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Title: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on September 25, 2019, 02:45:17 PM
Hello everyone. At last I have started to actually BUILD a layout. As I have started threads before hypothesising various schemes which came to nought I thought I'd wait until I had something tangible to show. My reason for these earlier ideas falling apart was that, over the years, I have collected stock from US, European as well as British outline. I felt that trying to build a layout which was dedicated to one type of stock would preclude other types and, although Rule 1 does indeed rule, I would want a layout which could equally incorporate them all.

So, what to do? Raise the mythical island of Atlantis? Building all those pseudo Greco-Romano temples didn't appeal at all but, a few months ago, I HAD AN IDEA! :D

Well here is the tale:

There is a bunch of friends. They are all successful in their respective careers such as Media, Music, Medicine, Pharmaceuticals, Civil and Mechanical Engineering and such like. They have 2 particular passions in common - all things Cornish and all things Railway. Due to them all being pretty well-off they have, between them, amassed a tidy collection of items of rolling stock which they keep in separate locations about the country. Some are interested in US Railroading, some have imported and restored German locos and, of course, there is a die-hard core of solidly UK, mostly, diesel-lovers.

One day, whilst having lunch at the place that sits out on the sand at Perranporth Beach (I guess I can't use it's real name The Watering Hole) one of these guys looks up from his Carbonara and says,

"Look guys. I've been thinking. Instead of us having all our engines and everything littered about the place, why don't we find somewhere down here where we can lay some track and pool our collection?"

"Good idea", said another, "but where? The only piece of decent-length abandoned track down here is the old branch that ran from Chacewater, through Perranporth and out to Newquay. I don't fancy having to fight with all those landowners to buy the track bed.  It'll take forever and cost a fortune!"

"Fair point," said the first. "How about we find an old disused quarry and build something there? If we can lay 200m radius curves we could build a circuit of track with sidings etc. and make a nice job of it - like a standard gauge version of a miniature railway. We could even have a volunteer society and open it to the public occasionally. It'll make nice tourist attraction."

They all agreed this was a wonderful idea.

And so the search for a suitable place began. 

Here is where they chose:


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/4141-250919142435.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81903)

This is Cornwall from above. That is Falmouth and Falmouth Bay at bottom right. The site is labelled "South Cornwall Railway Centre" as this was the initial idea of what to call the place. It has since been changed to "The Maen Quarry Railway" as, although, there is no reference I can find to the place having an actual name, the word "Maen" (pronounced like MAIN) is found nearby.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/4141-250919143130.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81905)

 A closer view. Don't take your eyes off the little blue loco!


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/4141-250919143333.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81906)

Now, the little blue loco is located in what was, indeed, a former quarry which is covered by the trees/scrub running down the left side of the 2 buildings on the right of the picture. If you look leftwards across the fields, you will see another area of trees. This, I have imagined, was the western boundary of the quarry. The distance across this area is, pretty much, 400m so is big enough for my fictitious 'prototype'. The lane that runs through this area is a public right-of-way so will be diverted. However, there is an actual stream running through the trees on the right-hand side and this will be kept on the model to supply a lake.

Happy?  :goggleeyes:

Anyway, our noble band of friends put in a bid to buy this land along with planning permission for their dastardly scheme and were successful!  :claphappy:

Let's get this party started!
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on September 25, 2019, 03:00:22 PM
 
I have just finished the first of 4 legs to support the framework which will, in turn, support the layout. The underside of this frame will be used to store things. Each leg will have castors so the layout can be rolled away from the wall for access/modelling. The front set of castors will have lockable wheels.




(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/4141-250919145838.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81910)

The dimensions of the main part of the layout will be 7 feet by 3 feet. It is, obviously, a compressed rendering of my 'fictitious prototype'.

I will post a track plan once I have drawn it.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on September 25, 2019, 04:24:03 PM
Text keeps being cut from my post above. I try to modify it but I keep losing words. Why is this? :(
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on September 25, 2019, 04:27:32 PM
Not sure I understand what you mean Chris.
It reads ok to me.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: class37025 on September 25, 2019, 04:30:41 PM
you haven't set the program to 'overtype' instead of 'insert' have you ?
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on September 25, 2019, 04:33:36 PM
Glad it's OK now. I had more text but each time I opened and read it it was getting cut-off mid-sentence. I have cut out the text that was having problems. Oh well, I shall see how subsequent posts go. Perhaps it was an aberration.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Innovationgame on September 25, 2019, 07:53:41 PM
First, this is a brilliant idea for a layout. 

Second, I had the same problem with text disappearing a couple of days ago when I copied and pasted from Word.  No matter what I did, the text just disappeared,.  In the end, I had to paste piecemeal to get it to work.  So this may be a bug in the forum.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on September 25, 2019, 08:04:49 PM
First, this is a brilliant idea for a layout. 

Second, I had the same problem with text disappearing a couple of days ago when I copied and pasted from Word.  No matter what I did, the text just disappeared,.  In the end, I had to paste piecemeal to get it to work.  So this may be a bug in the forum.

Thanks Laurence for both comments. Glad you like the plan. I didn't have the text problem with the first post but I did with the second. The only difference I can think of was the images in the first post were screenshots from Google Earth and the image in the second post was one that had been taken on my phone and uploaded to my laptop. Whether or not this makes any difference I do not know. However, I will see what happens in subsequent posts.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Newportnobby on September 25, 2019, 08:29:47 PM
Perhaps it was an aberration.

Not sure about Cornwall but isn't Aberration in Wales? :confused2:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on September 25, 2019, 08:33:52 PM
Perhaps it was an aberration.

Not sure about Cornwall but isn't Aberration in Wales? :confused2:

It could be an excellent fun name for a layout. Possibly one themed to the LNWR? :P
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on September 25, 2019, 08:37:03 PM

Perhaps it was an aberration. of a name


Not sure about Cornwall but isn't Aberration in Wales? no its in the english language


It could be an excellent fun name for a layout. Possibly one themed to the LNWR?  abermaen sounds more like a good name

Perhaps it was an aberration. of a name


Not sure about Cornwall but isn't Aberration in Wales? no its in the english language


It could be an excellent fun name for a layout. Possibly one themed to the LNWR?  abermaen sounds more like a good name
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: keithbythe sea on September 26, 2019, 07:13:47 AM
Great theme.  :beers:

Good luck with the build. Look forward to following progress.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: weave on September 26, 2019, 08:14:03 AM
Hi Chris,

Great idea and looking forward to your build and seeing all your different rolling stock.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on September 26, 2019, 09:10:24 AM
As it is Cornish Iíll be following this with interest.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on September 26, 2019, 09:33:23 AM
Thanks all for the interest and encouragement. I have completed 2 of my support legs and hope to get the remaining 2 done today. I expect to receive my castors through the post today or tomorrow. If all goes to plan I should be ready to start baseboards in the coming week or so.

Track planning, for me, is very much a case of laying the actual track (of which I have a decent amount from years of gathering) on my living room floor to try out and measure various configurations. None of these new-fangled software packages for me!

Once I get me some appropriate pens I will produce a track plan so you can all get the general idea.

Stand by, stand by...ÖÖÖÖÖÖ...
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on September 26, 2019, 09:36:39 AM

Track planning, for me, is very much a case of laying the actual track (of which I have a decent amount from years of gathering) on my living room floor to try out and measure various configurations. None of these new-fangled software packages for me
Stand by, stand by...ÖÖÖÖÖÖ...
A man after my own heart.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on September 26, 2019, 12:26:41 PM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/4141-260919120935.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81920)



Well Gentlemen, here is a rough plan of the Maen Quarry Railway. It is not to scale and not to be taken too literally as it is, obviously, free-hand!

The idea is that the main circuit (red) is under the control of Controller A (I have a Morley twin track controller), the Maen Station and yards along with Carnellis Station and yard (blue) are switchable between controller A & B and the branch (orange) is controller B only. This branch will ascend to a higher level than the main line so it above Carnellis station. The green track in between the main Maen Station platforms is controlled by a DPDT switch which enables the triangle to work electrically. Whether or not I decide to use microswitches to tie the DPDT's job into the bottom point of the triangle, thus making it an automatic function governed by the switch of the point rather than a separate switch-action, has yet to be decided.

I feel this plan gives a great deal of operational flexibility and triangle allows trains to start and terminate at Maen Station as well as turning locos of any length. 2 train operation can continue on the main (red) circuit without being interrupted by station/loco movements.

I have chosen to not include a loco-release crossover in the main terminus platforms as loco length can vary from 0-6-0 tank engines to mainline locos which could be 10 inches or more in length. The length of head shunt plus crossover will mean a lot of wasted platform space. Shunt release will be performed and I have several suitable locos for this role.

The branch platform line does have a (probably set track point) loco release as the branch will be the haunt of 4 wheel carriages and so train length will be much less than mainline carriages.

Other advantages of this plan are:

NO HIDDEN TRACK! I like this idea. Easier to maintain:

All points no more than 2 feet away. Also easier to maintain and due to their proximity to the front of the layout will be operated with a special tool using the in-built plastic tie-bar lugs rather than the hassle and expense of point motors.

I envisage colour light signals rather than semaphores as there really isn't a commercially available range of working N gauge semaphores and I prefer working signals  :angel:. I see the need for bracket and multi-headed signals and these would be too difficult to make.

As an aside, Carnellis station gets its name from a contraction of 2 words: Carn - which is a recurring word in Cornwall e.g. Carn Brea, and Nellis - which is the name of a Las Vegas USAF base. It is supposed that one of my fictional characters had an Uncle who served as a Fighter Pilot in the USAF and liked the name.

Any questions or comments, please feel free.

Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on September 26, 2019, 01:37:55 PM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/4141-260919133103.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81921)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/4141-260919133146.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81922)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/4141-260919133254.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81923)


As I sit here with my patio door open, enjoying the breeze and a decaf coffee, I thought it might be useful to show more clearly how my track plan relates to my fictional 'reality'.

The top image is, of course, the same image as from the first post. It shows the area orientated as it is in reality.

The second image is rotated so to appear as it would if the railway actually existed and is the view-point for the layout with the yellow pins showing the location of the main places.

The third image is a repeat of my track plan so you can relate it to the actual location where all this is supposedly built.

Hope this makes sense.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Innovationgame on September 26, 2019, 02:11:56 PM
It makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on September 26, 2019, 03:05:55 PM
Looks good to me and I agree, plenty of  operational potential.
And as for the name, itís not far off a real place, Carnmenellis being just up the road.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on September 26, 2019, 03:28:25 PM
Looks good to me and I agree, plenty of  operational potential.
And as for the name, itís not far off a real place, Carnmenellis being just up the road.

Thanks Martin and Laurence. Yes, Martin, Carmenellis is close by. I have to admit it was an inspiration for my station name. Oddly enough there are several references to 'Carnellis' on Google but they are limited to the names of shops or roads. I can't find any reference to a place by that name. This, really, is good news for me though!

I am having a day off from building today. I am currently on pain-killers (Tramadol for an annoying inguinal hernia) which are not far-removed from Morphine so I can get rather knackered rather quickly. I have been building the support legs for my layout over the last 2 days so I'll do the remaining 2 tomorrow and get the wood for the horizontals sorted on Saturday.

I am, however, glad to report that my castors have just arrived through the post from EvilBay and are perfect for the job.

All is good in Chrissy-land!
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: cornish yorkie on September 26, 2019, 10:40:02 PM
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign:
    Interesting idea Chris, looking forward to seeing this build
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on September 27, 2019, 01:59:43 PM


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/4141-270919135254.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82004)


My support legs are finished! :claphappy: Obviously upside down but I wanted to show the newly attached swivel castors. The ones farthest from the camera have lockable brakes. The green triangles are waterproof MDF that was fashioned to look like 6 inch square tiles. I had cut the squares out and then cut each square into a triangle with the intention of using them as corner braces for a bathroom DIY project. I since decided that they weren't practical and 'kept them for a rainy day'.

As luck would have it I had EXACTLY the right number to build these legs!

How good is that?

Anway, after a mug of decaf and a phone call to my Brother-in-Law to wish him Happy Birthday, I will venture out to my nearby B&Q and buy the next 8 6 foot lengths of 44mm x 44mm strip wood to build the horizontals.

More later.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: weave on September 27, 2019, 04:57:25 PM
Hi Chris,

Very neat and professional looking  :thumbsup:.

Keep up the momentum but be careful on those stairs. Not so much falling down them but damaging pictures or wallpaper. Sort of thing I'd do (done)  :doh:  :).

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on September 27, 2019, 05:27:02 PM
Hi Chris,

Very neat and professional looking  :thumbsup:.

Keep up the momentum but be careful on those stairs. Not so much falling down them but damaging pictures or wallpaper. Sort of thing I'd do (done)  :doh:  :).

Cheers weave  :beers:

Thanks weave. However, I have neither pictures or wallpaper. You are right, such things are at risk when carting timber etc. up and down.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Train Waiting on September 27, 2019, 10:25:12 PM

All points no more than 2 feet away. Also easier to maintain and due to their proximity to the front of the layout will be operated with a special tool using the in-built plastic tie-bar lugs rather than the hassle and expense of point motors.

An excellent and imaginative layout plan, Chris.

I agree about point operation and I produced the Poppingham Pole to operate the points, some of which can be 2'6" away, depending on how my layout is orientated.

Best wishes

John

PS A chum of mine was at Nellis for a while.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on September 28, 2019, 06:43:46 AM

All points no more than 2 feet away. Also easier to maintain and due to their proximity to the front of the layout will be operated with a special tool using the in-built plastic tie-bar lugs rather than the hassle and expense of point motors.

An excellent and imaginative layout plan, Chris.

I agree about point operation and I produced the Poppingham Pole to operate the points, some of which can be 2'6" away, depending on how my layout is orientated.

Best wishes

John

PS A chum of mine was at Nellis for a while.

Thanks John. It is true that Poppingham was one of a number of NGF layouts that got me scratching my head about all this in the first place so thank you for being an inspiration.

