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Title: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: guest6298 on August 31, 2018, 05:27:33 PM
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Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on August 31, 2018, 06:32:37 PM
isn't it typical.

We've already had an E6003 with a SYP. Now we get the same loco without a SYP. Why couldn't Gaugemaster do one that had not been done before.
I definitely may have to get it.
And I definitely will have E6039 - a much needed livery if I may say so. Much better than Dapol's E6033 which only wore Banger Blue for a short time from 1971-1974.

Just hope they get these older liveries right. They seem to do OK with the modern liveries but they have not been so good with Broadlands for example.

Grrrrr….

Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on August 31, 2018, 06:46:25 PM
that's good news then

I've ordered one

tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: RailGooner on August 31, 2018, 07:31:52 PM
..
GM2210205 - 73212 Network Rail Yellow

([url]http://www.gaugemaster.com//media/wysiwyg/articles/guides/GM2210205.jpg[/url])
...


 :bounce: Saves me having to respray a 'Brighton Evening Argus'.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: potts on August 31, 2018, 07:43:52 PM
I just hope there better than the last batch.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: robert shrives on August 31, 2018, 08:23:27 PM
2 yellow and one dutch seem likely purchases.
Robert
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on August 31, 2018, 09:49:15 PM
that's good news then

I've ordered one

tim

How did you manage that, Tim?
I've gone onto their site and tried to order a green one and nothing happens at all ???
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on August 31, 2018, 10:02:15 PM
Worked OK for me.
But it was hard to find the basket (rather strangely it was on the left, halfway down)

Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on August 31, 2018, 10:04:29 PM
Also please note the models they showed must be Dapol OO ones.

Just hope they get the colours right - Dapol warning panel yellow in OO is rubbish - in N on the 33s and Westerns its OK.
I cant figure the inconsistency.

Bob

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on August 31, 2018, 10:05:42 PM
Sorted now thanks. What a weird site. I kept pressing 'Order' thinking a new page would open as I had not seen the Shopping Cart on the left in small type. Before I knew it, I'd ordered 15 of 'em!
Their order numbers are easily remembered too, eh?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Safety Engineer on August 31, 2018, 10:06:55 PM
I'd be up for a Green one however, is it actually a JA Electro-Diesel? The JA's had a different side window/grill arrangement to the JB variant. Less noticeable differences were that the bogies were different and I think that the JB had an extra MU jumper at the ends. The original JA was a home grown BR product whereas the JB was an English Electric product.

(The original Green special from the Signal Box was near enough a JA for my eyesight).

(Out of interest: The JA's were originally SR coach Green to match rolling stock and carried the corresponding coach roundel).

Martin
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: davidinyork on August 31, 2018, 10:17:49 PM
Have Dapol actually ever produced the tooling variations for the JAs?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on August 31, 2018, 10:19:41 PM
I'd be up for a Green one however, is it actually a JA Electro-Diesel? The JA's had a different side window/grill arrangement to the JB variant. Less noticeable differences were that the bogies were different and I think that the JB had an extra MU jumper at the ends. The original JA was a home grown BR product whereas the JB was an English Electric product.

(The original Green special from the Signal Box was near enough a JA for my eyesight).

(Out of interest: The JA's were originally SR coach Green to match rolling stock and carried the corresponding coach roundel).

Martin

You are absolutely right. We will get the plastic revised JA DCC ready chassis, because that's what people want (quote unquote) which can't pull the skin off a rice pudding, but what body we get will be a lottery. Dapol did the JB first but i think Signal Box had the exclusivity on the JA mould with its different window/grill/MU jumpers (possibly until they went bust).

I've already rejected one Gaugemaster version - the Broadlands in Executive livery which looked like stripey toothpaste. Sickly white and too dark grey.

Would be good to have some interaction with GM to get it right but that doesn't seem to happen.

We can always send them back. There are enough punters who won't care if the livery/bodystyle is right or not quite right, so GM don't seem too bothered. Its always the early liveries that suffer. I guess the person who specs these up is into post 2000 liveries. GM i hope you are reading this and give us some comfort that you will get these right.

Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: RailGooner on August 31, 2018, 10:33:46 PM
Sorted now thanks. What a weird site. I kept pressing 'Order' thinking a new page would open as I had not seen the Shopping Cart on the left in small type. Before I knew it, I'd ordered 15 of 'em!
Their order numbers are easily remembered too, eh?

 :laughabovepost: Nearly spilt my Green Spot then. :beers:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on September 01, 2018, 01:36:31 PM
I've always wanted a green one but never thought they'd come round again.
Now all I need is an excuse for one to turn up in Oxfordshire - maybe the only thing they could lay their mitts on for a failed class 33 :D
(Not that 600hp probably hauled a great deal :hmmm:)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: robert shrives on September 01, 2018, 01:54:58 PM
Hi I recall XC hired a pair of 73s  on two occasions, the first pair expired Banbury with fire bells going. Second pair got to Brum playing a merry tune on the fire bells ... to the consternation of the station staff. - bet it cleaned the crud of the engine blocks.

