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Title: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on November 22, 2019, 11:44:57 AM
So, after getting some sound advice from the Layout Planning group, I have started building the baseboards for my first layout.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/8024-221119113132.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84234)

This layout is based on Bayswater railway station in Victoria, Australia. This site was selected because of the inclusion of a small rail works at this location (and partly having also grown up in the eastern suburbs of Melbourne, not far from this rail line).

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/8024-221119113456.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84235)

For ease of construction, the baseboard will be built in two parts each measuring 1200 mm by 600 mm which will be joined end to end. The baseboards themselves will be 6 mm marine ply (AA Grade mixed hardwood marine plywood), but this will be built upon with additional layers of (non-structural) plywood such that the baseboard will vary between 6 mm and 12 mm across the layout. These baseboards will be mounted on 19 mm x 89 mm pine frames with dovetail joints - It is these pine frames that I have started work on this evening and have set the first corner this evening.

I plan to update this thread as this build processes.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: chrispearce on November 22, 2019, 06:12:10 PM
An Australian project! This will be an interesting addition to the NGF. Good luck with this and I will follow your progress with much interest. Thanks for sharing.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: LASteve on November 23, 2019, 05:04:37 AM
This is looking to be a very cool project. Did you really say dovetail joints on your baseboard frame? I'm happy if I can screw two bits of wood together without hurting myself. Good luck with the construction and keep us updated with progress, we're an inquisitive lot.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on November 23, 2019, 07:09:31 AM
Did you really say dovetail joints on your baseboard frame? I'm happy if I can screw two bits of wood together without hurting myself.
Yes - While they are in no way any piece of genuine craftsmanship, I have set myself the task of trying to do this layout "right". Even now as I look at the first frame, I'm thinking that I might redo it to give myself a little more space from the outset. I figure that this would be easier than trying to find or extend the baseboard to incorporate this space later on. In any event, this first frame has given me my first practice at woodwork joints in nearly 30 years, so that's a little positive to take out of the exercise.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: weave on November 23, 2019, 10:25:01 AM
Hi rob_au,

You seem to have had lots of different posts and I was losing track (no pun intended) but now your in 'layout construction' welcome aboard and looking forward to your build.

Will be great to see something a bit different.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: RailGooner on November 23, 2019, 10:43:06 AM
Yes, I'm really looking forward to watching this layout develop. Australian prototypes are definitely underrepresented on here.
 :beers:
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: Bealman on November 23, 2019, 01:03:23 PM
Well we are down Under  ;)
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: Graham on November 23, 2019, 10:48:18 PM
even in our local shows it is very rare to see a Victorian n gauge layout.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on November 26, 2019, 10:22:16 AM
After a little re-work, I have completed the baseboard for this layout.

Baseboard
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/8024-261119100623.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84369)

I wasn't happy with the support given by the 6 mm marine plywood, so I switched this out for some 9 mm equivalent. The 6 mm will be used for the implementation of the very gradual slopes (all <1%) which will be incorporated into this layout.

Baseboard - Dovetail Joint
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/8024-261119100757.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84370)

They proved to be quite time consuming to set, but I'm really happy with how these came out. While working on these, I kept reminding myself that if I want this layout to be something that I will be happy to play with for some time, I need to be happy with each step along the way and avoid short-term compromises.

Baseboard - Additional Bracket
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/8024-261119100928.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84371)

I put an additional bracket under each corner of the frame to provide some additional stability to the frame corners.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/8024-261119101723.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84372)

I have also played with the layout a little further - including migrating it from SCARM to AnyRail - and made the decision to have the fiddle yard on a separate base board so that I can play with and to this further without compromising the focus of the layout on the main baseboard. This should probably also be interpreted to mean - "I want to play with part of the layout design a bit more"

The next task will be to start to map out the different layers and components of the layout on this baseboard. I'm hoping to get started on this before I have to travel for work at the end of the week.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: Bealman on November 26, 2019, 10:47:09 AM
That is superb work, but without being disrespectful, is it over engineering?

I used 4 x 2 timbers as supports for my layout, and realised they were really not necessary.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on November 26, 2019, 11:01:37 AM
That is superb work, but without being disrespectful, is it over engineering?

Oh, it quite probably is. However, I have a tendency to be a perfectionist and were I not to put the effort in now, I *know* that in a year's time I would be looking at the board and cursing myself for not having put more care and effort into the endeavour. In this way, I figure that putting the effort in now, will prevent me getting discouraged later on.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: RailGooner on November 26, 2019, 11:43:25 AM
..
 I have a tendency to be a perfectionist and were I not to put the effort in now, I *know* that in a year's time I would be looking at the board and cursing myself for not having put more care and effort into the endeavour. In this way, I figure that putting the effort in now, will prevent me getting discouraged later on.

