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Title: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 23, 2019, 10:35:06 PM
Evening All, well I'm in no way suggesting I can weather and model to some of the extremely high standards by many on the forum BUT the last few days I've been trying to work through the quite reasonable amount of stock we have for our layout so rather then buying more and more to run the decision was made to make sure everything we had is ready to run once wiring is complete.

The cattle Van's have obviously been seen before but these are 2 out of the 51 ready to go, the right hand one is just box fresh for comparison. 7 are still waiting for decals but a shipment from Fox is on it's way so will get them finished and then I have my first 50 wagons to run.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-231019222520.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83103)

Being SR, banana traffic was still quite plentiful during our time period, so having a mixture of Graham Farish fruit Van's and some Peco Fyffees branded to run together it made sense 14 of these were next on the bench.  I'm quite happy with how the Peco ones have weathered, pretty much the same as the way their cattle vans did. The GF one (right hand side) has been weathered with the same materials and in the same process but it seems to of taken a sheen over it which is something I'm going to have to work out why because I have a good amount of GF wagons that will be weathered and will maybe have to adopt a different process to tone them down.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-231019223240.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83104)

Any suggestions, recommendations and criticism welcome
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: RailGooner on October 23, 2019, 11:20:53 PM
..
 I'm in no way suggesting I can weather and model to some of the extremely high standards by many on the forum
...

Then I will! :wonderfulmodelling:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: longbow on October 24, 2019, 12:33:52 AM
Interesting. What weathering process are you using - washes I presume?
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 24, 2019, 06:39:21 AM
Yes, some brown, black and green washes with weathering powders and spray varnish.

I dont know why the GF one seems so shiny but 3 more are still to be finished, hopefully tonight so will see how they come out  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Bealman on October 24, 2019, 06:53:10 AM
The yellow Peco Fifes banana van is fictional, isn't it.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 24, 2019, 07:02:35 AM
I cant say definitely either way George but I do know most SR banana vans were cream coloured when built.
So unless they were in that livery for private owner but would they be that lavish with paint in the '20s and '30s  :hmmm:
I believe them to be false
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Bealman on October 24, 2019, 07:11:23 AM
Thanks, I've got a couple, because they're colourful and I like the fine crisp printing on them.

But to return to your thread, your wagons look great and will make a brilliant freight train.  :beers:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 24, 2019, 07:20:33 AM
Thank you Sir, theres a good few to get through but gets us closer to running!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on October 24, 2019, 08:52:37 AM
The yellow Peco Fifes banana van is fictional, isn't it.  :hmmm:

I think it's a model of a model :

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-HORNBY-0-GAUGE-MODEL-No-1-8-TON-FYFFES-BANANA-VAN-/302797749250 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-HORNBY-0-GAUGE-MODEL-No-1-8-TON-FYFFES-BANANA-VAN-/302797749250)

There are others...

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Bealman on October 24, 2019, 08:59:10 AM
Gawd! I had that model running on tin plate track at a million miles an hour when I was about eight years old!!!

Are they worth anything?

Sorry, thread hijack. Interesting, though.

Sorry, Craig!  :beers:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 24, 2019, 09:04:53 AM
No apologies needed, all stuff worth reading!!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on October 24, 2019, 09:35:59 AM
Gawd! I had that model running on tin plate track at a million miles an hour when I was about eight years old!!!

Are they worth anything?

Could be...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/2947-241019092143.png)

Long discussion  over there  (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/148332-real-banana-vans/&tab=comments#comment-3700151)

Mike


Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Bealman on October 24, 2019, 10:00:34 AM
Eeeeek!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Newportnobby on October 24, 2019, 11:03:52 AM
Those prices are just bananas.
Note the spelling of Fyffes, George ;)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on October 24, 2019, 11:24:51 AM
The Peco BR Banana vans are nicely printed, but I'm baffled as to why they used their ventilated van body for this, as opposed to their own refrigerated van, which although lacking diagonal strips, looks to be a much closer match:

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbanana/h28ce3503 (https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbanana/h28ce3503)

https://peco-uk.com/products/refrigerator-box-van (https://peco-uk.com/products/refrigerator-box-van)

Mike

Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: martyn on October 24, 2019, 01:44:31 PM
Over twenty years ago, I did in fact use the Peco reefer van as the basis for some Banana vans.

They're still in use...…..together with some more recent Farish ones.

Martyn
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 24, 2019, 06:28:10 PM
Following a conversation with @martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447) today it would appear the information box on the wagon side of the Peco banana vans are incorrect for my time frame.

The text style is listed to of been introduced in 1957 however various sources have questioned this and it appears BR began using this style after 1964!!!!

To late for me to run!! Now it is only a text box and most people will accept that and ignore it, and on this rake I am probably tempted to do exactly that. However with the various other faults with the actual van itself I am wondering whether to build and decal a rake of time frame prototypically correct banana vans  :uneasy:

So for the time being this rake will be tucked back in the tray ready to run and I will move  onto another set of wagons while a bit more research is done into banana vans for 1959 -63.

Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: martyn on October 24, 2019, 06:34:15 PM
@exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099) -you only need to change the numbering, rather than building a whole rake! At 'normal viewing distance' it would be almost unnoticeable.

The difference between the Peco reefer van and an LNER banana are small; I can't remember exactly what, but I think it only amounts to some thin bracing on the side, but there are two small ventilation panels on each end to change, for better accuracy.

An easier conversion is the BR diag 242 van (built 1952-56); this just needs the thin strapping on each side, from the roof /side corner diagonally downward to the base of the doors. A photo dated 3/63 shows the yellow circle on the LHS, with the Fyffes, etc, on RHS.

Martyn.

Addendum-the Peco van looks to be very close to the final BR design, diag.246 (built 1959/60).
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 24, 2019, 06:57:27 PM
I'll set my research and development executive (better known as my dad) who this layout is actually for!! To spot the differences between them and decide what we do, the unfortunate thing is he will say to ignore it and just run them, I think hed be happy with an oval trainset. Mind you at least that would be running  :D

Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: class37025 on October 24, 2019, 07:24:31 PM
Craig ........

relax ........

use RULE 1  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 24, 2019, 07:30:18 PM
My version of Rule 1 or the widely accepted and recommended version of Rule 1????

 :-[
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 25, 2019, 07:47:29 AM
Can anyone recommend a very good detail airbrush??

I have a decent compressor and spray booth with ventilation ducting all sorted and 4 airbrushes.

Problem is now I've got my new compressor I cant seem to get any of them to provide a very nice small thin line. I've changed to 0.2mm needle and nozzle and air pressure right down but I cant seem to get the spray pattern I want.

I spent so long trying to set them up for priming so I can cover wagons quite quickly in primer and full colour coats but detail for weathering is where I'm struggling.

I want to buy a good new airbrush and not change it, get it set for the small works and leave it.

I could keep playing around changing one that I have but I think it's easier and less hassle to just buy a new one.

No preference of make or amount to spend so happy to buy cheap if one can come recommended.

