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Title: 3D Class 92
Post by: Newportnobby on May 14, 2012, 11:40:23 AM
I've had some information from Russ regarding a 3D bodied Class 92 on a Farish Class 60 chassis and am passing it on to get feedback.

Please find attached the phots Iv managed to get so far - its a right pain to phot as its see through!! Dedicated battery box to follow...
 
My end of this is chassis reworking & dimensions etc - iv no tallent in 3D (wish I did). I build worsley stuff instead. All I did was say to David that if there was a model that people wanted it would be a 92. (I know there are others but I cant think of any loco that fits on exisiting chassis that isnt already covered). This is sat on a farish class 60 chassis thats had the pcb lowered. (Mounting lumps filed of the chassis and one screw cut down as the blind hole was not deep enough, insulating tape under the pcb and thats the total mods to the chassis so far - dead easy. "David" is the 3D god whos done this. Its been a roller coaster of information....no time for headaches! Need some paint on this puppy to get some decent shots. Wasnt planning on posting on the group till around wednesday but its been such a quiet day today (I can view but not post from work) may aswell stir up some activity!
 
And yes it will be available for sale once weve ironed out any niggles - constructive criticism welcome! Were aiming for "as good as reasonably practical".

(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j454/nobbynewport/Class92pic3.jpg)

(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j454/nobbynewport/Class92pic2.jpg)

(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j454/nobbynewport/Class92pic.jpg)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Fratton on May 14, 2012, 12:07:33 PM
looks a fine shell, even without paint, cant wait to see it painted up  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: red_death on May 14, 2012, 12:43:00 PM
Excellent work - looking forward to being able to buy one!

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Greybeema on May 14, 2012, 12:58:01 PM
Looks really good.  Strong consideration will be given to a purchase..

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Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: PaulCheffus on May 14, 2012, 03:20:30 PM
Hi

I don't suppose the Dapol one will appear in the future so I will be interested to see how this looks with paint on but so far that is very promising.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Mustermark on May 14, 2012, 03:49:43 PM
That's a very nice bit of work.  Probably much harder than I have any idea of.  If I had use for one on my Reading layout, i would.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: EtchedPixels on May 14, 2012, 06:30:44 PM
That's a very nice bit of work.  Probably much harder than I have any idea of.  If I had use for one on my Reading layout, i would.

Platform 4A/4B railtours 8)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: unidan on May 14, 2012, 07:16:40 PM
looks nothing short of brilliant, cant wait to see painted version
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: dr deltic on May 14, 2012, 09:30:31 PM
Would be good to have another option for those without 500 notes to spend. This technology is amazing.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: captainelectra on May 14, 2012, 09:36:29 PM
That is a stunning bit of 3D Printing - hats off to the CAD artist! Can't wait to get one of these beasties - my cheapo GWR Green 60 is now looking ready for a makeover  :)

Now, with all this recent talk of Class 390s, I have a few ideas in that direction of anyone cares to discuss it off-list!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: EtchedPixels on May 14, 2012, 10:17:50 PM
Would be good to have another option for those without 500 notes to spend. This technology is amazing.

No doubt about it, 3D print is going to revolutionise low volume stuff especially in smaller scales (because of the way scales grow in volume the price scales rapidly as your scale goes up)

It's also now at the point where most of the stuff I am feeding it as bulk packs (buffers, pullman lamps etc) are both cheaper and better quality that white metal and in most respects than brass turnings.

I can't see me doing any future white metal work except when I want the weight (which is one reason it's still handy for coach battery boxes - weight low down).

Another thing that is cool is the home systems, while hardly mainstream yet, can print in cheap materials and also biodegradable ones. PLA, one of the materials used for testing/prototyping is a plastic made from natural materials so after you've finished you can smash it up, put it in the compost and in a year it'll be gone !
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Skyline2uk on May 14, 2012, 10:18:27 PM
Brilliant piece of work, I knew there was somthing I was forgetting when I submitted my votes for new RTR locos....this might mean I actually saved a vote!

Looking forward to seeing a painted one.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Ben A on May 15, 2012, 01:51:07 PM

Hi there

Looks pretty good so far, but I think a blast of grey primer would be very helpful to confirm that the ends are "right".

For example, the translucent material makes it hard to see the proportions of the windscreens compared to the cabside windows - the windscreens should be taller.

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Newportnobby on May 15, 2012, 02:20:46 PM
Hello Ben & everyone else who has responded to this.

I put the pics and Russ's description up as he wasn't sure how to best get the details to the forum.
Russ is on nights until later in the week but will then, I hope, pick up the production story.
I don't know who the mystery 'David' is, but I reckon he's made a great first effort that can be improved with feedback from those interested.

Looks like Class 60 chassis may be in demand in the not too distant future!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on May 15, 2012, 02:55:15 PM
Hi Everyone,

Thanks for all the kind comments.

Im picking up on the general theme of paint please so its heading off to the paint shop later this week. Fingers crossed it will be primered and photed on Saturday - weather dependant.  As soon as theres more phots I'll get them on here so you can hopefuly see more. Few more tweeks to measure for before it leaves here.

Regards
RussH
(Bridgwater)



Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: kirky on May 15, 2012, 04:42:53 PM
Can I put an early plea in to folk who buy this rather stunning body. I'm prepared to pay good money for discarded class 60 bodies, I could do with a couple. Please pm me.

Many thanks
Kirky
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: porkie on May 15, 2012, 08:26:36 PM
Hi Everyone,

Thanks for all the kind comments.

Im picking up on the general theme of paint please so its heading off to the paint shop later this week. Fingers crossed it will be primered and photed on Saturday - weather dependant.  As soon as theres more phots I'll get them on here so you can hopefuly see more. Few more tweeks to measure for before it leaves here.

Regards
RussH

Looking forward to it :thumbsup:
(Bridgwater)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: moogle on May 15, 2012, 11:41:21 PM
Whilst I've absolutely no idea if it looks like the prototype or not, it does look good.  8)
Just shows what 3D printing can do for our scale.  :thumbsup:
Some  :camera: of it in paint should do it even more justice...
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: OwL on May 16, 2012, 12:29:04 AM
An absolute stunning visual 3D CAD picture! Like many comments on here already, I cannot wait to see primer/paint on her bodyshell.

The 3D picture mounted on the 60 chassis gives it a very 'Etheral' Ghost like quality. Picture looks spookily cool for this reason in its own right! Should have released it on October 31st :evil:

I will definately be in the purchase cue for this Class 92 spook machine. Excellent Work!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: H on May 16, 2012, 07:34:28 AM
As others have said - it looks very exciting but is difficult to tell the detail accuracy from those frew snaps and without any paint/primer on it. Presumably it's made to 1:148 scale and not something else (like 1:152 or 1:160).

I looks forward to seeing more.

H.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on May 16, 2012, 06:50:58 PM
Hi Guys

Thanks for the support and all the positive messages - if you can see any errors or improvemets your comments will be welcome.

Just to add a quick scan of the 92 side by side with a farish 60. Still tweeks to do but the one shown will be primered so we can all see a shape.

