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Title: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 23, 2019, 10:35:06 PM
Evening All, well I'm in no way suggesting I can weather and model to some of the extremely high standards by many on the forum BUT the last few days I've been trying to work through the quite reasonable amount of stock we have for our layout so rather then buying more and more to run the decision was made to make sure everything we had is ready to run once wiring is complete.

The cattle Van's have obviously been seen before but these are 2 out of the 51 ready to go, the right hand one is just box fresh for comparison. 7 are still waiting for decals but a shipment from Fox is on it's way so will get them finished and then I have my first 50 wagons to run.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-231019222520.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83103)

Being SR, banana traffic was still quite plentiful during our time period, so having a mixture of Graham Farish fruit Van's and some Peco Fyffees branded to run together it made sense 14 of these were next on the bench.  I'm quite happy with how the Peco ones have weathered, pretty much the same as the way their cattle vans did. The GF one (right hand side) has been weathered with the same materials and in the same process but it seems to of taken a sheen over it which is something I'm going to have to work out why because I have a good amount of GF wagons that will be weathered and will maybe have to adopt a different process to tone them down.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-231019223240.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83104)

Any suggestions, recommendations and criticism welcome
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: RailGooner on October 23, 2019, 11:20:53 PM
..
 I'm in no way suggesting I can weather and model to some of the extremely high standards by many on the forum
...

Then I will! :wonderfulmodelling:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: longbow on October 24, 2019, 12:33:52 AM
Interesting. What weathering process are you using - washes I presume?
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 24, 2019, 06:39:21 AM
Yes, some brown, black and green washes with weathering powders and spray varnish.

I dont know why the GF one seems so shiny but 3 more are still to be finished, hopefully tonight so will see how they come out  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Bealman on October 24, 2019, 06:53:10 AM
The yellow Peco Fifes banana van is fictional, isn't it.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 24, 2019, 07:02:35 AM
I cant say definitely either way George but I do know most SR banana vans were cream coloured when built.
So unless they were in that livery for private owner but would they be that lavish with paint in the '20s and '30s  :hmmm:
I believe them to be false
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Bealman on October 24, 2019, 07:11:23 AM
Thanks, I've got a couple, because they're colourful and I like the fine crisp printing on them.

But to return to your thread, your wagons look great and will make a brilliant freight train.  :beers:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 24, 2019, 07:20:33 AM
Thank you Sir, theres a good few to get through but gets us closer to running!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on October 24, 2019, 08:52:37 AM
The yellow Peco Fifes banana van is fictional, isn't it.  :hmmm:

I think it's a model of a model :

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-HORNBY-0-GAUGE-MODEL-No-1-8-TON-FYFFES-BANANA-VAN-/302797749250 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VINTAGE-HORNBY-0-GAUGE-MODEL-No-1-8-TON-FYFFES-BANANA-VAN-/302797749250)

There are others...

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Bealman on October 24, 2019, 08:59:10 AM
Gawd! I had that model running on tin plate track at a million miles an hour when I was about eight years old!!!

Are they worth anything?

Sorry, thread hijack. Interesting, though.

Sorry, Craig!  :beers:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 24, 2019, 09:04:53 AM
No apologies needed, all stuff worth reading!!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on October 24, 2019, 09:35:59 AM
Gawd! I had that model running on tin plate track at a million miles an hour when I was about eight years old!!!

Are they worth anything?

Could be...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/2947-241019092143.png)

Long discussion  over there  (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/148332-real-banana-vans/&tab=comments#comment-3700151)

Mike


Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Bealman on October 24, 2019, 10:00:34 AM
Eeeeek!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Newportnobby on October 24, 2019, 11:03:52 AM
Those prices are just bananas.
Note the spelling of Fyffes, George ;)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on October 24, 2019, 11:24:51 AM
The Peco BR Banana vans are nicely printed, but I'm baffled as to why they used their ventilated van body for this, as opposed to their own refrigerated van, which although lacking diagonal strips, looks to be a much closer match:

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbanana/h28ce3503 (https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brbanana/h28ce3503)

https://peco-uk.com/products/refrigerator-box-van (https://peco-uk.com/products/refrigerator-box-van)

Mike

Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: martyn on October 24, 2019, 01:44:31 PM
Over twenty years ago, I did in fact use the Peco reefer van as the basis for some Banana vans.

They're still in use...…..together with some more recent Farish ones.

Martyn
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 24, 2019, 06:28:10 PM
Following a conversation with @martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447) today it would appear the information box on the wagon side of the Peco banana vans are incorrect for my time frame.

The text style is listed to of been introduced in 1957 however various sources have questioned this and it appears BR began using this style after 1964!!!!

To late for me to run!! Now it is only a text box and most people will accept that and ignore it, and on this rake I am probably tempted to do exactly that. However with the various other faults with the actual van itself I am wondering whether to build and decal a rake of time frame prototypically correct banana vans  :uneasy:

So for the time being this rake will be tucked back in the tray ready to run and I will move  onto another set of wagons while a bit more research is done into banana vans for 1959 -63.

Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: martyn on October 24, 2019, 06:34:15 PM
@exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099) -you only need to change the numbering, rather than building a whole rake! At 'normal viewing distance' it would be almost unnoticeable.

The difference between the Peco reefer van and an LNER banana are small; I can't remember exactly what, but I think it only amounts to some thin bracing on the side, but there are two small ventilation panels on each end to change, for better accuracy.

An easier conversion is the BR diag 242 van (built 1952-56); this just needs the thin strapping on each side, from the roof /side corner diagonally downward to the base of the doors. A photo dated 3/63 shows the yellow circle on the LHS, with the Fyffes, etc, on RHS.

Martyn.

Addendum-the Peco van looks to be very close to the final BR design, diag.246 (built 1959/60).
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 24, 2019, 06:57:27 PM
I'll set my research and development executive (better known as my dad) who this layout is actually for!! To spot the differences between them and decide what we do, the unfortunate thing is he will say to ignore it and just run them, I think hed be happy with an oval trainset. Mind you at least that would be running  :D

Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: class37025 on October 24, 2019, 07:24:31 PM
Craig ........

relax ........

use RULE 1  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 24, 2019, 07:30:18 PM
My version of Rule 1 or the widely accepted and recommended version of Rule 1????

 :-[
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 25, 2019, 07:47:29 AM
Can anyone recommend a very good detail airbrush??

I have a decent compressor and spray booth with ventilation ducting all sorted and 4 airbrushes.

Problem is now I've got my new compressor I cant seem to get any of them to provide a very nice small thin line. I've changed to 0.2mm needle and nozzle and air pressure right down but I cant seem to get the spray pattern I want.

I spent so long trying to set them up for priming so I can cover wagons quite quickly in primer and full colour coats but detail for weathering is where I'm struggling.

I want to buy a good new airbrush and not change it, get it set for the small works and leave it.

I could keep playing around changing one that I have but I think it's easier and less hassle to just buy a new one.

No preference of make or amount to spend so happy to buy cheap if one can come recommended.

 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Bealman on October 25, 2019, 08:13:02 AM
I prefer the previous advice.... relax!  ;)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: martyn on October 25, 2019, 09:15:06 AM
Craig;

I rarely use an airbrush, but was given this site by another member of the Forum when I needed spares;

https://www.everythingairbrush.com/airbrushes.html (https://www.everythingairbrush.com/airbrushes.html)

You may find ideas there; I phoned them and got a very good reply and suggestions to my enquiry.

martyn
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: N_GaugeModeller on October 25, 2019, 09:31:16 AM
The recomend an Airbrush minefield is almost as big as the recomend a Hi-Fi minefield

Many will recomend one of the hi end Iwata models and you would bo no wrong in following that advice.  Some years ago I was into military modelling and needed a few different airbrushes for base coats and super fine detail and also ended up down the Iwata route, I then see a recommendation for a cheap obvious Iwata clone from China under the Veda brand name, at the time IIRC they were about £15 compared to the equivalent Iwata which was over £200.  I just for the fun of it bought 2, one with a 0.2mm needle set and one with a 0.5mm needle set.

After testing them I sold all my Iwata brushes and still use the Veda brushes today.

Unfortunately someone in China decided to clone the Veda brushes and the ones you see sold today are not as good as the original maker.

Not much help I know, but whst I am saying is you don't have to spend a fortune if you don't want to, to get a good brush

If you do want to then that's ok. ;)

NGM
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 25, 2019, 10:15:52 AM
I don't think I'm worthy of a £200 airbrush.
 :no:

I read one description about one capable of producing 1mm lines, (which is perfect for what I want) but then came the crucial line

"When skill allows"

And that is the vital thing, very good people can work wonders with cheap stuff and clueless people fail with the most expensive.

I'm quite happy to buy a cheap one to try to get satisfactory results for me, so it was just a throw out see if anyone can tell us good things about one they expected to be useless which didn't cost the earth
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on October 25, 2019, 04:13:26 PM
... the equivalent Iwata which was over £200 ...

Iwata-ing indeed!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 25, 2019, 07:16:52 PM
Well I managed to track down a 0.2mm airbrush from a company that shipped with Royal Mail so at least I'll receive it for less then £20 so that will give me something else to try and master.

As with most families ours does have and has had many members serve with the forces  :claphappy: ours were RAF and RAAF over the last 80years even my gran served her country! Being Southern Region modellers and big Bulleid fans Battle of Britain locomotives are plentiful for our layout. We also have photographs linking the Household Calvery to Okehampton barracks and taking plenty of their horses on summer vacation to the moors. Much of these pre date the second war and there is no definite date as to when they stopped this great movement of horses from central London to Okehampton, most of which were transported in cattle wagons!!!!

We right now have a very good professional relationship with the Animal Defence centre and MOD rehabilitation programmes although for obvious reasons that isn't very common public knowledge at this moment in time. We do know plenty of MOD horses are now brought by truck up from London to Melton Mowbray for their summer break and rehabilitation. So with our somewhat limited knowledge of their 'pre war activities' but our knowledge of their 'current vacation plans' we plan to run a Waterloo - Okehampton express with 10 BR horseboxes and a couple of coaches for personnel and a SR luggage van for tack.

This is one of the 10 horseboxes that is now ready to be coupled onto some coaches ready for the journey.
I am hoping that some standard  yellow coach numbers will be the correct size to allow 6 to be renumbered.

This is my first step between weathering wagons and before I attack my great stock of coaches. Again the right hand is box fresh for comparison

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-251019191356.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83187)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: martyn on October 25, 2019, 08:38:31 PM
Nice start, Craig.

if you go to another of David Hey's webpages

http://www.davidheyscollection.com/page87.htm (http://www.davidheyscollection.com/page87.htm)

and scroll down just a little you will find a colour photo of 30246 at Guildford shunting green horse boxes. It could help you with weathering ideas.

martyn
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 25, 2019, 09:05:23 PM
Thanks @martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447) i do especially like the recently replaced lower ramp on the first box!!!

Roof colour variation is worth noting too!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 26, 2019, 12:56:35 PM

Now here's a dilemma. Our oil trains consist of revoloutioN Regent class B tanks and GF Esso 14T tanks. We have 15 of each BUT I dont fancy weathering a revolutioN tank as I'm very inexperienced and not sure I'm mastering it all that well  :doh: and as they were particularly hard to get hold of I cant afford to ruin the best wagons we own!!!!

The only tanks I have to practice on are 7 peco Express tanks that are very incorrect for our time frame seeing as though they are on a 4 wheel chassis being one very big problem of a few!!!

So this is my first attempt at weathering an oil tanker rather then the milk tank it appears to be. I'm relatively happy with it but it's only a £5 peco wagon that I wont ever run. I've got various pictures of Regent tanks and Esso branded 14T to try to vary the process but just wondering if it looks right to others????
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-261019125329.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83212)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 26, 2019, 01:33:25 PM
craig
looks realistic what with the milk residue, rust stains, discharge stains, really well captured and the lettering picked out
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Newportnobby on October 26, 2019, 01:50:27 PM
Looks fine to me, Craig, bearing in mind milk tanks could look filthy on the outside but were spotless inside. I'm sure not many folks would drink contents of a fuel tank wagon :no:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 26, 2019, 02:01:51 PM
Yeah I have milk tanks to do but they need serious weathering so will wait to master more before attempting them.

Thanks chaps, not sure I'm confident to attempt a Regent class B just yet so I'll condemn another milk tank to make sure their going the right way!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 26, 2019, 04:14:46 PM
I think I've got this one better!!!!  :hmmm:


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-261019161407.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83215)

Has anyone else been brave enough to weather any of their revolutioN class b tanks yet??????
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Papyrus on October 26, 2019, 04:28:59 PM
I think I've got this one better!!!!

Just as good, I would have said! They are both excellent - far better than my clumsy efforts. Every wagon would be weathered to a different degree, so both your tankers would look absolutely right in a mixed rake.

 :greatwork:

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 26, 2019, 04:42:31 PM
Thanks Chris, they were the sacrificial lambs towards working up the courage to attempt to weather my revolutioN class Bs.

So I bit the bullet after lunch and tried one of the unbranded versions I have because I'm still to scared to ruin them  :'(

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-261019164145.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83216)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: RailGooner on October 26, 2019, 04:50:20 PM
Absolutely love it! :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on October 26, 2019, 04:52:37 PM
These look good to me. Only small change I would suggest is satin rather than gloss spillage, depending on cargo and recentness of the spill.

NB that 'oil' tanks come in two basic types, Class A for volatile spirits (eg crude oil, ethanol, petrol, diesel, kerosene) and Class B for heavier oils (fuel oil, lube oil, bitumen). Spirit spills leave less residue, and can even have a cleaning effect!

Have a look at these:

https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=class+a (https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=class+a)
https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=class%20b (https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/?q=class%20b)

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 26, 2019, 05:04:49 PM
 :thankyousign: @maridunian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2947) these will carry Fuel oil and yes my Oil stain is gloss so will matt it down a bit once its dry, that picture was literally just after I'd applied it and got it on the rails.

Having just placed another class B upto it, I have coupled them using N brass screwling couplings, has anyone ever coupled a complete train with these??? They will run in their complete rakes and wont be shunted as the refinery is a good 80 mile down the line but these fantastic wagons do look amazing prototypically coupled!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects (now progressing to buildings)
Post by: exmouthcraig on October 28, 2019, 06:47:58 PM
Right well as I wait for decals and detail parts for current projects I thought I'd have a go at weathering a building.

All of our buildings are scratchbuilt as we weren't lucky enough for any manufacturers to think anyone would want to model our location. The buildings are going well but all will need weathering as it was 50s Britain and steam covered everything!!

Even worse then weathering a revolutioN class B is attempting to weather a building you've only built one of and unless you commit another 50 hours into it your not getting another.

I found a line side hut kit in the box a long time ago, built it and it was the first thing I'd primered with my airbrush and it sat on the bench for probably 9months.

So yesterday I thought I'd give it a lick of paint. This wont actually grace the layout but it gave me wood, stone doors and windows and a slate roof to practice on.

It's a bit run down and more suited to late 70s abandoned BR hut from the past.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-281019184540.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83306)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-281019184604.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83307)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-281019184625.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83308)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-281019184648.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83309)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 03, 2019, 10:13:48 AM
It's all been a bit quiet this week for me, the pain of work got in the way!! I mean it's only because of working 70hr weeks I can build this but it doesnt half upset the progress  :laugh3:

So working through my NGS kit 22 Shark brake vans.  I have 3 of these to build and 1 was always going to be a bit experimental, however all 3 have in one way or another.

Following the instructions you are meant to cut a 2mm section out of the chassis to create a 9ft wheelbase BUT fitting the running board extension pieces you are still short of the ends which shouldn't be the case. So the next one I built on the packet fresh unmodified 10ft chassis  :jawdropping: and this virtually solved the gap!

So the third one was built exactly the same. While trying to find information relating to these I found a very detailed picture of one on the Epping Ongar Railway of which they must own copyright to this picture, it certainly isn't me but it is available on google so I will assume it's safe to add here  :confused2:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-031119100423.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83497)

Note the crimson internal paneling and cream surround on the internal wall panels, I cant find out how these left the works and whether this is a genuine colour scheme for our time period but I like it.

Number 2 was already matt black internally so left that and once the roofs fitted  :o shock horror you cant see what's what. I've tried to weather the ploughs using different techniques and they seem to be pretty acceptable. The handrails I have picked out in acrylic because I couldn't wait for my tin of enamel  :no: as I've applied the second coat the first has peeled up which is why they look very poor so they will get addressed.
Vacuum pipes fitted, hopefully the right way around!! And instead of making wire couplers I've fitted coupling hooks and brass screwlink couplers which I will test on the oval to see if they can satisfactorily be pulled on these.

Still details to address and the gap to the roof line but a very nice kit to build.

Left hand is 'in work condition' still to be fully weathered. The right is 'ex works condition' with the crimson interior.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-031119101200.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83498)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: RailGooner on November 03, 2019, 11:08:45 AM
..
Following the instructions you are meant to cut a 2mm section out of the chassis to create a 9ft wheelbase BUT fitting the running board extension pieces you are still short of the ends which shouldn't be the case.
...

Interesting point Craig. I've a kit that has been stalled for a ~decade at the point were the 2mm section is removed. The uncut chassis already looks very short to my eye for the specific prototype I'm modelling - of which I've only ever seen one photo, now lost. I may never be certain enough to proceed with it.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 03, 2019, 11:16:05 AM
The bottom 2 of mine in the picture are both sat on unmodified chassis and from what I can tell the axle boxes dont seem too far way from where their meant to be. The ploughs finish in a satisfactory position to allow coupling so for the sake of 2mm I'd build it, like I've said before if someone can spot I've got a wagon 2mm longer then it should be they'll be able to find plenty of other faults.

If your not happy with it on a 10ft chassis a new replacement is £4 so your not losing anything by trying. The  van part of the kit is fantastic and can be built totally independent of which ever chassis you mount it on  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: PaulCheffus on November 03, 2019, 01:47:31 PM
Hi

When I built mine I cut the chassis in half then filed the middle until they fitted between the buffer beams after attaching the supplied extension pieces to the buffer beams.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: My rolling stock/building projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 06, 2019, 10:05:12 AM
Morning All, well as the wait for detail parts continue and time is still hard to find I thought I'd crack on and build a large water tower from the ratio kits range.

Chopped it about so the door was on the end rather tjen the back BUT with these massive windows, which on the original were bricked up in photos but we believe that to of been done at the same time they knocked the steel box off the top, so modelling it with the windows still in the building WHAT was inside the room downstairs?????