 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Bealman on October 25, 2019, 08:13:02 AM
I prefer the previous advice.... relax!  ;)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: martyn on October 25, 2019, 09:15:06 AM
Craig;

I rarely use an airbrush, but was given this site by another member of the Forum when I needed spares;

https://www.everythingairbrush.com/airbrushes.html (https://www.everythingairbrush.com/airbrushes.html)

You may find ideas there; I phoned them and got a very good reply and suggestions to my enquiry.

martyn
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: N_GaugeModeller on October 25, 2019, 09:31:16 AM
The recomend an Airbrush minefield is almost as big as the recomend a Hi-Fi minefield

Many will recomend one of the hi end Iwata models and you would bo no wrong in following that advice.  Some years ago I was into military modelling and needed a few different airbrushes for base coats and super fine detail and also ended up down the Iwata route, I then see a recommendation for a cheap obvious Iwata clone from China under the Veda brand name, at the time IIRC they were about £15 compared to the equivalent Iwata which was over £200.  I just for the fun of it bought 2, one with a 0.2mm needle set and one with a 0.5mm needle set.

After testing them I sold all my Iwata brushes and still use the Veda brushes today.

Unfortunately someone in China decided to clone the Veda brushes and the ones you see sold today are not as good as the original maker.

Not much help I know, but whst I am saying is you don't have to spend a fortune if you don't want to, to get a good brush

If you do want to then that's ok. ;)

NGM
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 25, 2019, 10:15:52 AM
I don't think I'm worthy of a £200 airbrush.
 :no:

I read one description about one capable of producing 1mm lines, (which is perfect for what I want) but then came the crucial line

"When skill allows"

And that is the vital thing, very good people can work wonders with cheap stuff and clueless people fail with the most expensive.

I'm quite happy to buy a cheap one to try to get satisfactory results for me, so it was just a throw out see if anyone can tell us good things about one they expected to be useless which didn't cost the earth
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on October 25, 2019, 04:13:26 PM
... the equivalent Iwata which was over £200 ...

Iwata-ing indeed!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 25, 2019, 07:16:52 PM
Well I managed to track down a 0.2mm airbrush from a company that shipped with Royal Mail so at least I'll receive it for less then £20 so that will give me something else to try and master.

As with most families ours does have and has had many members serve with the forces  :claphappy: ours were RAF and RAAF over the last 80years even my gran served her country! Being Southern Region modellers and big Bulleid fans Battle of Britain locomotives are plentiful for our layout. We also have photographs linking the Household Calvery to Okehampton barracks and taking plenty of their horses on summer vacation to the moors. Much of these pre date the second war and there is no definite date as to when they stopped this great movement of horses from central London to Okehampton, most of which were transported in cattle wagons!!!!

We right now have a very good professional relationship with the Animal Defence centre and MOD rehabilitation programmes although for obvious reasons that isn't very common public knowledge at this moment in time. We do know plenty of MOD horses are now brought by truck up from London to Melton Mowbray for their summer break and rehabilitation. So with our somewhat limited knowledge of their 'pre war activities' but our knowledge of their 'current vacation plans' we plan to run a Waterloo - Okehampton express with 10 BR horseboxes and a couple of coaches for personnel and a SR luggage van for tack.

This is one of the 10 horseboxes that is now ready to be coupled onto some coaches ready for the journey.
I am hoping that some standard  yellow coach numbers will be the correct size to allow 6 to be renumbered.

This is my first step between weathering wagons and before I attack my great stock of coaches. Again the right hand is box fresh for comparison

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-251019191356.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83187)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: martyn on October 25, 2019, 08:38:31 PM
Nice start, Craig.

if you go to another of David Hey's webpages

http://www.davidheyscollection.com/page87.htm (http://www.davidheyscollection.com/page87.htm)

and scroll down just a little you will find a colour photo of 30246 at Guildford shunting green horse boxes. It could help you with weathering ideas.

martyn
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 25, 2019, 09:05:23 PM
Thanks @martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447) i do especially like the recently replaced lower ramp on the first box!!!

Roof colour variation is worth noting too!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 26, 2019, 12:56:35 PM

Now here's a dilemma. Our oil trains consist of revoloutioN Regent class B tanks and GF Esso 14T tanks. We have 15 of each BUT I dont fancy weathering a revolutioN tank as I'm very inexperienced and not sure I'm mastering it all that well  :doh: and as they were particularly hard to get hold of I cant afford to ruin the best wagons we own!!!!

The only tanks I have to practice on are 7 peco Express tanks that are very incorrect for our time frame seeing as though they are on a 4 wheel chassis being one very big problem of a few!!!

So this is my first attempt at weathering an oil tanker rather then the milk tank it appears to be. I'm relatively happy with it but it's only a £5 peco wagon that I wont ever run. I've got various pictures of Regent tanks and Esso branded 14T to try to vary the process but just wondering if it looks right to others????
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-261019125329.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83212)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 26, 2019, 01:33:25 PM
craig
looks realistic what with the milk residue, rust stains, discharge stains, really well captured and the lettering picked out
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Newportnobby on October 26, 2019, 01:50:27 PM
Looks fine to me, Craig, bearing in mind milk tanks could look filthy on the outside but were spotless inside. I'm sure not many folks would drink contents of a fuel tank wagon :no:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 26, 2019, 02:01:51 PM
Yeah I have milk tanks to do but they need serious weathering so will wait to master more before attempting them.

Thanks chaps, not sure I'm confident to attempt a Regent class B just yet so I'll condemn another milk tank to make sure their going the right way!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 26, 2019, 04:14:46 PM
I think I've got this one better!!!!  :hmmm:


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-261019161407.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83215)

Has anyone else been brave enough to weather any of their revolutioN class b tanks yet??????
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Papyrus on October 26, 2019, 04:28:59 PM
I think I've got this one better!!!!

Just as good, I would have said! They are both excellent - far better than my clumsy efforts. Every wagon would be weathered to a different degree, so both your tankers would look absolutely right in a mixed rake.

 :greatwork:

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 26, 2019, 04:42:31 PM
Thanks Chris, they were the sacrificial lambs towards working up the courage to attempt to weather my revolutioN class Bs.

So I bit the bullet after lunch and tried one of the unbranded versions I have because I'm still to scared to ruin them  :'(

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-261019164145.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83216)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: RailGooner on October 26, 2019, 04:50:20 PM
Absolutely love it! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on October 26, 2019, 04:52:37 PM
These look good to me. Only small change I would suggest is satin rather than gloss spillage, depending on cargo and recentness of the spill.

NB that 'oil' tanks come in two basic types, Class A for volatile spirits (eg crude oil, ethanol, petrol, diesel, kerosene) and Class B for heavier oils (fuel oil, lube oil, bitumen). Spirit spills leave less residue, and can even have a cleaning effect!

Have a look at these:

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=class+a (https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=class+a)
https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=class%20b (https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=class%20b)

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 26, 2019, 05:04:49 PM
 :thankyousign: @maridunian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2947) these will carry Fuel oil and yes my Oil stain is gloss so will matt it down a bit once its dry, that picture was literally just after I'd applied it and got it on the rails.

Having just placed another class B upto it, I have coupled them using N brass screwling couplings, has anyone ever coupled a complete train with these??? They will run in their complete rakes and wont be shunted as the refinery is a good 80 mile down the line but these fantastic wagons do look amazing prototypically coupled!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects (now progressing to buildings)
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 28, 2019, 06:47:58 PM
Right well as I wait for decals and detail parts for current projects I thought I'd have a go at weathering a building.

All of our buildings are scratchbuilt as we weren't lucky enough for any manufacturers to think anyone would want to model our location. The buildings are going well but all will need weathering as it was 50s Britain and steam covered everything!!

Even worse then weathering a revolutioN class B is attempting to weather a building you've only built one of and unless you commit another 50 hours into it your not getting another.