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Regards
RussH
(bridgwater)

Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on May 17, 2012, 09:18:00 AM
Hi Guys

Phots of the test fit of a standard farish Panto into one of the roof wells. Bit wide so a couple of simple chops to narrow the pickup - will this look Ok once theres extra clarance for the arm?
Standard panto...
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chop off the surplus under the head...
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chop the tips, bend, solder and clean up
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side view showing height
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Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: CAMBRIAN DRIVER DAVE on May 17, 2012, 09:36:30 AM
Looks good can't wait to get my hands on one
Of them I take it I could bye one unpainted .
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on May 17, 2012, 10:06:32 AM
Hi Dave,

Yes, unpainted is whats intended. As we think it unlikely to be mass produced each shell will be a 3dprint so wil be more costly than resin reproductions but as you can see comes loaded with details that would be missing on a resin cast.

Should be available as Shell & Battery box (for want of a better name), hoping to add the pickups (and maybe a cab insert?)

Just needs ....
Farish 60 chassis (need to lower the main pcb) and remove (or modify) the lighting units.
2x Standard farish pantographs (if the above looks OK) - see Bob at brlines
Horns (Hoping Bernard at TPM wil be able to help here)
some representation of the roof wiring.
Glazing material of your choice
Wire for handrail (might be able to supply that)
Paint and decals (John at precision decals can supply)
Think that it?

Hope that helps

And shell is on its way to the spray shop for primer on the weekend.

Regards
RussH
(bridgwater)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: CAMBRIAN DRIVER DAVE on May 17, 2012, 10:46:31 AM
Nice one thanks for that on the transfers front
I make transfers my self using an alps printer so can
Do white silver gold so if you ever need any help just give
Us a shout .
Cheers 👍
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: EtchedPixels on May 17, 2012, 11:16:19 AM
Should be available as Shell & Battery box (for want of a better name), hoping to add the pickups (and maybe a cab insert?)

Is the 60 cab not re-usable ?

Quote
2x Standard farish pantographs (if the above looks OK) - see Bob at brlines

Or Dapol I assume if running under fake catenary ?

Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: scruff on May 17, 2012, 12:08:56 PM
Looks excellent Russ, how about a class 59 to sit on a class 66 chassis next??

Cheers

Mark
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: EtchedPixels on May 17, 2012, 12:10:43 PM
Looks excellent Russ, how about a class 59 to sit on a class 66 chassis next??


http://www.shapeways.com/model/43587/mendip-rail-ltd-class-59-0.html (http://www.shapeways.com/model/43587/mendip-rail-ltd-class-59-0.html)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on May 17, 2012, 12:30:08 PM
Hi Alan and all,

Yes the dapol ones look usable - will try one (borrowed from an 86) on the body when I see it again. Only odd thing with dapol ones is that they are supplied as an odd pair.

Class 60 cab interior - very good idea and it might be but it seems a shame to take it out. Have to remove the light guides etc. Where as the body maybe reusable as a whole (swaping 2 bodies onto a single chassis to free up a chassis for the 92 project)

As for the 59 - the one Alan has pointed out looks fine to me. Seen it at the bristol show (think thats the same one). 

Thanks
RussH
(Bridgwater)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: red_death on May 17, 2012, 04:35:30 PM
As we think it unlikely to be mass produced each shell will be a 3dprint so wil be more costly than resin reproductions but as you can see comes loaded with details that would be missing on a resin cast.

Hi Russ

If the bodyshell is capable of being cast (ie there aren't too many undercuts/awkward shapes for a mould) then you really should not lose any details in the casting process.

Pantographs - I would definitely go for the Dapol ones.  Might be worth asking Dapol if they will sell them directly to you as just Brecknell Willis spares.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: EtchedPixels on May 17, 2012, 06:24:41 PM
Last time I priced it Resin wasn't actually any cheaper than 3D print any more. It's labour intensive and you get a lot of rejects.

Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: scruff on May 17, 2012, 10:42:45 PM
Alan,

Thanks for the 59 link, its kept me dreaming all afternoon!

Cheers

Mark
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: StufromEGDL on May 17, 2012, 11:44:35 PM
Hi Gang;

I'm very lucky in that I have a CJM 92...but am still following this with intense interest.
If it succeeds, I shall probably be in for one (or two!!)

Later;
STU in KNID
 :Class89:
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Ben A on May 18, 2012, 01:53:28 AM
Hi Alan and all,

Class 60 cab interior - very good idea and it might be but it seems a shame to take it out. Have to remove the light guides etc. Where as the body maybe reusable as a whole (swaping 2 bodies onto a single chassis to free up a chassis for the 92 project)

Thanks
RussH
(Bridgwater)

Hi Russ

Since the 92 was largely based on the 60, and I believe the lights on each are to group standard, might it be possible to use the Farish 60 chassis with the cabs/light guides and arrange for your 92 to have working head/tail lights?

In terms of features that would put it ahead of the (admittedly lovely) CJM 92 which has no lights....

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: BernardTPM on May 18, 2012, 09:06:08 AM
The only snag there is that the Cl.92 lights are underneath clear covers - not just flat clear covers either, they curve to match the bodyshell.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on May 18, 2012, 11:24:03 AM
Hi Guys,

 Regarding lights, I made best efforts to ensure the original main circuit boad is kept (just lowered) so it would be simple to do lighting by whatever means anyone fancied (and DCC though thats going to be very tight). Some ideas being...
  Chop the existing lighting pcbs down (as its would otherwise stick up through the pantograph well) and rewire. Tricky as the wires are fine but that keeps all lighting as original. Then its making your own light guides - plenty of articles about that. I would probably do Poly light guide for the forward lighting only - the shell is thick enough on the front to easily support this but remember the shell is transparent.
  OR given sufficient interest, once the cab is done and we have V2.0 on a chassis maybe we can do light guides in 3d print - Will need to ask david but the material is transparent!

If you just need minimal forward lighting then an appropriate LED body mounted on and wire to the main pcb seems simple.

Light covers are definatly wrap round (should be more visable on the primered version) and I think this maybe possible with a coat of liquiglaze - works on most things to look like lenses etc

IF the class 60 shell from the donor chassis can be left 100% intact it can share a chassis with another shell and, what was two class 60's can then become a 60 with two body shell options and a class 92 - I think thats quite ecconomic.

Have a good day!

Regards
Russ
 
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on May 18, 2012, 03:43:04 PM
Hi Guys

Quick update with a phot of the 92 with a bit of primer on...
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Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: EtchedPixels on May 18, 2012, 04:14:02 PM
Can't be totally sure but the windows do look a bit wrong from that angle. Horns maybe a bit too close together too.

Other oddments - the windoscreen wipers are on slightly raised rectangles flush or slightly over the frames and the top of the flat block in the centre of the nose isn't flush at the top if I remember rightly but has  slight lip.

One of the best ways to get a clear view of the nose is probably to look at photos of Bart. The white paintwork makes the various edges and joins very clear.

This one shows the differing window heights pretty well

http://www.flickr.com/photos/allan5819/6017848762/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/allan5819/6017848762/#)


Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: 37058 on May 18, 2012, 04:29:38 PM
WOW :o This sure does look amazing!! I already have a CJM 92, but 1 of your bodyshells would not go a miss as I have a spare 60 ;)

Cheers, Anthony
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Tank on May 18, 2012, 04:35:00 PM
Fantastic work guys. :thumbsup: :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Chris on May 18, 2012, 06:10:16 PM
This is great. All new models will need tweaking but that's a very good representation of the 92. As my next layout will feature catenary I would be interested in one of these to go on one of my 60 chassis, especially as one of my 60s has a cracked body-shell. I feel a red 92 coming on!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: EtchedPixels on May 18, 2012, 10:17:50 PM
I'm pondering one to match the Nightstar coaches. Unthinkable at £500 quid but at a sensible price I'm willing to have a shot !
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Ben A on May 18, 2012, 10:47:50 PM

Hi Russ

That is looking very good - but I think Alan is right to draw your attention to the relative size/position of the cabside windows compared to the windscreens, and the spacing of the horn recesses.