Glad that someone else uses a pole/tool to change points. So much simpler if the track plan allows for such things.

May I ask what aforementioned chum did?
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: keithbythe sea on September 28, 2019, 07:23:55 AM
Very nice legs Chris.  :-[
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on September 28, 2019, 07:30:27 AM
Very nice legs Chris.  :-[

LOL. I was SOOOO tempted to post that joke myself! Thank you for doing that for me.

Once I've designed and built my point changing implement I wil, of course, be sharing a picture of my tool.  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ ;)
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on September 28, 2019, 12:16:07 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/4141-280919121003.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82055)

Well, this is the left side 3 foot frame built.

Now, before I go any further with this thread, I would like to warn everyone that the walls of this room are LAVENDER/LILAC. I have got the impression that this colour can invoke feelings of disgust and outrage however I liked the idea when I painted this room many years ago. I did not want to have the hassle of redecorating before starting the layout and the backscenes will be quite tall so any pics of the layout will NOT feature this colour much in the future.

Anyway, it looks OK in the pic.  :D

Just to repeat the process with the 4 foot right side frame!

The walls should be a deep blue by the end of this anyway. :censored:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on September 28, 2019, 07:29:14 PM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/4141-280919192038.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82070)

Well, here is the completed framework along with all the stuff that will be stored underneath (!). Hopefully the stuff will be reduced as I have a decent throw-out. The undersides of the horizontals are 3 feet off the floor but I can reach the back without leaning very far forward.

Out of interest the blue packaging at the right side of the pic contains upholsterers foam which I have been storing in this room for years. I intend to use it instead of polystyrene to build the landscape. I have experimented with coating the stuff with plaster mixed with PVA glue and it worked really well.

It's strange but, once I had the frame finished, it seemed bigger than I imagined it would be although there was a decorating table there before and I was very pernickety about my measuring.


I fear I have created a monster  :goggleeyes:.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Newportnobby on September 28, 2019, 09:15:40 PM
I fear I have created a monster  :goggleeyes:.

But screw your courage to the sticking place and you'll not fail.
(From that 'Scottish play')
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 09, 2019, 03:03:56 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/4141-091019145554.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82483)

Just a test shot to see how my phone takes pics of N Gauge equipment. This is a US Prairie loco and 2 Santa Fe coaches which will be amongst the stock run on the MQR.

Work commitments and building storage shelves into my layout framework have consumed my time since the last update but the former is due to continue for another 19 years and the latter is progressing rapidly.

My aim is to have the shelves finished by end-of-play tomorrow then work on specific baseboard design will follow soon afterwards.

I may, once the carnage in my front bedroom is cleared away, take and post some more stock pics just to whet your appetites!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 09, 2019, 03:51:09 PM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/4141-091019154821.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82486)

A Mikado on a (very) short freight.



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/4141-091019155011.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82487)

A B&O GP7. (ADDENDUM: More likely a SD40 Hi-Nose - thanks to John (trainwaitng) for the correction).
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 09, 2019, 04:18:42 PM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/4141-091019161351.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82491)

Pennsy E8.

Out of interest, I think passenger trains will be 2 or 3 coaches long on the whole. Maybe 4. I am considering acquiring some US coaches which will be either be purchased 'maroon' (such as the Tuscan red of the PRR) or will be repainted. I feel they will then 'sit' well with my various locos and make a 'standard' train rather than having to build carriage sidings for different countries. However, in the late '60s when BR Corporate Blue was appearing it was possible to see a blue diesel pulling Green Mk.1 carriages on the Southern Region so I could go with green.

Choices, choices.  ;)

I do like the matt appearance of the loco against the slight shine of my homemade sky backdrop. A thin layer of varnish was applied to allow the sky to shine and appear to contain light rather than being a flat matt blue. I will continue with this idea on the layout.

You know - bring a little sunshine.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Train Waiting on October 09, 2019, 08:34:45 PM
Thank you for these interesting photographs, Chris.

That 'Mikado' is certainly a very business-like locomotive.

It's probably just my small screen and ageing eyesight but the B&O GP7 looks like an SD with three axle trucks.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 10, 2019, 02:59:55 AM
It's probably just my small screen and ageing eyesight but the B&O GP7 looks like an SD with three axle trucks.

You may be right John! The box vanished a long time ago so I couldn't be sure. The body looked very GP-like to me when I wrote the caption for the pic, but, now you mention it, I'd forgotten about the SD series.

I will look this up and check.

Thank you.

Chris.

ADDENDUM: It could be a hi nose SD40.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 10, 2019, 09:51:00 AM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/4141-101019094706.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82511)

BR Class 25.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/4141-101019094828.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82512)

BR Class 22.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/4141-101019094936.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82513)

BR Class 52.

More soon.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 10, 2019, 09:55:14 AM
looks good especially with the light catching the side of the train
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 10, 2019, 10:00:17 AM
looks good especially with the light catching the side of the train

Thanks Chris. I agree. This little mocked up scene is on the front of the layout frame so, when built, the layout will be in the same place. I hope that the lighting will benefit the layout when built. It is a mix of natural light from the window and the top light in the room.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 10, 2019, 10:03:34 AM
i have never seen a class 22 haul mk 1s - suburban / ex gwr stock maybe wrong - mainly unfitted freight and of course the cornish china clay and / or milk tanks which they were known
for hauling
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 10, 2019, 10:30:56 AM
i have never seen a class 22 haul mk 1s - suburban / ex gwr stock maybe wrong - mainly unfitted freight and of course the cornish china clay and / or milk tanks which they were known
for hauling

That's useful. I just made a train and swapped the locos for the pics. It's something to research though. Thanks. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 10, 2019, 10:36:41 AM
chris


not mine .... but ....
https://www.flickr.com/groups/2174423@N23/pool/ (https://www.flickr.com/groups/2174423@N23/pool/)

selection of photos

you would need br maroon and a green 22, but mainly freight
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 10, 2019, 10:38:54 AM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/4141-101019103351.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82516)

3 Car DMU.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/4141-101019103506.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82517)

Class 37.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/4141-101019103624.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82518)

Class 08.

Funnily enough, although I bought the UK stock a few years back for a planned Welsh-themed layout, this is the very first time any of this stock has been out of it's boxes. It has been nice to put them on the track and look them over. The quality is impressive. I look forward to giving them a place to live and operate!

And next - eine kleine Deutsches Bundesbahn.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 10, 2019, 10:40:50 AM
just my era - super selection of stock !!!!


class 22 ....https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/97284-class-22-areas-of-operation/ (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/97284-class-22-areas-of-operation/)
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 14, 2019, 08:16:43 AM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/4141-141019081241.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82744)

This is the fruits of my recent labours. Finished yesterday, I have integrated 3 removable shelves into my layout frame to tidy/organize the place.

I also built the box which lurks on the floor under the left-most shelf. It actually contains the chassis for an electric 5 inch gauge loco which, one day I will build a body for.

Obviously, it won't be making an appearance on the layout as it might not fit alongside my platforms!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Milton Rail on October 14, 2019, 09:47:46 AM
Great thread Chris and great progress - very neat carpentry skills on display  :thumbsup:

Looking forward to seeing how this layout develops
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: cornish yorkie on October 14, 2019, 05:30:26 PM
 :hellosign:.  :greatpicturessign:
  Many thanks Chris, very interesting locos & stock, nice woodworking too, all looking good.  :thumbsup:
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 14, 2019, 06:02:11 PM
 :thankyousign:

After a short Mentorship Update meeting today at work I put some finishing touches - a couple of hinges and a magnetic catch - on my 5" gauge loco's storage box.

I have now taped a number of sheets of A4 paper together so I can doodle curve radii and point location for the left side of the plan. The turning-triangle has caused much head scratching (and subsequent removal of wood splinters from under my fingernails) but I am getting there! It's amazing how track geometry can take such working out - how placing track components will influence where other things can/cannot then go.

If I had a barn or an old aircraft hangar at my disposal I am sure this would all be so much easier - a lot more room! Then again, it may be just as bad or, even, worse.

Tally-ho!
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 15, 2019, 01:41:16 PM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/4141-151019133357.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82793)

Evidence that I am, actually, building a layout rather than just building storage units! This is my version of SCARM (or whatever).

The idea is to plan the shape of the baseboard where the turning-triangle will be so the triangle is all contained on one board with track crossing joins at 90 degrees or as close as possible. The carriage is sitting on the top chord of the triangle. It is all fitting together pretty well and I am happy with the way the plan is translating into reality so far.

It appears the minimum radius for the layout will be the equivalent of Peco 3rd radius which delights my simple mind more than just a bit. I should, therefore, be able to run any loco that I should happen to acquire without problems.

I have just come back from my nearby B&Q with the first 2 sheets of 6mm 4 ft x 2 ft MDF to cut to size.

Progress, progress, progress. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on October 15, 2019, 03:57:35 PM
Thatís my method of track planning.  :D

Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 15, 2019, 04:04:22 PM
Thatís my method of track planning.  :D

But it works!
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on October 15, 2019, 04:42:50 PM
Thatís my method of track planning.  :D

But it works!
Certainly does. I like to be able to perceive the scenery on my layouts before track is laid and I find that impossible with track planning software.
Laying the track out loosely on a baseboard gives me the scope to imagine how things will look.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 15, 2019, 04:47:42 PM
Thatís my method of track planning.  :D

But it works!
Certainly does. I like to be able to perceive the scenery on my layouts before track is laid and I find that impossible with track planning software.
Laying the track out loosely on a baseboard gives me the scope to imagine how things will look.

I absolutely agree, Martin. I also like being able to place stock on the track to see how it will look when negotiating a curve such as the carriage in my pic. I think it looks fine so I know the 3rd radius curve will function and look alright when built. Not sure if you can do that with software. Anyway I will be building with real track so I may as well plan with it!
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Train Waiting on October 15, 2019, 06:11:39 PM
Thatís my method of track planning.  :D


Mine too!  I ended up with an additional siding that didn't work in theory.

But worked in practice when I laid out the Setrack!


Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 15, 2019, 07:04:52 PM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/4141-151019185419.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82804)

Well, this is the left hand board cut. The odd shape in the bottom left is where the turning-triangle's board will interface. The board will be supported by strip wood framework underneath and a separate track bed will be raised an inch or so above this. The board in the picture will form the bottom level of scenery ie. the bottom of the lake.

Due to 3 night shifts starting tomorrow there will be a break in construction for a few days. Then, due a week of leave I will plough on! :laugh:

P.S. At the very bottom of the pic are my toes/socks. I formally apologise for the hole in the right-hand sock. :-[
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Newportnobby on October 16, 2019, 08:32:27 AM

P.S. At the very bottom of the pic are my toes/socks. I formally apologise for the hole in the right-hand sock. :-[

That's one way to nail it ;D
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 16, 2019, 08:35:42 AM

P.S. At the very bottom of the pic are my toes/socks. I formally apologise for the hole in the right-hand sock. :-[

That's one way to nail it ;D

To my mind, this is a sure sign that my thread has been accepted and embraced to the bosom of the NGF community.

I am beginning to have my own collection of awful jokes and puns.

Bring it on!!!! :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Bealman on October 16, 2019, 09:18:09 AM
Nice sock. Sure sign of being a bit heavy on the car's accelerator  ;)
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 16, 2019, 09:29:07 AM
Nice sock. Sure sign of being a bit heavy on the car's accelerator  ;)

I drive like a Fighter Pilot. Low 'n' fast, banking 'n' cranking. :D
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Innovationgame on October 16, 2019, 10:18:35 AM

To my mind, this is a sure sign that my thread has been accepted and embraced to the bosom of the NGF community.

I am beginning to have my own collection of awful jokes and puns.

Bring it on!!!! :smiley-laughing:
Sounds like a quest for the holey nail!
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 16, 2019, 10:21:02 AM

To my mind, this is a sure sign that my thread has been accepted and embraced to the bosom of the NGF community.

I am beginning to have my own collection of awful jokes and puns.

Bring it on!!!! :smiley-laughing:
Sounds like a quest for the holey nail!

That was awful. Brilliant, and yet, awful. :D

In fact, it was SO awful it made me prance-a-lot with mirth. :-[
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 18, 2019, 04:36:26 AM
I have been scouring online OS maps to see if they may shed some more light on my chosen location.

One interesting place name came to light. What I have called Carnellis appears to be next to something that is called "The Devil's Night Cap". How about that for a station name? Hmmmmmmm. Not sure. Carnellis sounds so much more, well, family-friendly even if less exciting.

Having some interesting ideas about that 'future branch' though.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 18, 2019, 04:49:59 AM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/4141-260919120935.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81920)

Seems strange to be quoting myself but I don't have access to my personal PC right now so I pinched the image from its original post.

My thoughts on the 'future branch' relate to "Where does it go?". As shown on the plan it points across the bedroom doorway so that won't be any good. The idea is to loop it up over the lake and above and behind the top left hand corner to run down behind Maen Station and yards. This will enable it to have access to an alcove where a sensible terminus could be built. Also I think it would look nice.

I will continue to plot evilly over this idea.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Innovationgame on October 18, 2019, 06:38:01 AM
My thoughts on the 'future branch' relate to "Where does it go?". As shown on the plan it points across the bedroom doorway so that won't be any good. The idea is to loop it up over the lake and above and behind the top left hand corner to run down behind Maen Station and yards. This will enable it to have access to an alcove where a sensible terminus could be built. Also I think it would look nice.
Interesting!
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Newportnobby on October 18, 2019, 09:38:09 AM
The 'Devil's Night Cap' is a good name for my last Southern Comfort of an evening :D
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Milton Rail on October 18, 2019, 01:54:14 PM
 :laughabovepost:

That tipple'd me over into mirth  :)   

Great progress with the track planning Chris
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 19, 2019, 01:30:06 PM
OMG!!!!  :goggleeyes: I am NOT one for looney impulse buying but I just did.

