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Title: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: Newportnobby on January 15, 2020, 09:27:02 PM
I'm looking to get a couple of these neat looking and useful wagons and am torn between the Farish 377-776 which I believe to be era 4 and so fine for my transition era, or the weathered Peco NR7EW which is almost half the price of the Farish one. Trouble is, I've been searching around and can't find what era the Peco one is. Can anyone help with this please?
Also, what have folks used for scale N gauge pipes please?
Title: Re: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: port perran on January 15, 2020, 09:48:00 PM
Hi Mick

I use brass tubing that you can pick up in metre lengths from B&Q.
Cuts nice and easily into wagon length pipes.

Martin
Title: Re: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 15, 2020, 09:49:26 PM
Meant to be Era 5 Mick, however I think they should be grey for era 5.

These in bauxite I think carry markings more suited to BR blue.

I have a few grey and used 1.5mm copper rod with a 1mm collar of 1.5mm plastruct rod on the end (has a larger OD and fits over the end of the copper) to represent the socket end on clay underground pipe, painted a shiny brown colour to mimic salt glaze.
Title: Re: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: zwilnik on January 15, 2020, 09:56:42 PM
I use drinking straws with thin strips of masking tape wrapped around the ends to make the thicker connecting bit for my pipes.
Title: Re: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: Newportnobby on January 15, 2020, 10:25:04 PM
Meant to be Era 5 Mick, however I think they should be grey for era 5.

These in bauxite I think carry markings more suited to BR blue.

I have a few grey and used 1.5mm copper rod with a 1mm collar of 1.5mm plastruct rod on the end (has a larger OD and fits over the end of the copper) to represent the socket end on clay underground pipe, painted a shiny brown colour to mimic salt glaze.

Yeah - they are bauxite but have no brake piping so would be unfitted? :confused2:
Seems to confound the 'grey = unfitted' and 'bauxite = fitted' theory

Thanks to you @exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099) @port perran (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230) @zwilnik (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=8) for your suggestions.
I do like the idea of drinking straws/masking tape as I have all the materials to hand and, more to the point, cheapness!! :D
Title: Re: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: zwilnik on January 15, 2020, 10:34:29 PM

Yeah - they are bauxite but have no brake piping so would be unfitted? :confused2:
Seems to confound the 'grey = unfitted' and 'bauxite = fitted' theory

Thanks to you @exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099) @port perran (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230) @zwilnik (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=8) for your suggestions.
I do like the idea of drinking straws/masking tape as I have all the materials to hand and, more to the point, cheapness!! :D

wrap them entirely with masking tape and plug the ends (tape/clay/plasticine etc.) and they make great logs too :)
Title: Re: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: tunneroner61 on January 15, 2020, 11:02:33 PM
Mick, I don't think the Peco ones are actually real Tube wagons. If you look at Paul Bartletts wagon site you will see that the tube wagons he has photoed are a bit different https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=tube%20wagon . None of the wagons here seem to have the lower centre section. The picture of the wagon on Hattons shows an anchor so that's a ferry wagon perhaps not what you want.

You takes your choice ..
Title: Re: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: tunneroner61 on January 15, 2020, 11:07:52 PM
Towards the end of steam and the run down of the non braked wagon fleet I believe all wagons got painted bauxite at overhaul, even non braked ones so things got confusing from a livery point of view.
Title: Re: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: Newportnobby on January 15, 2020, 11:12:52 PM
Mick, I don't think the Peco ones are actually real Tube wagons. If you look at Paul Bartletts wagon site you will see that the tube wagons he has photoed are a bit different https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=tube%20wagon . None of the wagons here seem to have the lower centre section. The picture of the wagon on Hattons shows an anchor so that's a ferry wagon perhaps not what you want.

You takes your choice ..

Thanks, Norman. The description of the Peco one is a Ferry Tube wagon........
https://railsofsheffield.com/products/17822/peco-nr-7ew-n-gauge-nr7ew-ferry-tube-wagon-bauxite-weathered-

Towards the end of steam and the run down of the non braked wagon fleet I believe all wagons got painted bauxite at overhaul, even non braked ones so things got confusing from a livery point of view.

That's a fair point :hmmm:
Title: Re: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: zwilnik on January 15, 2020, 11:16:10 PM
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Mick, I don't think the Peco ones are actually real Tube wagons. If you look at Paul Bartletts wagon site you will see that the tube wagons he has photoed are a bit different https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=tube%20wagon . None of the wagons here seem to have the lower centre section. The picture of the wagon on Hattons shows an anchor so that's a ferry wagon perhaps not what you want.