Returning to the chat about lights, how about drawing in recesses from the rear to simlate the position of the bulbs on the prototype?  The outer lenses could be masked off when painted, then the recesses inside painted white/red then black - similar to painting racing car bodyshells from the inside.

The round recesses could be painted to look like bulbs, or could be the locators for any light channelling fibre optics or similar that the very keen could fit...

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on May 19, 2012, 02:22:16 PM
Hi Ben, Alan and all

Thanks for all the input, much appreciated and all noted - the whole front end is getting a rework to correct all thatís been pointed - fingers crossed for v2.0!

Lights - in the deep thought stage. At the very least, as it is, Fibres will work. But what Ben's has suggested maybe possible and would be really good - see what can be done.

V1.0 body progresses at the body shop to see what the finish might be like...
Its had a good few hours of wet and dry, fibre pen to get rid of what I call the digitalisation of the shell and its gone really well, feels smooth now. The plastic can handle quite a bit of stick (not that Iíve been giving it) which is good.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: bridgiesimon on May 19, 2012, 04:01:29 PM
Way to go Russ!! Most excellent stuff, I had no plans to ever look at doing a 92 until you started this nonsense, cheers mate!!!

hehehe, likely to go for a couple now though.

BridgieSimon
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: tgv_obsessed on May 19, 2012, 04:17:55 PM
been following this keenly but silently as I am bewildered and awstruck

is each body going to cost £500? is that the cost of the 3d print?
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on May 19, 2012, 04:55:49 PM
Hi tgv_obsessed

£500 a body? - not sure where you got that from but simply no, not even close. We want this to be affordable by as many as posible.

As soon as we know what its all going to cost I''ll post it on here and where to get them from etc if thats Ok with the moderators.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: kirky on May 19, 2012, 05:44:44 PM
Hi tgv_obsessed

£500 a body? - not sure where you got that from but simply no, not even close. We want this to be affordable by as many as posible.

As soon as we know what its all going to cost I''ll post it on here and where to get them from etc if thats Ok with the moderators.

Regards
Russ

I think he's confused because the cjm  class 92 has been mentioned.
Cheers
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Ben A on May 19, 2012, 07:25:06 PM

Hi tgv obsessed,

Yes, the only existing Class 92 at the moment is the CJM model which costs around £500 give or take.  That model was originally produced for the Eurotunnel layout in the early 1990s.

I think that's what people are referring to....

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Pengi on May 19, 2012, 07:35:39 PM

Hi tgv obsessed,

Yes, the only existing Class 92 at the moment is the CJM model which costs around £500 give or take.  That model was originally produced for the Eurotunnel layout in the early 1990s.

I think that's what people are referring to....

cheers

Ben A.

Thanks Ben, I was a bit confused too about the £500 that was being mentionned in the posts as not familiar with the CJM model.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: njee20 on May 19, 2012, 07:53:26 PM
Keenly watching this, I'd love a 92! Was disappointed to hear Dapol had shelved theirs!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: tgv_obsessed on May 19, 2012, 08:00:05 PM
thanks for the clarity on this!

I'm dreaming of colour 3d printing and scanning

or enterprising folk selling the CAD files- with customizable liveries and god knows what else

perhaps changeable to fit different chassis- so those like me who don't mind the small wheels to go round sharp radii can have their cake and eat it

want a Toothpaste ETR 450 (originalish pendo) that can grip a small tomix or kato chassis to get through those peco setrack points?

yippeeeeeee me me me me me!!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: EtchedPixels on May 19, 2012, 08:20:27 PM
thanks for the clarity on this!

I'm dreaming of colour 3d printing and scanning

3D colour printing is getting there slowly. Some of the Zcorp machines can print colour although not to the quality or on materials good for modelling yet.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on May 21, 2012, 08:08:59 AM
Hi Guys

A couple of screen prints of V2.0 with a much revised cab end. Still lots to do but your opinions on the shapes & contours etc either as it stands or compared to v1 would be much appreciated.
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Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: EtchedPixels on May 21, 2012, 11:05:28 AM
Cab looks better. First roof panel behind the cab is wrong though 8) If you look carefully at the prototype you'll see that the roof panels are two thicknesses and the first one is two differing depths with the change along the line of the angle step in the roof

This shows it nice and clearly as the light is right to pick up the shadows. See 2mins in

Metronet Class 66 + Class 92 Europorte 2 hauling a very long freight train (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhMvHvuFCAE#ws)

Not entirely sure the door handles don't stick out too far - they are pretty much flush with the body side (I think flush with the 3 disc plaques)

Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on May 26, 2012, 05:14:21 PM
Hi Alan and all following this thread.

Apologies for not getting these to you sooner - on nights again (no fun in this heat).

Phots of what v1.0 looks like in primer - as you can see even with a lot of smoothing thereís still visible patterning. Currently thinking of trying different materials or different printing services to get the finish we want - ie smooth! (or in a material that can be smoothed much more easily - apparently FUD is a bit like kryptonite to sand etc).  Any thoughts ideas or recommendations appreciated!

regards
Russ

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Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: moogle on May 26, 2012, 05:35:20 PM
Trouble is, you can get the detail in FUD but not necessarily in the others even if they're smoother.
Mind you, I've only used Shapeways so there might be someone else that can do smooth.
Looks good though and the details more visible now its in primer.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: EtchedPixels on May 26, 2012, 07:40:58 PM
That's why the suburbans are mixed etch and polished wsf.

I wouldn't worry too much at normal distances. Also IMHO forget polishing FUD WSF or PLA. Better to add material to smooth it.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: darren.c on May 28, 2012, 08:48:37 AM
i just found this thread im very impressed on what you have done so far and i cant wait to see the finished product
kind regards daz
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: alibuchan on July 03, 2012, 12:04:00 PM
looks like I will have to buy another green 60 as a donor would love to have one of these.

As soon as they are finished i will have one :thumbsup:

Alistair
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on July 03, 2012, 01:14:39 PM
Hi Guys,

Sorry its been a bit quiet recently. Currently waiting for v2.0 in WSF from shapeways to see what the detail and finish is like compared to FUD . Were possibly being a bit picky but if its worth doing its worth doing well. Meanwhile still looking at other 3Dprinting services for something detailed, not to fragile, reasonably priced and that can actually be sanded down smooth. Something in the pipeline just waiting to see what WSF turns out like first - hopefully not long to wait now.

Regards
Russ




Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on July 18, 2012, 04:33:05 PM
Hi Guys
V2.0 finally arrived today from a different printer, WSF version is still delayed at shapeways.
This is the final version - more or less - just getting the printing right. This one is sandable for a nice smooth finish (looks smoother than FUD already)
 
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Any worthwhile minor tweeks you can think of?
Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Tank on July 18, 2012, 04:35:35 PM
I don't know the Class 92 inside and out, but that looks superb!  Very impressive work.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: NTrain on July 18, 2012, 04:40:39 PM
That looks nice, who did you use for the 3D print
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Mustermark on July 18, 2012, 04:42:52 PM
Looks fantastic and the surface is a lot, lot better than the FUD was.  Nice work. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: scotsoft on July 18, 2012, 04:43:54 PM
The level of detail on it looks brilliant  :thumbsup:

cheers John.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: K-N-Gauge on July 18, 2012, 04:44:27 PM
Looks good keep up the work :)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on July 18, 2012, 04:56:30 PM
Hi Guys,

This print ones from Sabre media copy at 16 micron and the firm is UK based too - lots more expensive but I think this may actually be worth it! Still waiting for WSF from shapeways and a 4th option due at some point.