Without rebuilding the 73s would never have been in the running for the sleepers - but for the models I guess we will get a repainted standard model - it basically will look the part !

Robert       
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on September 01, 2018, 02:05:33 PM
Sounds good to me, Robert. I'll have a suitable fire appliance standing by ;D
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: BobB on September 01, 2018, 02:45:00 PM
Drat. No BR corporate blue TOPS numbered version !
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Tank on September 01, 2018, 05:09:01 PM
Before you all go buying, these are £79.99 from Collett's! 

I'll be after the NSE.  I would like the Dutch, but I can't spend any more this year on N.  :'(
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: RailGooner on September 01, 2018, 06:12:02 PM
Before you all go buying, these are £79.99 from Collett's! 

I'll be after the NSE.  I would like the Dutch, but I can't spend any more this year on N.  :'(

Due January 2019! Next year! :claphappy:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on September 01, 2018, 06:20:33 PM
Damn!

I've just ordered mine through Gaugemaster  :veryangry:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on September 01, 2018, 07:43:27 PM
I don't really understand why gaugemaster are letting colletts undercut them by 20 quid on their own limited run models but I might order one from both and see what happens


Tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on September 01, 2018, 08:52:37 PM
well I have switched to colletts... and ordered both nse and dutch versions...

Tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on September 01, 2018, 09:13:10 PM
Before you all go buying, these are £79.99 from Collett's! 

I'll be after the NSE.  I would like the Dutch, but I can't spend any more this year on N.  :'(


Many thanks for the heads up Chris :thumbsup: You've just saved me a few quid!

P.S PM me to sort that wiring issue out!  ;)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on September 01, 2018, 09:34:18 PM
well I have switched to colletts... and ordered both nse and dutch versions...

Tim
Had you placed an order with Gaugemaster then? I've e-mailed them asking if they will price match or allow me to cancel and reorder.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on September 01, 2018, 09:53:35 PM
Before you all go buying, these are £79.99 from Collett's! 

I'll be after the NSE.  I would like the Dutch, but I can't spend any more this year on N.  :'(


Many thanks for the heads up Chris :thumbsup: You've just saved me a few quid!

P.S PM me to sort that wiring issue out!  ;)

Thanks. have re-ordered from Colletts.
Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on September 02, 2018, 10:44:02 AM
Before you all go buying, these are £79.99 from Collett's! 


Thanks for the tip, Tank.  Green & Electric Blue ordered with a £40 saving!

Am I right in thinking the Green version is a JA and the Electric Blue JB? The bodies are quite different. 

Mark
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on September 02, 2018, 11:03:45 AM

Am I right in thinking the Green version is a JA and the Electric Blue JB? The bodies are quite different. 


I would hope this will be the case, as they have the different bodies in their toolkit, but they managed to do 73142 Broadlands last time with a headlight...and the wrong shades of grey!
I know some folk were happy with their models, but mine went back.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on September 02, 2018, 11:15:03 AM

Am I right in thinking the Green version is a JA and the Electric Blue JB? The bodies are quite different. 


I would hope this will be the case, as they have the different bodies in their toolkit, but they managed to do 73142 Broadlands last time with a headlight...and the wrong shades of grey!
I know some folk were happy with their models, but mine went back.

Thanks Bob, guess we'll see what comes out of the lucky dip in January.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: JBQFC on September 02, 2018, 12:22:34 PM
Dapol do have a molding for a 73/0 i have 73002 in blue which has the extra details

John
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on September 02, 2018, 01:22:27 PM
isn't it typical.

We've already had an E6003 with a SYP. Now we get the same loco without a SYP. Why couldn't Gaugemaster do one that had not been done before.

Bob



It's possible somebody asked Gaugemaster to produce this livery/number. When they announced the previous run of Class 73 they asked for suggestions for future liveries

Check the bottom of this web page where they said they would be doing future runs and requested suggestions for liveries.  [url]http://www.gaugemaster.com/articles/guides/br-class-73.html[/url] ([url]http://www.gaugemaster.com/articles/guides/br-class-73.html[/url])


It is also one that Dapol has done in OO, so they've got the livery details already.

I just don't understand the Dapol Digest statement now! As GM are seemingly doing both JA and JB variants???
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on September 02, 2018, 02:12:08 PM

Am I right in thinking the Green version is a JA and the Electric Blue JB? The bodies are quite different. 


I would hope this will be the case, as they have the different bodies in their toolkit, but they managed to do 73142 Broadlands last time with a headlight...and the wrong shades of grey!
I know some folk were happy with their models, but mine went back.

Thanks Bob, guess we'll see what comes out of the lucky dip in January.

Why don't you email Gaugemaster to see what mould they are using?

Have emailed Gaugemaster - when they reply I'll post an update.

Mark
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: kerrcophony on September 02, 2018, 07:03:13 PM
These are really nice models.  E6003 is preserved on the Swindon & Cricklade Railway (near me) so I may go for this (although my layout plans revolve around BR Blue Hydraulics).  The BR Blue one is very fetching too.  What a shame that there isn't another run of the Pullman livery which seems to be almost universally popular.

