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Title: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 09, 2018, 09:02:45 PM
Hello,

A short while ago I felt the itch to get back into the man cave after a summer of camping, fishing and the usual outdoorsy stuffy that keeps me out of the garage. My ďmainĒ layout (Clouds Hill) had not survived the hot summer/cold winter so itís back to the drawing board for that oneÖ.. However; there was a project at the back of my mind that had never even made it onto paper as a scribble. Being a bit of a hoarder/collector I had saved an old wooden bread bin from near certain death during a visit to see family last year some time. It was nothing special but I said ďIíll have that - Iíll do something with itĒ and itís been under my desk with a multitude of other impulsive salvages ever since.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6379-091018204545.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69919)

As I sulked and pondered my next move with the layout I thought that the bread bin idea would offer the chance to get back modelling after a good few months of inactivity and allow me to procrastinate and ignore the main layout until I had the proper inclination to get it down off ďthe shelfĒ and properly plan itís recovery. Also, with it being a micro-layout it may even give me the opportunity to finish a project!
Apologise in advance to those that have seen and contributed to my many threads dotted around the forum in recent weeks; some pics and descriptions may be duplicated here but I wanted to bring everything together now that the build is underway and gathering pace.
So the layout measures 360mm wide by 245mm deep (14Ē x 9 ĹĒ for those who are that way inclined). There is also the obvious height restriction which varies because of the curved shape. I had a few simple ďgoalsĒ for the layout;

It should have a roundy-roundy loop;
Iíd like some form of operational ability (I want to play trains!);
It will be a night scene with lighting built into the layout (possibly activated by the lid);
The bread bin must not look any different from the outside with the lid down;
ďRule 1Ē applies. Not limited to an era or geographical accuracy (Itís just a bit of fun);

I also stated on the planning thread that Iíd like it to be battery powered but on further thought for both space and cost reasons; I will now be mains powered. After a few simple plans both scribbled and in CAD I decided on a simple loop with a turnout sending deliveries into the middle of the loop to the bread factory (it just had to be didnít it).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6379-091018204658.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69920)

Progress so far;

The slats have been removed and primed for painting. This also gives me more room to work.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6379-091018204820.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69921)

I have had a little play with night sky colours but nothing is decided yet.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6379-091018204934.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69922)

The bin itself is primed

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6379-091018205049.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69923)

The baseboard is primed, painted and has the turnout fitted. Because of height restrictions I kept it as thin as I dared and also had to fit the turnout directly to the track which was a first for me (in fact turnouts are a first and so too is Peco track. Iíve only used Kato Unitrack before this project).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6379-091018205211.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69924)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6379-091018205330.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69925)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6379-091018205419.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69926)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6379-091018205521.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69927)

As you can see from the pic above I have gone for the metcalfe small factory as the ďcentre-pieceĒ. I have modified building B to look more like the company offices than a warehouse and have been playing with lighting. Itís my first try at building kits so itís taken a while and Iíve made a few mistakes but hopefully nothing to noticeable (if you do notice anything then please donít tell me  :-X )   

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6379-091018205643.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69928)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6379-091018205901.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69929)

Today I mocked up the loop on a temporary baseboard to test the loco and rolling stock when they arrive later this week. This seems a bit frivolous but thatís the beauty of a micro layout I guess. Reading lots of other micro-layout threads and taking advice from those that know I wanted to be 100% sure of the loco running well on the tight curves and check clearances before committing to the final track position. My little non-powered caboose runs nicely around it so thatís a good sign!   

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6379-091018205959.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69930)

There will be a tunnel providing a scenic break on the left hand side. The current plan is to have low relief industrial buildings along the back to hide the back section of the loop but Iím still undecided on the right hand side. I like the idea of a level crossing providing access to the factory yard/employee entrance but Iím not sure yet how to make the track ďdisappearĒ before going behind the buildings along the backÖÖ Iím still planning as I go so any suggestions/advice would be very welcome.

If youíre still reading then thank you for staying with me. If Iíve missed anything then Iíll edit or add it later. Iím looking forward to the scenic elements and the electrics as again itís all new on this level for me. So far itís been good fun so I hope it continues that way. The layout planning thread opened the flood gates for bread puns so please feel free to add to the many already used. The ďGold HillĒ title is also subject to change if anybody has any ideas. I do like it as a title as it fits with my ďClouds HillĒ layout and the bread/Hovis theme but itís bugging me a little that thereís no hill on the layout (although I know it really doesnít matter!)ÖÖ

Thanks for reading!

Paul
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 09, 2018, 09:10:09 PM
I forgot to mention the front edge of the baseboard which is exposed in the pics above. I have already broken one of my rules... but only very slightly and only the most eagle-eyed of bread bin aficionado's will notice it. The bottom slat with the handle will be bumped up one and one slat will remain fixed at the bottom to cover the front edge of the baseboard.....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6379-091018210850.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69933)

phew... i think that's everything. I must remember to start these threads earlier in the build in future so I don't have so much essay-style catching up to do!  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Innovationgame on October 10, 2018, 07:12:12 AM
That's a very ingenious solution! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 10, 2018, 07:26:49 AM
Very interesting!

I will keenly follow your progress. As you say, modelling at this size allows you to try things out.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: weave on October 10, 2018, 08:40:45 AM
Hi Paul,

Looking good and glad you're having fun.

Also glad you've started in the construction thread. I've had to chase many a layout from hello to planning to design and then found them months even years later in construction.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: AlexanderJesse on October 10, 2018, 10:00:50 AM
Scenic break: not a level crossing, but a road bridge coming from the back, towards the front. No need to get it down to the floor.... might be a raised level terminal in the factory. Adding a a medium/high building just behind the bridge on the inside of the oval... and the train is hidden as soon as he passes below the bridge.

Battery/mains: Just add one or more connectors to feed the power (one for the track, one for the point motor, one for each lamp,...) from the outside. Then you can decide later how you want to produce the power input. Maybe in a low box underneath the bread box... or even make to different boxes for the power (main and battery)...
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 10, 2018, 01:13:51 PM
The post lady came bearing gifts today!

My little eBay Arnold shunter and the rolling stock from Hattons;

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6379-101018130903.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69954)

I’m pleased to report that the train runs smoothly in both directions. It looks better running slower at 9v than 12v so I’ll have to remember that when planning the electrics.  8)

Next job is to lay the track on the main layout with the point fitted and hope it runs just as nicely!

The grain hopper is unpainted so all puns welcome for ideas of the company name.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: AlexanderJesse on October 10, 2018, 01:19:04 PM
"Golden grain train"

Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Phoenix on October 10, 2018, 01:31:52 PM
 :claphappy: Yay...... all is running well  :claphappy:

Great progress !

As far as electrics go, this is a great controller ......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG2LUOq2iTM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG2LUOq2iTM)

I have the twin controller ..... the receiver is small enough it could easily fit in one of your buildings, and the actual controller could be on the side of the bin, held with velcro, or in one of those pouches for tv remotes

All best wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: weave on October 10, 2018, 01:48:41 PM
GreyN SUPPLIES or THE GreyN COMPANY

Off top of me head. Sorry  :-[

Great to get things running. Looking forward to the rockin' and rollin'

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 10, 2018, 06:30:06 PM
the receiver is small enough it could easily fit in one of your buildings, and the actual controller could be on the side of the bin, held with velcro, or in one of those pouches for tv remotes

Thank you for the link. Iíve seen those before and thought they looked good. My only reservation with this layout though is that it feels a bit like cheating. It would be crazy to try and fit a control panel in there too...... so Iím going to try!

Itís another head-scratcher of where to fit it all but Iím deterined. I already have some mini switches on order to play with. If it fails then Iíll revisit this later but for now Iím planning hardwired DC switches.

 8)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Phoenix on October 10, 2018, 08:21:35 PM
Hi Paul,

"It would be crazy to try it .......so I will"   Love it  :D :D

You could have a think about these ...

http://zscaletrack.com/medvend/AN-1-SAC (http://zscaletrack.com/medvend/AN-1-SAC)

I had a couple I was going to use on Windmill Hill but could not find anywhere to fit them, so I sold them to Jon (PostModN66) perhaps you could message him to see how he got on with them.

All best wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 11, 2018, 07:15:46 AM
ďNGrainĒ ?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Drakken on October 11, 2018, 10:27:44 AM
Bread N Butter  :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: GreyWolf on October 11, 2018, 01:10:42 PM
Loaf 'N' Grain Ltd. ?
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 14, 2018, 11:02:21 PM
Track laying ďproperĒ has commenced. I had a practice fit of the point in the test track board and Iím so glad I did as it was a disaster! There was too much tension in the curves for insulated couplers to hold it as the curve started so close to the join. In the end I went with metal joiners and soldered them too for strength. Iíll break the loop along the back straight where the tension is less and it also wonít be visible.

Once glued and screwed down I made a start on screwing down the curves.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/6379-141018225312.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70060)

And this is how Iíve left it for the night;

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/6379-141018225421.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70061)

Iím not sure how Iím going to cut to the 2 sides to length accurately and add the IRJís. Iíve been cutting the track with my trusty Lidl ďDremelĒ tool which is working well but getting the last joiners in anywhere on the loop is tricky. Hopefully Iíll dream something up in the night or the knowledge of the NGF will come up with a neat solution before track laying commences at some point tomorrow......  :helpneededsign:  :NGF:

In other news my 16v power supply arrived so I was able to test the point and all is well. As this is my first ever point that was good to see!

