :'(

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on June 29, 2016, 03:42:33 PM
According to Rails the late crest ones aren't due for a few weeks so they must be on a separate boat :doh:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bob G on June 29, 2016, 05:31:02 PM
 :thankyousign:

Whoops I missed that.  :'(
Saw two pictures of the beasts on the despatch note and thought that was it.
Still the black one will be a start.

Bob
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Caz on June 29, 2016, 09:05:27 PM
Hatton's hit my card today for a Merchant Taylors in olive, yipee.   :claphappy:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: mika on June 29, 2016, 09:37:46 PM
According to Rails the late crest ones aren't due for a few weeks so they must be on a separate boat :doh:

 :'(
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: talisman56 on July 01, 2016, 11:29:15 AM
I'm keeping my wallet under lock and key at the moment as it keeps trying to run away. I have pre-orders in for both of the Olive Green versions...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bob G on July 01, 2016, 01:39:33 PM
Just received Shrewsbury in the post. Cant run it until this evening though, but it looks beautiful.
All the wheels including tender wheels are see through.
The deflectors are remarkably thin for plastic. Much more so than on the Britannia for example.

Lots of extra bits to add, including fire irons, spare traction tyres, spare universal shaft, spare valve gear rivets, front steps if the front bogie doesn't have to move, and alternative couplings.

I've had two universal couplings fail on other Dapol locos (Britannias) so can I ask for these to be in the spares pack too, or at least be readily available.

Now going away to look at my new model again  :drool:

Bob



Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: mika on July 01, 2016, 02:18:06 PM
You are so lucky!
Hopefully, she runs as good as she looks. Looking forward to your review  :D


Any news why only some versions are available yet (and the one I ordered isn't :'( )?

Cheers
Michael
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 02, 2016, 10:31:22 AM
Merchant Taylors just arrived from Rails, opened but not yet run, now have to find plates and renumber to one of the 10 that were on Bournemouth shed, (924-933) from 1937.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on July 02, 2016, 11:27:30 AM
Merchant Taylors just arrived from Rails, opened but not yet run, now have to find plates and renumber to one of the 10 that were on Bournemouth shed, (924-933) from 1937.


Are you doing the "Bournemouth Limited"?

(http://www.southernposters.co.uk/Famous%20trains/Resources/bournemouthlimit.jpeg)(http://lowres-picturecabinet.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/43/main/2/81315.jpg)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on July 02, 2016, 12:04:34 PM
Has Cheltenham arrived at Bideford yet, Michael?   ;)

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 02, 2016, 12:44:07 PM
Merchant Taylors just arrived from Rails, opened but not yet run, now have to find plates and renumber to one of the 10 that were on Bournemouth shed, (924-933) from 1937.


Are you doing the "Bournemouth Limited"?

([url]http://www.southernposters.co.uk/Famous%20trains/Resources/bournemouthlimit.jpeg[/url])([url]http://lowres-picturecabinet.com.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/43/main/2/81315.jpg[/url])


Quite possible, I believe it ran from 1929 to WW2 and became "Royal Wessex" in BR days, The poster you show probably dates from about 1938 when the dreadful Malachite was introduced. The Schools class actually transferred from Fratton shed to Bournemouth around 1937/8 when the Portsmouth line was electrified. Just at the end of my modelling period, Ah well rule 1 strikes again!
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on July 02, 2016, 01:54:34 PM
Has Cheltenham arrived at Bideford yet, Michael?   ;)

Dave G


Hi Dave,

Sadly not, still waiting to hear back when they will be arriving, has given me a chance to get the certificates and kits ready

(http://www.osbornsmodels.com/ekmps/shops/osbornsmodels/resources/products/freebiekitlaser.jpg)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 02, 2016, 03:36:11 PM
Doom and gloom, can't seem to find much in the way of N gauge nameplates for Schools class, Kings X do 900 and 901 but seem to do the whole class in 00.

Presumably as there have been no RTR Schools class up to now, nobody has bothered much, any suggestions?
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on July 02, 2016, 04:19:15 PM
Exetreme etchings aka shawplan would do them for you
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on July 02, 2016, 04:44:40 PM

Any news why only some versions are available yet (and the one I ordered isn't :'( )?

Cheers
Michael


News on the Dapol forum states 'Repton' and 'Malvern' have just arrived so will be with the dealers early next week. Anything else will be approx a week after that. @mika (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2874)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Southernboy on July 02, 2016, 05:11:06 PM
Gaugemaster expect delivery early next week :)

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Greybeema on July 02, 2016, 05:37:17 PM
I'm trying to resist.  North Kent line in the early 21st century doesn't need a Schools (Brighton 30915) and I don't have the stock... 

Get thee behind me Santa...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on July 02, 2016, 06:20:07 PM
I'm trying to resist.  North Kent line in the early 21st century doesn't need a Schools (Brighton 30915) and I don't have the stock... 

Get thee behind me Santa...

Ah, but what about a preserved special, GB?  >:D

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Greybeema on July 02, 2016, 06:49:15 PM
I'm trying to resist.  North Kent line in the early 21st century doesn't need a Schools (Brighton 30915) and I don't have the stock... 

Get thee behind me Santa...

Ah, but what about a preserved special, GB?  >:D

Dave G

With two 4CEPS a 1930's Brighton Belle and only one 465 Networker (which is the staple) the last thing I need is another special... 

It is nice though...  And I have wondered about moving to kettles... :laugh3:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on July 02, 2016, 08:07:05 PM

Get thee behind me Santa...

Now you have me wondering whether that's a typo or not :hmmm:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: talisman56 on July 02, 2016, 09:45:05 PM

Get thee behind me Santa...

Now you have me wondering whether that's a typo or not :hmmm:

It's definitely an anagram...  :D
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: PLD on July 02, 2016, 10:13:00 PM
News on the Dapol forum states 'Repton' and 'Malvern' have just arrived
I believe Repton is in current condition as preserved on the North Yorkshire Moor Railway... So for true authenticity, does it come in a boxed set with the Class 24 that is regularly needed to push it up Gothland Bank??  :D ;D :P
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on July 03, 2016, 10:17:27 AM
Doom and gloom, can't seem to find much in the way of N gauge nameplates for Schools class, Kings X do 900 and 901 but seem to do the whole class in 00.

Presumably as there have been no RTR Schools class up to now, nobody has bothered much, any suggestions?

I have the same quest, Mike. I need to renumber to one of the 1930 batch (901-909 - and yes, I know about the cab window difference, but I thought I'd head you off at the pass for once!). I'm hoping that someone will have Wellington in another colour scheme and prefer to have Merchant Taylors instead. A straight swap of nameplates will be much easier than sourcing new plates.

It'll be interesting to know what Shawplan charge for making up new nameplates though.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Zaphras on July 03, 2016, 02:00:07 PM
Hello

If, like me, you are chipping your Schools, just be aware that the drive shaft goes through a hole in the front of the tender and must, therefore, be pulled out before the tender body can be removed. All previous Dapol tender locos that I have had a slot and it took me a few curse-rich minutes wondering what was stopping the tender body coming off before I realised that this was different.
Incidentally, I used a CT Electronik DCX76z which fits fine.

Martin
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CirroCu on July 03, 2016, 02:03:11 PM
My analogue Merchant Taylors arrived yesterday and is run in on my rolling road. Seems to be quite wobbly but not as bad a the Q1. I don't like tender drives as they seem to surge.
Went to Gaugemaster (just round the corner) and got a decoder. To fit the decoder the instructions with the loco say "by pulling the tender's body shell, at the rear in an upwards, away from the tender chassis". It wont budge. :veryangry:
Has anybody else out there tried? Can anybody tell be what I'm doing wrong?
The instructions also say "For details on how and where to fit the accessory items and an exploded view of the model detailing specific components please refer to the technical section of our website www.dapol.co.uk (http://www.dapol.co.uk)" Nothing. No diagram and no accessory instructions.
Why didn't I wait for the DCC fitted? 'Cos I've waited five years and didn't want to wait any longer :worried:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Gyppy101 on July 04, 2016, 08:16:26 PM
Received "Shrewsbury" today and after running I'm very impressed.  One of the best Dapol locos I experience.  It's quiet and an amazing hauler, 10 coaches with total ease.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 04, 2016, 10:44:31 PM
How much interest would there be in getting alternative nameplates made?

I have Cheltenham on order and have already received Merchant Taylors, which I want to rename to any of the series 924 through 933 (except Cheltenham of course) those were shedded locally from about 1937 onwards.

Could we agree on 2 or 3 names different from the Dapol issue and look into having them made.

As for Pete33's suggestion of swapping plates, any offers of Repton or Malvern in exchange for Merchant Taylors?
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on July 05, 2016, 10:03:40 AM
How much interest would there be in getting alternative nameplates made?

Could we agree on 2 or 3 names different from the Dapol issue and look into having them made.

As for Pete33's suggestion of swapping plates, any offers of Repton or Malvern in exchange for Merchant Taylors?

Wellington for Merchant Taylors for me, but the idea of having nameplates made sounds good.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bob G on July 05, 2016, 07:09:55 PM
How about going onto the Dapol Digest and asking for additional runs of specific locos in specific liveries.
It won't cost anything to ask.
bob
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 05, 2016, 08:50:43 PM
How about going onto the Dapol Digest and asking for additional runs of specific locos in specific liveries.
It won't cost anything to ask.
bob

But how many years would it take for them to appear given the length of time we've already waited. Some of us ain't getting any younger.

I've been modelling N since 1974 and wanted a Schools and Maunsell coaches way back then - 42 years ago, I'm now 82, probably won't last another 42 years.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: port perran on July 05, 2016, 08:54:14 PM
I for one am waiting for a picture of someone's Schools class    :photospleasesign:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on July 05, 2016, 09:24:45 PM
If only I had an old school pic where the girls look very serious as the boys all attempt nasal gardening with forefinger buried up to the first knuckle :-X
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Ollie3440 on July 05, 2016, 09:57:28 PM
News on the Dapol forum states 'Repton' and 'Malvern' have just arrived
I believe Repton is in current condition as preserved on the North Yorkshire Moor Railway... So for true authenticity, does it come in a boxed set with the Class 24 that is regularly needed to push it up Gothland Bank??  :D ;D :P

She's is the livery that she last ran in. But as preserved she has a modified tender, the sides are higher I believe? Either way it just doesn't look right!

