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Title: North Derbyshire Raliways
Post by: trevis on August 12, 2018, 02:32:58 PM
A number of years ago I decided to get back into modelling after dabbling as a kid. I got a fair distance in terms of planning and boardwork, but then various things overtook me and it was all put on hold.

In the past 5 years I have demolished one actual, real, full size house, built another on the same site and laid down a formal Japanese landscape, so it's not as if I've been sitting around, but rather just not a lot of time or space for modelling or railways. The North Derbyshire is based around the world of my mother and father, from Chesterfield down to Langwith Junction. Who knows maybe even to Lincoln.

I have now got the baseboards back out and it has given me a chance to refocus and correct things that were simply not right on the first try. Particularly ensuring my gradients were not the equivalent of driving up a cliff face   ::)  So this has meant ripping up all the track and revising my grand plans into something a little more realistic. A bit of a shame as I had gone a reasonable way down the track (pardon the pun) to building the landforms and laying all the rail. But I am sure this will be much better. And, I'm not building another house in the next 20yrs so I figure I have a good opportunity to get it all settled and tinker onwards...

Still some hills, rivers, valleys and tunnels and the same basic 40s/50s coalfields location, but with a renewed vigour to get a working layout in place. The track bases are now in place and I am working on my first landscaping points. It's amazing how simply putting down the wire frames gives an entirely new sense of the lay of the land.

I had been blogging this into another site over the past couple of months, but have decided to bring it over here as it seems to be a much more active community, and may both motivate and advise. Therefore, in the interests of being able to get it all in one place, perhaps I can have the indulgence of reposting a number of items over a few weeks that paint the picture.

So, here we go...


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Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: sp1 on August 12, 2018, 02:38:21 PM
That looks like a very good start.
Title: Land Ho!
Post by: trevis on August 12, 2018, 02:40:13 PM
Finished 2017 with a bang.

Got the bulk of the wireframes in place, on one half anyway. Still have all my fingers, but blood has definitely been spilled from more than one finger. Wire is not always a friend.

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So, full of renewed enthusiasm thought I would give plastering a crack. How hard could it be? Turns out not that hard at all! I had been putting it off for no good reason. I was worried that the plaster cloth I bought six years ago would have lost its zing, but seems as good as new, although it was still in its original sealed plastic bag.

Managed to get the first layer down over the field that runs down to the river. The cloth is fairly easy to work once damp. A light damping, lay in place, then smooth out with wet fingers to activate and distribute the plaster.

Just as I thought, the first solid ground gives real life to the layout, albeit looking a bit like siberia in the middle of winter until we add a touch of colour to the anaemia. And it's not taking long to dry either in this 35C weather. Be ready for a second layer in no time.

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The drop at the edge of the bridge looks a bit odd in the pic, but it isn't just a sudden drop, just a bend in the river.

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Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: BramptonBranch on August 12, 2018, 02:40:55 PM
Horns Bridge? the Central, Midland or Market Place? including Tube works Markham's and Brampton Branch...

Sorry but I'm a town lad after all, one day maybe an attempt at a part of the Brampton branch, station up to Queens Park....with a 4F propelling its train at a steady trundle....Happy days.
Title: The Hills are alive
Post by: trevis on August 12, 2018, 02:43:20 PM
Not with the sound of music however, as much as random expletives. Some trying times as I find out not all plaster cloth is created equal. The first lot I had purchased awhile back from somewhere in Queensland was a dream, quite a firm gauze and probably not as much plaster. This made it easy to handle, it kept its shape after wetting and allowed fairly simply placement. The second lot I purchased from Jacksons art supplies is a really weak gauze and what appears to be much more plaster. The result of which is something that turns to a wet mush when it is even in the same room as any source of moisture, making it very difficult to handle and place. The tradeoff being that if by some minor miracle you do manage to place it effectively, you get a much better coverage and very few evident holes in the gauze.

The first layer is now complete on the first baseboard, with a second layer over about a third.
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A sense of scenery now starting to provide the possibilities. Can't wait to get this bit finished and add a bit of colour and texture. I like the way the plaster/wire hills are starting to turn out. I think some textured paint over the top will really add some life.
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Title: Terraforming and other bruises
Post by: trevis on August 12, 2018, 02:45:49 PM
Finished the plastering on the mainboard with a second layer across the lot, which has added a definite solidity to the ground. I will apply a layer of flexible acrylic textured paint to at least the natural areas to protect the plaster, but not just yet. I am keen to commence painting, but decided it makes more sense to get all of the plastering out of the way given the amount of mess it makes (ie. dust). No point in painting only to have the equivalent of a volcanic eruption all over everything. Therefore, today I started the wireframes on the second board. Because I have two distinct boards that I want to be able to pull apart for possible transportation I am overlapping the hill forms rather than trying get a perfect fit. I reckon this will make it dead easy to pull the boards apart and reattach.

The two modules are connected via clamp beneath and ideally that will remain the only key linkage (other than wiring bus).

Forms in place for wireframes
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The wireframe overlap, including the beginnings of a tunnel. Once happy I will lay the tracks through the "underground" space and then run a blackened cardboard tube into the hill form. I don't expect you will be able to see into much of the tunnel body, but if you can I don't want people seeing the underside of the wireframe.
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I also have started up on a few kits I have had stashed away for a number of years. I know a lot of people don't like them, but I really think the Metcalfe models provide a top notch starting point. I will take the basic kit form and then add my own touches to them when I am ready to place them. Things like the white edge joints are easily overcome as part of the aging process.
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Title: Underground, overground Wombling free
Post by: trevis on August 12, 2018, 02:48:47 PM
Put in some effort on the second board in the 38C heat. Not only hot, but a nasty cyclone passing north bringing rain. Bleh. However, the aim was to get the wireframe on the tunnel area, and it took a little time, but seems to have come together.

With the southern half of the frame already laid I started off by painting the track bed black and laying a length of underlay. I use the Trackrite foam underlay made here in Australia. It is really adaptable and allows you to bend it around corners without leaving any kinks, just a spot of PVC. I am not going to be able to get in there easily once the wire and plaster is on, so this was important to get laid correctly. My aim is to ballast into the tunnel as far in as I can once it is ready to have tracks laid. The two tracks will be single 900mm lengths with the droppers at one end or the other outside the tunnel. Laying the tracks now the underlay is in place will be easy. A good feature of the Trackrite is the very small lip it has either side of the track bed, meaning tracks tend to fall into place (on straight bits at any rate). I only glued down the bit in the actual tunnel, leaving the two ends loose until I start laying track.

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While the underlay was drying I put together a cardboard form and painted the inside black to form the actual tunnel. Once all dry slipped in into the space and put a few drops of PVC to secure it in place. The tunnel mouth isn't fixed yet, just trying it out for size.

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Then I set about cutting and shaping a couple of bits of foam to sit on top of the tunnel to give some stability to the hill above. Probably didn't need this but it ensured a fairly flat area on one side at least. Glued those in place and then laid out the second wireframe, leaving me just a few small areas before I can roll out the plaster and get onto much more exciting things.

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And finally whilst the heat forces us into the house, with either cricket or other mindless possibilities on TV, I set about another building. This time a bog standard butcher for one of the towns. Obviously, still requiring touchups.

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Title: Winter is coming
Post by: trevis on August 12, 2018, 02:51:22 PM
I think all the plaster is now done, second board included. There are still lots of small gaps, but I will fill these with foam and filler. It means the trackwork could be started. Just painting the gray ground for the track beds will be a big psychological boost. Took awhile to get here but I am happy with the end terraforming. It has given me quite natural rolling countryside with plenty of variation.
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You can probably see the join between the hills of the two boards. Looks pretty chasm-like at the moment, but I am confident I can hide it away with scenery and still maintain the complete separate nature of the two. I know there are many varied means of joining boards and there are lots of advantages and disadvantages to each, but we'll give it a go and see where we end up.
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I was a little concerned about how easy it would be to get the tunnel entrances right, but they have so far turned out nicely, just a bit of gap filling required around the edges
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Title: Winter is going
Post by: trevis on August 12, 2018, 02:54:30 PM
Finally got all of my plaster cloth down after a restful sojourn in my home away from home in Japan, knee deep in powdery snow.

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So I got to work laying down some base colour and texture on the plaster, for a couple of reasons. Firstly to start to bring it to life, but secondly to prevent the plaster from starting to flake away and break down. Rather than faffing about with additives I went with a premixed textured paint, in this case sandstone effect. Yes it costs a little more, but a one litre tin did this whole layout with recoat and probably 20% left. Sandstone was the finest grain texture they had, which worked well for N scale. Unfortunately because it's designed to match the rock it only comes in one colour. Would've been nice to be able to add a tint. However, that colour basically matched the colour of MDF and plywood, so it did provide an immediate sense of "wow". Ignore the first attempt near the paint tin, once I got the hang of it the end effect is a nice, even grainy surface.

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I did one full layer of the paint and then spot double layer where the plaster cloth was still showing any holes. It really gives you a sense of getting somewhere towards the terraforming completion. It went from a full on Siberian winter scene to Desert Storm in about an hour.

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Once dried I then have started adding some colour, sponging on firstly a light brown, and then a dark green/brown. I'm very pleased with the results so far, even though it's just a beginning. The sponged effect over the textured paint has given a real depth to the ground form. Don't forget, you won't see hardly any of the ground in the final product, so perfection is not required. I think I will add another one or two shades of base colour before then applying any appropriate groundcovers. I have left the urban areas clear at the moment as I think they are less likely to have that grainy textured feel. I will build that up as I determine exactly what's going where. Likewise the river is left untouched because that will require special treatement. Sometimes you do something quite simple and you feel like you have made a massive leap forward.

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Title: Tunnel of love
Post by: trevis on August 12, 2018, 02:57:49 PM
This was all about putting in the final infrastructure (as much as anything in this infernal hobby can be considered final  :P  ). In this case it is the rear "hidden" fiddle yard platform behind the background. Pretty straightforward - a few brackets and two long bits of pine. That provided the ledge. Then I had to tunnel into the structural pine supports at both ends to create entry and exit tunnels. The theory being that I am not only creating a yard, but also a hidden path for locos to run. They will run the full length of the layout, which should provide a real sense of an unknown train appearing out of nowhere once they arrive.

At the town (Chesterfield) end I am contructing an elevated piece of townscape that will sit above the tunnel entrance. Just provides a bit more interest and differing elevations, plus more efficient use of space. You can see the tunnel opening at the very back. I will add some red brick retaining wall to seal it off, and probably a footbridge between the two heights. I hope to leave it as a freestanding section so I can simply pick it up if required to salvage any derailments, There's also a long station platform yet to come in the centre of the tracks.

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At the other village (Whaley Thorns) end it will be a simple tunnel entrance that just needs to be built up around the stone mouth. There will likely be two short rail sections in the adjacent pit.

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Then at the rear I will locate both my controller, plus a range of track layout, with one mainline running right the way along.