Thanks for looking
Paul
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: kiwi1941 on October 15, 2018, 06:02:52 AM
As far as electrics go, this is a great controller ......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG2LUOq2iTM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG2LUOq2iTM)
I agree - a great system. B
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 17, 2018, 12:35:31 PM
Progress has slowed this week but the track is now all layed and I have attempted the first test runs. Over the last couple of weeks I have been working in the kitchen in the evenings but SWMBO had had enough of the ďmessĒ so last night was a tidy-up-the-mancave night.

Even by my standards it was just too messy to work on the bench;

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/6379-171018122136.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70151)

So with the tidying done I had everything set up on the bench and soldered some droppers and wired the track switch. All was well until I switched the point (manually for now) and everything stopped. I wouldnít like to know how many YouTube hours Iíve put in learning about fitting points and asking questions on this forum; but none of that mattered last night as I still made a glaring error - I soldered the droppers on the wrong side of the IRJís!  :doh:

All good experience (thatís what Iím telling myself anyway)! By the time Iíd realised it was just too late in the evening so that will be tonightís job. Itís looking a little rough but all on the back of the loop that wonít be visible so Iíll leave it as it is. For a simple loop it was a real pain to lay. The tension in the curves either side of the point made it difficult so I really donít want to re-lay it.  Fingers crossed once the new droppers are in itíll be running well and ready for the spur (or is it ďhead shuntĒ?) section. If thereís room Iíll add a buffer stop to the end. I accidentally purchased another item of rolling stock last night so Iíd like to have the full set to offer up before committing to the length of track on this part.

Iíve also changed the layout ďplanĒ in my head so if I get time Iíll post up some ideas and ask the good members of the NGF for opinions.

Iím learning this week that newborn babies are not good for mental capacity as the lack of sleep is somewhat limiting my thinking time! Itís a good job sheís cute!!
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Phoenix on October 17, 2018, 05:23:27 PM
Hi Paul,

"I don't know how many You Tube hours I've put in ....."

Ha, so it was you who wore out you tube last night  :D :D

A bit late (sorry) but many congratulations to you and your partner on the arrival of  your new daughter  :laugh2: :heart: :laugh2:

All best wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 17, 2018, 10:17:58 PM
Wanting to stay positive I will say that I had a mixed night tonight on the layout and I learned a lot;

https://youtu.be/eqac-de9AYo (https://youtu.be/eqac-de9AYo)

The big lesson was not to rush the electrics; even if it is only temporary;

I fried the point motor!  :censored:  :censored:  :censored:

Although it may seem a bit drastic I have decided to start again. I now need a new point motor but I'd also had an issue with the point earlier; HERE  (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=42938.0) so I'll fit a new point too. Generally it all looks a bit rough so I'm hoping I can do a neater job second time round having practiced already  :-[ .

I have to say that I thought I'd chosen a simple little project but it's working out to be quite a challenge. I'm enjoying the process and learning loads which is the main thing! 

Thanks for reading :beers:
Paul
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: AlexanderJesse on October 17, 2018, 11:08:33 PM
Why not eliminate the point motor and use a mechanical solution?
On a micro layout with such a limited number of points mechanics would simplify much. Eg you would need the high voltage for the point... only the 6 to 9 volts for the loco. And that is much easier to provide  with batteries...

In your case a bowden cable from remote control aircrafts would do the job as well (if not even better)...
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 18, 2018, 07:52:52 AM
Why not eliminate the point motor and use a mechanical solution?

Thatís a fair point and something I will consider. Annoyingly it was all wired and working fine. It was only when I went to mount the switch on a temporary plate that bare cable twisted into the tabs at the back of the switch shorted.

Lots to think about now. I may give myself a few days off to consider things.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 18, 2018, 07:58:24 AM
Looking good. As you say rather frantic action, not very restful, but the loco looks very stable.  :uneasy:

However, it works really well.  :thumbsup:

 I had a play with a spare piece of flexi track, 9 inch diameter is really small. I appreciate the problems you are having with tension in the track!

I agree that manual point operation may be simplest. Either wire in tube or ďmoving sceneryĒ operation would work well.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Bealman on October 18, 2018, 08:02:02 AM
Congratulations on the arrival of your new daughter. Put the layout on the backburner...  more important things to think about at the moment!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: MalcolmInN on October 18, 2018, 03:31:46 PM
Great re-use of a bread bin, I like it :) Sorry to hear about the point motor.

An alternative to bowden / wire-in-tube type actuators is a push-pull rod. My Heath Robinson prototype used a bamboo skewer and staple.  (skewers can usually be found in a room somewhere in the house, I think it is called a kitchen ? :) )

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/3699-181018152421.jpeg)




Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Innovationgame on October 18, 2018, 07:11:31 PM
Just as an aside - a premium loaf that was popular in the 1960s was called 'Prairie Gold'.  So if you ever thought of running a 2-6-2 tank....
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Train Waiting on October 18, 2018, 07:22:11 PM
Just as an aside - a premium loaf that was popular in the 1960s was called 'Prairie Gold'.  So if you ever thought of running a 2-6-2 tank....

And I think that Oxford Diecast makes a nice 'Mother's Pride' van...

Sorry!
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: MalcolmInN on October 18, 2018, 07:34:53 PM
,,, So if you ever thought of running a 2-6-2 tank....
Ohhh the temptation !  :thumbsup:

 and I have been looking at bread bins on ebay as well ;)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 18, 2018, 07:59:50 PM
Just as an aside - a premium loaf that was popular in the 1960s was called 'Prairie Gold'.  So if you ever thought of running a 2-6-2 tank....

Now youíve made me google it and we all know that googling train ďtoysĒ is expensive!!  :help:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 18, 2018, 08:07:05 PM
I like the pokey stick idea (I assume thatís the correct technical term for it?). Iíve been sketching ideas and thinking of ways to make something like that work.

I was bidding a few weeks ago on a set of n gauge vehicles that included a motherís pride van. It went too high in the end but it look rather nice.  :thumbsup:

Iíll leave it a week or 2 before ordering more bits. Iíve got loads of ideas in my head so Iíll play around with them a bit before deciding.

Thanks for all the comments.
Paul
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: AlexanderJesse on October 18, 2018, 10:40:53 PM
Great re-use of a bread bin, I like it :) Sorry to hear about the point motor.

An alternative to bowden / wire-in-tube type actuators is a push-pull rod. My Heath Robinson prototype used a bamboo skewer and staple.  (skewers can usually be found in a room somewhere in the house, I think it is called a kitchen ? :) )

Also a cute idea!

I like the pokey stick idea (I assume thatís the correct technical term for it?). Iíve been sketching ideas and thinking of ways to make something like that work.


I came up with the idea of the bowden-system, because it allow to pull/push around corners without big problems. You could put the knob to operate the switch on the side instead the front...

Imagine a mechanical switchcontrol... well in Austria the most important parts are made and sold:
(http://www.h0fine.com/shop/images/product_images/popup_images/79_0.jpg)
http://www.h0fine.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=79 (http://www.h0fine.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=79) (link points to the shop site in german)
They say, that some parts are missing for a real mechanical switchboard, but the inventor of the mechanism originally has built a mechanical board... The switchcontrol look like real "continental" devices...
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: MalcolmInN on October 19, 2018, 01:11:06 AM
  • It's too fast even at 9v. Speed control is not only needed for aesthetics but to slow it down before stopping on the spur.
Is that a battery for portability ? If you get an AA battery holder and rechargable NiHM cells like this :-
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/3699-191018005356.jpeg)

you can easily tap off the required voltage in 1.5v steps by inserting copper foil strips. A rotary switch can be used to select which tap is in use

Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: MalcolmInN on October 19, 2018, 01:18:48 AM
PS if you are nimble with a soldering iron you could solder directly to the studs, but the plastic is easily melted ! ( dont ask how I know  ;D )

and here is another I prepared earlier ( for a portable shunting yard that I could play with outside in the sunshine without trailing mains cables ! ) :-
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/3699-191018005513.jpeg)

The switch is a bit clunky as bought but is easily dismantled to fiddle with the spring tension. I have some more pics somewhere in the archives if you want more details of that.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 19, 2018, 03:15:17 PM
The postman came bearing more gifts today. My ďaccidentalĒ eBay purchase which will ensure that the bread factoryís salt supply is kept up and some diffused ledís for the buildings.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/6379-191018151412.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70243)

 :D
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: AlexanderJesse on October 19, 2018, 03:34:37 PM
That "Saxa Salt" wagon is a cute little bugger....

these little wagons almost make me want to invest more in british rolling stock... They are perfect for micro layouts.
The continental roling stock on the other hand has the perfect shunting engine, the KŲf II.

Seems that an international layout with the KŲf (be it red or black) and the english wagons is the way to go xtra-small
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 28, 2018, 08:55:45 PM
Not much progress in terms of construction but Iíve taken the opportunity to practice some things on the original layout.

Some rust paint on the rails;

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/6379-281018203847.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70608)

A touch of red paint on the peco buffer stop;

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/6379-281018204031.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70609)

And a level crossing using pollyfilla;

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/6379-281018204222.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70610)

Iíve also taken delivery of some eBay cheapo street lighting which Iím actually quite pleased with. I didnít get any pictures as I was just testing them but they look good to me.

Iíve been doing a lot of planning with regards to the electrics. After deciding that I definitely needed speed control it opened up a whole world of options. With space at such a premium I have ordered an Arduino Nano which will be the basis of the speed control (I hope). I may even controll the street lighting and building lights through it depending how adventurous Iím feeling. The only complication is the various voltages required for the different fittings. If I can get my head around the values then I may just keep everything at 12v and solder resistors in-line with each individual part. With it being such a small layout there wonít be many so it could be the easiest/safest way. Iíd be interested to hear from others that have done similar with regards to working out what resistor size is required.