Cheers

Ollie
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: port perran on July 05, 2016, 09:58:16 PM
If only I had an old school pic where the girls look very serious as the boys all attempt nasal gardening with forefinger buried up to the first knuckle :-X
Very Good  :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on July 06, 2016, 10:38:43 AM
Had an e mail from Rails to say mine was despatched yesterday so I might get it today/tomorrow :bounce:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on July 06, 2016, 01:45:20 PM
Had an e mail from Rails to say mine was despatched yesterday so I might get it today/tomorrow :bounce:

 :envy: Still awaiting delivery update from MKP on the Cheltenham special.  :'(

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on July 06, 2016, 01:53:45 PM
Hi Dave,

Still waiting for definite confirmation, but fingers crossed by the end of next week
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: talisman56 on July 06, 2016, 06:24:20 PM
If only I had an old school pic where the girls look very serious as the boys all attempt nasal gardening with forefinger buried up to the first knuckle :-X

A couple of years ago, the local paper carried an article on the sports page regarding a local football team who had won a minor Cup competition, complete with team photo. In the photo, one of the players crouching at the front has his wedding tackle in full view down the leg of his shorts - and it was ready for action, so to speak...

There was a profuse apology in the following weeks' edition...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on July 07, 2016, 12:59:36 PM
First thing to say is 'BEWARE!'
There is a small packing piece of plastic between the footplate and the tender which, if not removed before running, will no doubt cause your loco to derail at the very first corner it encounters.
This is in the instructions but, hey, we're men and don't read them, right?
Hint - I just pushed mine out with a needle file.
The loco does not require an initial lubrication but I gave the motion a very light application of oil.
I was surprised by the very good slow running straight from the box. Speeding the loco up produced the 'normal' cardan shaft whine but hopefully this will quieten down with running in.
It certainly looks very pretty so here are a couple of pics.....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/264-070716125459.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/264-070716124418-4174673.jpeg)


Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: N-Gauge-US on July 07, 2016, 03:05:08 PM
First thing to say is 'BEWARE!'
There is a small packing piece of plastic between the footplate and the tender which, if not removed before running, will no doubt cause your loco to derail at the very first corner it encounters.
This is in the instructions but, hey, we're men and don't read them, right?
Hint - I just pushed mine out with a needle file.
The loco does not require an initial lubrication but I gave the motion a very light application of oil.
I was surprised by the very good slow running straight from the box. Speeding the loco up produced the 'normal' cardan shaft whine but hopefully this will quieten down with running in.
It certainly looks very pretty so here are a couple of pics.....

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/264-070716125459.jpeg[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/264-070716124418-4174673.jpeg[/url])


Beautiful! Thanks for the photos and for the tip Mick!
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Southernboy on July 07, 2016, 07:18:10 PM
Mine has arrived :) It is exquisite.

Only thing I noticed is the number on the tender: The '9' of 910 is twice as weighty as the '10', so '910'. Just an observation really, I'm more than happy with it and will be running it in at the weekend.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: d-a-n on July 08, 2016, 03:06:38 PM
Oredered mine from Rails with free postage and received Repton this morning. Rear buffer had fallen off but I've tacky waxed it in place. Good running out of the box, although my track needs a clean! I noticed the bar thing in the cab mentioned in the instructions so no problems there. Wondering if a crew would disguise the cardan shaft? Can't wait for my 3 Maunsell rake (Brake 3rd, Comp, brake 3rd) from Hattons to arrive to park behind it!

I've put this awful quality video up, mainly because my dad loves to see the gubbins spinning about. It's shot on my iPhone which does slo-mo video and I didn't realise on the tiny screen how poor the quality is!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q7r7amuYAU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Q7r7amuYAU)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: doug22150 on July 10, 2016, 10:48:26 AM
Having been through three unsatisfactory Dapol Q1s, I wasn't going to buy the Schools but Repton looked so good that I couldn't resist.  Despite removing packing, mine derailed going forwards across turnouts with the bogey jamming the motion - had to reverse to free it off.  However, after half an hour running in backwards, the problem cured itself and forward running is now o.k.. Slow running much better than the Q1s that I experienced but still not quite as good as my Farish steam locos..  Looking promising, though and I'm now very tempted by Shrewsbury!
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: rmille on July 16, 2016, 03:02:02 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4025-160716145634.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42006)
Bought Dapol Schools Merchant Taylor and was so impressed I bought Repton immediately afterwards. What a disaster....derailing on points and tender derailments on points too. Brilliant  people at Hattons replaced it very quickly but the replacement locks up the front bogie on Peco Radius 1 curves - it is a complete disaster. Wrote to Dapol but zero response. Think I will have to get my money back - what a disappontment.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: doug22150 on July 16, 2016, 03:30:52 PM
Is it just Repton that you had the problem with? After I made my previous post, I had a further derailment which bent the connecting rid, return crank rod and expansion link on the r.h. side. I raised this on the Dapol Digest website and had an immediate and helpful response from "Andy Dapol".  I did subsequently buy a Shrewsbury and had no problems at all with it - even running fast over track where Repton derailed.  My min. radius is 300mm.  I noticed on my Repton that the valve gear was lower on the r.h. side, which is where the jamming happens.  On Shrewsbury, the valve gear is level on both sides.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on July 16, 2016, 03:33:19 PM

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/4025-160716145634.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42006[/url])
Bought Dapol Schools Merchant Taylor and was so impressed I bought Repton immediately afterwards. What a disaster....derailing on points and tender derailments on points too. Brilliant  people at Hattons replaced it very quickly but the replacement locks up the front bogie on Peco Radius 1 curves - it is a complete disaster. Wrote to Dapol but zero response. Think I will have to get my money back - what a disappontment.


There's an ongoing thread on the Dapol Digest about this very problem. You are not alone:
https://digest.dapol.co.uk/forum/schools/project-managers-blog-ad/463-n-schools-opening-post/page4 (https://digest.dapol.co.uk/forum/schools/project-managers-blog-ad/463-n-schools-opening-post/page4)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: silly moo on July 16, 2016, 05:31:50 PM
To rmillie :  I don't think they are designed to run on 1st radius curves, sometimes you can get away with it but most steam locos with bogies made by Farish and  Dapol are designed for 2nd radius curves.

 :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: rmille on July 16, 2016, 05:51:40 PM
I tried the tip from a previous log of running it backward for a while and eventually after a couple of hours it started to do the job. Slowly at first on Fleischmann radius 2 and then a bit quicker. I later made it run backwards on Fleischmann radiuse curves (tighter than Peco radius 1) and with a little TLC and patience it started to run OK. I then tried it forwards and it looks like the problem is solved. Looks like a solution to me. Interesting whwt you noticed about the different valvegear on Shrewsbury. Still have not heard from Dapol....but it is the weekend I suppose, so we will see.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: doug22150 on July 16, 2016, 06:24:47 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5323-160716181949.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42013)

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Interesting that rmille's pictures of the jammed bogie also show it jammed on the r.h. (fireman's) side.  Here are some pictures of both sides of my Repton.  Although th edifference is slight the r.h. valve gear is definitely lower, which may make it more prone to jam-up if there is a derailment. Note that the Union Link and Combination Lever are in a straight line, which alos suggests that the valve gear is too low on this side relative to the cylinders/valve chest.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: talisman56 on July 16, 2016, 08:36:43 PM
I tried the tip from a previous log of running it backward for a while and eventually after a couple of hours it started to do the job. Slowly at first on Fleischmann radius 2 and then a bit quicker. I later made it run backwards on Fleischmann radiuse curves (tighter than Peco radius 1) and with a little TLC and patience it started to run OK. I then tried it forwards and it looks like the problem is solved. Looks like a solution to me. Interesting whwt you noticed about the different valvegear on Shrewsbury. Still have not heard from Dapol....but it is the weekend I suppose, so we will see.

They were all at the NGauge Society AGM & Exhibition today, to give it until Monday when they're back in the office...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Hailstone on July 16, 2016, 10:38:32 PM
I tried the tip from a previous log of running it backward for a while and eventually after a couple of hours it started to do the job. Slowly at first on Fleischmann radius 2 and then a bit quicker. I later made it run backwards on Fleischmann radiuse curves (tighter than Peco radius 1) and with a little TLC and patience it started to run OK. I then tried it forwards and it looks like the problem is solved. Looks like a solution to me. Interesting whwt you noticed about the different valvegear on Shrewsbury. Still have not heard from Dapol....but it is the weekend I suppose, so we will see.

They were all at the NGauge Society AGM & Exhibition today, to give it until Monday when they're back in the office...

Don't forget that on the real thing that the top of the combination lever also moves ( this is what gives the fixed lead steam sequence just before the piston reaches its full stroke)

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 17, 2016, 08:22:40 AM
Just run in my Repton on my test layout which has 9 inch radius curves and points. It will only run in one direction forward and backwards over those 9 inch points and derails in the other direction. Jammed up once after derailing but with, fortunately, no damage as reported elsewhere. After a couple of hours running in it will still derail if its running in the wrong direction but doesn't jam up.
My main layout has minimum radius 2 curves and minimum 12 inch radius points so should have no problem there.
All in all a very nice model - much quieter and smoother than all the other Dapol cardan shaft driven models I have.
 :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: talisman56 on July 17, 2016, 10:57:31 AM
Just run in my Repton on my test layout which has 9 inch radius curves and points. It will only run in one direction forward and backwards over those 9 inch points and derails in the other direction. Jammed up once after derailing but with, fortunately, no damage as reported elsewhere. After a couple of hours running in it will still derail if its running in the wrong direction but doesn't jam up.
My main layout has minimum radius 2 curves and minimum 12 inch radius points so should have no problem there.
All in all a very nice model - much quieter and smoother than all the other Dapol cardan shaft driven models I have.
 :beers:

Good to know, Bob - I was going to wait until Tuesday to run-in my 'Merchant Taylors' on the Club test-track, but I may probably try my R1 curve test track later on - it has setrack points on it but the main line only uses the straight route...

 :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on July 19, 2016, 12:26:10 PM
'CHELTENHAM'  has finally arrived
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on July 19, 2016, 12:58:36 PM
'CHELTENHAM'  has finally arrived

 :claphappy:   :claphappy:   :claphappy:

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: talisman56 on July 19, 2016, 01:18:17 PM
'CHELTENHAM'  has finally arrived

...and my wallet has disappeared!  ;D
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on July 19, 2016, 05:54:30 PM
I've tested and sent back the failed Dapol experiment in N Gauge engineering, and won't be ordering a replacement. As a static model it looked lovely. As a working loco it stank. Far too fragile and prone to error. I wonder if it's worth ripping out the Dapol crap from under the bodywork and replacing it with a decent motor...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bob G on July 19, 2016, 06:25:27 PM
Do please be careful about what you say on this forum. It is usually a tolerant place but written abuse should not be considered normal behaviour. There are other places like Twitter where this sort of lambasting has regrettably become the norm, and it is entirely inappropriate behaviour from anyone, whether they like the model they have or not, to use abuse towards an individual, a manufacturer or any other entity.