Thanks to you all for your interest!

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: BernardTPM on July 18, 2012, 05:54:00 PM
Hi Guys
Any worthwhile minor tweeks you can think of?

The outer elements of the bodyside grilles are vertical, not horizontal (the horizontals are set back behind the verticals and not that obvious), see: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bonedome/6821603965/#sizes/o/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bonedome/6821603965/#sizes/o/in/photostream/)
The cabs taper form the doors forward to the ends, like a cl.60 (not too surprising, given the builders!), see: http://www.flickr.com/photos/beerdave1745/5832411883/#sizes/l/in/photostream/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/beerdave1745/5832411883/#sizes/l/in/photostream/)
The print is a lot better than the usual Shapeways FUD. Interesting...
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: njee20 on July 18, 2012, 06:01:56 PM
That looks superb! Would definitely have one of those! Shame my pathetic attempts at painting it would no doubt ruin it totally!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: red_death on July 18, 2012, 06:03:55 PM
We really need to see some primer on it (and larger pictures!) - there still looks to be a fair amount of lines from the printing.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on July 19, 2012, 07:48:42 PM
Hi Guys,

Thanks all for your kind comments!

Quick update - Shapeways WSF&P isnít happening as the shell broke in polishing stage - fair doos to them for trying a couple more times before giving up! Nice guys!

Moving on...Roof side panels adj to the cab are getting a tweak (thanks Alan@etched), side louvers are getting a change to mesh if possible (thanks Bernard) and buffer beam is moving back under a bit. Once done we'll try the next 3Dprinters...(still looking for the best deal quality vs cost)

Mike - bigger pictures? - it already looks O gauge...PM me your email and I'll mail you some originals for you to drool over.

Please bear with us while we get this fully sorted - will keep in touch!

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Tank on July 19, 2012, 08:03:05 PM
.....and larger pictures!

Mike, Have you clicked on the smaller pictures, as it enlarges them.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: darren.c on July 19, 2012, 08:59:27 PM
looks great cant wait to get my hands on one of them
daz
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: EtchedPixels on July 19, 2012, 10:12:45 PM
Quick update - Shapeways WSF&P isnít happening as the shell broke in polishing stage - fair doos to them for trying a couple more times before giving up! Nice guys!

I hit this with the corridors on the LNER suburban composite. It seems that you need to make things like window pillars a lot thicker to survive the polisher (1.5mmx1.5mm was their recommendation). I've as a result had to change the plan slightly and use cut vinyl on clear plastic for the corridor divider on that and the narrow compartment dividers on the test Great Central coach.

3D print is certainly an area where there is much to discover 8)

Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on August 03, 2012, 11:21:37 PM
Hi Guys

As promised a few pics of it in primer at the paint shop....
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(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Pengi on August 04, 2012, 05:52:24 AM
This is exciting!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: njee20 on August 04, 2012, 09:02:06 AM
**rubs hands together excitedly**

Looks great!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: alibuchan on August 20, 2012, 03:59:50 PM
Hi Russ,

The 92 is looking good, any pictures of it fully painted?

Also when will it be available to order as I have a new class 60 chassis waiting for a body or 2!

Alistair
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on August 21, 2012, 09:10:18 PM
Hi Alistair and all watching this thread,

The 16 micron print is progressing to full painted at my mates paint shop and as soon as theres any photos I'll post them on here same day.

Meanwhile...
Shapeways WSF arrived and went off to the paint shop for checking -  the words are "very powdery material to touch, slight concerned on the lack of detail already there and what will be left afterwards, needs alot of sanding and after a brief go with wet and dry its not going to be overly easy to sand, holds it shape well.
3D print (UK firm) shell arrived as requested uncleaned still in its block of support wax - very odd but surprisingly easy to crumble it away.
This is what it looked like when it arrived...
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the words from the paint shop are...This is the better one out of the 2, moulding holds better detail and I think it will be easier to sand, bit concerned about the 'bowing' body. --- This is easily sorted with hot water and is my fav so far.

Next were waiting for a Shapeways print in WD to see what that material works out like. Then were out of options - any suggestions welcome!

Its so frustrating to get this good a 3d render and find it so hard to get it printed at the quality we want, thats workable to a good standard of finish at a price thats sensible and reasonable.  So far its the Uk based 3D print that I think will be the most popular but cant wait to see what shapways WD is like.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: NTrain on August 21, 2012, 10:10:44 PM
I find the same frustrations. The technology is nearly there, but we are still waiting for the strength and price of WSF, with the detail of FUD.

My research suggests that we are there in all but price, for a reasonable level of detail. At the moment, I am sticking to WSF as I do not feel that the additional cost for other materials is justifiable.

I have been following this thread with interest.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: red_death on August 22, 2012, 10:19:31 AM
My research suggests that we are there in all but price, for a reasonable level of detail. At the moment, I am sticking to WSF as I do not feel that the additional cost for other materials is justifiable.

I disagree I'm afraid.  Detail/finish is key and WSF doesn't do it for me.  It is fine for internal structures.  For small items FUD is the best I have seen (short of Finelines which is much, much more expensive) and if the cost is becoming prohibitive for a large chunk of FUD then print and cast it.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: EtchedPixels on August 22, 2012, 11:33:06 AM
There is an old saying that "perfection is the enemy of success"

IMHO Resin and white metal both have their problems and limits too but modellers use them. Selling a model as something it's not is one thing, selling a model that is sold with its limits (looking slightly frosty on the surface from 3" or less) expected is another.

The alternative is to use etched overlays but while its easy for coaches some of the 92 is a bit interestingly shaped.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on August 25, 2012, 09:22:21 AM
Hi Guys

Bit of disappointment - the 3D print (wax block) material is evidently too soft for this particular application as it is, so were thinking about increasing wall thickness and having a go later on. Its still a good material and travels well as a solid lump. The battery box for the 92 is printed in this material and is superb.

FUD - too much layering and nearly impossible to sand but strong and detailed so has its uses - but not the body for this 92.
WSF - just too rough
16 micron - £'ouch but lovely in all respects.

Meanwhile were still waiting for the WD articles to arrive as Shapeways have has some sort of software upgrade issue and its all got a bit mixed up. maybe next week?

Still seeking a sensible/economic way forward thoughts then turn to resin casting from a 16 micron print. There are a few obvious issues. Thereís no way the buffers and probably the roof insulators are going to pull out of a resin cast so....
options...
1) leave the buffer beam attached to the shell and leave it bare (source your own detail bits?)
or
2) supplied complete with all detail as a separate 16 micron printed part.

What are your thoughts?

And a question...
Does anyone know of a supply of suitable insulators for use on the roof?

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: EtchedPixels on August 25, 2012, 03:48:51 PM
Still seeking a sensible/economic way forward thoughts then turn to resin casting from a 16 micron print. There are a few obvious issues. Thereís no way the buffers and probably the roof insulators are going to pull out of a resin cast so....
options...
1) leave the buffer beam attached to the shell and leave it bare (source your own detail bits?)
or
2) supplied complete with all detail as a separate 16 micron printed part.