The point will be manual..... some kind of wire in tube but not sure what exactly yet. Thatís something Iíll play with on the original layout before committing to drilling holes on the final version.

Thanks for reading
Paul
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Phoenix on October 29, 2018, 12:18:52 AM
Hi Paul,

I know nothing about wiring up electronic bits, but when you mentioned arduinos something rang a bell.  This may be of help. .....

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/133047-the-bunny-mine-cakebox/page-3 (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/133047-the-bunny-mine-cakebox/page-3)

This guy is building a roundy layout in N gauge, with a passing loop, and a siding. The points are operated by servo motors, there is speed control, and it all runs off a 9v PP3 battery.

The amazing thing...... the layout is eight inches square. :o

I thought space was tight for us, but this  :goggleeyes: :goggleeyes: :goggleeyes:

Hope this helps  :thumbsup:

All best wishes
Kevin

 :beers:

PS.... The same guy built this, also 8" x 8", which I love  :D






Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 29, 2018, 08:23:53 AM
And a level crossing using pollyfilla;

This photograph has been bugging me but I couldn't put my finger on why. I think it's the wedge shape. It seems simple now but I followed the line of the sleepers so because it's on the curve it's created a wedge shape. I seems really simple but it's funny how you sometimes notice these things afterwards but not at the time.  :doh:

PS.... The same guy built this, also 8" x 8", which I love  :D

That's ridiculous..... I love it!  :laughabovepost:

I've been thinking more and more about batteries; there's almost too much choice! Good that I now have a test track to play with.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: chrispearce on November 01, 2018, 05:31:34 AM
The postman came bearing more gifts today. My ďaccidentalĒ eBay purchase which will ensure that the bread factoryís salt supply is kept up and some diffused ledís for the buildings.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/6379-191018151412.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70243[/url])

 :D


Not TOO much salt I hope! The stuff is, as they say, Satan's Dandruff and is bad for your blood pressure. If you wanted to be ultra up-to-date and correct you need to find a suitable Folate wagon. Apparently the gov't feels we don't eat enough of the stuff so add it to bread. All very clever!
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Bealman on November 01, 2018, 06:10:24 AM
I love those Peco Saxa wagons, even though they're a bit generic.

I have several on my layout.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Milton Rail on November 03, 2018, 02:58:28 PM
Great use of a redundant bread bin!  love it

I too have a sizeable quantity of Saxa salt wagons (almost as many as I do rectangular tar tankers!)

Great progress .... and all the while juggling a new baby!  Hats off to you
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 16, 2018, 11:20:30 PM
After a few weeks "off" I got back in the garage this week to make the new baseboard and give it a prime and a paint. Tonight I managed a few hours which was enough to get the track laid and tested.

After much cursing mild temper tantrums I came to the conclusion that glue alone was not going to work so in the end I have opted from screws. I think once the ballast is down it will look fine. Similar to when I laid the first track i had issues keeping the point rails still when forcing the tight bends into position but this time I was keeping a close eye on it and noticed when it was going. I had to solder the joiners on the outside of the curve to stop the joins pulling apart and use a temporary "back-stop" on the inner rails to stop them pushing through;

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6379-161118231020.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71570)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6379-161118231105.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71571)

With some perseverance I got everything laid including the siding to the factory yard area. Although it was getting late I couldn't resist soldering some droppers and testing it out;



There was an accidental uncoupling at the end due to an abrupt stop but I left it in. This was running at 9v which is too quick really but I was happy just to get it running and see it working. The stop/starts don't look smooth but that's down to my sausage fingers trying to jab cable ends into connector block!

I'm looking forward now to getting started properly on the scenics!

Thanks for looking
Paul


Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: AlexanderJesse on November 16, 2018, 11:41:01 PM
 :claphappy: Congratulations  :claphappy:
 :heart2: :heart2: :heart2:

Seems some 5 to 7 Volts would be more than enough....
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: MalcolmInN on November 17, 2018, 09:43:23 AM
Good to see you up and running again.  :claphappy:  :admiration:

 :greatwork:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 20, 2018, 09:33:06 PM
Not a lot to report but this week Iíve glued in the sleepers to fill the gaps and Iíve been playing with some printed surfaces which I posted the the scenery forum asking for opinions. It would be good to get some feedback from anybody following this thread that doesnít often frequent such sub-boards.

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=43571.msg539921#msg539921 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=43571.msg539921#msg539921)

Iím enjoy the ďtinkeringĒ stage. Iím hoping to be in a position to start the ballasting but I need to get the crossing and road surface decided first.

Thanks
Paul
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 24, 2018, 10:56:09 AM
Iíd like some thoughts please on the layout choice. I spent some time last mockingbthings up and Iíve been experimenting with road surfaces. Iíve decided that thereíll be a large paved area in front of the offices and behind the factory.

Across the back Iíd like the metcalfe tunnel and retaining wall. Iíve mocked it up here with paper just to check it fits. (Sorry for the rubbish pic. It was late!);

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6379-241118105048.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71776)

I like it as it will add height and provide a scenic break. The right hand side will just have a whole cut in the retaining wall hidden by the office block so Iím effect the track just ďdisappearsĒ behind the building. It also give me the chance to add a little detail on the road surface at high level for some interest.

The question is; will the red brick tunnel and retaining wall be too overpowering with too much red brick and will the stone effect version look odd as it wonít match?

Any thoughts?
Thanks
Paul
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: AlexanderJesse on November 24, 2018, 12:36:02 PM
If you wheather the wall and add some dirt... then it can become rather dark redddish grey... and in the dark will just give a sinister, grim look

The stones... why should they not fit... if the retainig wall is older than the factory... they can be of different materials
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Innovationgame on November 24, 2018, 12:47:11 PM
The stones... why should they not fit... if the retainig wall is older than the factory... they can be of different materials
I agree with the idea of a stone wall.  There's no reason for the factory and the wall to be made of the same material.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: port perran on November 24, 2018, 12:52:57 PM
I like the idea of the whole thing being built in red brick - particularly if you can add a bit of weathering. In fact, Iíd add a couple of small single storey railway related buildings (eg a parcelís office) as well. I think creating a slightly crowded feel will work well.
What are you going to do on the two sides?
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 24, 2018, 01:16:33 PM
Thanks all. I just wish I could visualise it better. Iíll keep thinking.

What are you going to do on the two sides?

Well where the yellow lorry is facing thereíll be a level crossing so the right hand front corner will be a roadside scene with maybe a grass verge and then a road disappearing through the right hand edge. I bought a footbridge to put over the track and end next to the office block but itís designed for platform height so it wonít work. I only need the left hand side steps so I toyed with the idea of using the right hand set to extend to make it higher but Iím not confident enough in making a good job of it. I should think about a pedestrian crossing somewhere I guess.

The left hand side behind the factory Iím thinking of a yard crane next to the end of the spur.  The front left corner is undecided. I need to fit the control switches somewhere so this may be where they end up.

I also have a weighbridge and hut that I could fit somewhere but I just couldnít get it to work. If thereís room in the left corner Iíve thought about a caravan/trailer-style snack van for the factory workers. That would be a fun scene to create.

Lots of ideas but I just need to start making decisions!  :doh:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 25, 2018, 08:16:05 PM
Hi Paul, enjoying watching this layout developing  :thankyousign:

Have you considered brick colours other than red? Lighter colours might help to brighten up the inside of the bin. Redutex do an excellent range of coloured brick sheets.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 25, 2018, 09:00:08 PM
Hi Keith,

Thank you. And itís great to hear that youíre enjoying the process. It really does spur me on to make a good job of it. With regards to brick colours the honest answer is that Iím just not confident enough yet to scratch build. Having built the metcalfe factory I was really impressed and out of any kit or prebuilt items that Iíve considered for the back of the layout - the metcalfe options fitted the best. They do the red brick and stone version so that was my choice.

Iím sure Iíll attempt scratchbuilding in the future but for now Iíll be sticking with kits or models.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 25, 2018, 09:19:27 PM
This evening has seen probably the most daunting (for me) element begin. After considering lots of flooring options and watching many YouTube tutorials it was time to stop procrastinating and lay some concrete! Taking advice from this great forum led me to the decision of paving the entire factory area all the way up to the track bring it up to track height.

This led me to a couple of annoying niggles that needed solving; first of all the head room is critical on the office block. Itís already positioned central to the layout so that it fits within the high point of the bread-bins arc shape but there really isnít many millimetres to spare. The second issue being I had no building materials that I could easily match to the exact height of the top of rail. Thanks to an Everard Junction video I had my method decided so firstly I layed matchsticks around the edge of the paved area;

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6379-251118210805.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71838)

Then the messy (but oh so fun) part began;

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6379-251118210944.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71839)

After it was all levelled with as little overspill as possible  :doh: I left it to harden slightly before using the scalpel to cut a line on the inside of the matchsticks to make their removal easier once the plaster has properly hardened;

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6379-251118211150.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71840)

This is how it will no remain until the next evening I get time to play and I can remove the matchsticks and then lay more plaster between this level section and the track (including the crossing). This part will have a slight gradient but I think it will work well. Doing it in 2 parts means I have a nice level area for the buildings and yard area and it also limits the height of the office block slightly.

Fingers crossed it will work out fine otherwise itíll be a horrible cleaning up job!  :o

Thanks
Paul
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 27, 2018, 09:19:26 PM
With the matchsticks removed and the buildings test-fitted in position Iím going to mark this one down as a success!!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6379-271118211501.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71957)

And hereís a shot to show you the clearance of the office block roof on the slats of the sliding lid;

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6379-271118211554.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71958)

It fits!  :beers:

The area between the track and the factory will be filled with ballast and the area to the right will be concreted with a slight incline to the rail height all the way up to the rail. To the right of the point will be the level crossing..... but thatís for another day!