There has been detailed discussion on the Dapol Digest on this matter and the fact is that many people are entirely happy with their models. They are fine scale and designed for second radius curves. Andy at Dapol has written the following on the Dapol digest:

The thread is here: https://digest.dapol.co.uk/forum/schools/project-managers-blog-ad/463-n-schools-opening-post

Our models are designed and tested to run optimally on an average layout, however certain restrictions must apply. This model (and all other Locomotive models with tender) produced by Dapol and other manufacturers are not intended for use on curves of less than R2 - 263.5mm (10 3/8in). The assumption is made that track is correctly laid on a firm, level baseboard and that all rail joints are snug and no gaps exist between rail sections. Operating your model on tighter radii or on substandard track has a greater likelihood of poor running or derailment which may lead to damage. Care in running and reasonable speed control is always needed with any model. Worthy of note is that Peco set-track points are R1 228mm (9in) therefore low speeds should be maintained it you choose to operate your model over this type of turnout.

 This model has proven during testing that it is extremely resistant to derailing, however if incorrectly railed, or potentially, after a derailment, there is a possibility that under some circumstances the rearmost wheel may jam against the crosshead. We recommend that if the model derails it is examined before re-railing for this type of issue. Continued operation with the bogie jammed in this position will result in damage to the valve gear. If you discover this type of Jam or lock-up has occurred, then DO NOT attempt to manually move the bogie or valve gear, you will run the risk of causing damage. Instead, remove the bogie retaining screw (There is a spring underneath the bogie, take care not to allow it to escape) and lift the bogie away. This will remove the jam without causing further damage. After examining the valve gear for any bends, re-attach the bogie to the chassis.


I think that is quite a reasonable response from Dapol, and if I was a manufacturer who volunteered to have an open forum to discuss its own products, I would expect decent behaviour and engagement with the firm, and not verbal abuse on their own website. I know Andy has had to cut some abusive posts on the same subject. For goodness sake be reasonable. And if you sent it back, because it did not meet your needs or requirements, surely that is the end of the matter. The only way you can achieve progress is through constructive engagement with the manufacturers.

I would hate to be a manufacturer if all I got was abuse from my customers.

Bob

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 19, 2016, 06:26:43 PM
I've tested and sent back the failed Dapol experiment in N Gauge engineering, and won't be ordering a replacement. As a static model it looked lovely. As a working loco it stank. Far too fragile and prone to error. I wonder if it's worth ripping out the Dapol crap from under the bodywork and replacing it with a decent motor...
Aren't you being a bit harsh about this poor little loco.. :'( Please let us know what was fragile and the 'errors' you had. My Repton is fine. Best Dapol cardan shaft loco I have..
 :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: silly moo on July 19, 2016, 07:22:03 PM
I have found that recent Farish locos seem to be a bit more fragile too, I have in the past given stalled locos a bit a of a gentle push to get them going again. I will be very careful in future after the running gear of my class N locked up after a couple of pushes. Luckily I managed to sort it out and get it running again.

What you may be able to do to an old Farish or Minitrix loco is not advisable with the newer ones so Dapol's advice is valid.

I wouldn't like to be a manufacturer as you have no control over the conditions in which your product is used, poor trackwork, dirty track, bad baseboards and the wrong controller can cause problems and some people are very rough with things generally.

Time will tell if the loco is fit for purpose.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on July 19, 2016, 08:53:02 PM
Do please be careful about what you say on this forum...

How about minding your own business, Bob? If any forum isn't free enough to allow criticism of a poor product then it doesn't deserve to exist - or it should exist only in China or North Korea. My opinion of the product is that it is poor, and I have stated that opinion honestly and openly. I won't reverse that opinion just because you said so. You're free to do make any criticism or heap praise upon a product yourself, as you like, but you're not free to criticise me for voicing my opinion. I'll welcome any attempt to continue this' discussion' in private if you like, but you really should let it rest here.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Tank on July 19, 2016, 09:21:10 PM
Guys, let's calm down.  You're both welcome to your opinions, but let's tone it done please.
Title: Dapol Schools
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 19, 2016, 09:29:32 PM
If you have more than 1 Schools vote for each one.

Minor problem option is something which you can easily fix or live with.

We mainly want numbers, you can include brief details if you want to comment.

Please vote if you have 1 or more Schools so we get a better idea of the percentages
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bob G on July 19, 2016, 10:02:55 PM
This is a failing forum if you allow abuse to reign.
I cannot be bothered to take part.
Goodbye all.
Bob
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 19, 2016, 10:08:25 PM
This is a failing forum if you allow abuse to reign.
I cannot be bothered to take part.
Goodbye all.
Bob
Bob it's hot and things may seem different tomorrow - sleep on it!!
 :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bob G on July 19, 2016, 10:38:14 PM
Dear AustinBob

Sorry but there is far too much self-importance and self-indulgence here.

One reason why I've stopped any thought of progressing a class B tank model myself.
I was even prepared to fund it all, avoiding crowd funding. Just because I wanted a rake or two, and was prepared to be generous toward my fellow hobbyists.
But some of the comments I have received from some who feel only their views are valid, and the vile rhetoric of others who just want to use this forum as a place to let off steam in an unregulated place just makes me feel sick, quite honestly.

Its a hobby. The fun has gone. Its like Twitter. raise your head above the parapet and have it bitten off.
I just want to hide and regain the pleasure of the hobby.

I found the Dapol digest, on the other hand, a breath of fresh air. A manufacturer engaging with their customers in the spirit of openness to help them improve their models, and also their relationship with their customer base. It was working so well until some idiots decided to use it to take pops at the company.
Absolutely disgusting behaviour. And our moderators here condone the same behaviour when it is repeated here. So that is why I have had enough.
I could not bear to see anyone describe any of my attempts to model in N gauge in the same fashion that we appear to have tolerated comments posted about our manufacturers recently.

Thank you for your understanding.
Bob

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 19, 2016, 10:46:26 PM
Sorry you feel this way Bob. I must say I don't recognise your description of this forum and it has always, to my mind, been open and friendly in the most part with an occasional hiccup.
Anyway, only you know how you feel about the forum but I do hope you reconsider.
All the best..
 :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: talisman56 on July 19, 2016, 11:05:02 PM
My new Schools 910 'Merchant Taylors'' got a good run-in on the club test-track, and then a run-out with set 470, reduced to 3 coaches for the occasion...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/2626-190716224254.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/2626-190716224341.jpeg)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Elvinley on July 20, 2016, 12:07:40 AM
I really hope this thread doesn't get locked due to individual arguments as it is very valuable indeed to hear about what people are experiencing with their models. I was interested in the Schools loco but I know with my own collection of Dapol locos that the valve gear and con rods are very delicate indeed and are made from easily bendable material. The way the valve gear falls in line with the bogie wheel during a derailment is causing genuine problems with some people's locos. The loco has to have plenty of power to pull a decent train and if the motion is caught on something, then something has to give. On locos such as the A3 and A4 there is no possibility of this occuring due to the bogie never going anywhere near the motion even in a derailment situation.

When things like this occur on expensive models we are understandably upset and want to vent that on a place like this. I have been there myself in the past. I tend to buy a lot less N gauge locos these days. There are genuine concerns with the quality and design of British N gauge locos and we need to give the manufacturers feedback on their products so things can improve. Thankfully, there are some moves in the right direction and we do have some very good quality steam these days even though it is still a hit and miss affair to get the best runners.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: port perran on July 20, 2016, 07:57:33 AM
Thanks to Elvinley for putting things into perspective.
Hopefully, we can get this thread back on track.
Personally, I was intending to buy a schools because I like them (even though it would be a Rule 1 engine for me) but I have put it on hold for a while at least. My N Mogul is a great performer and looks superb but I am concerned with how delicate the whole thing is and I do worry that one derailment could cause real problems. The thought of spending over £100 on a similar locomotive (Schools) that needs to be handled with kid gloves is a bit daunting - especially with other locos such as the ne GF 64XX and the new Standard 4 and Class 33 due at any time.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Snowwolflair on July 20, 2016, 08:53:56 AM
I have a Schools and I am very happy with it.

I have mentioned it before elsewhere, I find sometimes that although Dapol locos are well designed they are not always assembled correctly.  the photos of the dropped valve gear is classic.

The important thing is that when they are put together correctly they are good reliable if fragile models.

One other comment on the Schools.  I have already noticed that it lends itself to bad handling as you have to be careful not to press the valve gear in when picking it up.  On this model that is going to lead to disaster.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bealman on July 20, 2016, 09:19:29 AM
I find the comments of self indulgence and self importance to be offensive.

Nothing could be farther from the truth. The moderating team bend over backwards to be fair and solve disputes.

Have a good day.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 20, 2016, 10:07:32 AM
After running in my Repton for a couple of hours I am very happy with its performance. Quiet (for a cardan shaft driven model), very smooth running and good slow speed performance.
Reading about the problems with derailing and valve gear jamming I was careful to check at slow speed whether it would negotiate tight curves before running in on my test track.
That's one of the real advantages of a forum like this _ you get feedback on potential problems and can take precautions.
Very tempted to get another Schools but with the Farish panniers due soon, it will have to wait.
 :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Snowwolflair on July 20, 2016, 10:11:11 AM
After running in my Repton for a couple of hours I am very happy with its performance. Quiet (for a cardan shaft driven model), very smooth running and good slow speed performance.
Reading about the problems with derailing and valve gear jamming I was careful to check at slow speed whether it would negotiate tight curves before running in on my test track.
That's one of the real advantages of a forum like this _ you get feedback on potential problems and can take precautions.
Very tempted to get another Schools but with the Farish panniers due soon, it will have to wait.
 :beers:

I think I will get another as well, but I'm working on the basis that the complainers here are going to sell theirs and I will pick one of them up cheap on eBay  :D
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 20, 2016, 10:13:56 AM
After running in my Repton for a couple of hours I am very happy with its performance. Quiet (for a cardan shaft driven model), very smooth running and good slow speed performance.
Reading about the problems with derailing and valve gear jamming I was careful to check at slow speed whether it would negotiate tight curves before running in on my test track.
That's one of the real advantages of a forum like this _ you get feedback on potential problems and can take precautions.
Very tempted to get another Schools but with the Farish panniers due soon, it will have to wait.
 :beers:
Now there's a thought... :)
I think I will get another as well, but I'm working on the basis that the complainers here are going to sell theirs and I will pick one of them up cheap on eBay  :D
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 20, 2016, 10:39:22 AM
I've started a Poll for the Schools to get some idea of just what sort of percentage have problems compared to good ones.