I dont think an empty room is acceptable when the windows are that big.


 :thankyousign:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-061119100444.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83616)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: martyn on November 06, 2019, 10:21:44 AM
Quite often this was either a stores or a crew/fitters mess room and toilets. I not actually familiar with Exmouth Junction shed layout, but this would be a best bet for me.

Martyn
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 06, 2019, 10:24:59 AM
Thanks @martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447) just a couple of false walls and junk then  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: joe cassidy on November 06, 2019, 11:23:04 AM
Presumably there was a pump somewhere to put water into the tank ?
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: bridgiesimon on November 06, 2019, 11:48:45 AM
A building like that would have been pretty dirty anyway so with a bit of smeg on the windows, you would not be able to see through them anyway.

Good looking model by the way.
Best wishes
Simon
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Steven B on November 06, 2019, 12:05:09 PM
I'm sure there was somewhere on the Settle and Carlisle where the room under the water tank was used as stables for the railways horses.

On the Worth Valley railway the room under the water tank at Keighley is used for storing unused signalling equipment.

Steven B.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: crewearpley40 on November 06, 2019, 01:01:09 PM
Steven im sure its appleby
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Paddy on November 06, 2019, 02:22:34 PM
It's all been a bit quiet this week for me, the pain of work got in the way!! I mean it's only because of working 70hr weeks I can build this but it doesnt half upset the progress  :laugh3:

So working through my NGS kit 22 Shark brake vans.  I have 3 of these to build and 1 was always going to be a bit experimental, however all 3 have in one way or another.

Following the instructions you are meant to cut a 2mm section out of the chassis to create a 9ft wheelbase BUT fitting the running board extension pieces you are still short of the ends which shouldn't be the case. So the next one I built on the packet fresh unmodified 10ft chassis  :jawdropping: and this virtually solved the gap!

So the third one was built exactly the same. While trying to find information relating to these I found a very detailed picture of one on the Epping Ongar Railway of which they must own copyright to this picture, it certainly isn't me but it is available on google so I will assume it's safe to add here  :confused2:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-031119100423.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83497)

Note the crimson internal paneling and cream surround on the internal wall panels, I cant find out how these left the works and whether this is a genuine colour scheme for our time period but I like it.

Number 2 was already matt black internally so left that and once the roofs fitted  :o shock horror you cant see what's what. I've tried to weather the ploughs using different techniques and they seem to be pretty acceptable. The handrails I have picked out in acrylic because I couldn't wait for my tin of enamel  :no: as I've applied the second coat the first has peeled up which is why they look very poor so they will get addressed.
Vacuum pipes fitted, hopefully the right way around!! And instead of making wire couplers I've fitted coupling hooks and brass screwlink couplers which I will test on the oval to see if they can satisfactorily be pulled on these.

Still details to address and the gap to the roof line but a very nice kit to build.

Left hand is 'in work condition' still to be fully weathered. The right is 'ex works condition' with the crimson interior.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-031119101200.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83498)

Hi @exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099)

They look really good and like you I would not worry about the 2mm if it all goes together OK.  Rather keep the build simple and robust.

Great tip.  Just a shame they are out of stock at the NGS.  :(

Paddy
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 06, 2019, 07:12:17 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-061119190314.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83628)

Rain dictated a relatively early day for me today, we are finally starting to dry up after being considerably under water for the last 4 weeks, every time we have more then 4hrs rain everything disappears under water, the house is like a scene from WWII with our barricade of sandbags at every door!!!  Mrs EC is outside working till 9.30 earning us some hard earned so I shot into the relatively warm railway room to crack on.

This has now had a few coats of this and that and a bit of dusting and weathering. I've never weathered anything before so this is all trial and error.

I painted a course of blue bricks for the damp, obviously it should be 3 courses but these bricks are hugely over scale so 1 will do. It's hard to know what's enough. It was still in work as we still had steam and I think railway men of the late 50s were still passionate about their industry so i think this is probably as tatty as it would realistically of got but happy to be corrected either way  :hmmm:

I'm quite happy with the brickwork but think the tank needs a bit of variation of colour so the scrap tins out again and I'm trying a bit of a technique and see about applying that later.

Mistakes and corrections are invited, and even a bit of praise is appreciated if its deemed worthy  :)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on November 06, 2019, 07:25:08 PM
Hi Craig - that looks great. The brickwork and tank are fine, but the currugated roof's still rather pristine. Maybe some rust at the ends/edges of the sheets? Perhaps not as bad as this:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/2947-061119192313.jpeg)

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 06, 2019, 07:28:32 PM
Thanks Mike, the roof is still something I want to work on. Luckily for me our own barn has a curved corrugated roof, and is of 1974 heritage so showing its age, I plan to photograph it when I can get in the field to be able to use that as a guide as to how to weather such a roof.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: emjaybee on November 06, 2019, 08:28:22 PM
I think your water tank looks bloomin' great.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 06, 2019, 10:27:12 PM
Roofs had a bit of a dusting now so hopefully toned it down a bit.

Catwalk and handrails added, only been black painted and not weathered yet. Still got depth gauge and pulley wheel to fit.

Glazing now added but will need dirtying up.

Access ladder to add and then a final weather over the whole building.

The roof is 2 sections joined together but the joint is very visible. Placed an order with DCC supplies today and stuck a bottle of Deluxe Materials Perfect Plastic Putty on the order so will give that a whirl and weather that section back in. Hopefully it will be good and work as well as they advertise.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-061119222621.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83649)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on November 07, 2019, 06:18:10 AM
Roofs had a bit of a dusting now so hopefully toned it down a bit.


Very nice - much better.

The roof is 2 sections joined together but the joint is very visible.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-061119222621.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83649)


Maybe more "joins" needed? I use masking tape on these roofs to pick out individual sheets. Mask, weather some sheets, move mask, repeat.

The result's not very clear in this picture; I'll try to take a better one later.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/80/2947-140819093156.jpeg)

Mike

Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 07, 2019, 06:49:45 AM
Yeah I get what you mean @maridunian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2947), this is a proper recess rather then a sheet joint.

If I fill it I can carve a corrugation into it, the sheet joints I'm working on so think another quick blow over and weather individual sheets.

This one was another sacrificial lamb, try to get an idea of weathering brickwork and buildings.

I  could do with some proper scale embossed brickwork sheets and scratch build one to the proper dimensions.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: martyn on November 07, 2019, 08:12:04 AM
Hi Craig;

yet more excellent work.

For brickpaper, Steve Wright uses Scalescenes for  'James St; he reckons its the best he's found.

martyn
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: springwood on November 08, 2019, 01:34:25 PM
On the subject of wagons, I am looking to build up a rake of 46te HEA hoppers in BR Railfreight livery, as per this link

https://www.hattons.co.uk/18109/graham_farish_373_507_46_tonne_glw_hea_hopper_wagon_in_railfreight_livery/stockdetail.aspx (https://www.hattons.co.uk/18109/graham_farish_373_507_46_tonne_glw_hea_hopper_wagon_in_railfreight_livery/stockdetail.aspx)

I have an option to buy (second-hand), some very similar hoppers but would be looking to convert them to the example on the above link. It would be my first venture into this, so looking for suggestions on what paints to use to closely resemble those on this wagon as it was originally produced. I guess we've got three colours to consider here; the red, the grey and the black for the frame? Additionally, where might I obtain the BR logo, Railfreight writing and the little warning symbol? Thank you
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: tunneroner61 on November 08, 2019, 04:47:03 PM
For paint try Railmatch or Precision. Available in model shops or online.

For the transfers try Fox or Railtec. Only available on line I think.

Other suppliers are available - just use Google to find them,

HTH Norman
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 10, 2019, 03:57:12 PM
Well a while back I hinted about trying something on my 700 Blackmotor that I wssnt going to say anything just in case it didn't work out.

Well after a morning out at a Remembrance Day Parade of which we enjoyed some wonderful MOD hospitality I felt I was in a chilled state of mind and able to tackle the job.

The handrail knobs were drilled out yesterday and they are just all placed in at the moment so lines not perfect. But the problem is getting the right curve around the Smokebox door  :veryangry:  :censored: :veryangry: Luckily I ordered quite a few packs of wire from Nick for this very occasion!!

The other part is the brake blocks and rodding. Again the blocks are fixed but not 100% definitively where they will finish up and still need to join all the rods underneath and get fully set.

The loco will enjoy a full flat and repaint as I've made a massive mess of carving the old handrails off. Luckily for me this was a relatively cheap ebay purchase but I do wonder, as much as i admire the skills of @Dr Al (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263), @Stevie DC (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=213), @thebrighton (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=943) and many others I dont think I have the skillset to be attempting all of this. And am now questioning whether all the effort, time and money for these tweaks leave me with a better model?


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-101119155549.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83777)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: acook on November 10, 2019, 04:21:01 PM
Looking at what you have there, and its O gauge on the screen, yes they do. Very worth it.
The next one will be easier.

Alan
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: PaulCheffus on November 10, 2019, 06:14:06 PM
The loco will have the full flat and repaint as I've made a massive mess of carving the old handrails off. Luckily for me this was a relatively cheap ebay purchase but I do wonder, as much as i admire the skills of @Dr Al (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263), @Stevie DC (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=213), @thebrighton (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=943) and many others I dont think I have the skillset to be attempting all of this. And am now questioning whether all the effort, time and money for these tweaks leave me with a better model?

Hi

From the picture above I think you do have the skills and are following the right path by practising on cheap models.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Dr Al on November 10, 2019, 07:19:38 PM
Carving handrails off is always hard to achieve - I always do a full repaint as it's easier to see that the areas are fully smoothed when stripped.

Saying that though, your model looks very good to me, both handrails and brake gear.

Minor thing - wheelset looks in upside down, so make sure you invert it again before running, or it won't!

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 10, 2019, 07:43:20 PM
 :thankyousign: @Dr Al (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263)

Yeah wheelset  was dropped in to make sure I'd left enough room between the brake blocks.

I'll finish working on it before giving up and get it as good as I physically can. Like has been said from normal distance it looks better but that's not an excuse to allow poor quality work or bad attempts at details.

Etch brass and wire are certainly not the easiest to work with so the skills you have really are phenomenal

 :beers:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Dr Al on November 10, 2019, 07:49:37 PM
Etch brass and wire are certainly not the easiest to work with so the skills you have really are phenomenal

I have an extremely large swear box....  :censored: :censored:  :D :D

Cheers,
Alan

Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 16, 2019, 01:34:39 PM
Well as I'm struggling on with attempting to detail locos and putting off the wiring on the layout I thought I best have a go at a bit of scenery!

I'm going through a bit of a kit building process at the moment to practice my weathering (or attempts at) skills.

So with the water tower built and trying to make it look used and a good vintage about it, it's not going on the layout as it's too small and technically got the wrong shape roof on it, it was prime for a small diorama.

Never done one before, never done scenery before. Theres still a ladder, fencing and a few tweaks here and there but.......

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-161119133014.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83951)


John the driver has just turned up for his shift start in half an hour, seeing Richard (his firemans) bicycle leaning up against the wall hes hopeful hes currently making him a cup of tea.
Bert has managed to collar Roger the scammel driver to bore him with more tales of when "he was taking a container into town for the furniture store"  :sleep:

My matchbox lid diorama thrown out for the masses to comment either way  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on November 16, 2019, 02:24:20 PM
Looking good and you've lost the central join in the roof too. Seems a shame not to have it on the layout though!

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 16, 2019, 02:31:21 PM
Thanks mike, I built my own replica of exmouth junction coaling tower just to practice scratch building, that wont grace the layout, I have shelves filling up with unusable models
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-161119143029.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83954)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: Newportnobby on November 16, 2019, 02:50:52 PM
Both look very good

I have shelves filling up with unusable models

Then build a shelf layout to put 'em on :D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on November 16, 2019, 08:29:08 PM
Thanks mike, I built my own replica of exmouth junction coaling tower just to practice scratch building,...

Wow!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 16, 2019, 08:52:00 PM
Thanks Mike @maridunian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2947) it has been seen on here before but to refresh

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-161119205029.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83976)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-161119205048.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83977)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-161119205107.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83978)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/5099-161119205133.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83979)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 17, 2019, 06:00:43 PM
The SR actually had lines into Cornwall and actually ran freight out of there as well as the 'noisy neighbours' who history leads us to believe were 'THE Railway" well there were others that were just as good and then there was the SR which were the best!!!  :-[

I cant actually prove whether the SR did haul any china clay wagons but I quite fancied some. After finding out 5 plank wagons had been dumped for coal way back we got ourselves the 16T mineral wagons for that and I had 10 Peco 5 plank kits now technically surplus.

A good forum member, could of been Martin @port perran (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230) however it's a few years ago now so sorry if I'm wrong sent me some genuine cornish china clay.

Now, yes they should be on a 9ft chassis, yes they should have tie bars BUT as I dont even know if their 100% accurate for my metals these are 2 details we can over look.

I'd managed to loose 2 pages of brick paper in the 'office' and the only way I could think of finding them was to have a proper good clean up and sort out, I opened a box and found my 10 kits, painted bauxite and fitted to chassis, all the wheels were there in a nice container and 2 packs of SMITHS BR TARPAULIN SHEETS, absolutely no idea where I got them from but this afternoon I decided it is time to clear the backlog of wagons and get them ready for running so.....

Loads were made from tissue wetted with 50/50 PVA /water mix, scrunched up packed into the wagons and left to dry, tarpaulin sheets were cut up and glued to the load and sides before being folded around the wagon ends, and weathered with some real china clay.

They might not be accurate but I can run a rake of china clay wagons now, which hopefully they look like????


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/5099-171119175912.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84022)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: crewearpley40 on November 17, 2019, 06:09:38 PM
Looking very realistic craig those china clays. Thank you for sharing with a mini tutorial and photos. Chris
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: port perran on November 17, 2019, 06:35:56 PM
Hi Craig
Yes indeed , I did send you some clay.
Regards
Martin
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: maridunian on November 17, 2019, 06:36:05 PM
Yes, love the random lumpyiness and white dusting of wagons and sheeting!

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 17, 2019, 06:40:58 PM
@port perran (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230) well thank you Martin, I've FINALLY got round to using it and brilliant stuff it is too.

Might make myself a nice china mug with the leftovers  :bounce:

@maridunian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2947) thanks Mike, amazing what a soggy bit of tissue paper can create!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: RailGooner on November 17, 2019, 07:32:49 PM
..
 thanks Mike, amazing what a soggy but of tissue paper can create!!!

I think there should be a double 't' in butt. :D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 17, 2019, 07:35:30 PM
@RailGooner (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5427)

Or an I like it should of been  :doh:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 24, 2019, 05:43:10 PM
Well as I cant get comfortable to crack on with high intensity detail jobs I thought I'd attempt some scenery.

The platforms were worked out to be

UP = 114ft long (228mm to scale)
DOWN = 244ft long (488mm to scale)

These were built using peco concrete platform edging and a layer of plasticard over the top, I'm trying to find pictures that will dictate what surface is laid on top of these.

Just at station limits we have an over road and the embankments have paths cut into them down to the platforms, typically the road is not at 90° to the track but the bridge was built out of local sandstone of random pattern.

Now yes the peco ones are tunnel mouths so we have a bit more of a round on them then necessary but everything else worked perfectly. I hacked a few up to enable the copings and corbel course all to run in line and gave her a quick paint.

No copings are needed ontop of the mid section of wall, the bank literally sits behind it and the weeds all hang over the top.

Still weathering powders and washes to go but I'm quite happy so far with the way this west face has come together. The east face is quite similar but skewed from this one, the lining section will take some working out!!!

If I struggle to get back to work this week then I might even get the station board built with track laid and scenery formed  :laugh: maybe my leg will hurt more then I think  :-X


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/5099-241119174031.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84301)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: dannyboy on November 24, 2019, 05:48:36 PM
Hope the leg does not hurt, (in real life), too much.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 24, 2019, 05:53:17 PM
Thanks @dannyboy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4209) remarkably still no pain and I can climb the stairs leading with my left so massive improvement. As much as I'd like to see this section finished I need to get back to work to pay for it all :o
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 28, 2019, 04:39:03 PM
On closer inspection and few more photos I managed to work out I'd built the west side retaining wall wrong. This was highlighted by another one showing how close to each other the platforms ended.

No drama, quick snap of the glue and it all came apart. I'd never built a bridge, let alone one skewed, or one that needed lining!!

On the UP line, a very short 2 coach platform, the loco stops right beside the west side retaining wall, hence the heavier weathering.

The lighting is still showing a slight gleam to everything so another blast with the matt varnish once it's all settled in.

Because these are tunnel mouths there is no inside face so that was filled and a few courses of brickwork put in to tidy it all up. Bridge deck still needs road surface but there were no footpaths on this bridge and today it is single file traffic so presumably it's always been quite tight in width.

The east side has much remarkably cleaner retaining walls, the ground has more of a natural slope to it and drainage is probably better.

This is one of 5 bridges to be built, the next one is just steel plate so hopefully quite easy to do.

Weathering still needs work, blending and a few more details to pick out but hopefully it looks a bit like a 85 year old (built in 1887 and we model 1960) sandstone bridge well seasoned by the steam locos plying their trade under it 200 times aday!!!
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/5099-281119163643.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84467)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/5099-281119163712.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84468)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/5099-281119163734.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84469)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Train Waiting on November 28, 2019, 05:02:05 PM
Looks an excellent job.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: dannyboy on November 28, 2019, 05:43:34 PM
Looks very realistic.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 28, 2019, 05:45:43 PM
Thanks @dannyboy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4209) I will get to hide the vertical stone joints with overhanging growth and bits once the scenery is coming together. Try and make it a bit more real!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 30, 2019, 11:50:03 AM
The Grand Opening ceremony by the local mayor is yet to happen so for now the running in board remains covered, it should of been a beautiful shade of SR Green but for some reason sky blue will have to do.

This is exactly as the platform was, the fenced recess is to allow for a platform shelter which is still on the drawing board although enough information has been compiled to know exactly what style and size it was.

Peggy and Mavis are sat waiting with their egg sandwiches waiting for the ceremony to begin (I think Christmas might come and go before that happens).

Totem signs for the lamps are made, just impossible to cover as you can read the names so they can wait till lamps are wired and scenery is finished.