The Colletts price is very competitive.  It even beats the current Dapol InterCity Special Offer!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: ohlavache on September 03, 2018, 10:27:22 AM
I just ordered my green E6003 !
 :bounce:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Safety Engineer on September 03, 2018, 04:42:55 PM
Just had an Email from Gaugemaster, the Green 73 will be a JA, the rest will be JBs.

Martin
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on September 03, 2018, 05:34:48 PM
Damn!

I've just ordered mine through Gaugemaster  :veryangry:
RESULT  :claphappy:
I sent an e-mail to Gaugemaster explaining how incompetent I was and they have agreed to cancel my order with them.

I have now ordered via Colletts  :beers:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on September 03, 2018, 05:57:30 PM
Just had an Email from Gaugemaster, the Green 73 will be a JA, the rest will be JBs.

Martin

Martin

That’s what we wanted to hear! And my GM order was cancelled this morning and I have two coming from Collette too.

Hurrah!
Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on September 03, 2018, 06:00:16 PM
Just had an Email from Gaugemaster, the Green 73 will be a JA, the rest will be JBs.

Martin

Yes - good news!

Mark
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: daveg on September 03, 2018, 06:33:31 PM
Just picked up on this thread, darn it!

Despite my promise to self of 'no more locos' I rather fancied a green one.

Looks like Colletts may have sold out of the green livery 73's. Happily I do have one in Pullman livery Royal Alex (£70 when purchased) so will have to be content with that.

Dave G
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on September 04, 2018, 03:36:49 PM
If Colletts are beginning to sell out, Hattons are advertising them all at £85.

Mark
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on September 04, 2018, 04:08:44 PM
Added a green 73 to my order today with Colletts. No problem.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: njee20 on September 04, 2018, 04:22:14 PM
You can cancel an online order up to 14 days after delivery for no reason whatsoever, so if Gaugemaster had refused, or told you they needed to charge a 'restocking fee' or there was a 'non-refundable deposit' or any such rubbish then they can't do that. Not suggesting GM would ever do that, but a lot of online retailers do try that sort of thing.

If it's already been delivered to you then you may be responsible for the return shipping, but that's it.

These do look good, I've seen the GBRF 73s a few times, including one at the Bluebell Railway diesel gala last year, so perhaps one will find its way into my collection.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: daveg on September 04, 2018, 04:46:32 PM
Tried Colletts again and got to place a pre-order fro the green livery.

Not sure if I should have done that with CoT due from Colin Heard in the next few weeks.

Perhaps I can say the 73 is a late Christmas present!

Dave G

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: talisman56 on September 04, 2018, 06:13:49 PM
To clarify some points in previous posts:

the GM2210201 - E6003 Green model is a JA - Dapol have previously produced this model with the same number and livery as a Special Edition for Signal Box Models (Kent), and as 73 001 in Rail Blue with FYE in the Cargowaggon train set.

the GM2210202 - E6039 Electric Blue is a JB - and is not in Electric Blue. Only E6007-16 were in the early EDL Blue, and that was a different shade of blue to 'Electric' Blue as on the AL series locos on the WCML. The rest of the EDLs (E6017-49) came out in standard BR Rail blue.

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on September 04, 2018, 09:38:15 PM
I’m sure that Photo is in rail blue as the JB doesn’t have a white roof
Bob
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: talisman56 on September 04, 2018, 11:47:41 PM
the GM2210202 - E6039 Electric Blue is a JB - and is not in Electric Blue. Only E6007-16 were in the early EDL Blue, and that was a different shade of blue to 'Electric' Blue as on the AL series locos on the WCML. The rest of the EDLs (E6017-49) came out in standard BR Rail blue.


From E6017 onwards (those outshopped in BR Blue) had the numbers in Rail Alphabet font

This picture is from 1967 showing the numbering of E6039

([url]https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8779/28252045825_d8b8ca2914_o.jpg[/url])
Picture copywrite Chris Mills on Flickr


The Gaugemaster model has the original font used by British Railways


Yes, they've got the number font wrong as well. You have to get photos of your loco at the time you want to model it to get it right. I have a photo of my E6009 in original blue livery and it has British Rail font (as in the E6039 image above) and no double-arrows, hence:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/2626-040918235522.jpeg)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mark on September 05, 2018, 09:11:28 AM
To clarify some points in previous posts:

the GM2210201 - E6003 Green model is a JA - Dapol have previously produced this model with the same number and livery as a Special Edition for Signal Box Models (Kent), and as 73 001 in Rail Blue with FYE in the Cargowaggon train set.

the GM2210202 - E6039 Electric Blue is a JB - and is not in Electric Blue. Only E6007-16 were in the early EDL Blue, and that was a different shade of blue to 'Electric' Blue as on the AL series locos on the WCML. The rest of the EDLs (E6017-49) came out in standard BR Rail blue.

Thanks very much for sharing this information. 

Did any JBs carry Electric Blue with arrows and original BR Font or is the livery a complete (mis)invention?  What about numbers up to E6006? Just wondering if a simple number change might solve the problem or if it needs a new colour and font. 