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=33992.msg393846#msg393846 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=33992.msg393846#msg393846)

So far 6 good, 0 problems, the more votes we get should give a better idea of how they stand. It seems we always hear more about the dodgy ones than the good 'uns.

Moderator Comment The poll has now been merged with this thread so the link no longer works
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Karhedron on July 20, 2016, 10:41:59 AM
Good idea. For every complaint there are usually 10 quiet satisfied customers.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 20, 2016, 10:42:57 AM
It seems we always hear more about the dodgy ones than the good 'uns.
I think it's just in peoples' natures that they expect stuff to be usually good and complain if it isn't. I do it all the time I'm afraid!! But then some gripes are worth complaining about - that's my story and I'm sticking to it!!  :) :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Snowwolflair on July 20, 2016, 10:46:54 AM
I'm forming the opinion that the Schools may suffer a post-manufacture handling problem, where the valve gear is being distorted by handling causing all the problems.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 20, 2016, 10:53:04 AM
I'm forming the opinion that thew Schools may suffer a post-manufacture handling problem, where the valve gear is being distorted by handling causing all the problems.
I think that applies to a lot of N gauge steam locos. I remember the first N gauge loco I bought, after being used to handling EM and O gauge locos, suffered damage due to my 10 thumbs bending something important - soon learnt the lesson!!  :-[
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Snowwolflair on July 20, 2016, 10:54:25 AM
I'm forming the opinion that thew Schools may suffer a post-manufacture handling problem, where the valve gear is being distorted by handling causing all the problems.
I think that applies to a lot of N gauge steam locos. I remember the first N gauge loco I bought, after being used to handling EM and O gauge locos, suffered damage due to my 10 thumbs bending something important - soon learnt the lesson!!  :-[

Post handling can also be the packaging pressing on the valve gear and bad handling of the box in transit.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 20, 2016, 11:45:11 AM
Poll now 10 good still 0 problems!
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MinZaPint on July 20, 2016, 11:48:55 AM
This has always been my favorite loco, I'm sure I mentioned that back in 2011 when I joined the forum, I now have 2 which I am very pleased with  :thumbsup: I think that if we want this level of detail we have to accept that they will require careful handling!
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: silly moo on July 20, 2016, 12:20:07 PM
A couple of points, I don't want one of these locos but if I had wanted one I wouldn't have pre-ordered one because I'm rather wary of Dapol's quality control, I usually wait for feedback from forums and reviews. I would however pre-order a Farish loco.

Dapol can't really win, if they'd beefed up the valve gear we would have all been moaning about how over scale it looked but I'm surprised that they didn't come across the bogie jamming problem at the design and testing stage. I wonder how they test new locos, if their test track has perfectly laid track then they might not pick up problems. Not all of their customers will have layouts with perfect track.

If they haven't done this then I think that they should amend the instructions that come with the loco to include the method for extricating the jammed bogie and to stress that the loco should be handled with great care and is only suitable for 2nd radius curves.

I know that real men don't read instructions but it might help a bit  :D

 :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on July 20, 2016, 01:03:28 PM
In fairness to Dapol the instructions with the Schools state:

"UNPACKING & HANDLING YOUR LOCOMOTIVE

Your model contains delicate precision parts. When removing your model from its case, use the 'ears' found at each end of the inner plastic clamshell, or remove the model along with its foam packaging. when removing from the clamshell or foam, always do so above a soft surface to prevent damage if dropped. Always lift the locomotive and tender as a single unit. Please, take special care not to grip or crush the delicate steam valve gear and motion parts fitted to the locomotive wheels whilst handling."
Title: Re: Dapol Schools
Post by: Bob G on July 20, 2016, 01:32:09 PM
Mike
I have two and no problems, except of my own doing.
Cannot make your poll count go up by that extra vote, however.
Bob
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 20, 2016, 02:24:56 PM
Looks like the poll has been merged with this thread, the link I posted above now comes up with an error.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Gyppy101 on July 20, 2016, 03:08:18 PM
I, initially, received "Shrewsbury" and on my test track the bogie jammed on radius 1 curves.  Not to be deterred I ran the loco on my layout, nothing less than 10.5 inch curves, and found no problems.   Now bought "Repton" and it, too, runs faultlessly on my layout.  Two excellent models!  I am very pleased with both purchases.  This has to be one of Dapol's best, provided you follow the instructions!http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/Smileys/NGF/claphappy.gif
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: d-a-n on July 20, 2016, 03:37:19 PM
My Repton is a fine runner but it won't negotiate the curve leading to my turntable (which is slightly bigger radius than the 'trainset curves' you get in a Farish train set) I've just been popping the bogie back out when it binds but now I read that this may lead to further problems... I'll not run it around that section until I've straightened it out! I've had lock up on a few other sections but I've not really paid attention to where these are. I'll keep yous updated.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: silly moo on July 20, 2016, 04:29:44 PM
Here is an update from Dapol c/o RMweb and Dapol's website:

"Pre and Post production testing has shown that the issue is not that the model derails without reason. Overall, this model is probably the best I personally have used at staying on the rails.
However derailments are inevitable, more so on tighter curves. This particular model can be a little tricky to seat the pony on the track correctly (been there, done that!),.
With the Schools a larger than usual proportion of our customers are stating that they operate on R1 curves; it's been an unwritten and poorly publicised 'fact' that models are designed for R2 curves, this is being corrected (see post above). All future models (locos & rolling stock) will have minimum recommended radius printed on the label (see example below).
Remember just because the recommended radius is R2 doesn't mean it will not run on R1, but it does mean compromises may need to be made regarding running speed and general care (track cleaning etc.) I have very successfully run the Schools on R1 track at maximum speed (also around a passing loop formed from two R1 Peco setrack points) The coaches couldn't stay on due to centrifugal force and toppled, but the loco ran like a champ. However, I do not Recommend running on R1 or at full speed!

The issue is that if the model derails and more especially derails at speed, or is run with the front bogie off the track then the possibility of valve gear damage may exist.
In short, it seems that maximum speed derailments may cause an issue (testing 1 of 12 forced high speed derailments caused a problem, and 1 of 20 'incorrect operation' tests [moving off with front bogie not sitting on the rails] caused a problem - in all but continued, forced operation no mechanical damage occurred). Of course this experiment would vary, dependent on the track condition. Our test track is best described as below average - purposefully!

Rather than debating 'fault' we have offered those few customers who have reported this problem replacements and, despite the small proportion of reports we are actively working on options to improve.
We have identified a couple of options and are testing these to ensure that there are no side effects. This process will take a short while. In the meantime there are many satisfied owners and (as with any detailed scale model) it should be handled, operated and run in keeping with consideration to the its being a detailed scale model"
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Pengi on July 20, 2016, 05:16:27 PM
Looks like the poll has been merged with this thread, the link I posted above now comes up with an error.

Yes the poll has been merged and that is probably why the link comes up with an error ;). I have added a note to your message about the link - hope this is ok
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 20, 2016, 05:26:34 PM
Looks like the poll has been merged with this thread, the link I posted above now comes up with an error.

Yes the poll has been merged and that is probably why the link comes up with an error ;). I have added a note to your message about the link - hope this is ok

Thankee ma'am!   I see it's now at the top of a page.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bob G on July 20, 2016, 05:45:33 PM
Good to see so many satisfied customers.
And the Dapol response has been exemplary.
Bob

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Snowwolflair on July 20, 2016, 05:48:30 PM
Next new release maybe we should put the poll up first  8)

Guess it will be the Farish 64xx
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bob G on July 20, 2016, 06:18:18 PM
That's a cracking idea.
Bob
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 20, 2016, 06:21:51 PM
That's a cracking idea.
Bob
Nice to see you're still with us Bob
 :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bob G on July 20, 2016, 06:32:31 PM
Bob

Actually I am here because the poll has really helped to put the complaints into perspective.
All I wanted to see was some objectivity.

DorsetMike did a brilliant thing there.
And there are more good people here than not.  :beers:

Best
Bob
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on July 20, 2016, 09:17:20 PM
Next new release maybe we should put the poll up first  8)

Guess it will be the Farish 65xx

A Farish 65xx? Am I in dense mode as I can only think you mean the Dapol class 33 which might just follow the Farish 64xx PT into the shops?
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Snowwolflair on July 20, 2016, 09:24:25 PM
Next new release maybe we should put the poll up first  8)

Guess it will be the Farish 64xx

A Farish 65xx? Am I in dense mode as I can only think you mean the Dapol class 33 which might just follow the Farish 64xx PT into the shops?

Balance is always necessary, the 33 can follow after the 65xx.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Elvinley on July 20, 2016, 10:11:00 PM

Dapol can't really win, if they'd beefed up the valve gear we would have all been moaning about how over scale it looked

I find Farish valve gear much stronger and (apart from one or two parts) looks just as good. Also I have a Bachmann USA Light Mountain loco with very fine valve gear which puts Farish and Dapol to shame but it isn't paper thin and seems pretty strong.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bob G on July 20, 2016, 10:20:44 PM
Are you suggesting the Dapol 33 might not be as reliable (or as boring) as their 27?
(you don't have an emoticon for tongue in cheek - perhaps we might commission one?)

Both need performance votes and their own web sites perhaps? At least their own pages on here.

Of course as I have eight 33s on order, for renumbering and weathering, they had better be good!!!!!!!!

Oh and what is a 65xx? is it 8x better than a 57xx? (sarcasm emoticon)

Bob
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Elvinley on July 20, 2016, 11:23:11 PM
Here are some photos for comparison of valve gear used on Bachmann and Dapol locos:

This is a Bachmann Light Mountain:

(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8787/28361412391_fc994fc737.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/KdcDNP)Bachmann Light Mountain valve gear (https://flic.kr/p/KdcDNP) by Elvinley N Gauge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/75564485@N08/), on Flickr

This is a Dapol A3. You can see some bending to the valve gear on this loco.