I found a line side hut kit in the box a long time ago, built it and it was the first thing I'd primered with my airbrush and it sat on the bench for probably 9months.

So yesterday I thought I'd give it a lick of paint. This wont actually grace the layout but it gave me wood, stone doors and windows and a slate roof to practice on.

It's a bit run down and more suited to late 70s abandoned BR hut from the past.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-281019184540.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83306)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-281019184604.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83307)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-281019184625.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83308)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-281019184648.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83309)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 03, 2019, 10:13:48 AM
It's all been a bit quiet this week for me, the pain of work got in the way!! I mean it's only because of working 70hr weeks I can build this but it doesnt half upset the progress  :laugh3:

So working through my NGS kit 22 Shark brake vans.  I have 3 of these to build and 1 was always going to be a bit experimental, however all 3 have in one way or another.

Following the instructions you are meant to cut a 2mm section out of the chassis to create a 9ft wheelbase BUT fitting the running board extension pieces you are still short of the ends which shouldn't be the case. So the next one I built on the packet fresh unmodified 10ft chassis  :jawdropping: and this virtually solved the gap!

So the third one was built exactly the same. While trying to find information relating to these I found a very detailed picture of one on the Epping Ongar Railway of which they must own copyright to this picture, it certainly isn't me but it is available on google so I will assume it's safe to add here  :confused2:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-031119100423.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83497)

Note the crimson internal paneling and cream surround on the internal wall panels, I cant find out how these left the works and whether this is a genuine colour scheme for our time period but I like it.

Number 2 was already matt black internally so left that and once the roofs fitted  :o shock horror you cant see what's what. I've tried to weather the ploughs using different techniques and they seem to be pretty acceptable. The handrails I have picked out in acrylic because I couldn't wait for my tin of enamel  :no: as I've applied the second coat the first has peeled up which is why they look very poor so they will get addressed.
Vacuum pipes fitted, hopefully the right way around!! And instead of making wire couplers I've fitted coupling hooks and brass screwlink couplers which I will test on the oval to see if they can satisfactorily be pulled on these.

Still details to address and the gap to the roof line but a very nice kit to build.

Left hand is 'in work condition' still to be fully weathered. The right is 'ex works condition' with the crimson interior.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-031119101200.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83498)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: RailGooner on November 03, 2019, 11:08:45 AM
..
Following the instructions you are meant to cut a 2mm section out of the chassis to create a 9ft wheelbase BUT fitting the running board extension pieces you are still short of the ends which shouldn't be the case.
...

Interesting point Craig. I've a kit that has been stalled for a ~decade at the point were the 2mm section is removed. The uncut chassis already looks very short to my eye for the specific prototype I'm modelling - of which I've only ever seen one photo, now lost. I may never be certain enough to proceed with it.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 03, 2019, 11:16:05 AM
The bottom 2 of mine in the picture are both sat on unmodified chassis and from what I can tell the axle boxes dont seem too far way from where their meant to be. The ploughs finish in a satisfactory position to allow coupling so for the sake of 2mm I'd build it, like I've said before if someone can spot I've got a wagon 2mm longer then it should be they'll be able to find plenty of other faults.

If your not happy with it on a 10ft chassis a new replacement is £4 so your not losing anything by trying. The  van part of the kit is fantastic and can be built totally independent of which ever chassis you mount it on  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: PaulCheffus on November 03, 2019, 01:47:31 PM
Hi

When I built mine I cut the chassis in half then filed the middle until they fitted between the buffer beams after attaching the supplied extension pieces to the buffer beams.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: My rolling stock/building projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 06, 2019, 10:05:12 AM
Morning All, well as the wait for detail parts continue and time is still hard to find I thought I'd crack on and build a large water tower from the ratio kits range.

Chopped it about so the door was on the end rather tjen the back BUT with these massive windows, which on the original were bricked up in photos but we believe that to of been done at the same time they knocked the steel box off the top, so modelling it with the windows still in the building WHAT was inside the room downstairs?????

I dont think an empty room is acceptable when the windows are that big.


 :thankyousign:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-061119100444.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83616)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: martyn on November 06, 2019, 10:21:44 AM
Quite often this was either a stores or a crew/fitters mess room and toilets. I not actually familiar with Exmouth Junction shed layout, but this would be a best bet for me.

Martyn
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 06, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
Thanks @martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447) just a couple of false walls and junk then  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: joe cassidy on November 06, 2019, 11:23:04 AM
Presumably there was a pump somewhere to put water into the tank ?
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: bridgiesimon on November 06, 2019, 11:48:45 AM
A building like that would have been pretty dirty anyway so with a bit of smeg on the windows, you would not be able to see through them anyway.

Good looking model by the way.
Best wishes
Simon
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Steven B on November 06, 2019, 12:05:09 PM
I'm sure there was somewhere on the Settle and Carlisle where the room under the water tank was used as stables for the railways horses.

On the Worth Valley railway the room under the water tank at Keighley is used for storing unused signalling equipment.

Steven B.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: crewearpley40 on November 06, 2019, 01:01:09 PM
Steven im sure its appleby
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Paddy on November 06, 2019, 02:22:34 PM
It's all been a bit quiet this week for me, the pain of work got in the way!! I mean it's only because of working 70hr weeks I can build this but it doesnt half upset the progress  :laugh3:

So working through my NGS kit 22 Shark brake vans.  I have 3 of these to build and 1 was always going to be a bit experimental, however all 3 have in one way or another.

Following the instructions you are meant to cut a 2mm section out of the chassis to create a 9ft wheelbase BUT fitting the running board extension pieces you are still short of the ends which shouldn't be the case. So the next one I built on the packet fresh unmodified 10ft chassis  :jawdropping: and this virtually solved the gap!

So the third one was built exactly the same. While trying to find information relating to these I found a very detailed picture of one on the Epping Ongar Railway of which they must own copyright to this picture, it certainly isn't me but it is available on google so I will assume it's safe to add here  :confused2:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-031119100423.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83497)

Note the crimson internal paneling and cream surround on the internal wall panels, I cant find out how these left the works and whether this is a genuine colour scheme for our time period but I like it.

Number 2 was already matt black internally so left that and once the roofs fitted  :o shock horror you cant see what's what. I've tried to weather the ploughs using different techniques and they seem to be pretty acceptable. The handrails I have picked out in acrylic because I couldn't wait for my tin of enamel  :no: as I've applied the second coat the first has peeled up which is why they look very poor so they will get addressed.
Vacuum pipes fitted, hopefully the right way around!! And instead of making wire couplers I've fitted coupling hooks and brass screwlink couplers which I will test on the oval to see if they can satisfactorily be pulled on these.

Still details to address and the gap to the roof line but a very nice kit to build.

Left hand is 'in work condition' still to be fully weathered. The right is 'ex works condition' with the crimson interior.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-031119101200.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83498)

Hi @exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099)

They look really good and like you I would not worry about the 2mm if it all goes together OK.  Rather keep the build simple and robust.

Great tip.  Just a shame they are out of stock at the NGS.  :(

Paddy
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 06, 2019, 07:12:17 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-061119190314.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83628)

Rain dictated a relatively early day for me today, we are finally starting to dry up after being considerably under water for the last 4 weeks, every time we have more then 4hrs rain everything disappears under water, the house is like a scene from WWII with our barricade of sandbags at every door!!!  Mrs EC is outside working till 9.30 earning us some hard earned so I shot into the relatively warm railway room to crack on.