Board should be built by end of next week and might even have some ballasted track.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/5099-301119114811.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84543)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 30, 2019, 04:12:23 PM
And just to prove the lights work!! Down platform has now been surfaced and fences installed. Painting and weathering on that one before lights go on and platform wise this section is ready for mounting to the board and scenery.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/5099-301119161157.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84551)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 01, 2019, 10:53:19 AM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/5099-011219104354.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84574)
Well that's it, the platforms are complete and all weathered, signage added, bench and lampposts. All that remains is the concrete and asbestos roofed platform shelter.

Road bridge is now finished after a few washes of muck and another matt varnish.

Board will be built this week, and by the weekend I hope to have the track laid and ballasted. That then leaves me 16ft of scenery to carve and cover.

I only discovered static grass a couple of weeks ago so my list to Santa has included a Peco static grass applicator, I know lots of others are cheaper and you can make your own but my local shop is a peco stockist and we have a good relationship with him so I need him to stay 15mins up the road!!! So scenery wont be complete before Christmas but it will be quite near and it will give us 8ft of mainline running over Christmas, this doesnt link up with board 2, that is nearly laid but not wired but board 3 could be built at the same time as this one (board 4) and we could then have 16ft of mainline  :claphappy:

Steady it looks like were starting to get somewhere!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 01, 2019, 11:02:29 AM
Thats a decent length to operste a train 9
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 01, 2019, 11:10:09 AM
48ft overall running length chris with helix at each end
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 01, 2019, 11:41:49 AM
Atmospheriic lights. Pleased ?%⁷
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 01, 2019, 11:46:29 AM
The lights I am extremely happy with, they are as close to original as I can physically get, £10 for 6 all wired with resistors and run faultlessly out the box.

I have wired these to an old Farish trainset controller which gives me the ability to dim them down to try an imitate a set of 1950s station lamps rather then present day LED bulbs. Bearing in mind the white slab behind the platform reflecting the light back is a piece of plasticard so with that removed and the correct scenery it should look hopefully very atmospheric and realistic
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: BRMan on December 01, 2019, 04:58:50 PM
The lights look superb, where did you source them?  I'd like to get some for my little station.

Cheers
J
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 01, 2019, 05:02:58 PM
@BRMan (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7503) layouts4u.net

Brilliant service, not massive choice but exactly what I needed. £10 for a set of 6.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 15, 2019, 06:53:43 PM
By sheer coincidence as AlanK I too had to build a steel girder bridge for the layout.

Luckily this fell exactly on a board joint, I mean it's as if some calculations were done to achieve such luck  :uneasy:

The bridge, as I've built it was the best we could work out from a handful of pictures during our timeframe. Typically the bridge was not the focus of the photographer so a bit of work was required to get the information we needed.

The council changed the road over this bridge in 1974 and consequently the bridge needed to be rebuilt, the current bridge is a concrete deck with face brickwork so totally wrong for our period.

The road crosses the track at a 30° angle so the pillars had to be built on the skew as I've tried to replicate. There are still buttresses to add and huge retaining walls on the NE and SW side so these will be worked out and built.


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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 17, 2019, 10:46:35 PM


Well the abutments have been built and brick covered, I think I've just about managed to line the courses up  :hmmm:

Coping stones will be a dirty York stone colour, ribs and rivets run underneath the deck for some reason  :o was a good trial of my patience.

Time to dismantle the deck and send it to spray booth now, only problem is being black and white photos its impossible to know what colour 1950s steel bridges were painted ???

Any ideas or recommendations welcome...... please!!!
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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: maridunian on December 17, 2019, 11:02:17 PM
Red lead's a good bet (think Forth Rail Bridge) for which Halfords Red Primer would suit. One near where I grew up was a metallic mid grey. Filthy, of course!

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 17, 2019, 11:07:11 PM
@maridunian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2947) thanks Mike, I think the red might clash with my brickwork  :hmmm: not much salty sea air about where the bridge is.

I didn't know whether a rust patched matt black and well grotty would of been what 50s Britain would of allowed it to be like ??? Like my water tower diorama I made ???
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: maridunian on December 18, 2019, 09:23:56 AM
The 50's were actually pretty austere. WW2 had exhausted the country and the rail network in particular. Rationing didn't end until 1954. Serious investment in the railways came in the 60's. Grimy is timeless; pristine is fleeting..

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Newportnobby on December 18, 2019, 09:50:14 AM
I'd suggest similar treatment you mete out to your Butterley mineral wagons, Craig, and just some soot/smoke staining on the abutments :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: dannyboy on December 18, 2019, 11:41:37 AM
That bridge looks good @exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099) . I would go with a grotty, bit rusty, grey.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 18, 2019, 08:01:35 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/5099-181219195959.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85208)

Something a bit like this?????
Still lots to do but didn't know if this was too much or not enough????
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: dannyboy on December 18, 2019, 08:32:52 PM

Something a bit like this?????


That looks quite effective.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 18, 2019, 08:40:51 PM
Thanks David, I've since found a very good picture of what I think it needs (or I can get away with it looking) so will work away at that and get my retaining walls built!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: mk1gtstu on December 18, 2019, 10:41:32 PM
Looks great @exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099) , Where did you get the bridge sides from?

Cheers, Stu
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 18, 2019, 10:49:37 PM
Cheers Stu, still not there with the weathering yet but keep working on it.

The sides have been in the 'bits box' for dad reckons at least 30 years!!! He seems to think they are Kestrel.

It was a single track deck with the steel plate sides. Rivet detail is surprisingly good, meant I had to create the ribs underneath to match!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: mk1gtstu on December 18, 2019, 10:59:19 PM
Cheers Stu, still not there with the weathering yet but keep working on it.

The sides have been in the 'bits box' for dad reckons at least 30 years!!! He seems to think they are Kestrel.

It was a single track deck with the steel plate sides. Rivet detail is surprisingly good, meant I had to create the ribs underneath to match!!!

Ok cheers, Just that I hadn't seen any around like that before, they look very nice  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: maridunian on December 18, 2019, 11:03:47 PM
Looks great. Easier to add weathering than take it off, so maybe hold for now and review when it's sitting in context?

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Papyrus on December 19, 2019, 04:03:25 PM
That bridge looks good @exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099)

Looks a damn sight better than mine...  :(

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 19, 2019, 06:18:10 PM
That bridge looks good @exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099)

Looks a damn sight better than mine...  :(

Cheers,

Chris

I'm not sure about that Chris, I haven't seen yours  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Papyrus on December 20, 2019, 01:47:23 PM
You won't now.

I'm no perfectionist, but I was so dissatisfied with it I have binned it and am going to start again!

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 20, 2019, 01:56:34 PM
I too am no perfectionist or see myself as a particularly top spec model builder.

This is very simple plasticard parallelogram structures with plastruct square rod and pier caps, plastic plate sides to slide into and covered in brick paper.

I'm currently working on my retaining walls, which are upto 650mm long to get the correct length, brickpapering that is something of a testing time!! Photos to follow!!

I'm sure the lessons learnt in the previous build will be invaluable with the next one  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 20, 2019, 02:44:20 PM
Well the retaining walls were all scaled out and they are

NE retaining wall 650mm
SE retaining wall 147mm
NW retaining wall 92mm
SW retaining wall 420mm

Both eastern walls have been built and covered, copings are currently in the paint shop so will get fitted and the walls grimed up a bit, western walls will wait for board 5 to be built!!

Bridge structure is complete, I think the weathering is as bad as I'm going to go, footpaths and road surface to add once scenery is carved to allow it all to drop in, the NE wall, (the very long one) was all very overgrown during the 50s, it has since been cleared and provides a driveway to 2 new properties that were built in 2004.

So the plan now is to carve the rest of the cellotex and give it a good skim of 1 strike filler, this is very lightweight almost aerated foam but dries rock hardand then a few coats of paint before scenery gets applied (after Santas visit)
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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 20, 2019, 02:52:15 PM
realistic thus far. at least I enjoyed the tutorial which you have provided and the photos. maybe soot staining weathering where loco chimneys pass and mortars washed with brown brick limestone effect
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 21, 2019, 04:19:52 PM
Instead of getting my layout covered in plaster, I should of started it by now BUT.......

I had a bit of a tidy up this morning and found my latest selection of decals from John at Cambridge Custom Transfers.

I had a set for my Palbrick wagons in a bunch of 6 different lots. These were my first shapeways order and I've never worked with 3D prints but I managed to get them painted and varnished ready for decals so thought I'd have a go.

I was a bit concerned that the

Wagon Number
Wagon Name
Wagon Payload

XP rating
Wheelbase dimensions
Return destination

Triangle decals wouldnt fit the wagon so tried the side panel mounted versions first. Naturally these worked a treat. CCT decals are some of the easiest to work with, once you know how little time they need.

Now all 6of these wagons are Palbrick A's so to get the numbers out of the sheet I had to try the triangular decals. I cut them as tight as I dare and gave it a whirl. They both fitted so presumably the Shapeways designer made it a very true to scale model and CCT have produced exact size decals too  :claphappy:

I have successfully used MicroSol on their decals before but never on a 3D print so might have to see how they fully dry and how much carrier film is visible.

These are just sat on Peco chassis at the moment because I still haven't bit the bullet to test my small skillset to breaking point and attempt some 2FS chassis.

A bit of a way off joining the layout but a tiny step forward with no dramas!!

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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 29, 2019, 07:27:57 PM
Well after finally getting the scenery carved on the layout, theres a typical Victorian terrace street which I thought at best would be low relief, as it turns out I can get the full street of houses in BUT the back wings will be missing just to enable the back scene to be fitted.

I've never built a Metcalfe kit before and ideally the front doors and chimneys are on opposite sides to what they are in reality but these will do for now. I did buy a pack of Metcalfe brick paper and marked up and cut out a pair of fronts but getting the cills and lintels painted was nigh on impossible so the compromise (for the moment at least) is a street of Metcalfes. They scale up perfectly for the street so that's a good enough reason for them to get built. There will be 14 in total but the other 8 are for board 3.

I was very impressed with what you get in these packs, for £8 you really would struggle to get anything better I think. They go together very well and Railmatch dark rust is a very good match for the brickwork colour.

These have been built straight out the packet BUT I'm not happy with the way the back wing roofs fit with the eaves of the main roof. 20 years as a roofer and re-roofing a good thousand of these in my working life has taught me a couple of things. Also the fact that the roofs all join like they do isn't good enough for me but we have plans!!!

The brickwork joints will all be hidden by down pipes, luckily every house had their own so no dramas there.

Like I said 10 years I spent re-roofing this type of property so although these have been built out the packet, they arent quite good enough yet, lots of little details will get added and I hope that it wont take me very long to get them sorted so you can play 'Spot the difference' and see what I've done to them.
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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on December 29, 2019, 08:38:05 PM
are we going to see a cameo of you up a ladder replacing some tiles  >:D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: dannyboy on December 29, 2019, 08:39:29 PM
When I have joined one Metcalfe kit to another, I have printed out a sheet of roofing tiles onto A4 self-adhesive labels. As long as you get them straight, they look okay to me and hide the join between the two kits. To get the apex right, I stick the label to one half of the roof first, then hold it at roughly the correct angle, before I stick the remainder down, saves stretching the label or it trying to straighten itself out. Just a thought.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 29, 2019, 08:59:05 PM
@dannyboy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4209) yeah, these will be slightly different, I had some pictures of a church slate roof printed so they will be used.
Ridge tiles have already been made to fit.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: PLD on December 29, 2019, 09:51:31 PM
the roofs are generally considered the weakest aspect of most card kits (not just Metcalfe). On models we usually are looking downwards at them so have a better view of the roof than we normally do of the prototype so they need to look right. I always replace the roofs with something with some relief to it, either plastic sheet or on a few prominent buildings individual tiles/slates cut from thin plasticard..
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 31, 2019, 06:17:07 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/5099-311219180243.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85637)

South Terrace being slowly converted, unfortunately due to some holidays still waiting for bits and pieces to get them finished but No. 1,2 & 3 have been re-slated, chimney pots added and No 1 has had roll top ridges made and added.

This wraps up 2019 for me, it's been another successful year with regards to acquiring stock, some mate  :-[ managed to skint me many many times! Im sure hes bought himself a villa in St Lucia with the proceeds  :goggleeyes:

The knowledge that the forum has to share always blows me away and I would like to thank every one of you that's been able to help me out, hopefully at some points I've been able to contribute some worthwhile ramblings.

And December started off a bit grim for me personally BUT with every cloud we have had 16ft of running achieved in 3 weeks!!! Finally the layout is starting to get somewhere and the sheer amount of appreciation it has begun to receive is mind blowing. We all build something that were happy with but to have others appreciate your work is something special. Only 2 days ago someone requested that I post pictures of my work (I'm sure he was just being nice  :laugh3:)

So we go into 2020 with the same mammoth task ahead but with huge desire to get at least 40% of the layout complete by this time next year!!! 

I'm pleased to be apart of this wonderful network we have, and will bore you again next year I'm sure of that.

Enjoy your evenings everyone and I wish you, your families and friends a very Happy Healthy and Prosperous 2020!!!!

  :NGF:
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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on December 31, 2019, 07:16:01 PM
some mate ??

really  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 02, 2020, 08:00:59 PM
Happy new year All!!!

Well I've been debating over whether to post these pictures, it's very much work in progress so nothings the final finish.

This is one building of about 15 that I gave absolutely no thought about even looking at let alone having to build!!! Now the building does still exist and in very much the original external build which is nice and handy for me.

Again this has been built using my knowledge of this Regency Villa type of building rather then any form of technical drawing. I was able to stick Google earth measure over everything so that at least confirmed the footprint was right. And more shockingly once the footprint was cut to size I left that on the bench and drew lines on the layout as to where it should sit and pure luck I'm sure it fitted EXACTLY where it was meant to fit!!!

Brass windows have all been ordered and waiting for them to fit prior to the external skin being fitted, hence the openings being a little bit off square at the moment, this is 0.5mm plasticard sheet and then the brass windows fit inbetween and allow a 0.8mm skin over the top with the exact openings cut for the windows.

The openings on the front are to be built 2mm in front to give the correct front profile, so once the windows, which here are Bow top sash windows  :veryangry: have been installed these will be added.

This building had a 4ft parapet wall with upto 9" corbels on it, along with a 2ft sole stretcher with a nice half round relief on the top (this maybe sacrificed) and a 1ft mid height stretcher that is 4" protrusion, this will be added.

A natural slate roof complete with blue angles ridges rather then lead roll hips unfortunately. Chimneys were rendered apart from top 6 courses which are just straight blues with 4 pots on each stack.


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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: maridunian on January 03, 2020, 12:01:01 AM
Wow! Do you have any pictures of the prototype for us?

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 03, 2020, 08:34:49 AM
It might be wow when its finished Mike, it looks very ropey at the moment which is why I wasnt sure about putting pictures up.

Once I get the windows and render coat on the build along with some primer to get defined shapes I'll put up comparison pictures.

The footprint of the main build is 80mm x 76mm with a 32mm x 36mm 2 storey wing and a 24mm x 36mm lean too.

Theres still 2 single storey lean toos to be added on the back right hand side.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: PaulCheffus on January 03, 2020, 10:05:28 AM
It might be wow when its finished Mike, it looks very ropey at the moment which is why I wasnt sure about putting pictures up.

Hi

I find it quite interesting how people have gone about making things and it isn't always obvious when it has been painted / finished.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 03, 2020, 10:56:12 AM
Like most buildings Paul, absolutely shocking behind all the detail but hopefully with some shiny windows and a polished render finish it wont look too horrific.

I'm glad I got the roof right, a first fix chippie and roofer that gets a roof wrong, that'll never do!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 03, 2020, 09:20:42 PM
Well the next property up the street will be on the back scene but its garden stretched down to the retaining wall alongside the line so that has to be modelled.

This was converted from its Regency manor to flats just after WWII and as a consequence there was a set of 3 and 5 concrete garages erected on the footprint of the coach house.

This meant garages were needed, I looked at Peedie Models as I've just ordered my windows from him and he does singles and doubles of pre-fab garages exactly right but I'd have to join all those together and paint them as well so..........

Raiding the scraps plasticard box, double checked the measurements and my set of 3 and 5 were knocked up and in true '50s style a corrugated asbestos roof has been added and theyve been through the spray booth for primer.


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Just to make sure a couple of 'close to' period cars to double check, this was a time when a car lived in a garage, or you could get them in at least!!!

Now the good part of painting and weathering them, only lightly though as they'll only be 10 / 15 years old at this point 
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 05, 2020, 02:31:15 PM
Well as we play the old waiting game for brass windows and other bits and pieces to finish off the buildings work moves back to getting stock ready to run.

SR were big fans of BSK coaches, Mk1 BCKs arrived in '63 so we at least get to run some of them!! On a summer Saturday it was not uncommon for over 120 BSKs in various formations to be leaving Waterloo on West of England services. Many boat trains and the ACE ran BCKs of Maunsell and Bullied designs as well as the later arriving Mk1, these were preferred as they had 5 seating compartments and a smaller van section them the BSK.

BSKs were popular on  virtually every other train leaving and as a result we needed a few more then the 12 weve been lucky enough to obtain. The problem with 8 years of research is that by the time you realise you need something they are no longer available  :veryangry:

Any way a very good friend of mine was having a bit of a clear out and managed to twist my arm into purchasing
6x GUVs
2x BCKs
1x RFB
13x BSKs
All in Blue Grey but the price was favourable enough to warrant the full strip, attempt at repaint, re-decal and run.

Well typically any Farish Blue Grey needs at least 24hrs in IPA. My IPA tank (Carte d'or ice cream tub with secure lid) can only hold 6 coaches so that's the max I can work with.

The process is select 6 coaches and strip chassis, roof, handrails and glazing.
24hr soak in IPA
Lifted out and left 4hrs on paper towel to dry
Blast airbrush over at 50psi to remove paint
Return to IPA if necessary
Finish scrubbing with an old toothbrush (Mrs EC can taste IPA so cant use hers anymore  :D)
Good soaking in warm clean water and leave again to dry
Before painting in primer each coach is warmed up and ensured all water is out from under gutters using a hairdryer
2 or 3 coats of primer as necessary
4 to 6 coats of green, getting the window reveals is the time consuming part here
2 coats of clear gloss varnish
Fit decals, paint door handles and any highlighted details as required
2 coats of matt varnish
Paint all grey window outlines green to match
Paint chassis solebar matt black
Refit glazing, roof, handrails and chassis
Weather

I currently have
5 BSKs in the spray booth on coat 5 of green, hopefully all ready for the next stage
5 BSKs stripped and in IPA tank
10 chassis matt blacked
Currently masking and painting window bars on 20sets of glazing  :'(

The GUVs had all gone through this process a while ago BUT a layer of dust had come up from the bottom of the spray booth and settled in my fresh varnish  :censored: only noticable a week after once theyd dried bitty and orange peeley so I've trialled fibreglass brushing them to flat them prior to another coat of clear to see if that works, after thoroughly cleaning and recovering the bottom of the spray booth with brown paper!!!