 8)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Newportnobby on November 27, 2018, 09:34:31 PM
Job's a good 'un. Personally I'd stick with the red brick for the retaining wall and bridge but weather it all as others have suggested. I don't think it will all be too much :no:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 28, 2018, 10:01:45 PM
Not many words to add tonight but I thought I should share a picture of the completed ďconcreteingĒ. After a light sanding itíll be time to test the track again (with the level crossing in mind) and then start adding some colour.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6379-281118215809.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71981)

I am rethinking the front-right hand corner. I had imagined the road disappearing to the right but I changed my mind as it just didnít work. Iím happy for any ideas if anyone has any. I could just put the controls there and create a scene on the left only.......
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Newportnobby on November 29, 2018, 10:12:04 AM
I would suggest just a small lamp/tool hut maybe for point maintenance/cuppa/ciggie etc
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: AlexanderJesse on November 29, 2018, 10:29:44 AM
a tree with a bench to sit two of the little people (retired) discussing the goo' ole times ... maybe a dog barking at the train

The idea: the complete contrast between the busy sinister factory scene in the center... and a bright, colofull et peacefull scene of the two retired factory-workers chatting away
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: keithbythe sea on November 30, 2018, 07:20:16 AM
An allotment or small park?
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on December 01, 2018, 12:57:26 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/6379-011218125431.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72025)

Rusty rails and painted concrete! Iím not sure the picture does it justice but I brushed some watered-down sand colour over the grey to break it up a bit. I think it works well. ĎElf & Safety suggested a fence around the factory path beside the spur so thatís currently in construction.

Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Phoenix on December 01, 2018, 03:11:42 PM
Hi Paul,

Coming along really well  :D :thumbsup: :D

All best wishes
Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on December 26, 2018, 10:20:49 PM
Seasons greetings.

Itís been a hectic few weeks but Iíve managed a few hours here and there in the evenings. Most of this time has been spent building the metcalfe retaining wall and tunnel. Iíve had to heavily modify the structure of the tunnel to get it all to fit so thereís been much measuring, tinkering and head-scratching  :goggleeyes:

Iím not able to upload photos at the minute so Iíll try and do so once the update is complete. Iíd like to give the train a run to check clearances before I fix anything in position so I may even do a little video.

Next job is to weather the metcalfe buildings and structures so as ever; any tips welcome! Iíll be doing much YouTubing to see which method I fancy trying. Iím a little nervous to be honest so Iíll be trying methods out before committing. I really like the way metcalfe fill space on the cards with spare red brick sheet; this gives me extra material to play with.

Iím looking forward to the ballasting as itís something new for me but Iím resisting it until the buildings are in their final positions. Thanks for looking and hopefully Iíll share some photos or video soon.

Thanks
Paul
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on December 29, 2018, 09:56:51 PM
As promised; after a few evenings of scenic work and kit-bashing I got everything in place and ďplayed trainsĒ. Iím still struggling to upload images so I took a video (On my Iphone only Iím afraid so sorry about the quality) to show what Iíve been up to.

The track joint near the level crossing needs a little ďadjustmentĒ but apart from that the clearances are fine and Iím happy with the overall look. The bridge and retaining wall is weathered so itís the buildings to do next now that Iíve added the decals. I also need to add an inner wall to the tunnel to tidy that corner up a bit. Once the dodgy join is sorted (you can see the train bounce a little at the crossing) Iíll do the ballasting and then start to fix things down and add more detail.

Hopefully the video uploads ok;



Thanks for looking!
Paul
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: dannyboy on December 29, 2018, 10:35:43 PM
Amazing what you can find in a bread bin!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Tank on December 29, 2018, 10:46:53 PM
Excellent!  Great idea.  :)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Bealman on December 29, 2018, 10:56:16 PM
Very cool. I guess you'll have to keep your bread in the fridge now, then.  ;)

Just out of curiosity, what's the little loco?
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on December 29, 2018, 11:14:11 PM
Thankyou all for the likes and nice comments.

Just out of curiosity, what's the little loco?

Hi Bealman. The loco is an Arnold OBB kof shunter. I asked the forum for suggestions when I was at the planning stage as I was concerned about the tight radius. Sorry to whoever it was for forgetting who suggested it but itís been great!
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: AlexanderJesse on December 29, 2018, 11:22:37 PM
Very cool. I guess you'll have to keep your bread in the fridge now, then.  ;)

Just out of curiosity, what's the little loco?


It's a KŲf II. A small german shunter loco.(eg from minitrix http://www.spurweite-n.de/ncontent/ndb/ndb-artdetails.asp?ID=453063088&DoLog=0&MSel_Bezeichnung_VString=K%F6f&Sel_SoundTyp_FString=&Sel_Gesellschaft_FString=&DispCount=25&Sel_Hersteller_FString=&Sel_Mixed_Full=&Sel_ORDERBY=Bezeichnung&Sel_Vertrieb_FString=&Sel_Epoche_FString=&MSel_ArtikelNr_VString=&Sel_Baureihe_VString=&Sel_MitBild_Bool=&Sel_Produktdatum_VString=&Sel_KatQuelle_FString=&Sel_Produktstatus_FString=&Sel_Digitalschnittstelle_FString=&Sel_Gattung1_FString=&Sel_Gattung2_FString=&ToShow=0&MaxCount=103 (http://www.spurweite-n.de/ncontent/ndb/ndb-artdetails.asp?ID=453063088&DoLog=0&MSel_Bezeichnung_VString=K%F6f&Sel_SoundTyp_FString=&Sel_Gesellschaft_FString=&DispCount=25&Sel_Hersteller_FString=&Sel_Mixed_Full=&Sel_ORDERBY=Bezeichnung&Sel_Vertrieb_FString=&Sel_Epoche_FString=&MSel_ArtikelNr_VString=&Sel_Baureihe_VString=&Sel_MitBild_Bool=&Sel_Produktdatum_VString=&Sel_KatQuelle_FString=&Sel_Produktstatus_FString=&Sel_Digitalschnittstelle_FString=&Sel_Gattung1_FString=&Sel_Gattung2_FString=&ToShow=0&MaxCount=103))

The class has been created in the 30ies, more about it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRG_Kleinlokomotive_Class_II (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRG_Kleinlokomotive_Class_II)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on January 28, 2019, 09:00:12 AM
Hi all,

After a few weeks off of layout I had a few hours on it yesterday. The back wall is fixed into position and I did the job that Iíve been avoiding..... ballasting! Itís my first time ballasting so Iíve watched countless YouTube videos and read a thousand different methods. I went to bed last night thinking ďI hope it looks better in the morning when itís dry!!!Ē And thankfully I think it looks good.

Next job is th get the yard area layed with some gravel and then attach the buildings and start working on the power circuits.

I need to go away and read about uploading images again. My old method that Iíve done with all the others doesnít work since the upgrade. Hopefully I can share the image with you later.

Thanks for looking
Paul

Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: dannyboy on January 28, 2019, 09:11:56 AM
@Pjlons83 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6379)  Hi Paul, I wondered where the bread bin had gone! Regarding loading pictures, there have been a couple of posts about this. If I remember correctly, (will check later), one of the posts was from Mick @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) and it says "open your picture with 'Paint' then click on 'resize' on the top menu and select the 'pixels' option. I altered the top value to 2500 and the lower one defaulted to 1875.". (I copied the instructions into Word and stuck them on my desktop). If I am wrong, my apologies to those concerned. I have followed these instructions and it seems to work okay.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on January 28, 2019, 09:47:59 AM
Thanks Dannyboy Iíll have a look. I liked the ease of doing directly from my phone. Iím not sure how much uploading Iíll do if I need to edit every picture first.  :(

Iíll have a read up and see how best to tackle it.

Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on January 28, 2019, 10:10:19 AM
Fingers crossed for a pic below;


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/6379-280119100959.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73605)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: port perran on January 28, 2019, 02:34:05 PM
Getting there
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on January 29, 2019, 08:45:08 AM
Added a couple of yard lights on the retaining wall and laid the yard's gravelled area. It all looks a bit fresh and clean so I'll add some weeds and maybe a couple of climbers up the retaining wall. I may even weather the gravel a little to make it look a bit more grubby.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/6379-290119084102.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73632)

I'm still not 100% decided on exactly where to put the controls and what to do with the front corners so I'm happy to hear any thoughts or ideas. I feel it needs a bit of greenery in one corner maybe? But I'm also conscious of that looking a bit random. Once I've added some weeds around the wall and gravel; plus some plant pots in front of the reception building it may be enough.

Its really coming to life now i think!
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: dannyboy on January 29, 2019, 08:51:25 AM
Regarding the greenery, I would say that in a layout of this size, with your plans, less is more. By that I mean rather than have an expanse of green, the odd clump of grass and/or weeds would be enough, maybe an odd tree. Not sure about the location of the controls  ???.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: port perran on January 29, 2019, 08:54:04 AM
I agree. Definitely do not overdo the greenery. Do it a bit at a time and take time to see how it looks.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: AlexanderJesse on January 29, 2019, 09:28:53 AM
Added a couple of yard lights on the retaining wall and laid the yard's gravelled area. It all looks a bit fresh and clean so I'll add some weeds and maybe a couple of climbers up the retaining wall. I may even weather the gravel a little to make it look a bit more grubby.
Definitely coming alive...  :greatpicturessign:
I'm still not 100% decided on exactly where to put the controls and what to do with the front corners so I'm happy to hear any thoughts or ideas.
Controls...
where: just beneath the point
type: something like this: https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/railway-points-lever.html (https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/railway-points-lever.html)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on January 29, 2019, 09:56:32 AM
type: something like this: https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/railway-points-lever.html (https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/railway-points-lever.html)

I do like the idea of something like that. My only issue is height. The lid of the bread bin is curved so I lose height quite quickly with it being so close to the front. Does such a thing exist "off the shelf" in n gauge?
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on January 30, 2019, 08:38:01 AM
Not much to report today as I spent most of last night picking bits of gravel off of the track everywhere that the a rogue piece of ballast tried to escape and scupper the shunter!