I intentionally made the buffers on the coaches a separate part so that if they ever get damaged its trivial to replace them. Things like buffers do work in FUD and come out at an acceptable price.

For insulators you can get very fine screw rod  which works well or you could just print some !

Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: moogle on August 25, 2012, 05:00:24 PM
TBH IMHO you will probably end up with using a 16 micron master to make a mould from to cast.
That's probably the only way you will get the ultra smooth finish you're looking for.
Do the buffers separately like EP says and you'll be ok.  :thumbsup:
Most people who want one will happily glue bits on.
 :hmmm: ok, maybe the 'I want everything rtr out the box' brigade won't but then you can't please everybody!  :laugh:
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Greybeema on August 25, 2012, 08:01:16 PM
Must say I'm with Moogle here.  We are N Gauge Modellers after all. 

So if the best way to produce it is as a kit of parts - so be it, we all have the skills, to a greater or lesser extent - its better than no locomotive at all...
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: alibuchan on August 25, 2012, 08:20:23 PM
You could always offer it twice, Just to see how it takes off. A FUD or similar printed version and one that is a kit of parts to make it a good one.

As you will find that there are modellers who can produce a cracking painted job but can't detail an n gauge loco due to the fat finger syndrome (this is where I fit in). And those who can do this detailing.

This is of course my opinion but hope that you come to some solution soon as I would still be having one even if I have to ask someone else to put it together!

Alistair
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Stevie DC on August 26, 2012, 12:10:48 AM
Hi, the class 92 looks good.

For FUD I've found in the past that a primer layer followed by a couple of thin coats of Halfords clear lacquer and another primer layer hides much of the stepping. You can sand the paint layers to get a better finish (leave at least 48hours before trying this) as you're not trying to sand the FUD directly. The results are still not perfect but much easier than sanding the model directly...

Have you considered Prime Grey? http://imaterialize.com/materials/prime-gray (http://imaterialize.com/materials/prime-gray)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on August 26, 2012, 06:09:21 PM
Hi Guys

Thanks for all the good stuff you've added here.

We did a complete first shell in FUD and with the complex shapes it wasnít deemed suitable to sand back to a decent finish (but was very strong). The 3dprint-uk shell was a good material but just a bit too soft at the wall thickness we specified. Works well for other things though.
 
As for Imateralise - David tried them and found their customer service about as responsive as a brick so we wont be using them.

Going back to 3D print -uk. If you want good stuff in a real hurry were currently getting very good service from them and get prototype prints out very quickly in their glorious waxy blocks - thatís where the battery boxes for the 92 will be coming from. Crumble the wax away, soak overnight in caustic (oven cleaner) and its ready.

Buffer beams and insulators are likely to be in 16mic (thatís Sabre), or shapeways WD (if the bits ever turn up to see what the stuff is like).

Regards
Russ

Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Ben A on August 30, 2012, 09:06:19 AM

Hi there

For the buffers you could contact TPM as I believe they do the continental style rectangular head type in injection moulded plastic.  If you're buying a significant number (to pack in kits) I am sure he'll give you a fair price.

The insulator pots may be easiest cast in whitemetal - certainly those on the CJM Class 92 and TPM Class 87 electric are produced this way.

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: alibuchan on November 11, 2012, 08:52:35 PM
Hi Russ,

Is there any update to the 92 project as it has gone all quiet.

Did you ever get the painted ones back from you mates paint shop as I am really looking forward to this as it fills the last hole in our loco fleet.

Alistair
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on November 11, 2012, 09:47:53 PM
Hi Alistair,

Yep - all too quiet isnít it. At a total standstill waiting for etches from Bernard. CMA are lined up for doing the bodies. The 92 is sharing a test etch with the MPV - which is waiting for its handrails.

The first class 92 16 micron printed shell is at my mates and heís snowed with work but still trying to make progress - If I get any phots I'll post them.

Manic at work with outage ongoing till the start of December so not much time to pursue really but we'll get there!

Thanks to you all for your patience.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: njee20 on January 19, 2013, 06:07:36 PM
Hi Russ, any progress on this? All looking very promising.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on January 20, 2013, 02:55:18 AM
Hi njee20,

Sad to say still totally zero progress since the last update - still waiting for etches....

Its not dead or forgotten but is taking second place to the MPV and RHTT.

The 16 micron print is still at the paint shop going into triple grey once the grey has been sorted out.

Had a delivery from Shapeways yesterday - lots of bits but nothing relating to the 92. Will post more on this next week, after nights, on the relevant threads.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on March 12, 2013, 09:11:38 PM
Hi Guys

Were on the go again - test etches have arrived....Thanks Bernard.

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

Etches are close but not exact to the shell I have here so Iím thinking get the resins done and then match the etches to the final item - does that make sense?

Also is it worth uploading some of the last CADs to see if thereís any howling errors that have been overlooked?

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: bridgiesimon on March 12, 2013, 09:50:40 PM
Yep that makes sense to me, those etches look really great, especially those wipers!!

Simon
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: njee20 on March 13, 2013, 10:43:33 PM
Awesome! Looking forward to this!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on April 02, 2013, 08:48:01 PM
Hi Guys

Quick update....The plan was to get a 16 micron master printed and then resin cast from that - better model at a better price. That needed separate details which Bernard just finished. Now the 16 micron master has gone from ~£110 mark to over £250 plus vat and delivery - great! So, looking at other printers (no luck so far) but will probably end up with FUD's from shapeways. First revised shell due here this week amidst decorating for etch test fitting. Trial of another printing method also due this week - maybe able to achieve a better finish with this.


Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: darren.c on April 03, 2013, 11:02:46 AM
thanks for the update Russell  i can't wait to get my hands on a  few 92s for my layout that im
planning
daz
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: alibuchan on April 03, 2013, 11:22:53 AM
Sounds good. Can't wait for it Russ.

Hopefully 1 will be running round kinlet wharf at redditch in September!

If you want someone as a ginea pig to print and get one built painted and working look no further! ;D

Alistair
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on June 13, 2013, 11:17:35 AM
Hi Guys

Quick update - A class 92 master has finally been posted to CMA for casting in resin. See how that goes!

Regards

Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: njee20 on October 02, 2013, 09:56:07 PM
Any more on this?
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on October 02, 2013, 10:35:49 PM
Hi Guys

Thanks for asking - your just slightly ahead of me - bit of a backlog of stuff to do.

Resin shell has arrived, has been re-measured and etches to be tweaked and sent to PPD to get 50 sets made. Getting there slowly.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: alibuchan on October 02, 2013, 10:46:11 PM
How much would you be selling the body kit for Russ?

I have money sitting in my bank, burning a hole in my plastic waiting to get out.

Alistair
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on October 03, 2013, 02:40:32 PM
Hi Alistair

As soon as we've got the price in for the etch, got the last orders away for shapeways (batt box, buffer beams, roof insulators and 3rd rail pickups) then I can begin to work it out.

Good news is that the resin captured every detail (even door handles!) but as the master was printed the resins need sanding as you can feel the layers - the good news is that as its resin it can be sanded easily.

Hope you've got you class 60 donor ready - you can do the chop to lower the pcb while we sort out the above - remove the PCB - remove the lugs that hold the pcb up from the chassis block, line the area under the pcb with insulation tape, refit the pcb, cutting down the screw as required as its blind holes in the chassis. (now this is a fiddly job). I know its not easy but we needed every last mil of space for the roof well.