This is my first of the 2 trialled. The one on the right is factory produced GF. Considering I mixed the paint and painted the left myself I'm pretty pleased with the colour. Once decalled and weathered hopefully charging past on an XP at 3ft away they will look satisfactory

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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 09, 2020, 07:03:34 PM
Well as it is yet to be planted on the layout I felt it was only right this appeared in my workbench thread as it's still sat on there!!

My allotments are now virtually complete.

We have in no particular order and I'm pretty sure I should know that some of these will not be in the state of ripeness altogether but my idea was to give a good representation of british allotments  and the pride and passion that was displayed on such sites,

Apple saplings
Plum tree
BlackBerry bushes
Corn on the cob
Tomatoes
Cucumber
Lavender
Tulips
Runner beans
Sunflowers
Strawberries
Primroses
White and Red cabbage
Various other greenery bits

Ted has finally got his plot and spent the last few weekends clearing it of old vegetation and actually got his shed erected,  of which, as hes cleaning the windows he is very proud of.

Reg is busy forking over his pulled line of spring onions ready to plant his winter crop

Derek is weeding round his cucumbers

And Cyril still pushing his barrow of muck down to his marsh marigolds is fuming that the society STILL haven't cleared Dennis' plot of all its rye grass that's overtaken plot 19 since his departing and his widow not being able to get up to sort it out.
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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: port perran on January 09, 2020, 07:28:57 PM
What a nice tidy allotment.
If my real one is anything to go by, you’ve forgotten one vital component.........WEEDS!
Seriously though, it looks good - great work.

Martin
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 09, 2020, 07:40:41 PM
 :thankyousign: @port perran (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230)

We have a set :hmmm: of allotments at either end of our fields, one set are sort of toffee nosed and never want to do anything other then moan about the pigs in their pens the other side of the road so arent very approachable but every one has a little shed and all exact every part of it down to mowing and edging all the paths.

The one the other end is a bit more of a working man's allotment full of twine, bamboo and a bit raggy, they ALWAYS stop us when were in the fields next to them, cutting the hedges or riding the horses past, so very nice people and Cyril on that site grows dahlias, used to show them and has won plenty of trophies for them, Mrs EC always gets a bunch when hes cutting!
The quality of the grown produce on this site is far better then the other.

So I've gone for the tidyness of one side but the quality and colour of the friendly ones. They never have weeds as their always working away.

You can blame yours on being Ill  :D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Newportnobby on January 09, 2020, 07:55:20 PM

Ted has finally got his plot and spent the last few weekends clearing it of old vegetation and finally got his shed erected of which as hes cleaning the windows he is very proud of.


That must mean Ted has sorted out the drainage in the lower field, which will please Ralph no end ;)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on February 02, 2020, 06:42:31 PM
Well Tanks not going to be too impressed. Less then 24hrs after my account gets upgraded to allow photos again I go and post this.......

My boxfile layout, (which has changed and been lengthened and widened so no longer fits in boxfiles) needed a form of motive power. It is all built using some years old setrack we had but it's been cleaned, rewired and laid and ballasted. Once weathered I'm hoping it will look alright. Most of it is under concrete ground cover anyway!!!

Originally I'd toyed with the idea of a Class 47 as I really do like them, it might still happen BUT another old favourite is the Class 08.

Proper little workhorse, apparently a few years ago you could buy one for a few hundred quid. Mrs EC is glad i didn't know this!!!!!

So a very good mate offered me the latest 08 in BR blue for a silly price so i snapped his hand off. Rails of Sheffield have had a couple of 08 bodies on their website for a few months for £20 (£34.95 on their Ebay page) so I treated myself to a NSE liveried IVOR the Engine.

My oh my is she a detailed beast. We had the old GF 08 in a set but these are poles apart. She is to be repainted, which is why I bought another body just in case it all goes wrong I can have one running in BR Blue  :-[

So my plan is to flat her down, I cant IPA bath her as I want to keep the wasp stripes. I'm not repainting them!!!! So I need to work out how much and how I can strip ladders, handrails, is glazing or the whole cab removable??? And gets base coat of paint on her.

If anyone still here......can you recommend a good set of couplers that I can convert her to for some nice shunting work???? Dapol Magnetics or Kadee??? This is a world i know nothing about so any help advice or recommendations are sought and greatly appreciated.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/5099-020220184000.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87052)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: maridunian on February 02, 2020, 07:05:35 PM
Apparently the cab does come off by sliding upwards. @Caz (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=202)'s  excellent article  (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=7368.msg83384#msg83384) discusses that.

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on February 02, 2020, 07:40:02 PM
Cheers Mike @maridunian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2947) I've managed to strip it to  a bare shell now.

Only broke 1 plastic handrail which I've now drilled out and will fit N brass handrail knobs and rails.

Might be in primer by the end of the day!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: martyn on February 02, 2020, 08:18:56 PM
We use B+Bs on James St with considerable success.

One bonus is that there is no need to do a 'shuffle' to uncouple: merely reversing over a fixed or electromagnet lifts the coupling loop over a delay bar: when the engine is drawn forward, the vehicles uncoupled remain where left.

See the thread in the 'Couplings' section of the Forum.
Martyn
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on February 06, 2020, 06:01:34 PM
I've just received an order from a company called Shedring Hobbies, they are a 3d printed company mainly for 1:76 scale but do a few N gauge items, all modern stuff.

I ordered a set of 16yd skips for my Clifton Wood layout as its present day and needed some yard junk.

The items from SR are cheap, presumably because of the print lines that are very visible on virtually every item BUT I must say from 3ft away they probably dont look too horrific.

We very occasionally have a 16yd skip so very used to looking at the battered old skip that gets sent out, like it's been languishing at the back of the yard, about to take root with a family of 40 different species living in most of it.

So after a quick slosh about with some different rust colours, bit of silver to show it is metal and a meagre coat of yellow to show it was once a worthy commodity to the skip company we end up with this bit of a transformation

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/5099-060220175801.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87194)



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/5099-060220175854.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87197)

I didnt bother trying to flat the lines, I've got 3 more to play with so I might try to flat it but once tucked behind a warehouse it might not be worth the effort...... :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: maridunian on February 07, 2020, 09:37:14 AM
A coat of filler primer (Halfords) then light rub down with 400 grit wet and dry would mostly hide the lines. Plus that primer's yellow!

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on February 08, 2020, 10:28:01 PM
Well jumping to Clifton Wood I needed a few front loaders for shovelling biomass into a conveyor hopper into the blending shed.

Shapeways came up trumps with some very decent looking machines that were adaptable to pose into different set ups and were duly ordered.

I also purchased some authorised Caterpillar Heavy Plant Machinery yellow from Hiroboy. So this afternoon after everything has been prepared for the storm I set about building and painting the machines.

1 BIG problem!!!!! The authentic Cat paint isnt anywhere NEAR Caterpillar plant yellow  :censored: this was a massive blow, all my homework relating to Caterpillar Front loaders was carried out at the Tarmac run quarry on 100 acres of our land, they quarry sand and gravel.

It looks more like Komatsu yellow and therefore the cab is technically wrong BUT they will have to be a hybrid.

Still lots of weathering to add and maybe a few little details. The cab has a full interior so could do with squeezing a body in there!!! Still got 3 left to get through all with buckets at different heights and angles.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/5099-080220222615.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87275)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on February 22, 2020, 03:49:00 PM
With the construction of Clifton Wood moving quite quickly the ultimate machine was to be an elevated cab Liebheer LH80 materials handler.

These are like a normal 360° machine but on a wheeled base and huge outriggers fore and aft to stabilise themselves and the cab is on it's own elevating armature controlled by rams to elevate itself to a height for the driver to oversee everything hes working with.

I have been lucky enough to purchase a Komatsu PC300 360° excavator with a fully detailed cab on a swivel base and fully piston controlled armature, also in my box of goodies was a mobile crane complete with outriggers and a very detailed chassis.

The 2 were adapted in their own ways, the crane lost its chassis and 10mm out the middle of it, the 360 lost its tracks and the cab was removed and adapted. A driver was JUST squeezed in after filing a great chunk off his rear end and a small filing off his head!!

A new base complete with deck was added to the underside and I'm just needing to add some brass guard rails to it.

The ram for the bucket was no longer required so was removed and drilled out to allow a long  .45mm brass rod to be inserted to mimmick the ram for the elevated cab. It all needs painting and a few details BUT after false promises from 3 different 3d printing companies I had to try to create one myself.
Still working on the log grab but we have a plan for that!!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/5099-220220154253.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87794)

After researching how biomass power plants work it became apparent that willow is the best fuel to create biomass as it grows at a decent rate and within 4 years you can be harvesting your crop to provide you with a suitable sized log to be chipping with the minimal amount of moisture content!, who'd of thought youd need to know that to built an N gauge layout!!!!  As luck would have it we have a few willows growing alongside the main line at the bottom of the drive so a quick run down after lunch on my way to the sheep I thought I'd have a few cuttings, its probably a bit green but for a realistic willow crop for loading wagons I think wed struggle to find a closer match then willow itself  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on February 22, 2020, 04:03:48 PM
deffo the dog's, or more appropriately for you, ram's :censored:.

do I assume you'll need more bits in future  :hmmm:

 
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on February 22, 2020, 07:59:29 PM
The issue of model rail has a feature on making realistic cheap logs from twigs and only pva and a craft knife are needed craig
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on February 23, 2020, 10:11:38 AM
In my newly acquired various construction vehicles was a Kato Road Sweeper. These appear to be based on the HINO chassis and probably 15years ago HINO actually had a dealer network in the uk mainly producing 8x4 tipper wagons and the like so a road sweeper in the uk is totally plausible, especially as Clifton Wood is loosely based north of Carlisle and therefore a frugal Scottish company would rather have this then a £100k scania!!!  >:D

The kit comes with mirrors, ladder and handrail, positionable brushes and the water jet bar on the front bumper.

I have added the gulley clearing hose over the roof, a drainage hose on the back to plug a hole and a keep right arrow. The rear lights have been painted and the rear bumper given a red stripe.

A bloke local to us works for Faulks from Nottingham but gets to take his sweeper home as hes always working around Leicester, this is a state of the art top spec scania and he is ALWAYS cleaning it, but I'd imagine if you were on a sweeping contract in a biomass plant the only time it would get cleaned is if something went wrong and repairs were needed. With this is mind a full on dusting was applied, naturally the screens and mirrors are clean but the rest hopefully looks well worked!!
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/5099-230220100929.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87830)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/5099-230220100953.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87831)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/5099-230220101020.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87832)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 15, 2020, 09:39:15 PM
So work continues to get the details in at Clifton Wood, first up is a pair of RedImp portacabins

These will have AWJ green details which takes about 7 coats after grey primer so a long process coming, I got these as pretty much every industrial site these days has a pair but as were viewing from the other side to what I originally planned their use has become somewhat redundant.

So I decided to set them up as a truck drivers restroom complete with kitchen on the top with a toilet and shower block on the bottom, any drivers tramping will be overnighting in their cab so theyd love a shower and a bite to eat.

The kitchen was made out of some plastruct rod and cut out a section to imitate a breakfast bar complete with 2 stools, the chef is a GF policeman painted white, although he looks like hes on a Victorian safari once inside the building hes impossible to see.

The sofa was made the same way just scraps of plastruct and painted, it's meant to be like the big deep angled back piece together sofa units that come with temporary office buildings. Richard's just about to leave so shouting past Nick to thank Gordon the chef (not that hes bothered to unfold his arms to acknowledge him)

The next little detail is Grit Salt bins, unfortunately I didnt have anything that resembles Grit or Salt so I've robbed so transfers out the box, dont look too closely as they read INSULATED instead   :dunce: I think from distance it will hopefully just look like black lettering


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-150320213718.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89039)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-150320213742.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89040)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on March 15, 2020, 09:43:12 PM
Craig looks like you have found a niche for the likes of excavators  road sweepers etc. Is that a tomix komatsu ? Product
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 19, 2020, 07:56:06 PM
The wagons I bought for Clifton Wood were made by someone for my mate who sold them to me, it was only a week after I'd received them that he realised that hed sent me the wrong wagons!!!

The ones I'd been sent were built as pipe wagons not timber wagons so the stanchions were too far apart for prototypical log wagons. Alan gave me the option to return them so he could send me the proper timber wagons BUT not one to be beat I hacked off the original stanchions and another mate @njee20 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1147) 3d printed me 180 legs that were suitable for these wagons.

I did look into buying some of the NGS kit 54b KSA wagons, I may still do but after reading Ben Andos build thread on the initial trial build of the kit, as much as I'd love all the ratchet straps and bulkhead detail I dont think I'm quite up to building that standard of kit yet.  :uneasy:

So these are a very long way off being able to run on the layout but hopefully they look a bit more authentic. A bit of sanding and  a lick of paint and then a few hundred hours of cutting my willow into 18mm slices to stack onto them  :-[
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-190320195435.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89205)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on March 19, 2020, 08:10:46 PM
that's right,
blame your supplier  :-[

the new stakes do look good, and AFAIK the paint scheme was Halfrauds red oxide primer.

by the way, am I right that the chamfer on the top of the stakes is now the other way round ?

by the way, the black log wagons are still available, should you want a rake of 16? >:D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 19, 2020, 08:19:21 PM
Theyll get recoated in Red oxide rattle can and then white and rust stanchions,

I did have a discussion with Nick about which way round the chamfer goes as one drawing had the angle into the wagon, I chose to have it away from the wagon so it matched the headboards, I dont know which way is right or wrong  :dunce:

Ha, I'd definitely love to have a rake of 16, along with another 23 of Nick's biomass hoppers, problem I have is that Clifton Wood is already 3 times the size it was meant to be, to run the stock volume I want it would need to be 30 times bigger!!!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on March 19, 2020, 08:27:20 PM
you have other barns don't you  >:D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on March 19, 2020, 08:53:00 PM
I did have a discussion with Nick about which way round the chamfer goes as one drawing had the angle into the wagon, I chose to have it away from the wagon so it matched the headboards, I dont know which way is right or wrong  :dunce:

I suspect the chamfer should be inboard - so that when the logs are dropped in if any hit the stanchions they get deflected inwards rather than out.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: dannyboy on March 19, 2020, 09:14:33 PM
In this part of Ireland we have a lot of forestry. I know I am talking about road haulage, but all the tree trunk carrying trailers I have seen have the chamfer inboard, probably for the reason mentioned by @chrism (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7182) .
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 21, 2020, 03:39:52 PM
In my box of construction equipment I bought off a mate were 2 Tomytec Logging Wagons
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-210320153151.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89280)
Again Hino chassis but as were up north these can belong to a penny pinching firm north of the border, the biggest problem with them was that these were destined to carry full tree loads rather then 3m cut logs that our forestry wagons deal with, and as such the loads that will arrive at Clifton Wood.

I have a proper tech spec image of the Scania forest wagons A W Jenkinson have on fleet so have an idea as to what they should look like


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-210320153507.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89281)

So luckily Tomytec wagons are all clip together make up so a quick strip down and out with the plasticard. Now this is in no way finished, theres plenty of detail to add and sort out but hopefully a start in the right direction
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-210320153723.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89282)
I'm hoping someone has detailed their own hiab to give me a few pointers on whether it's worth the hassle of attempting to fit hydraulic hoses and the like???
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 22, 2020, 10:35:27 AM
Still under run bars to be finalised along with straightening the stanchions.

Log loads are all made to be fully removable  :'( whose idea was that!!!!!

Hiab has had a high mount seat attached to the neck and an imitation hydraulic ram for the end boom, still log grab to be built and added, I've attempted to add hydraulic hoses but it's more hassle then it's worth and they looked a good bit over scale so easier to go without.

Luckily with Clifton Wood as small as it is I cant run more than 1 of these, I am tempted to try an articulated version rather then a drawbar as well though.  :hmmm:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-220320103422.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89321)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 27, 2020, 05:58:18 PM
Well with the structural side of Clifton Wood complete I'm waiting on a few additional details while I'm building stacks and stacks of willow blocks, 18mm cuts of willow  16mm high and 240mm long!!!!!

The main loco is to be an 08 gronk, this, at this moment in time (mainly because I want to play) is BR Blue, I have a replacement body that is part way through a paint job.

So as this delightful little workhorse is going to be approaching 65 years old (give or take) and the repaint into blue was probably at least 30 years ago I guessed she was going to look a bit grotty.

Like my thread begins with I've been weathering wagons, even top quality revolutioN ones I've had a go on, a couple of coaches and 1 N class Mogul (which got a good reception from you on here) not being a diesel man, or even modern image modelling this was going to be a risk!!!

So I mixed up a somewhat faded BR blue, it looked good to me, shot a quick couple of coats of varnish over the box fresh finish. This was then dry brushed with my homemade br blue. Couple of coats of grime and then a very thin black wash over bits and pieces.

Drama when I came to peel of the maskol on the glazing  :'( the side panel just fell inside!!!! I do need to get inside to get her chipped but still something I didnt want to be doing.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-270320175416.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89585)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-270320175439.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89586)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-270320175505.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89587)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-270320175527.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89588)

I'm very happy with how shes come out, I need to polish the buffer heads but after honest opinions and what I've missed as this is a bit out of my comfort zone 
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on March 27, 2020, 06:17:17 PM
Stunning.i would leave alone. Really must be pleased. Polished buffer heads would only look good if hauling an express or an important top link duty
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 27, 2020, 06:20:50 PM
Cheers Chris, yeah sorry my mistake, polish the grime off to make them look like theyve been shunting and the grime has been worn off by contact!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on March 27, 2020, 06:22:33 PM
What are you using craig to polish ? They look ok to me
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on March 27, 2020, 06:28:07 PM
Cheers Chris, yeah sorry my mistake, polish the grime off to make them look like theyve been shunting and the grime has been worn off by contact!!