I did put some temporary power onto the yard lights though just to check the effect;

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/6379-300119083722.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73661)

I also mocked up the "control panel" which gave me a few ideas...... hopefully more to follow in the next few days.

Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: AlexanderJesse on January 30, 2019, 08:57:33 AM
type: something like this: https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/railway-points-lever.html (https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/railway-points-lever.html)

I do like the idea of something like that. My only issue is height. The lid of the bread bin is curved so I lose height quite quickly with it being so close to the front. Does such a thing exist "off the shelf" in n gauge?
Looking at your last pic... why not place it  in the front right corner? Using bowden rods and angle connectors to move the point. The angle connectors can also be used to provide the necessary ratio...
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 04, 2019, 09:04:04 PM
Wow! Almost a whole year since my last meaningful update! I may have said this before but I feel I should publicly apologise to anybody that has spent years on their layouts.... when I first started this hobby I used to think "How can it take them so long" and "Mine will be finished much quicker".... hmmm that didn't quite work out like that did it. I'm trying to think of some old quote about the journey being more important than the destination; I'm sure you know the one I mean!  :sorrysign:

Anyway; Over the last few weeks I've tentatively taken the bread bin down from the shelf and started working on it (mostly just staring at it really). For anyone that read my post in the layout planning section you'll know I have a plan to rejuvenate my "main" layout and bring it back to life, but first I'd like to get this one finished to make room in the storage area of the playroom that I've commandeered successfully without anyone noticing.

It started with some painting of the sky areas. Just black for now but will add some deep blue later (it's a night time scene remember); 

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/6379-041019203635.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82332)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/6379-041019203706.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82333)

Whilst this was an essential step that I always needed to do at some point, it threw up yet more challenges like; How do I get the slats back in and stuck together to work like the original sliding front? How do I get the baseboard in and out without scuffing the paintwork? How do I get my sausage fingers in to do the wiring with knocking the buildings down? and then there was the issue highlighted very early on about how to rescue a stranded train from behind the wall at the back..... An hour in the garage this evening and all (well... most) are now solved. I basically got brave and attacked it with a jigsaw, hammer and chisel!

Firstly I removed the bottom of the bread bin completely;

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/6379-041019204506.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82334)

This solved the issue of scuffing paintwork with the baseboard. Now the whole thing slides over the top of the baseboard. I just need to figure out a way of fixing it now from the bottom (and out of site).

It also gave access to extend the slots on the side walls where the slats sit. From the open bottom I could now extend the slots so that the slats can be slid in as one piece once they're painted and linked back together;

Before;

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/6379-041019204817.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82337)

After;

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/6379-041019204845.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82338)

In the earlier image you can also see that I've cut a letter box in the back to provide rescue access! The entire back will be covered over by a new removable sheet of thin play to close it up later. 

After all that excitement I thought it was only right that I share my progress and bring this thread back to life in the hope that it spurs me on to keep tinkering. I've bought a few electronic bits and bobs so when they arrive I can really get going with the controls. Before then I need to mechanise the point switch and maybe do some more painting and somehow join the slats back up. All in all it's been a productive couple of hours. If I get more time over the weekend then I plan to add some weathering and a touch of greenery to the walls and yard before drilling holes in the board for the building lighting and fixing the buildings in place. Now that the shell and the baseboard can be treated independently until the very end it gives me much more freedom to do jobs in any order.

Thanks all for reading and fingers crossed it's not another 10 months before the next update!  :NGF: :beers:

edit; sorry if anyone is feeling dizzy; I'm not why some images have turned sideways  :doh:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: weave on October 04, 2019, 09:14:14 PM
Hi and glad your back to life,

Have a successful Weekend doing stuff and looking forward to your progress.

Cheers weave  :beers:



Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: dannyboy on October 04, 2019, 09:17:28 PM
I wondered where the bread bin layout had gone. I like the idea  of having the baseboard separate for now - should make things easier all round.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 05, 2019, 07:09:24 AM
Good to see you back. Your removable bottom should make things much easier.  :-[
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: port perran on October 05, 2019, 07:30:08 AM
Great to see the Great Bread Bin Challenge back on track.
I wish you  luck with the continuation of the project.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Newportnobby on October 05, 2019, 01:41:06 PM

The entire back will be covered over by a new removable sheet of thin play to close it up later. 


How very posh. Most of us use ply but it seems one has 'play' :D ;)
On a serious note, though, I'm looking forward to the next update
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 05, 2019, 02:16:40 PM
Most of us use ply but it seems one has 'play' :D ;)

You got me!  :-[
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 09, 2019, 10:38:23 AM
Whilst I wait for more electrical parts to arrive I've been doing a bit of tinkering. Mostly I've been distracted by how badly the shunter is running but I did take the camera out the other night as I wanted to do some experimenting on the side wall "backscenes".

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/82/6379-091019103711.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=82476)

This is by no means the final version but it's enough to tell me that I like the idea and I think I can make it work. More effort needed on the photography and a good quality print on a less shiny surface would vastly improve it but was good to see it in position.

I'd be keen to hear any thoughts and experiences of using photographs for backscenes. 

Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 20, 2019, 09:26:21 PM
I spent some time on the layout this evening mostly drilling holes for wiring, weathering and adding a bit of vegetation. I couldnít resist lashing up a temporary power supply and seeing what it looked like;

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6379-201019211804.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83026)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6379-201019211853.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83027)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6379-201019211933.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83028)

Also, the pictures have just reminded me that I sprayed and weathered the little fence before permanently fixing it in place. I always find weathering and drilling quite daunting but Iím very happy with the result. I think itís really come to life now!

I have made a compromise on the electrics; I always wanted to keep the controls permanent and fit them inside the breadbin somewhere but I just canít find a way that felt right. Iíve settled for fitting a socket in the back and making my own wired controller that can be plugged in and removed when required. Once all the bits and pieces have arrived I can get that built up and properly fix the wiring.

After a week away with the family itís back to work tomorrow for a rest so fingers crossed I can manage an evening on it again during the week!  :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Innovationgame on October 21, 2019, 06:28:37 AM
Have a quick look at the advice I gave to L'll Chris in the East Lancashire Lines to fix rotation.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 27, 2019, 06:48:22 PM
Not a major update but Iím trying to keep some momentum by ticking off the little jobs. After a few ideas I settled on some picture framing ďturnsĒ to secure the back access panel and also to provide a support for the baseboard to sit on. I wanted to keep it removable just in case anything needs fixing or modifying later.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6379-271019184652.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83280)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6379-271019184728.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83281)

Fingers crossed for a scenic update later  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 27, 2019, 08:59:39 PM
More fence going in this evening. Sprayed white, ďgrubbed upĒ with a brown wash and glued into pre-drilled holes in the baseboard. I sprinkled some scatter as soon as the fence went it so that the areas around the posts will be covered in weeds.

I really donít like drilling the board but itís definitely worth it I think. Iím happy with the effect.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6379-271019205925.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83282)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: chrispearce on October 28, 2019, 06:24:45 PM
You seem to be enjoying your clever project. It's looking really good. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: AlexanderJesse on October 28, 2019, 10:40:36 PM
Superb work. Seems you enjoy building it as much as we enjoy watching it.
 :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: port perran on October 29, 2019, 08:51:27 AM
Great work  :thumbsup:

Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on October 29, 2019, 11:10:04 AM
Thanks Everyone for the kind comments. I think I procrastinated for a while but now I'm getting into it again and can see it coming together I'm really enjoying it. It's been a bit hectic at home and work for a while too so for me modelling provides a few hours escape of an evening. Making the wring permanent and fixing the main building in place is the parts I'm currently avoiding  :-[
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 06, 2019, 10:08:53 PM
More detailing work going on over the last few evenings. It never looks like much but hopefully you guys will understand the time that the detailing takes  :help: Itís good fun though!

Some signage has been added at the entrance;

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6379-061119220529.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83646)

Thereís also a couple of sheds for the yard area that you can just see one of in the background.

Iíve also been playing with the space in the front left corner;

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6379-061119220703.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83647)

I rather childishly changed the name in the burger van (guess what SWMBOís name is) but it made me chuckle! Iíve painted some track side fencing for this area but Iím not sure whether Iíll actually fit it. Iím wondering if I can get away with no fence. Any thoughts? Iím also struggling with the ground in their corner, Iím not sure what to do with it so again, any ideas are welcome.

Thanks for looking.
Paul
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: weave on November 06, 2019, 10:58:46 PM
Hi Pjlons83,

Thinking out loud but what about the 'baps'  ;) van and seating area raised up about 1 or 1 1/2 inches high with a curved wall round the track?

Just a thought. All looking good though.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 06, 2019, 11:09:34 PM
Thatís interesting. Thanks Weave. The only thing Iíd need to look out for is the curve of the sliding lid. I think I lose height quite quickly there. I like the idea though. My only other thought is how do I get back down again and make it look ďnormalĒ.

Iíll have a play with that idea though. Thanks.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: chrispearce on November 07, 2019, 12:35:36 AM
The raised idea looks good to me. To my eye if the ground came up to the height of the front lip of the bread bin and the food outlet was in from the edge there shouldn't be a problem closing the lid. The groove for the sliding lid is clear in the pic and looks like it won't be fouled when closed.