This behemoth from Ebay.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/4141-191019132816.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82956)

I am expecting it on Tuesday after getting a quote for reinforcing the foundations of my house.

"They're coming to take me away, Ha ha, Ho Ho, Hee Hee, To the funny farm" etc.

 :D

Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 20, 2019, 07:24:49 AM
Thatís one big boy!  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 20, 2019, 07:48:08 AM
Thatís one big boy!  :goggleeyes:

As I am sure you know only too well, it isn't actually a Big Boy but it is, indeed, not far removed from one. A 2-8-8-2 is close enough for now. I always wanted something like this so couldn't resist it when I saw it. My post regarding my initial layout plan mentions locos up to 10 inches in length (which is why I won't have loco-release crossovers in my main terminus station) and it was specifically locos such as this that I had in mind.

Problem was I didn't have one.

Now I do!!!!!! :claphappy:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 22, 2019, 08:25:05 PM
Just a little update. Baseboards are being built. There is a fair bit of planning involved in order to get these right so I am not keen to rush.

My US Mallet arrived today and looks superb. I won't take it out of the box until I have somewhere to put it. The cork strip for my track bed also arrived which is good news.

Pics soon.

Take care all.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on October 22, 2019, 08:37:31 PM
Crikey!
I use a miniature modellerís hammer not a Mallet  :D
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 23, 2019, 11:25:13 PM
This is something of which I really am not certain so any thoughts/opinions would be really gratefully received.  :hmmm:

It is about 6 km from the location of my 'fictitious prototype' to the Falmouth branch.

Could I, with a short line disappearing under a bridge or something similar, suggest a hypothetical link to the Falmouth Branch? Possibly making a junction near Four Cross (if you know the area)? It would allow incoming charters and give rise to the possibility of some sort of incoming/outgoing freight commodities.

I have been so happy so far with the way my plan could fit into a possible reality that I think this is, maybe, a BIT too far-fetched but I feel that, if I don't allow for something at this stage of planning, I might regret it. :-\

What, oh NGF chums, do you think?

Answers on a post to this address.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Milton Rail on October 24, 2019, 07:18:44 AM
That is a big big loco!  I know it wouldn't get far round my layout!  my longer loco's don't like the curve I have just be for the viaduct ... so I have a feeling this one would just sit there and sulk " you expect me to get round that!" ....

I don't know the area, but seems to me a link to the Falmouth branch seems a reasonable leap of imagination and in line with the spirit of adventure that the early railway pioneers had when they built all manner of railways criss-crossing the countryside and linking lots of small communities   :beers:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Innovationgame on October 24, 2019, 07:20:43 AM
It sounds feasible to me, but the Cornwall specialists would know moe than I do.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 24, 2019, 07:27:23 AM
Thanks chaps.  :thumbsup:

A scheme is brewing.  >:D
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 24, 2019, 07:58:07 AM
That is a big big loco!  I know it wouldn't get far round my layout!  my longer loco's don't like the curve I have just be for the viaduct ... so I have a feeling this one would just sit there and sulk " you expect me to get round that!" ....


That surprizes me Andrew. I have always heard that such locos can traverse at least Peco 2nd Radius curves due to both sets of wheels being able to turn. I have just sat mine on a 3rd radius curve without any issues. This is good news because I didn't ask the seller before I sent him £149.00 (including postage).  :-[

It was a present to myself and a case of "if I don't grab it, some other bu##er will!" >:D


Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on October 24, 2019, 08:55:14 AM
That machine would certainly cause a stir if it appeared anywhere near Penweathers Junction Chris.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 24, 2019, 12:34:57 PM
Well. Here is a bit of news.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/4141-241019121817.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83126)

This is an aerial picture of 3 quarries/aggregate suppliers at Long Downs in Cornwall- the sandy-coloured shapes. They are, actually, real working businesses and operate today in reality. However, in my version of things they are doing so well that they need a better way to move their products than the winding roads that are found in the area.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/4141-241019121942.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83127)

Luckily they are a little to the west of the Falmouth Branch. Talks take place between these companies and Network Rail and the decision is made to build a new line from the Falmouth Branch to a loading pad that will be located at a central point amidst the 3 companies at Long Downs. The junction with the branch line will be at a place called Four Cross. Which is at the top right of the picture marked with a yellow pin.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/4141-241019122321.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83128)

This is a close-up of the location of the junction at Four Cross, just to the south of the more southerly road overbridge. The railway runs from upper left to lower right.

Now one of my enterprising owners of the nascent Maen Quarry Railway (which is being built - mostly basic ground works- at the present) hears of this plan and thinks that as rail link to the National Network would be a jolly good idea and proposes a branch from the MQR to make an end-on junction with the new NR branch. This would allow the Mainline-Certified stock (e.g. the BR 3 Car DMU) to operate a shuttle service to/from Truro in order to bring visitors to the MQR.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/4141-241019122919.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83129)

This pic shows the MQR/Carnellis marked at bottom left with Long Downs' proposed rail head at the top center. The link between will run north-easterly from former to latter with the junction with the MQR located just west of Carnellis station.

This is how I will incorporate a hypothetical link from my layout to the 'outside world'. It all sounds rather grand but will, in reality, be no more than a hidden line and run-round loop. However, it will offer a number of additional operating opportunities which, I feel are well worth the tiny bit of work involved.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Innovationgame on October 24, 2019, 01:29:34 PM
That looks like a tidy bit of research, Chris.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 24, 2019, 01:43:12 PM
That looks like a tidy bit of research, Chris.

Thank you Laurence. I find it all part of the enjoyment. Nothing wrong in my mind with complete works of fiction but I rather like trying to add even a dash of plausibility. However, subtle. I'd hate to think what the cost would be in real terms! :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 25, 2019, 11:36:30 PM
That machine would certainly cause a stir if it appeared anywhere near Penweathers Junction Chris.

This is not intended as pedantry, just out of interest because this always confused me a bit. The nearby hamlet to the junction is called Penwethers - with an E. My Maternal Grandparents lived there. However, and oddly enough, the nearby junction for the Falmouth Branch is called Penwithers - with an I. Now why is that? I am trying to find this out but am not having a great deal of joy at the moment.

That aside, Martin, you are very right. Such a monster would cause a stir. I don't think it'll get clearance through the platforms at Truro, or anywhere else for that matter! Realizing this has made the need for a road unloading pad for rolling stock a necessity as my US and German stock is built to a bigger loading gauge so rail movements are out-of-the-question. I have decided that, as the lanes around the MQR don't really lend themselves well to the Train Truckers, the loading/unloading pad will be located on my hypothetical link-line which can be easily accessed from the much more generously proportioned A394 through Long Downs.

As Hannibal from the A Team would say," I love it when a plan comes together."

My initial 2 baseboards (for the main layout/circuit) are progressing well so I will post some pics soon. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 26, 2019, 03:37:33 AM
As initial ground-works continue, our merry band of friends have frequent meetings in a variety of local Cornish hostelries to discuss plans. After having a good group belly-laugh at the cunning of the new plan for what is known as the MQR Long Downs Link Line which promises new opportunities, such issues as architecture for the railway are mulled over. The most favoured idea at this time is to push for a more American feel (the Mallet group having, by far, the greatest amount of clout) as this would make the railway stand out as being different from, and therefore not detracting from, the efforts of the 2 nearby established heritage operations ie: the Helston and Bodmin & Wenford Railways which, of course, draw from a Great Western/B.R. tradition.

Having poured over pictures of the more Alpine Chalet look of the Lynton & Barnstaple Railway (e.g. Woody Bay) and the hipped-roof structures of the West highland line it is felt that wooden structures with the flavour of these kind of station buildings would fit the bill very nicely. Also, the Continental stock would also sit well with these structures.

More ale and pasties are consumed and ideas continue to flow.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 26, 2019, 08:10:12 AM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/4141-261019075227.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83208)

As I warm more to this subject, I thought I'd share another element of my overall scheme. Above is a picture of Truro Station. Below is a closer view of the Western (Penzance/Falmouth) end.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/4141-261019080102.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83209)


Beginning from the bottom and working up the tracks we have: Platform 1 - the bay for the Falmouth Branch trains, Platform 2 - the Down Main to Penzance, Platform 3 - the Up Main to Plymouth and beyond, then the abandoned and lifted former Platform 4. This last platform face used to be the former Up Main Platform with Platform 3 serving some Falmouth Branch trains and the branch which used to go via Chacewater and Perranporth to Newquay. Up from this old platform is the site of what was once Truro extensive yard of which only 2 sidings remain at the top. The former MPD was off to the left of the picture.

Now if you look at where the current line to those 2 upper sidings leaves the Up Main there is a point which feeds a line that just peters out under the long footbridge. In my scheme, this is realigned to become a bay platform which brings the former Platform 4 back into use. This will follow a similar scheme to that of the Swanage Railway which seeks to regain a bay platform at Wareham for its Heritage line. This new bay at Truro will be where the shuttles to and from the MQR will terminate. The necessary crossover still exists to give access to the Falmouth branch which leaves the Down Main a little distance to the left of this picture beyond the short Highertown Tunnel. Interestingly, due to the short distance from the station to the junction, Falmouth branch trains only use the Down main in both directions.

Hope this all makes sense.  :thumbsup:








Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Milton Rail on October 26, 2019, 08:35:52 AM
I'd say that plan is definitley coming together, so long as it doesn't involve any planes, you might even get Mr T to agree  :beers:

Great research & great logic.... love how this is coming together .... good news that the big fella is happy on your curves, this chat has made me think again about the problematic curve I have and how I should try again to ease it out a bit, even though that might mean a lot of disruption!
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on October 26, 2019, 08:53:20 AM
Looking good Chris.
I like the developing back story which helps to bring things to life.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 26, 2019, 08:59:00 AM
Looking good Chris.
I like the developing back story which helps to bring things to life.

Thank you Andrew. Glad it all makes sense. :thumbsup:

Thank you Martin. Knowing that I am fiddling around with your local area and I have your approval so far is good news indeed! No cries of "OUTRAGE!!!!" just yet.  :veryangry:

Unless I decide to install overhead electric wires and, therefore, need to build a nuclear power station on Carnon Downs  >:D.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on October 26, 2019, 09:02:39 AM
Looking good Chris.
I like the developing back story which helps to bring things to life.

Thank you Andrew. Glad it all makes sense. :thumbsup:

Thank you Martin. Knowing that I am fiddling around with your local area and I have your approval so far is good news indeed! No cries of "OUTRAGE!!!!" just yet.  :veryangry:

Unless I decide to install overhead electric wires and, therefore, need to build a nuclear power station on Carnon Downs  >:D.
NO, NO....donít do that. Being quite high up on the slopes of Carn Marth we can see Carnon Downs (and Longdowns) on the horizon. A beautiful view across the woods. Please donít spoil our view  :D
Mind you with the rain having sheeted down here since about 6-00 yesterday evening and still doing so, we canít see a thing today!
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: cornish yorkie on October 27, 2019, 01:32:58 AM
 :hellosign:
  Like your plan Chris & think the "The Big Boy" would look superb down the main line  :D
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 27, 2019, 07:51:27 PM
Looking good Chris.
I like the developing back story which helps to bring things to life.

Unless I decide to install overhead electric wires and, therefore, need to build a nuclear power station on Carnon Downs  >:D.

Strange how a joke can sow a seed (or start a train) of thought. No, I am not contemplating a nuclear power plant. What with all the granite in Cornwall I think they have enough radioactivity down there as it is.

I am interested in a variety of things and I had an idea today. What if my jolly bunch of enterprising friends decided to run their steam locos on Biocoal? That would provide a legitimate industry for my layout where a rotary kiln could be installed in some sort of building and biodegradable waste could come in, be cooked up to about 800 deg. C in the kiln and turned into Biocoal? Lower carbon emissions and no negative effects of the very real coal crisis that is plaguing the futures of our heritage railways in the UK. There certainly was a group in the US which was restoring a A.T.S.F. ?4-8-4 to specifically trial this out so it isn't pure fantasy. See link below:

https://www.renewableenergymagazine.com/biofuels/steam-engines-making-a-comeback-to-curb (https://www.renewableenergymagazine.com/biofuels/steam-engines-making-a-comeback-to-curb)

A thought which I like and will dwell upon further.  :hmmm:

You never know, I might, one day, even splash out on a Freightliner Class 66 to bring the waste in.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 27, 2019, 08:22:12 PM
You have conducted research well . Are you using what to blend, scenic work etc the quarry chris? Ive used paints, grey, black and asked if i could coll ect a bag of powder after a light brown wall collapsed . Yes owner said. Its for a model i made. Ok help self. It going in a skip. Job done
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 27, 2019, 08:26:12 PM
You have conducted research well . Are you using what to blend, scenic work etc the quarry chris? Ive used paints, grey, black and asked if i could coll ect a bag of powder after a light brown wall collapsed . Yes owner said. Its for a model i made. Ok help self. It going in a skip. Job done

Thanks for your thoughts Chris. I have looked at pics of Cornish Granite quarries and am starting to get some ideas. I am building baseboards at the moment but, as I visit my mother in Cornwall regularly, I intend to visit the actual location and take some pics to guide my painting thoughts. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 27, 2019, 08:54:49 PM
good luck with the painting, maybe worth visiting libraries for maps, rail served quarries for photos.look forward to the next instalment
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 29, 2019, 03:14:26 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/4141-291019151227.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83355)

Gentle progress is being made with the main 2 baseboards.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 29, 2019, 08:23:33 PM
Coming along well with lots of interesting backstories. However, 50-60 years in the future from Cant Cove.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 29, 2019, 08:26:05 PM
Coming along well with lots of interesting backstories. However, 50-60 years in the future from Cant Cove.