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Title: Fat Controller
Post by: trevis on August 12, 2018, 02:59:18 PM
Well it's only taken around 5 years I reckon, but I have finally taken my controller back out of the box and found a permanent space for it. And it still works! Now I have my rear fiddle yard space I want to be able to control everything from the rear.

Initially I thought to run the through line as close as possible to the backboard and place the controller in front of it. However, on reflection and in order to minimise the curves and maximise the space for track I went the complete opposite.

My main concern was then accidentally knocking a train off as I controlled the show, so I needed a little tunnel, or cover, in front of the controller. Worked out quite nicely. Who knows I may even have at length of powered, working track up soon. No sense in rushing things....

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A couple of brackets to hold it all steady, and then a couple of pieces of MDF to make the shelter. Liquid Nails is magical stuff. Now I can create some additional trackwork out the back (eg. programming track, holding lines, etc.)

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Title: Riding the bus
Post by: trevis on August 12, 2018, 03:00:50 PM
Miracle of miracles, I have had a train actually running on my layout! Yes, it was only along one foot of track, yes, it stuttered a little because it hasn't been run for 5 years, but I'll take it as a win...

I reconnected the bus wires to the new controller location. I have setup two bus wires that run around each of the two baseboards. I can now use inline wire connectors to patch in the track droppers as I put them in place. These are all joined back at a connector block.

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Although I have owned a soldering iron for the past 40 years I have never been able to make effective joins. It is one of those skills that has eluded me. So  I took a piece of scrap track and did some practice. I also watched a number of videos and actually listened to the tips. This necessitated a trip to the electronics store to pick up some flux, magic hands and assorted other useful stuff. And whaddya know, in an hour I am soldering like a champion, making neat joins first time. Probably should've put in the practice a couple of decades ago.

I am soldering the droppers to the bottom of the rails and then placing a single small hole in the centre of the track bed through which they are fed under to the bus. I did have some connectors that would happily take two droppers into them, but the new ones I managed to get hold of can only take one each. I would rather cut into the bus wires as little as possible, so I will have to search out some of the larger ones.

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Title: Cleaning the rails
Post by: trevis on August 12, 2018, 03:03:16 PM
A lot of rail work going on. I have been recycling a lot of the track I pulled off the original layout, which had been sitting in a storage unit for a couple of years. I managed to hook most of them into the main bus. So far my levels seem to present no problems to my one working loco pulling a few carriages.

However, I have now been cleaning the rails up as there was a lot of stuttering and dead spots. I have taken a very fine sanding blcok to the rails and they immediately turned gleaming bright with only one or two passes. This has aided the running immensely, although there are still some dodgy areas that require a little work. Likewise one of the point areas is both not quite aligned and not quite as clean as it could be, so a bit more endeavour required there.

All in all though I am now further forward than I had been on the previous layout, with a pretty good moving train along the tracks. So I take that as a big win and a motivator to keep keeping on. Next effort will be getting track through the main tunnel and getting that girder bridge fixed in place. Not sure whether the river should be filled with "water" first though.

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Title: The yards redux
Post by: trevis on August 12, 2018, 03:05:02 PM
I have laid a lot of track and connected a lot of droppers. The last section to work on to this point was the yards (or Langwith Junction). In its heyday its was a hopping place.

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I am going for a modest pseudo re-creation, with enough lines to keep wagons stacked up in public view, but without some of the additional more intricate trackwork. Who knows it may develop over time. I doing this on the run. Six lines going in with room for a seventh if required. It may even be possible to run it back through to the mainline on the very outer line once I get it in. Not sure if it's necessary or even possible. Onwards and upwards, with each session in the workshop a new learning experience.

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Looking back, five years ago on the first attempt at a similar layout this is what the yards were looking like. It's similar, but I do believe I have actually moved forward!

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Title: Making tracks
Post by: trevis on August 12, 2018, 03:07:09 PM
Which brings it to today. Had a bit of time off this week and spent it avoiding the cold and rain by laying tracks. Pleased to say I now have all the core rails now down and wired. And what's more I have trains running on all of them quite smoothly. The final piece of the puzzle was the colliery lines. Had a minor conniption when I turned the power back on after connecting the droppers to the three new lines and got a power conflict. Took a little while but I narrowed it down to one line which is now isolated. My only guess is that some glue under the rails is still damp and forming a short circuit. I will wait it out for a day and see if it remains. Other than that I can now concentrate on the modelling, which is to me the more interesting part of the game. I have a mountain of scenic items to construct, starting with the Chesterfield townsite.

With trains running there are still some lumps and bumps that need ironing out. A little filing here, soldering there, gluing. She'll be right mate, good as a bought one.


I have some DCC Concepts SS turnout motors on their way to prevent me having to shuffle rapidly around the layout to set points. Whilst this keeps me fit, it is an activity I would rather avoid.

One of the issues that some will no doubt see is the use of a wye style layout, that causes short circuits of the power bus. How have I overcome this. At the moment it is limited to some insulating fish plates at two key points. I also have an old PSX-AR that I will hopefully get around to installing to cater for the auto reverse conflict. For the time being the straight piece of track running at the right of the wye is inactive. But looks nice  :D  Likewise, there is an uninstalled through line/siding from the yards back to the mainline. All catered for, just haven't connected it up yet.

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In the meantime, proof that we have movement at the station.


Whilst I was busily running back and forth from controller to switches to derailments, I thought maybe there was some help to be had with my phone. Low and behold there is an app on Play Store that allows me to control my ECOS remotely! Probably old news to most people, but a world of difference to me that saves having to buy a remote cab. Works a treat with locos and switches - ECOS Controller by Erkan Valentin. And it's free... Love those kind of bargains.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: weave on August 12, 2018, 04:23:58 PM
G'day trevis,

Welcome to the Forum.

Thank you for sharing your lovely looking layout. Hope you didn't have to write all of that out again.

Looks really good and looking forward to more.

Hope you have fun on here.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: PeteW on August 12, 2018, 08:17:32 PM
Heck of a way to say hello  :D. But so far, so awesome!
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: daveg on August 12, 2018, 08:42:30 PM
Looking great!  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: bluedepot on August 12, 2018, 08:49:10 PM
nice layout! i just subscribed to you on youtube.


tim
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Newportnobby on August 12, 2018, 09:35:54 PM
That's one helluva introduction, Trevis, but comprehensive and full of method details. Please.....don't use anything abrasive on the track as it just allows crud to accumulate more easily and could leave fine dust which will get into your loco motors. I would suggest some form of track cleaning wagon you can use IPA (Iso Propyl Alcohol) with, especially as this will allow you to clean through your hidden track parts.
I've travelled to Chesterfield often on business so can't wait to see if you'll be modelling the famous spire :D
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Train Waiting on August 12, 2018, 09:56:35 PM
Absolutely fascinating; thank you very much.

John
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: RailGooner on August 12, 2018, 10:47:38 PM
Welcome aboard Trevis! :wave:  :wonderfulmodelling: :greatpicturessign: Just had a quick scan through for now - have to go back for a thorough read later.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: tunneroner61 on August 12, 2018, 10:53:33 PM
Sorry to be a party pooper but the trains in the video are running the wrong way round. For British outline on a 'roundy roundy' the outer track goes clockwise the inner one anti clockwise. Known as left hand running.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on August 13, 2018, 12:10:07 PM
Sorry to be a party pooper but the trains in the video are running the wrong way round. For British outline on a 'roundy roundy' the outer track goes clockwise the inner one anti clockwise. Known as left hand running.

There you go,  I've already learned something! Truth be known in test phase I'm just happy that they are running on rails and not falling on the floor.  :D

Although,  given the mainline is ultimately a figure 8 the train moves between inside track and outside track. Not sure where that leaves me.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on August 13, 2018, 12:15:18 PM
I've travelled to Chesterfield often on business so can't wait to see if you'll be modelling the famous spire :D

I have thought about the spire, I'll see if I can adapt the Metcalfe church some ways down the track. Haven't done any scratch building to date, but there's always a first time.
Title: Manning the barricades
Post by: trevis on August 16, 2018, 02:54:28 PM
It's always like Christmas when a parcel from Hattons arrives in the Antipodes. Not only that but a long awaited parcel from Metcalfe arrived the same day! I can see my nights being fully blocked out for awhile now.

Of note, a 12 pack of DCC Concepts SS turnout motors, some Peco Shirebrook Colliery wagons and the shops and retaining walls for the false tunnel up the Bolsover/Chesterfield end. As well as a load of additional scenic items.

So tonight was all about getting the walls in place to create a bit of solidity to the somewhat anemic upper townsite.

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Ran a strip of stiff card around the outside to give the walls something to grip. Primarily because they won't be running dead straight, but on a slight bend to create the curve.

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A quick test fit and trimming of some overly long edges and I was good to stick it down. I like the effect. Obviously still a lot of touchups to do, but they can wait until I have the whole upper deck ready for final trim. And of course needs an interior at least to the first couple of inches of tunnel.

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I am hoping to put in a footbridge from the base of the station up to the top deck to create some connectivity, as well as a road coming down along the backdrop edge.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: daveg on August 16, 2018, 03:48:20 PM
Looks a very neat job.  :thumbsup:

All sorts of options for tunnel entrances/mouths but have a look at this site that offers a huge range of brick styles and types: http://www.paperbrick.co.uk/ (http://www.paperbrick.co.uk/)

Look forward to your next update.

Dave G
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: tunneroner61 on August 16, 2018, 07:12:39 PM
<Although,  given the mainline is ultimately a figure 8 the train moves between inside track and outside track. Not sure where that leaves me. >

If you imagine yourself standing between the two tracks then trains on the left track will come from behind you and trains on the right track will come towards you. This is true for a simple roundy roundy, a figure 8 or any other circuit type you could imagine.

Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Newportnobby on August 16, 2018, 09:56:59 PM
<Although,  given the mainline is ultimately a figure 8 the train moves between inside track and outside track. Not sure where that leaves me. >

If you imagine yourself standing between the two tracks then trains on the left track will come from behind you and trains on the right track will come towards you. This is true for a simple roundy roundy, a figure 8 or any other circuit type you could imagine.

And then expect to be arrested by the Transport Police :D
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Bealman on August 17, 2018, 12:11:47 AM
G'day from the east coast, Trevis, and welcome to the NGF!  :thumbsup:

As others have said, that was one introduction! I found it interesting that track laying was one of the last things on the agenda! Quite unusual.

Any chance of a track plan, please?
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on August 17, 2018, 02:43:20 AM
G'day from the east coast, Trevis, and welcome to the NGF!  :thumbsup:

As others have said, that was one introduction! I found it interesting that track laying was one of the last things on the agenda! Quite unusual.

Any chance of a track plan, please?

Yes, I can see how ppl might think that. A few reasons, come to mind, all excuses for my somewhat laissez faire approach to it all, and the "she'll be right" philosophy. Number one, this layout is based loosely on my previous attempt, which was planned out quite detailed in software, so I had a good idea of where I was headed; Secondly, my primary attraction has generally been more on the scenic elements than the trains - heretic! (not to take anything away from that, as they certainly provide life and entertainment); and finally, the plan is still developing as I go and think of different things to plop in. I didn't want to spend a year designing the perfect track layout before I got to the enjoyable part (for me at least) of building my little world. I can always rip it apart and start again  :D

I'm under no illusions that my way will lead to more rework, cost and failures, but it also allows me to just keep taking it somewhere else as the mood fits, and provide constant surprises to myself. I hear cries of "anarchy!" from the backbenches. But, I'm just learning, so I happy to try things out and make mistakes.