Mark
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: talisman56 on September 06, 2018, 05:40:58 PM
E6001-06 were JA's and were introduced in Green with grey solebar line, no yellow panel, British Railways Carriage Roundel and British Railways font. E6001 had the yellow panel originally but it was painted out soon after. All of them got SYP later on. They then went straight to Rail Blue with full yellow ends, double arrows and British Rail font at first major overhaul.

E6007-13 (JBs) were introduced in the lighter blue (not Electric Blue, which was even lighter) with grey solebar line, small yellow panel and British Railways font, most of them had double arrows, but E6009 for one had at some time the British Rail font, and no arrows until someone noticed... These later received Rail Blue with full yellow ends and British Rail font.

E6014-49 (JBs) were introduced in Rail Blue with small yellow panel, double arrows and British Rail font, receiving full yellow ends later. E6018 ran experimentally with full yellow ends which wrapped round to the leading edge of the cab door between mid-1967 and mid-1969.

All the EDLs were originally outshopped with roof painted white (or very light grey).

With respect to the Gaugemaster E6039, the image on their webpage looks deep enough to be Rail Blue, which will make it OK, but it needs running numbers in the British Rail font. If it's in the lighter blue, then it needs a grey solebar stripe and can be renumbered to one of E6007/08/10-13, using the same font.

EDIT: I have finally been able to get hold of my reference materials and have been able to calm my querolous mind regarding the cut-off between the livery batches of the JBs. Corrections are in bold above.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Ted on September 06, 2018, 10:43:26 PM
Quick newb question, are GM models manufacturered by them or are they rebodied Dapol or Farish?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: talisman56 on September 06, 2018, 11:16:32 PM
As far as I understand, Gaugemaster have bought the patterns, moulds, etc., off Dapol and are using these to source their own production, or Dapol are using these to manufacture the models on behalf of Gaugemaster.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: RailGooner on September 06, 2018, 11:29:29 PM
Is it not simply a case of Gaugemaster commissioning Dapol to "make me X number of models, of loco Y, in (exclusive to me) livery Z"? :hmmm:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: talisman56 on September 06, 2018, 11:44:03 PM
It could be, but there was an official reply on the Dapol Digest forum which said that while they could produce either variant in OO, in N the JB production were exclusive to Gaugemaster. The follow-up question that Gaugemaster had purchased the JB tooling was not refuted. It appears that this has now been extended to the JAs.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: talisman56 on September 06, 2018, 11:54:49 PM
Some images to illustrate our predicament 50-odd years later, where colour pictures were then a rarity and memories are failing...

E3028 in what I remember as 'Electric Blue' in 1960 - E3050 and the one at the other end are in a darker shade, or a trick of the light?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/93456400@N04/15734898347 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/93456400@N04/15734898347)

E6009 in 1966 - definitely not 'Electric Blue' but is it a lighter version of Rail Blue (see the cab front, which is more the colour I remember as the light EDL blue)?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/2626-060918233226.jpeg)

E6012 in 1967 - note the British Rail font. This looks like Rail Blue, until you see the colour of the 4TC behind it - and that should be in Rail Blue. This photo is very dark.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/2626-060918233524.jpeg)

E6018 in 1967, showing its experimental livery.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/glevumblues/6498743257/in/photostream (https://www.flickr.com/photos/glevumblues/6498743257/in/photostream)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: daveg on September 07, 2018, 12:57:33 PM
KMRC are also offering the 73s.

Here's the green livery version:

http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/60507/GM2210201-Dapol-Class-73-Electro-Diesel-Locomotive-number-E6003 (http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/60507/GM2210201-Dapol-Class-73-Electro-Diesel-Locomotive-number-E6003)

Five quid (ish) more than Colletts.

Dave G
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on September 07, 2018, 02:23:06 PM
Rails are showing £84.50
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: violets49 on September 07, 2018, 04:11:17 PM
Looks like a nice model and the price seems reasonable. (In comparison to other recent models) I was passed by a 73 ambling along the G&PJR in the Glasgow Direction on Wednesday. From whence it came, I know not. Normally they are only seen around Central station or Polmadie. I'll maybe just wait until the 'Caledonian sleeper' version comes out! :)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on January 11, 2019, 04:12:52 PM
Anyone know if Jan 2019 is still on for availability or is it just another Jackanory tale from the manufacturer? My wallet urgently needs to know :worried:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on January 14, 2019, 11:26:38 AM
Anyone know if Jan 2019 is still on for availability or is it just another Jackanory tale from the manufacturer? My wallet urgently needs to know :worried:

I got in touch with Gaugemaster whose response is...............................


    Dear Sir,

    These have now unfortunately been put back to March, whilst we carry out changes and check to ensure the best model we can.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: daveg on January 14, 2019, 11:30:40 AM
Hope they don't keep you waiting Mick but my Royal Alex was very late and I made several 'where is it?' type enquiries over best part of a year. The availability info was from what Dapol had told GM.

Consolation was that it's a really nice loco when it finally did get here and the original price was held.