(https://c8.staticflickr.com/9/8817/28439962615_f2415c01bb.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Kk9f42)Dapol A3 valve gear. (https://flic.kr/p/Kk9f42) by Elvinley N Gauge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/75564485@N08/), on Flickr

A view of the Light Mountain shows how fine the valve gear is and I don't think the extra width of the metal parts has added any extra overall width to the model when viewed from the underneath on the top photo.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7595/28439962545_900a07ca29.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Kk9f2P)Bachmann Light Mountain valve gear (https://flic.kr/p/Kk9f2P) by Elvinley N Gauge (https://www.flickr.com/photos/75564485@N08/), on Flickr

Bear in mind that the Light Mountain loco has wheels around the size of a WD.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Hailstone on July 21, 2016, 10:04:39 AM
A bit of an unfair comparison, that - considering that American coupling rods were made much larger, especially as they also used roller bearings instead of white metal ones.

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Elvinley on July 21, 2016, 10:51:24 AM
A bit of an unfair comparison, that - considering that American coupling rods were made much larger, especially as they also used roller bearings instead of white metal ones.

Regards,

Alex

I don't see how this makes any difference. I am just showing what is achievable in n gauge. The prototype has no bearing on this. I am showing that having a thicker gauge metal is possible. This sort of gauge is used on Farish too but Farish still looks bulkier than it could do.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Hailstone on July 21, 2016, 11:08:45 AM
I agree about the thickness of the valve gear up to a point, but the thicker you make it, the more clearance you will require, and remember the British loading gauge is a lot smaller than the European and American ones and can make the loco look too wide, the 08 being a case in point - a lovely model, but quite a few people have found it too wide for their current platform clearances - I remember having to change mine when the Dapol 9F first came out for the same reason!
as for the Schools, I have 2 waiting for me when I return from holiday - can't wait to try them out.

Regards,

Alex

 
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: red_death on July 21, 2016, 11:15:03 AM
Elvinley's photos demonstrate the different compromises manufacturers make - look at the wheels on that American loco: awful solid wheels with a very obvious flange missing on the 3rd wheel, traction tyres etc

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on July 21, 2016, 11:16:19 AM
I have given a few 'Cheltenhams' a run this morning using kato R2 track (282mm radius) the only thing I can see is that the front bogie may have been over tightened slightly in the factory, there should be a bit of play on the bogie, if tight I would probably give it a quarter turn to loosen it and you may avoid any running issues,
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Elvinley on July 21, 2016, 11:48:00 AM
Elvinley's photos demonstrate the different compromises manufacturers make - look at the wheels on that American loco: awful solid wheels with a very obvious flange missing on the 3rd wheel, traction tyres etc

Cheers, Mike

Flangeless centre like the prototype. Pulls anything and runs like a dream - smooth and quiet.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Elvinley on July 21, 2016, 11:49:43 AM
I have done a bit more research into this. On the Farish Fairburn the valve gear is thinner than on the Farish Ivatt. In every way the valve gear is finer on this loco and the thickness isn't far off the Dapol thickness but the metal is harder and less prone to bending. Maybe thickness isn't the real problem as much as hardness?

To save posting here - see the comparison shots here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/75564485@N08/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/75564485@N08/)

Another point: The price for the Schools seems high in comparison to a Farish equivalent. The Schools is £142.07 and a Farish N Class is £124.95
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 21, 2016, 12:01:28 PM
My Cheltenham is now in the post.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on July 21, 2016, 12:34:38 PM
My Cheltenham is now in the post.

Likewise and Michael kindly gave it a test run before it got packed. See his note above re checking the front bogie before running yours.

Dave G

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: talisman56 on July 21, 2016, 01:58:22 PM
Elvinley's photos demonstrate the different compromises manufacturers make - look at the wheels on that American loco: awful solid wheels with a very obvious flange missing on the 3rd wheel, traction tyres etc

Cheers, Mike

The American 10-wheeler has the same arrangement as the BR Standard 9 2-10-0 - the centre wheels were flangeless to enable it to go round curves...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: d-a-n on July 21, 2016, 03:54:50 PM
I am using the 315mm / 12 3/8" radius curves from the M1 set for my main loop and some 282mm radius on the inner passing loop and I had my Repton randomly derailing more and more often on both sections. I tightened the front bogie's screw up to the point where it had resistance and no more. Seems to have cured Repton so far although it still won't negotiate reversing out through the sharp single 216mm radius turn from the turntable which all my other locos will.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 21, 2016, 04:46:39 PM
I am using the 315mm / 12 3/8" radius curves from the M1 set for my main loop and some 282mm radius on the inner passing loop and I had my Repton randomly derailing more and more often on both sections. I tightened the front bogie's screw up to the point where it had resistance and no more. Seems to have cured Repton so far although it still won't negotiate reversing out through the sharp single 216mm radius turn from the turntable which all my other locos will.
216mm is 8.5 inches which is below the minimum recommended by Dapol. So I guess you might be lucky enough to get an example which will do a smaller radius but can't complain if it doesn't. Why not get another Schools and have each pointing in a different direction. Then you won't need the turntable....
 :) :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: keithfre on July 21, 2016, 04:52:03 PM
it still won't negotiate reversing out through the sharp single 216mm radius turn from the turntable which all my other locos will.
Wasn't the whole point of a turntable to avoid having to drive locos in reverse?  ;)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 21, 2016, 05:07:23 PM
it still won't negotiate reversing out through the sharp single 216mm radius turn from the turntable which all my other locos will.
Wasn't the whole point of a turntable to avoid having to drive locos in reverse?  ;)
Good point - wish I was as cleverer as you is!!
 :D
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: d-a-n on July 21, 2016, 05:51:06 PM
216mm is 8.5 inches which is below the minimum recommended by Dapol. So I guess you might be lucky enough to get an example which will do a smaller radius but can't complain if it doesn't. Why not get another Schools and have each pointing in a different direction. Then you won't need the turntable....
 :) :beers:

Agreed, I'm just going to have to alter the track plan a bit! Still, it's useful information for someone who's layout uses this Kato track.

As much as I want a Maunsell green 910 or 925, I don't think the wallet will allow another Schools with the proper olive Maunsell carriages! :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: d-a-n on July 21, 2016, 05:55:03 PM
it still won't negotiate reversing out through the sharp single 216mm radius turn from the turntable which all my other locos will.
Wasn't the whole point of a turntable to avoid having to drive locos in reverse?  ;)

It gives me somewhere to park up all my locos, but they need to be a particular way round for the layout to work as planned!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7vpto7CDzY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7vpto7CDzY)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 22, 2016, 11:23:49 AM
Cheltenham arrived, placed on test track, not as good as 910, doesn't like Kato R2 track but 910 runs well on it.

I think one of the problems with the front bogie may be that it is centrally pivoted unlike most other locos I have where the front bogie is mounted on a short bar from the front of the main chassis. The M7 is the only other loco I have on which the bogie pivots on a central point.

I'll give it some more running in time however, see how it goes.

Just tried to add a vote for the new loco to the poll, no option to do so.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Only Me on July 22, 2016, 11:43:54 AM
Added another option to the Vote at Mikes request, if you have more than one schools and its good bad or ugly you can now cast two votes

Cheers Paul
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 22, 2016, 12:19:28 PM
It's still not allowing me to add a second vote, the result for a second good loco is showing but not accessible to vote, would I be right in thinking that it is available for a vote when first voting but not after?
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Snowwolflair on July 22, 2016, 12:22:11 PM
The poll system is a lockout, one vote per member and then you cannot make a second.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Only Me on July 22, 2016, 12:38:42 PM
@Dorsetmike (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2855)  @Snowwolflair (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3761) try clicking the remove vote button at the top chaps and then resubmit if you wish, you and anyone else now has two votes but i believe you must first remove the original vote to revote if you catch my drift :)

Paul
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 22, 2016, 12:43:22 PM
That seems to work. Just have to hope no-one has more than one bad 'un. I've now voted 1 good one minor prob.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: ODRAILS on July 22, 2016, 09:20:15 PM
eBay seller "lazycat9lives" is selling Dapol Schools (Shrewsbury, Repton  Malvern) at £115 post free - cheaper than Hattons and  Rails...........................................
FYI - no connection with seller etc.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Elvinley on July 22, 2016, 09:55:24 PM
But will they still have a guarantee? Pretty important with N gauge steam locos :)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Mr Sprue on July 23, 2016, 09:45:53 PM
Hmm I wonder where he's sourcing his stock?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: gc4946 on July 23, 2016, 09:59:43 PM
I hope Dapol includes provision in their tooling to represent those locos fitted with the larger Lemaitre chimney.
My preference, 30920 Rugby is one of those fitted with that style of chimney
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PHOTO-SR-MAUNSELL-SCHOOLS-4-4-0-LOCO-30920-RUGBY-/191922564033?hash=item2caf79ebc1 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PHOTO-SR-MAUNSELL-SCHOOLS-4-4-0-LOCO-30920-RUGBY-/191922564033?hash=item2caf79ebc1)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on July 23, 2016, 10:35:09 PM
Not had the chance to run mine yet but it does look the business!

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Gyppy101 on July 24, 2016, 09:50:24 AM
My "Shrewsbury" certainly has a larger chimney than my "Repton".
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: gc4946 on July 24, 2016, 10:09:04 AM
Just looked at the image on Rails' website, 30921 Shrewsbury indeed has the larger chimney. :sorrysign:

30900-01/07/09/13-15/17-21/24/29-31/33-34/37-39 all had the larger chimney fitted during 1937/38
source: http://www.railuk.info/steam/getsteamclass.php?item=V (http://www.railuk.info/steam/getsteamclass.php?item=V)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: gc4946 on July 24, 2016, 08:46:24 PM
I'm now seriously considering buying 30921 Shrewsbury eventually changing its identity to Rugby once nameplates are available, but will first ask a shop to see a sample running.
(BTW Rugby Road bordered my old secondary school)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 27, 2016, 01:30:55 PM
Just ordered St Lawrence 30934 in malachite green British railways - from Dapol collectors club. £100 inc post. Collectors' club offer. Hope it's as good as my Repton.
 :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: silly moo on July 28, 2016, 07:19:02 AM
I've just downloaded the latest Model Rail magazine which contains a review of the Dapol Schools, they mention that their sample had loose crank pins which caused a jam in the valve gear. That is something worth checking on your own models.

Both Hornby Magazine and Model Rail have reviews of Farish and Dapol's new N gauge offerings.