This has now had a few coats of this and that and a bit of dusting and weathering. I've never weathered anything before so this is all trial and error.

I painted a course of blue bricks for the damp, obviously it should be 3 courses but these bricks are hugely over scale so 1 will do. It's hard to know what's enough. It was still in work as we still had steam and I think railway men of the late 50s were still passionate about their industry so i think this is probably as tatty as it would realistically of got but happy to be corrected either way  :hmmm:

I'm quite happy with the brickwork but think the tank needs a bit of variation of colour so the scrap tins out again and I'm trying a bit of a technique and see about applying that later.

Mistakes and corrections are invited, and even a bit of praise is appreciated if its deemed worthy  :)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on November 06, 2019, 07:25:08 PM
Hi Craig - that looks great. The brickwork and tank are fine, but the currugated roof's still rather pristine. Maybe some rust at the ends/edges of the sheets? Perhaps not as bad as this:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/2947-061119192313.jpeg)

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 06, 2019, 07:28:32 PM
Thanks Mike, the roof is still something I want to work on. Luckily for me our own barn has a curved corrugated roof, and is of 1974 heritage so showing its age, I plan to photograph it when I can get in the field to be able to use that as a guide as to how to weather such a roof.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: emjaybee on November 06, 2019, 08:28:22 PM
I think your water tank looks bloomin' great.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 06, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
Roofs had a bit of a dusting now so hopefully toned it down a bit.

Catwalk and handrails added, only been black painted and not weathered yet. Still got depth gauge and pulley wheel to fit.

Glazing now added but will need dirtying up.

Access ladder to add and then a final weather over the whole building.

The roof is 2 sections joined together but the joint is very visible. Placed an order with DCC supplies today and stuck a bottle of Deluxe Materials Perfect Plastic Putty on the order so will give that a whirl and weather that section back in. Hopefully it will be good and work as well as they advertise.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-061119222621.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83649)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on November 07, 2019, 06:18:10 AM
Roofs had a bit of a dusting now so hopefully toned it down a bit.


Very nice - much better.

The roof is 2 sections joined together but the joint is very visible.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-061119222621.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83649)


Maybe more "joins" needed? I use masking tape on these roofs to pick out individual sheets. Mask, weather some sheets, move mask, repeat.

The result's not very clear in this picture; I'll try to take a better one later.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/80/2947-140819093156.jpeg)

Mike

Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 07, 2019, 06:49:45 AM
Yeah I get what you mean @maridunian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2947), this is a proper recess rather then a sheet joint.

If I fill it I can carve a corrugation into it, the sheet joints I'm working on so think another quick blow over and weather individual sheets.

This one was another sacrificial lamb, try to get an idea of weathering brickwork and buildings.

I  could do with some proper scale embossed brickwork sheets and scratch build one to the proper dimensions.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: martyn on November 07, 2019, 08:12:04 AM
Hi Craig;

yet more excellent work.

For brickpaper, Steve Wright uses Scalescenes for  'James St; he reckons its the best he's found.

martyn
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: springwood on November 08, 2019, 01:34:25 PM
On the subject of wagons, I am looking to build up a rake of 46te HEA hoppers in BR Railfreight livery, as per this link

https://www.hattons.co.uk/18109/graham_farish_373_507_46_tonne_glw_hea_hopper_wagon_in_railfreight_livery/stockdetail.aspx (https://www.hattons.co.uk/18109/graham_farish_373_507_46_tonne_glw_hea_hopper_wagon_in_railfreight_livery/stockdetail.aspx)

I have an option to buy (second-hand), some very similar hoppers but would be looking to convert them to the example on the above link. It would be my first venture into this, so looking for suggestions on what paints to use to closely resemble those on this wagon as it was originally produced. I guess we've got three colours to consider here; the red, the grey and the black for the frame? Additionally, where might I obtain the BR logo, Railfreight writing and the little warning symbol? Thank you
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: tunneroner61 on November 08, 2019, 04:47:03 PM
For paint try Railmatch or Precision. Available in model shops or online.

For the transfers try Fox or Railtec. Only available on line I think.

Other suppliers are available - just use Google to find them,

HTH Norman
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 10, 2019, 03:57:12 PM
Well a while back I hinted about trying something on my 700 Blackmotor that I wssnt going to say anything just in case it didn't work out.

Well after a morning out at a Remembrance Day Parade of which we enjoyed some wonderful MOD hospitality I felt I was in a chilled state of mind and able to tackle the job.

The handrail knobs were drilled out yesterday and they are just all placed in at the moment so lines not perfect. But the problem is getting the right curve around the Smokebox door  :veryangry:  :censored: :veryangry: Luckily I ordered quite a few packs of wire from Nick for this very occasion!!

The other part is the brake blocks and rodding. Again the blocks are fixed but not 100% definitively where they will finish up and still need to join all the rods underneath and get fully set.

The loco will enjoy a full flat and repaint as I've made a massive mess of carving the old handrails off. Luckily for me this was a relatively cheap ebay purchase but I do wonder, as much as i admire the skills of @Dr Al (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263), @Stevie DC (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=213), @thebrighton (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=943) and many others I dont think I have the skillset to be attempting all of this. And am now questioning whether all the effort, time and money for these tweaks leave me with a better model?


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-101119155549.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83777)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: acook on November 10, 2019, 04:21:01 PM
Looking at what you have there, and its O gauge on the screen, yes they do. Very worth it.
The next one will be easier.

Alan
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: PaulCheffus on November 10, 2019, 06:14:06 PM
The loco will have the full flat and repaint as I've made a massive mess of carving the old handrails off. Luckily for me this was a relatively cheap ebay purchase but I do wonder, as much as i admire the skills of @Dr Al (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263), @Stevie DC (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=213), @thebrighton (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=943) and many others I dont think I have the skillset to be attempting all of this. And am now questioning whether all the effort, time and money for these tweaks leave me with a better model?

Hi

From the picture above I think you do have the skills and are following the right path by practising on cheap models.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Dr Al on November 10, 2019, 07:19:38 PM
Carving handrails off is always hard to achieve - I always do a full repaint as it's easier to see that the areas are fully smoothed when stripped.

Saying that though, your model looks very good to me, both handrails and brake gear.

Minor thing - wheelset looks in upside down, so make sure you invert it again before running, or it won't!

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 10, 2019, 07:43:20 PM
 :thankyousign: @Dr Al (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263)

Yeah wheelset  was dropped in to make sure I'd left enough room between the brake blocks.

I'll finish working on it before giving up and get it as good as I physically can. Like has been said from normal distance it looks better but that's not an excuse to allow poor quality work or bad attempts at details.

Etch brass and wire are certainly not the easiest to work with so the skills you have really are phenomenal

 :beers:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Dr Al on November 10, 2019, 07:49:37 PM
Etch brass and wire are certainly not the easiest to work with so the skills you have really are phenomenal

I have an extremely large swear box....  :censored: :censored:  :D :D

Cheers,
Alan

Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 16, 2019, 01:34:39 PM
Well as I'm struggling on with attempting to detail locos and putting off the wiring on the layout I thought I best have a go at a bit of scenery!

I'm going through a bit of a kit building process at the moment to practice my weathering (or attempts at) skills.

So with the water tower built and trying to make it look used and a good vintage about it, it's not going on the layout as it's too small and technically got the wrong shape roof on it, it was prime for a small diorama.