Dave G
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on January 14, 2019, 11:32:37 AM
I just hope it doesn't whine loudly like 95% of my Dapol locos do, as that just makes me whine loudly :uneasy:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: daveg on January 14, 2019, 11:35:15 AM
I just hope it doesn't whine loudly like 95% of my Dapol locos do, as that just makes me whine loudly :uneasy:

On the positive side, it does save you loads of dosh by not having to add sound to the beastie!  :no:

Dave G
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on January 14, 2019, 11:45:11 AM
That leaves me a loco short for my new layout  :(

I guess I might have to try to convert another old 73 to dcc  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on March 12, 2019, 10:11:17 AM
Anyone know if Jan 2019 is still on for availability or is it just another Jackanory tale from the manufacturer? My wallet urgently needs to know :worried:

I got in touch with Gaugemaster whose response is...............................


    Dear Sir,

    These have now unfortunately been put back to March, whilst we carry out changes and check to ensure the best model we can.


Have been in touch with Gaugemaster again and they say "We have no additional information"
Looks like March will come and go but form your own conclusions.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: daveg on March 12, 2019, 11:29:46 AM
Disappointing and I know how frustrating the extended wait can be.

I think I've mentioned at some point my Royal Alex was months later than even the second or third delivery estimate.

GM wait for Dapol, who wait for .......... Godo, perhaps?

No consolation but it is a very nice loco and I think it's worth hanging on for.

Dave G
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on March 13, 2019, 01:23:43 PM
i have paid up front for 2 of them

if they turn up this year and both run well and have correct livery ill be happy though

i suppose a new tooling 73 will be on the cards in the next 5 or so years as well as manufacturers look around for prototypes that need new spec models and would appeal across a few eras


tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on September 03, 2019, 02:58:47 PM
Just thought I'd bump this topic as we forgot to sing Happy Birthday when the announcement turned one year old  :(
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on September 03, 2019, 03:19:07 PM
I contacted Gaugemaster twice over the last 6 months and they could tell me nothing.
It's all I have come to expect from Dapol (and Farish) ::)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: daveg on September 03, 2019, 04:44:58 PM
Patience is a virtue but ....  :(

My order placed March 2015

Chased a dozen times.

Email from GM in January 2017 to say they'd be holding the original order price (£69.95).

Loco paid for, ergo shipped 22/03/17.

Not long to go now!  :doh:

All the best.

Dave G

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on September 30, 2019, 01:34:10 PM
I contacted Gaugemaster twice over the last 6 months and they could tell me nothing.
It's all I have come to expect from Dapol (and Farish) ::)

Does anyone know anything about this project e.g have Dapol put it in their bloody pipe yet? :veryangry:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Upperton on September 30, 2019, 03:20:35 PM
I contacted Gaugemaster twice over the last 6 months and they could tell me nothing.
It's all I have come to expect from Dapol (and Farish) ::)

Does anyone know anything about this project e.g have Dapol put it in their bloody pipe yet? :veryangry:

I was in the shop on Saturday and did ask about it as one of our members has a blue one on order. Still didn't have a date other than it should be here in the Autumn (on reflection they didn't say which year). Thier in store poster about it still said January 19....
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on September 30, 2019, 09:03:19 PM
Thanks for that. Seeing as it is now autumn I guess your comment about them not stating which year is likely to be proved correct ::)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Upperton on September 30, 2019, 09:54:57 PM
A group of us usually go down there every 4-6 weeks, it's an hours drive from Eastbourne but almost as quick and certainly less hassle than trying to navigate their website, so will keep pestering the sales staff whether they are actually going to be ever released.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on November 18, 2019, 08:08:23 PM
I sent 'em a note regarding the E6039 in Electric Blue which has a "2019" release date. In the very polite reply, Pat said that the "2019" estimate was the best they had. I told 'em that they'd better get their skates on being as it's already November.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on November 18, 2019, 08:31:39 PM
It's probably the right numbers, just not in the right order......... 2091 perhaps?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Upperton on November 23, 2019, 01:42:11 PM
It's probably the right numbers, just not in the right order......... 2091 perhaps?

I visited the shop this morning and tried my best to fathom when these elusive models may be available but left a little more confused.

(https://i.ibb.co/374crzM/20191123-113104.jpg)

The in-store promotional literature has been updated since October. Before it said the model was expected in January 2019, but now there is no release date specified.

I did interrogate a member of staff. The only painted sample of the complete loco, with bogies, is pictured below.

(https://i.ibb.co/Qj3CNVH/GM2210207.jpg)

Which is nice and was likely in his view, to be the first one released. However, this BR Blue 73124 - Catalogue number GM2210207 isn't mentioned on that in-store promotional dream wish list of Class 73s either.  :doh:

To summarise, this phantom BR Blue 73, or any other Class 73 won't be out by Friday and there isn't a firm date we can expect it or any others either.







Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on November 23, 2019, 02:42:21 PM
thanks for update anyway! i have paid for 2 upfront so patiently awaiting them!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: monkey_brains on November 23, 2019, 07:21:48 PM
thanks for update anyway! i have paid for 2 upfront so patiently awaiting them!