You takes your choice ..



The Peco kit ones are more like the old GWR ones in Paul Bartlett's photos I think.
Title: Re: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: Steven B on January 16, 2020, 09:21:41 AM
Hattons list it as era 6 which is pre-TOPS BR blue; the wagon does carry a TOPS code though so should be at least era 7. The TOPS code and other markings suggest it's trying to be a dual braked ferry wagon.

Peco's N Gauge wagons have never been factory fitted with brake pipes so looking for them whilst looking for a grey or brown paint scheme is a waste of time.

That said, being brown and mucky it won't look out of place on an era 5 layout. Buy it and enjoy it.

Steven B
Title: Re: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: Newportnobby on January 16, 2020, 09:55:12 AM
Great info. Thanks All.
Title: Re: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: Paddy on January 16, 2020, 12:54:34 PM
I am not sure how accurate any of the PECO wagons are.  Most seem to have been designed to fit a standard 10 or 15 foot chassis.  Having said that, the are cracking little models and reasonably priced.

Also, you can buy the excellent PECO wagon kits for well under 10 if you feel up to a bit of modelling.

Kind regards

Paddy
Title: Re: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: maridunian on January 16, 2020, 01:05:54 PM
I am not sure how accurate any of the PECO wagons are.  Most seem to have been designed to fit a standard 10 or 15 foot chassis.  Having said that, the are cracking little models and reasonably priced.

Also, you can buy the excellent PECO wagon kits for well under 10 if you feel up to a bit of modelling.

Kind regards

Paddy

Under  a fiver!  (https://www.petersspares.com/peco-quality-line-wagon-knr-7-15ft-wheelbase-open-wagon-wagon-kit.ir) The photo shows how easily they fit together.

I'm a big fan of these models. On Wrenton, @rogerDB 's used these kits without worrying too much about numbering, etc and they really do look at home (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=38682.msg473972;topicseen#msg473972).

Mike
Title: Re: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: Rabbitaway on January 22, 2020, 09:35:22 PM
I have built a lot of Peco kit 7 plank and tank wagons using Robbie's Rolling Stock transfers

They turn out really nice, and are less than 6 each including the transfers

The odd thing is their 9ft wagon kits are expensive!


Title: Re: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: belstone on January 23, 2020, 01:54:10 PM
Those Peco wagons are getting on for fifty years old now but still have their place: nice crisp body mouldings, close coupled, free running and a good bit cheaper than the superdetailed Farish equivalents.  The 15 foot wagons came first, I think in 1968.  I believe they were originally designed by British Trix but Peco did a swap for the Mk1 coaches they had been working on.  Hence the hard nylon wheels which was a feature of Trix wagons at the time.  The grain wagon was a half-size version of the Trix OO gauge one and had a very accurate chassis with correct springs, brake gear etc:  all the other 15 foot models except the brake van had their dimensions butchered to fit the grain wagon chassis. The tube wagon is as others have said based on a Ferry Tube (rare beast in itself), but a bit shorter than it should be.  The underframe detail on the Peco model is a lot closer to a Ferry Tube than a standard Long Tube which is probably why Peco chose it.  The 10 foot wagons are a bit closer to scale although the 7 plank and mineral wagons should really be on 9 foot chassis and the cattle van only takes Dexter cattle due to being two feet shorter than it should be.

For my 30-35 wagon trains on "Stobs" I will mainly be using Peco 10 footers, either complete wagons or underframes with NGS kit bodies.  I don't think I could afford a train of that length using Farish models, nice though they are.

Richard

Title: Re: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: Newportnobby on January 23, 2020, 04:00:56 PM

For my 30-35 wagon trains on "Stobs" I will mainly be using Peco 10 footers, either complete wagons or underframes with NGS kit bodies.  I don't think I could afford a train of that length using Farish models, nice though they are.


Nor me, but I'm just 'padding out' a pick up goods
Title: Re: Pipe/tube wagons
Post by: Newportnobby on February 01, 2020, 10:00:24 PM
After some uncharacteristically slow service from Rails I finally have the wagons mentioned above.
Both look excellent, with the Peco weathered one looking suitably grimy - enough for me to think I could get away with it on my era 5 layout.................

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/264-010220215604-870062412.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/264-010220215602-870062227.jpeg)

Damn the camera - shows my track needs a clean :-[
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