Just a thought. The whole thing is looking really good and is dashed ingenious! :D
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Newportnobby on November 07, 2019, 05:16:18 AM
There's no way I'd have got away with naming the burger van like that :no:
I'd be pushing up the daisies :worried: ;)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: chrispearce on November 07, 2019, 06:50:46 AM
There's no way I'd have got away with naming the burger van like that :no:
I'd be pushing up the daisies :worried: ;)

Just as well it doesn't sell buns. :-[
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 07, 2019, 07:57:25 PM
Not much time to play tonight but I have it all planned in my head now with the raised area.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6379-071119195553.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83679)

All mocked up and ready to go. @weave (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=735) will have to go on the credit role if we make it to Hollywood!  :NGF:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: weave on November 08, 2019, 12:10:34 AM
Don't you mean the credit bap?  :D.

Glad to be of help.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Bealman on November 08, 2019, 12:23:27 AM
There's no way I'd have got away with naming the burger van like that :no:
I'd be pushing up the daisies :worried: ;)

Just as well it doesn't sell buns. :-[

I'd have thought it would have been buns, being in a bread bin!

What's a bap, by the way?  :confused2:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: weave on November 08, 2019, 12:48:45 AM
Hi George,

Not my thread and hope Pjlons83 doesn't mind but to enlighten you, baps are soft bread rolls (might just be a Southern England term?). They are also slang for a lady's breasts. Hope that doesn't offend anyone in the mad world of political correctness.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Bealman on November 08, 2019, 01:06:23 AM
I wasn't aware of the former, but coming from the north east, it's probably not surprising.

I was aware of the other meaning, strangely enough  ;)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: chrispearce on November 08, 2019, 05:27:57 AM
Good Lord!  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 08, 2019, 06:12:58 AM
I appear to have lowered the tone somewhat  :-[ itís all meant in good humour. I remember when I was much younger visiting a model village in Torquay (I think) and there were a few cameo scenes in amongst the scenery. I remember one of a window cleaner getting a surprise through one of the upstairs windows.  :o I enjoy that kind of ďchildishĒ humour in the right context; Innocent to the kids but enough that the odd grown up may raise a chuckle or discreet smile.

It is only my fun hobby after all  :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Innovationgame on November 08, 2019, 06:29:58 AM
Funnily enough, I knew that a bap wa a bread roll, but I didn't realise it was also a jug. :-[
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: chrispearce on November 08, 2019, 06:50:04 AM
I appear to have lowered the tone somewhat  :-[ itís all meant in good humour. I remember when I was much younger visiting a model village in Torquay (I think) and there were a few cameo scenes in amongst the scenery. I remember one of a window cleaner getting a surprise through one of the upstairs windows.  :o I enjoy that kind of ďchildishĒ humour in the right context; Innocent to the kids but enough that the odd grown up may raise a chuckle or discreet smile.

It is only my fun hobby after all  :beers:

My exclamation was meant in good humour too! It is all a bit of fun. Childish is good! Ask my family, friends, colleagues etc! :D
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Bealman on November 08, 2019, 08:42:45 AM
You should see some of the grafitti on walls on my layout  ;)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: dannyboy on November 08, 2019, 11:24:33 AM

I'd have thought it would have been buns, being in a bread bin!

What's a bap, by the way?  :confused2:

What's a bap - you have lived down under too long George!  ;)
https://www.seriouseats.com/2012/10/british-bites-sausage-bap.html (https://www.seriouseats.com/2012/10/british-bites-sausage-bap.html)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 08, 2019, 10:17:04 PM
A good few hours tonight has seen the front left corner looking almost complete. Nothing is fixed down yet but Iím currently in favour of it. Iíll give it a few days before committing.

It would be great to get some opinions on it. The back scene (on the side) is not permanent yet but again Iím currently very happy with how itís coming together.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6379-081119220942.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83704)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6379-081119221025.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83705)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6379-081119221104.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83706)

Iíve also received a few bits and pieces from Mick (NewportNobby) this week that will add some detail to the yard and trackside areas. If anybody has any pictures of these speed restrictions signs completed and installed then that would be very helpful. I cant get my head around what the final thing should look like  :help:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6379-081119221531.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83708)

Thank you in advance and thanks again for looking!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: dannyboy on November 08, 2019, 10:22:13 PM
Looking good, but personally, I would turn the benches through 180 degrees, so people can sit and watch the trains go by as they nibble on Ellie's Baps!  :)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 08, 2019, 10:34:26 PM
Looking good, but personally, I would turn the benches through 180 degrees, so people can sit and watch the trains go by

Good point. I did wonder that myself. Theses particular benches are a little over scale I think so thereís some on my shopping list for Warley!
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: weave on November 08, 2019, 11:48:33 PM
Hi,

Looking good although in my mind the original thought was that there would be a wall between the track and the paving so it didn't look like a platform.

You could always have some kids standing on the benches as they are and looking over the wall at the trains. Just my thinking.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 09, 2019, 08:01:09 AM
Iíve been thinking about this and I think I might fence it. I agree with Weave that it looks too much like a platform. I want to avoid using the same fencing as Iíve used around the factory. Iím off to search for round metal railings. If anybody has any ideas then please do share.  :hmmm:

Thank you
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: port perran on November 09, 2019, 08:33:26 AM
I agree, a wall or fencing will make it less like a platform.
How about the Ratio GWR fencing, perhaps painted green or red or whatever colour you fancy?
Maybe a few potted plants to liven it up? Barrells with a little greenery glued on too work quite well.

Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Bealman on November 09, 2019, 08:53:42 AM
I'm still worried about the baps.

Can it be changed to burgers?
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Bealman on November 09, 2019, 08:55:14 AM
I put the second post here to say I'm not that concerned  ;) ;D
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Innovationgame on November 09, 2019, 09:21:04 AM
I'm still worried about the baps.
For a brief period in my (very) early career, I delivered bread door to door.  Baps were round, flat, soft rolls.  Other sorts of rolls were:
Cob - more sperical in shape and very crusty
Roll - the sort of thing you use for hot dogs
Bridge rolls - a small version of the roll used for parties.
And then there were buns: current or fruit buns, iced buns, cream buns and, at easter, hot cross buns.  There were also Belgian buns, which weren't buns at all but more like plain Danish pastries.  Chelsea Buns were a cross between an iced bun and a Belgian bun. 

I hope that gives you a flavour  :-[ of rolls and buns.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 09, 2019, 02:21:41 PM
I agree, a wall or fencing will make it less like a platform.
How about the Ratio GWR fencing, perhaps painted green or red or whatever colour you fancy?
Maybe a few potted plants to liven it up? Barrells with a little greenery glued on too work quite well.


Thank you for the suggestions. Regrading the fencing Iíve been having a look around and I think I like the look of this style fencing http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=FA272401&style=main&strType=&Mcode=Faller+272401 (http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=FA272401&style=main&strType=&Mcode=Faller+272401) itís a bit more robust that the Lineside stuff and in that scenario I think itís a better fit.

Iíve also treated myself to some air dry modelling clay today for making plant pots. Iíve always thought of having 2 large pots either side of the steps to the reception building so Iíll see what I can come up with for smaller pots too. If Iím feeling really brave then maybe even some rectangular pots on top of the fencing.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: port perran on November 09, 2019, 02:26:21 PM
That Faller fencing looks just right I think.
Looking forward to seeing it in place and with the pots.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: dannyboy on November 09, 2019, 04:43:02 PM
If anybody has any ideas then please do share.  :hmmm:


I like the stuff from Scale Model Scenery - maybe something like this -
https://www.scalemodelscenery.co.uk/lx285-n-quayside--harbour--promenade-railings---n2mm1148-8792-p.asp (https://www.scalemodelscenery.co.uk/lx285-n-quayside--harbour--promenade-railings---n2mm1148-8792-p.asp)

Or you could do worse than look at https://www.3d-pluss.net (https://www.3d-pluss.net)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: dannyboy on November 09, 2019, 04:46:22 PM
I'm still worried about the baps.

Can it be changed to burgers?

I prefer baps myself.  ;)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 09, 2019, 05:47:59 PM
Thanks Danny.

The quayside railings look interesting! 👍🏻
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 11, 2019, 08:41:18 PM
Looking forward to seeing it in place and with the pots.

Whilst waiting for the postie to bring me some railings Iíve been playing with modelling putty.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6379-111119203921.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83829)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6379-111119203957.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83830)

Benches added for scale. I wonít use all of these, I just took the opportunity with some left over putty to keep trying different shapes.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: AlexanderJesse on November 11, 2019, 10:06:17 PM
Nice idea to recycle time and putty  :claphappy:
 :NGaugersRule:

Those little flower pots look very realistic
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 15, 2019, 09:27:03 PM
I managed to get the fence painted and installed over the last couple of evenings. The plastic is a lot thicker than the wooden fencing around the yard area so I wouldnít bend and stay stuck. In the end I had to cut it into individual panels and mark up, drill and stick each one by one. I think the effort was worth it. In reality, thatís how this kind of fence is normally installed anyway so Iím very happy with it.