Similar story for me - still I'd rather they were right than rushed
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on November 23, 2019, 07:54:42 PM
thanks for update anyway! i have paid for 2 upfront so patiently awaiting them!

Similar story for me - still I'd rather they were right than rushed
Do you think it would be prudent for me to pre-order? I've got a funny feeling that the price is going to go up when they are actually released ...
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: RailGooner on November 23, 2019, 09:23:46 PM
thanks for update anyway! i have paid for 2 upfront so patiently awaiting them!

Similar story for me - still I'd rather they were right than rushed
Do you think it would be prudent for me to pre-order? I've got a funny feeling that the price is going to go up when they are actually released ...

They can still legally raise the price and ask you pay the difference.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on November 23, 2019, 09:49:42 PM
thanks for update anyway! i have paid for 2 upfront so patiently awaiting them!

Similar story for me - still I'd rather they were right than rushed
Do you think it would be prudent for me to pre-order? I've got a funny feeling that the price is going to go up when they are actually released ...

They can still legally raise the price and ask you pay the difference.

I think it's been too long for the price to remain as was. Usually you get a mail along the lines of "the price is now expected to be £***. Should this not be acceptable please cancel your order"
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on November 24, 2019, 09:01:29 AM
I have two on order but I've not paid a penny.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: monkey_brains on November 24, 2019, 11:37:08 AM
Do you think it would be prudent for me to pre-order? I've got a funny feeling that the price is going to go up when they are actually released ...

I've got that feeling too - they are very good value at sub £100 from most retailers
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on November 24, 2019, 03:50:55 PM
I've got that feeling too - they are very good value at sub £100 from most retailers
Rails owe you a commission :) Order placed. I fully expect it in the mail tomorrow  :no:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on November 25, 2019, 10:40:42 AM
i ordered mine from colletts (i think it was) for a competitive price but paid in full

tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on November 25, 2019, 11:54:51 AM
i ordered mine from colletts (i think it was) for a competitive price but paid in full

tim
I've ordered mine from Colletts but I won't be invoiced until he knows they are on their way.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on November 25, 2019, 01:05:09 PM
maybe it was another shop then! crazy isnt it but i cant remember. i had better check in my emails!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: NGS-PO on November 25, 2019, 01:19:51 PM
maybe it was another shop then! crazy isnt it but i cant remember. i had better check in my emails!

Collet's offer the option of paying up front, in instalments, or prior to despatch.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Upperton on February 01, 2020, 04:18:54 PM
I was in the shop this morning and asked if there was any progress in an approximate date when they would know what month or year this new batch of 73s might be released. I was pointed in the direction of the shop manager, who replied with his own question "how long's a piece of string?".

Lovely  :-\ ???

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on February 01, 2020, 09:20:40 PM
We no doubt have to wait for this to be put in the Dapol production pipeline so more a case of 'How long is a pipeline?' I have a green one on pre order but am not holding my breath :no:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on May 11, 2020, 07:58:19 PM
Having just taken delivery of one of the latest Dapol 33's, I'm wondering if part of the delay is that they are re engineering the chassis to take Next 18 sockets? The new 33's chassis is very different to the old one. Given how poor the DCC ready 73 chassis was compared to the old "non ready" chassis, it might, sort of, justify the wait.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on May 12, 2020, 03:30:00 AM
The wait is fine with me. My new layout build is going so slowly I think I'd be embarrased right now if I got my 73 delivered and nowhere to run it.  :)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on May 12, 2020, 09:32:47 AM
Every time I see a post in this thread I think "Great - someone has some news on delivery" and then hopes are dashed. Like the Bulleid pacific I wants it, and I wants it NOW!
Both are long, long overdue :unimpressed:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: bluedepot on May 12, 2020, 09:47:01 AM
if it ever materialises i wonder if it will have next18 decoder socket and independently controlled lights? also maybe with buffer beam details to add on or some other refinements... 


tim
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Skyline2uk on May 12, 2020, 10:27:38 AM
Every time I see a post in this thread I think "Great - someone has some news on delivery" and then hopes are dashed. Like the Bulleid pacific I wants it, and I wants it NOW!
Both are long, long overdue :unimpressed:

Can understand mate, you and I have well documented views on Dapol’s “pipeline” and where they can stick it.....

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on May 12, 2020, 10:41:53 AM
Every time I see a post in this thread I think "Great - someone has some news on delivery" and then hopes are dashed. Like the Bulleid pacific I wants it, and I wants it NOW!
Both are long, long overdue :unimpressed:

Can understand mate, you and I have well documented views on Dapol’s “pipeline” and where they can stick it.....

Skyline2uk

It wouldn't surprise me if there was a 'fragrant' Sean Connery in that pipeline somewhere ;D
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Skyline2uk on May 12, 2020, 10:58:09 AM
 :laughabovepost:

Or Andy Defrain....

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on May 12, 2020, 06:20:11 PM
I emailed Colletts Models (whom I placed my order with) requesting an update, this was their reply:

"Good morning David i have asked the question at Gaugemaster and they are now saying June/July which year is the big question it has been going from one month to the next for ages best regards Leigh"

So it appears there is hope yet!  ;)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on May 12, 2020, 06:26:03 PM
My order is also with Leigh. Nice chap.

I'll diary 2021 then.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on May 12, 2020, 06:29:42 PM
My order is also with Leigh. Nice chap.

I'll diary 2021 then.

I'll second that and surprisingly advertising these Gaugemaster 73's cheaper than Gaugmaster !  :confused1:
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: exmouthcraig on May 12, 2020, 07:00:00 PM
My dads local model shop and got to know Leigh quite well over the last few years.

Usually always very competitive on prices and definitely happy giving him our money, at least he appreciates the sales. Alot more then some!!!!
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on May 12, 2020, 07:26:19 PM
My order is also with Leigh. Nice chap.

I'll diary 2021 then.

I'll second that and surprisingly advertising these Gaugemaster 73's cheaper than Gaugmaster !  :confused1:

Mine is on with Rails - £15 cheaper than Gaugemaster
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on May 12, 2020, 07:37:47 PM
My order is also with Leigh. Nice chap.

I'll diary 2021 then.

I'll second that and surprisingly advertising these Gaugemaster 73's cheaper than Gaugmaster !  :confused1:

Mine is on with Rails - £15 cheaper than Gaugemaster

Mine were about 80 quid each (£79.95 to be exact) how much were they from rails Mick?
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on May 13, 2020, 12:39:19 PM
My order is also with Leigh. Nice chap.

I'll diary 2021 then.

I'll second that and surprisingly advertising these Gaugemaster 73's cheaper than Gaugmaster !  :confused1:

Mine is on with Rails - £15 cheaper than Gaugemaster

Mine were about 80 quid each (£79.95 to be exact) how much were they from rails Mick?

£84.95, Dave
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on May 13, 2020, 01:47:49 PM
@Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264)

You still got a good bargain Mick Gaugemaster are asking £99.95 each for them! (GM2210205) Also I would imagine the value has risen quite a bit as well.

You watch no doubt someone will get 500 quid for one on ebay as soon as they are avaliable!  ::)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on May 13, 2020, 01:56:07 PM
I ordered from Gaugemaster when they were announced but, of course, the forum led me to the cheaper price so I switched. Of course, the price may yet go up before it emerges from 'the pipeline' :uneasy:

https://railsofsheffield.com/products/36505/gaugemaster-collection-gm2210201-n-gauge-class-73-e6003-br-green-diesel-locomotive
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on May 13, 2020, 02:34:29 PM
@Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264)

I don't think they can do that if they have taken your credit card details.  Although the transaction does not deduct any money from your account at the time of placing your order, it is still classified as a sale and at the original purchase price.

Some years back I bought the Southern class 73's from GM and they took forever to come through also, in fact in the time period I was issued a new credit card so they had to ask for the new number, still sold to me for the original price.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on May 13, 2020, 03:12:09 PM
@Mr Sprue (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2668)
Dave - things take so long to come through after announcement that it must be almost impossible to hold any price and, in fact, I would not expect them to. If you look at the link to Rails they offer a price guarantee but that is only to the effect they will offer between a 15-25% discount on full RRP.
I will be pleasantly surprised if the price remains as stated, but will be paying via credit vouchers (not that they know that at the moment) :)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: daveg on May 13, 2020, 04:58:36 PM
It was a fair while back now and times have changed but have to say that GM did a great job and held the original order price dated March 2015 despite a humungous wait for delivery in Feb 2017.

May be worth asking the question if not already done so.

Good luck.

Dave G
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on May 13, 2020, 06:29:18 PM
It was a fair while back now and times have changed but have to say that GM did a great job and held the original order price dated March 2015 despite a humungous wait for delivery in Feb 2017.

May be worth asking the question if not already done so.

Good luck.

Dave G

Yes in 2015 I placed an order with them for DAGM234 Class 73's and two years later then Walla! They eventually sent me the invoice for the original purchase price.....which may I add promptly paid. :)
 
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: RailGooner on July 30, 2020, 10:12:48 AM
Hattons via email:

Quote
Gaugemaster have advised that their new batch of Class 73s in N gauge, produced in partnership with Dapol, have now entered the evaluation stage. Below you can take a look at the pre-production painted bodyshell samples. Seven new variations are to be available,with liveries covering the lifespan of these unusual locomotives. We expect these models to arrive in stock by November/ December 2020.

https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=860&utm_campaign=mar-0691-gaugemastercollectionclass73samples&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Klaviyo&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJpZ29vbmVyQGdteC5jb20iLCAia2xfY29tcGFueV9pZCI6ICJKR1FlWGgifQ%3D%3D (https://www.hattons.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?id=860&utm_campaign=mar-0691-gaugemastercollectionclass73samples&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Klaviyo&_ke=eyJrbF9lbWFpbCI6ICJpZ29vbmVyQGdteC5jb20iLCAia2xfY29tcGFueV9pZCI6ICJKR1FlWGgifQ%3D%3D)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on July 30, 2020, 10:25:16 AM
Yes but they still cant post the right picture of E6039 !!!
Nice to see another in Banger Blue for once.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: ntpntpntp on July 30, 2020, 10:25:16 AM
I'm surprised the market can stand so many models of the 73 being produced over the years, I thought after they first came out there was a glut of unsold models? Have they now become a classic and folk have to have as many different examples as possible?

As a model I do like them actually, quite compact and with clean lines.  As many on here will know already, European N is my thing but I confess to having 4 of the original chassis 73s (acquired as part of a job lot of non-runners for £10, all now restored to health) plus a CJM Royal Alex  :D

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on July 30, 2020, 10:52:03 AM

Due January 2019! Next year! :claphappy:

Looks like Dapol have had a Leap Year i.e. we'll leap 2019 and most of 2020.
That 'pipeline' must be of an extremely small bore ::)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on July 30, 2020, 11:23:24 AM
Looking forward to these, anything electric makes me sit up and pay attention :drool:

I had one of the original releases way back (quite possibly the first 'modern' N loco I bought?) but was never impressed by the very purple shade of NSE blue, so it went on ebay in the end.

I'm not pre-ordering any of the new ones, I'm waiting to see which liveries I find acceptable this time around 8)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Steven B on July 30, 2020, 11:27:30 AM
Are there many liveries that have yet to be done? All I can think of is Mersey Rail.

Steven B.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Bob G on July 30, 2020, 12:23:19 PM
Are there many liveries that have yet to be done? All I can think of is Mersey Rail.

Steven B.

There are umpteen different versions of Inter City - and both that have been done (Woking Homes by Dapol AND Broadlands by Gaugemaster) were technically wrong and you couldn't sit each together as they looked so different side by side!

Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on August 22, 2020, 07:34:41 AM
Sorry I just cant let this go, so had to post to keep this thread active!

Does anyone have any further updates or has the can been kicked further down the road again?  ::)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on August 22, 2020, 09:42:25 AM
I asked the same question on the Dapol 'Digest' forum about a week ago but, needless to say, there's been no response ::)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Stuart7358 on August 22, 2020, 10:15:17 AM
I asked Gaugemaster yesterday and received the following;

'I apologise that the date has been pushed back, we are currently looking at the end of the year for delivery.'

This seems to tie in with the comment above regarding November/December delivery.

Stuart
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Newportnobby on August 22, 2020, 10:38:15 AM
It's not as if it's a new model. Re-liveried is all. Seems like the Westerns for Cheltenham Model Centre and Osborns may have been pushed in before it and they're only re-liveries too.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: GrahamB on August 22, 2020, 04:26:28 PM
Personally I'm hoping that they realised they needed to rework the chassis. They reworked the 33 chassis for the Next18 decoder, perhaps they're doing the same.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Mr Sprue on August 22, 2020, 08:06:44 PM
It's not as if it's a new model. Re-liveried is all. Seems like the Westerns for Cheltenham Model Centre and Osborns may have been pushed in before it and they're only re-liveries too.

Bang on there Mick, if it was new tooling being made I could sort of go along with delay, basically its a change of colour and tampo printing pads!

Maybe there is a new chassis being made based on CJM's Saturn, now that would be well worth the wait !  :)
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on August 23, 2020, 02:41:33 AM
Personally I'm hoping that they realised they needed to rework the chassis. They reworked the 33 chassis for the Next18 decoder, perhaps they're doing the same.
That would be nice. If I end up waiting two years or more for an old model, albeit in BR Blue with a pre-TOPS number I might not be quite so excited. I do have a reworked 33 (from CR Signals, sound fitted, what a beauty!) and it looks tremendous, so here's hoping.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Capri_sam on August 23, 2020, 09:24:51 AM
In fairness I asked about these in February on the digest and they said new deco samples were out soon - then covid hit. As soon as it loosens up, Gaugemaster start posting said samples on their Instagram account. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and say that Covid got in the way for the last few months.

That doesn't explain the year+ (or is it two?) delay beforehand, though. Perhaps the pre-orders have been sluggish so it's gone to the back of the pile?

It seems that e6039 may have been dropped too unless the deco sample has been delayed. There was no mention of it on Instagram.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: LASteve on August 23, 2020, 04:13:21 PM
It seems that e6039 may have been dropped too unless the deco sample has been delayed. There was no mention of it on Instagram.
The deco sample for E6039 has never been seen, although the description has always referenced its own SKU and description. For some reason it's always the 73134 sample that is shown. 73126 and the green E6003 are also missing from the Instagram photo, but still listed at Hatton's, for example.
Title: Re: Gaugemaster Collection: Class 73's
Post by: Capri_sam on August 23, 2020, 06:24:42 PM
It seems that e6039 may have been dropped too unless the deco sample has been delayed. There was no mention of it on Instagram.
The deco sample for E6039 has never been seen, although the description has always referenced its own SKU and description. For some reason it's always the 73134 sample that is shown. 73126 and the green E6003 are also missing from the Instagram photo, but still listed at Hatton's, for example.

There is a photo of E6003 on their instagram account - although it doesn't look any different to the old version previously shown to be honest!
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