Maybe just a dab of silver paint in the centres?
Buffers are usually convex so they wouldn't have made contact across the whole face, just the centre - possible a horizontal ellipse shape to show contact wear when working tight curves.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 28, 2020, 09:19:23 AM
Well after looking at the pictures again last night I thought the gronk looked a bit dark. The faded blue didnt seem to show itself well enough.

I know that fading BR Blue is a notoriously hard job and I'm definitely only a weathering beginner, as in I've attempted to weather 10 bits of stock!!!! So this morning I sat back down at the bench and found a few faults......

• the blue didnt show faded just dirty
• I'd not rusted any hinges or door corners
• the buffer heads needed signs of use
• the chassis didnt have any clumpy grime or rust
• the glazing is too pristine


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-280320091400.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89670)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-280320091424.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89671)

So I've made a start,

I've rubbed some of the airbrushed weathering off to try to show more faded blue.
Added rusty patches to hinges and door edges
Attempted to show buffer wear
Added powdery grime to the chassis

The glazing I will tackle once I've popped the cab off and stuck the one side back in.

Hopefully shes looking a bit better now? When I sit down with my coffee and sausage sandwich in a bit I'll actually read the NGS BR blue supplement, I never knew I'd need to read it!!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on March 28, 2020, 09:44:06 AM

• the buffer heads needed signs of use


They look right to me now.
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on March 28, 2020, 09:47:01 AM
Seconded. Simply well weaThered
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: maridunian on March 28, 2020, 09:51:34 AM
This looks great to me Craig. Not sure I'd bother with changing the buffer surfaces - maybe a bit of lube oil on a fingertip to represent grease?

A quick skim through Flickr looking for "Class 08" reveals every weathered example is pretty unique. The features that are always blacker than other parts seam to be the exhaust area (obvs) and also the vents ahead of the cab.

Eg https://flic.kr/p/dyDVnf

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 28, 2020, 10:00:31 AM
@maridunian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2947) nice photos Mike  :claphappy:

I think I'll grubby those 4 vents and footplate and leave it at that.

I'm very happy with my first attempt at BR blue so dont want to risk ruining her now!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: mk1gtstu on March 28, 2020, 10:07:25 AM
You've made a nice job of that, looks superb  :thumbsup:

Cheers, Stu
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on March 28, 2020, 10:08:39 AM
They are the moulded air filters grilles just a light black paint in a horizontal brush stroke would do
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 28, 2020, 10:13:27 AM
You've made a nice job of that, looks superb  :thumbsup:

Cheers, Stu

 :thankyousign: cheers Stu, high praise indeed, especially as I believe @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) rates you as one of THE BEST at weathering!!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 28, 2020, 12:57:22 PM
Right that's it. As far as I'm concerned I cannot get her any better. She looks very good to me and @port perran (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230) ALWAYS says "if it looks right, it is right"

I'm no mercig but extremely pleased with how its turned out. If I've made any glaring errors I'll have to live with it. (That doesnt mean you cant tell me)



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-280320125609.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89675)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-280320125632.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89676)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on March 28, 2020, 01:16:02 PM
does it still growl if you don't put a spot of whisky in the diesel oil  :hmmm: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on March 28, 2020, 01:18:25 PM
The crew posed makes a difference
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 30, 2020, 02:53:54 PM
Well the track panels were  built over Christmas and I've finally got round to putting them together to make the loads for my sturgeons.

I'm a bit disappointed with myself for making my panels BEFORE I got the sturgeons. Although the track panel measures up to 60ft, I dont know how big a sturgeon deck is but I do wish I'd made my panels the same size!!!

However I do know that six 60ft panels were loaded and presumably were chained onto the wagon????

I have mocked 1 up with chains but welcome advice and information as to what way they should be secured.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-300320145317.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89842)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on March 30, 2020, 03:28:36 PM
I have mocked 1 up with chains but welcome advice and information as to what way they should be secured.

Turn buckles I would have thought - good luck modelling those in 2mm/ft scale  ;)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 30, 2020, 03:32:18 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-300320153205.gif) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89843)
These from Nick then???
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on March 30, 2020, 03:40:26 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-300320153205.gif) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89843)
These from Nick then???

That's cheating  :P
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 30, 2020, 03:41:54 PM
It's taken 10 years to get here, imagine if I have to make 24 of them  :'(  :dighole:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 30, 2020, 06:50:23 PM
Well I got out early this morning to chain harrow the fields, this was done before i rolled them and drained, scrubbed and refilled all the water troughs in 8 of our turnout fields.

I was done by 4 o'clock and Mrs EC approved me going home!!!!! :laugh3:

A very good while ago I purchased a non working Dapol schools locomotive. It was about £50 I think, having never owned a schools or even looked at them I had no idea if I was going to be able to get it working.

Well it turns out I could if I ordered a new pair of pickup wires that link between the cab and tender, a new driveshaft and a tender drawerbar. Someone had clearly dropped this and obliterated the tender drive. No other damage was on it.

I think it was the summer when DCC supplies had stock and I ordered all the parts I needed, they arrived and like many things got put in a box marked SCHOOLS and left.

To be perfectly honest I'd forgotten that I bought it until today and I remembered that I had purchased the necessary parts so I sat down at the bench and thought I'd have a go.

After 10mins of dropping screws into the loco cradle, realising my right hand does not coordinate with my left very well at important times and nearly driving myself silly I got it all back together and on the test track.

 :jawdropping: she works!!!!, :laugh3:

So basking in my own glory I went on and stuck a driver and fireman in the cab, headcode discs on the front of her and real coal in the bunker. She will get a light weathering but at least she doesnt need to be renumbered!!!!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-300320184821.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89850)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-300320184847.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89851)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on March 30, 2020, 06:54:24 PM
She looks stunning ! I meant your loco.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: maridunian on March 30, 2020, 07:20:24 PM

However I do know that six 60ft panels were loaded and presumably were chained onto the wagon????

I have mocked 1 up with chains but welcome advice and information as to what way they should be secured.


Some examples with chains but most with straps at https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 31, 2020, 10:29:39 AM
Not to suggest that I've not got alot to fill my days at the moment but when your out a 5 in the frost come 8.30 the necessary work is done but today is to be a quiet day anyway. We felt we deserved another Sunday type day as weve caught up with most things.

So that was me back in the office. Weathered Schools locomotives in BR black arent the easiest to find in colour photographs so working from other images of mixed traffic BR black locos I've attempted to weather my school.

 :hmmm:


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-310320102304.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89913)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-310320102332.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89914)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/5099-310320102355.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=89915)

When I was discussing weathering with Dr Al for my Zs, it is very hard to subtly weather a steam loco. It's very very easy to get exceptionally wrong and as I'm no expert or even half an expert this was a very conservative approach to the subject.

As it's a Nine Elms loco on a return from Exeter on a rare WoE working shes travelled some miles today so passing through our layout she should look a little bit travel worn. I'm hoping that I havent ruined her and she gives the illusion of a hard days work slogging up the banks on the withered arm. ????
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: dannyboy on March 31, 2020, 10:33:04 AM
That looks good Craig, I think the level of weathering is just right.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on March 31, 2020, 10:33:34 AM
Is that real coal in the tender ?
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on March 31, 2020, 10:35:02 AM
@dannyboy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4209)  :thankyousign:

Is that real coal in the tender ?

Yep, every steam loco I have gets real coal, even the ones in the shed!,
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on March 31, 2020, 10:35:59 AM
Absolutely stun ning
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: maridunian on March 31, 2020, 11:49:33 AM
Looks spot-on to me!

Mike
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 01, 2020, 05:45:53 PM
So today I tried to hard wire a Zimo mx616 into my Class 08 for Clifton Wood.

Soldering is something I havent done for nearly 25 years when I just started secondary school. I have a relatively decent Weller soldering iron and some semi decent flux and low melt solder but absolutely no skill in doing the job.

Needless to say I ran into difficulties and I turned to the clever people on here to help me out.

@Only Me (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1328) suggested "looks like you need to practice soldering" and rightly so!!! It is horrific and no surprise why I struggled.

However that's what I needed to be told, well I already knew it was  :censored: but to have someone else have the balls to tell you I am grateful for him for that.

So still struggling with my 08 I decided as the soldering iron was on the bench practice was very much needed.

I first started soldering some brass fencing together left over from Clifton Wood, some nice Peedie models etched security fencing. Nothing elaborate just straight butt joints and corners. It needs filing back in a couple of places but it was a massive improvement. I think  :hmmm:


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-010420173848.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90043)

So once those bits had run out I had to have a rummage in th NBL box from TINGS, a few Bulleid front bogies but I cant afford to ruin one of those. So I found a couple of Platelayers trolleys and thought I'd give one a whirl.

Nothing to taxing in them, apart from 3 piece wheels but I was more then upto try to better myself.

A good hour of tiny bits of work and dabs of the soldering iron and i was left with this......

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-010420174141.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90044)

I got a couple of sets of spokes wrong as they span when I touched the iron and a few rough edges to tidy up with a file and fibreglass pencil but HOPEFULLY it can be viewed as a decent improvement on a few hours ago @Only Me (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1328) ????

I will continue to practice on whatever bits I can because it is definitely a skill worth being semi good at.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Only Me on April 01, 2020, 06:08:37 PM
Sorry about that I can be a bit blunt at times but if ive helped then if say hell yer! 🤣😂
Fencing looking good.. secret is twist the wires then tin the wire first before joining to a solder pad.  My weller i use at 360 degrees for soldering small wire
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 01, 2020, 06:14:39 PM
No apologies needed, best way to be. I see no point in telling someone it looks good if it doesn't. I knew it wasnt great but like everything another pair of eyes see plenty that's wrong.

I think I need to invest in some decent flux but once I was working, my Weller goes from 200° - 400° and had it around the 300 mark, the flux was working quite well but I think I probably used too much so it will most probably be green in the morning!!!,

On the fence i ran a line of flux then solder to 1 side, fluxed the other and needing 3 hands put heat back to the join to hope the solder flowed across joining the 2, it seemed to work most of the time, not giving up, a long way from being satisfactory but definitely worth the effort.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Dorsetmike on April 01, 2020, 07:00:19 PM
I have a piece of wood alongside my work top, saves melting plastic and when to many burn marks cover it it gets binned, but as well as preventing burns on other surfaces I also find it handy for holding some items, a suitable diameter hole will hold a wire or other metal piece, as for that fence I'd cut a slot or two in the wood and stand the fence parts in that.

The fun really starts when you are trying to assmble something like a loco cab, 2 sides, a roof, floor and front; for something like that I use a number of different melting point solders, say start with 300C+ join one side to floor, the other side to roof, turn down soldering iron to 270 and solder the side attached to roof to floor, turn down iron to next lowest solder temp and solder the other side of the roof, finally turn down further and solder the front to the sides, floor and roof, for jobs like this I prefer to use solder cream
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 01, 2020, 07:04:53 PM
Cheers Mike, you are clearly a very skilled man in the production of your loco fleet!!!!

I doubt I will ever get anywhere near tackling a loco build but bet you had a few wrong attempts through the years to get that knowledge of what bits joined with what solder.

The Joy's of our hobby!!!  :beers:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Dorsetmike on April 01, 2020, 08:39:57 PM
These 2 were what I "cut my teeth" on both scratch built from brass, I used tube for the boilers, used the lathe to scrape a bit off between the boiler rings, for the firebox just cut a "T" shaped slit at the back end and opened it out. I think splashers were probably the most awkward, if I was doing another I might use the plotter cutter to cut them from hard plastic or maybe use it to emboss a semi circle on brass sheet , assuming I can't get it to cut the brass, probably sacrifice a blade that way! Another thing I'd change is to use thinner wire for handrails. Both use UM tender drives.  The last A12 to be withdrawn was in late 1948 and never received BR livery nor number so no use for your period, the K10s did last a while though, last 2 went in mid '51  so probably still a bit before your layout time, even L11s were gone by the end of '52

Adams A12 0-4-2 "Jubilee" so called as they entered service in the year of Queen Vics Jubilee

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Dorsetmike's_pix/Dir_2/main_6600.jpg)

Drummond K10 4-4-0 - mixed traffic version of the C8,

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Dorsetmike's_pix/Dir_2/main_6597.jpg)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 01, 2020, 09:00:34 PM
How many years ago did you slog your way through those Mike???

I really hoped that after oxford produced the Adam's Radial tanks, someone would put out a RTR n gauge version for obvious reasons.

Maybe one day
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Dorsetmike on April 01, 2020, 09:37:42 PM
Best I can date is from when this pic was taken Feb 2002, the tender body was a modified Worsley Works etch. You can see the boiler rings  with no paint or lining to cover them. I also have a pic of the K10 in primer dated March 2002


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/2855-010420213221.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90067)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 01, 2020, 09:47:28 PM
Fantastic!!!

Are you impressed with how much has changed in the hobby in the last 20 years??

Obviously for you to own those even that short time ago, scratchbuilt was the only way, now someone would punch all that in on a screen at print it in 24hrs.

You probably spent 100 hours creating yours.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Dorsetmike on April 01, 2020, 10:53:34 PM
Make that changes in over 40 years, I started in late 1974.  100 hours is probably quite a bit longer than it actually took I would think less than 50, hand/eye coordination was a lot better in those days! I've seen a few 00 gauge A12s but no N gauge - someone will now reply with a pic of 2 or 3. I would imagine Mr Brighton of this forum has an ex LBSC 0-4-2 "Gladstone" I think the Southern was the only grouping company with 0-4-2s except maybe LMS inherited a few, but didn't keep them very long, 2 A12s made it into BR but never got 30xxx numbers let alone livery, withdrawn by Nov '48.

When my curent workbench projects are finished I'm contemplating a Drummond D15 among other things. My aim has been to reproduce as many locos of 1930s SR that ran in or around East Dorset, I also allow a few LMS/ex S&DJR. I also have a rake of Minitrix LNER teaks for the Bournemouth - York/Newcastle service. Funny though I've ignored the Bournemouth-Birkenhead (- nowt GWR here!)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: thebrighton on April 02, 2020, 10:31:24 AM

I really hoped that after oxford produced the Adam's Radial tanks, someone would put out a RTR n gauge version for obvious reasons.

Maybe one day

I couldn't wait and built one 10 years ago or so. This is it's second incarnation as it was originally in Southern livery before I moved to pre grouping.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/943-110716201816.jpeg)

Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 02, 2020, 11:30:24 AM
@thebrighton (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=943) I've been admiring your work for years and as you can see there is NO way I would have the ability to even attempt to get anything anywhere near!!!

Absolutely magnificent  :claphappy:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 04, 2020, 04:04:47 PM
Now it's quite unfortunate that the last few pieces shown on my workbench thread have been by clearly more skilled persons than I.

So apologies this is no
The Brighton
Dorset Mike
Dr Al
Stevie DC
Martyn

Or ANYONE else on the forum that can solder and produce fantastic pieces of work!!!!

I hadn't touched a soldering iron for the best part of 25 years until this week!!! And practice was desperately needed.
So out with the scraps and the NBL trolley. Every time I've been in the office this week I've spent a bit of time practicing and so today I felt I needed to try something to try and see something worthwhile at the end of it.

And this is it.......

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-040420160123.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90278)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-040420160144.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90279)

Theres a few :-[ rough edges and bits that I'm hoping to file back and get relatively decent before paint and still got to rig it but as others have said Nick of N Brass really can produce some fantastic kits and although not the best built  :-[ it has been nice to attempt to put together something decent looking.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: martyn on April 04, 2020, 05:03:06 PM
Hello Craig;

Don't know why you are apologising-that's an excellent piece of work.

If there are any rough edges, its surprising how many will come out with some gentle filing.

Good work!

Martyn
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on April 04, 2020, 05:07:30 PM
Practice makes perfect. Even I have learned by trial and error
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: maridunian on April 04, 2020, 06:58:28 PM
Wow! Just remind us of the real dimensions of this please Craig....
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 04, 2020, 07:06:17 PM


That's a proper 2p coin no trickery
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-040420190556.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90284)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 05, 2020, 12:12:27 PM
Well it was a good while ago I decided to strip the moulded handrails off a Bulleid Pacific and with Chris @Papyrus (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2975) mentioning them the other day I decided to attempt to crack on with mine.

As the rebuilt Bullied pacifics seem to of been forgotten about I decided that this one I should attempt to pull out all the stops and make it as detailed as I physically can.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-050420120534.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90310)

I've fitted proper wire handrails, luckily we have photos where some of these are bent all over the place so that's my excuse. Fitted steps on the Bufferbeam, although it looks twisted  :-[ N Brass front bogie with wheel overlays, the buffers on the original were bent and missing when I bought it so these were hacked off and a replacement one I had has been added, might protrude a bit too much but will see once I get the other one fitted. N Brass coupling hook complete with screwlink coupler squeezed into the hook.

Still very much work in progress but plan to fit a detailed cab complete with glazing and then I need to paint it  :doh:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Dr Al on April 05, 2020, 12:29:23 PM
Interesting model - I've got two of these for restoration currently, either missing parts or paint edgewear. They won't be going full handrails though.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 05, 2020, 12:38:14 PM
The problem I have @Dr Al (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263) is that 3 of my locos are TRULY PHENOMENAL  in every single way and they started out as boxes of parts, admittedly built by one of the finest N gauge loco builders in the country but it does show up all the bits missing from earlier GF stock on shed.

Short of sending everything to you I had to attempt something myself, it's great that virtually everything I need is available from Nick at NBL, and it's a bit of a
'I know what I need to make it better, I just dont necessarily have all the skill to do it justice, project'

Time will tell if I end up achieving anything like I want it to become  :-[
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 05, 2020, 02:32:04 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-050420143056.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90321)

Well I think that's about it and ready for the spray booth.

The list of modifications

New brass buffers
Vacuum pipe
Coupling hook and screwlink coupling
Lamp irons (2 on smoke deflectors to add)
Front buffer beam steps
NBL front bogie and wheel overlays
Copper pipework
Wire handrails
Tender drawerbar shortened

Then decisions to be made on what loco she becomes  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: emjaybee on April 05, 2020, 05:16:11 PM
That looks good bloke.

In my, limited, experience the thing that'll show up your workmanship will be a coat of primer.

I've done some 'fantastic' work on wagons, put a coat of primer on and thought *&$^%£ back to the sanding!

Well done for givin' it a go. I look forward to seeing the progress.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 05, 2020, 05:33:38 PM
@emjaybee (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5604) I know, I'm dreading what it's goingto look like   :'(

It's currently in there at the moment I'm waiting for it to dry but had to crack on with other things because I'll be too tempted to pick it up and make it worse  :-X
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on April 05, 2020, 05:35:38 PM
Copper pipework

Those drain cok :) pipes really are the mutt's nuts, mate  :thumbsup:
and the name was spelt correctly, but the swear filter doesn't like a legitimate technical term  ;)

Don't forget the big handwheel that goes on the front of that projection forward of the firebox beside the dome - I can't remember what the heck it's for but it's definitely rather prominent.

When painted, is she going to get the "Eastleigh Stripe"?

Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: martyn on April 05, 2020, 05:43:11 PM
If its a Merchant Navy, it has to be 35009 SHAW SAVILL. Its who. I  worked for, and the loco was shedded at either Exmouth Junction or Salisbury for most if not all its life.

Martyn
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 05, 2020, 05:46:57 PM
@chrism (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7182) The draincocks are just standard GF fittings in the extras bag with current Merchant Navies so I can take no credit for those at all  :no:

The red wheel will be fitted, luckily Nick at NBL has a fret of loads of hand wheels and 1 is the spot on size for it. I also have no idea what it's for but in my quest for a more detailed Bulleid I had to fit one.

Also I have no idea what an 'Eastleigh Stripe' is  :dunce:

Is it like a Burnley Wallet??  :D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 05, 2020, 05:48:33 PM
@martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447) unfortunately she wont become SHAW SAVILL, I do have an idea of who she might become but have offered Dad the chance to rename and number her.

He'll probably pick 35009 now  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on April 05, 2020, 05:59:31 PM
The red wheel will be fitted, luckily Nick at NBL has a fret of loads of hand wheels and 1 is the spot on size for it. I also have no idea what it's for but in my quest for a more detailed Bulleid I had to fit one.

I ought to know what it's for, having worked on them when I was in preservation, but I still can't remember. It's obviously some form of shutoff valve for something that isn't required from the the cab

Quote
Also I have no idea what an 'Eastleigh Stripe' is  :dunce:

Eastleigh had a tendency at one point to employ young lads as cleaners, who were too short to be able to reach right up to the top of the larger boilers - resulting in a really dirty stripe along the top of the boiler and firebox.

Quote
Is it like a Burnley Wallet??  :D

Er, no  :D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on April 05, 2020, 06:04:13 PM
@martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447) unfortunately she wont become SHAW SAVILL, I do have an idea of who she might become but have offered Dad the chance to rename and number her.

He'll probably pick 35009 now  :smiley-laughing:

If you can get the nameplates, I'd suggest 35006 or35019 - the longest name or the only one with script lettering on the plates ;)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 05, 2020, 06:05:59 PM
Ah it may well get the stripe at footplate IF my paint and lining job goes wrong  :D

There was a Bulleid Pacific 34058 I think, it was on shed being cleaned, one side was sparkling and the cleaners were about to start the other side when it was commandeered to replace a failed loco on a waterloo run, sparkling one side and filthy the other. Naturally it was seen by the powers that be and a 'Please Report' note was sent to the depot!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 05, 2020, 06:07:24 PM
@martyn (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=447) not that I'm a frequent shopper at Fox  :uneasy: they do the full set of plates for the Merchants and others only a handful of WC/BOB members that are currently unavailable
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: martyn on April 05, 2020, 06:12:12 PM
They didn't come from Richard Dockerill, did they?

I remember him many years ago showing Dave/southerngooner and myself one that he had built from a Langley kit on a Mintrix chassis.
Superb.

I can't find an excuse to run my 35009 on the Norwich via Ipswich line which my models are based on. There had been WC/BB  on the line in the very early 50s as part of the introduction of the Britannias on the line. And I believe that there were ten known occasions when they worked to either Colchester or, more surprisingly, Thetford, on troop train specials.. But not MNs....

Good work again,  keep it up.

Martyn
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on April 05, 2020, 06:39:06 PM
I can't find an excuse to run my 35009 on the Norwich via Ipswich line which my models are based on. There had been WC/BB  on the line in the very early 50s as part of the introduction of the Britannias on the line. And I believe that there were ten known occasions when they worked to either Colchester or, more surprisingly, Thetford, on troop train specials.. But not MNs....

The Merchant Navies were somewhat heavier than the "lights" - 21 ton as opposed to 18 ton axle load - which restricted their route availability. That could explain why they didn't get there.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 05, 2020, 06:52:16 PM
Ok so a few rough bits that need sorting  :'(

Not quite the brilliant 'works photo' but joined by stable mate 34051 Winston Churchill currently going through the same amount of detailing, just not requiring a full repaint but a proper polish to get her gleaming!! This will be one of only a couple immaculate engines on shed

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-050420185140.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90333)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: martyn on April 05, 2020, 07:03:57 PM
 :Reply #220, chrism :

Axle loading could have been a factor, I think it was one reason why V2s and the LNER Pacific were banned in East Anglia.

But for the MNs. I just presume that Stratford managed to find a loco for the trains. I don't know where these troop trains originated.

Thanks again.

Martyn
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Hailstone on April 08, 2020, 12:53:36 AM
The red wheel will be fitted, luckily Nick at NBL has a fret of loads of hand wheels and 1 is the spot on size for it. I also have no idea what it's for but in my quest for a more detailed Bulleid I had to fit one.

I ought to know what it's for, having worked on them when I was in preservation, but I still can't remember. It's obviously some form of shutoff valve for something that isn't required from the the cab


it is a shutoff valve for the fountain in the cab, which was the casting which all the other control valves, such as injectors, blower etc take steam from, which enabled repairs to be done on them without dropping the fire and waiting for the pressure to drop to zero - would still be bloody hot to work on though I should think (I have worked on injectors on western engines in steam and used welders mitts to get them off!)

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on April 08, 2020, 06:34:19 AM
The red wheel will be fitted, luckily Nick at NBL has a fret of loads of hand wheels and 1 is the spot on size for it. I also have no idea what it's for but in my quest for a more detailed Bulleid I had to fit one.

I ought to know what it's for, having worked on them when I was in preservation, but I still can't remember. It's obviously some form of shutoff valve for something that isn't required from the the cab

it is a shutoff valve for the fountain in the cab, which was the casting which all the other control valves, such as injectors, blower etc take steam from, which enabled repairs to be done on them without dropping the fire and waiting for the pressure to drop to zero - would still be bloody hot to work on though I should think (I have worked on injectors on western engines in steam and used welders mitts to get them off!)

Of course. Many thanks, I ought to have remembered but it's been quite a while since I worked on them.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 08, 2020, 08:05:05 AM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-080420080242.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90559)


So like @emjaybee (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5604) suggested, a coat of primer reveals the horrors that lurk beneath. It didn't come out too bad but there were a few bits I was unhappy with. As such I stripped her back to bare metal and will sort out the problem areas before trying again.

Once she was back to bare metal I temporarily added a headboard and headcode discs and she drew alongside 35022, this was how I thought super detailing 3 years ago would look, a horrible plastic coupling hook and a wrongly positioned vacuum pipe.

I'm pleased with how 35018 is coming along, lots of fettling to do and I think this is where all the good builders, who I'm pleased and honoured that most do comment on my work, these are who I would love to be able to get somewhere near half as good as, all these magnificent builders spot the problems and know how to overcome them and produce the perfect pieces they do. This is where I am right now, and it will take a while I'm sure but i endeavour to get it to the very best of my ability.

One problem is that dad has seen the comparison picture and first comment was "when are you looking at doing the same to 35022??"  :( :doh:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on April 08, 2020, 08:35:43 AM
I'm pleased with how 35018 is coming along,

Aha, so that's the name/number choice.
The first to be rebuilt and, incidentally, the second loco I worked on in restoration until the then owners ran out of money and we had to stop work on her.
I then moved across the shed and joined the Urie Locomotive Society guys working on Urie S15 (30)506 and, for a short spell partway through, the Drummond T9 (30)120
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on April 08, 2020, 08:44:00 AM
Is that c 79 / 80 up to 2 012 when BIL was owned by Messrs heather and bunch down the mid hants @chrism (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7182) ? And plenty of footage craig of her on railtours specials page @exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099) . Chris
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 08, 2020, 08:45:00 AM
@chrism (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7182)  :hmmm: not quite, that's what she started as and so currently known as.

I gave dad the opportunity to rename and number her but he gave his usual response of "I have no preference,  if you do, do that"

So I have, numbers and plates have been ordered from Fox.

That's not to say shes even being renamed and numbered either  :P
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on April 08, 2020, 08:59:22 AM
Is that c 79 / 80 up to 2 012 when BIL was owned by Messrs heather and bunch down the mid hants

Yep, that's it.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: martyn on April 08, 2020, 09:08:35 AM
Nice job so far, Craig.

Don't forget the TIA tank on the tender top; it can't be be seen from your photos. I also added cylinder drain pipes as well as the front steps, but the pipes had to come off as they fouled on even 15" radius curves.

Just one slight thing for you to consider; according to 'Bulleid Power; the Merchant Navy Pacifics' by Fry, some of the pipework was different on BIL compared to the other rebuilds. The lubricators were also ina different place. But who's going to notice?

I also deepened the firebox sides and added some of the injector pipework to my 35009.

martyn
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 08, 2020, 09:23:04 AM
Thanks Martyn, the tender is about to go through the modifications shop, just simple bits and pieces but hopefully to make a better appearance.

Luckily for us the locos only run in straight lines, the pipework gets us over the points and upto the turntable so this has allowed me to get away with adding everything out of the packs, even cab doors can be put on the tender!!,

Indeed BIL does have different pipework, so IF it gets changed people will know shes staying as '018 however if they dont then people in the know will clock that she is to be renumbered  :uneasy:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on April 08, 2020, 09:39:02 AM
Built 1945 Eastleigh. 1956 became the first MN to be rebuilt   8 years after having the honour of being 1 of 4 MN Class locos chosen to take part in the 1948 Locomotive Exchange trials hauling the ACE Waterloo exeter.  Certain features that made her different from later re builds: 1 ) mechanical lubricators were positioned further forward,    2 ) the filler pipes to the front sand boxes were longer and angled away from the lubricators,  3 ) the ejector pipe had a curve positioned just in front of the nameplate, 4 ) waterpipes on the fireman' s side had 2 doglegs. @exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099) are you close coupling the tender ? Hope helps
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 08, 2020, 09:45:24 AM
Cheers Chris, yeah tender drawerbar has been shortened by a few mil just to get her a bit better looking.

If I get time today tender will hopefully gave modifications done and be in primer!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on April 08, 2020, 09:50:03 AM
If google 35018 loco difference pipework craig  go to nineelms.forumotion.com photos and mine of info there
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Dr Al on April 08, 2020, 12:58:18 PM
Once she was back to bare metal I temporarily added a headboard and headcode discs and she drew alongside 35022, this was how I thought super detailing 3 years ago would look, a horrible plastic coupling hook and a wrongly positioned vacuum pipe.

Not sure the first one looks that bad to me. I always use the spare plastic coupling hooks that come as extras with new tool Farish locos.

I'm pleased with how 35018 is coming along, lots of fettling to do and I think this is where all the good builders, who I'm pleased and honoured that most do comment on my work, these are who I would love to be able to get somewhere near half as good as, all these magnificent builders spot the problems and know how to overcome them and produce the perfect pieces they do. This is where I am right now, and it will take a while I'm sure but i endeavour to get it to the very best of my ability.

One problem is that dad has seen the comparison picture and first comment was "when are you looking at doing the same to 35022??"  :( :doh:

Fit a new front bogie to the other one as an interim - this is by far the biggest visual difference that can be made to these models.

If possible, try to recess the boxpok overlay, as this really improves the look of the front bogie also, but can be a fiddle to not damage it in the process of filing down to fit. Makes a difference though:

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49138001826_d109fd7b6c_k.jpg)

(rough) example that shows prior to paint - this loco is currently undergoing restoration.

One I did a long time ago ("preserved" fleet):

(https://live.staticflickr.com/897/41060400692_e5a8227a29_b.jpg)

And a detail and weather job. This shows as far as I tend to go on these - retaining original finish, but focussing on front end detail.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4879/45415568935_f72c92deec_k.jpg)

Of course, for those who aren't focussed on the SR region, one can do other interesting things with Bulleids, e.g. loco exchanges 1948 version with LMS tender....

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4834/45761813812_fde004b430_k.jpg)

 :) :)

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 08, 2020, 01:06:49 PM
Your version of Clan Line with that very subtle weathering has always been admired by me Alan, there is most definitely no way I am adding handrails to another one!!!!

The recessed box box looks absolutely fantastic  :claphappy:

Would never of even thought to do that!!

I think we will get it right, the work horses our Zs will always be the Flagships of the fleet. The Pacifics that just race up and down can be mediocre  :D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on April 08, 2020, 01:21:02 PM
Good luck craig. Cannot wait to see her run with suitable stock
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on April 08, 2020, 01:27:35 PM
And a detail and weather job. This shows as far as I tend to go on these - retaining original finish, but focussing on front end detail.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4879/45415568935_f72c92deec_k.jpg)


Your version of Clan Line with that very subtle weathering has always been admired by me Alan, there is most definitely no way I am adding handrails to another one!!!!

It certainly does look good - just a shame about the nameplate being in the wrong place  :D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Dr Al on April 08, 2020, 04:07:06 PM
It certainly does look good - just a shame about the nameplate being in the wrong place  :D

Not sure I get this comment - the positioning of the nameplates on the Farish MN seems reasonably accurate to me (+/- a small amount) - just ahead of the middle boiler band....

(https://live.staticflickr.com/1577/24598926851_a91d726ccb_k.jpg) (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49749322963_6b9c3fe712_h.jpg)

Looks pretty close to me - maybe a fraction rearward, but by a tiny amount, and pretty accurate relative to the sand filler pipes.

[Excuse the rough model - this is the one that's being refurbished, but won't be 35028 in the end!]

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on April 08, 2020, 04:25:21 PM
It certainly does look good - just a shame about the nameplate being in the wrong place  :D

Not sure I get this comment - the positioning of the nameplates on the Farish MN seems reasonably accurate to me (+/- a small amount) - just ahead of the middle boiler band....


On the one you posted a pic of earlier, I agree. The fore-aft and vertical positioning is fine - but that particular nameplate's on the wrong side of the loco  ;)

Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Dr Al on April 08, 2020, 04:31:37 PM
On the one you posted a pic of earlier, I agree. The fore-aft and vertical positioning is fine - but that particular nameplate's on the wrong side of the loco  ;)

Two identical etches were supplied IIRC in the elderly set of plates I had, so I think this is a limit of pragmatism with the nameplate manufacturer.

I suspect latest supplies from Fox, for example, won't have this limitation. I'll find out on my restoration which is slated to become 35007.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on April 08, 2020, 04:49:05 PM
On the one you posted a pic of earlier, I agree. The fore-aft and vertical positioning is fine - but that particular nameplate's on the wrong side of the loco  ;)

Two identical etches were supplied IIRC in the elderly set of plates I had, so I think this is a limit of pragmatism with the nameplate manufacturer.

That's fair enough, I did suspect that might have been the case.

Quote
I suspect latest supplies from Fox, for example, won't have this limitation.

Hopefully not - it's something that, once spotted, sticks out like a sore thumb.

When I was a volunteer at the Watercress Line, one of the senior loco department bods must have had a decent bonus from his employer because he turned up one weekend with one of the original plates from British India Line. A while later, he had occasion to be invited to a function in P&O's offices, where he noticed that on the railing of the mezzanine floor they had nameplates from all three MNs named after companies that merged at various times to become the then P&O - namely British India Line, Peninsular and Oriental S. N. Co. and Orient Line. He was a tad perturbed to see that the BIL plate was the same hand as his and managed to find an excuse to get up onto the mezzanine floor so he could lean over for a closer look.

He realised that P&O had removed the enamel centre plate, rotated it through 180 degrees, refitted it,  painted out the original masthead and painted in a new one on what had been the bottom of the mast.

It turned out that they'd bought the wrong plate and it didn't match the British India Line company flag logo, so they modified it such that it did  :D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on April 08, 2020, 05:32:48 PM
That's a story to remember chris
 
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 09, 2020, 01:05:39 PM
So way back in December I started applying CCT waterslide decals to the Pal-brick wagons.

Today i finally got round to finishing them.

Still varnish to go and a light dusting of weathering, these wouldnt of been that old during our time frame and theirs was just as short but they need something.

And a load of some description as they are very light!!!


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-090420130349.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90630)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-090420130415.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90631)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: emjaybee on April 09, 2020, 01:42:18 PM
I was only just thinking about them the other day.

They're looking good.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 09, 2020, 03:28:42 PM
The Pal-brick A wagon wasnt that well known and their life was fairly short lived, about 60% of the 1100 or so built were converted to Freightliner coupling adapters to allow those wagons to be shunted.

Pictures of them in original form are quite rare too, when I first found out about Pal-bricks I found this picture, no idea where it is and as my steam education only involved everything SR or Bulleid related (hence knowing a few LNER steamers) I dont even know what the loco is. I'm guessing 8F but not sure

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-090420152420.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90643)

So as mine are from way down south, naturally their being hauled by my recently finished detailed WC 34002 Salisbury, shes had NBL front bogie, bufferbeam detail, etched name plates, brass windows and glazing along with a light dusting.

Pal-bricks have now had a weathered dusting, nothing too extreme but look lightly weathered, a but more then they do in my replica photo

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-090420152734.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90644)

So finally I can get rid of 6 wagons on the bench, ready for the next 11 that need finishing  :worried:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on April 09, 2020, 03:40:45 PM
I dont even know what the loco is. I'm guessing 8F but not sure

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-090420152420.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90643)

Isn't it a 9F?
It looks like a 2-10-0, although the trailing driver is obscured I'm sure I can see a coupling rod extending behind the fourth driving wheel.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 09, 2020, 03:45:07 PM
@chrism (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7182) I originally thought 9F, as I have Evening Star I was going to put that there, I think the loco number is 9XXXX but cant be sure  :hmmm: its definitely not a SR engine  :D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on April 09, 2020, 04:03:28 PM
@chrism (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7182) I originally thought 9F, as I have Evening Star I was going to put that there, I think the loco number is 9XXXX but cant be sure  :hmmm: its definitely not a SR engine  :D

I've had a closer look and, although I can't even make out the 9 in the number, it's definitely a ten-coupled with a front pony truck. The last driving wheel is obscured by steam from the injector but the 4th one definitely has a coupling rod extending behind it. The running plate's way too high for a WD 2-10-0, ergo it's definitely a 9F since there were no other UK 2-10-0's built.
Your initial thought was correct.
 ;)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: martyn on April 10, 2020, 08:51:28 AM
The smoke deflectors are the tell tale its a 9F... :D

Martyn
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Train Waiting on April 10, 2020, 09:40:24 AM
I agree with Martyn.  Definitely a BR Standard '9F'.  Looks like a BR1C tender which was the LMR's preferred type as I recall.  I have been squinting at the photograph attempting to decide if it's a single or double chimney example.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 10, 2020, 07:21:59 PM
Back to the workbench, I've had my allotted 1hr of playing running trains. The workload is still as massive so I have to start somewhere.