I know exactly what you mean. There are models that I made decades ago - omitting some unseen interior detail so I could meet a deadline - that still haunt me.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 28, 2019, 09:33:42 PM
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign:
   Looking good   :thumbsup:
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on December 14, 2019, 09:15:22 AM
So, after having to travel for two weeks for work, I have been able to work further on my layout. I have now added foam board and inline risers to add the track levels and gentle gradients associated with this layout.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/8024-141219090047.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85101)

The photo below shows the two percent (2%) inclines which lift the mainline track to 3 mm (0.5 m scale height) above the baseboard and the curved incline which lifts the branch track to the level of the rail works yard and carriage sidings 12 mm (2 m scale height) above the baseboard.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/8024-141219090247.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85102)
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on December 19, 2019, 05:03:48 AM
So, after an expensive trip to a local hobby shop, I have almost all of the points for this layout (only one further SLE397F point to get) and have found another shop where I hope to visit this weekend where I can pick up the SL302F flex track that I also need. In the meantime I have filled and smoothed gaps in the foam risers and painted the portions of the baseboard and elevated levels where track will be laid with a matt black. It's starting to get to the exciting part were I will actually be able to run a locomotive on the layout while its under construction.

Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: Newportnobby on December 19, 2019, 12:05:22 PM
I really would recommend some tracksettas, Rob, not least a straight one (or two)!
You won't need the full set so I'd suggest you just select the ones you think will be most useful.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401935419142 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/401935419142)
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: chrispearce on December 20, 2019, 05:21:53 AM
I've just looked your prototype up on Google Maps. It is a through station. Are you modifying it to run as a terminus or is it part of a circuit?

Work so far looks very good and your carpentry is immaculate. Your baseboards will last forever! :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on December 20, 2019, 08:13:56 AM
I really would recommend some tracksettas, Rob, not least a straight one (or two)!

Good idea!

I went to pick up the remaining track that I need for this layout today but forgot about this advice. In my defence, I also forgot the additional joiners and wire that I also wanted to get and somehow acquired a HO locomotive and some track that are going to be part of a smaller, side layout project. For which I also forgot to get rail joiners.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on December 20, 2019, 08:17:00 AM
I've just looked your prototype up on Google Maps. It is a through station. Are you modifying it to run as a terminus or is it part of a circuit?

Work so far looks very good and your carpentry is immaculate. Your baseboards will last forever! :goggleeyes:

It's a through station, but I am leaving it unchanged. Unfortunately there are some space constraints that I need to work with. Besides, I figure that there is enough in the design that allows me to play with layout and operation "as is" without getting bored.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: Graham on December 20, 2019, 08:23:53 AM
Hi Rob,

Will you be looking to exhibit it once ready?

Graham
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on December 20, 2019, 08:39:01 AM
Will you be looking to exhibit it once ready?

I hope so, but there is so much to do before I can even begin to think about that.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on December 20, 2019, 10:07:42 AM
So, I have started to add the track underlay ...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/8024-201219100533.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85264)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/8024-201219100637.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85265)
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on December 25, 2019, 12:22:46 AM
After a few evenings of concerted effort, I have now laid all of the underlay and tracks.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/8024-251219001308.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85406)

This includes this set of connected points which required some modification from my plan as AnyRail over estimated the practicalities and available space for fitting these points so close together. Nevertheless, space has additionally been cut for throw-bars and under board point solenoids.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/8024-251219001935.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85408)

Each piece of track has at least one set of wires soldered to its underside. Any track longer than 30 cm (1 foot) has a set of wires soldered at either end.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/8024-251219001656.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85407)

Next job will be to connect the under board wiring and ensure smooth running over all of the rails.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on December 28, 2019, 12:18:12 PM
After connecting all under board wiring, I was able to successfully run a locomotive over the layout without any shorts. I say "a locomotive" when in reality, I only have a single N scale locomotive at this stage - Graham Farish 371-877A (https://www.bachmann.co.uk/product/graham-farish-class-108-2-car-dmu-br-blue-grey-371-877a/ (https://www.bachmann.co.uk/product/graham-farish-class-108-2-car-dmu-br-blue-grey-371-877a/)) - purchased for the memorabilia value as it reminded me of a locomotive that I had on my HO scale layout as a kid. This locomotive ran smoothly over the tracks and paused on only three of the seven points in the layout, but this is to be expected at this stage as I have not installed any switches or provided switchable power to the point frogs. Nevertheless, with the lack of shorts or dead sections of track, I consider this to be a highly successful first test of the layout.

I am now at a point where I need to spend money - for the DCC control system, point motors and the stationary point decoders that I want to run. As such, progress on this layout is likely to slow while I prepare for this expense. However, I have productive in the mean time.

One of the focal points of this layout will be the engine works shed. This is a photo of the corresponding prototype:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/8024-281219120304.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85495)

This shed is going to be scratch built on this layout using styrene sheets and edging from Evergreen and Plastruct. This shed is going to be placed on smoothed "concrete" surface with the tracks through the shed itself "cut" into the "concrete" surface. However, not having done such a build before, I decided to spend this evening to build a rough representative model out of paper card. I decided on this course of action so as to experiment with the size and placement of the shed on the layout (and ensure that any mistakes in cutting are performed with inexpensive card as opposed to styrene sheet).