I will see if I can put together a revised track plan soon.

Cheers
TC
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on August 17, 2018, 02:47:22 AM
Looks a very neat job.  :thumbsup:

All sorts of options for tunnel entrances/mouths but have a look at this site that offers a huge range of brick styles and types: [url]http://www.paperbrick.co.uk/[/url] ([url]http://www.paperbrick.co.uk/[/url])



Thanks Dave, that site looks just the ticket for a whole range of projects!

TC
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Newportnobby on August 17, 2018, 09:34:13 AM
A 'freestyle approach' like this is going to be very interesting. Most of us hate doing things twice so please keep us posted of both successes and failures.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Innovationgame on August 17, 2018, 09:44:42 AM
A 'freestyle approach' like this is going to be very interesting. Most of us hate doing things twice so please keep us posted of both successes and failures.
I quite like the idea.  I'm doing some things for at least the third time.  The problem with detailed planning before putting pen to paper, so to speak, is that when you get it all down, you find that it's not quite what you intended or that it doesn't work in the way you thought it would.  So carry on and learn by your mistakes, like the rest of us!   :beers:
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Bealman on August 17, 2018, 09:50:54 AM
I started at one end of the garage wall, with a reverse plan of Peter Denny's Leighton Buzzard, and worked me way around the other walls from there, making it up as I went!

Not exactly good planning!  :worried:
Title: Wye is it so?
Post by: trevis on August 20, 2018, 11:52:23 AM
Quite a bit to report from this weekend. Made a few more little models. Connected up the PSX-AR, and added in the siding attached to the Langwith Junction yards.

The PSX-AR had been lying in a dusty old box on a shelf for years so I had little hopes of any success. Not much to configure for basic auto reversing operations - plug in the DCC bus on one side and plug in the isolated track on the other. Turned on the power, LEDs fire up, run a train, bingo, straight through, no shorts! Bombproof.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1880/44151034001_86ae9f3c20_c.jpg)

Due to terrain some of the siding has underlay and some does not. Won't matter once the ballasting goes in, and the track is not moving anywhere fast now it is glued down. Sadly this has created another Wye I fear. It's certainly created a short at any event. I will have to hook it up to the PSX-AR and see if I need another reverser or if there is something more sinister at play. However, with both ends of the sidings open it runs fine and the train with full carriage load happily chugs up the hill.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1863/44103034232_7d0dd382fe_c.jpg)


Also importantly I bought a printer. I have been relying on the kindness of strangers, but sadly the lasers don't have the detail I require. So, $50 later I have the stupendous clarity of an Epson ink jet. You can see it in the promo posters I have put on the Cinema. The size of the little fingernail, but still able to be read.

On a more sombre note I realise that I cannot do Chesterfield justice, for a couple of reasons. Primarily the Market St Station was a big terminus and I don't have the space for it just yet. So I am changing tack and making that end Bolsover, which makes much more sense geographically. It's also the town my dad grew up in. The pit is right there, the Carr Vale "viaduct" space is there, the tunnel entrance is there, and I have some room for the model village.

I can say with authority that they did have a Plaza cinema, however without a photo I can also be fairly certain it wasn't as grand as the one I have on show... Minor detail.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1882/29213667797_89f76844cd_b.jpg)

And so we progress.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Drakken on August 20, 2018, 01:44:08 PM
Such an enjoyable thread to read, Looking forward to many more updates. Everything looks so very well thought out and can't wait to see the hills or are they fields getting worked on. Phenomenal layout subscribed  :beers:

Ooo & a Youtube channel to go along with it  :)

I agree with @Newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) cleaning the track rather than fine sanding it is a better approach. I have personally caused 'divets' in the track from over cleaning using a fine sandpaper on a previous layout.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on August 20, 2018, 01:50:35 PM
Such an enjoyable thread to read, Looking forward to many more updates. Everything looks so very well thought out and can't wait to see the hills or are they fields getting worked on. Phenomenal layout subscribed  :beers:

Hah! I'm a big picture guy, so the concept is very well considered. The detail however, not so much, and I fear that's where the downfalls shall come.  :D
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Drakken on August 20, 2018, 02:03:07 PM
From the work you have don't so far I've got a feeling the detail won't be a downfall on this layout  :beers:
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: chrispearce on August 21, 2018, 03:39:04 AM
I have only just seen this thread. By 'eck it's looking good! :D
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: chrispearce on August 21, 2018, 11:11:30 PM
May I enquire as to the dimensions of this layout?

I also see right back at the start of this wonderful thread that the underside of the layout is solid ie: you started with flat boards and built up from that rather than using a open-frame approach. How do you operate points? Unless I am being dim this means having to make holes in the bottom layer of board underneath all your terrain. Isn't this a bit difficult to do?
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on August 22, 2018, 01:20:19 AM
May I enquire as to the dimensions of this layout?

I also see right back at the start of this wonderful thread that the underside of the layout is solid ie: you started with flat boards and built up from that rather than using a open-frame approach. How do you operate points? Unless I am being dim this means having to make holes in the bottom layer of board underneath all your terrain. Isn't this a bit difficult to do?

There are two 2400mm x 1200mm units locked into an L shape, so 3600mm at its longest and 1200mm deep along the entirety (other than the corner diagonal of course). I have already been thinking about adding another module to the end  :worried: I have been piecing together a bit of a rough track layout diagram in my spare time. But sadly I don't have any... (time, that is)

As for the construction, I am always guilty of over-engineering, be it a garden shed or an n-gauge layout. Nothing will ever fall apart, but likewise it can often take two cranes to lift things whereas a wiser man might have been able to construct them for a young girl to manoeuvre solo. That being said, the layout frames are made out of structural pine and marine grade plywood. They are then simply bolted onto some standard workbench frames from Bunnings. I am happy to cut into the plywood if necessary to create underboard access where necessary, but I so far haven't need any.

Having now laid down just about all the track I want, and every piece has droppers, I have been quite lucky and have been able to drill through without hitting any of the structural supports. Therefore, one drill hole into the plaster cloth which then just continues through to the plywood. By tapping the track bed before putting on the droppers I have been able to hear where the supports sit (hollow v thud) and place them accordingly.

A couple of times it has taken a couple of goes to push the second dropper through the same hole in the plywood because I am doing it by feel, but in general they have just gone straight through.

Points did concern me I won't lie  :D because I have six or seven underboard Cobalts from my last attempt at this. Luckily though good comes to those that wait, because by the time I have now got back to it DCC Concepts have come up with their SS above board motors. I just had a 12 pack delivered last week, still yet to install them. However, they look pretty easy and they each will require just one hole for the wires, the same principle as my droppers. Then I will need to decide whether to hide them under bushes and buildings, or leave them visible.

Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: chrispearce on August 22, 2018, 01:41:41 AM
Thanks for that reply trevis. It took me a moment or two but I realize that your metric measurements are 2 x 4 foot by 8 foot boards in olde english. As to ephods and cubits I still have to work that out  :confused1:. Your layout is, therefore, quite big. It does look to be quite a decent size in the pics.

I like the whole idea you have there. A couple of collieries and a decent sized MPD next to a triangle is quite cunning. I havee never been really sure about the Peco turntable as I can never get it to rotate smoothly due to a lack of wheels - just plastic lugs to run on the circular track. I am of the opinion that having a nearby triangle is the answer. Another advantage is you can run locos that might not fit on your table.

An excellant layout in progress. I'll look forward to seeing this one grow!

Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on August 22, 2018, 02:49:27 AM
Thanks for that reply trevis. It took me a moment or two but I realize that your metric measurements are 2 x 4 foot by 8 foot boards in olde english.

I like the whole idea you have there. A couple of collieries and a decent sized MPD next to a triangle is quite cunning.

Yes, we Antipodeans have a strange way of counting. I will have to remember to translate to imperial in future.

You say cunning, however the reversing loop occurred more by accident than design if truth be told. I put the loop up to the back colliery to allow me to get trains running on the hidden track behind the backboard. Once that was there I thought it also made sense to have the straight track come up to join it. It wasn't until they were all linked that I realised I had accidentally created quite a useful turning mechanism   ;)

Had to look up MPD. Google greeted me with Multiple Personality Disorder, Meat Packing District, and Metropolitan Police Department, before I hit paydirt with Motive Power Depot  :D  Just "The Yards" to my simple mind...
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: chrispearce on August 22, 2018, 03:28:12 AM
Don't worry about having to convert to imperial. It's just oddities like me relate to imperial first and metric second.

As to MPD? Well I needed a laugh so thanks. It's a night shift for me here so the idea of building Multiple Personality Disorders into your layout conjured some amusing ideas. Although the latter 2 ideas could be quite legit!

Will we be treated to some pics soon? :D
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Graham on August 22, 2018, 07:28:53 AM
looking good. Must admit I have always thought of a track plan, laid the track then thought about the landscape. this makes it more of a model landscape with a train running through it than a model railway IMO. Similar to how Pendon is modelled.

cheers
Graham
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on August 22, 2018, 07:45:20 AM
looking good. Must admit I have always thought of a track plan, laid the track then thought about the landscape. this makes it more of a model landscape with a train running through it than a model railway IMO. Similar to how Pendon is modelled.

Yes, kind of. I did have the track layout in my head and it has been executed pretty much exactly as I anticipated. But then I created the landscape before putting down the track, as in real life. The only consideration I gave was to lay flat track beds in the nominal spots before developing the land, otherwise it would have been a nightmare getting the track to lay flat. As it was I have ended up with the track sitting pretty much on the flat bits, with only one or two notable exceptions.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Bealman on August 22, 2018, 07:59:57 AM
I read somewhere a long time ago (in an American mag, if I recall), that it's best to do the landscape up to the track and then ballast it, so the ballast looks like it's sitting on the landscape, as in the prototype.

That stuck in my head, and I've always done that.
Title: The long and particularly short of it
Post by: trevis on August 24, 2018, 02:22:59 PM
OK, I am stumped and need the knowledge of those with more experience than I.

I have setup the siding out of the yards, but it is creating a short and I can't see the problem, which no doubt is staring me in the face.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1885/30369960878_c233738b78_h.jpg)

So, as you can see the entry to the yards is at Point A. This works as expected, open and closed all is good (including all yards tracks and points working). The siding track is isolated at points C & D. I don't think this is necessary, but it was an easy option. The idea to hook the isolated section to the auto-reverser. More on this in a moment. There is an exit from the siding back into the same mainline track at point B.

If I turn the points at B to allow traffic in and out of the siding it shorts the track. This is regardless of whether the isolated section is hooked up to the reverser or simply left disconnected from any power.

I know the isolation is working, because 1, I can see clear gaps in the track at all four places, but more importantly 2, points A work perfectly.