Complete list of bits you'll need to acquire...(pinched from earlier in the thread)

Farish 60 chassis (need to lower the main pcb) and remove (or modify) the lighting units.
2x Standard farish pantographs - see Bob at brlines or Dapol pantos - see DCC supplies.
Horns (Must ask bernard if he stil has these)
Some representation of the roof wiring.
Glazing material of your choice
Wire for handrail (might be able to supply that)
Paint and decals (John at precision decals can supply)

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: BernardTPM on October 03, 2013, 03:15:16 PM
Horns (Must ask bernard if he stil has these)
I have  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: alibuchan on October 03, 2013, 03:59:46 PM
I can feel an order coming to you Bernard! Hopefully can do some ATM bogies and wheels if it is possible?

Chassis already brought, just got to start modifying it.

Will be getting paint from Warley or maybe Hornby GETS. decals are ordered too! Hopefully it will be done ready and painted in time for Stafford in February.

Alistair
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on October 03, 2013, 04:13:35 PM
Hi guys

Quick update - Bernard is going to supply me in bulk so horns are now included. One less thing to deal with - thank Bernard.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: njee20 on October 04, 2013, 12:07:17 PM
Awesome! Do we have an idea of cost yet?
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on October 20, 2013, 09:19:02 AM
Hi Njee20

Its looking around £40 so far.

For the etch - We need a bit of help with...
1) the size of channel tunnel portal rings and any decent images that will help with the design
2) the sizing of the cast br cab side arrows.

And heres where all the insulators go....

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

Regards
Russ

Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: StufromEGDL on October 20, 2013, 10:32:50 AM
Hi Russ,

Standard large nickel silver BR arrows and tunnel rounders are already in the BHE range, so perhaps a message to Andrew Evans might help.

Alternatively, when I return, I'll tale a look at my 3TG CJM 92..

Regards,
Stu in OAKN.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: njee20 on October 20, 2013, 11:26:25 AM
Awesome! I should probably budget for 3, so I can screw up painting on two of them!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: EtchedPixels on October 20, 2013, 01:41:32 PM
The rings are a registered trademark so you will also need permission in many cases. Another reason to use the BHE ones!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on October 20, 2013, 04:42:12 PM
Thanks Alan - so much for the everything on one etch idea...

....Well at least everyone knows where to get them now - one more job sorted.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: red_death on October 21, 2013, 10:56:52 AM
Looks great chaps

Really looking forward to getting one (or a few!).

Just for info Shawplan do the Chunnel rings as well and a Crewe electric depot plaque.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: NTrain on October 21, 2013, 10:52:42 PM
BHE will be at Peterborough get together on Saturday.......................
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: alibuchan on October 22, 2013, 10:23:28 PM
Received my kit of parts. Looks really good and quite detailed.

Going to have a look at starting this weekend if I get the chance.

Alistair
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on November 06, 2013, 08:59:14 AM
Hi Guys

Ages ago you wanted a look at a painted example...so, here's an earlier one painted by MK1(thanks buddy)...(this version doesn't use etches)

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Thats got name decals from precision decals.

Resin shells are ready, Insulators, buffer beams and battery boxes are here.
Etches are being revised to correct a minor height issue with the side grills.

Getting very close now and hopefully we'll have another painted example from Alistair soon.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: alibuchan on November 06, 2013, 09:55:10 AM
Hi Russell,
Hoping to get it started today.

Slight issues with my dad having to go in to hospital messing up my modelling time.

So inconsiderate of him!

Alistair
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: njee20 on November 06, 2013, 10:28:04 AM
Wow! That's awesome.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: PostModN66 on November 06, 2013, 10:44:56 AM
Blimey that's nice!

Cheers  Jon  :) :)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: swoopinghawk89 on November 08, 2013, 09:07:32 PM
that looks awesome :) one of my favourite locos too  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: davecttr on November 09, 2013, 08:31:40 AM
These look so good I will want more than one.

How big is the production run? You might be surprised with the demand!.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: alibuchan on November 09, 2013, 08:40:51 AM
Davecttr,

They are a kit,the 3d printed bits can easily be re-ordered so I am assuming that the body can be done easily and more ordered when they need to be.

Alistair
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on November 09, 2013, 08:46:34 AM
Hi Dave

Production run number 1 is 50 units. If we run out we will do more.

Would be nice if they sold well - will justify all the time, effort and investment.

Etches have been ordered and thats the last stage as the names we tried from precision decals (scaled down from OO) worked fine.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: alibuchan on November 09, 2013, 08:49:28 AM
In good news Russ.

I'm off to the shed in a bit so hopefully by the end of tomorrow I will have a painted body! Won't have any decals on it but it will at least be painted and varnished ready for them.

Alistair
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on November 09, 2013, 08:52:47 AM
Hi Alistair

Etches have been tweaked slightly only in the area of the side grill height so if yours look a bit short let me know and I'll send you a new fret.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: alibuchan on November 09, 2013, 09:01:41 AM
I will have a look once I have painted them and offered them up.

Cheers.

Alistair
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: captainelectra on November 09, 2013, 11:26:52 AM
That is incredible - I'll have to get one when finances allow.

One question - will the insulators be available separately? They would be ideal to go with some of my AC unit kits.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on November 09, 2013, 11:30:31 AM
Hi Adam

They are a seperate item so no reason why not - unless shapeways have another brain fart and reject them for no good reason.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Tank on November 09, 2013, 11:38:34 AM
I've never been THAT interested in a Class 92, but your painted model has made me very tempted.  :)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: alibuchan on November 09, 2013, 12:47:47 PM
I am having some issues putting the primer coat on to this. I have cleaned this completely, 3 times in an ultrasonic cleaner and under the tap with a tooth brush and washing up liquid. But I can't seem to get the paint to stick to the body. What do other use on resin bodies.

Alistair
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: NTrain on November 09, 2013, 01:31:25 PM
Most of the trial stuff I have done, I used a car aerosol primer......................

Never had any sticking issues.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Tank on November 09, 2013, 01:43:11 PM
I clean mine in an old lunch box full of white spirit.  I then wash in soapy water, rinse, allow to dry.  I then sprayed with Hycote Grey Primer (bought off of eBay from a car shop).  Make sure it's an acrylic spray and not enamel (that was my first mistake  :doh:).
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: unidan on November 09, 2013, 01:48:10 PM
Is the body resin? as per previous posts cleaned with abit of cif, phoenix precision primer, airbrushed very few passes until you get the coat built up.

experience from taylors 26's and 60's is that it can be very hit and miss, but 1st few coats are critical, might not look like you are putting anything on but good to start slowly.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on November 09, 2013, 01:49:04 PM
Hi Guys

Always used oven cleaner for cleaning anything as it leaves no residue - just rinse in water afterwards - washing up liquid leaves a residue (keeps your ceramics/glass looking nice).

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92 - now available
Post by: RussellH on December 07, 2013, 04:23:39 PM
Hi Guys,

Finally - its all here and available. Only taken 18 months!

Kit consist is...
Resin shell profesionally moulded by CMA Moldform Limited from a 16 micron master.
FUD battery box with recess for etched serial numbered ID plate.
FUD insulators, buffer beam and 3rd rail pickups.
Stainless etch for windscreen, side windows and grills.
This suits farish pantos but dapol ones can be used (the longer arm touches the box just behind the panto well)

Most question will have already been answered in the thread - somewhere! Make sure you have a good read and understand the chassis mod required - its not too bad but the screws are tiny. If your up for changing the diodes to get the shell right down mention this as I have some slimmer ones - will require good soldering skills to change these - but only required if you want to keep the lighting function of the PCB.