Thanks Chris. You are right. Mine is modern day so won't be part of your 'history' of Cornish Railways.  :(
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 29, 2019, 08:30:20 PM
I do have some BR Blue and early 'Speedlink' stock but the early 1980s is as far as I go. In general Cant Cove is set in the late 1950s, early 1960s. However, your layout should be rather different and all the more interesting with its variety of stock. I think Andrew's Perthshire layout is more contemporary with yours?
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 29, 2019, 10:07:56 PM
Do i detect using vea, cornish clay hood wagons, st blazey wagons, polybulk, speedlink vaa vans that ran to exeter and beyond chris? Plus open and gunpowder vans
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 30, 2019, 01:55:57 AM
I do have some BR Blue and early 'Speedlink' stock but the early 1980s is as far as I go. In general Cant Cove is set in the late 1950s, early 1960s. However, your layout should be rather different and all the more interesting with its variety of stock. I think Andrew's Perthshire layout is more contemporary with yours?

You're right about Andrew's layout. It was one of a number of layouts here that sowed the initial "what if?" question. Mine is set very much in the here and now but, as a private railway, will be a totally separate concern and, therefore, has complete freedom to run whatever stock takes the owners (my!) fancy.

Do i detect using vea, cornish clay hood wagons, st blazey wagons, polybulk, speedlink vaa vans that ran to exeter and beyond chris? Plus open and gunpowder vans

I will need to transport some freight to/from the National Network via Long Downs so may need some advice as to which wagons would be right for my traffic. Like the Biomass waste products for my Biocoal. What wagons would be best for moving food waste in?

Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 30, 2019, 02:18:52 AM
Household waste trains google northenden binliner train, also calvert waste train. Research required. China clay and local produce trains, speedlink more my thing
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 30, 2019, 06:49:36 AM
Do i detect using vea, cornish clay hood wagons, st blazey wagons, polybulk, speedlink vaa vans that ran to exeter and beyond chris? Plus open and gunpowder vans

I only have a few of these.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 30, 2019, 11:21:20 PM
Household waste trains google northenden binliner train, also calvert waste train. Research required. China clay and local produce trains, speedlink more my thing

Had a look at the pics you suggested Chris but I can't find any models of them. I guess they are not made by anyone unless I've missed something. I guess I could scratch-build some bodies on suitable chassis. One for the future though.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 31, 2019, 04:10:23 AM
Mainly a grey or blue painted old style  container freightliner wagon 80s type with box container . I would  google rubbish binliner trains igg.org.uk/gansg/12-lining/waste.htm.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 31, 2019, 04:28:08 AM
Would google 'rubbish binliner trains.' s The northolt / acton to calvert train is different from greater manchester train. Rmweb has link. Re container size. Also look at OOVchina clay . Google ' oov wagon' itr the tops coding. Rmweb and ltsv.com
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 31, 2019, 07:11:41 AM
Shapeways do the flat wagons and containers. They do look good but need to think about how waste will be handled on my layout. Thanks for the ideas,
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 31, 2019, 07:20:55 AM
Google ' calvert waste incinerator' photos there you could model make from. Bob tidbury pm him he has a bin train. Ideas there.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 31, 2019, 07:55:02 AM
Google ' calvert waste incinerator' photos there you could model make from. Bob tidbury pm him he has a bin train. Ideas there.

Who is Bob Tidbury? If I know him, it will be by a username.

Not everyone is such a master of disguise as I am by merely dropping the space between their names.  :-[
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 31, 2019, 08:00:37 AM
Well known member BobTidbury. Pm him for where he obtained his binliner train chris
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 31, 2019, 08:38:15 AM
Well known member BobTidbury. Pm him for where he obtained his binliner train chris

Actually, I remember seeing his name here now I think about it (sorry, it's been a long and trying night) so I will bear that one in mind. Thanks again Chris.

Thing is the thrust of all this requires Biomass (agricultural, food even human waste) rather than household waste. Biofuel/biocoal can't make use of old cans of tuna etc. I think I need one of my guys to buy a couple of local fields and grow the right kind of grass (not the smokable "hey man, far out" kind) and links need to be made with the right kind of commercial/industrial and agricultural businesses to get the right stuff (not the Chuck Yeager kind). This may need tanker wagons of some sort.

Have to admit though, I am finding all this very interesting and educational. There is more to model railways than just the obvious  ;).
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on October 31, 2019, 08:40:59 AM
We see loads of tractors with trailers full of biomass material around here (particularly  at this time of year).
I think a lot of it is sweetcorn stems and leaves shredded up.

Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 31, 2019, 08:43:58 AM
We see loads of tractors with trailers full of biomass material around here (particularly  at this time of year).
I think a lot of it is sweetcorn stems and leaves shredded up.

Now THAT is the kind of thing I am hugely grateful to hear! Thank you Martin. Are there any companies you know of who are doing biofuels in Cornwall?

Maybe a mixture of tankers and open wagons with sheeting over the top might be an answer?
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on October 31, 2019, 08:47:14 AM
We see loads of tractors with trailers full of biomass material around here (particularly  at this time of year).
I think a lot of it is sweetcorn stems and leaves shredded up.

Now THAT is the kind of thing I am hugely grateful to hear! Thank you Martin. Are there any companies you know of who are doing biofuels in Cornwall?

Maybe a mixture of tankers and open wagons with sheeting over the top might be an answer?

This might help
https://www.biomass-energy.org.uk/cornwall/ (https://www.biomass-energy.org.uk/cornwall/)
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 31, 2019, 08:50:02 AM
We see loads of tractors with trailers full of biomass material around here (particularly  at this time of year).
I think a lot of it is sweetcorn stems and leaves shredded up.

Now THAT is the kind of thing I am hugely grateful to hear! Thank you Martin. Are there any companies you know of who are doing biofuels in Cornwall?

Maybe a mixture of tankers and open wagons with sheeting over the top might be an answer?

This might help
https://www.biomass-energy.org.uk/cornwall/ (https://www.biomass-energy.org.uk/cornwall/)

Thank you, thank you and, thrice, thank you! That is really helpful.  :D
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on October 31, 2019, 09:07:59 AM
Oov open wagon with sheeting make good china clay wagon. But speedlink, polybulk, vea. Vaa . Oba make that train. Milk tank train. Waste train as per earlier threads / points more realistic
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on October 31, 2019, 11:53:23 PM
I seem to use this thread as a place to deposit my ideas as they arise which i find really useful. Like a Building Society account. That way I have these thoughts written down for reference.

Anyway, my latest "thought for the day (with the Rev. Chrissy)" is that, following some research and some helpful input from Martin (PP), the enterprising councils of West Cornwall decide that the new NR rail-head at Long Downs should be made better use of and so they decree that it should become a hub for the concentration of Biomass from the local farms etc. of which there are many. It is at Long Downs that the Biomass can then be conveyed to the Biomass Energy producers which will 'do their thing' and turn it into Biofuel etc.

As the nearby Maen Quarry Railway is very keen to explore Biofuel, especially Biocoal, as a fuel source and wishes to produce it's own fuels in-house, the agreement is reached that they will be able to remove some of the gathered Biomass and transport it to Carnellis, via the Long Downs Link Line, for processing. This will involve regular, genuine, freight traffic using the MQR's own wagons. Which wagons, specifically, having yet to be decided.

Thanks to Chris (crewearpley40) and Martin (portperran) for their help and contributions.  :thumbsup:

P.S. Baseboards 1 & 2 (the main boards) are now ready to receive the track bed. Pics soon.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 01, 2019, 12:26:35 AM
This will involve regular, genuine, freight traffic using the MQR's own wagons. Which wagons, specifically, having yet to be decided.


Quoting myself again. :-[

Just thought that this will make a wonderful excuse for some US Quadhoppers. Biomass to Carnellis, then Biocoal to Maen Depot and Ash out to Long Downs which can be then sold as fer'ilizer. Oooh-arrrr!

I like this Eco-friendly approach. Environmentally responsible railway modelling. You know "The Maen Quarry Railway - a friend to your local planet" and all that jazz :D.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on November 01, 2019, 12:48:44 AM
In addition the oov china clay wagons under TOPS 73 WERE classified as ucv. 743029 survives at bucks railway centre. An example maybe found at didcot rail centre, another at totnes. These were the unfitted brake, blue sheeted, grey 7 plank found operating ex fowey with class 22 /29 later 25 and 37. Other types were used later before polybulk. Worth checking paulbartlett.com.zenfolio.com/clayhood-ucv. Chris
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 01, 2019, 03:11:16 AM
We see loads of tractors with trailers full of biomass material around here (particularly  at this time of year).
I think a lot of it is sweetcorn stems and leaves shredded up.

Now THAT is the kind of thing I am hugely grateful to hear! Thank you Martin. Are there any companies you know of who are doing biofuels in Cornwall?

Maybe a mixture of tankers and open wagons with sheeting over the top might be an answer?

This might help
https://www.biomass-energy.org.uk/cornwall/ (https://www.biomass-energy.org.uk/cornwall/)


That Bio Energy company is located a little bit north of Liskeard Station if you didn't already know Martin. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on November 01, 2019, 07:17:37 AM
Better look at biomass traffic, njee20, jha wagons. Chris. I have info on china clay traffic etc chris. originals were modified from GWR designs of an earlier wagon which was just covered with a flat sheet. looking at paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/prenatclayliner and paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brclayliner/hA209E86#h2d1854ab  I think the originals were br built with end doors with a fixed tarpaulin bar.

numbers 743000 - 743099
and 743100 - 743874 two batches built


suggest 743000 - 743299 were unfitted
743300  to 743874 fitted vacuum brake

mainly hauled par / st blazey class 22, 42, 52 - post 1974 by classes 25, 37, 50

typical working :

7M26 St Blazey - Longport, Stoke, Etruria taking china clay to Josiah Wedgewood factory


7M86  St Blazey - Carlisle via Exeter, Bescot, Warrington Arpley returned via 7V30 Carlisle - Severn Tunnel Junction and 7X31 onward  westbound


hope helps

reference material :

david larkin, working wagons volume 2 1974 - 1979





brc-stockbook.co.uk suggests withdrawn fleet by 1987 replaced by CDA wagons
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 01, 2019, 04:44:55 PM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/4141-011119163804.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83443)

Just a mock-up and test shot to test the relationship between intended track height and proposed water level in the lake. As it so happens the surface of the mirror is a CM above the floor (the intended depth of the clear resin I will use to make the 'water') and the frame is the same thickness as the stripwood I will use to support the 6mm MDF trackbed.

I just wanted to see how well the trains would be reflected in the surface of the lake and to get some idea of how high the backscenes would need to be. The latter looks to need to be in the order of 18 inches or so, so removable backscenes will be the order of the day. Thankfully, I have planned for this so my base boards are already set to accommodate this.

I think it looks very nice. Sadly the lake is some way off into the future but it was vital that I had this worked out at this early stage.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on November 01, 2019, 04:55:00 PM
I canít really relate to that photo Chris.  :doh:
But, if you are happy then thatís all that matters.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Innovationgame on November 01, 2019, 05:02:25 PM
No, I can't work it out at all.  Is it upside down?
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 01, 2019, 05:07:55 PM
I canít really relate to that photo Chris.  :doh:
But, if you are happy then thatís all that matters.

No, I can't work it out at all.  Is it upside down?

Sorry chaps. I laid a decent-sized round mirror on the floor and then placed a piece of 6mm MDF on the frame. The coach is on the MDF. What you are seeing is the coach plus its reflection in the mirror. This replicates the hoped for appearance of a train running past the lake (when built). I wanted to check the effect with this mock-up. It's a feature that I always wanted - trains running past a water-feature with them reflected in the surface of the water.

A previous attempt on a much earlier layout wasn't a success and demonstrated that viewing-angle, width of water-feature and height of train above water level all were needed to be worked out for it to work.

Just humour me. :confused1:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Innovationgame on November 01, 2019, 05:11:03 PM
Ahhhh.  Now I get it.  Yes, it works joly well.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 01, 2019, 05:12:01 PM
Ahhhh.  Now I get it.  Yes, it works joly well.

PHEW!!!!!
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on November 01, 2019, 05:12:45 PM
Agreed. I see it now.
Looks good.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on November 01, 2019, 06:16:53 PM
Like the storyline. Chris. Happy modelling
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 02, 2019, 07:50:10 AM
It looks like that will work well Chris. As you say lighting and viewing angle will both be factors in the finished effect. (As I am finding with my mown grass!).
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 02, 2019, 08:39:35 AM
It looks like that will work well Chris. As you say lighting and viewing angle will both be factors in the finished effect. (As I am finding with my mown grass!).

Nothing is that straight-forward is it? It all takes planning, but I enjoy it provided I get the right ideas beforehand!
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 02, 2019, 04:53:27 PM
 :hellosign:
  Your ideas are progressing very well, very interesting and clever back story. Looking forward to more.  :thumbsup:
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 02, 2019, 05:35:35 PM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/4141-021119172804.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83482)

Just a little update. The stripwood to support the trackbed is progressing on the left side baseboard. The outside pieces are glued and screwed from below and are 6mm in from the baseboard edges. This will permit for a 6mm MDF fascia to keep everything neat. The inner pieces of wood are yet to be fixed down. The gap in the stripwood on the far left hand side is for the bottom of the valley with the stream.

I have to admit I find the marking, drilling, counter-sinking, gluing and screwing a bit repetitious so I do a bit at a time. :-[

However, I am happy so far with the way this is evolving. :thumbsup:

Due to my car needing its annual service this month and the fact that, after 16 years of sterling service, my washer/dryer disintegrated a few days ago, this month is going to be a little on the tight side financially. Just as well I made sure I had a good supply of wood so I will be able to plod on merrily and steadily.  :D
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on November 02, 2019, 06:00:33 PM
I found an article model rail 267 november 2019 page - 106. Deluxe materials eze putty by gaugemaster . Create your own wagon covers. And the pra wagon used in speedlink services on china clay. Worth a read
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 02, 2019, 08:33:52 PM
Well, I have just finished fixing the last pieces of stripwood on the left hand board. There's no point in posting a pic as it won't look very much different from the last pic and some of the wood is weighted down with things.