A couple of pictures here of the scene with the little plant pots also in place. Iím still not happy with the scale of the benches so I will get some others before committing. Iím enjoying the detailing as itís new to me and it slows me down. Iím normally quite quick in wanting to get stuff finished but Iím giving this one time. Hopefully that comes across when (if ever) itís finished.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6379-151119212454.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83942)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6379-151119212531.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83943)

Thanks for looking  :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Newportnobby on November 15, 2019, 09:32:14 PM
They never had gricer vantage points with facilities like that in my day :no: :'(
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 15, 2019, 09:42:44 PM
They never had gricer vantage points with facilities like that in my day :no: :'(

They come as standard in my world!  :D

Good word by the way. I had to google it! I wondered if it was a typo at first  :-[

Gricer (noun) - in informal English; a railway enthusiast.  :NGF:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Newportnobby on November 15, 2019, 09:45:19 PM
In my trainspotting days sadly 'gricer' carried a slightly derogatory tone :(
I guess the latterday equivalent to 'nerd' or 'geek'
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Bealman on November 15, 2019, 10:41:59 PM
Gawd.... I build robots with Arduino, I guess that makes me a gricer , then  :uneasy:

I like the fencing very much!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 17, 2019, 08:54:40 PM
I had a little running session tonight to check the clearance of not only the new (now permanent) corner scene but also the sliding lid in the open position against the hidden section of track behind the wall. Iíd never actually checked the back for clearance but thankfully itís fine!

Whilst I had the temporary electrics wired I thought Iíd take a short clip for @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) so he could take advantage of the viewing area. A ďgricers-eye-viewĒ if you like! 👍🏻



 8)  :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Newportnobby on November 18, 2019, 09:36:36 AM
Strewth!
I thought getting the numbers off the AL electrics running through Bletchley was bad enough but I stood no chance with my ageing eyesight this time! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 18, 2019, 10:12:06 AM
Strewth!
.......I stood no chance with my ageing eyesight this time! :thumbsup:

 ;D Any slower and it gets stuck at the crossing. Hopefully it will improve with some more tweaking.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on November 30, 2019, 09:24:12 PM
Iím at the point now where the progress is not always noticeable so not much worthy of an update. Iíve taken a few pictures to show what Iíve been up to over the last week or so;

Wiring has started. Iím waiting on a Plug and socket for the controller but the power feed is in. In the end I decided it was much easier (and cheaper/more practical) to go with mains power. Everything will be fixed to the baseboard so that the body of the bread bin can always be removed. The picture here shows the power socket and the micro switch that will turn the lights on and also allow power to the track. A ďmaster switchĒ if you like. The L bracket on the sliding lid in the background is what will activate the switch so it will only work when the lid is fully open.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/6379-301119211547.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84570)

Iíve also been working on a few small bits and pieces to populate the yard to add interest. I found a ratio tank kit ready built in the local model shop for a couple of quid so I picked it up and have bashed it a bit to make it smaller. The grey base in the background here is the original size which was much too big for the small yard;

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/6379-301119211828.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84571)

They fit much better now in the little space that will be visible through the side of the main factory. Here you can see them along with some cable drums and barrels beside the shed. I donít like the colour of the barrels but I like the idea.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/84/6379-301119212031.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=84572)

I have a couple of ideas for little cameo scenes so thatís what Iíll be playing with over the next couple of weeks before fixing the buildings in place and finishing the wiring.

Thanks for looking. As ever, any thoughts or ideas are very welcome.  :NGF:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: AlexanderJesse on November 30, 2019, 10:09:23 PM
Looking good.
 :claphappy:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on January 08, 2020, 09:50:54 PM
The delivery boy tentatively readies himself for this mornings cycle/push up the cobbled Gold Hill;

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/6379-080120214947.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85888)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/6379-080120215031.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85889)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on January 08, 2020, 10:14:24 PM
Safety first!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/6379-080120221408.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85891)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on January 08, 2020, 10:33:12 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/6379-080120223303.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85892)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Gizzy on January 09, 2020, 07:33:22 AM
Just found this thread?

Nice layout and a good idea too!

One, or maybe ones, to watch....  :confused1:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on January 09, 2020, 08:47:10 AM
Thanks Gizzy,

It stops and starts quite a bit so doesn't hang around on page one for long! I can't believe it started over a year ago... the first post was October 2018! I'm hoping to have this one "finished" by spring so I can get out in the garage and re-ignite the Clouds Hill layout.....

That's the plan but we all know that plans always change and very rarely come into fruition in the same guise that they were thought up!
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on January 12, 2020, 08:30:02 PM
More detailing work going on this evening. Until recently Iíve avoided painting and always paid a bit extra for the ďlayout-readyĒ parts. Iím enjoying getting into the painting though. Iím hoping the hands steady with practice but so far Iím pleased with the outcome! The more I try the more I admire othersí fine detailing work, it gives me a perspective of just how good some of you guys are at this teeny tiny hobby!  :NGaugersRule:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/6379-120120202854.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86058)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/6379-120120202941.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86059)


Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Phoenix on January 12, 2020, 09:56:48 PM
As a fan of smaller layouts (ours are about the same size  :D ) I've loved following this thread   :D :D :D

All the little details are my favourite part of putting a layout together, so I'm really enjoying your most recent threads.

Fantastic work  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

All best wishes

Kevin

 :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on January 25, 2020, 11:49:32 AM
Iím posting this in the hope that it will spur me on to get some more modelling time this weekend.

My brass plaques have arrived so I can finish the controller and the electrics.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/6379-250120114546.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86565)

The idea is that the box will double up as storage for the locos and rolling stock for when the layout is not in use.

And this morning I treated my self to a new delivery truck that I can fit into the scene somewhere.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/6379-250120114721.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86566)

The tacky wax was bought online. Itís a different consistency to what I was expecting so not sure how to actually use it yet. If anyone has any tips for how to apply it at minute scale then please do share.

Thanks for looking and fingers crossed for more updates over the weekend.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Innovationgame on January 25, 2020, 12:39:03 PM
If you want to stick people to the layout, just dip their feet into the wax suffiently to stick them down and then do just that.  The same robably applies to lots of other things too.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on January 27, 2020, 09:05:18 AM
From a personal perspective this is quite significant update. The wiring is very nearly complete and the buildings are fixed in their final position. This is after months of prep work and dithering in my own mind as to how and where etc...

The controller end is complete. Just the connection to be made at the other end...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/6379-270120084525.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86640)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/6379-270120084550.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86641)
(Since taking this image I've secured and mounted the PCB to tidy it up a bit)

The only wiring left to complete is connecting the 4 core cable from the controller to the board. Brown (permanent 12v), Blue (0v feed), Black/White (Track feed)... In truth I have only written this detail here for when the time comes that I realise I've lost the little scrap of paper with this written on!  :doh:
 
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/6379-270120085000.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86642)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/6379-270120085103.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86643)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/6379-270120085212.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86644)

In these images I'm just holding down the switch that would be activated by the lid. I need to make the hole through the back for the power cable before I can power it inside the bin now that the cabling is permanent.

I have lots of bits and pieces ready to populate the yard with (plus vehicles and people);

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/6379-270120085459.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86645)
The skips are something that I've 3D printed so a bit of an experiment for now. I'm not sure that they'll make it onto the layout yet.

I've left a spare way in the terminal strip for another power feed. With the lid in the open position you can see more of the road area above the track than I'd expected so I might choose to add a little cameo scene here at some point. Maybe just a couple of cars with headlights or as the road stops abruptly I might barrier it off and make a roadwork scene...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/6379-270120090338.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86646)
(just about visible in the dark corner of this image)

My plan is to only have the big items like the bike shelter fixed permanently. The larger itmes that support themselves can just be placed in position and I have Tackywax (Thank you for the tip Laurance) for the people and smaller parts that I might like to move around to make different scenes...

As ever, all thought and ideas are welcome. Thank you for looking.  :NGF:

Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on February 01, 2020, 10:31:04 PM
The wiring is officially complete!  :beers:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6379-010220222219.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87019)

Lots more yard clutter added to the pile;

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6379-010220222308.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87020)

And the scaffolders have been in to make the road safe above the tunnel. Works starts soon when the plant arrives!;

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6379-010220222429.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87021)

A short running session has proved the controller to be a success! Iíll try and make a video once the board is back in the bread bin. Iíve got a couple of holes to drill for the controller cable and power lead and itís a bit late for drilling now.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6379-010220222924.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87022)

Thank you for following and for all the likes. Itís very much appreciated  :NGF:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Milton Rail on February 02, 2020, 09:05:13 AM
This is looking superb, loving the details you are starting to add, making great progress, you've clearly not been loafing around   :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Newportnobby on February 02, 2020, 10:13:20 AM
Aye - it's t'best thing since sliced bread :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on February 02, 2020, 09:08:29 PM
Hi all, Iím looking for opinions please.....

Iíve been thinking about the crossing and the point and about how there would surely be somebody employed to manage it. Much like thereís a gate house in just about every factory yard. I had a little weighbridge hut kit so Iíve built that today to see how it looks. Iím thinking that if it is ďmannedĒ then surely that person needs an office? Personally I think it works but Iím wondering if itís a bit too cluttered?

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6379-020220210642.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87068)

Iíd really appreciate some honest feedback please before I commit either way.

Thank you in advance  :NGF:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: dannyboy on February 02, 2020, 10:00:09 PM
Looks okay to me.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: weave on February 02, 2020, 10:48:18 PM
I agree, looks good and I don't think it looks cluttered. My neck's a bit scuppered though  :D.

Seriously, looks fine.

cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 02, 2020, 10:57:45 PM
 :hellosign:
    Agree with the above, looks good
       regards Derek
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on February 03, 2020, 07:03:56 AM
Thanks all. And with fresh eyes this morning Iím liking it still so it looks like a definite yes!  :thumbsup:

My neck's a bit scuppered though  :D.

Iím guessing that means that the curse of the magic rotating image has returned? It looks fine on my phone! Iíll fix it later on the laptop.  :hmmm:

edit - Fixed I think  ???
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: GreyWolf on February 03, 2020, 06:21:17 PM
Hi all, Iím looking for opinions please.....