Never done one before, never done scenery before. Theres still a ladder, fencing and a few tweaks here and there but.......

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-161119133014.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83951)


John the driver has just turned up for his shift start in half an hour, seeing Richard (his firemans) bicycle leaning up against the wall hes hopeful hes currently making him a cup of tea.
Bert has managed to collar Roger the scammel driver to bore him with more tales of when "he was taking a container into town for the furniture store"  :sleep:

My matchbox lid diorama thrown out for the masses to comment either way  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on November 16, 2019, 02:24:20 PM
Looking good and you've lost the central join in the roof too. Seems a shame not to have it on the layout though!

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 16, 2019, 02:31:21 PM
Thanks mike, I built my own replica of exmouth junction coaling tower just to practice scratch building, that wont grace the layout, I have shelves filling up with unusable models
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-161119143029.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83954)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Newportnobby on November 16, 2019, 02:50:52 PM
Both look very good

I have shelves filling up with unusable models

Then build a shelf layout to put 'em on :D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on November 16, 2019, 08:29:08 PM
Thanks mike, I built my own replica of exmouth junction coaling tower just to practice scratch building,...

Wow!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 16, 2019, 08:52:00 PM
Thanks Mike @maridunian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2947) it has been seen on here before but to refresh

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-161119205029.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83976)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-161119205048.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83977)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-161119205107.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83978)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-161119205133.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83979)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 17, 2019, 06:00:43 PM
The SR actually had lines into Cornwall and actually ran freight out of there as well as the 'noisy neighbours' who history leads us to believe were 'THE Railway" well there were others that were just as good and then there was the SR which were the best!!!  :-[

I cant actually prove whether the SR did haul any china clay wagons but I quite fancied some. After finding out 5 plank wagons had been dumped for coal way back we got ourselves the 16T mineral wagons for that and I had 10 Peco 5 plank kits now technically surplus.

A good forum member, could of been Martin @port perran (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230) however it's a few years ago now so sorry if I'm wrong sent me some genuine cornish china clay.

Now, yes they should be on a 9ft chassis, yes they should have tie bars BUT as I dont even know if their 100% accurate for my metals these are 2 details we can over look.

I'd managed to loose 2 pages of brick paper in the 'office' and the only way I could think of finding them was to have a proper good clean up and sort out, I opened a box and found my 10 kits, painted bauxite and fitted to chassis, all the wheels were there in a nice container and 2 packs of SMITHS BR TARPAULIN SHEETS, absolutely no idea where I got them from but this afternoon I decided it is time to clear the backlog of wagons and get them ready for running so.....

Loads were made from tissue wetted with 50/50 PVA /water mix, scrunched up packed into the wagons and left to dry, tarpaulin sheets were cut up and glued to the load and sides before being folded around the wagon ends, and weathered with some real china clay.

They might not be accurate but I can run a rake of china clay wagons now, which hopefully they look like????


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/5099-171119175912.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84022)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: crewearpley40 on November 17, 2019, 06:09:38 PM
Looking very realistic craig those china clays. Thank you for sharing with a mini tutorial and photos. Chris
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: port perran on November 17, 2019, 06:35:56 PM
Hi Craig
Yes indeed , I did send you some clay.
Regards
Martin
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on November 17, 2019, 06:36:05 PM
Yes, love the random lumpyiness and white dusting of wagons and sheeting!

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 17, 2019, 06:40:58 PM
@port perran (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230) well thank you Martin, I've FINALLY got round to using it and brilliant stuff it is too.

Might make myself a nice china mug with the leftovers  :bounce:

@maridunian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2947) thanks Mike, amazing what a soggy bit of tissue paper can create!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: RailGooner on November 17, 2019, 07:32:49 PM
..
 thanks Mike, amazing what a soggy but of tissue paper can create!!!

I think there should be a double 't' in butt. :D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 17, 2019, 07:35:30 PM
@RailGooner (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5427)

Or an I like it should of been  :doh:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 24, 2019, 05:43:10 PM
Well as I cant get comfortable to crack on with high intensity detail jobs I thought I'd attempt some scenery.

The platforms were worked out to be

UP = 114ft long (228mm to scale)
DOWN = 244ft long (488mm to scale)

These were built using peco concrete platform edging and a layer of plasticard over the top, I'm trying to find pictures that will dictate what surface is laid on top of these.

Just at station limits we have an over road and the embankments have paths cut into them down to the platforms, typically the road is not at 90° to the track but the bridge was built out of local sandstone of random pattern.

Now yes the peco ones are tunnel mouths so we have a bit more of a round on them then necessary but everything else worked perfectly. I hacked a few up to enable the copings and corbel course all to run in line and gave her a quick paint.

No copings are needed ontop of the mid section of wall, the bank literally sits behind it and the weeds all hang over the top.

Still weathering powders and washes to go but I'm quite happy so far with the way this west face has come together. The east face is quite similar but skewed from this one, the lining section will take some working out!!!

If I struggle to get back to work this week then I might even get the station board built with track laid and scenery formed  :laugh: maybe my leg will hurt more then I think  :-X


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/5099-241119174031.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84301)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: dannyboy on November 24, 2019, 05:48:36 PM
Hope the leg does not hurt, (in real life), too much.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 24, 2019, 05:53:17 PM
Thanks @dannyboy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4209) remarkably still no pain and I can climb the stairs leading with my left so massive improvement. As much as I'd like to see this section finished I need to get back to work to pay for it all :o
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 28, 2019, 04:39:03 PM
On closer inspection and few more photos I managed to work out I'd built the west side retaining wall wrong. This was highlighted by another one showing how close to each other the platforms ended.

No drama, quick snap of the glue and it all came apart. I'd never built a bridge, let alone one skewed, or one that needed lining!!

On the UP line, a very short 2 coach platform, the loco stops right beside the west side retaining wall, hence the heavier weathering.

The lighting is still showing a slight gleam to everything so another blast with the matt varnish once it's all settled in.

Because these are tunnel mouths there is no inside face so that was filled and a few courses of brickwork put in to tidy it all up. Bridge deck still needs road surface but there were no footpaths on this bridge and today it is single file traffic so presumably it's always been quite tight in width.

The east side has much remarkably cleaner retaining walls, the ground has more of a natural slope to it and drainage is probably better.

This is one of 5 bridges to be built, the next one is just steel plate so hopefully quite easy to do.

Weathering still needs work, blending and a few more details to pick out but hopefully it looks a bit like a 85 year old (built in 1887 and we model 1960) sandstone bridge well seasoned by the steam locos plying their trade under it 200 times aday!!!
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/5099-281119163643.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84467)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/5099-281119163712.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84468)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/5099-281119163734.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84469)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Train Waiting on November 28, 2019, 05:02:05 PM
Looks an excellent job.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: dannyboy on November 28, 2019, 05:43:34 PM
Looks very realistic.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 28, 2019, 05:45:43 PM
Thanks @dannyboy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4209) I will get to hide the vertical stone joints with overhanging growth and bits once the scenery is coming together. Try and make it a bit more real!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 30, 2019, 11:50:03 AM
The Grand Opening ceremony by the local mayor is yet to happen so for now the running in board remains covered, it should of been a beautiful shade of SR Green but for some reason sky blue will have to do.

This is exactly as the platform was, the fenced recess is to allow for a platform shelter which is still on the drawing board although enough information has been compiled to know exactly what style and size it was.

Peggy and Mavis are sat waiting with their egg sandwiches waiting for the ceremony to begin (I think Christmas might come and go before that happens).