About 4 years ago i managed to get to chat to a bloke who knows alot of where were building and he willingly sold my copies of a load if photos he took in 1996 just prior to another wave of bulldozers rolling through the site!!!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-100420191428.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90703)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-100420191505.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90704)

This is the original SR built water tower. They built a few on this scale, others were at Amesbury and Exmouth junction (any ideas @Bob G (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1517)  :D) my footprint is exact as we know what size that was but obviously my arches are slightly out as the original had 6 and I've only managed to get 5  :-[ primer has highlighted a few bits especially that front corner that looks like its be chewed off at the angle  :(

I did create the illusion of the corbelled brickwork, still the windows to be cut into the side arches and then brick paper it all up. The roof we are unsure of. I think most were curved corrugated iron so that's what this will be receiving with timber panels on the ends.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-100420192052.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90705)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on April 10, 2020, 07:25:55 PM
 :greatpicturessign: that's a pretty decent representation craig.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 12, 2020, 01:01:34 PM
Well a water tower isnt any good without water columns. Luckily for me  :-\ we have copies of the official drawings of the type of column we require.

Standard height of 17' 4" as were not on a platform with an overall projection of 11' 2". By some form of miracle it measures up to be pretty close!!!!

The bracing at the top has been made out of handrail wire and a handrail knob to provide the angled metal work at the back.

NBL brass wheel at the top of the standard.

In matt black at the moment but will be toned down to weathered black. In 1963 these were pretty well worn.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-120420130017.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90814)

Only 18 to go  :doh:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Hailstone on April 12, 2020, 10:55:11 PM
Not meant as a criticism, but isn't that wheel a little high?

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 12, 2020, 11:03:11 PM
The wheel should sit on a lip as it takes the weight of the arm to allow full rotation. I should probably move mine higher!!,

To open and close the gland theres a spinning handle at ground level


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-120420230241.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90896)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on April 13, 2020, 06:36:10 AM
The wheel should sit on a lip as it takes the weight of the arm to allow full rotation. I should probably move mine higher!!,

To open and close the gland theres a spinning handle at ground level


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-120420230241.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90896)

More importantly, if you look closely the lip on which the wheel runs is sloped so that the arm tends to self-centre by gravity, to avoid it being left to foul anything using the track.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: emjaybee on April 13, 2020, 09:45:33 AM
Not meant as a criticism, but isn't that wheel a little high?

Regards,

Alex

I originally thought that, thought they must have some really tall bloke to operate it. Never crossed my mind it was for returning the arm.

 :dunce:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 13, 2020, 07:55:42 PM
So the buildings I've been working on today are nearly finished but too distinctive to our location to be shown just yet!!!, unlike at lots of SR locations the size of this item is the only one they built, it is very well known to many and very well photographed even today.

Instead I went back to my 700 black motor, I plan to give Colin a ring this week as the new versions are available and we always planned to have 2.

This one was one that I won very reasonably on ebay and attempted to detail her a bit more then box finish.

PLEASE BE AWARE this is no threat to Dr Al or The Brighton with their phenomenal works  :'(

Starting at the front I have

Added guard irons
Bufferbeam detail including coupling hook and vacuum pipe
Lamp irons
Sandbox filler caps
Attempted to add wire handrails, I have not been able to get the curve over the Smokebox door or the kink behind the Smokebox to a slightly satisfactory orientation so these will still have to be worked on
Inside the cab I have added seats and a reversing lever
Glazed windows
I removed the moulded handrails to the cab and added these including the run upto the cab roof. These were made from handrail wire with a handrail knob drilled into the cabside. Someone must of done that for me to see as it is a fantastic way to create those and these went quite well, their both straight and I didnt drill out the side of the cab!!!

The tender has had

A brake standard fitted
LSWR brass tender filler cap
Real coal will be added

The wheels will be chemically toned down with some Carrs blackener, I'll give that a whirl at some point

Unfortunately while I was working on the tender I managed to knock a pot of glue over the loco  :censored: yep the bench was a mess  :censored: so that has coated the boiler with glue, I tried to soak alot of it up but to not much avail. I started rubbing it down with wet n dry which is working so once I remove the handrails I'll sort all that out. She will probably end up being repainted now  :censored:


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-130420195121.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90943)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/5099-130420195153.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=90945)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 16, 2020, 06:00:40 PM
Not too long ago I had to renew my NGS membership and while doing it online I thought I'd see if there was a couple of kits that I wanted to be building.

Through the hundreds of photos weve been able to get you remember what's in them, you just dont remember which load it's in, we have now started cataloging them in location marked folders to try to help out a bit.

I remember seeing a Trestrol of some description in a photo so seeing as though they were in stock I bought Kit 15 LMS/BR Bogie Trolley.

This kit like many NGS kits went together quite well, naturally the sides were a bit warped due to length and thickness but it seems to of come quite square!!

I'll admit to of not researched much into this type of wagon but looked through Paul Bartletts site, most of these are a bit different to this kit, presumably later variants built at Derby mostly and these LMS types are quite a scarcely photographed beast.

I'm quite disappointed with the bufferbeam to body side fit, but presumably this is correct but just seems like they should be flat together rather then a [ beam end showing, but like I say I dont know this type of wagon.

Most online model builds are in that other scale but some phenomenally highly detailed versions on there, I think I'll have to try to find some info in these types to see if a bit more detail can be added.

All in all a very nice kit, as with most things no. 2, 3, & 4 would be better but that's down to me not the kits. I need to buy another set of trestles for it as I attempted  :no: to solder these together!!!  :-[

Then I can load the chassis with weight and hopefully get her running quite well. Maybe a pair is on the cards  :hmmm:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-160420175226.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91073)

]

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-160420180018.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91075)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Dr Al on April 16, 2020, 07:31:11 PM
I built one a long time ago, and one thing I'd say is, be careful. Only 3 of these actual prototypes existed in real life, so actually seeing more than one at the same time I suspect would be rare or non-existent. I did seek out accurate numbering and lettering info at the time - these being Trestle-trolley (Trestrol) MB, and IIRC I numbered it correctly as M249992 (I think that was right). Other smaller well wagons would be more common I'm sure, but this prototype only 3 as I say.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/4807/45754251404_610a0d1b68_k.jpg)

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 16, 2020, 07:40:06 PM
 :thankyousign: for your knowledge of these @Dr Al (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263), a full BR type with the flat plate tops were obviously more popular.

The bufferbeam end detail is the same on yours, although of better appearance  :-[ so I could do with getting them better.

Maybe just this one then, or a better built version of this one  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Dr Al on April 16, 2020, 08:01:08 PM
Unfortunately while I was working on the tender I managed to knock a pot of glue over the loco  :censored: yep the bench was a mess  :censored: so that has coated the boiler with glue, I tried to soak alot of it up but to not much avail. I started rubbing it down with wet n dry which is working so once I remove the handrails I'll sort all that out. She will probably end up being repainted now  :censored:

Perhaps too late now, but I've found that you can get cyano (I assume that's what it was) off when still curing with white spirit. Obviously care needed as to what finish is below.

Otherwise Acetone will soften it, but almost certainly paint strip the rest of the model at the same time.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 16, 2020, 08:43:50 PM
Good to know Alan, worth remembering.

Better house keeping is the answer but wet n dry didnt really work so shes gone for a bath in some stripper
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 18, 2020, 06:19:41 PM
A few buildings currently on the bench but nothing worth showing at the moment.

One thing I have done is populate some of the Blue Circle cement trucks, this was something I did for Clifton Wood so stripping apart these I was able to shimmy a seated loco driver in behind the wheel.

On the last one i got a bit creative and drilled out the window to have the drivers arm out, I cant believe this is a modern day phenomenon with truckers so it's only right we show it as true to life as I can

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-180420181717.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91206)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-180420181739.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91207)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-180420181805.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91208)

Still some loads to be added, and a bit of a dirty up but at least they have drivers!! 
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 18, 2020, 06:51:23 PM
Another box of bits that's been at the back of the bench for far too long, three Parkside Dundas SR sleeper wagons.

I started these probably 2018, I'm not a fan of the kits, the instructions get you to make the wagon in away that doesnt allow it to build and quite honestly I thought they were horrendous and gave up. 1 was built, 1 was in bits after being taken apart and 1 was still on the sprue.

This must be the same plastic peco use for fences because you literally have to pour Plastic Weld into the joints to get them to stick so after numerous "deep breath and count to 10 moments" all three were able to go to spray booth.

They all roll true but couplers are virtually non moving, I didnt modify the end panels above the coupling box so these will stay in a fixed rake with something either end to couple up with.


I need to refer to the library now over colour scheme and running numbers, unless people can help me out here??? Theres a bit of confusion if they were 'Sleeper Wagons' or 'Tunneys'.

At least their a few steps closer to the layout and another 3 heading off the bench sometime soon

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-180420185012.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91212)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 19, 2020, 12:04:40 PM
Quite frequently a good mate has a bit of a clear out and sends me a box of surprises and I pick what I want and we table offers until we feel were both getting a good deal. I am always fair with my first offer and this time he actually chipped me down, must of had too many before we entered negotiations  :smiley-laughing:

In the selection box this time were 2 PD Marsh Reach Stackers, complete with log grabs. Like many things I'd not really bothered looking at these before, I've never had a layout that needs such a beast. But the intention is to get at least 1 of the 2 in at Clifton Wood.

So I thought I might as well give one a whirl, exactly as it comes out the box, I have soldered this together so I can tag it apart again and tidy up some rough edges. Typically the instructions arent that great and I sat there for 20mins with the bench covered in 150 bits of white metal.

One brilliant thing with these is the boom isnt fixed by anything other then 0.8mm rod so it's all moveable to pose into many positions.

I'm quite pleased with how it's all gone together, as with many white metal kits theres many edges not square that need dealing with but overall it looks like a reachstacker.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-190420120151.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91251)

I have detail packs to add so I'll probably build the second one with all of that in there and then adapt this one to match 

If anyone else has built one and has any  hints or tips I'll greatly appreciate them 
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 19, 2020, 06:38:35 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-190420182948.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91332)

Well that's all the box detail added, I have acquired some detailed images relating to an actual machine, as the information that comes with these says "it is a representation of a reachstacker and not based on one particular model" which suits me so I will now attempt to make mine look like a "representation of an LSG 90"

These are very well thought out kits and relatively easy to put together, hell I've managed 2 in a few hours  :-[ a bit a flatting to be done now one is in primer but hopefully will all come quite good, anything I fail to loose I'll try to make them out to be battle scars from their hard working life.

As Clifton Wood is quite small only 1 will be active, the second one as here will be depicted with a few fitters messing about with it in a corner of the yard, but anyone running a container terminal of some description I think you would struggle to get a better kit model then one of these!!,
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on April 19, 2020, 09:16:38 PM
better get a move on, can't afford to have kit like this sitting around idle  :)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 21, 2020, 10:36:05 PM
Yesterday I had an email conversation with a uk rep for Liebheer reachstackers, it was a hugely informative chat and their reachstacker based log handler is the LRS 595, it has a lifting capacity of 30 tonnes and a grapple capacity of 8.2m².

IT IS MASSIVE

The front wheels are protected by a hydraulically operated blade, this has the ability to push 9tonnes of load away to bank up piles of logs and stops any debris from falling under the wheels.

The cab is on an air ride suspension and hydraulic base, this provides the operator with some of the best conditions to work in in the market, the hydraulic side of the base allows the operator to slide the cab forward to give better visibility, instead of sitting behind the boom rams you can sit in front of them!! All clever stuff. It is also protected by a steel mesh screen, 1 screen is fixed across the boom rams and another wrapped around the cab, these screens can take a direct hit of 7 tonnes!!!

All hydraulic hoses and connections are inside the rams, these have removable panels for access but means down time due to damage is minimal.

Now my reachstackers arent Liebheer and there is no way they can be but it gave me a hell of a lot of information to try and detail mine fo be what is the current standard on the market.

This is a LRS 595

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-210420223101.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91511)

I have added mesh screens to the cab and to the boom rams, along with the front blade

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-210420223215.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91512)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-210420223248.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91513)

And even got a coat of paint on it, lots still to do but hopefully looking a bit more like a real machine

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-210420223401.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91514)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 23, 2020, 07:44:52 PM
I have now finished painting my imitation Liebheer log handler, I will weather the log grab and tyres a but I think that's as far as I'll go, these are seriously expensive machines (the real ones) so I doubt many of them are abused too much.

I have added a driver complete with arm waving gesture and painted the lights onto the units, I would of liked to fit cages over these but been unable to find some stupidly small mesh panels.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-230420194323.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91597)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-230420194342.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91598)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-230420194401.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91599)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-230420195018.jpeg) (http://hs://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91600)

Open to criticism and or glaring faults or any recommendations for missing detail or ideas to make it better
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: dannyboy on April 23, 2020, 07:56:38 PM
An excellent job.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on April 23, 2020, 08:10:35 PM
as the saying goes, ......

DOG'S DANGLIES  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

so now, how about the second one  ???

well, we can't let you get big headed, can we  :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: RailGooner on April 23, 2020, 08:35:32 PM
..
Open to criticism
...

No. :smiley-laughing: I don't think you are Craig. With such superb modelling you're very, very safe from any criticism. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 :wonderfulmodelling:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: crewearpley40 on April 23, 2020, 08:38:48 PM
Craig. I would love to say I would use open to comments, certainly an interesting model and layout feature that attracts positive comments and a cameo scene
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Roy L S on April 23, 2020, 08:47:24 PM
Excellent work Craig, it really does look great, I can't see anything that looks wrong to me, it's a fine model of an awesome looking piece of kit.

Roy
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on April 23, 2020, 09:36:49 PM
hang on .....

wouldn't 'elf-n-safety demand a beacon ...with 360 visibility.. :hmmm:

I can see Clifton being fined  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 23, 2020, 09:52:40 PM
hang on .....

wouldn't 'elf-n-safety demand a beacon ...with 360 visibility.. :hmmm:

I can see Clifton being fined  :smiley-laughing:

And a green flashing beacon!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on April 23, 2020, 10:40:21 PM
thought they were for doctors  :-[
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 23, 2020, 11:00:38 PM
All plant machinery will display a green flashing beacon when the seatbelt is worn, not just plugged in.

I'm looking at beacons for these  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on April 24, 2020, 10:13:51 AM
ahh, that explains why I see so many on work sites with green and amber beacons.

we live and learn  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 24, 2020, 06:48:20 PM
Thank you for all the comments of praise, I dont think I'm good enough to warrant some of the replies, there are some fantastic modellers on here of which I can dream to aspire to. 

The high praise is greatly appreciated  :thankyousign:

I now have to try and replicate that on the second one  :-[
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 28, 2020, 11:31:02 AM
Following the decision to rebuild Clifton Wood a new part of the business will be roll on-off container skips for Wood waste recycling. This came about after some 3d printed bin tainers were acquired in a recent box of goodies.

So the task was to get at least 1 truck capable of delivering these skips to Clifton. So last night the razor saw went through another OD Volvo  :o

Another twin axle rigid chassis was created along with another drawerbar trailer. Both bins have been painted and trials of decals will be carried out.

The prime mover has had a quick cover frame work installed and one will also get built for the trailer. The hook loader mechanism is underneath the skip but not working!!!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-280420112751.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91882)

The fleet of AWJ special vehicles is growing!! I now need to buy some more as I currently have 4 walking floor trailers with no power units!!!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/91/5099-280420112935.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=91883)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: dannyboy on April 28, 2020, 12:01:56 PM
You're good with that razor saw!  :goggleeyes: Quite impressive Craig.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 30, 2020, 09:33:32 PM
Back to the monster layout, we have photos of a shunters wagon being used in the goods sidings, all previous written articles we have note how unfavoured they were on the SR yet a series of photos from 61-63 show something different!!

Not the first time we have found this!!

A few weeks ago I enquired about the Osbourns GWR shunters truck and a few of you were very kind to upload pictures and all words of praise, a big  :thankyousign: must go to @thebrighton (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=943) as Gareth added a link to shapeways after I confidently suggested I wouldnt be able to build the 2FS version.

Well my shapeways print arrived and I hacked up a peco chassis to make roll, the chassis still needs a good bit of fettling, hence the white primer to highlight it all.

The handrails I have added are standard N Brass knobs and rails.

I cut the peco buffers off and added Parkside headstock with brass buffers, a bit a fettling and a coat of grey I think with some weathering.

Hopefully it will turn out to be a nice little addition to the yard!! ???

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/92/5099-300420213147.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=92150)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/92/5099-300420213212.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=92151)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: thebrighton on April 30, 2020, 09:40:49 PM
Looking good, I'm glad Alan's print turned out ok.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on April 30, 2020, 09:48:49 PM
You're good with that razor saw!  :goggleeyes: Quite impressive Craig.  :thumbsup:

just don't park a Volvo anywhere near Melton Mowbray  ;D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 30, 2020, 10:16:27 PM
Nope, be turned into scrap in a blink of an eye!!!

Probably why Samworth brothers have just had a fleet of mirror less Mercedes delivered  ;)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on April 30, 2020, 10:40:57 PM
thought mirrors were a legal requirement ...

so have they got cameras fitted instead ?

oh, screens can't be fitted where driver can see them when driving  :hmmm:

looks like another bodge to the laws. :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on April 30, 2020, 11:03:41 PM
Your shocked the first time you see them but WOW the fact that the whole screen side now has 4 different views down each side of your truck is FANTASTIC and to view mirrors your turn your head 200mm off centre to look in the offside and probably 400mm for nearside  :no: not any more roll eyeballs 10mm and you have complete vision    :claphappy:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 02, 2020, 03:10:23 PM
Well I've finished (I think) I might add some numbers or something to it, my shunters truck.