... a gatehouse .... a little weighbridge hut kit so Iíve built that today to see how it looks. Iím thinking that if it is ďmannedĒ then surely that person needs an office? Personally I think it works but Iím wondering if itís a bit too cluttered?

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6379-020220210642.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87068)

Iíd really appreciate some honest feedback please before I commit either way.

Thank you in advance  :NGF:

HONESTLY ... I think it looks fine ... but perhaps a flat 'weighbridge' panel in front of it would make it more integrated?

Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: port perran on February 03, 2020, 06:30:38 PM
That looks fine to me.
Itís a fabulous little scene  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on February 03, 2020, 07:39:32 PM
Thanks for all the nice comments.


HONESTLY ... I think it looks fine ... but perhaps a flat 'weighbridge' panel in front of it would make it more integrated?

Cheers  :beers:

Thanks GreyWolf. The kit comes with a flat panel so Iíll paint it up and see how it looks  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Milton Rail on February 03, 2020, 08:07:32 PM
The gatehouse looks great and agree that the weighbridge might add a nice touch to the scene   :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: AlexanderJesse on February 03, 2020, 08:24:33 PM
Hi all, Iím looking for opinions please.....

Iíve been thinking about the crossing and the point and about how there would surely be somebody employed to manage it. Much like thereís a gate house in just about every factory yard. I had a little weighbridge hut kit so Iíve built that today to see how it looks. Iím thinking that if it is ďmannedĒ then surely that person needs an office? Personally I think it works but Iím wondering if itís a bit too cluttered?

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6379-020220210642.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87068)

Iíd really appreciate some honest feedback please before I commit either way.

Thank you in advance  :NGF:
How about cut the gatehouse in two and lean it onto the building behind it? (Cut it along the top of the roof)
I'd say it's still close enough to the gate, but less important spacewise.

Maybe a card-prototype?

Just make sure that enough windows look into the direction of the gate
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: dannyboy on February 03, 2020, 08:27:38 PM

How about cut the gatehouse in two and lean it onto the building behind it? (Cut it along the top of the roof)
I'd say it's still close enough to the gate, but less important spacewise.


Now that is an interesting option!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on February 03, 2020, 08:54:47 PM
Interesting indeed. Now my evening will be spent google images! Lol.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6379-030220205307.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87107)

This hut particularly doesnít work but itís given me an idea. Thanks Alex.  :beers:

I know the weighbridge itself is the wrong colour but I just quickly sprayed it as it was bright brass!

Edit - and thereís room for him to park his moped between the fence and the hut!  :hmmm:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Phoenix on February 03, 2020, 10:08:45 PM
Hi Paul,

The hut looks  really good where you put it.  :thumbsup:

I don't like the cut hut against the wall, but where you put the hut originally looks fab to me. The guy in there managing the crossing should  surely be in charge of some sort of barrier  :hmmm:

I do think there should be barriers at that crossing  ;)

All best wishes

Kevin

 :beers:

Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Innovationgame on February 04, 2020, 06:31:09 AM
Hi Paul,

The hut looks  really good where you put it.  :thumbsup:

I don't like the cut hut against the wall, but where you put the hut originally looks fab to me. The guy in there managing the crossing should  surely be in charge of some sort of barrier  :hmmm:

I do think there should be barriers at that crossing  ;)

All best wishes

Kevin

 :beers:
Yes, I agree, the original hut looks much better.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: dannyboy on February 04, 2020, 08:02:00 AM
Now that I see the half hut in position - no, it does not look right. I will be interested to see what your new idea is going to be.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: port perran on February 04, 2020, 08:09:03 AM
Another vote for the old hut.
I rather liked the cramped looked which it gave.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on February 04, 2020, 08:22:45 AM
Thanks everyone for the opinions.

When I'm not sure I like to leave it set up overnight and come back to it in the morning. This morning when I looked again i was not as excited.

Now that I see the half hut in position - no, it does not look right. I will be interested to see what your new idea is going to be.

Before I went for the full on hut (which i already had so didn't cost me anything to try), I was thinking of how it might be in practice. I was looking for some kind of "lean-to" almost like a bus shelter or wooden shed with an open front. So when the idea of the half-hut was suggested it kind of took me back to that thought. To be fair to the original idea I don't think cardboard "half-hut" does it just justice. Something like this might look better; https://tencommandmentsmodels.co.uk/product/brick-industrial-wooden-lean-to-shed-extension/

Anyway I'm in no rush so I'll keep playing and share it if something else comes up. Right now though I think I'm preferring the full hut but without the weighbridge plate. This might change once it's a better colour....  :hmmm:


Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: AlexanderJesse on February 04, 2020, 08:49:11 AM
Thanks for trying the half hut.

Comparing the two situations: vote for the full hut.

Part of the reasoning for the half hut at the wall, was that like that there was another small truck-loading ramp...
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on February 04, 2020, 10:44:46 PM
The guy in there managing the crossing should  surely be in charge of some sort of barrier  :hmmm:

I do think there should be barriers at that crossing  ;)


Iíve had a level crossing gate from the very beginning when I first decided that there would be a crossing but as things evolved I just didnít like it. I think more to do with the size than anything else. I agree though that in reality Iím sure thereíd be something...

Iíve been experimenting with the 3D printer tonight so Iíll get some paint on it tomorrow and see how it looks in situ. Just a basic lift up barrier...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6379-040220224326.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87134)

 :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on February 06, 2020, 10:25:29 PM
Here it is painted and placed temporarily in position;

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6379-060220221907.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87213)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6379-060220221947.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87214)

With the hut in this position thereís the space beside the platform that I could either add some steps up to the platform or park the yard-mans moped maybe?

As before Iíll leave it out overnight and have another look in the morning before committing and it would be great to get your thoughts again.

Thanks
Paul  :NGF: :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on February 13, 2020, 08:10:34 AM
No major updates over the last week but lots of planning and few things on order for the various cameo scenes around the layout. Many thanks to fellow members who have helped me out!  :NGF:

I wasn't completely happy with the barrier so I've spent a few hours playing with that and came up with this updated version;

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6379-130220080308.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87459)

I posted elsewhere on the forum about tips for carefully hoovering a layout... We had somebody round to sand and oil the worktops in the kitchen and lets just say it didn't go to plan. With no dust extraction and the doors open to the room where the layout resides it ended up covering EVERYTHING in a layer of fine wood dust. Needless to say I was not happy but fingers crossed it should clean up OK. Hopefully by the weekend I'll have all of the parts to get the layout "finished" and then I can lay out all the scenes and try some decent photos and a running session.... Although I do have some ideas for experimenting with more light..... Watch this space!

Notice I said "finished" in inverted commas. I'm not sure these things are ever completely finished!  :D
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Bealman on February 13, 2020, 08:15:03 AM
Sorry to be a damp squid here, but I actually prefer the original barrier!  :uneasy:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on February 13, 2020, 08:30:07 AM
Sorry to be a damp squid here, but I actually prefer the original barrier!  :uneasy:

 :hmmm: I'm reserving final judgement until I've seen it in position.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: weave on February 13, 2020, 08:58:44 AM
Hi,

At the moment I prefer the new one but will wait as well for final vote (if that's what we are doing  :))until it's in situ.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: dannyboy on February 13, 2020, 09:04:31 AM
I am sitting on the fence, (well barrier) - I like both versions, but it would be nice to see pictures of them both in position.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: port perran on February 13, 2020, 11:10:36 AM
My vote is for the new one.
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: MARK1985 on February 13, 2020, 11:13:20 AM
I say make it a cameo , the new one in process of being fitted after the old one on the floor being replaced  :D
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on February 13, 2020, 02:38:17 PM
I say make it a cameo , the new one in process of being fitted after the old one on the floor being replaced  :D

I'm now wondering if one will fit on the other side of the crossing  :hmmm:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on February 13, 2020, 08:09:22 PM
The new one is definitely my favourite  :thumbsup:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6379-130220200754.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87477)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6379-130220200831.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87478)

And I wonít be adding a second on the other side. It just wouldnít look right!  :ngauge:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: weave on February 13, 2020, 08:20:35 PM
Agree on both decisions  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on February 13, 2020, 08:25:37 PM
And now Iím just playing!  :D

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6379-130220202450.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87480)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6379-130220202525.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87481)
Title: Re: "Gold Hill" - A micro-layout..... In a bread bin!
Post by: Pjlons83 on March 08, 2020, 09:48:57 PM
Almost another month has gone by without an update. Where does the time go?

Iíve been tinkering away and experimenting with ideas. Most around lighting. After gathering a number of vehicles for the construction area it soon became clear that there wasnít nearly as much space as I thought there was so the idea has been scaled back somewhat. Thereíll be light from the headlights of the car, a flashing amber light on the side of the skip and possibly a light in the portaloo just for interest. Iím toying with the idea of adding a ďsecurityĒ decal to the car to tie it in a little better  :hmmm:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/6379-080320213606.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88441)

With no room for a crane I plan on mounting a jib section out of view and hanging an I beam from it. Possibly having a few more on the back of the wagon being unloaded.

In the yard area Iíve been experimenting with light for the gatehouse. I also thought that in practice it would make sense for it to have access to the platform area so Iíve printed and primed some concrete steps ready for the final colour.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/6379-080320214016.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88445)

In the back of my mind Iíve been wondering what to do with the little bit of dead space at the front by the point;

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/6379-080320214347.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88447)

As ever; any ideas welcome.

Thanks for looking
Paul

P.s. thank you for the help sourcing parts from the members who helped me out. Your help and kindness is very much appreciated.  :NGF:  :beers:
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