 :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 28, 2016, 11:12:43 AM
Just ordered St Lawrence 30934 in malachite green British railways - from Dapol collectors club. £100 inc post. Collectors' club offer. Hope it's as good as my Repton.
 :beers:

St Lawrence arrived today (less than 24 hours since order - my!!! things have changed at Dapol!!). Runs very quietly, even quieter than Repton, but with a slight wobble - not really a problem. Unfortunately it is less willing to negotiate the tight curves on my test track so running in will have to wait until main layout is fully wired. Picture below....

St Lawrence on Test layout

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/2403-280716111127.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42390)

 :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Hailstone on July 29, 2016, 03:24:39 PM
My two arrived this morning, and after 2 hours of careful running in, I can report that they look absolutely wonderful, and run as good as they look

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1193-290716144846.jpeg)

30921 Shrewsbury - ran almost perfect straight from the box

30926 Repton - a slight stiff spot at very slow running (say 5 - 10 mph) which has eased out considerably with 2 hours running. also a slight wobble running in reverse, but you have to concentrate to see it, to be honest I have had Farish locos do worse.
as the main lines on my layout use a minimum of 12inch radius curves and medium radius points, I have had no problems with running or derailments in either direction.
I do have A tighter curve, but the set track point that controls it is in the process of being replaced with one of the new curved set track points, and so will try them both here after the track is relayed (before I lifted this point 9F's, WD's, Manors, Halls and Granges all went through it ok).

As for preparation before running in I would personally recommend that all of the motion pins are oiled, along with a bit through the holes in the keeper plate that give access to the gears. I believe that whether Dapol or Farish, treating a steam loco like the real thing pays dividends and also keep my fingers away from the valve gear when handling them. I have seen far too many people pick locos up in this way and I am convinced that it leads to damage.
Similarly, propelling locos with traction tyres down re railing ramps is a big mistake, this will also lead to problems.

Hope this helps

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on July 29, 2016, 04:51:48 PM
Hope everybody is voting, surely there are more than 24 members with 26 locos?
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 29, 2016, 04:56:04 PM
Hope everybody is voting, surely there are more than 24 members with 26 locos?
Just put my 2nd in the poll Mike...
 :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: JRS747 on July 29, 2016, 05:00:48 PM
I get home end at the end of next week so I haven't seen mine yet. Don't forget a lot of people are on holiday at this time of year.  John
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 29, 2016, 05:11:21 PM
I get home end at the end of next week so I haven't seen mine yet. Don't forget a lot of people are on holiday at this time of year.  John
Holidays??? Can't afford a couple of Schools and holidays...
 :)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 30, 2016, 05:26:20 PM
Just ordered St Lawrence 30934 in malachite green British railways - from Dapol collectors club. £100 inc post. Collectors' club offer. Hope it's as good as my Repton.
 :beers:

St Lawrence arrived today (less than 24 hours since order - my!!! things have changed at Dapol!!). Runs very quietly, even quieter than Repton, but with a slight wobble - not really a problem. Unfortunately it is less willing to negotiate the tight curves on my test track so running in will have to wait until main layout is fully wired. Picture below....

St Lawrence on Test layout

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/2403-280716111127.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42390[/url])

 :beers:

Can anyone tell me whether the livery on this Schools is genuine. I.e. British Railways  on tender with Maunsell Green?
 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: JRS747 on July 30, 2016, 05:49:43 PM
The Farish Merchant Navy New Zealand Line has the same. It seems a logical intermediate step after nationalisation pending a full repaint. John
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on July 30, 2016, 06:18:28 PM
According to the gospel of wiki:

Post-1948 (nationalisation)

Initial livery after nationalisation in 1948 was modified Southern Railway malachite green and sunshine yellow with 'British Railways' on the tender, and the Southern numbering system was temporarily retained with an "S" prefix, e.g. S900.[25] Following this the locomotives were repainted British Railways mixed traffic lined black and given the power classification 5P, as only the larger passenger locos were painted green. This choice of livery proved an unpopular decision considering the locomotives' duties,[23] and they were subsequently outshopped in British Railways brunswick green livery with orange and black lining as they became due for overhaul.[26] By this stage the class had been renumbered under standard British Railways procedure, from 30900 to 30939.[27]

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: PLD on July 30, 2016, 06:20:03 PM
Finally got to handle one of these and see it in action...

Fit and finish of parts look to be the best yet steamer from Dapol, and this particular example (Shrewsbury) was a decent runner straight out of the box walking away with 6 bogie coaches with no slipping.

The design of the front bogie is interesting - the mounting is much closer to how the prototypes are mounted than the usual 'model railway' mounting and while it easily navigated the 15" minimum radius on the layout is was trialled on, I can see why some have had problems on tighter set track curves. On well laid track of a sensible radius (12" +) it ought to be less prone to derailment than the usual model railway mounting...

The valve gear does have a more delicate look and feel than many other N gauge models - if looked after and handled properly, this shouldn't be a problem but I wont be surprised to see a fair number of cases of USER INFLICTED damage - remember this is not a child's toy it is intended as a scale model for adults who are assumed to have a modicum of common sense.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 30, 2016, 07:33:41 PM
The Schools will run fine on radius 2 - which is the minimum they recommend. If it didn't do radius 2 it would go back to Dapol as being out of spec.
No need to go to 12 or 15 inch minimum - but nice if you have the space to do this.
 :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: JRS747 on July 31, 2016, 07:02:34 AM
There is a new Shrewsbury on EBay for £105 ono inc p&p, private seller.
John
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on July 31, 2016, 08:18:32 AM
There is a new Shrewsbury on EBay for £105 ono inc p&p, private seller.
John
Must be something wrong with it???
 :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: JRS747 on July 31, 2016, 09:51:23 AM
There is a new Shrewsbury on EBay for £105 ono inc p&p, private seller.
John
Must be something wrong with it???
 :beers:

He says it's an unwanted gift
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: silly moo on July 31, 2016, 11:57:31 AM
That's what they all say  ;)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: JRS747 on July 31, 2016, 12:26:02 PM
Under the latest EBay / PayPal rules the buyer can claim a refund anytime in the 6 months after purchase and there is no obligation to return the goods. PayPal make the refund immediately. So not much risk for buyers.
John
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on July 31, 2016, 07:10:47 PM
Hope everybody is voting, surely there are more than 24 members with 26 locos?

Not had the chance to take it out of the box yet but it looks brilliant and Osborns kindly tested before shipping!

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Hailstone on August 01, 2016, 01:29:18 AM
I have now tested the Schools through on of the new set track points the results are posted on this thread in the forum:  http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=19060.msg395854#new (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=19060.msg395854#new)

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on August 03, 2016, 04:48:56 PM
I've just been playing about with Wordart to see if I can get anything looking like a Schools nameplate; I can get curved text, but getting it clear enough to read is not quite good enough yet; reducing it to the necessary size results in a blurred and pixellated image. I'll have another go later after having a think about alternative approaches.

Looking at the nameplates on 910 and 925 the names are barely legible, I know my eyes ain't that good, but some letters are readable but others getting marginal.

One thought, were all the nameplates the same length, or would  Stowe be on a shorter pate than Merchant Taylors?

Has anybody yet managed to find etched plates for Schools?
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: MKP on August 03, 2016, 05:21:50 PM
I could have a go at some if you like, here is an N Gauge devon belle headboard that I have done :

(http://www.osbornsmodels.com/ekmps/shops/osbornsmodels/images/osborns-models-n-scale-laser-etch-loco-detail-pack-devon-belle-35712-p.jpg)

It would of course be the wrong way round it should really have the letters raised from the background
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bob G on August 03, 2016, 05:23:07 PM
Hi Mike

This is me (age 12 3/4) climbing into the cab of Stowe at Eastleigh Open Day in 1973. I had curly hair then  :)

As you can see the nameplate is quite short.

Hope this helps.

Bob


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/1517-030816172158.bmp) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42491)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on August 03, 2016, 06:38:34 PM
I'm trying to be a cheapskate and print on paper label stock! I've got a few more ideas to try. I think I need to start with a much smaller font in Wordart and try and figure a way to get a tighter curve.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: PLD on August 03, 2016, 06:51:06 PM
I'm trying to be a cheapskate and print on paper label stock! I've got a few more ideas to try. I think I need to start with a much smaller font in Wordart and try and figure a way to get a tighter curve.
Try going the other way... Design in whatever computer package you're using at a larger size/using a larger font (16 or 32 times final size is probably best - for some reason multiples of 4 give best results) and use the printer settings to scale to suit as you print. - This usually gets clearer results.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: silly moo on August 03, 2016, 08:13:11 PM
The image you produce needs to be a vector image, which scales down without losing quality. Often laser printers print better than inkjet printers. The paper is important, if you can get matt photographic paper designed for computer printers that usually gives good results.

The best model railway signs I have made were done on a colour laser printer using matt photo quality paper designed for that particular printer.

I wish we still had that printer, it was really good.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dorsetmike on August 03, 2016, 09:32:16 PM
I use an OKI colour laser and printing to A4 labels; I usually do my scaling in photo editing software, I'll try exporting from Wordart in a few different formats see which reduces best, also try a higher DPI.

I put a Schools in the scanner and scanned it so I have a fairly accurate nameplate to compare to.

I've printed coach sides OK, running numbers, Southern Railway and door text, Guard, Third, First etc are all legible on those
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Snowwolflair on August 13, 2016, 12:32:40 AM
This is one of the nicest models in N to be produced yet.  Here it is with sound.

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: msr on August 13, 2016, 07:47:25 AM
Which sound project did you use, with what decoder, and how did you fit it?  Do both the decoder and the speaker fit in the tender above the motor?
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Snowwolflair on August 13, 2016, 11:10:18 AM
I used an MX648R with the YouChoos sound scheme, along with a modified mini sugar cube.

The decoder is stripped of the unnecessary plastic sleeve and unused wires, and the four power wires are re-soldered so they point inward not outwards.  the speaker has the entire sound box replaced with a flat piece of plastic card.  There is still a cavity formed by the depth of the sticky foam grommet.

The loco tender is stripped of all wires, the DCC socket and its mounting.  this allows the decoder to lie big capacitors up and to the back, sloping on the edge of the motor.  You also trim the motor corner to gain a few mm.

You then solder up the speaker and wrap it in kynar tape and then tape it to the decoder so they form one module.  This should now fit very snugly and a small slot in the coal allows the extra 2.5mm of height required.  This hole can be filled later with tape glue and fake coal.

My advice is don't copy me unless you absolutely know what you are doing as there is no room for error its such a tight fit.  :)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: JRS747 on August 13, 2016, 06:08:12 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5054-130816180650.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42930)

I finally got my Merchant Taylors yesterday. Checked it out today: disaster; the front pony truck was fitted so one trailing wheel overlapped and jammed the connecting rods and valve gear on the right side. After removing the pony truck and refitting it clear of the rods I found the loco would only turn half a wheel revolution in either direction, I assume that the incorrect fitting of the pony truck has distorted the connecting rods. In fact the left side rods which weren't fouled are even more distorted than the right side.

John   :'(
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: silly moo on August 13, 2016, 06:18:25 PM
I think the shop might have sent you a returned loco by mistake, if you look closely at the wheels it looks as though it has already been run quite a bit.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on August 13, 2016, 06:19:36 PM
Sorry to hear that John, looks like you're one of the unlucky ones.
Best thing is to send it back for replacement.
From your description of the fault.it looks like someone has already tried to run it and jammed up after a derailment.
 :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: JRS747 on August 13, 2016, 06:35:01 PM
I think the shop might have sent you a returned loco by mistake, if you look closely at the wheels it looks as though it has already been run quite a bit.

I see what you mean. Its going back anyway.
I might just ask for a refund, the valve gear looks so complicated and fragile that I have no confidence in it lasting. Its a shame as I really like the model.

John
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: austinbob on August 13, 2016, 06:42:36 PM
I think the shop might have sent you a returned loco by mistake, if you look closely at the wheels it looks as though it has already been run quite a bit.

I see what you mean. Its going back anyway.
I might just ask for a refund, the valve gear looks so complicated and fragile that I have no confidence in it lasting. Its a shame as I really like the model.

John
I hope you stick with it John. I've got two Schools and they are both great models that run well.
 :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Snowwolflair on August 13, 2016, 06:54:45 PM
We have been running six schools at out club running day.  Check the back to back gauge on the bogie wheels and also try adjusting the bogie fixing screw.  Also look for distorted valve gear either resulting from damage or handling where the valve gear is too far in.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: PLD on August 13, 2016, 09:20:28 PM

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/5054-130816180650.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42930[/url])

I finally got my Merchant Taylors yesterday. Checked it out today: disaster; the front pony truck was fitted so one trailing wheel overlapped and jammed the connecting rods and valve gear on the right side. After removing the pony truck and refitting it clear of the rods I found the loco would only turn half a wheel revolution in either direction, I assume that the incorrect fitting of the pony truck has distorted the connecting rods. In fact the left side rods which weren't fouled are even more distorted than the right side.

John   :'(

I think the shop might have sent you a returned loco by mistake, if you look closely at the wheels it looks as though it has already been run quite a bit.

Agree with Silly Moo - that loco is very clearly not 'Factory Fresh' - It shows signs that it has done a considerable amount of running and sufficient wear to say it can't be classified as 'new'...

It may be that the retailer has "recycled" a previously returned item as suggested, or alternatively this has been their demo sample and it has run up and down their test track many times and probably in and out of its box a number of times. Either way it is a bit naughty of them to sell it as 'new'. I would be interested to know who the retailer is (PM if you don't want to name on forum) - this is not the first case of similar sharp practice so would be interested to see if it is the same name again...

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bealman on August 14, 2016, 12:00:16 AM
Yep, that is definitely not a new loco. Disgraceful.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: silly moo on August 14, 2016, 07:24:28 AM
I do think the shop could have made a mistake, especially if they have a few members of staff, it could have got moved from the 'return to Dapol' pile back into stock. The photo is a good illustration of what can go wrong if you aren't careful with this loco.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bealman on August 14, 2016, 07:36:43 AM
Even if it is a genuine mistake, it's still not good. I'm sorry, but with the cost of these models these days, there should be more vigilance.

Just the way I see it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: JRS747 on August 14, 2016, 12:07:13 PM
The retailer is a small model shop, no staff, a one man band. The owner is very helpful and conscientious. I think that the rogue could have come from Dapol rather than the retailer.

John
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bealman on August 14, 2016, 12:16:46 PM
Ok, I'm sure the person is genuine and someone who is obviously dedicated to this hobby,

If you are going into it to make a living, though, you need to keep a careful eye on things.

I'm not trying to stir. :beers:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: JRS747 on August 15, 2016, 06:29:37 PM
I think the shop might have sent you a returned loco by mistake, if you look closely at the wheels it looks as though it has already been run quite a bit.

I see what you mean. Its going back anyway.
I might just ask for a refund, the valve gear looks so complicated and fragile that I have no confidence in it lasting. Its a shame as I really like the model.

John
I hope you stick with it John. I've got two Schools and they are both great models that run well.
 :beers:

I'm asking for a refund. The spirits of the track have spoken: three returns this week out of three new locos. I can take a hint!
John
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Snowwolflair on August 15, 2016, 06:33:41 PM
I'm looking forward to buying all these duff Schools at TINGS very cheap, they are very easy to fix.    8)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Caz on August 16, 2016, 10:07:16 AM

I'm asking for a refund. The spirits of the track have spoken: three returns this week out of three new locos. I can take a hint!
John

If you've had 3 out of 3 duds then I'd respectfully suggest to check either you track laying or your handling of the delicate locos. 

The only loco I've recently had a running problem with was the Schools which jammed its motion after half a dozen circuits.  Unjammed it and tried again and the same thing happened. On very very close examination of my layout discovered one of the rails wasn't properly in its fishplate so the track had a little step between rails making the bogie jump a little.  All my other locos hadn't complained so I had never spotted it before.  Lesson learnt.   ;)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Agrippa on August 16, 2016, 10:25:02 AM
That loco looked quite nice and I  quite fancied one, but with the
various problems I'll hang back a bit till the dust has settled.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: JRS747 on August 16, 2016, 12:11:03 PM

I'm asking for a refund. The spirits of the track have spoken: three returns this week out of three new locos. I can take a hint!
John

If you've had 3 out of 3 duds then I'd respectfully suggest to check either you track laying or your handling of the delicate locos. 

The only loco I've recently had a running problem with was the Schools which jammed its motion after half a dozen circuits.  Unjammed it and tried again and the same thing happened. On very very close examination of my layout discovered one of the rails wasn't properly in its fishplate so the track had a little step between rails making the bogie jump a little.  All my other locos hadn't complained so I had never spotted it before.  Lesson learnt.   ;)

None of them made it to the track, nothing to do with my hands either. The Schools was rogered before delivery (see photos and text), the next (Farish J39) d.o.a. and the third a Dapol GW pannier had a faulty decoder socket.

My track is good and my hands small and delicate (for a guy).
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Elvinley on August 16, 2016, 01:51:38 PM
Bad enough having 3 duff locos without it being suggested it's your fault.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on August 16, 2016, 02:01:14 PM
If all 3 locos came from the same source I would start to doubt them, though :uneasy:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: JRS747 on August 16, 2016, 02:09:18 PM

Three different sources: one from an eBay private seller; one from a small model shop; one from a large well known Cheshire store.

John
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Hailstone on August 16, 2016, 03:32:05 PM
I attended my clubs monthly afternoon running session (Berkshire area group NGS) on Saturday and a few members were trying their Schools out on our modular layout - some of us had problems, including myself and investigating the derailment point I noticed that with a slight bump in the track where 2 modules joined caused the bogie to derail. loosening the pivot screw helped this, so at home I took a close look at the loco on flat straight track and gently raised the front buffer beam (with the pivot screw tightened) and discovered that the bogie wheels lifted immediately there being no float at all. In my view, there should be at least 1mm of float in the bogie, so that the wheels remain positively against the rail head even if the leading loco driving wheels are above them to take care of uneven track (the real ones also do this) to prove my theory, I made a 0.75mm washer and placed it between the bogie pivot and the pivot screw and tightened it. the loco then negotiated a made up "bump" in the track which my unaltered one derailed on.
I have also posted this on the Dapol digest, and asked them to test my theory.

Alex
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on August 20, 2016, 02:34:16 PM
Having sorted a stupid electrics problem on the layout, I can now test my 'Cheltenham' received a while back.

Michael gave it a test before leaving Osborn's and adjusted the bogies so I'm hopeful all will be well. He did post a tip on this a couple of weeks ago.

I shall be very careful as to how I handle the beastie.

Dave G

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: doug22150 on August 20, 2016, 03:21:23 PM
I think that's a pity.  I've just received my replacement Repton and like the Shrewsbury that I already have it runs like a dream.  A superb loco and excellent service from Dapol.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Snowwolflair on August 20, 2016, 03:28:42 PM
I have now looked at twelve Schools and its clearly an "adjust to work" problem with the front bogie.

Most models these days snap fit and work without adjustment and that's good design.  Where you need adjustment, its poorly thought out design not the manufacturers problem who cannot be expected to fiddle around adjusting every bogie.

This is the second time around for Dapol, their 9F's got a redesigned front bogie after a few months.

Watch this space
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: silly moo on August 20, 2016, 04:32:24 PM
I've just downloaded the latest Railway Modeller and was very disappointed with their 'review' basically a history of the class and a press release. Do they even test things, I wonder? I'm very pleased I don't have to rely on their reviews to make buying decisions.

Thank heavens for model railway forums like this one.

If I did want to buy a Schools class loco, I would probably still get one despite the very delicate nature of the beast but at least I would be forwarned of the potential snags.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Snowwolflair on August 20, 2016, 04:36:27 PM
I've just downloaded the latest Railway Modeller and was very disappointed with their 'review' basically a history of the class and a press release. Do they even test things, I wonder? I'm very pleased I don't have to rely on their reviews to make buying decisions.

Thank heavens for model railway forums like this one.

If I did want to buy a Schools class loco, I would probably still get one despite the very delicate nature of the beast but at least I would be forwarned of the potential snags.

Almost certainly the review model will have been tested and adjusted before the reviewer got their hands on it.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Elvinley on August 20, 2016, 04:45:00 PM
Sometimes reviewers do get duff locos. See the Model Rail review of the Schools. Still scored it higher than the Farish Pannier though
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on August 21, 2016, 04:41:21 PM
Got to test Cheltenham and happy to report no derailing despite numerous points to negotiate.

It appears to need a fair amount of running in as it is currently a little 'lumpy' going forwards but somewhat smoothly running tender first.

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Newportnobby on August 21, 2016, 08:19:36 PM
That's good to hear, Dave, and I hope the forward motion improves to your satisfaction.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: ToothFairy on September 22, 2016, 11:44:16 PM
Very happy to report that my two Schools - Cheltenham and Malvern - have finally been run in, and they have turned up trumps. Delighted with both.  :)

I've long had a soft spot for the Schools locos; they were a brilliant solution to an awkward problem. The models completely come up to my expectations.

- Michael
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: rusticged on October 05, 2016, 08:19:44 PM
 :thumbsup:
Hi Gents
Happy to report that my 'Repton' is running really well. A couple of bogie derailments to begin with, but no problem after I loosened the bogie screw slightly. I am delighted with it - a great loco!
Cheers,
Ged.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: joe cassidy on November 08, 2018, 12:50:32 PM
Has anyone attached the front steps to a Schools ?

If yes, does it still go round 30 cm curves ?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: joe cassidy on November 09, 2018, 06:23:17 PM
I just ran in my Malvern for half an hour going forwards. The bogie derailed at the first curve but after loosening the retaining screw it was non-stop until the 30 minutes were up.

Thanks to earlier posters on this thread for the tip.

I then tried running backwards but the loco didn't like some of my points/rail joints on curves. Not a problem as it will only run in reverse when it backs onto a train on a straight.

I must confess I really like the malachite green livery - makes my GWR/LNER locos look dull.

One final point, the tender was quite warm after half an hour running.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Leon on November 10, 2018, 01:07:35 AM
I bought a Malvern a few months past and need some coaches. Any comments on Dapol Pack of three Maunsell coaches - Set 394 - brake third, compartment third and compartment third in SR olive green? I can't really comment on the locomotive as my layout is under construction and I've not a chance to run it very much. When I tested it, it ran alright, but a little noisy.

Leon
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on November 10, 2018, 07:55:49 AM
The green Maunsell coaches are really very nice. Good details and will look good behind your Schools.

Dave G
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: talisman56 on November 10, 2018, 04:53:13 PM
I bought a Malvern a few months past and need some coaches. Any comments on Dapol Pack of three Maunsell coaches - Set 394 - brake third, compartment third and compartment third in SR olive green? I can't really comment on the locomotive as my layout is under construction and I've not a chance to run it very much. When I tested it, it ran alright, but a little noisy.

Leon

A assume you're reading the Hattons description. The set 394 in Southern Olive Green comprises two 4-compartment 3rd Brakes and a compartment composite, and as Dave G says, will go very nicely with a matching livery Schools.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: grahame on December 01, 2018, 01:33:08 PM
I just got the Schools "Wellington" from Hattons, love it so far!

This is a huge thread..any one got info on how to fit the extra bits..did not see this on Dapol's site.

Thanks
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bob G on April 06, 2019, 02:59:26 PM
I've just noticed an updated Dapol catalogue on their website - 140MB no less - and as well as the page of the High Window Maunsells (in olive) they have a re-run of the Schools in DCC ready and DCC fitted formats, supposedly due end of Q2 2019:

2S-002-006 BR Lined Green Early Crest 30939 Leatherhead
2S-002-007 SR Wartime Black 930 Radley
2S-002-008 SR Lined Malachite 927 Clifton
2S-002-009 SR Lined Sage (Maunsell Olive ??? ) 924 Haileybury
2S-002-010 BR Lined Green Late Crest 30915 Brighton

Don't understand why they are suggesting Urie's Sage Green for Haileybury, as the Schools is a Maunsell engine, of later vintage than any Urie livery. Presumably it will be in Maunsell Olive?

Best regards
Bob
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: doug22150 on April 06, 2019, 03:29:37 PM
Bob

The Urie "Sage Green" was initially adopted by the SR under Maunsell, so I wouldn't worry too much.  By consensus this green gradually became darker by the mid 1930s.  The HMRS Livery Register No 3 gives chapter and verse:-

Described as "sage green" which it certainly was not.  In fact it was a true Olive Green, exactly the colour of a good green olive (light olive). By the end of the Maunsell era it had evolved to a darker and bluer "Maunsell green"

This darker green came from Ashford works, where Maunsell was based and the HMRS Livery Register says "Ashford repaints were never the same as Eastleigh"!

Doug
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: CarriageShed on April 06, 2019, 05:39:19 PM
I wonder if they've sorted out the 'soft' side motion rods that were so very bendy on the first batch...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Bob G on April 06, 2019, 06:16:59 PM
I wonder if they've sorted out the 'soft' side motion rods that were so very bendy on the first batch...

The catalogue says the new ones are stainless steel... they didn't specify in the earlier catalogue listing, so this might be an upgrade.

Bob
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: talisman56 on April 06, 2019, 07:54:40 PM
I wonder if they've sorted out the 'soft' side motion rods that were so very bendy on the first batch...

I would think they have. Going by the number that were NQP at the last Dapol Open Day I went to with jammed motion because the rods were bent, they wouldn't sell very many of a new batch if the material was the same...
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: daveg on April 06, 2019, 09:36:45 PM
That's got me worried as I bought Osborn's special  'Cheltenham' from what I think was the first run.  :worried:

Does anyone know. should there be a problem, if the original rods can be replaced by the 'improved' ones?

Dave G

Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: longbow on April 06, 2019, 10:50:01 PM
Hopefully Dapol have redesigned the front bogie, which seems to be the root cause of problems with the previous models.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: PLD on April 06, 2019, 10:57:23 PM
[Devil's Advocate Mode]
I wonder if they've sorted out the 'soft' side motion rods that were so very bendy on the first batch...
I wonder if they've sorted out the heavy handed users that seemed so adept at mishandling the first batch and bending the rods...

Hopefully Dapol have redesigned the front bogie, which seems to be the root cause of problems with the previous models.
Hopefully Dapol haven't compromised the front bogie mounting design, which more closely resembled the prototype than most previous models...

[/Devil's Advocate Mode]
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Hailstone on April 06, 2019, 11:50:56 PM
Hopefully Dapol have redesigned the front bogie, which seems to be the root cause of problems with the previous models.
no redesign required, the bogie pivot post  needs to be extended about 1mm to allow enough vertical clearance so that the bogie does not lift off the track if the leading driving wheels are raise 1mm of the track, this topped the derailments. I proved this soon after the Schools were released originally and posted my fix for this both here and on the Dapol digest.

hope this helps

Alex 
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: longbow on April 06, 2019, 11:54:06 PM
Perhaps Dapol will shop the new lot with a warning sticker and a pair of kid gloves.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: PLD on April 06, 2019, 11:57:21 PM
the bogie pivot post needs to be extended about 1mm to allow enough vertical clearance so that the bogie does not lift off the track if the leading driving wheels are raise 1mm of the track
Unless I'm really misunderstanding your meaning, there must be something seriously wrong in the tracklaying (e.g. very large steps or twists) for wheels to be lifter that far above the rail head...  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: PLD on April 06, 2019, 11:58:40 PM
Perhaps Dapol will shop the new lot with a warning sticker and a pair of kid gloves.
well probably better than the boxing gloves some modellers would seem to wear to handle their locos...  ;)
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Snowwolflair on April 07, 2019, 12:01:15 AM
the bogie pivot post needs to be extended about 1mm to allow enough vertical clearance so that the bogie does not lift off the track if the leading driving wheels are raise 1mm of the track
Unless I'm really misunderstanding your meaning, there must be something seriously wrong in the tracklaying (e.g. very large steps or twists) for wheels to be lifter that far above the rail head...  :hmmm:

A lot of makes of points have edges and drops that really caught them out.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Hailstone on April 07, 2019, 12:05:57 AM
the bogie pivot post needs to be extended about 1mm to allow enough vertical clearance so that the bogie does not lift off the track if the leading driving wheels are raise 1mm of the track
Unless I'm really misunderstanding your meaning, there must be something seriously wrong in the tracklaying (e.g. very large steps or twists) for wheels to be lifter that far above the rail head...  :hmmm:

what about gradients?

regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: thebrighton on November 28, 2019, 02:56:10 PM
Ok, I can normally dismantle a loco fairly easily but Dapol have stumped me with the Schools. Has anyone any suggestions as to how to remove the loco body? Cheers
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dr Al on November 28, 2019, 04:57:09 PM
Ok, I can normally dismantle a loco fairly easily but Dapol have stumped me with the Schools. Has anyone any suggestions as to how to remove the loco body? Cheers

If I remember correctly:

Remove tender (drawbar and tender conductor wire screws).

Remove front bogie (be careful it has a spring).

Under this there should be and attachment screw. The chassis should be able to then be winkled out - the cylinders are clipped to the footplate and need to come out with the chassis  (and will do once unclipped).

HTH,
Alan
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: thebrighton on November 28, 2019, 08:44:06 PM
That's as far as I got but it doesn't want to be 'winkled' out (great description  :D). I was wondering if it's one Dapol waved the glue at to hold it all together. I'll try out some more winkling.....
Cheers
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: dannyboy on November 28, 2019, 09:31:53 PM
If the winkling does not work, try picking.  ;)

(Sobering thought - I just looked up 'Winklepickers' on t'net. They are described as "Anarchic Fashion"  :o - come on now, it is only 50 years ago that I had a pair!  8)).
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dr Al on November 28, 2019, 11:40:01 PM
That's as far as I got but it doesn't want to be 'winkled' out (great description  :D). I was wondering if it's one Dapol waved the glue at to hold it all together. I'll try out some more winkling.....
Cheers

I do remember that the body didn't just lift off and it did take some persuasion to edge it out, but precise details of what I did I forget because the last one was some time ago - I've had many Schools to repair since then (valve gear) but none has needed to go that far in terms of dismantling. It isn't deliberately glued however, from what I recall, just tight.

It can be done, so persevere!

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: thebrighton on November 29, 2019, 11:10:05 AM
And sorted :)
It was to undertake a valve gear repair as I'd picked up 2 knackered ones for a bargain price. Both had suffered catastrophic damage to opposite sides so between them there was a complete set of intact valve gear. Unfortunately one had also suffered cylinder damage and who knows what had happened to the other as one of the drivers had been pulled of its stub axle and was wedged on top of the footplate! I guess someone had tried fixing it with a mallet.....
Anyhow I needed to remove the body as the 2 cylinder blocks needed to be cut in half with the intact ones with valve gear attached being retained. It went far better than I'd expected even though Shrewsbury in early logo black does currently have a green cylinder block one side.
The busted driver is now back in place so I now have a working chassis for an inside cylinder 4-4-0 as well for a future project.
Title: Re: Dapol - 4-4-0 Schools class
Post by: Dr Al on November 29, 2019, 11:37:58 AM
You can get valve gear frets of all rods from DCC Supplies for 6 quid, so a lot can be repaired. These replacements seem to be of a thicker material also, so superior to the originals.

Cheers,
Alan