This suggests to me that the short occurs due to the mainline section, caused by some crossover caused when points B are turned to the siding.

Apart from points B all other sections are working as expected open or closed, it is only when I flip points B that the short happens. However, if I turn open points A to the siding first and then open points B to the siding, no short occurs!

Can anyone see the logic in why this occurs, and more importantly how to avoid it.

Aagh!
TC

Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Innovationgame on August 24, 2018, 02:40:25 PM
What power feed do you have on the section between B and C?  It sounds as though your problem is in that area.  Do you have a multimeter?
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on August 24, 2018, 03:33:24 PM
What power feed do you have on the section between B and C?  It sounds as though your problem is in that area.  Do you have a multimeter?

There's no power feed between B & C, it is taking its power from whichever line the points are connected to, therefore presumably unpowered if the points are closed to the siding, but powered from the mainline if the siding is open.

Good idea about the multimeter. I shall drag it out and see which way the needle flips at all relevant spots...

CHeers
TC
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Innovationgame on August 24, 2018, 04:16:36 PM
If there's really no feed to the siding and both rails are genuinely isolated at C, then the fault must be in the point.  But check first with your multimeter.  If you are using electofrog points, check your frog dropper.  Could it be permanently connected to the left hand stock rail (as viewed on your photo)?
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Caz on August 24, 2018, 06:59:46 PM
Can you confirm you've got the Y junction top left fully isolated (it acts like a reversing loop) as if not that could be feeding back down the main line to the sidings.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on August 25, 2018, 12:21:14 AM
Can you confirm you've got the Y junction top left fully isolated (it acts like a reversing loop) as if not that could be feeding back down the main line to the sidings.

I will go back and check the wye, but it seems to be working fine. The straight along the top isle it is isolated and connected to my auto reversing board. All the points and tracks in the wye work as expected and trains run on all legs fine.

Cheers
TC
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on August 25, 2018, 07:05:05 AM
..., then the fault must be in the point.  But check first with your multimeter. ...

Bingo.  Dodgy points. All the voltages were correct,  so I whipped it out and replaced. All good.

Thanks
TC
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: daveg on August 25, 2018, 07:16:09 AM
Good to hear, TC.

Almost every electrical gremlin I've had/have was/is hidden itself around a point! Always a big sigh of relief when you find the little  :censored:!

Dave G
Title: Getting to the point
Post by: trevis on August 26, 2018, 10:44:27 AM
Well, it's been an eventful weekend. Even though the weather has been absolutely stupendous and I got out on both bicycle and motorcycle, I still found the time to progress the NDR. Firstly a little bit of movement. And yes, it's still running counter to track rules, but she's in testing. And before anyone asks, the little goods van is to prevent some weird derailing of the first carriage that keeps occurring. Possible bogey issue.  :D



The main goal this weekend was to get at least one of my new DCC Concepts SS Point motors up and running. And as of 4pm Sunday managed to hit my target. Not that it was particularly difficult, just me procrastinating every time I start something new where I could possibly stuff things up when they are already working. Courage up, it began.

Sadly Richard has moved from WA, where I could visit the shop and figure everything out easily, to Carlisle in the UK, where I cannot take the same approach... Ordered them from Hattons and waited. The twelve pack of points motors arrived nice and neat. Six controllers, twelve motors and a stack of bits and bobs to help hook it all up - cables, screws, tie bars, etc.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1895/44274534181_f0d5d3902a_c.jpg)

The instructions likewise come on a simple to follow, yet very detailed fold out card. The boards are capable of much more than just operating the points, so most of the instructions can be ignored until a later date.

First job is to position the motor adjacent to the points tie bar, after fitting the appropriate armature for the job. The pack comes with a lot of different ones to ensure good fit.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1849/42466635710_6cc7528bec_c.jpg)

Once in place you can put the back screws in to get it reasonably tight for testing.

Drop the connector through to the controller which I have put beneath the layout. The little plugs on the end of the motor wire are a bit bigger than I would like, meaning a bigger than normal hole is required compared to droppers. This gets plugged into the controller, from where you can play with a little screw to adjust the pull distance of the motor. You can connect two distinct DCC motors to each controller, but if you have synchronised points such as a crossover they can each share an address and move simultaneously on activation.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1899/42466647500_76f8e8694a_c.jpg)

Connecting it to my ECOS was pretty simple. There is a switch on the controller board that puts it in "Set" mode which allows the controller to see and assign it. I have gone through and pre-added all my points to the ECOS in advance.

When I first tried to operate it I didn't have much luck, just not pushing the blades into place. The instructions suggest you remove the spring in the points. I would say this is mandatory as the motor simply doesn't have the oomph to move it otherwise. Once I killed the spring, it worked smoothly. Probably more realistic anyway.

It's quite a noisy little beast if you are operating points without any ambient noise like a train trundling along. But the chance of you sitting flicking points around in silence is not that high, so I don't think it's a biggy.

And, the proof is in the pudding (screws yet to be aligned and tightened). Perhaps not that exciting, but another achievement along the way. Now another eleven to fit, although I am going to have to buy some extension cables. The pack comes with four or five, but the flylead is only really long enough to get through from my layout to the underside of the board, not leaving much to get to the controller, especially when you are hooking up two points to one controller. You will get lucky maybe one out of two times unless you are doing a yard with lots of them at close quarters.

Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: daveg on August 26, 2018, 11:10:26 AM
The electronics are beyond my ken but the trackwork through the scenery looks great.

Look forward to the next episode.

Dave G
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Bealman on August 26, 2018, 11:33:52 AM
The electronics aren't so much beyond my ken, but like Dave, I'm a dc dinosaur.

Great videos. Can't wait to see them running on the correct lines, though!  ;) :beers:
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Supertommymooney on September 08, 2018, 04:12:28 PM
Hi Trevis

Looks like a great layout coming on.

Can I ask a quick question about your baseboard?

I am looking to get plywood for a new setup (first go) and looking at what my wood merchant stocks he has about 4 types of plywood, including soft pine plywood, brazilian hardwood ply, and marine plywood. Most in 9mm or 12mm, but the marine in 12mm only.

Can I ask why you chose the marine and what it's like to drill through and cut?

I am looking at a basic 160cm x 90cm rectangle then some edges sticking up for back and side board to landscape up to.

(anyone else a wood expert then all help welcome!)

Thanks
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on September 10, 2018, 01:21:36 AM
I am looking to get plywood for a new setup (first go) and looking at what my wood merchant stocks he has about 4 types of plywood, including soft pine plywood, brazilian hardwood ply, and marine plywood. Most in 9mm or 12mm, but the marine in 12mm only.

Can I ask why you chose the marine and what it's like to drill through and cut?

I am looking at a basic 160cm x 90cm rectangle then some edges sticking up for back and side board to landscape up to.

The basic differences between marine and standard plywood is the quality of the veneer and the type of adhesive used to stick the plys together. In marine the glue is "waterproof" and in theory you shouldn't get any voids or knotholes. Therefore the cuts and holes should be cleaner.

But for a train layout ordinary ply is more than adequate, just my over-engineering nature. It is certainly no harder to work with than ordinary ply when you take to it with a jigsaw, Dremel or drill. My backboards for example are very thin standard ply.

For the size layout you are talking about you wouldn't need really thick ply. Plywood is quite flexible (the whole point of it really) and 12mm won't flex too much but I would still recommend a supporting frame (simple pine would work) because if you try to move it, even a metre of 12mm will flex a bit, which might see your hard work twisting and turning out of whack. And, a frame below will offer some space between board and table for wiring, etc.

Having said all of that MDF is cheaper, stiffer, and a lot more workable, so long as you are not going to get it damp at all.

Good luck
TC
Title: Points, points, and points
Post by: trevis on September 10, 2018, 06:20:21 AM
The past week has been dedicated to finishing off the point motors, which has been a mix of satisfaction and frustration. However, apart from one set, where the points themselves need changing, it is all done (out front at any rate, the fiddle yard is for another day).

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1867/42777016990_c9913b5b99_c.jpg)

Those little blacks lumps are showing up all over the place, none so obvious as the yards. I got 18 motors in total and had fitted about 14 of them and that's when the wheels fell off. It was all smooth sailing, but then the second last controller was refusing to play ball, no matter what I tried. Basically the motors were only offering a sad little whirr, and no push or pull. I tried everything, switched over the controller, switched over the motors, switched over the extension cables and even changed the power source! No dice.

Eventually through a long and tedious period of testing, and climbing in and under the boards I got the culprit (and at 6' 2" I detest being under the layout). Faulty extension cables. But a whole pack of them, not just one! So, when I switched out the extension cables, I was replacing faulty with faulty - doh! Once I finally moved to a cable that came from a different pack it all became clear.

Experience with the Concept SS over a week, is a cautious positive. They are not too noisy, they do what they say they are going to do, the setup process is simple, they mesh well with my ECOS DCC, and they look OK (or will do after a bit of tittivation). However, they are very fiddly (both screws and connectors are tiny for my eyes anyhow), the plug requires a biggish hole in the baseboard, probably need glue to hold them on plaster cloth, and the controllers reset when the line is shut down, so the first press or two after re-power does not kick in. All in all a good solution though for my setup.

You might be able to see an omission on the yards, there is one point motor missing. Unfortunately, due to the tracks I can't fit the motor as it is blocked by another motor on the mainline. Will require some innovative thinking that my brain has yet to offer (probably a bent tie rod, hopefully)

I also ripped up a couple of sections that were just not quite right and relaid them. One of the beauties of trying to put flat rail on sometimes lumpy terrain. However, now everything is running relatively smoothly, including the full wye.

He inches ever closer to being able to start the fun stuff!

Bolsover Market Sq. and Pit is coming along

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1895/42777016530_8f9870e8aa_c.jpg)

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1854/29649211937_c3d4db8aec_c.jpg)
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: daveg on September 10, 2018, 07:43:13 AM
 :greatpicturessign:

Looking great.

I'm 5' 7" and I hate working under the boards too. Getting down ain't so bad, it's the getting back up that's the challenge!

Dave G
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Newportnobby on September 10, 2018, 09:13:35 AM
Thanks for the progress report. It's looking very good.

I try anything to not get under the layout as I could end up like a turtle on it's back :-[
Title: Re: Points, points, and points
Post by: Train Waiting on September 10, 2018, 09:23:37 AM
Eventually through a long and tedious period of testing, and climbing in and under the boards I got the culprit (and at 6' 2" I detest being under the layout). Faulty extension cables. But a whole pack of them, not just one! So, when I switched out the extension cables, I was replacing faulty with faulty - doh! Once I finally moved to a cable that came from a different pack it all became clear.

What an amazingly irritating fault-finding session that must have been.  Great work in tracking down the unlikely culprit - one faulty new cable is happenstance, two is a coincidence, but a whole pack is Ö

And your layout looks lovely; absolutely tickety-boo.


Best wishes.

