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Title: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Mr Sprue on February 16, 2020, 09:12:18 AM
I'll wager the runway was not the only place to get skid marks after that landing!  :goggleeyes: :D

https://www.facebook.com/speedbirdtv/videos/151031975886703/ (https://www.facebook.com/speedbirdtv/videos/151031975886703/)
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Skyline2uk on February 16, 2020, 09:38:52 AM
When big birds like that struggle, you know the approach is on the verge of being un-usable.

Actually very stable right up until the moment before touchdown when he starts to float. To me looked like he floated so long he was marginal on calling it and going around.

Still, managed to sink ok whilst resisting the urge to dip the nose, main wheels down and stand on the rudder before nose wheel and reverse thrust.

Good job.

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Newportnobby on February 16, 2020, 10:16:31 AM
All those whingeing about having their flights cancelled should be forced to watch that.
Hats off to the skill of all pilots :admiration:
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Philip. on February 16, 2020, 10:46:18 AM
The plane actually looked as though it was hovering  :o :o incredible skill from the pilots.
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 16, 2020, 11:32:26 AM
I'll wager the runway was not the only place to get skid marks after that landing!  :goggleeyes: :D

Yep, they do say adrenaline's brown
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Bealman on February 16, 2020, 11:42:23 AM
Had a similar experience in New Zealand a few years ago, except it was taking off, rather than landing.

Got into the air sideways off the runway.

Always pays to carry the brown trousers!
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: scottmitchell74 on February 16, 2020, 12:28:38 PM
The pilot is a stud!
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Mr Sprue on February 16, 2020, 02:35:00 PM
When big birds like that struggle, you know the approach is on the verge of being un-usable.

Actually very stable right up until the moment before touchdown when he starts to float. To me looked like he floated so long he was marginal on calling it and going around.

Still, managed to sink ok whilst resisting the urge to dip the nose, main wheels down and stand on the rudder before nose wheel and reverse thrust.

Good job.

Skyline2uk

I think things could have maybe gone a bit tits up had the aircraft ballooned!  Awesome display of side slip in the final approach though.
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Skyline2uk on February 16, 2020, 02:37:16 PM
Well quite.

The float seems to last a few seconds but didn’t see him gain any altitude. I always wince for tyre life when I see these, big old puffs of smoke even on a sodden runway.

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Mr Sprue on February 16, 2020, 04:44:28 PM
Last time I spoke to Dan (Deserthound) he was telling me those birds have five pilots on long haul, I wonder which of them drew the shortest two straws to land that 600 ton beast!  :)
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Lawrence on February 16, 2020, 08:14:27 PM
A lot of new rubber needed after that landing, well scrubbed those mains. It was all going so well until the last 100ft, when the pilot took over from the computer  ;)
Seriously though chaps, that is exactly the sort of thing they spend hours in the simulators for, I have seen experienced front line fighter crews coming out of a 45 min sim slot sweating and totally drained such is the level of training.
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: class37025 on February 16, 2020, 08:22:03 PM
The pilot is a stud!

or maybe a STUDDESS  >:D
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Mr Sprue on February 16, 2020, 08:37:35 PM
The pilot is a stud!

or maybe a STUDDESS  >:D


If it was an Emeriates A380 then quite possible it could have been Dan! :admiration:
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: chrism on February 16, 2020, 08:39:11 PM
Not a plane this time, but another hairy arrival expertly executed;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-51522580 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-51522580)


These guys also know what they are doing. I was on one once coming back from Harris to Skye and he came steaming into Uig Bay at quite a rate of knots, to the extent that I was starting to wonder when he was going to slow down. Just as we drew level with the pier he gave it a lot of "left hand down a bit" and round the ship slewed and slowed before the stern drifted neatly in against the linkspan with no further adjustment required.
I think he might have docked there once or twice before  ;)
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: scottmitchell74 on February 17, 2020, 03:00:30 AM
No possible way I get on that ferry, even with a female pilot/captain!  :D
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: emjaybee on February 17, 2020, 09:44:45 AM
On the plane subject, I've often wondered why they don't use steerable main gear like they've got on B52 bombers. It allows the bomber to come in nose into the prevailing wind, sideslipping in the runway direction, whilst the gear is lined up with the runway. So the B52 basically lands at an angle, then straightens up once it's safely down.

https://youtu.be/TCUHQ_-l6Qg

It's a brilliant solution.
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Skyline2uk on February 17, 2020, 10:33:42 AM
Some civil aircraft (A380 included) have some form of steering on the “main” gear, but it’s the axels that’s steer rather than the entire gear swivelling like on the B52.

Main reason for differences will be weight (both of the gear itself and the overall aircraft).

Max landing weights on A380s can be around 600 tons (rare, tested for emergency situations) so the gear must be very robust. There are actually 4 sets of “main” gear (two body, to wing mounted) on the Superjumbo and getting those to swivel would be, erm, interesting....

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Newportnobby on February 17, 2020, 10:55:16 AM
Not a plane this time, but another hairy arrival expertly executed;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-51522580 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-51522580)


Holy Moly! :goggleeyes:
That reminds me of so many IoM Steam Racket ferry trips to the TT. Many times they had to crane bikes off (and many times they dropped them!)
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Young Bulla on February 17, 2020, 12:28:47 PM
Not a plane this time, but another hairy arrival expertly executed;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-51522580 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-51522580)


Holy Moly! :goggleeyes:
That reminds me of so many IoM Steam Racket ferry trips to the TT. Many times they had to crane bikes off (and many times they dropped them!)
Back in the early seventies my parents car was craned on to one of the old passenger ferries due to impending strike action, only problem was they hadn't paid the fare for my sister, just hid her under a blanket in the back, so she and the Morris 1100 she was in got an impromptu view across the bay!
She's never been back since.
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: railsquid on February 18, 2020, 12:33:59 AM
The pilot is a stud!

or maybe a STUDDESS  >:D

Possibly Sophie or Shamia?

Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Bealman on February 18, 2020, 02:40:44 AM
Fly the friendly skies!  ;)
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: red_death on February 18, 2020, 10:38:37 AM
A mate of was on an A380 during Storm Ciara which aborted at Heathrow at pretty much the last minute - there's footage somewhere on YouTube and it looks terrifying!
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Skyline2uk on February 18, 2020, 10:45:18 AM
A mate of was on an A380 during Storm Ciara which aborted at Heathrow at pretty much the last minute - there's footage somewhere on YouTube and it looks terrifying!

Who was he flying with? Some of the flights that originated in Dubai that day ended up very diverted indeed (Germany and Spain for example), only the “lucky” ones ended up in Manchester.

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: red_death on February 18, 2020, 12:34:26 PM
Who was he flying with? Some of the flights that originated in Dubai that day ended up very diverted indeed (Germany and Spain for example), only the “lucky” ones ended up in Manchester.

Skyline2uk

Qatar IIRC and got diverted to Manchester.  Here's the link: https://youtu.be/Gln7T-xxE4k?t=11699

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: B757-236GT on February 18, 2020, 12:52:24 PM
I agree its impressive but the A380 handles it very well despite it size and weight. Knowing the point at which he touched down he was well in for length available and I suspect his speed in relation to ground was also quite low which probably helped and even when at MLW it will pull pretty quickly even with just twin reverse thrust. Just check out the EK ones landing at BHX or HAM and then you will see regular strong crosswind performance. In fact occasionally the middle east carriers their TOW is the less than MLW such is the relative short distance they cover. Certainly under testing with a proportional load it will pull up in the same distance as an A320.

I personally felt sorry for 737NG pilots as they are a high speed landing plane (in comparison to others) and aren't the best at pulling up once on the ground either thanks to "having the aerodynamic properties of a brick" (quoted from a Ryanair pilot) who flies into Bristol.

They is video of a Qatar one going round and looking at his placement he was going to struggle if he carried on so would it have been that one. Thats followed by a United B777 which actually looks spot on but decides to go around which to me shows good CRM as the pilot was not a 100% happy so broke it off and id much rather have a pilot do that than get fixated on landing in a particular place.
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: chrism on February 18, 2020, 01:00:41 PM
Thats followed by a United B777 which actually looks spot on but decides to go around which to me shows good CRM as the pilot was not a 100% happy so broke it off and id much rather have a pilot do that than get fixated on landing in a particular place.

Like they say, the sign of a good pilot is one with the same number of takeoffs as landings - especially when after the latter the plane can be used again  :D
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Bob Tidbury on February 18, 2020, 06:58:28 PM
So DessertHound was it you in that plane if so don’t be modest that was an amazing landing ,if it wasn’t you we all think that the pilot deserves everyone’s thanks so pass on all our thanks to him or her .
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Mr Sprue on February 18, 2020, 08:11:05 PM
So DessertHound was it you in that plane if so don’t be modest that was an amazing landing ,if it wasn’t you we all think that the pilot deserves everyone’s thanks so pass on all our thanks to him or her .
Bob Tidbury

He's the skipper of an Emirates A380 Bob!  ;)
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Bob Tidbury on February 18, 2020, 08:17:59 PM
Mr Sprue yes I know I met him at T I N G S and followed him taking off from Heathrow and then land at Perth .
I watch Flightradar24 on my IPad sometimes .
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Mr Sprue on February 18, 2020, 09:00:52 PM
Mr Sprue yes I know I met him at T I N G S and followed him taking off from Heathrow and then land at Perth .
I watch Flightradar24 on my IPad sometimes .
Bob Tidbury

That video I posted was of an Etihad Bob .....But this take off may have been our man at the controls!

Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: JonHarbour on February 19, 2020, 01:15:41 AM
The Emirati lady A380 pilot for Etihad  (Aisha Al-Mansouri) is an absolute poster-girl in the UAE. Why wouldn't she be?  She's a great example for the country and its attitude to women in the workforce. There's an interesting article from the Gulf News newspaper here (https://gulfnews.com/uae/meet-the-emirati-female-pilot-who-flies-a380s-one-of-the-worlds-largest-passenger-aircraft-1.63352632). When I worked there (roughly 20 years ago  :goggleeyes: ), female Emiratis were only starting to make their way into the workforce. The ones I worked with were every bit as good as their male counterparts and were probably a little keener - they wanted to 'prove' they could do the job well - and they did!

There were some interesting side effects of them entering the work force. When I was single, none of them would speak to me directly in case their reputation was questioned - if they need to speak to me, they always brought a 'chaperone' with them! Once the word got out I was getting married, their attitude changed completely, since I was now considered 'safe'!
Title: Re: Storm Dennis A380 Landing!
Post by: Bob Tidbury on February 19, 2020, 01:25:03 PM
Sorry Mr Sprue I thought he was a pilot with Eliad it was quite a few years ago and I don’t have his message to me with flight details .
Bob Tidbury
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