Totem signs for the lamps are made, just impossible to cover as you can read the names so they can wait till lamps are wired and scenery is finished.

Board should be built by end of next week and might even have some ballasted track.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/5099-301119114811.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84543)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 30, 2019, 04:12:23 PM
And just to prove the lights work!! Down platform has now been surfaced and fences installed. Painting and weathering on that one before lights go on and platform wise this section is ready for mounting to the board and scenery.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/5099-301119161157.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84551)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 01, 2019, 10:53:19 AM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/5099-011219104354.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84574)
Well that's it, the platforms are complete and all weathered, signage added, bench and lampposts. All that remains is the concrete and asbestos roofed platform shelter.

Road bridge is now finished after a few washes of muck and another matt varnish.

Board will be built this week, and by the weekend I hope to have the track laid and ballasted. That then leaves me 16ft of scenery to carve and cover.

I only discovered static grass a couple of weeks ago so my list to Santa has included a Peco static grass applicator, I know lots of others are cheaper and you can make your own but my local shop is a peco stockist and we have a good relationship with him so I need him to stay 15mins up the road!!! So scenery wont be complete before Christmas but it will be quite near and it will give us 8ft of mainline running over Christmas, this doesnt link up with board 2, that is nearly laid but not wired but board 3 could be built at the same time as this one (board 4) and we could then have 16ft of mainline  :claphappy:

Steady it looks like were starting to get somewhere!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 01, 2019, 11:02:29 AM
Thats a decent length to operste a train 9
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 01, 2019, 11:10:09 AM
48ft overall running length chris with helix at each end
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 01, 2019, 11:41:49 AM
Atmospheriic lights. Pleased ?%⁷
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 01, 2019, 11:46:29 AM
The lights I am extremely happy with, they are as close to original as I can physically get, £10 for 6 all wired with resistors and run faultlessly out the box.

I have wired these to an old Farish trainset controller which gives me the ability to dim them down to try an imitate a set of 1950s station lamps rather then present day LED bulbs. Bearing in mind the white slab behind the platform reflecting the light back is a piece of plasticard so with that removed and the correct scenery it should look hopefully very atmospheric and realistic
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: BRMan on December 01, 2019, 04:58:50 PM
The lights look superb, where did you source them?  I'd like to get some for my little station.

Cheers
J
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 01, 2019, 05:02:58 PM
@BRMan (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7503) layouts4u.net

Brilliant service, not massive choice but exactly what I needed. £10 for a set of 6.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 15, 2019, 06:53:43 PM
By sheer coincidence as AlanK I too had to build a steel girder bridge for the layout.

Luckily this fell exactly on a board joint, I mean it's as if some calculations were done to achieve such luck  :uneasy:

The bridge, as I've built it was the best we could work out from a handful of pictures during our timeframe. Typically the bridge was not the focus of the photographer so a bit of work was required to get the information we needed.

The council changed the road over this bridge in 1974 and consequently the bridge needed to be rebuilt, the current bridge is a concrete deck with face brickwork so totally wrong for our period.

The road crosses the track at a 30° angle so the pillars had to be built on the skew as I've tried to replicate. There are still buttresses to add and huge retaining walls on the NE and SW side so these will be worked out and built.


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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 17, 2019, 10:46:35 PM


Well the abutments have been built and brick covered, I think I've just about managed to line the courses up  :hmmm:

Coping stones will be a dirty York stone colour, ribs and rivets run underneath the deck for some reason  :o was a good trial of my patience.

Time to dismantle the deck and send it to spray booth now, only problem is being black and white photos its impossible to know what colour 1950s steel bridges were painted ???

Any ideas or recommendations welcome...... please!!!
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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: maridunian on December 17, 2019, 11:02:17 PM
Red lead's a good bet (think Forth Rail Bridge) for which Halfords Red Primer would suit. One near where I grew up was a metallic mid grey. Filthy, of course!

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 17, 2019, 11:07:11 PM
@maridunian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2947) thanks Mike, I think the red might clash with my brickwork  :hmmm: not much salty sea air about where the bridge is.

I didn't know whether a rust patched matt black and well grotty would of been what 50s Britain would of allowed it to be like ??? Like my water tower diorama I made ???
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: maridunian on December 18, 2019, 09:23:56 AM
The 50's were actually pretty austere. WW2 had exhausted the country and the rail network in particular. Rationing didn't end until 1954. Serious investment in the railways came in the 60's. Grimy is timeless; pristine is fleeting..

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Newportnobby on December 18, 2019, 09:50:14 AM
I'd suggest similar treatment you mete out to your Butterley mineral wagons, Craig, and just some soot/smoke staining on the abutments :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: dannyboy on December 18, 2019, 11:41:37 AM
That bridge looks good @exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099) . I would go with a grotty, bit rusty, grey.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 18, 2019, 08:01:35 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/5099-181219195959.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85208)

Something a bit like this?????
Still lots to do but didn't know if this was too much or not enough????
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: dannyboy on December 18, 2019, 08:32:52 PM

Something a bit like this?????


That looks quite effective.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 18, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
Thanks David, I've since found a very good picture of what I think it needs (or I can get away with it looking) so will work away at that and get my retaining walls built!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: mk1gtstu on December 18, 2019, 10:41:32 PM
Looks great @exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099) , Where did you get the bridge sides from?

Cheers, Stu
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 18, 2019, 10:49:37 PM
Cheers Stu, still not there with the weathering yet but keep working on it.

The sides have been in the 'bits box' for dad reckons at least 30 years!!! He seems to think they are Kestrel.

It was a single track deck with the steel plate sides. Rivet detail is surprisingly good, meant I had to create the ribs underneath to match!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: mk1gtstu on December 18, 2019, 10:59:19 PM
Cheers Stu, still not there with the weathering yet but keep working on it.

The sides have been in the 'bits box' for dad reckons at least 30 years!!! He seems to think they are Kestrel.

It was a single track deck with the steel plate sides. Rivet detail is surprisingly good, meant I had to create the ribs underneath to match!!!

Ok cheers, Just that I hadn't seen any around like that before, they look very nice  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: maridunian on December 18, 2019, 11:03:47 PM
Looks great. Easier to add weathering than take it off, so maybe hold for now and review when it's sitting in context?

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Papyrus on December 19, 2019, 04:03:25 PM
That bridge looks good @exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099)

Looks a damn sight better than mine...  :(

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 19, 2019, 06:18:10 PM
That bridge looks good @exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099)

Looks a damn sight better than mine...  :(

Cheers,

Chris

I'm not sure about that Chris, I haven't seen yours  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Papyrus on December 20, 2019, 01:47:23 PM
You won't now.

I'm no perfectionist, but I was so dissatisfied with it I have binned it and am going to start again!

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 20, 2019, 01:56:34 PM
I too am no perfectionist or see myself as a particularly top spec model builder.

This is very simple plasticard parallelogram structures with plastruct square rod and pier caps, plastic plate sides to slide into and covered in brick paper.

I'm currently working on my retaining walls, which are upto 650mm long to get the correct length, brickpapering that is something of a testing time!! Photos to follow!!

I'm sure the lessons learnt in the previous build will be invaluable with the next one  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 20, 2019, 02:44:20 PM
Well the retaining walls were all scaled out and they are

NE retaining wall 650mm
SE retaining wall 147mm
NW retaining wall 92mm
SW retaining wall 420mm

Both eastern walls have been built and covered, copings are currently in the paint shop so will get fitted and the walls grimed up a bit, western walls will wait for board 5 to be built!!