John


Title: Station-ery
Post by: trevis on September 12, 2018, 02:15:48 PM
So with Bolsover coming along in Market Place and the Pit it seemed fitting that they deserved a station in keeping with the burgeoning prosperity of a coal town. Not one to shirk my civic duty I began construction of platforms, firstly by templating the area in paper.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1892/43916842634_61c7262497_c.jpg)

Once I jumped in it was surprisingly easy to build something of the desired shape using the Metcalfe platform kit. Not perfect, but pretty close for a first attempt. Of course, needs a bit of aging, but at least the small town can now get on to Chesterfield and further afield if need be. Not sure about the bit that abuts the tunnel. In reality this would probably not be designed this way,so there probably isn't a neat way to finish this off. I suspect it would normally push up against a brick retaining wall that would form part of the tunnel entrance structure. Ce la vie.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1865/43726563815_b52444f1ea_c.jpg)

I also got hold of the station news stand mini kit, also from Metcalfe. I must say as my first mini kit I was a little disappointed. At GBP4 it was exceedingly tiny in its proportions. One laser cut card about 3 inch sq to be exact. The instructions were bigger than all the components of the kit by about three times. Never mind, it took all of ten minutes to stick together and it adds a little bit of pizazz. Though unsure I would pony up for another one in the series.

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Still need to do the brick wall at the back of the station.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: daveg on September 12, 2018, 04:29:06 PM
Great progress and the Metcalfe kits look really nicely done. As you mentioned, a little weathering can make a difference.

I get what you mean about the mini kits but when comparing with alternatives, they are, IMHO quite good. I also have their kiosk as well as a cricket pavillion (as a garden centre shop!) and the picnic tables and brollies for the pub garden.

Sadly, I am far from the capabilities of the talented @rogerdB (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6299) when it comes to modelling so am grateful for the little bits you can buy that add some life to my layout.  :)

Dave G
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Skyline2uk on September 13, 2018, 08:20:38 AM
I do enjoy this layout, thank you for continuing updates.

Quote
Not sure about the bit that abuts the tunnel. In reality this would probably not be designed this way,so there probably isn't a neat way to finish this off. I suspect it would normally push up against a brick retaining wall that would form part of the tunnel entrance structure. Ce la vie.

I see what you mean but I also see it would be a pain to fit the platform up close to the tunnel....

How would it look simply filling the gap with vegetation? You could even put a small fence on the end? If you would rather give the impression it was supposed to be there rather than over grown, perhaps add some paint dots to suggest flowers?

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: port perran on September 13, 2018, 08:26:57 AM
That station looks really good. Youíve made a great job of it.
As for the end of the platform near the tunnel mouth. I think Iíd add a set of steps so that track workers can gain access to track level. It would need a bit of fencing and some vegetation I think. Easy to build using coffee stirrers. Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Supertommymooney on September 13, 2018, 08:51:15 AM
Looking brilliant!
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on September 13, 2018, 11:13:38 AM
That station looks really good. Youíve made a great job of it.
As for the end of the platform near the tunnel mouth. I think Iíd add a set of steps so that track workers can gain access to track level. It would need a bit of fencing and some vegetation I think. Easy to build using coffee stirrers. Just my thoughts.

I see what you mean but I also see it would be a pain to fit the platform up close to the tunnel....

How would it look simply filling the gap with vegetation? You could even put a small fence on the end? If you would rather give the impression it was supposed to be there rather than over grown, perhaps add some paint dots to suggest flowers?

I like both ideas. The steps are ideal for tunnel access and other general maintenance, and then a little vegetation to soften the obvious retaining corner. It will eventually need a bit of stuff spotted around the retaining in any event, along with grime.

Title: Re: We're on the road to nowhere
Post by: trevis on September 25, 2018, 01:14:18 PM
Been doing lots of little bits and pieces that haven't added up to anything particularly visual. A few more kits, a few more points, trying to sort out little lumpy bits in the trackwork, etc. And, managed to put the main track diagram onto one screen of the ECOS. The fiddle yard will still be a second screen, but this is easier than the four original screens I had setup.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1939/44905699801_4f247db8fa_c.jpg)

But, on the weekend I thought I would give my first bit of roadwork a crack. It's still not finished, but the concept seems to be working OK. I am floating by the seat of my pants a bit, but I thought Spakfilla would make a good roadbase. The first step was to take the foam based and coat it with the same textured paint that covered the rest of the terrain. I thought I would try the technique out on a removable section of terrain in case it failed miserably.

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Unfortunately I bought limestone instead of sandstone, which is considerably lighter. However the texture is pretty much the same, so I ploughed on and the final touched up version is hard to tell the difference, and it will be covered with groundcovers in any event.

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I had been looking for some edging tape, but things like Tamiya or even standard foam tapes were pretty expensive, so a hunt around Bunnings for an alternative came up with Purlin tape (used in roofing), which provided about 20m for the same price as 3m of the modelling tape. It's still a dense foam tape so very flexible. What's more it is three times as wide, so careful knife work can turn it into 60m. The first cutting effort was fairly bodgy, but the one important edge was straight, which was all that mattered. So I taped down the North Rd down the hill past the Langwith Colliery.

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The filling compound I used is heavy duty, designed to fill big cracks (3-4mm), which is about right for my road base. I spread and re-spread it down between the tape lines until fairly smooth and then waited, and waited, and waited... A day and half later I was happy it had gone off, even at that thickness.

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I was then able to rip off the edging tape to a nice straight line and run a fine sanding block over it. The end result is a hard, smooth surface with just enough texture and imperfection. It was labelled as being light grey, so I was hopeful of not needing to paint it, but rather just "washing" and weathering. Sadly it turned out more of a dirty white, so a grey coat will be required. And voila, the old dirt road up the hill got an overhaul by the local Council. Makes it a lot easier for the trucks heading up to the pit.

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I like the end result and it will mean any curve, width or shape is fairly easy to replicate, including rail crossings, and also joining roads seamlessly. This stuff is very carveable once dry. Likewise, as you can probably tell you can work on uneven surfaces and still produce an even end product. I realise I'm probably already preaching to the converted, but it's new and experimental to me. I am also thinking it would be worthwhile taking the Dremel out to create a slight camber and bring it to a thinner edge.

Next steps, some final sanding, especially on the edges, colouring, kerbing and pavement. Onward and upwards.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Newportnobby on September 25, 2018, 01:24:13 PM
Plenty of room for the BR coach to pass the Cresta estate so why has the driver gone off the road? ;)
Being serious for a moment, the road looks good. Is the tape flexible enough to create curves and, maybe more important, hopefully the Spakfilla won't be liable to cracking when 'Dremelled'
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on September 25, 2018, 01:41:21 PM
Plenty of room for the BR coach to pass the Cresta estate so why has the driver gone off the road? ;)
Being serious for a moment, the road looks good. Is the tape flexible enough to create curves and, maybe more important, hopefully the Spakfilla won't be liable to cracking when 'Dremelled'

You can't see it in this pic but the bus is going down a ramp into the station car park and will be the next bit to get its tarmac.

The end product seems pretty tough and a sanding block with a bit of pressure didn't show any signs of destruction. Happily tapped on it. Ended up about 3mm thick in most places. Hairline cracks I can deal with, even encourage to some degree as I can fill them with glue and overpaint with dark lines to form imperfections just like real patched roads. Catastrophic crumbling however would be somewhat discouraging, but it is supposed have a bit of flexibility built in to cater for movement in walls (it's actual intended use). Time will tell.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on September 25, 2018, 01:46:51 PM
Is the tape flexible enough to create curves

Oops. Yes, the tape is very bendy, both vertically and horizontally. You wont get right angles, but you definitely be able to get fairly tight curves out of it. It is adhesive on one side and the glue is pretty tacky, yet not so much that it rips up the terrain when you are taking it off.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: GreyWolf on September 25, 2018, 08:41:25 PM
Quote from: trevis
Quote from: Newportnobby
Is the tape flexible enough to create curves
Oops. Yes, the tape is very bendy, both vertically and horizontally. You won't get right angles, but you definitely be able to get fairly tight curves out of it. It is adhesive on one side and the glue is pretty tacky, yet not so much that it rips up the terrain when you are taking it off.

Excellent road works ... was thinking of trying something similar for my layout. If only I can find felxi-foam-tape (which translates as "ruban souple en mousse" over here). Watching the development of your council's road improvements with interest.

Cheers  :beers:
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Pjlons83 on September 26, 2018, 11:56:36 AM
I've just caught up with this thread from start to finish. Where did the time go!  :o

Great work and full of information. Thank you for sharing.
Title: We're on the road to nowhere
Post by: trevis on September 27, 2018, 02:40:03 PM
Just to add a little more to the previous update. The first coat of tarmac went down to add a bit of colour. Surprised you can't see half a dozen council workers leaning on shovels... They still have to lay a footpath.

And the new Langwith Station platform.

They might finally get around to sealing that carpark.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1952/44036570105_e53504d115_c.jpg)

Oh, and that road is as hard as a rock. The Dremel took the edge off nicely without a murmur. You could easily drill this sucker without a problem. Although it might be a problem on any base with give (like wireframe plaster cloth), as I suspect any flex might cause cracking.
Title: Cry me a river
Post by: trevis on October 01, 2018, 01:23:59 AM
So I commenced work on number of items this weekend - no focus here. But of most note was the river bed. My aim being to at least get rid of the pale white plaster with something at least a little more reminiscent of water.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1975/31146946778_4f02e3d8a2_c.jpg)

Whilst I know there is a lot of work to be done before I get that wetness cascading through the sense of some depth and life can still be obtained from light and shade. So I started by painting on the textured paint that the rest of the layout has, logic being twofold - riverbeds are not smooth and the movement of rivers causes lots of little pinpricks of texture. That done I moved onto mixing up a fairly dark greeny, browny, blacky colour and ran across the middle of the river bed. Then, whilst still wet lightened it to a more olivey greeny colour and blended, to a yellowy, greeny, browny shade. And finally a lighter browny, yellowy colour. Pretty much trial and error and lots of adding of different colours to the palette mix.

As a base I am reasonably happy, although probably looks more like US river at the moment than the Derbyshire countryside. And there are spots where the variation is not enough. But we will get there with some more layering.

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This pic is a bit unrepresentative as the flash has washed out the brownness of the surrounding terrain.

The next step is to add in some rocks at various points.

Still determining the wetting method to be used, but probably favouring varnish or resin over things like dedicated scenic modelling products, at the moment.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Bealman on October 01, 2018, 01:43:15 AM
Yeah, I used gloss varnish for the water on my layout, but I have been very impressed by Woodland Scenics Realistic Water on layouts that have used it. Webbo in Canberra has had much success with it.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on October 01, 2018, 06:13:57 AM
Yeah, I used gloss varnish for the water on my layout, but I have been very impressed by Woodland Scenics Realistic Water on layouts that have used it. Webbo in Canberra has had much success with it.

I think my main concerns are - 1) the cost for such a long river section (anything with Woodland scenics in the name attracts premium pricing),  and 2) it stays soft and almost gel like (if it's the one I'm thinking of).