To follow are cab inserts for those who dont want to recycle the class 60 interior. I'll post some CADS of this later plus more photos.

You will need a class 60 chassis, pantos, paint, window material, and modelling skill to finish this. Its not RTR and will require cleaning and preparation prior to painting to get the best finish. Lighting is entirely upto you - the area behind the lights has been kept clear and the cab insert will keep the area clear.

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

So far Iv got etches for 30, and 50 resin shells BUT will do more if required.

£46 inc UKpost. (Chris has given permission for this to be advertised here)
(for overseas it will be fully recorded delivery at cost or have it shipped to a friend in the UK for onward shipment etc)

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Ben A on December 07, 2013, 07:00:39 PM

Hi Russ

That looks great!   Good value too...

A couple of questions:

1)  Does the cab windscreen glazing require separate panels to fit across the moulded centre pillar, or a single strip as in the TPM Class 60 kit?

2)  How do I order??

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Mark Pelham on December 07, 2013, 07:11:43 PM
Hi Russ,

Great news and, as Ben says, how can we order them?

I would also be interested in the replacement diodes as well please.

Cheers,

Mark
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Stevie DC on December 07, 2013, 07:13:48 PM
Russ that looks fantastic!  8) A bit out of period for my tastes but good luck with this - I'm sure it will be a great success for you!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: EtchedPixels on December 07, 2013, 07:16:59 PM
Up for two definitely...
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on December 07, 2013, 07:20:10 PM
Hi Guys

Cab front glazing is single section as per the TPM60.

PM me for details. (Ben Iv already PM'd you)

Regards
Russ

Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Only Me on December 07, 2013, 07:58:49 PM

Hi Russ

That looks great!   Good value too...

A couple of questions:

1)  Does the cab windscreen glazing require separate panels to fit across the moulded centre pillar, or a single strip as in the TPM Class 60 kit?

2)  How do I order??

cheers

Ben A.

I get the feeling i'll be needing to get out the dremel and soldering iron very soon then? :)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: unidan on December 07, 2013, 08:00:40 PM
Looks superb, well done Russell and team
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Skyline2uk on December 07, 2013, 08:09:45 PM
Congrats on the result guys, impressive.

Way beyond my skills at the moment, but I will try to be good enough one day to do this justice  :thumbsup:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: swoopinghawk89 on December 12, 2013, 08:05:44 PM
that looks fantastic, Ive got the 60 to go with it as well :)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: njee20 on December 12, 2013, 10:02:47 PM
Got mine today, looks fantastic! Now need some sort of donor model to practice my painting so I can do it some sort of justice!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: carre55 on December 14, 2013, 08:07:38 PM
Well i got my transfers for it today but was out when the postie came with my kit just got to get the polo mint etches cant seam to find them  any ideas folks
Thanks in advance
Paul
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: njee20 on December 15, 2013, 12:21:53 AM
Sure someone said BH Enterprises did them, admit I couldn't see them on their site though.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: carre55 on December 15, 2013, 09:56:07 AM
Found em there on shawplan site
Channel tunnel logos
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: unidan on December 26, 2013, 10:14:34 AM
Lucky enough to get one of these just in time for Christmas, requires abit of fettling but is going to be well worth it, stunning model, most realistic 92 in N
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: njee20 on January 08, 2014, 11:45:49 AM
So what colour are the triple 'grey' EWS 92s, like this one:?

(http://img1.photographersdirect.com/img/11903/wm/pd2885360.jpg)

I know originally they had blue roofs (same blue as Eurostar?), hard to tell if they still do, or were they repainted into a standard grey?
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: unidan on January 08, 2014, 12:05:58 PM
rail grey lower, flint grey upper although you might have to cool these down slightly as I found they were abit too warm.  roofs are still blue under all that grim on top I believe, ive used mainline or drs blue mixed with black in the past
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: red_death on January 08, 2014, 12:38:52 PM
Still blue, under a lot of grime.  You can just make out clearly the blue on the panel behind the door after the yellow - it obviously gets cleaned by the washers more effectively than the rest of the roof!

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: njee20 on January 09, 2014, 09:28:00 AM
Great, thanks both!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Ben Line 457 on January 16, 2014, 09:32:14 PM
Have just revisited his thread for the first time in a long while and have to say that the pictures of the kit look absolutely exceptional.

The obvious question now is what is next on the agenda?
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on January 19, 2014, 08:51:57 PM
Hi Benline

No next - not yet - just the ones that are underway to progress - Cowans crane, KUA & KXA nuclear flask wagon, flask crane, 11 varieties of scrap wagons. On the back burner if anyone want one is the HOWT wagons (to go with the MPV) plus china clay hoods etc. Too many projects started to trying to finish some.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: bridgiesimon on January 20, 2014, 10:54:51 AM
Having seen these first hand, i can cnfirm that these are awesome. Despite being way out of region for me with no plans for 3rd rail or overheads, i am considering one!!

Way to go guys!!
Simon
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on January 29, 2014, 11:00:36 AM
Hi Guys

Iv now got cab interiors (to save you trashing a perfectly good class 60 shell) - any one who's already bought a 92's, that would like a pair please PM me.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: EtchedPixels on January 30, 2014, 06:57:25 PM
Hi Guys

Iv now got cab interiors (to save you trashing a perfectly good class 60 shell) - any one who's already bought a 92's, that would like a pair please PM me.

Regards
Russ

If I've already got a trashed 60 body and cabs does it buy me anything over using the existing ones ?

Alan
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on January 30, 2014, 07:00:19 PM
Hi EP

If you have printed cabs interiors you can re use the 60 body if that lights your candle? Its close to the 60 cab in detail but sized for the resin shell.

Your call.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: StufromEGDL on January 30, 2014, 07:48:32 PM
Hi Gang,

So does anyone know of a source for the transfer style nameplates for triple grey liveried Class 92s???

Later,
Stu from EGDL.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: carre55 on January 30, 2014, 07:53:53 PM
I got mine from precision decals just shoot a email saying you want n gauge before you order
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on May 18, 2014, 09:57:39 PM
thought it was worth posting this pic of my nearly completed 92 at the taunton show....

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: red_death on May 19, 2014, 04:10:39 PM
Russ

That looks like excellent finishing.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on May 19, 2014, 05:11:58 PM
Hi Mike

Thank you - I'll pass the compliments onto MK1 who did that wonderful paint job - All Iv done is stick the front windows in (this is a printed master thats had a paint job). etch frames still to do...

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: dr deltic on May 19, 2014, 06:26:09 PM
Looks great.

Certainly gives a more expensive offering a run for its money!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Tank on May 19, 2014, 09:57:09 PM
Stunning!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: bridgiesimon on December 30, 2014, 10:47:14 AM
Ok guys, just bumping this topic.

I have now acquired a kit and plan to start it pretty soon. the parts are superb and look like I will,hopefully, end up with a very god looking model. I only hope that I can do it justice!!

As soon as I acquire the few extras such as the logos, nameplates and pantographs I will make a start and begin a new thread following its construction warts and all.

Best wishes, hope you had a great Christmas and HAPPY NEW YEAR (almost!!!!)

Best wishes

Simon
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: bridgiesimon on December 30, 2014, 11:00:29 AM
OK, being thick, no nameplates needed, they are vinyl names on these machines - oops!!!