Bridge structure is complete, I think the weathering is as bad as I'm going to go, footpaths and road surface to add once scenery is carved to allow it all to drop in, the NE wall, (the very long one) was all very overgrown during the 50s, it has since been cleared and provides a driveway to 2 new properties that were built in 2004.

So the plan now is to carve the rest of the cellotex and give it a good skim of 1 strike filler, this is very lightweight almost aerated foam but dries rock hardand then a few coats of paint before scenery gets applied (after Santas visit)
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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 20, 2019, 02:52:15 PM
realistic thus far. at least I enjoyed the tutorial which you have provided and the photos. maybe soot staining weathering where loco chimneys pass and mortars washed with brown brick limestone effect
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 21, 2019, 04:19:52 PM
Instead of getting my layout covered in plaster, I should of started it by now BUT.......

I had a bit of a tidy up this morning and found my latest selection of decals from John at Cambridge Custom Transfers.

I had a set for my Palbrick wagons in a bunch of 6 different lots. These were my first shapeways order and I've never worked with 3D prints but I managed to get them painted and varnished ready for decals so thought I'd have a go.

I was a bit concerned that the

Wagon Number
Wagon Name
Wagon Payload

XP rating
Wheelbase dimensions
Return destination

Triangle decals wouldnt fit the wagon so tried the side panel mounted versions first. Naturally these worked a treat. CCT decals are some of the easiest to work with, once you know how little time they need.

Now all 6of these wagons are Palbrick A's so to get the numbers out of the sheet I had to try the triangular decals. I cut them as tight as I dare and gave it a whirl. They both fitted so presumably the Shapeways designer made it a very true to scale model and CCT have produced exact size decals too  :claphappy:

I have successfully used MicroSol on their decals before but never on a 3D print so might have to see how they fully dry and how much carrier film is visible.

These are just sat on Peco chassis at the moment because I still haven't bit the bullet to test my small skillset to breaking point and attempt some 2FS chassis.

A bit of a way off joining the layout but a tiny step forward with no dramas!!

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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 29, 2019, 07:27:57 PM
Well after finally getting the scenery carved on the layout, theres a typical Victorian terrace street which I thought at best would be low relief, as it turns out I can get the full street of houses in BUT the back wings will be missing just to enable the back scene to be fitted.

I've never built a Metcalfe kit before and ideally the front doors and chimneys are on opposite sides to what they are in reality but these will do for now. I did buy a pack of Metcalfe brick paper and marked up and cut out a pair of fronts but getting the cills and lintels painted was nigh on impossible so the compromise (for the moment at least) is a street of Metcalfes. They scale up perfectly for the street so that's a good enough reason for them to get built. There will be 14 in total but the other 8 are for board 3.

I was very impressed with what you get in these packs, for £8 you really would struggle to get anything better I think. They go together very well and Railmatch dark rust is a very good match for the brickwork colour.

These have been built straight out the packet BUT I'm not happy with the way the back wing roofs fit with the eaves of the main roof. 20 years as a roofer and re-roofing a good thousand of these in my working life has taught me a couple of things. Also the fact that the roofs all join like they do isn't good enough for me but we have plans!!!

The brickwork joints will all be hidden by down pipes, luckily every house had their own so no dramas there.

Like I said 10 years I spent re-roofing this type of property so although these have been built out the packet, they arent quite good enough yet, lots of little details will get added and I hope that it wont take me very long to get them sorted so you can play 'Spot the difference' and see what I've done to them.
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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on December 29, 2019, 08:38:05 PM
are we going to see a cameo of you up a ladder replacing some tiles  >:D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: dannyboy on December 29, 2019, 08:39:29 PM
When I have joined one Metcalfe kit to another, I have printed out a sheet of roofing tiles onto A4 self-adhesive labels. As long as you get them straight, they look okay to me and hide the join between the two kits. To get the apex right, I stick the label to one half of the roof first, then hold it at roughly the correct angle, before I stick the remainder down, saves stretching the label or it trying to straighten itself out. Just a thought.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 29, 2019, 08:59:05 PM
@dannyboy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4209) yeah, these will be slightly different, I had some pictures of a church slate roof printed so they will be used.
Ridge tiles have already been made to fit.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: PLD on December 29, 2019, 09:51:31 PM
the roofs are generally considered the weakest aspect of most card kits (not just Metcalfe). On models we usually are looking downwards at them so have a better view of the roof than we normally do of the prototype so they need to look right. I always replace the roofs with something with some relief to it, either plastic sheet or on a few prominent buildings individual tiles/slates cut from thin plasticard..
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 31, 2019, 06:17:07 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/5099-311219180243.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85637)

South Terrace being slowly converted, unfortunately due to some holidays still waiting for bits and pieces to get them finished but No. 1,2 & 3 have been re-slated, chimney pots added and No 1 has had roll top ridges made and added.

This wraps up 2019 for me, it's been another successful year with regards to acquiring stock, some mate  :-[ managed to skint me many many times! Im sure hes bought himself a villa in St Lucia with the proceeds  :goggleeyes:

The knowledge that the forum has to share always blows me away and I would like to thank every one of you that's been able to help me out, hopefully at some points I've been able to contribute some worthwhile ramblings.

And December started off a bit grim for me personally BUT with every cloud we have had 16ft of running achieved in 3 weeks!!! Finally the layout is starting to get somewhere and the sheer amount of appreciation it has begun to receive is mind blowing. We all build something that were happy with but to have others appreciate your work is something special. Only 2 days ago someone requested that I post pictures of my work (I'm sure he was just being nice  :laugh3:)

So we go into 2020 with the same mammoth task ahead but with huge desire to get at least 40% of the layout complete by this time next year!!! 

I'm pleased to be apart of this wonderful network we have, and will bore you again next year I'm sure of that.

Enjoy your evenings everyone and I wish you, your families and friends a very Happy Healthy and Prosperous 2020!!!!

  :NGF:
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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on December 31, 2019, 07:16:01 PM
some mate ??

really  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 02, 2020, 08:00:59 PM
Happy new year All!!!

Well I've been debating over whether to post these pictures, it's very much work in progress so nothings the final finish.

This is one building of about 15 that I gave absolutely no thought about even looking at let alone having to build!!! Now the building does still exist and in very much the original external build which is nice and handy for me.

Again this has been built using my knowledge of this Regency Villa type of building rather then any form of technical drawing. I was able to stick Google earth measure over everything so that at least confirmed the footprint was right. And more shockingly once the footprint was cut to size I left that on the bench and drew lines on the layout as to where it should sit and pure luck I'm sure it fitted EXACTLY where it was meant to fit!!!

Brass windows have all been ordered and waiting for them to fit prior to the external skin being fitted, hence the openings being a little bit off square at the moment, this is 0.5mm plasticard sheet and then the brass windows fit inbetween and allow a 0.8mm skin over the top with the exact openings cut for the windows.

The openings on the front are to be built 2mm in front to give the correct front profile, so once the windows, which here are Bow top sash windows  :veryangry: have been installed these will be added.

This building had a 4ft parapet wall with upto 9" corbels on it, along with a 2ft sole stretcher with a nice half round relief on the top (this maybe sacrificed) and a 1ft mid height stretcher that is 4" protrusion, this will be added.