Hopefully, I will complete the process with the right hand board over the next days, then I will fill any gaps with trimmed-down upholsterers' foam in readiness to then cut and fit the trackbeds. However, this last step will require the use of a jigsaw and will need to be done outside - the noise is awful if I do it indoors - so I will have to wait for a dry day.

Then, and this will be VERY exciting, I will be able to get those lengths of Flexi-track I have been hoarding for (literally) years and the necessary points and get TRACK LAYING!!!! >:D
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 03, 2019, 07:46:50 AM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/4141-031119072658.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83496)

I thought it might be useful to provide a little map of the MQR and how it fits into the wider world. This will make it easier for people to understand what I am talking about.

I hope it is clear.

The MQR has a principle storage and engineering/maintenance depot at Long Downs where the end-on junction with the NR freight branch (which links with the Falmouth branch) exists. This is where a group of modern 'cow shed' style buildings are to be found, along with a turntable. There also is a 10 coach long passing loop ('excursion loop' on the map) where railtours get broken down into shorter trains which can then be pulled to Maen due to the platforms at Maen being rather short. These short trains are then hauled back to Long Downs and reassembled in the loop when outbound.

This entire facility along with the link line north of Carnellis will be represented on the layout by a fiddle yard and is something of a Godsend as I was having major issues with how to fit a loco depot, station and carriage/wagon sidings at Maen. Therefore, Long Downs MQR acts as a 'safety valve' which means Maen can become a more pleasant place rather than a jammed-up array of sidings.

Carnellis is where the MQR will produce its own Biofuels and this will give an operating industry for the layout.

The branch that heads south goes to the nearby village of Constantine. This exists in reality and could generate a small amount of additional freight and, possibly, some sort of commuter service although the real lanes which lead there don't really lend themselves well to large volumes of traffic but, hey ho, I could envisage it as a small passenger railhead to replace Helston.

Helston lost its station in the 1960s with the closure of the branch and, although there is a preservation society which seeks to rebuild as much of the branch as possible, there is very little chance of it regaining the original station site as industrial estates etc, have swallowed up the trackbed. Interestingly enough, the original goods shed still survives but seems to have been assimilated into an apartment block.

So, ladies and gentlemen, this is what I perceive the MQR would look like on a map and, hopefully, my musings will make more sense. If you care to look Long Downs or Constantine up on Google Earth you will see how it would fit into the real landscape :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: crewearpley40 on November 03, 2019, 07:52:28 AM
Chris. Looking good. If a short platform could put a temporary wooden or low relief structure in. Map does help
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on November 03, 2019, 08:21:37 AM
Looks good Chris.
And a bonus.......a rail line to Constantine. Iíd be taking the train there too often  :D
Not everyone knows but Constantine, for a small village in the middle of nowhere has one of the finest whisky stores in the country. If you get the chance, and if you are interested in malt whisky, pop into the village shop and walk through to the back room. You will be amazed.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 03, 2019, 08:26:21 AM
Looks good Chris.
And a bonus.......a rail line to Constantine. Iíd be taking the train there too often  :D
Not everyone knows but Constantine, for a small village in the middle of nowhere has one of the finest whisky stores in the country. If you get the chance, and if you are interested in malt whisky, pop into the village shop and walk through to the back room. You will be amazed.

You seem to have adopted the role of 'Good News Fairy' Martin. First, your help with Biomass, now Cornish Whiskey. I was thinking about the possibility of a Whiskey distillery appearing at Constantine as another source of freight traffic. You have now added even greater impetus to this idea. In fact I'd never even known there was such a thing as Cornish Whiskey until I read about it in one of your posts.

Thanks once again!  :D
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Newportnobby on November 03, 2019, 09:12:56 AM
As a slight aside it's interesting the Cornish spell 'whiskey' as the Irish do.
Chris, a bit more about the elixir of life..................
https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=opera&q=cornish+whisky&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=opera&q=cornish+whisky&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on November 03, 2019, 09:24:33 AM
As a slight aside it's interesting the Cornish spell 'whiskey' as the Irish do.
Chris, a bit more about the elixir of life..................
https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=opera&q=cornish+whisky&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=opera&q=cornish+whisky&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)
There are, in fact, no hard and fast rules about the spelling. Actually, whiskey wasnít  as far as Iím aware ever distilled (legally) in Cornwall until recently when two companies started production on a relatively small scale. Hence, my own new layout with its distillery is purely fictional.
I think Healeys (who produce Cornish Whiskey today) took the conscious decision to spell it with an Ďeí to distinguish it from Scottish malts.
Other whisk(e)y producing nations have a mixture of the two spellings.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 03, 2019, 12:45:30 PM
 :hellosign:
  Hope this may be useful

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/4216-031119124431.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83502)
 regards Derek.  :beers:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 04, 2019, 04:39:02 AM
Having virtually driven alcohol from my life, this may all be a terrible temptation.  :goggleeyes:

I do intend, however, that when I next visit Cornwall, I will stick my pack on my back and visit all of these places in person. A brace of good pics will help enormously. A visit to Constantine sounds like a great way to spend some time and, if I take Martin's (PP) advice and wander into the back room of the village store...................
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 04, 2019, 05:01:52 AM
Some may remember my mentioning a test that was going to be conducted in the USA on a former ATSF 4-6-4 Hudson to run it on Biofuel/coal:

https://www.renewableenergymagazine.com/biofuels/steam-engines-making-a-comeback-to-curb (https://www.renewableenergymagazine.com/biofuels/steam-engines-making-a-comeback-to-curb)

Well, I read that this plan stalled due to legal wrangles over ownership of the loco. However, the organization concerned have since successfully trialed their ideas out on 15 inch gauge locos at the Minnesota Zoo:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjh293u0c_lAhVGQhUIHcGAAJQQMwiAASguMC4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbiomassmagazine.com%2Farticles%2F14837%2Fbiofuel-tests-in-milwaukee-zoo-locomotives-a-success&psig=AOvVaw1b-Apy1dQw0OC0AtN_-4XT&ust=1572925399664463&ictx=3&uact=3 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjh293u0c_lAhVGQhUIHcGAAJQQMwiAASguMC4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbiomassmagazine.com%2Farticles%2F14837%2Fbiofuel-tests-in-milwaukee-zoo-locomotives-a-success&psig=AOvVaw1b-Apy1dQw0OC0AtN_-4XT&ust=1572925399664463&ictx=3&uact=3)

Also, successful tests have have carried out on the Launceston Railway:

http://www.tavistock-today.co.uk/article.cfm?id=181&headline=Biologs%20fuel%20the%20train%20on%20uphill%20run&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2010 (http://www.tavistock-today.co.uk/article.cfm?id=181&headline=Biologs%20fuel%20the%20train%20on%20uphill%20run&sectionIs=news&searchyear=2010)

Just thought I'd share as this all adds credibility to my scheme. One interesting point I notice is that Biocoal can simply be substituted for normal fossil coal without any modification to the locomotive. This is good news indeed! 

 :bounce:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 13, 2019, 07:23:15 PM
Life has been a bit full recently. What with buying a new car and a washer/dryer, visiting family in London and things, I haven't had much time to make a lot of layout progress since my last post. However, some ingenious accounting has allowed me to acquire a couple of treats.

May I introduce...ÖÖ..


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/4141-131119191559.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83887)

A Union Pacific Doodlebug. Please note the appropriate Guardian in the background - the Spirit of St. Louis!



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/4141-131119191838.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83888)

A USRA Light Mountain 4-8-2. Unlettered so I will choose something at a later date. My Mikado and Prairie need the same treatment.

Neither are great pics, I apologise, but my usual stock photo booth is covered in track and tools from the layout-build. I hope to get back to that when I have some time free.


Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 13, 2019, 07:25:41 PM
Just noticed the Mountain's rear pony-truck wheel is derailed. The loco is on my living room floor and was hard to get on the track. The layout will be 3 feet above the floor so that shouldn't be a problem in the future! I hope.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Train Waiting on November 13, 2019, 07:57:25 PM
These are great additions, Chris.

The US bug is biting you hard!

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 13, 2019, 08:06:32 PM
These are great additions, Chris.

The US bug is biting you hard!

Best wishes.

John

Thanks John. I always liked the rugged, purposeful look of US stock. The same for German/Austrian locos. Hence the collection. UK stock is more elegant and graceful by comparison until we get to the post WW2 BR standards which adopted many of the characteristics of - wait for it - US and German designs.

The 2 locos cost £100.00 for both. Devious bidding did the trick!  :D
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 16, 2019, 05:41:26 PM
Not much progress has taken place on the actual layout build, partly due to rainy weather but my personal financial admin time has enabled me to continue acquiring new stock.

One great find was these 4 US Coal Hoppers at £10.00 each. These will be perfect for my Biocoal train from Long Downs to Maen where a wooden coaling tower will be built. They may, however, get a repaint and re-lettering.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/4141-161119173202.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83963)


I have also chosen the Hornby Arnold RENFE carriages as the standard carriages for the MQR. They will suit both US and Continental stock and at 115mm in length will be ideal for my anticipated train length of 3 or 4. I will acquire some Maroon Mk1s for the UK stock. However, carriage-buying will have to wait for a wee while.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/4141-161119173433.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83964)


Hopefully, now I have got my finances in a vastly improved state and so I feel I have achieved my mission over the last days, I will make some progress soon. I am definately one of those people who focus intensely on the task in hand until it is done so didn't want to have my mind elsewhere while building baseboards etc.!
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 16, 2019, 09:23:05 PM
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign:
  Recent additions looking good Chris,
         regards Derek.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 17, 2019, 08:02:11 PM
Today  I have managed to 'get my act together' and jigsawed the 4 corner pieces of trackbed. Some fettling is necessary but I hope to have all of the trackbed fixed in place by the middle of the week.

Tomorrow is drive-to-High-Wycombe-and-collect-new-car day plus sorting the new insurance out, Tuesday is at work, so Wednesday and Thursday are available for further progress.

Pics to follow when I have something worth posting.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on November 17, 2019, 08:20:03 PM
Today  I have managed to 'get my act together' and jigsawed the 4 corner pieces of trackbed. Some fettling is necessary but I hope to have all of the trackbed fixed in place by the middle of the week.

Tomorrow is drive-to-High-Wycombe-and-collect-new-car day plus sorting the new insurance out, Tuesday is at work, so Wednesday and Thursday are available for further progress.

Pics to follow when I have something worth posting.  :thumbsup:
Always the best way to start a jigsaw.
With the four corners  :D
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: weave on November 17, 2019, 08:23:10 PM
Hi Chris,

Sort stuff out Monday, bit of work Tuesday and then Wednesday and Thursday to carry on with the railway. Sounds fantastic. You should start a political party, I'll tick YES  :D.

Seriously, it's good to get things done and get the mojo back or you get stuck in a rut and can't be bothered. Got my act together as well today so I've been gluing, cutting and spray painting. Good thing is you have to wait for things to set and dry so now writing and drinking  ;).

Looking forward to your progress and pics.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 17, 2019, 09:06:26 PM
Hi Chris,

Sort stuff out Monday, bit of work Tuesday and then Wednesday and Thursday to carry on with the railway. Sounds fantastic. You should start a political party, I'll tick YES  :D.

Seriously, it's good to get things done and get the mojo back or you get stuck in a rut and can't be bothered. Got my act together as well today so I've been gluing, cutting and spray painting. Good thing is you have to wait for things to set and dry so now writing and drinking  ;).

Looking forward to your progress and pics.

Cheers weave  :beers:

It's the good thing about working 12 1/2 hour shifts. 3 a week and I'm done! Plenty of time for overtime or project development as the spirit moves. Next Tuesday is my Hernia-repair op so I will be home on Wednesday then the rest of the week off to heal. I hope track-laying will be done during next week as a gentle and light-weight task. I ordered a new Razor-saw today in anticipation of this.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Train Waiting on November 18, 2019, 09:12:24 AM
Chris

I hope the operation goes well and you have a swift and pain free recovery.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 18, 2019, 09:16:11 AM
Chris

I hope the operation goes well and you have a swift and pain free recovery.

Best wishes.

John

Many thanks. It is only an inguinal hernia that I've had since the start of July but I live on 12 hourly Tramadol and it is a bit limiting. 'Tis a simple op so recovery should, indeed, be swift. Being a Nurse does give me the edge on how best to manage it all.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on November 18, 2019, 11:21:27 AM
I do hope your op goes well Chris.
Take care afterwards and donít rush about. Although as a nurse you know all that stuff.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Innovationgame on November 18, 2019, 02:48:15 PM
I do hope your op goes well Chris.
Take care afterwards and donít rush about. Although as a nurse you know all that stuff.
Hear, hear!
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: dannyboy on November 18, 2019, 03:03:17 PM
I hope the op' goes well for you Chris and recovery is quick and pain free (ish!). And don't forget, do as you are told ............by the Nurse.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 18, 2019, 03:40:57 PM
Very kind of you all. Thank you. Best thing is to take adequate pain relief and move/exercise gently within your own pain tolerance. This will stop damaged muscles etc. from locking up and being difficult to move. It goes for everything really, sprained ankles, hip/knee op, virtually all sporting/back injuries. The days of lying moribund on the sofa or in bed are history these days. Obviously monitor for any signs of infection and be gentle with oneself.

That's it really. A digression from the point of this forum but I thought it was well worth sharing as things befall us all. Especially in the perilous realms of layout-building!

Thanks once again for your kind comments. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: dannyboy on November 18, 2019, 03:46:03 PM
The days of lying moribund on the sofa or in bed are history these days.

Do not tell SWMBO!  ;)
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 18, 2019, 04:14:31 PM
The days of lying moribund on the sofa or in bed are history these days.

Do not tell SWMBO!  ;)

The advantages of being single and monastic - no SWMBO!  ;)

This is also good because my 4 coal hoppers just arrived. No awkward explaining to do. No extra chores. No nothing. Just grins from me.  :D

I do like my new Ford Ka Active.  8)

Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on November 18, 2019, 04:51:29 PM


It's the good thing about working 12 1/2 hour shifts. 3 a week and I'm done! Plenty of time for overtime or project development as the spirit moves. Next Tuesday is my Hernia-repair op so I will be home on Wednesday then the rest of the week off to heal.........I ordered a new Razor-saw today in anticipation of this.  :thumbsup:

Sorry Chris, couldnít resist doctoring your quote a little.
Iíd advise against operating on yourself  :D

Sorry....Iíll get my coat now.

Martin
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 18, 2019, 05:25:56 PM


It's the good thing about working 12 1/2 hour shifts. 3 a week and I'm done! Plenty of time for overtime or project development as the spirit moves. Next Tuesday is my Hernia-repair op so I will be home on Wednesday then the rest of the week off to heal.........I ordered a new Razor-saw today in anticipation of this.  :thumbsup:

Sorry Chris, couldnít resist doctoring your quote a little.
Iíd advise against operating on yourself  :D

Sorry....Iíll get my coat now.

Martin

Very clever Martin. Very clever.

To take the concept a bit further - I guess I left myself wide open for that one.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 23, 2019, 08:09:46 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/4141-231119195450.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84269)


Slow progress at present, but I have started filling the spaces between the stripwood which supports the trackbed with upholsterers' foam. I have also glued and screwed the first corner piece (bottom left) and am pleased with the result. I am hoping that the foam will reduce excess noise from running trains. Whether or not this is a success I have yet to find out. The 'knock' test has, so far, shown positive results - I knocked on the MDF over the foam and again over MDF which had no foam beneath and there was a noticeable muffling effect.

I have also managed to track down what has, so far, been an elusive Atlas Shay Logging loco and have placed an order. Hopefully that will arrive soon. A pic will follow in due course. My loco policy is to acquire, ASAP,  a list of particular types. The hit-list has included all the ones I have managed to find/buy so far and all that remains is an F7 in ATSF Red Warbonnet livery, An RS1 and an old time 4-4-0. I have located a source for the first 2 and will keep an eye out for the last one.

I intend to scratch-build bodies for RTR chassis but these will be mostly logging-style tank engines. I have schemes for a couple of Climaxes using Kato chassis and, hopefully, a Minaret saddle tank. I would love to achieve a Forney and, perhaps, a Porter but I will have to see. Then there is a plan for a 4-6-0 Camelback but let's get some progress on the actual layout first!

Hoping all are well.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: weave on November 23, 2019, 10:02:50 PM
Hi Chris,

Looking good. The best progress is always slow, I've rushed and regretted many a time.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in the last paragraph but just to say, still being a schoolboy at heart, that there are few fnarr fnarrs in there that might be commented upon as, surely, I can't be the only one  ;). It was the Forney and Porter after the Climaxes that got me  :). Sorry. I'll shut up now.

Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 24, 2019, 03:06:41 AM
OK weave. I hear you. Allow me to explain:



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/4141-241119023926.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84274)



This is a Shay. Typical US logging loco. Note the small wheels all of which are powered through the horizontal articulated drive-shaft running down the side. This shaft was driven by the rack of vertical pistons near the cab. This rack of pistons required the boiler to be offset to the left.



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/4141-241119024215.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84275)



Atlas' N Gauge rendering. The prototype pic at the top is of a '3 Truck' Shay - note the 'tender' behind the loco the wheels of which are also linked by the drive shaft.



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/4141-241119024410.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84276)



This is a Climax. Another typical US logging Loco. The main difference is the drive mechanism. The boiler is central as the drive mechanism is 2 pistons mounted 1 each side of the boiler but at about 45 degrees. A centrally-located drive shaft transmits power to the front and rear bogies. The simplicity of this mechanism lends the models well to being built on a Kato chassis due to the lack of that awfully complicated Shay drive shaft.

Climaxes came in various guises. Some looked like sheds with a wooden (or sometimes metal) shroud:



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/4141-241119024941.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84277)



This wooden-bodied example is typical of the other type of Climax I would like. Probably it will be built first as it is less fiddly due to the bodywork.

The 3rd type of US Logging loco was the Heisler. The difference again, being the drive mech. The notable difference being that the wheels in each bogey were joined by external connecting rods.

This is a Minaret as manufactured by ALCO:



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/4141-241119025330.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84278)



Albeit a model, I think it conveys the chunky saddle-tank look well. Some suitable 2-8-2 chassis will be needed.



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/4141-241119025502.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84279)



A Forney. Back in the days when railways were young, such locos would be found pulling suburban passenger trains even in such metropoli as NYC!



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/4141-241119025712.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84280)


This is Porter. cute little saddle tank. Again, a model but the best pic I could find.



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/4141-241119030016.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84281)


Finally, an example of a Camelback, so-called because the cab is on top of the boiler. This gave great views for the driver but did put him at risk in the event of a boiler failure. This is why they were, ultimately, banned. The fireman had to put up with a tiny shelter at the rear of the boiler. Once, these were common and various wheel-arrangements were to be found.

An interesting list of potential projects. I have a Kato B-B chassis in stock which will form the basis of my first Climax. There is a kit available from the US but it is expensive and being a model of the wooden-shed variety, lends itself well to a scratchbuild. I have built bodies for N Gauge locos out of brass before and found it a lot of fun. Perhaps I may even take of pic of my GCR C13 4-4-2T which I built at the turn-of-the-millennium. Maybe  ;)
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Innovationgame on November 24, 2019, 06:37:24 AM
Thanks for the interesting exposť.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 24, 2019, 07:45:09 AM
Thanks for the interesting exposť.

My pleasure good sir! We're here to share aren't we?

Now I expect you all to study those pics and revise them.

I will be testing you all later!  :D
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 24, 2019, 07:48:33 AM

PS I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in the last paragraph but just to say, still being a schoolboy at heart, that there are few fnarr fnarrs in there that might be commented upon as, surely, I can't be the only one  ;). It was the Forney and Porter after the Climaxes that got me  :). Sorry. I'll shut up now.

OK weave. I get the fnarr fnarrs now I've read it through again. So if I try a Camelback Forney with a Porter in a Minaret do I end up with a couple of Climaxes? Good Lord!

You dirty little beast! :goggleeyes:

 :D
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 24, 2019, 02:45:43 PM
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign:
  Thanks Chris all very interesting, hope the op goes well
      regards Derek
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: maridunian on November 24, 2019, 03:34:15 PM
Hi Chris - was fascinated to encounter a Shay at the BC Forest Discovery Centre in Duncan, British Columbia this summer. Never seen anything quite like it!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/2947-241119151827-842682097.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/2947-241119151841-842891200.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/2947-241119152521.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/2947-241119151913-842911451.jpeg)

More info on  Wikipedia  (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BC_Forest_Discovery_Centre)

Mike
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 24, 2019, 05:14:47 PM
Thanks @maridunian (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2947). They are rather unconventional. Suited to low-speed high-traction running up impossible grades and round equally impossible corners. Thankfully Atlas have done all the hard work for me! Interesting and useful pics.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 27, 2019, 12:02:29 AM
Although nothing to do with the purpose of this forum, I thought that as people had so kindly wished me all the best for my op, I can gladly report that I am now convalescing at my Sister's house until tomorrow afternoon. All has been grand. This is now the beginning of the up and up and I am looking forward to mending and getting on things - like the MQR!

Just an aside (of an aside) which MIGHT amuse someone and demonstrate my personal philosophy that "half a joke is better than no joke at all" I share this event from this morning.

I was seen very swiftly by an array of staff to check me in etc. They all asked me the same questions - name, date-of-birth, any allergies etc. The usual. Anyway, during the last staff member's questions, another nurse came into the assessment room and said," He needs to go to theatre now, they are really desperate to start".

I replied," Oh so it's an all-female surgical team then?".

They shook their heads in what looked like pity.

Seems fair enough to me.  :(
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 27, 2019, 10:47:46 AM
As a tonic to my bruised and tender soul I have just heard that my Shay is (poetically) on its way. I bought it from a Harrow-based company called N Scale American Trains and have to say I am already impressed with the service. I originally ordered a painted but unlettered version but received an email saying that during testing the loco was running fine in reverse but stuttered a lot when going forwards. Would I like the shop owner to continue running it in to see if that resolved the issue or would I like to choose a different version? I chose the latter and an 'East Side Logging' Shay is (again, poetically) on its way.

Perhaps this kind of thing is usual but I thought I share. Nice and considerate chap, I thought.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: dannyboy on November 27, 2019, 11:06:37 AM
Always nice to hear of good service.  :thumbsup: I'm sorry Chris, I did not realise your soul had been operated on. Hope the recovery is going well   :)
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Train Waiting on November 27, 2019, 04:27:52 PM
I bought it from a Harrow-based company called N Scale American Trains and have to say I am already impressed with the service.
Perhaps this kind of thing is usual but I thought I share. Nice and considerate chap, I thought.  :thumbsup:

I used this shop - Tony is the chap's name as I recall - a lot when modelling US 'N' scale a few years ago.  Very good service.  He used to run the 'N' scale part of a big US outline dealer in Slough.  It appeared to decide to go 'H0' only and he started up in Harrow.

I hope you have a speedy recovery.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on November 27, 2019, 04:54:01 PM
Hopefully your recovery proceeds perfectly well Chris.
Iím looking forward to further progress on MQR.

Martin
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 27, 2019, 08:35:34 PM
I bought it from a Harrow-based company called N Scale American Trains and have to say I am already impressed with the service.
Perhaps this kind of thing is usual but I thought I share. Nice and considerate chap, I thought.  :thumbsup:

I used this shop - Tony is the chap's name as I recall - a lot when modelling US 'N' scale a few years ago.  Very good service.  He used to run the 'N' scale part of a big US outline dealer in Slough.  It appeared to decide to go 'H0' only and he started up in Harrow.

I hope you have a speedy recovery.

Best wishes.

John

Yes, the shop in Slough. Its name escapes me but I did look on the website to see what it had and, indeed, it seemed to be all HO!

BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :veryangry:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: njee20 on November 27, 2019, 09:42:10 PM
Model Junction?
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Train Waiting on November 27, 2019, 10:08:30 PM
Yes; that's it.  Thank you.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 28, 2019, 04:48:10 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/4141-281119164400.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84470)

My Shay arrived today. Mine has a very slightly different paint job and has 'East Side Logging' on the bunker but the basic model is identical. I really love this little loco.

Funny isn't it but if one buys a tank engine in N Gauge one can open the box and think just how small it is. I look forward to getting on and providing my growing fleet with a 'playground'. At least I can walk normally now but bending and moving is unpleasant so I shall have to stick with building the New York Central on my laptop for the time being. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Train Waiting on November 28, 2019, 04:58:43 PM
I agree that the Shay is a very nice model.

If you like the New York Central, then a viewing of the first part of 'North by Northwest' is highly recommended.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on November 28, 2019, 06:00:13 PM
I will keep an eye out for that film. Thanks John.

I have noticed that I am, predictably, collecting not only locos from Bemo, Bachmann and Atlas but 2 different types of couplings. Even Bachmann uses both! There is the ELC-type coupling with which we are all so familiar and another one which I cannot for the life of me remember the name of but looks like a buckeye with a curved metal projection underneath. The pic of the model Shay shows the latter.

These latter couplings are expensive (almost £10.00 a pair) whereas the ELC type cost about the same for 20 pairs! I have decided to make the ELC type the standard on the MQR simply for cost considerations.

Now here is where I need to tap the knowledge of other members. Am I right in thinking that it's down to something called a standard NEM coupling attachment and I simply unplug one type of coupler and plug in the replacement? I see the plastic projections on the rear of the couplings in advertising pics with the little lugs poking out the sides. Just want to check.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 03, 2019, 11:36:18 AM
Just a blip of an update. Having got happy with prancing around the house with a new vacuum cleaner like a veritable domestic goddess (  :goggleeyes: ) yesterday I have just drilled and countersunk a decent number of holes in one of my trackbeds ready for attaching to the frames. There were no screams of anguish from me so I am happy that I can now get back to work on my own layout.

Yip yip! :bounce:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Innovationgame on December 03, 2019, 12:08:18 PM
Take it steady, Chris.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: maridunian on December 03, 2019, 01:18:05 PM
I have noticed that I am, predictably, collecting not only locos from Bemo, Bachmann and Atlas but 2 different types of couplings. Even Bachmann uses both! There is the ELC-type coupling with which we are all so familiar...


The generic name is Rapido, ELC being Peco's variant.

and another one which I cannot for the life of me remember the name of but looks like a buckeye with a curved metal projection underneath. The pic of the model Shay shows the latter.


These will be KayDees (KDs, geddit?)

These latter couplings are expensive (almost £10.00 a pair) whereas the ELC type cost about the same for 20 pairs! I have decided to make the ELC type the standard on the MQR simply for cost considerations.

Now here is where I need to tap the knowledge of other members. Am I right in thinking that it's down to something called a standard NEM coupling attachment and I simply unplug one type of coupler and plug in the replacement? I see the plastic projections on the rear of the couplings in advertising pics with the little lugs poking out the sides. Just want to check.

Possibly... Not all couplings attach to rolling stock using NEM fittings - depends on age of design and policies of maker.

Pragmatic fix is to have one wagon/coach with different couplings at each end!

Mike
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 03, 2019, 02:03:03 PM
KAYDEES!!!!! Thank you.

I also forgot about Rapido. Thank you again. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 07, 2019, 10:49:11 AM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/4141-071219101903.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84868)

I have had plenty of thinking time of late so I decided to work on the basic plan for Maen Station layout. I originally said that there would be no loco release crossover between the main platforms but then a better idea came along - as they do. From left to right we have:

1) A carriage siding. This will probably become 2 which will, most likely, be covered by a wooden shed to protect stored carriages from the ravages of the Cornish weather.

2) Platform 1 - a bay platform which terminates by the station building. The principle (but not exclusive) use for this bay is for the 3 car DMU shuttle to/from Truro.