Simon
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: PostModN66 on December 30, 2014, 11:05:57 AM
Frustratingly I can't see any of the photos on this thread - I get a litle brown box saying "Sorry, you are not allowed to view this image...."

Have I been naughty?   :(

Cheers  Jon  :)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: bridgiesimon on December 30, 2014, 11:54:55 AM
no, same with me, I will ask russell to try and sort/add them again. I have seen his 92 and it looks superb!!

Best wishes
Simon
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: bridgiesimon on December 30, 2014, 01:13:50 PM
OK,. another question -

any ideas where I can get some EWS yellow beasties vinyls?

Can I presume the issue with EWS transfers permissions still is causing issues, nothing EWS on Fox transfers for starters.

Best wishes
Simon
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: robert shrives on January 04, 2015, 02:53:46 PM
Hi the Yellow beasties and EWS suchlike logos have been struck by DBS wanting large royalities for producing accurate reproductions, as a result  Fox has ceased to retail items.

Sadly now like Hens teeth at swap meets and the like.

Robert     
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: BernardTPM on January 04, 2015, 03:05:40 PM
Perhaps anyone wanting EWS transfers would write to DBS and ask them to make them, seeing as no-one else can afford the fees.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: PostModN66 on January 04, 2015, 04:04:53 PM
I would love to see some of the more recent pictures of this....anyone know of a way? (can't view any of the pictures in this thread)

Cheers Jon  :)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on January 04, 2015, 04:27:56 PM
Hi Jon,

~30 class 92 kits sold - zero photos thats Iv seen of any of those - I dont know why.

The reason you cant see any of my phots in any thread is that I deleted all of my non NGF phots during a period of "unrest" a while back prior to quitting. Seems to have settled down satisfactorily so I'll repost the few phots of the painted prototype.

Regards
Russ

Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on January 04, 2015, 06:51:52 PM
All relevant phots for the 92 as requested....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_20116.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20116)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_20117.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20117)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_20118.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20118)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_20119.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20119)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_20120.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20120)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_20121.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20121)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_20122.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20122)

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: PostModN66 on January 04, 2015, 07:51:59 PM
Thanks Russ.....

Looks fab!   When I have got through my to do list of EMUs...!!!!

Cheers  Jon  :)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: porkie on January 05, 2015, 05:35:39 PM
Wow just caught up with this thread.

It looks a stunning kit. Are their any left instock?
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on January 05, 2015, 05:43:18 PM
Yep, still available - Pm me if interested.

Russ
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: robert shrives on January 07, 2015, 01:28:29 PM
Hi Gang,
Just to say thanks to Russell, 92 kit arrived just a few minutes ago via Royal Mail. A lovely resin body and 3D print cab parts, belly tanks, insulators along with a lovely etch for window frames. A little bag has 3rd rail show beams and brass horns.

Now what livery ? I fancy a large logo blue as rule one applies per my avatar!
lads at work thought GBRF or Scotrail livery for sleepers - First Scotrail aka the 90 spring to mind - choices, choices... might need a ficticious nameplate.
Something like xxx primary school rail safety 19xx or perhaps with sleeper theme a highland name ...
Robert   
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: acko22 on January 07, 2015, 07:28:59 PM
Russ,

Got my kit this morning and Class 60(s) on route from Buffers at 2 for 100 notes bloody hell yes please! Back to the class 92 build what have you used / where did you get the euro tunnel circles from??

Acko
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: red_death on January 07, 2015, 08:16:11 PM
IIRC Shawplan used to do the Chunnel rings (or BHE might have some stock).

That's a great deal on the 60s!

Cheers, Mike

PS I'll sort out your DEMU membership no. once I've had some tea!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: acko22 on January 07, 2015, 08:21:25 PM
OK I must have been completely blind didn't spot them on shawplan and after a second look I have found them (let the abuse follow  :smiley-laughing:)

Yeah I was tempted to get a few extra to keep hold of and sell for a little extra but not my style and cant be bothered!
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on January 29, 2015, 01:15:16 PM
Just in case anyone misses it, in the NGS 1/15 journal on page 25, bottom of second paragraph, this project actually got a mention!! a whole sentence!!

"And the class 92 loco has been pursued as a 3D printed development"

Russ




Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Tank on January 29, 2015, 01:27:15 PM
Can't wait to have a look. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Newportnobby on January 29, 2015, 03:19:20 PM
Just in case anyone misses it, in the NGS 1/15 journal on page 25, bottom of second paragraph, this project actually got a mention!! a whole sentence!!

"And the class 92 loco has been pursued as a 3D printed development"

Russ

It's high time you were sentenced, Russ :laugh: ;)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Tank on January 29, 2015, 05:42:26 PM
Have just had a read of the journal.  It's good to see that the Class 92 and Cowans Sheldon 75t crane are in the top 12 for wanted models.  I think it was a shame that there wasn't a plug for the forum in the journal to show NGS members the 3D projects on here, but perhaps I'm biased.  ;)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Skyline2uk on January 29, 2015, 06:33:06 PM
Quote
Have just had a read of the journal.  It's good to see that the Class 92 and Cowans Sheldon 75t crane are in the top 12 for wanted models.  I think it was a shame that there wasn't a plug for the forum in the journal to show NGS members the 3D projects on here, but perhaps I'm biased.  ;)

Very much agreed Tank  :NGF:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on January 29, 2015, 09:34:07 PM
Have just had a read of the journal.  It's good to see that the Class 92 and Cowans Sheldon 75t crane are in the top 12 for wanted models.  I think it was a shame that there wasn't a plug for the forum in the journal to show NGS members the 3D projects on here, but perhaps I'm biased.  ;)

Impressive stuff to sum up all the class 92 work in one sentence - must remember it!

Anyway, the poll - is it me or did the class 40 and TPO stowage simply vanish when the bottom section was being arranged?

The class 40 even had 81 votes and pipped the 92 and will fit in the diesel/electric category.

Russ



Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: robert shrives on April 20, 2015, 05:22:49 PM
Well, made start on mine , I have sanded bodysides to remove the very small amount of lining casued by the printing process appearing in the resin body - given a dusting in primer, some more flash to be removed from cab windows.
I have some midnight teal ready to go.
Robert     
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Cazadoom on May 08, 2015, 06:53:59 PM
Hi RussellH .. do you still have some of the kits left?
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: StufromEGDL on May 08, 2015, 08:15:16 PM

I have some midnight teal ready to go.
Robert     

Hi Rob ,

Got a source for the paint?... I could do with some!!!

Regards,
Stu fron EGDL.
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: bridgiesimon on May 25, 2015, 07:26:20 PM
Hi RussellH .. do you still have some of the kits left?

Yes Russel does still have them so give him a PM and I am sure he will be able to sort you out. If you do not hear anything, I am heloing him with his layout on Saturday so can double check.

Best wishes

Simon
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: Newportnobby on May 25, 2015, 08:10:51 PM
I am heloing him with his layout on Saturday so can double check.



Must be a big layout to require a helicopter to get it there :goggleeyes: ;)
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: bridgiesimon on May 25, 2015, 09:44:14 PM
I am heloing him with his layout on Saturday so can double check.



Must be a big layout to require a helicopter to get it there :goggleeyes: ;)


hehehe, oh dear time to learn to type and proof read me thinks!!!

Simon
Title: Re: 3D Class 92
Post by: RussellH on May 04, 2019, 03:13:38 PM
Hi Guys

Decided to put this for sale on shapeways in case anyone needs one....

Regards
Russ
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