A natural slate roof complete with blue angles ridges rather then lead roll hips unfortunately. Chimneys were rendered apart from top 6 courses which are just straight blues with 4 pots on each stack.


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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: maridunian on January 03, 2020, 12:01:01 AM
Wow! Do you have any pictures of the prototype for us?

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 03, 2020, 08:34:49 AM
It might be wow when its finished Mike, it looks very ropey at the moment which is why I wasnt sure about putting pictures up.

Once I get the windows and render coat on the build along with some primer to get defined shapes I'll put up comparison pictures.

The footprint of the main build is 80mm x 76mm with a 32mm x 36mm 2 storey wing and a 24mm x 36mm lean too.

Theres still 2 single storey lean toos to be added on the back right hand side.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: PaulCheffus on January 03, 2020, 10:05:28 AM
It might be wow when its finished Mike, it looks very ropey at the moment which is why I wasnt sure about putting pictures up.

Hi

I find it quite interesting how people have gone about making things and it isn't always obvious when it has been painted / finished.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 03, 2020, 10:56:12 AM
Like most buildings Paul, absolutely shocking behind all the detail but hopefully with some shiny windows and a polished render finish it wont look too horrific.

I'm glad I got the roof right, a first fix chippie and roofer that gets a roof wrong, that'll never do!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 03, 2020, 09:20:42 PM
Well the next property up the street will be on the back scene but its garden stretched down to the retaining wall alongside the line so that has to be modelled.

This was converted from its Regency manor to flats just after WWII and as a consequence there was a set of 3 and 5 concrete garages erected on the footprint of the coach house.

This meant garages were needed, I looked at Peedie Models as I've just ordered my windows from him and he does singles and doubles of pre-fab garages exactly right but I'd have to join all those together and paint them as well so..........

Raiding the scraps plasticard box, double checked the measurements and my set of 3 and 5 were knocked up and in true '50s style a corrugated asbestos roof has been added and theyve been through the spray booth for primer.


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Just to make sure a couple of 'close to' period cars to double check, this was a time when a car lived in a garage, or you could get them in at least!!!

Now the good part of painting and weathering them, only lightly though as they'll only be 10 / 15 years old at this point 
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 05, 2020, 02:31:15 PM
Well as we play the old waiting game for brass windows and other bits and pieces to finish off the buildings work moves back to getting stock ready to run.

SR were big fans of BSK coaches, Mk1 BCKs arrived in '63 so we at least get to run some of them!! On a summer Saturday it was not uncommon for over 120 BSKs in various formations to be leaving Waterloo on West of England services. Many boat trains and the ACE ran BCKs of Maunsell and Bullied designs as well as the later arriving Mk1, these were preferred as they had 5 seating compartments and a smaller van section them the BSK.

BSKs were popular on  virtually every other train leaving and as a result we needed a few more then the 12 weve been lucky enough to obtain. The problem with 8 years of research is that by the time you realise you need something they are no longer available  :veryangry:

Any way a very good friend of mine was having a bit of a clear out and managed to twist my arm into purchasing
6x GUVs
2x BCKs
1x RFB
13x BSKs
All in Blue Grey but the price was favourable enough to warrant the full strip, attempt at repaint, re-decal and run.

Well typically any Farish Blue Grey needs at least 24hrs in IPA. My IPA tank (Carte d'or ice cream tub with secure lid) can only hold 6 coaches so that's the max I can work with.

The process is select 6 coaches and strip chassis, roof, handrails and glazing.
24hr soak in IPA
Lifted out and left 4hrs on paper towel to dry
Blast airbrush over at 50psi to remove paint
Return to IPA if necessary
Finish scrubbing with an old toothbrush (Mrs EC can taste IPA so cant use hers anymore  :D)
Good soaking in warm clean water and leave again to dry
Before painting in primer each coach is warmed up and ensured all water is out from under gutters using a hairdryer
2 or 3 coats of primer as necessary
4 to 6 coats of green, getting the window reveals is the time consuming part here
2 coats of clear gloss varnish
Fit decals, paint door handles and any highlighted details as required
2 coats of matt varnish
Paint all grey window outlines green to match
Paint chassis solebar matt black
Refit glazing, roof, handrails and chassis
Weather

I currently have
5 BSKs in the spray booth on coat 5 of green, hopefully all ready for the next stage
5 BSKs stripped and in IPA tank
10 chassis matt blacked
Currently masking and painting window bars on 20sets of glazing  :'(

The GUVs had all gone through this process a while ago BUT a layer of dust had come up from the bottom of the spray booth and settled in my fresh varnish  :censored: only noticable a week after once theyd dried bitty and orange peeley so I've trialled fibreglass brushing them to flat them prior to another coat of clear to see if that works, after thoroughly cleaning and recovering the bottom of the spray booth with brown paper!!!

This is my first of the 2 trialled. The one on the right is factory produced GF. Considering I mixed the paint and painted the left myself I'm pretty pleased with the colour. Once decalled and weathered hopefully charging past on an XP at 3ft away they will look satisfactory

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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 09, 2020, 07:03:34 PM
Well as it is yet to be planted on the layout I felt it was only right this appeared in my workbench thread as it's still sat on there!!

My allotments are now virtually complete.

We have in no particular order and I'm pretty sure I should know that some of these will not be in the state of ripeness altogether but my idea was to give a good representation of british allotments  and the pride and passion that was displayed on such sites,

Apple saplings
Plum tree
BlackBerry bushes
Corn on the cob
Tomatoes
Cucumber
Lavender
Tulips
Runner beans
Sunflowers
Strawberries
Primroses
White and Red cabbage
Various other greenery bits

Ted has finally got his plot and spent the last few weekends clearing it of old vegetation and actually got his shed erected,  of which, as hes cleaning the windows he is very proud of.

Reg is busy forking over his pulled line of spring onions ready to plant his winter crop

Derek is weeding round his cucumbers

And Cyril still pushing his barrow of muck down to his marsh marigolds is fuming that the society STILL haven't cleared Dennis' plot of all its rye grass that's overtaken plot 19 since his departing and his widow not being able to get up to sort it out.
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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: port perran on January 09, 2020, 07:28:57 PM
What a nice tidy allotment.
If my real one is anything to go by, you’ve forgotten one vital component.........WEEDS!
Seriously though, it looks good - great work.

Martin
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 09, 2020, 07:40:41 PM
 :thankyousign: @port perran (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230)

We have a set :hmmm: of allotments at either end of our fields, one set are sort of toffee nosed and never want to do anything other then moan about the pigs in their pens the other side of the road so arent very approachable but every one has a little shed and all exact every part of it down to mowing and edging all the paths.

The one the other end is a bit more of a working man's allotment full of twine, bamboo and a bit raggy, they ALWAYS stop us when were in the fields next to them, cutting the hedges or riding the horses past, so very nice people and Cyril on that site grows dahlias, used to show them and has won plenty of trophies for them, Mrs EC always gets a bunch when hes cutting!
The quality of the grown produce on this site is far better then the other.

So I've gone for the tidyness of one side but the quality and colour of the friendly ones. They never have weeds as their always working away.

You can blame yours on being Ill  :D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Newportnobby on January 09, 2020, 07:55:20 PM

Ted has finally got his plot and spent the last few weekends clearing it of old vegetation and finally got his shed erected of which as hes cleaning the windows he is very proud of.


That must mean Ted has sorted out the drainage in the lower field, which will please Ralph no end ;)
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