It is currently being propelled into a 12hr shunting shift by Fred Cole at the controls of 30954., Henry Turner is reaching out for his shunters pole ready to couple up the first few Van's

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/92/5099-020520150922.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=92314)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/92/5099-020520150951.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=92315)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: emjaybee on May 02, 2020, 04:37:13 PM
The shunters truck looks great.

It's a shame the driver and shunter are a bit blasé about their duties or one of them may have noticed their (fine looking) loco was derailed!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on May 02, 2020, 04:46:53 PM
oooooh Betty  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 03, 2020, 10:51:19 AM
@Paddy (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=356)

Well my Blackmotor has spent 5days in a bath of IPA to see if I could erase the damage I caused covering the boiler in a bottle of Rocket Hot glue  :doh:

LUCKILY I think I have got away with it. Well in a sense I have still a mountain to climb and now have a complete loco to repaint. Luckily no lining or anything to intricate so I hope I'll be able to get that right!!!

Still a couple of areas I need to address, the Smokebox around the handrail knobs still need flatting and a couple of bits around the steps.

Remarkably I was able to take everything paint wise off without damaging any of the glued on parts I added and ALL of them are still on there!!

I was never going to give up on it but I'm glad that it is at least on the right road to recovery

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/92/5099-030520104851.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=92409)

So I now appeal to the great loco builders on here as to guidance as to where I go now to not cause even more work for myself
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on May 03, 2020, 11:15:59 AM
Well my Blackmotor has spent 5days in a bath of IPA to see if I could erase the damage I caused covering the boiler in a bottle of Rocket Hot glue  :doh:

LUCKILY I think I have got away with it. Well in a sense I have still a mountain to climb and now have a complete loco to repaint. Luckily no lining or anything to intricate so I hope I'll be able to get that right!!!

Still a couple of areas I need to address, the Smokebox around the handrail knobs still need flatting and a couple of bits around the steps.

That has cleaned up rather well - I had to open the photo full size before the damage became really apparent. Sighs of relief all round I reckon.

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So I now appeal to the great loco builders on here as to guidance as to where I go now to not cause even more work for myself

I'm no "great loco builder" but I can strongly recommend tidying the workbench, especially of anything spillable - this being something of which I am also somewhat lax at times.  ;)


Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 03, 2020, 06:34:01 PM
All of my log wagons have now been red oxide painted BUT these are extremely hard working wagons basically running from
Cargo in Carlisle to Chirk in Wales

Or

Newton Abbot to Chirk

Or left in sidings waiting to be loaded!!

I have a rake that will be loaded and a rake that will be empty but both need to be seriously well weathered but to a realistic level, which is where serious amounts of composure is needed. It's very easy to lash a great covering of frame dirt over everything and say its weathered. I am certainly no expert and have huge admiration for those out there that are brilliant at this subject.

@chrism (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7182) suggested I had 'ability' to achieve this  :-[ I'm not so sure. But undeterred I had to have a go.........

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/92/5099-030520183029.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=92450)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/92/5099-030520183103.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=92451)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/92/5099-030520183310.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=92452)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 04, 2020, 06:30:18 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/92/5099-040520182213.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=92507)

3 more have gone through various stages of weathering today. Sitting back from the bench they kind of look like I wanted them too but this is the dark art of weathering.

This is them sat on the old in road at Clifton

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/92/5099-040520182917.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=92508)

Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 07, 2020, 07:19:10 PM
It's been a while since I got a building anywhere near primer but had a good couple of hours this afternoon and escaped the heat of the sun to do a bit of work.

This is the biomass hopper loading shed. I have added a small machinery type flue and two HVAC ventilators, my knowledge of biomass storage is NIL but I've based these on a grain drying shed idea. Caged access ladder will have a walkway and handrails for service engineers.

Still bits and pieces to add but baseboards built and ply covered. Just need to finalise the track layout to get the cork down!!


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/92/5099-070520191800.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=92844)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/92/5099-070520191829.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=92845)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 08, 2020, 12:11:15 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/92/5099-080520120249.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=92877)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/92/5099-080520120321.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=92878)

Quick mist of green over the shed. This is the same colour green paint that our own steel sheds are painted with, the biggest of ours is our indoor arena with a building 95m x 50m (perfect for the ultimate N gauge layout!!!) This building was erected in 1996 and we have re-clad and built new buildings in 2015 with the same corrugated  sheeting. As exposed as we are there is no damage to the paint surface, theres a couple of rusty edges on some roof panel overlap but other then that it looks as good as the day it was installed so I wont weather these down too much!!

Roof access platform is to be added with a few little bits i hope to portray that quite well. I've been on a few so should be able to get it right!!

The chimney complete with its vortex twists will be weathered, a bit of soot and grime will be added to tone it down and tidy it up a bit.

The HVAC ducting will get a few dirty streaks but galvanised steel doesnt do much other then dull down so will try to replicate that as best as I can.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 08, 2020, 02:12:57 PM
As the rest of the log wagons are now ready to enter the weathering process I felt that the Colas livery was too bright for a log run.

I've never weathered a diesel loco of this size let alone a brand new one!!! Pictures of Colas 66 on log runs arent that easy to come across. Taunton Trains have a good collection of RHTTof various brands and they had 2 very good shots of a pair of Colas 66s.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/92/5099-080520140647.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=92888)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/92/5099-080520140710.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=92889)

My limited modern image knowledge is that RHTT are probably THE DIRTIEST trains on the network. I didnt want to go this extreme with it, steam definitely but not this.

I've had a go with varying weathering powders first before a bit of airbrush and some dry brushing.

Here's hoping I havent ruined her!!!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/92/5099-080520141027.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=92890)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 10, 2020, 02:36:20 PM
Not quite Shildon but my own set up of 2 great locomotives

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/93/5099-100520143511.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=93039)

Obviously the cleaners didnt have time to get 66779 press release ready!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 10, 2020, 05:51:18 PM
My repairing of my Blackmotor continues. I spent alot of time trying to flat the blemishes left in the primer coat and then it was decision time.

To apply the decals I would of needed to apply a gloss coat, so I dont know if this is a way to go about it or the total wrong way, might be another week in the IPA!! I gloss black painted the loco  :o

She came out the spray booth looking as she does here and I was quite impressed. The problem areas have all but been sorted and it looks pretty flat with a uniform sheen.

A great loco builder on here mentioned the other day that gloss paint does not photograph well, this as you can see is no exception, maybe I have got it right!!

She has now been correctly renumbered and as this she remained at Exmouth junction until Jan 1 1964, although as a snowplough pair at the end we are still going to be using her as a freight loco running from Exmouth junction sidings to our location and back again.

The next bits are to red the Bufferbeam before I try matt varnish and see if I can dull her down ready for the layers and layers and layers of grime to be added.

We seem to be a step closer to saving her!!  :-[

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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: chrism on May 10, 2020, 06:29:27 PM
She came out the spray booth looking as she does here and I was quite impressed. The problem areas have all but been sorted and it looks pretty flat with a uniform sheen.

She's looking good, mate.

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A great loco builder on here mentioned the other day that gloss paint does not photograph well,

When the GWR was planning to photograph an ex-works loco, usually the first of the class, they painted it in matt grey with black and white lining because it photographed better, especially in black and white. Then they put it back into the paint shop for the proper paint job.

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We seem to be a step closer to saving her!!  :-[

You certainly do.  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 10, 2020, 06:32:46 PM
 @chrism (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7182)  :thankyousign:

Nothing better then the works photographs  :beers:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Dr Al on May 10, 2020, 06:46:32 PM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/93/5099-100520175003.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=93060)

Looking decent.

A couple of tips if I may:

- do consider painting the wheel rims black, the axle ends black and dulling the rods - this is the biggest vast visual difference that can be made quickly and simple to UM models - I do this immediately to any new buys, even if it's months or years until they get a full superdetail.

- when numbering, start with the central digit. This can then be got centrally in the right location - the risk of starting at the first (or last) digit is that the whole thing ends up non-central on the panel, cabside, or whatever - a little as you have here.

- worth checking your prototype pictures as to whether the loco had a large crest on the tender. Often this is wrong on UM models and the real locos had small ones. A natural limitation of cost for UM I guess.

HTH,
Alan
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 10, 2020, 06:52:54 PM
 :thankyousign: @Dr Al (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263)  She can be renumbered, I was so worried about getting them straight I think I've put the side of the 6 to the line instead of the centre  :veryangry:

I have Carrs Chemical black for the wheel set and coupling rods, I just have to be brave and remember how I'm meant to do that!

Have both crests in the box, and photos of this exact loco so I have no excuses!!!, the tender has only had the tank filler and brake standard fitted at the moment.  I have wondered about the gaps in between the coke rails but I think that is a big step too far for me right now  :-[
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 19, 2020, 06:03:56 PM
With Clifton Wood progressing quite well through the rebuild I'm just waiting on a few bits and pieces from a couple of suppliers and still have a day job so not able to commit days to the layout yet  :'(

One task that I was meant to do for the previous incarnation was a 20ft container converted to a generator. This never happened so today I thought I best crack on and complete this little project.

The doors should of been recessed but I felt if i was going to that extreme I'd be better off scratch building a version but I think it shows a representation of a container generator  :hmmm:

The doors are from Ratio trackside relay boxes and the imitation vents on the end are just 2 brass ladder sections overlaid. The exhaust is a piece of 0.4mm brass rod with a 1.2mm silencer attached. A quick slosh of agricultural green and then weathered down a bit.
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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: dannyboy on May 19, 2020, 06:06:52 PM
Another clever bit of modelling.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on May 19, 2020, 06:11:08 PM
agree, though you have had long enough to do it  >:D

I'm off again to see if Paypal has replied, 27 1/2 hrs and counting  :'(

keep up the great work, Craig.
by the way did you ever find the tractor ?
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 19, 2020, 06:12:59 PM
 :laughabovepost: in our farming life EVERYTHING can be repaired with baler twine, we just temporarily put stuff back together until the twine breaks and we repair the repair with more twine  ;D the workbench ethos works the same, just raid every box of spare bits and bodge something together  :D it might look like it's meant to or fool people into thinking it looks like it's meant to  :-[
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 19, 2020, 06:14:13 PM
@class37025 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=311) I've had a 5 week lambing season since!!!!

Still no tractor  :'(

Bet you've hit the spring water hard in those 27hrs  :beers:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on May 19, 2020, 07:11:22 PM
oh yes  :beers:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: greenlaneman on May 19, 2020, 07:52:45 PM
Exmouthcraig,
As somebody who used to be in the generating set manufacturing business - now retired - a generating set engine needs air to breathe (for combustion) and to cool via a radiator.  So your generating set container needs two sets of louvres, as far apart as possible to prevent air recirculation, one of the end doors would be suitable.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 19, 2020, 07:58:11 PM
@greenlaneman (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=796) the issues from only having pictures of 1 end!!!!

Easy enough to add another set on the end door, be easier then trying to repaint the locking mechanism!!!!
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 20, 2020, 06:08:16 PM
Work still flits between Clifton Wood and the monster layout, I've been having long conversations with dad relating to the buses that were on fleet during our timeframe, the information we have is so in depth I doubt theres much that we havent got.

One particular type of bus were affectionately known as 'fire engines' apparently, presumably because they were big and red, this got me researching the Fire service that would of been operational at the time, the appliances were Dennis F8s which unfortunately I dont think oxford produce, or it's not a very good representation as its considerably longer then the pictures of F8s I have, but it is an excellent model so no reason to not use it.

Although the Fire Station isnt on our modelled section it is on one of the roads that cross the railway so that's a perfectly good reason to have at least one!!

But if it's on the road, it needs a crew!!! Now their uniforms may need painting, I've not managed to find out exactly what colour 1959 fireman uniforms were so .....

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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 21, 2020, 11:14:54 PM
For many many years dad has had a mate just appear at the front door totally unannounced. As kids I seem to remember sunday afternoons were always popular with James, we would probably only see him twice in a year and then go 2 or 3 years before wed see him again. I've never asked quite how he was a mate or even what he does. Hes a nice bloke just a bit strange in his lack of communication and ability to appear at the door. I probably havent seen him for the best part of 15 years now but he is the link as to how dad managed to obtain all the information we have relating to the bus company operating in our timeframe in our location.

James magically appeared at the door to my mum and dads not much before Christmas,  dad was busy working on bits and pieces and had a good long chat, I dont think he has much concept of time because he will happily arrive at 2pm and have to be ushered out the door at midnight!!

They were having a good chat and it turns out they both knew a bloke who drove a bus who knew someone who knew someone who knew the boss, James was still bumping into this bloke every now and again and with him leaving with a hastily prepared Christmas present he told dad hed be in touch soon. That could mean anything between next week or 5years time.

Sure enough a few weeks ago, (they all roll into one but definitely before lockdown) james again knocked my dads door, with him was a laced up Manila folder. He explained to dad that he had bumped into this Mike bloke and told him about our layout, as dad knows of John who used to work for Mike the great loop of friendship was linked and mike gave james this folder and told him it would help us out.

We probably have close to 1000 pages of information relating to history dating from 1933 until early 90s when Stagecoach took over the company. We have EVERY single bus the company bought, every one they had on demonstration, every registration number, years of purchase, year of disposal, route maps, route numbers, all the changes and dates to routes even paint colour codes, I doubt there is anything that we dont have.

Anyway we have now found out that 9 Leyland Atlantean double deckers were purchased in Aug 1960 for delivery on Feb 1 1961.

Problem is we cant get a model of a 1961 Leyland Atlantean,  only the 1974 on models which had bigger windows, flying buttress over the bonnet to the underside of the top deck and big front screens.

So as a trial I purchased a Base Toys Leyland Atlantean 1974 model and set about making her 14 years older. The front had to be slab fronted rather then the panel detail. The windscreen needs to be shrunk in height, Headlights in different locations, split front screen. The lower deck needs 6 windows not 4, the upper deck needs 7 windows not 6 and the angled buttresses needed to be lost.

this is a 1961 Leyland Atlantean

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And this is the beginnings of mine, I dont know how successful it will be or even if I'll get anywhere near completing it.

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Has anyone else kit bashed a bus??? The glazing part is where I know I'll struggle, I dont want to Glue n Glaze it as it wont turn out that great but equally with acetate sheet it will still show the 1.2mm thickness of the body  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: Dorsetmike on May 22, 2020, 11:16:23 AM
How about a strip of thin perspex/acrylic  and file grooves for the frame members, or is there some clear material that can be cast/printed?
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: PLD on May 22, 2020, 11:28:24 AM
The 1970s Park Royal body is very different to the early 60s MCW body.
I'm sure that one on the Hong-Kong based manufacturers has produced an N-gauge (probably 1:150) MCW bodied Daimler Fleetline which may be a better starting point if you can find one...

I've also seen the old Matchbox Fleetlines use on N-gauge layouts. The main body casting is very nice for the time (benefits from better wheels and glazing) but they are approx 1:120 scale...
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: greenlaneman on May 22, 2020, 11:40:21 AM
exmouthcraig,
Have you thought of cutting individual windows out of thin clear material and gluing them in place with Glue 'n' Glaze? This dries clear and will hold the windows in place. No connection but I am a satisfied user.
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 25, 2020, 02:21:55 PM
Finally getting close to completing the fleet of special vehicle conversions for Clifton Wood, the drawer bar logging truck got loaded yesterday and all loads secured. Just the swivel head on the log grab to be fitted and the flagship of my fleet will be ready to adorn the layout.

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Only the cab and adjoining tank is factory produced, everything from there back has been scratchbuilt robbing bits of kit from various other sources, 3d printing and aload of plastruct, I am very happy with the look of this truck and pleased that I was brave enough to put a razor saw through a brand new Oxford diecast Volvo.

Yesterday a bit of bench time was spent building pallets to fill some skips, I already built myself another drawer bar hook loader and trailer complete with an imitation Broughton Kwik Cova sheet mechanism which will collect 20ft container skips, one vital truck missing from the fleet is a generic skip loader.

As is May bank holiday, we are currently cutting and baleing for silage, as all fields are GPS tracked you spent alot of time not needing to be 100% focused so the mind wanders and as I'm in our own fields I can use my phone while I'm operating the machinery so I set about getting some tech spec on skip loader wagon backs, West-Trans Equipment of Mulgrave NSW have an amazing website with plenty of information available. I selected the 12,000-16,000kg skip category as that's suited for 12yard skips and downloaded some drawings. These were scaled off in the early hours of this morning and this has just come out of the paint shop in the first coat of primer, still lots of little details and flatting to be done but.......

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It does all work, once the fulcrums were worked out on some scrap first just need to get the hooks on the skip and it can be chained up and lifted on and off. Ignore the chassis, naturally this is to be give some serious work but it gave me a good vehicle base to work from
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on May 25, 2020, 03:52:47 PM
I did wonder if you'd manage to use that chassis for a skip wagon.
how many going into the fleet  :smiley-laughing:

still got a couple more if you need them  >:D
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 25, 2020, 03:57:03 PM
I dont think I'm fussed about going to the effort of creating another back for any more at the moment, let alone all the work on the chassis still to be done   :-\
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on May 25, 2020, 04:09:13 PM
but, even still in primer, it does look the huskies danglies   :goggleeyes:

amazed at the amount of detail you manage to get into these wagons.

you just need to get the sweeper going on tidying up the 'pan'  :)
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on June 06, 2020, 06:43:17 PM
So with a truck maintenance shed on Clifton Wood I needed some form of diorama rather then just a trailer. As I have 2 Stobart biomass trucks and a Fleet Maintenance transit I had an idea.

I have absolutely no clue what a Volvo FH16 engine looks like but I do have a vague recollection of a Scania V8, now dont assume that this is a scale model of a Scania V8 as
1, I very much doubt Stobart run any V8s
2, there is obviously lots wrong and missing but it gives a slight impression of something that resembles an engine

Still needs paint, grease and grime along with a couple of other bits of pipework but...........  :hmmm:
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Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on June 06, 2020, 10:11:31 PM

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Other then a wash of oily grime I think that'll do, hopefully it looks a bit like the top of an engine which is the idea  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: class37025 on June 06, 2020, 10:14:18 PM
your fitters do keep their 5 wheels really clean :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: My rolling stock projects and the odd building
Post by: exmouthcraig on June 06, 2020, 10:19:57 PM
Best talk to William Stobart, he absolutely hates the slightest bit of grease left on a 5th wheel, too scared he'll get chipped on the trade in!!
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