On the plus side you can get some nice ripple effects.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Bealman on October 01, 2018, 06:30:09 AM
You may be confusing it with Ezy Water by the same firm. That stuff is definitely  an inferior product.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on October 03, 2018, 05:28:28 AM
Happy day. I had wanted to get hold of Metcalfe PN108 for awhile as it had a couple of buildings I can use in different ways for both colliery and jam factory. Alas, it is no longer made and all was almost lost.

However, I finally managed to track one down in the backwaters of New Zealand of all places at Mack's Tracks! And today she arrived safe and sound. I love it when a plan comes together.

He said it has been on his shelf for 11 years. Which is very evident by the packaging.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1907/44157088415_1de39d9b4c_c.jpg)
Title: Model of a Model
Post by: trevis on October 07, 2018, 03:19:06 PM
Only little bits and bobs really the past few days, but the Bolsover end is starting to look more town like. The model village in the valley has all the hallmarks of the real one, a space for allotments, the school, park and rows of red brick houses. I couldn't fit two rows in, but a reasonable impression nonetheless. I'm still just placing things, so lots of items "floating" a little with big gaps showing from under until the final plans are decided and the foundations laid. I have also laid a bit more road, including a couple of cross overs, but I will reveal those once I am happy with the final product, smoothed and painted.

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Also went and had a research trip to Bunnings. I think I will end up with a two part epoxy coating for the river, but not until a lot of other stuff is finalised. Which is a combination of wanting everything to be set in place before pouring it, and partly being scared of stuffing it up  :D Not that easy to recover from a failure of that one.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Innovationgame on October 07, 2018, 05:08:05 PM
 :greatpicturessign:
Title: Slow and Steady
Post by: trevis on November 04, 2018, 12:53:59 PM
Thought I would touch base. Over the past weeks I have been putting together some key buildings, such as finalising the New Bolsover, Shirebrook and Langwith stations, as well as more of the housing, roads and retaining. From certain angles in the half light, through a very soft filter you can kinda, sorta think that progress is being made. Much of the current work has been around starting to eradicate the white lines along the card model edges, which takes forever and  whilst essential for overall looks, doesn't rank high on the big impact when you have a reasonable size layout. But we move forward.

Shirebrook Station has taken on a reasonable facsimile of the original

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And it's starting to provide an idea of the battle between industrial and farming nature of the Derbyshire backwaters, albeit with some unfinished roadworks (rail crossings and tarmac).

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1911/44988117554_56d3dcb2f6_c.jpg)

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Langwith, still in need of some more row housing
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Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Newportnobby on November 04, 2018, 01:23:48 PM
That's coming along really well. For those fiddly detailing parts, York Modelmaking are a good source

https://www.yorkmodelrail.com (https://www.yorkmodelrail.com)
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: chrispearce on November 04, 2018, 02:51:58 PM
Trevis. These are amazing pics. The layout looks superb. One thought that struck me and I don't know what you think but where the single line that springs from the triangle, passes the mine and vanishes through the backscene you have temporarily leant a single-track tunnel portal against the backscene. Do you think there is any merit in NOT using the portal? Looking at the surrounding topography the portal juts vertically a lot and may require a rather sudden and funny looking hill to justify its existence. Might it be better to plant a wood or, maybe, a building that is long enough to hide the exit of the track? Looking at the angle the track takes to pass through the hole in the backscene and the apparent viewing angle such a ruse would hide the exit point either completely or all but completely. Just a wee thought. Keep up the inspiring work!
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: port perran on November 04, 2018, 03:13:02 PM
Thatís looking really good. You obviously enjoy making Metcalfe kits.
Just a tip. I use watercolour pencils to colour over the white lines as the tip runs down the joint quite nicely.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on November 05, 2018, 03:22:34 AM
Do you think there is any merit in NOT using the portal?

Hey Chris, yes the tunnel entrance is just propped up there as an errant reminding thought. Ideally I want to run a road along the back edge at this point. It will provide a nice connection between the pits and the towns. In order to do that it either needs to disappear into the backdrop at the point of the track, or a humpback bridge over it.

You're right though, simply hiding the entrance is also a possibility that might be more aesthetically pleasing.

Cheers
TC
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on November 05, 2018, 03:30:21 AM
You obviously enjoy making Metcalfe kits.
Just a tip. I use watercolour pencils to colour over the white lines as the tip runs down the joint quite nicely.

Yes, I think I have just gotten used to the Metcalfes. I need to break out of my mold. But I have been able to find most things I want in Metcalfe so far, probably because of the era I am working with.

I did try pencils first (both my watercolour and pastels), but had a bugger of a time not jumping out of the rut and marking the facework. I have found my hand more suited to running a fine brush down the edge. It's amazing the difference it makes to the overall appearance. You can't really sense it in isolation, but when you put them on the layout, night and day.
Title: Catching Up
Post by: trevis on November 11, 2018, 11:25:17 AM
A few details being tied off this weekend. But this morning was spent at the AMRA WA open day, with all their wonderful layouts on show. Haltwhistle in particular being a favourite of mine, a 40s/50s OO gauge set in Yorkshire which was first started being built 30 yrs ago and is still being added to here and there. Certainly creates an impetus to get to it.

As I was grocery shopping on Friday I noticed the scourer pads. Green, thin, wiry and cheap (70c a packet). Give it  a whirl I thought. And so began a quick test into hedge rows.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4828/45100284804_7d77464d75_c.jpg)

Even if I make full height hedges out the whole pack, by my calculations I reckon I would get about 93 scale km out of this for around $2, even factoring in the cost of scatter. Pretty good deal - if it worked.

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Easy enough to cut with scissors

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Used my normal 1:2 PVA glue mixture, and a mixed Woodland Scenics scatter.

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Looked pretty good, then put a pinch of a fine yellow scatter on for variation. I was fairly happy with these, but they took an age to dry out because they are so absorbent of the glue.

Once dry though they retain their flexibility both on the vertical and horizontal plains, meaning they go round corners and up and down hills. I haven't stuck any in place yet, but the below gives an idea of the end result. Possibly needs another coating.

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Oh, also finished the roads to the hamlet of Stony Houghton. I'm getting the hang of the road laying now.

Then it was onto filling some gaps with polystyrene. I had a few noticeable holes where the rail beds were sitting above the ground levels. Luckily ever since I moved house I have been saving anything packing that came with anything I bought, so I have a goodly supply of stryofoam. Armed with a trusty hotwire I set about slowly trimming two bits of foam into shape. Glued them down and finished the day with a coat of paint.

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I definitely prefer wood and mdf over foam, but it certainly has its uses. You can't really see the ednd result here, but it looks good enough to cover with grass now.
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A good couple of days work, on and off, amongst gardening and riding.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Newportnobby on November 11, 2018, 12:03:09 PM
By heck. You keep the hedges tidy! :goggleeyes:
Unlike my lot on 'Bletchford'............but it is meant to be a rundown rural area

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Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on November 11, 2018, 12:30:00 PM
By heck. You keep the hedges tidy! :goggleeyes:
Unlike my lot on 'Bletchford'............but it is meant to be a rundown rural area

Capability Brown is on the council crew...No expense spared in Chesterfield.
Title: Re: Catching Up
Post by: MalcolmInN on November 11, 2018, 02:04:08 PM
Haltwhistle in particular being a favourite of mine, a 40s/50s OO gauge set in Yorkshire
Ohhh ! That surprised me because when I was last in Haltwhistle in the 40/50s it was in Northumberland, halfway between Carlisle and Newcastle ! :) (on the onetime LNER). It was on our way to our regular summer holiday in Allandale (Allanheads). We could not go all the way to Allandale by steam as that branch was closed to passenger service in (I think) the '30s. So the trip was completed with petrol :)



Title: Re: Catching Up
Post by: trevis on November 11, 2018, 03:03:15 PM
Haltwhistle in particular being a favourite of mine, a 40s/50s OO gauge set in Yorkshire
Ohhh ! That surprised me because when I was last in Haltwhistle in the 40/50s it was in Northumberland, halfway between Carlisle and Newcastle ! :)


Just repeating what I am being told  :) A lovely layout nonetheless.

http://www.amra-wa-branch.asn.au/layouts/haltwhistle/ (http://www.amra-wa-branch.asn.au/layouts/haltwhistle/)
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Innovationgame on November 11, 2018, 03:40:24 PM
I remember camping at Haltwhistle about fifteen years ago.  The red sqirrels at the camp site were great, but the town seemed to be really run down.  I've just looked at it on Streetview and it seems to be much smarter now.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on November 15, 2018, 06:12:42 AM
Signage at Shirebrook. This would actually have been Shirebrook North in the real world, with Langwith Junction and Langwith pit in the background. Those little touches like signs make all the difference. Still a bit barren and unweathered, but moving forwards.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4885/30948765467_e02397054b_h.jpg)
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: grumbeast on November 15, 2018, 05:40:12 PM
Just catching up on this thread and l have to say it looks wonderful.  This is a great example of how to use the metcalfe kits to best effect.  Thanks for posting.

 Graham
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: port perran on November 15, 2018, 07:02:49 PM
A lovely layout in the making.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Train Waiting on November 16, 2018, 09:13:05 AM
This is a great example of how to use the metcalfe kits to best effect.  Thanks for posting.
 Graham

A lovely layout in the making.

Both comments seconded!
Title: To the ends of the Earth and back
Post by: trevis on March 11, 2019, 12:47:59 PM
So, a long time between drinks. I spent most of November in South East Europe trotting around Germany, Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia indulging my photographic hobby. With a trusty rail pass of course, no better way to travel. Saw many stations of note, like this one in Dresden and the decaying but majestic Keleti in Budapest. Visited the cool little shop at Munich Station that seels all train models European. Picked up some Noch people and scenic bits, about half the price of the same in Australia!

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7903/47348484861_46a8faa2f9_c.jpg)

Added something new to the layout at last. I need to redo the pumps, but they fill the gap for now. And give it a proper flat base to sit on...


(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7923/32406513177_6f8511ed75_c.jpg)

Onwards!
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on May 13, 2019, 08:15:08 AM
Well, not sure where that month and a bit went. There have been internet issues a plenty, but this morning saw fibre switched on, so hopefully no more hassles on that front.

On a positive front construction has continued, maybe not apace, but at least with some intent. The focus has been upon the New Bolsover model village. It was one of those efforts of the owners to provide a benevolent and quality life for the building of the moral character of the pit workers. I'm unsure of the success of the theory...

The actual village was two U-shaped rows of houses, one inside the other, surrounding a recreational area. There was also ample space to grow vegetables in the allotments, playing fields, and nearby educational institutions, all serviced by a tram to the colliery. I haven't got the space to put in both rows of houses, but I have managed one set.

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As always, not touched up yet, weathering and edges yet to be done...

With my preformed topography I need to do earthworks whenever I decide on putting up buildings, and the model village has been an exercise in foundations. So, jumped in with the ever useful Heavy Duty Spakfilla and set about it. This lets me create a level and flat surface as appropriate. Dremelling out edges and uneven bits as I go, finished with a light block sand. But it doesn't need to be perfectly smooth as it will never be seen. Just enough to get the buildings sitting straight. (and allotment sheds at the ready in the background)

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Following the housing pads I then progressed to the roads surrounding the park, and threw in a bit of simple grass sheet as a base for later down the track.