Some pictures:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/8024-281219120916.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85496)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/8024-281219121118.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85497)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/8024-281219121234.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85498)

This evening of card scratch building has already been fruitful in that is has allowed me confirm desired measurements - such as the space between the two track entries to the shed needing to be narrowed - ahead of the styrene build. I will look to do the same with the more complicated station island and station building elements of this layout.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on December 31, 2019, 11:43:51 AM
While I have taken some liberty with the colour of the shed roof (and might still redo this in the same green as the corrugated shed walls), I am really happy with how this styrene scratch-build has come out, in particular the roof (although perhaps not the colour).

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/8024-311219113555.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85611)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/8024-311219113716.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85612)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/8024-311219113836.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85613)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/8024-311219114319.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85614)
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: chrispearce on December 31, 2019, 11:50:42 AM
An excellent job Rob. Roof looks great as it is but I see what you mean.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 31, 2019, 12:01:00 PM
Nice build @rob_au (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=8024) is it not legislation in Oz that roofs are red or us that only in certain parts????

Looks like a sun bleached red tin roof to me!!!!
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on December 31, 2019, 12:06:59 PM
An excellent job Rob. Roof looks great as it is but I see what you mean.  :thumbsup:

Thanks Chris and Craig.

The roof was actually very time consuming as each of the roof seams and the top/end cappings are separate strips of styrene that have been glued in place. Additionally, the roof (and indeed the shed as a whole) needed to be built in multiple parts due to the length of the shed (40 cm) exceeding that of the source styrene sheets.

Irrespective of whether I re-colour the roof, I will also be looking to incorporate some roof objects (like air conditioners/fans) and some internal lighting/detail to add to the realism of the layout.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 31, 2019, 12:14:29 PM
Rob, not much use to you now, or even if they ship to Oz let alone whether it will be cost effective but 2 of our sheds were 600mm long and 1 is 2METRES!!!!!!!

I use E.M.A model supplies from London.

I use their 0.8mm styrene sheet that's 650mm x 300mm in dimensions and they do corrugated sheet as well.

Plain sheet is very cheap, corrugated for the same size was about 18 / $36-40 bucks!!!! But when your building to a big dimension definitely worth it.

Their website is fantastic for EVERYTHING styrene related!!!

Leave the shed for a few days, if you can work on other parts of the layout without looking at it everytime thinking it's the wrong colour you can live with it!!!
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on December 31, 2019, 12:24:58 PM
Rob, not much use to you now, or even if they ship to Oz let alone whether it will be cost effective but 2 of our sheds were 600mm long and 1 is 2METRES!!!!!!!

I use E.M.A model supplies from London.

Thanks for the tip Craig. I'm having a look through their web site now and it looks like they will ship overseas, but will calculate shipping manually after an order is placed. Definitely bookmarked for future reference.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on January 12, 2020, 11:19:13 AM
So after leaving the shed for a few days, the colour of the roof and some errors in construction were really starting to bug me. So I started a second build to see if I could fix or address these. I am much happier with the result.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/8024-120120105842.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86025)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/8024-120120105939.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86026)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/8024-120120110034.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86027)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/8024-120120110125.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86028)

The main "itches" that have been "scratched" in this rebuild:

Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: Graham on January 12, 2020, 10:09:48 PM
that is looking good Rob.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: Bealman on January 12, 2020, 10:16:30 PM
Wot Graham said.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on January 26, 2020, 11:01:43 AM
This evening has been spent doing some scratch building for this layout. This work has focused on the auto-shop at the rear of the layout (marked):

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/8024-260120104756.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86619)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/8024-260120105117.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86620)

I used the Google Maps satellite image for dimensions and the Google Street view above as guides, along with a photo which I took of the side of the building from one of my visits to Bayswater Station:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/8024-260120105516.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86621)

And so, the results of my scratch build efforts this evening:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/8024-260120105945.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86622)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/8024-260120110038.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86623)
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: Graham on January 27, 2020, 04:44:00 AM
looking good Rob.
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on April 28, 2020, 09:14:00 AM
After purchasing an NCE PowerCab system two months ago and finally purchasing my first DCC enabled locomotive (unpainted NSWGR 48 class locomotive from Gopher Models - which I am considering installing a new shell on to turn into a VR T class locomotive), I was able to run a train on this layout, using DCC for the first time yesterday!

My initial thoughts:

Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: rob_au on May 08, 2020, 01:40:24 AM
Good news! I received notification yesterday that my order of point decoders from DCC Concepts has finally been shipped. This means that I will be able to finalise the track electrical wiring and finally be able to progress this layout.

Is it wrong that because of this delay I am actually looking forward to weathering track and ballasting?  :)
Title: Re: Bayswater Station - Victoria, Australia
Post by: Bealman on May 08, 2020, 01:46:06 AM
Yes, Rob, I'm afraid it is. Looking forward to ballasting? Major mistake.

But don't worry, there are people on this forum who actually find it therapeutic  :worried: ;)

Good news about the pending delivery, though.  :thumbsup:
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