3) Platform 2 - a main platform which can receive loco-hauled branch line trains. As the locos will be shorter, there is a loco release crossover.

4) The Centre Road. This allows locos from Platform 2 to run round or escape their trains. The short siding that comes off the bottom will be the refuge for the station pilot.

5) Platform 3 - the main platform for receiving trains that have longer locos which will be too long for the head-shunt in platform 2. Station pilot-release will be used here as I will explain in a moment.

To the right of this plan will be the MPD for tender locos. Inside the triangle you will see an arrow pointing to a 2nd MPD which will serve tank locos as they do not need to turn on the triangle.

The operating plan for this station is that when a train arrives in Platform 3 the pilot will move from its refuge to the right chord of the triangle, attach itself to the rear carriage and pull the train along the right chord. The train loco will reverse up the left chord until it clears the top point, then move forwards along the top chord then stop. The pilot will then propel the train into Platform 3, uncouple and return to its centre road refuge. The train loco will then clear the top right hand point of the triangle and, now turned round, can either reverse onto the train for another journey or reverse into the main MPD.

This scheme makes far more logical sense to my mind and gives greater flexibility. The MPDs will be finalized when I have a more accurate idea of the space available but I have some ideas. It's a case of trying to fit a Diesel stabling point, steam shed with enough space to house the steamers and Coal/Water/Ash facilities into a sensible plan.

I have been a bit busy of late but have managed to screw down another section of track bed this morning. My goal is to complete this process on the 4 foot board today which, to be honest, is not a major task. I will post some pics in due course.

Seasons greetings to all! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 07, 2019, 06:50:48 PM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/4141-071219184433.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84885)

Well, I have achieved my goal for this afternoon. Track-beds attached with the gap at the bottom left for a short embankment which will contain a culvert for the upstream end of the, um,  stream which actually runs through the prototype location. A similar arrangement, albeit slightly lower (obviously), will exist at the other end of the layout.

The lampshade in this room is one of those 'stringy sphere' things which is why the wood looks rather grainier and grander than the MDF it really is.  :'(

Didn't want anyone to think that I am so well-off that I am using seasoned oak or anything.

Now to do the left-hand 3 foot board, then fettling, then track-laying looms on the fast-approaching horizon. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Milton Rail on December 08, 2019, 10:14:57 AM

I do intend, however, that when I next visit Cornwall, I will stick my pack on my back and visit all of these places in person. A brace of good pics will help enormously. A visit to Constantine sounds like a great way to spend some time and, if I take Martin's (PP) advice and wander into the back room of the village store...................

I don't know why, but I had a sudden memory of Mr Benn when I read this  :)

Just caught up with all the comings and goings (and climaxes) of the MQR ... great progress so far Chris, and glad to hear you are back on the mend post op

I am sure that there can be an interchange of biomass (weave.... don't say it!) between Perthshire & MQR :)
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 09, 2019, 09:17:33 PM
And, as if by magic (see above), I have managed to attach some trackbeds on my 3 foot board today. Family gatherings-of-the-clans yesterday and an urgent need to do overdue housework has limited my progress a bit but so far so good. Hopefully, this part of proceedings will be done over the next day or so.

Whilst vacuuming the rug in front of my sofa today I saw a tiny glint of silver. It turned out to be a Peco N Gauge fishplate which had dropped there recently when I was trying out track arrangements on my living room floor. "I'll be needing that soon", I thought. :)
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 11, 2019, 06:48:17 PM
2 more trackbed sections attached today with the last piece cut to size. I need to cut the foam to fill the void between the support frame then I can glue/screw this last piece on.

My place of work requires my presence tomorrow but I hope this last piece will be in place on Friday.

Seasons greetings to all.  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 11, 2019, 08:49:02 PM
 :hellosign:
  Thanks for the latest updates Chris, looking forward to seeing more
  Merry Christmas to you and yours
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 16, 2019, 03:46:24 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/4141-161219154312.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85161)

At last, the last piece of trackbed is in place. As with the 4 foot board, the gap is for the stream, this time it will be the downstream end.

I can now trial-fit the 2 boards together. I have used MDF strips to act as interlocks between the boards instead of Pattern-makers dowels as this isn't a layout which will be taken apart very often.

Now to test how well they work!  :worried:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Milton Rail on December 16, 2019, 04:54:04 PM
Looking good on the MQR  :beers:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 16, 2019, 05:03:33 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/4141-161219165848.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85162)

This is the 2 boards joined for the very first time. Almost perfect. There is a 2mm gap but I can do some sanding to eliminate this. The levels are perfect which will help hugely with track-alignment across the join.

The difference in width seen on the left-hand side is where the turning-triangle board will interface. This will 'fill the gap' and allow a 90 degree crossing of the track.

Onwards and upwards. Tally-ho. To infinity and beyond etc. etc. etc. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Train Waiting on December 17, 2019, 09:11:43 AM
That looks excellent, Chris: proper job!

Well worth taking your approach and getting the baseboard right.  Most other things can be altered, adjusted and reworked as one goes along but not the baseboard.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 20, 2019, 01:58:46 AM
I have found the source of my baseboard gap. Sadly, the stripwood I used for the frame was straight as an arrow when stored under cover, but outside, at my local B&Q. It seems that, once in the nice warm environment of my house, some lengths adopted a very slight curve. This is a bit annoying I must say. Anyway, one length that I used as the frame where the 2 boards join had curved just enough to upset my carefully planned interlocking and has the unwanted effect of pushing the 2 boards 2mm apart.

BAAAA HUMBUG - just to keep this seasonal.

Thankfully, sanding down the interlocking strips of MDF will cure this. I got most of it done today so, hopefully, the problem will be resolved soon and the next stages can proceed. As John @Train Waiting (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6222) says above, one can't fudge the baseboards. It would be the foundations of much future angst, tragedy and cussing methinks.

When I watch TV documentaries like 'Impossible Railways' and ponder the engineering challenges the railway builders of past and present face/d I think "You woosies! You have NO idea the hardships I am dealing with! :veryangry:"

And I haven't even laid a single length of track yet.  :-[
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Milton Rail on December 20, 2019, 07:57:13 AM
You are making good progress though, think of the satisfied feeling that will come when you finally start laying track on super flat baseboards  :beers:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 20, 2019, 07:51:26 PM
You are making good progress though, think of the satisfied feeling that will come when you finally start laying track on super flat baseboards  :beers:

Thanks Andrew. In the past I have found that problems can creep in unnoticed which get found too late. I can't rule it out but making best efforts now should make my subsequent journey easier. I have done a bit more sanding today and am getting close to sorting things out. Then the bit I tend to enjoy the most can commence - what's ON the baseboard!

If my cunning plans work out I may get to visit and photograph the actual site in Cornwall next week. Otherwise I will definitely go there in February. A jolly I look forward to.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 22, 2019, 03:13:39 AM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/4141-221219030719.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85303)

Just found this pic of part of Delabole Quarry in North Cornwall. It was historically served by the LSWR/Southern Railway/Southern Region of BR on the route to Wadebridge and Padstow. This latter station only, of course, is Penmayne ( @Chris in Prague (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2895)) in our NGF world.

Although it is mostly for Cornish Slate production it is much as I envisage the Maen Quarry would look in my proposed layout. This pic will make a useful reference for me when I get into the scenic development.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 22, 2019, 04:31:17 AM
Well my giddy Aunt, stap me vitals, shiver me timbers etc. I have been doing some research into the location for my MQR. Not only do I learn that Maen is pronounced Men (not Main as I originally believed) and is Cornish/Gaelic for Stone (Dolmen, Menhir?) but that there really was a Maen Quarry in Cornwall. Pics can be found online. Not only that but it was close to the village of Constantine and appears, so far, to BE IN EXACTLY THE SAME LOCATION!!!

I chose the name for my layout due to the recurring name Maen in a couple of local farms and a reference to Maen Toll. This, I learn, was a long-destroyed standing stone which was located nearby. It just seemed like a sensible name. I didn't realise I had, perchance, accidentally hit on the RIGHT name.

How very strange! I really do want to try to visit the site next week as I am spending the Christmas days in Cornwall. It will only be a flying visit but I would love to get to explore. Google maps is great but not the same as an onsite visit.

The plot thickens.............................................. :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Newportnobby on December 22, 2019, 09:40:44 AM
I've alerted Mulder and Scully. They just await your call.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Milton Rail on December 22, 2019, 09:58:16 AM
Maen alive! That is a serious plot twist, but a lovely case of serendipty or is it happenstance .... either way, two great under used words in the same post  :beers:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrism on December 22, 2019, 10:17:36 AM
Well my giddy Aunt, stap me vitals, shiver me timbers etc. I have been doing some research into the location for my MQR. Not only do I learn that Maen is pronounced Men (not Main as I originally believed) and is Cornish/Gaelic for Stone (Dolmen, Menhir?)

It's not Gaelic, it's Celtic - generally Cornish, as you've found, Welsh and Breton.

Quote
but that there really was a Maen Quarry in Cornwall. Pics can be found online. Not only that but it was close to the village of Constantine and appears, so far, to BE IN EXACTLY THE SAME LOCATION!!!

Spooky or what?
 :uneasy:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: dannyboy on December 22, 2019, 12:38:57 PM
Maybe you have been there in a previous life ...........  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 22, 2019, 01:26:56 PM
 :hellosign:
  All very interesting Chris, I drive around the area when working out of Helston depot. If you need more research check out the Royal Cornwall Museum website, photos from 1900s of Cornish Quarries.
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 22, 2019, 05:12:05 PM

It's not Gaelic, it's Celtic - generally Cornish, as you've found, Welsh and Breton


Thanks Chris. You are right. It was in the very wee small hours and I didn't get the word Celtic in my addled mind when typing the post. I busked it - badly.  :-[
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 22, 2019, 06:01:20 PM
I can now confirm ABSOLUTELY that what I have named Maen Quarry is, in fact, the real Maen Quarry of old. I made a note of the Longitude and Latitude last night and sticking the cursor over the quarry in Google Earth matches the co-ordinates precisely.

What an incredible episode! A seemingly random but logical choice of name turns out to be correct.

Now to try the same approach with the Holy Grail and the Ark of the Covenant.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 22, 2019, 10:37:07 PM
:hellosign:
  All very interesting Chris, I drive around the area when working out of Helston depot. If you need more research check out the Royal Cornwall Museum website, photos from 1900s of Cornish Quarries.
      regards Derek.

Indeed Derek. These have been the very same pics I found last night. They are marvellous pics.

It's funny but when I type "Maen Quarry" into my Google search engine there are references and pics which can be traced to a certain 'N Gauge Forum'. It seems some fruit-cake is trying to build a layout based on the place. The pics are awfully familiar.

It seems as if i have 'gone public'! :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: weave on December 23, 2019, 12:22:27 AM
Hi chris,

It's a frightening world out there regarding the internet. I've also Googled stuff and my pictures have come up. Bit shocked at first.

Don't know if I should be worried  :worried:. I suppose that's life.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS Don't Google mankini weave Magaluf 1988  ;)  :D  :no:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 23, 2019, 03:24:21 AM
Just because I like sharing random things I discover, I learn from erudite online sources that a UP Big Boy could negotiate a minimum radius curve of 250m (20%) which should be around 20 inches in N Gauge.

Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Innovationgame on December 23, 2019, 06:44:56 AM
Just because I like sharing random things I discover, I learn from erudite online sources that a UP Big Boy could negotiate a minimum radius curve of 250m (20%) which should be around 20 inches in N Gauge.
I think N scale is about 150:1 so 250m equates to 1.67m in N gauge, or about 64 inches.  I stand to be corrected, of course.  Or was it 250ft, which is more like 20 inches?

Happy Christmas, by the way
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrism on December 23, 2019, 06:50:19 AM
It's funny but when I type "Maen Quarry" into my Google search engine there are references and pics which can be traced to a certain 'N Gauge Forum'. It seems some fruit-cake is trying to build a layout based on the place. The pics are awfully familiar.

It seems as if i have 'gone public'! :goggleeyes:

I've found that with mine too - unfortunately the first of mine that comes up for Coniston is the very first pic I posted, bare boards, track and a rat's nest of wires. It's a long way down the results before any come up of the model in a more complete stage  :(
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 23, 2019, 07:13:33 AM
Just because I like sharing random things I discover, I learn from erudite online sources that a UP Big Boy could negotiate a minimum radius curve of 250m (20%) which should be around 20 inches in N Gauge.
I think N scale is about 150:1 so 250m equates to 1.67m in N gauge, or about 64 inches.  I stand to be corrected, of course.  Or was it 250ft, which is more like 20 inches?


Site said 40inch radius in HO ergo my halving that for N. 20 inches is 500mm so, at 2mm/ft that would be 250feet which means you are right. I will go back to said web site and check their info again. Thanks Laurence and a very Merry Christmas to you and yours too! :wave:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Milton Rail on December 23, 2019, 07:23:11 AM

An un-nerving online eye opener for you!  I have just about managed to purge google from my online toolkit, preferring to use DuckDuckGo as they are a lot less intrusive and don't track your every online move like google (I was a bit sceptical at first, but it does seem to be proving true).  you were hit number 3 & 4 in the listings there too! But not in the images section couldn't see any of your neat baseboards on there, but lots and lots of lovely quarry pics and rusting relics

Thanks for all your entertaining updates and hope you & yours have a lovely festive period   :beers:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 27, 2019, 05:09:41 PM
Well I have just got home. 7 hours for a normally 4 hour journey. Traffic very hefty on the M5 & M4. Anyway, a lovely little Christmas visit to see my dear Mother. :beers:

I did try to get to the real Maen Quarry but it really had become the Maen Quagmire due to all the recent Cornish rain. Bridle paths etc. are plentiful but these involve following field boundaries and the grass stuck up out of mud and water. I saw from afar so have a feel for the area but not the quarry itself and, alas, no pics.  :'(

I did get to stand roughly were my Maen Station would be and dreamed of wisps of white smoke and steam drifting from the chimney of an ATSF 2-8-8-2 but that, I'm afraid, is as far as I got. I will return in February to see if I can get there then.

On a brighter note, I remembered Martin's ( @port perran (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230) ) advice and visited Constantine. The back room of the village shop really is a haven for many many bottles of the Devil's Wee. I don't think I've ever seen so many different types of Whiskey, Rum etc. in one place.

I, however, left with a Christmas card for my Mother and a tube of Sour Cream 'n' Onion Pringles. :angel:

Not all was lost. Hope everyone had a lovely Christmas.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: port perran on December 27, 2019, 05:16:35 PM
Being a collector of single malts, I have to limit my visits to Constantine stores (even though itís only about 10 miles away).
Glad you made it to have a peek though.
Itís the most unusual village store I know.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 27, 2019, 06:43:45 PM
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/4141-221219030719.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85303)

Just found this pic of part of Delabole Quarry in North Cornwall. It was historically served by the LSWR/Southern Railway/Southern Region of BR on the route to Wadebridge and Padstow. This latter station only, of course, is Penmayne ( @Chris in Prague (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2895)) in our NGF world.

Although it is mostly for Cornish Slate production it is much as I envisage the Maen Quarry would look in my proposed layout. This pic will make a useful reference for me when I get into the scenic development.

That certainly is an interesting coincidence. Delabole Quarry is very deep and wide.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: jpendle on December 27, 2019, 09:38:57 PM
Just because I like sharing random things I discover, I learn from erudite online sources that a UP Big Boy could negotiate a minimum radius curve of 250m (20%) which should be around 20 inches in N Gauge.
I think N scale is about 150:1 so 250m equates to 1.67m in N gauge, or about 64 inches.  I stand to be corrected, of course.  Or was it 250ft, which is more like 20 inches?

Happy Christmas, by the way

Merry Christmas and prepare to stand.  ;)

US and European N Scale is 1:160, Japanese is 1:150, and the good old UK has 1:148.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 29, 2019, 06:17:01 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/4141-291219181408.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85542)

I have trail-fitted the boards today and the gap has truly shrunk. It appears that the trackbeds are the prime source of any remaining gap now so I will fettle these when the next chance comes although this won't be until next weekend.

To misquote Elton John," I'm still sanding, yeah, yeah, yeah."  :'(
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 29, 2019, 09:56:11 PM
Just because I like sharing random things I discover, I learn from erudite online sources that a UP Big Boy could negotiate a minimum radius curve of 250m (20%) which should be around 20 inches in N Gauge.
I think N scale is about 150:1 so 250m equates to 1.67m in N gauge, or about 64 inches.  I stand to be corrected, of course.  Or was it 250ft, which is more like 20 inches?


Site said 40inch radius in HO ergo my halving that for N. 20 inches is 500mm so, at 2mm/ft that would be 250feet which means you are right. I will go back to said web site and check their info again. Thanks Laurence and a very Merry Christmas to you and yours too! :wave:

Just to briefly return to this, I don't know why the site I originally got this info from put it this way but I doubt very much that a Big Boy could get round a curve of less than 250m. Therefore, a curve in N gauge of about 5 feet would be right. The prototype curve that stands at the south end of Bury Bolton Street on the East Lancs Railway is roughly 200m radius from memory of measuring it on Google Earth and I think that could be a little too tight. 250ft would be outrageous. Thank you Laurence for bothering to check the maths!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Innovationgame on December 30, 2019, 06:23:15 AM
Just to return to this briefly, 250m would be about 12 chains in railway terms.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 31, 2019, 11:45:58 AM
I can happily report that I have now sanded the boards so that they fit flush together. Not worth another pic as it would look very much like the last one - just the dark line having gone.

Tonight is the first of 4 night shifts so not much will happen until they are over but I can now start contemplating track-laying. I have already got circuit-boarding in stock for where track will cross board joins and some cork strip. This latter, I fear, is going to be a pain to lay around curves but judicious cutting should sort this out. Better to have the option of having a ballast-shoulder than not I guess.

Anyway, a very Happy New Year's Eve to all. May 2020 be happy and healthy and stuffed full of progress and development on all fronts!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 31, 2019, 11:57:56 AM
 :claphappy: GOOD NEWS @chrispearce (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4141)

Not about the night shifts but......

I ordered some cork roll courtesy of a link @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) put up a while back, typically this got lost in transit by DPD so in my desperation to get laying I went to a local flooring warehouse. 2mm cork roll, 1m high by 10m long!!!!! MASSIVE and only cost me £25 in paper notes without a receipt  :-[ it was 3pm on a sunday!!!! Anyway even though we dont have many curves on ours it was brilliant to cut 9inch sections off the roll and run a Sharpie up the sleeper ends to give me my line to cut to get the radius and then place the next but to it, trim the joints to be tight and go again!

Many would suggest 2 thin strips side by side but I might waste a bit of mine but when it's that big I dont think that's too much of a drama.

4nights of slog should give you a couple of days to play I mean track lay!!!!

Happy New year to you and your family!!!!!
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 31, 2019, 02:22:50 PM
 :hellosign:
   All the best for 2020 Chris, looking forward to seeing more from the MQR.
         :beers:.   regards Derek
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on December 31, 2019, 05:22:55 PM
Thanks @exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099) for a simple but good idea. I have just sent off for some flat sheets of 2mm cork which will make tighter curves less of a pain. I've got Peco 3rd and 4th radius set track curves to use as templates which will then make good guides for subsequent flexi-track laying. I'll use the cork strip for straighter sections of track.

Why make life hard for oneself? :thumbsup:

Thanks also @cornish yorkie (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=4216) I will try to keep the updates coming at a regular rate!

Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on January 07, 2020, 08:43:20 AM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/4141-070120083628.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85839)

As I am tied up with regular and over-time night shifts at the moment, I haven't had a chance to work on the layout this last week. However, I managed to secure this little red beastie for £5.00 from Ebay yesterday. Should make for a good logging 'crummie' (as lumber RR caboose (cabeese?) were known) for my Shay. :thumbsup:

At such point as I can dispense with the heavy sunblock ( >:D) and return to the land of the day-walker ( :D) I will get back to making progress.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on January 15, 2020, 10:40:40 PM
Well, here I am am doing MORE nights. I haven't got near the MQR since before Christmas. That will change over the coming days/weeks and progress reports will recommence.

However, for the fun of it, due to doing some much-needed garden work which has, so far, involved felling 2 trees (I must be feeling better!) and pondering that SM32 Edrig live steamer that sits on top of the book shelf overlooking the MQR baseboards, I have begun planning a small garden railway. I haven't used Edrig since I bought him over 10 years ago and feel it is such a waste. I await a servo so I can rig up a remote control for his regulator and experiment madly on sunny days.

He is a bit overscale for an N Gauge Forum so, if anything comes of this I will start a thread in the General section.

Anyway, hoping all are well.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: weave on January 15, 2020, 10:56:26 PM
Hi Chris,

Excellent news. I would love to do a garden railway but considering I am a Landscape Gardener for a living but don't really do any gardening at home as I can't be whatevered I don't think the powers that be would allow it.

I could persuade her that if it was built I would keep the garden in tip top condition but I'm just kidding myself so looking forward to your future developments. I'll live the dream through you.

Looking forward to your N gauge progress too.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on January 15, 2020, 11:12:50 PM
... considering I am a Landscape Gardener for a living ...

But it's you guys who build the best garden railways - the walls, rockeries, ponds with waterfalls etc. My current plan is to use seasoned timber planking on suitable uprights so everything can be disassembled/changed with ease. No major ground works. I am NOT a professional landscape gardener!  More of an enthusiastic amateur.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: weave on January 15, 2020, 11:33:27 PM
Hi Chris,

I didn't say I was a good Landscape Gardener  :D.

Am only 30 miles south of Reading so if you ever need a hand in the Spring/Summer so I can come and have a nose I'd be up for it.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on February 03, 2020, 12:45:12 AM
Just to say "Hi all". I am doing every overtime night shift the Lord sends so have had no time for actual building of anything. The MQR needs work rather than pennies at this stage of its development and time I, sadly, do not have. I will get back to it ASAP however. I am contemplating a pair of fishing waders from Ebay so I can triumph over the muddy ground leading to the real Maen Quarry when I visit Cornwall at the end of February and get some pics.

On a different note, I have been putting the fruits of my extra shifts to good use by amassing track/etc. for that 'other project'. It has triggered a plan for a makeover of my garden which I will be able to start come the sunnier/drier months from April onwards so, while I await brighter times when outdoor work is doable, I will continue to stock-pile the bits I need. Leaping from planning in 2mm Standard gauge to 16mm Narrow gauge and back is quite a mental challenge I must say! :goggleeyes:

Wonderful updates from everyone on their own projects and hoping all are well.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 03, 2020, 08:08:29 AM
Thanks for the update, Chris. I fully understand; I also have very limited free time but do have a budget to buy items for my layout.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Milton Rail on February 03, 2020, 01:12:24 PM
Good to hear from you Chris, and know the issue of work getting in the way of modelling all too well .... I seem to get my mojo back once I am back at work and there is a couple of hundred miles between me & the layout!  But my stint offshore is at an end tomorrow and I will get 5 weeks off to split between railway and garden ... as well as a vist to Model Rail, Glasgow where I am uber excited at the prospect of seing the Bridge at Remagen in person     :drool:

We seem to share a secret too, I have been quietly amassing G gauge track & points too .....  I am hoping to replace one of the several ageing outbuildings at home, and thinking that I will be able to hide a "wee" layout behind it ... if I tell Mrs Milton that there is a big hoard of spiders back there, she won't venture  ... so far I have only got a L'il Critter shunter in (you guessed it) BP livery + a caboose & tanker go with it.
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 03, 2020, 07:58:57 PM
Just to say "Hi all". I am doing every overtime night shift the Lord sends so have had no time for actual building of anything. The MQR needs work rather than pennies at this stage of its development and time I, sadly, do not have. I will get back to it ASAP however. I am contemplating a pair of fishing waders from Ebay so I can triumph over the muddy ground leading to the real Maen Quarry when I visit Cornwall at the end of February and get some pics.

On a different note, I have been putting the fruits of my extra shifts to good use by amassing track/etc. for that 'other project'. It has triggered a plan for a makeover of my garden which I will be able to start come the sunnier/drier months from April onwards so, while I await brighter times when outdoor work is doable, I will continue to stock-pile the bits I need. Leaping from planning in 2mm Standard gauge to 16mm Narrow gauge and back is quite a mental challenge I must say! :goggleeyes:

Wonderful updates from everyone on their own projects and hoping all are well.  :thumbsup:
   :hellosign:
    Know the feeling well Chris far too much time for work, but & a big BUT no work no money for trains.
    Best of luck for your visit to Cornwall, the rain must stop sooner or later & looking forward to updates when you can.
       regards Derek.   










Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on February 04, 2020, 12:50:33 AM
Cheers chaps. Plans are coming along nicely. I wish to build 3 foot high raised garden beds out of treated wood on top of which the railway will be built. This will allow indulgence in miniature conifers and other small plants which appeals to me and will 'get me out of the house' without troubling my local community. The plan is pretty simple - a continuous run feeding, via a triangle, a small terminus station. Sound familiar? Not unlike the basic concept for the MQR. I'll use Peco SM32 set track points and 38" radius curves and flexitrack for the rest. I HIGHLY recommend Track Shack for amazing prices and speedy service for those interested.

The railway will draw inspiration from the Corris Railway and Glyn Valley Tramway (I ordered a kit for an electric GVT tram yesterday from PDF Models) but will be imbued with 'the spirit of the Craig and Mertonford Light Railway' - P.D.Hancock's 4mm scale Narrow Gauge wonder.

I look forward to all those shadows and natural sunlight along with the acrid whiff of oily steam emanating from my Accucraft Edrig which, frankly, needs somewhere to run.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Train Waiting on February 04, 2020, 09:05:39 AM
The railway will draw inspiration from the Corris Railway and Glyn Valley Tramway (I ordered a kit for an electric GVT tram yesterday from PDF Models) but will be imbued with 'the spirit of the Craig and Mertonford Light Railway' - P.D.Hancock's 4mm scale Narrow Gauge wonder.

Lovely to see you mention Craigshire, Chris.  I think this was the first model railway to have its own cast of characters, an approach taken up to good effect by Iain Rice and adopted by some members of our Forum.

The Railway Modeller has had quite a few interesting snippets of late about 'PDH' and his work.

If you are interested in reading about The Craig and Mertonfield Light Railway in the builder's own words, I have a copy of Narrow Gauge Adventure by PD Hancock, (Peco, 1975, SBN 900586 44 3) which you are welcome to borrow if you don't have a copy.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: chrispearce on February 04, 2020, 04:58:16 PM

If you are interested in reading about The Craig and Mertonfield Light Railway in the builder's own words, I have a copy of Narrow Gauge Adventure by PD Hancock, (Peco, 1975, SBN 900586 44 3) which you are welcome to borrow if you don't have a copy.


I borrowed this book as a very young man from the Bristol Library and was a bit baffled as to whether it was about a REAL railway. I had only really seen Hornby catalogue-style train sets up until that time and the landscape and monochrome pics were all rather wonderful. When I was in my early 20s I found myself remembering this happy book and got a copy direct from Peco. I am using it as a reference right now! Slater's do a George England Ffestiniog saddle tank kit (ala Angus) and Accucraft do Yeo/Taw/Exe (ala Alistair) but this latter costs in the region of £1,800.00!

The layout may actually end up somewhere in Scotland as one of those disconnected-from-the-rest-of-the-national-network lines which runs between quarries/mines and the side of a Loch but I'll see how it all goes.

Many thanks for your very kind offer though!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: THE MAEN QUARRY RAILWAY (CORNWALL)
Post by: Train Waiting on February 04, 2020, 06:39:35 PM
I had only really seen Hornby catalogue-style train sets up until that time...

Ah yes; my kind of thing!

Best wishes.

John
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