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That has allowed me to firm up the direction of roadworks, which has resulted in a couple of shops at the end of the village, and an idea for a road up to the main township on the hill.

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Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Bealman on May 13, 2019, 08:42:44 AM
Very reminiscent of the layout of a bunch terraced dwellings not far from where I lived.

Great modelling, and good to see you back.  :beers:
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: crewearpley40 on May 13, 2019, 08:50:20 AM
Were they metcalfe buildings or scratchbuilt
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on May 13, 2019, 08:53:23 AM
Were they metcalfe buildings or scratchbuilt

All Metcalfe, but a little bit of titivation to things like signage where required.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: crewearpley40 on May 13, 2019, 09:04:49 AM
Simply realistic townscape.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on May 18, 2019, 02:50:37 PM
New Bolsover Station starting to look a little more lived in.

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Interesting how Metcalfe have changed some of their kits over the past few years. For example the low relief terrace housing now has round doors instead of square, while the Country Station is now unchanged in just about every aspect except dimensions, the building is now demonstrably larger, even though the design is the same. Sometimes it helps, adding a bit of variety to the layout, and other times it can be annoying when you are trying to match up areas.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Newportnobby on May 18, 2019, 08:34:35 PM
Interesting how Metcalfe have changed some of their kits over the past few years. For example the low relief terrace housing now has round doors instead of square

Have they taken Middle Earth as inspiration? ;)
Title: Shedding the shackles
Post by: trevis on June 01, 2019, 11:24:12 AM
I needed something to help in the top corner of the layout at the Langwith Pit. Part of my cunning plan to hide the hole that leads to the back of layout rail run. Just fitting the bill was the Metcalfe Single Engine Shed. I have to say I was more than pleasantly surprised. I reckon this is a new design, it is much more solid, and a few more details that are missing in a lot of their of the models - like the relief window sills & lintels and the triple relief window casements.

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I have also added a simple Goods through shed to the Langwith Junction yards. This one was more by default as I put it into the pit to start, but it just didn't work. I didn't realise it was a drive thru to start with, which doesn't help on a terminating line... Might end up somewhere else.

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And to cap it all off, not only is it a long weekend, 26C and clear, tomorrow I'm off to the WA Model train show. Just living the dream  :D
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: maridunian on June 01, 2019, 01:07:02 PM
I spent most of November in South East Europe trotting around Germany, Czech Republic, Hungary and Slovakia indulging my photographic hobby. With a trusty rail pass of course, no better way to travel. Saw many stations of note, like this one in Dresden and the decaying but majestic Keleti in Budapest.

We did a similar rail tour last September. Budapest Station is something of a temple to steam:

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featuring Stephenson and Watt beside its entrance:


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Mike

Title: High on a hill lived a lonely...
Post by: trevis on June 05, 2019, 02:10:04 PM
Starting to progress a few more details that have always been less important until now - learning how to build trees, lay down ballast and glue down the station buildings. But, first things first. The old church was a little hidden away up against the edge support of the layout. It was never going to be easy to take nice pics, or feature it at shows.

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And so I reached for the foam cutter and started to melt my mountain into shape. A couple of years ago I moved into a new house and had to buy a heap of new stuff (best not to dwell on the details of why). Even though my layout was still laying in dust in a storage unit for the previous 3 years, I had the foresight to collect every bit of polystyrene that was packed in with said "stuff". Great decision TC. Even though most of my terrain is plaster cloth and wire the foam is now coming into its own to do the fine, more precise shapes and detail.

A long around way of saying, St Cuthbert's on the Mount is rising out of the dirt to its rightful place closer to the almighty. Still has placeholder groundcover and once the glue joining the two bits together is set, it will receive it's textured paint. I kinda like the way it now provides a cutting into Bolsover Station curve.

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As for the ballast, that is something I haven't wanted to do, because it looks like a messy thing to correct if it goes wrong, not to mention to potential of screwing with my points. So, I picked a far flung corner between station and pit and gave it a whirl. Seems to have come out OK, bit hard to tell until the rest of the grass and soil, fences and stuff are in situ. I am thinking that back in the days of steam the darker, grungy ballast makes more sense, especially around stations and yards. And perhaps fading to a lighter, cleaner mix for the long country sections.

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Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: DarrwestLU6 on June 05, 2019, 04:12:46 PM
That is looking very pretty! Like the church on it's hill and the cut down foam embankment. You mentioned a hot wire cutter - I found a few on ebay - but before I take the plunge - anything I should look out for / be wary of?

The one on ebay looks a bit like a horseshoe with a wire across the prongs...
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on June 06, 2019, 01:03:10 AM
That is looking very pretty! Like the church on it's hill and the cut down foam embankment. You mentioned a hot wire cutter - I found a few on ebay - but before I take the plunge - anything I should look out for / be wary of?

The one on ebay looks a bit like a horseshoe with a wire across the prongs...

Mine is a cheap and nasty one, worth about $20. However, given all they are is a hot wire they don't need to be too complex. Some things to look for: the widest possible distance between the two prongs, as this determines the thickest piece of foam you can cut without fiddling around. Mine is adjustable, but it is set at the widest and I never alter it; has a power connection - these things chew through batteries (like, dead in minutes). Mine had the connector and I bought a multi voltage adapter for an electronics shop and set it to the highest rating for the cutter (6V); An on/off switch on the handle is really useful too as it allows you to quickly put down the cutter and flick back and forth with worrying about a) burning yourself, b) burning the house down or c) faffing a the power point. Also you will likely go through filaments quicker if you just leave it on.

They are pretty simple. I certainly wouldn't be paying exhorbitant amounts for the Woodland Scenics branded version or similar.

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Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: DarrwestLU6 on June 06, 2019, 03:43:41 PM
Many thanks!  :thankyousign:
Title: The Path to Enlightenment
Post by: trevis on June 09, 2019, 02:30:37 AM
Work continues apace on the church, with artisans and craftsmen all throwing their time and effort in around the clock to reach the parish demands.

The groundwork was finally finished offering a nice solid, level foundation. A coat or two of textured paint, plus some judicious sponging of a slightly darker brown, brought it into line with the rest of the camouflaged surrounds. Followed by seeding the first round of turf. Even though I have been collecting containers of it for a couple of years, it's the first time I have actually got to the point where I can crack it open. Trepidatious, but relatively successful. I was perhaps a tad overly cautious and went with about three parts glue to one part water  ;D  At least it didn't all blow away at the first passing breeze...

Then in went the road, although it is taking an age to dry out now winter has arrived. The others so far have generally been ready within a few hours, but this one is twenty four hours and still soft. But it hasn't stopped progression, with some more undergrowth and turf in a variety of mixes, a bit fencing, and the start of something that actually tells me I might not be a complete numpty when it comes to modelling. The first bit of the layout that I think really gets anywhere even close to looking done. Lots to go of course, cemetery, power, finish the road, etc. but a hint of a sign of a whiff of maybe, sort of something reasonable.

Oh, and I have just noticed the old wooden cross has suffered a little in the works. I shall have to get the maintenance crew in to work their magic.

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Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Bealman on June 09, 2019, 02:43:29 AM
Looking good!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: crewearpley40 on June 09, 2019, 03:39:29 AM
you have certainly captured the stonework well
Title: Rocky Road
Post by: trevis on June 24, 2019, 01:01:01 PM
So in the midst of a wet chilly winter I have set to on some simple tasks, away from buildings. Trees, roads and walls are the order of the day. It seems I have done nothing but glue foliage on trees for the past few weeks. However, today's topic is the work of the weekend, rough stone walls.

Much like the hedges I gave a go at awhile back I have based my walls on strips of scourer sponge. But now I learned a few little lessons that made things a little more successful - at least I think so. Still some refinement to go, but so cheap I can try, try again. Probably only work out at less than 10c per strip.

The first time around I soaked the strips in glue, but because they are porous they soaked it up and took forever to dry. For the walls I coated them in textured paint first to seal them off. I am amazed how much use I am getting out of my textured paint, seems appropriate for everything. So I highly recommend it, even though it might be a bit expensive, it does go a long way. This gave me a nice hard shell, but still left the strip flexible.

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Then, because the walls are to be grey stone I painted the strips with a dark grey topcoat so anything that showed through wouldn't be too obvious.

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For my stonework I have gone with a fine aquarium stone. Cover the strips in PVC glue and sprinkle over. This took a bit of time as I could only do one side at a time, then await drying. Turn, glue, sprinkle, wait... After the stones were all on I did the tops in a mixed green fine turf for a bit of mossiness. Still very bendy, and keep their shape once bent. The little bit of scourer left showing is the bit I could hang on to as I worked. Last thing to do was to chop that little green bit off.

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Now, on first inspection I could say the stones would be better placed if I could guarantee them to lay horizontal, rather than as they fall, but at that size it's a bit of a job, other than placing them one at a time with tweezers  :confused1: Likewise, maybe the stones could be fractionally smaller.

All in all when placed loose to get a sense of effect I think they are a good start. We can always get better of course.

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Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Paddy on June 25, 2019, 05:30:31 PM
Metcalfe scaling does seem to vary a wee bit.  Having said that, so do the resin buildings from Hornby and Farish.

Paddy
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on June 26, 2019, 04:57:53 AM
Metcalfe scaling does seem to vary a wee bit.  Having said that, so do the resin buildings from Hornby and Farish.

Paddy

The Farish buildings are a completely different scale to Metcalfe in the ones I have. I have only gone Farish for the colliery buildings because they did such great pit heads. But if you put one close by a Metcalfe shed or the like, as you can see above, they are completely dwarfed.  :D
Title: If a Trees Falls in the Forest
Post by: trevis on July 23, 2019, 02:21:18 PM
So for the past few days it has been all about trees and ballast. I was starting to think there was a distinct lack of life in the landscape and only trees, shrubs and grass will solve the problem. I have been using a range of methods, but starting out with the Woodland Scenics bendable branches. Primarily because it is a reasonably large amount of countryside and the WS trees come in a pack of 100-odd stems.

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I started out using a few of the bush mixes, which created something of quite Australian looking trees (to me at least). Lots of branch with little tufts at the end of each. This progressed onto a very bushy cheap artshop diorama mix, which provided a much fuller clumpy tree (if not a little too green). And then onto the lichen mixes, both in autumn and light green, which offer quite wispy and very full trees. If nothing else I am starting to provide some life to the barren wastelands. At the moment I am using the little bases on the trunks so I can position things around, with the intent of pulling them off once I am settled and sticking them directly into the base cloth.

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Who knows I might even get enthusiastic enough to start bending wire and creating the from scratch, but for the moment its more about quantity and filler. I reckon I am still a few hundred short  :worried:
Title: The aging of enlightenment
Post by: trevis on July 28, 2019, 02:39:19 AM
As with many things in this hobby I tend to procrastinate undertaking things I have not done previously, not for lack of intent, but rather from fear of getting it wrong. And it so it is with weathering. But, into the breach and all that, what. I took a quick YouTube tour to examine the variety of methods on offer. As a pseudo-artist I already have a bit of this and that around the house, so I was most attracted to the creation of weathering powder from pastels, which I have in abundance already. I suspect buying ready-made specific weathering powders from Tamiya and the like would have become a much more costly business.

And so, I picked on a small building that sits up the back of the layout and gave it a crack. Firstly, before any weathering I did my best to colour out the dreaded Metcalfe white edges.

I grabbed my pastels and shaved off some grains of appropriate colours, in black, brown, rust and white, took to it with my stibble brush.

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By dabbing the brush into the dust and giving it some welly on the surface of the cardboard I was able to adequately transfer the dirt, trying to get a random pattern of varying shades.

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Once happy I sprayed it with pastel fixative to ensure the chalk didn't fall off over time.

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So, this all left me with my first effort. I am relatively happy that I didn't completely ruin a perfectly good model. Not sure whether I have been too subtle, or whether I could have gone a bit harder. However, it definitely looks better than when I started, so I count that as a success  :D (Unsure what's happening with that doorframe, it doesn't look like that in reality)

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Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Bealman on July 28, 2019, 04:39:45 AM
Looks good to me!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: crewearpley40 on July 28, 2019, 05:02:13 AM
thats a superb little structure
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Newportnobby on July 28, 2019, 09:34:50 AM
That looks very good (and thanks for showing which fixative you use)
Trouble is now, either the windows look too pristine or you have a superb window cleaner doing his rounds :D
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Bealman on July 28, 2019, 10:12:10 AM
As a matter of interest, is that a standard Metcalfe model, or a kitbash?

NewportNobby's comment about the windows drew my attention a little closer.

Looking at size of the doors compared to the windows, it is reminiscent of schools I used to teach at in NE England!

Just curious  ;)
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: crewearpley40 on July 28, 2019, 10:18:47 AM
Agree with mick and bealman there. Superb modelling
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on July 28, 2019, 11:18:01 AM
As a matter of interest, is that a standard Metcalfe model, or a kitbash?

Nope,  just a stock part of the twin track engine shed kit.
Title: It's all about Barney (Rubble that is)
Post by: trevis on August 04, 2019, 11:00:49 AM
Not a highly exciting update, unless ballast gets you going. Thought it was time to give it a go and see what damage I could do. I had purchased some Legacy Ballast from DCC Concepts a long while back for just such an occasion. That was when Richard was based in Western Australia and the shop was about 20 minutes from my house. Unfortunately he has now re-emigrated back to the UK and moved DCC with him to Settle (right next to the train station I believe). So, a more expensive business once my supply runs dry...

I have a couple of different colours, the black for the slow/parking areas such as stations, sidings and yards, and the lighter colour for the long runs. My basis for this is the steam era was dirty and dingy around the former, more so than a lot of people like to remember such as the nostalgia of my dad's reminiscences.

I ran a line of ballast across the tracks, then using a lining brush tried to corral the many errant granules, before spraying a PVC/water mix 1:2 ratio over the top. I did give it a squirt of dish washing liquid the first time to break the tension, but found it really wasn't necessary. After 24 hours it had set like concrete and a quick clean of the rails and flicking away a grain here and there seemed to do the job.

Interestingly, there were little patches here and there that hadn't taken the liquid and so a few drops were needed with greater accuracy after the fact. Probably my aim was a bit off. I did find that I got more accurate and fine tuned with each section, so you can definitely see a few bits where some retrograde action is required.

For the transitions between dark ballast and light ballast I ran over a few inches of light with a watered down black paint which increasingly added some grime and nicely blended the two sections. I did try mixing the two together in my first effort (between Langwith pit and station), but it didn't quite work as well as I liked, and the paint version did a better job.

All in all not bad and I suspect it will start to really take shape once some bushes and fences along the side start to appear.

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Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Bealman on August 04, 2019, 11:09:36 AM
Good ballasting job. :thumbsup:

The ballast does seem to be a bit coarse though. What brand is it?

Oh, sorry... Legacy. Sorry, but I've never heard of it!

I hate ballasting, and you've done a good job.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on August 04, 2019, 11:34:38 AM
Pretty sure it is the home brand of DCC Concepts. Definitely the N Gauge version though   :)

Looks Ok to me in situ.

Quote from: Bealman
link=topic=42224.msg582276#msg582276 date=1564913376
Good ballasting job. :thumbsup:

The ballast does seem to be a bit coarse though. What brand is it?

Oh, sorry... Legacy. Sorry, but I've never heard of it!

I hate ballasting, and you've done a good job.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: DarrwestLU6 on August 13, 2019, 03:16:57 PM
@trevis (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6922) - looks really good, I like the way you blended the ballast, good tips, and great photos.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: crewearpley40 on August 13, 2019, 03:31:26 PM
seconded
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on August 13, 2019, 03:39:50 PM
Cheers. I'm not actually convinced by the blending, so it's good to get a second opinion. In another section I have just gone for a straight cutover and then used a black paint wash to achieve the blend. Unsure of the better choice at the moment. More trial is required.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: crewearpley40 on August 13, 2019, 03:46:52 PM
richard is indeed based at settle :


https://www.dccconcepts.com/contact-us/ (https://www.dccconcepts.com/contact-us/)


i would have used a little grey and sparse on the black. remember steam sheds were filthy yet interesting places
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: DarrwestLU6 on August 21, 2019, 12:18:18 AM
Back to the subject of ballast and colours - I found this blog and colour photos quite interesting, let me know what you think: http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=13426 (http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=13426)
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: Bealman on August 21, 2019, 02:06:16 AM
Interesting link. However, to me at least, it reinforces the fact that ballast really is quite fine in the scale of things.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: trevis on August 21, 2019, 02:00:18 PM
Especially in N. And of such annoyance it is best to be avoided at all costs  :D

Interesting link. However, to me at least, it reinforces the fact that ballast really is quite fine in the scale of things.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: crewearpley40 on August 21, 2019, 02:26:46 PM
darren

to quote

Back to the subject of ballast and colours - I found this blog and colour photos quite interesting, let me know what you think: http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=13426 (http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=13426)

sure good reference material on the typical shades of ballast
and useful , thanks for finding this link
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways - It begins
Post by: maridunian on August 21, 2019, 07:03:36 PM
Cheers. I'm not actually convinced by the blending, so it's good to get a second opinion. In another section I have just gone for a straight cutover and then used a black paint wash to achieve the blend. Unsure of the better choice at the moment. More trial is required.

As others have said, real life track should guide us. Having been out for a trip along our local (single track, wooden sleepered, fishplated) branch line today, I can confirm that none of the ballast measured more than 4 inches in any dimension. This obviously translates into <0.5mm in N gauge. Personally I mix some beach sand in with 'fine' limestone ballast. It fills in the gaps, giving a more even overall look, eg:

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Mike

Title: Making a Hole Whole
Post by: trevis on September 08, 2019, 12:29:51 PM
So as you will have noticed there has been a big gaping hole in the backdrop of my layout where the trains go through to the fiddleyard. Not exactly scenically pleasant on the eye. There were a couple of obvious choices - surround it with foliage and have trains disappear into the undergrowth; or, a bridge. I gave the latter a crack. The main reason being that I already planned a road along the back and the hole bissected its path.

A new technique this time around, air dried clay. I cut out the shape of my humpback bridge in foam and then rolled a piece of clay to lay on top (with my bespoke glass rolling pin). Once every thing was dry, a bit of brick facing and contrasting card and it does the job. Could be a whole lot better, certainly not protypical of anything I have ever seen, and I will give it another go sometime down the line, but for the time being the hole is gone and the roadworks have progressed to finish the back route between Langwith and Bolsover. The local Council couldn't be more pleased.

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Lots of edges and detail yet to come. I really do need to start fixing some of these things into place and commit.  :D
Title: The Green Grass of Home
Post by: trevis on September 15, 2019, 01:42:01 PM
There was a little triangle of dirt sitting between the Langwith wye, so I thought it was a good chance to get a feel for what the layout could look like if I started vegetating.

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Of course poor old Reg Dakin's Garage is still precariously perched without footings or forecourt, and the trees still look somewhat artificial with their giant plastic boots; but, all in good time.

You can also see the start of the slag heap at t'pit in the background.

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I love the way the bushes and grass frame the ballast. Really starts to come alive, even though there is still so far to go.
Title: The green, green grass
Post by: trevis on November 03, 2019, 01:27:35 PM
A little bit more greenery is starting to cover the rolling badlands of North Derbyshire. Giving my Peco Static Grass gizmo a whirl, with varying success on the first couple of times out. No doubt skills and techniques will improve, which is why I have started up the back of the layout. Almost time to get some men working on fencing so that the livestock don't run amok when they arrive from market.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49005727538_913305713e_c.jpg)

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Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways
Post by: trevis on November 12, 2019, 12:54:35 PM
Time to get villaging. Went to work on a small corner of Shirebrook in an attempt to give it a more homely feel, rather than the very utilitarian terraces that so far abound. So a small laneway has been commissioned by the Council.

To start with some earthworks were needed to produce flat footings. Heavy Duty Spakfilla to the rescue once again. It never fails to produce the goods.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49053661788_72dedb5ce6_c.jpg)

Then the boys went to work spreading the asphalt, in between two or ten cups of tea of course, and commensurate shovel resting. Followed by a touch of dremel along the road edges to give that camber.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49054174291_f235b271a8_c.jpg)

And they were all ready to move in. A bit of fencing was needed at the big house to keep the children safe, and seeding of the ground. They haven't been able to stop the weeds from growing though.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49054405007_3267cc2463_c.jpg)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49054417902_ba1d339a25_c.jpg)

I will get around to edges and weathering I promise. I am slowly making my way across the countryside spreading grime, but it won't hit this this village for awhile yet. And those ugly big tree stumps have got to go - eventually.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways
Post by: maridunian on November 12, 2019, 02:50:09 PM
This looks great - especially the big new house & trees. It'd probably be a pair of houses over here. It has been known for people with enough dosh to buy the pair and knock through to make it one though.

Mike
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways
Post by: trevis on November 12, 2019, 02:53:19 PM
This looks great - especially the big new house & trees. It'd probably be a pair of houses over here.

Yes it is really a double. I may add a dividing fence in at some point, but I do kinda like the single big rich house at the end of the cul de sac
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways
Post by: trevis on November 13, 2019, 09:58:54 AM
Hah! I'll drop myself in it because no one mentioned it or noticed. Just went to the layout and realised the big house is sitting backwards with the front sits facing the backyard 🤣

All fixed now.
Title: Re: North Derbyshire Raliways
Post by: chrispearce on November 13, 2019, 02:39:06 PM
Hah! I'll drop myself in it because no one mentioned it or noticed. Just went to the layout and realised the big house is sitting backwards with the front sits facing the backyard 🤣

All fixed now.

I actually wondered when I first saw the pic. However, I didn't know what the other side looked like so didn't mention it. I wasn't going mad then!

Still looks all really good.  :thumbsup: