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Title: Union Mills update
Post by: daveg on June 02, 2018, 02:20:15 PM
I posted a prices request and a question about a possible City of Truro model, to Colin Heard on Thursday.

This morning I received the price list and a charming letter confirming that he will be producing a City later this year.  :claphappy:

Brilliant service and excellent news re City of Truro. I'm booking mine now!

To save folk looking to find Colin's contact info:

T: 01624 852896
E: colin.h@manx.net

Dave G
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: RailGooner on June 02, 2018, 03:32:26 PM
 :claphappy:
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: ten0G on June 02, 2018, 04:15:01 PM
There has been a mention of City of Truro. Now that would surely be a rule 1 popular locomotive. I could even run it as a preserved train among some diesels.

Good news indeed!  :claphappy:
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Jerry Howlett on June 02, 2018, 04:31:03 PM
If the Italian Tax bill doesn't bite me in the rse, this month and Mrs "H" doesn't see the price, I may have to have this one.  @Hailstone (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1193) will probably already have ordered them in every livery imaginable plus a unpainted version "just in case"   :D :D :D

   Jerry
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Papyrus on June 02, 2018, 05:36:19 PM
Oh no! This is awful news! I generally have no interest in GWR traction, but City of Truro is the one exception. Somehow I need to justify having it on an East Anglian layout. Help me out, chaps...

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: ten0G on June 02, 2018, 05:57:00 PM
Oh no! This is awful news! I generally have no interest in GWR traction, but City of Truro is the one exception. Somehow I need to justify having it on an East Anglian layout. Help me out, chaps...

Cheers,

Chris

RCTS specials if you model the late fifties?
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Newportnobby on June 02, 2018, 06:01:51 PM
That's gonna get @Bob Tidbury (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3442) all unnecessary ;D
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Hailstone on June 02, 2018, 06:04:52 PM
If the Italian Tax bill doesn't bite me in the rse, this month and Mrs "H" doesn't see the price, I may have to have this one.  @Hailstone ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1193[/url]) will probably already have ordered them in every livery imaginable plus a unpainted version "just in case"   :D :D :D

   Jerry


I have literally only just read this - Happy Days  :claphappy: but I will only be having one although I might repaint it in BR lined black!  >:D  :laugh:
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Roy L S on June 02, 2018, 06:36:02 PM
Pah! Not impressed, I had really hoped for something non Greasy Wet and Rusty from UM after three in a row....

At least that rules out anything of interest to me from Mr H for another year and I can stop dreaming of a D34 or J36. I don't think it's going to happen ever based on his current geographical allegiance!

Roy


Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: daveg on June 02, 2018, 09:15:07 PM
Which only goes to show you can't please everyone all of the time!  :(

Dave G
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Bob Tidbury on June 02, 2018, 09:34:43 PM
 :claphappy:  :claphappy:  :claphappy: :bounce:  :bounce:
What more can I say ,I hope he has taken my advice and got Narrow Planet to do the etched name plates .
I,will now have to go through my stock and sell another couple of locos to pay for it .
ITS A MUST HAVE AS FAR AS IME CONCERNED.
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Bob Tidbury on June 02, 2018, 09:45:54 PM
ROY LS
HE has done other regions so now us G W R fans can get some reasonably priced locos that are GUARANTEED to run straight out of the box and pull whatever  load you want ,plus I know they will,out last me ,without the worry of  circuit boards or wiring catching fire .
Ok not all singing all dancing with all the bells and whistles but as the late COLIN  MASSINGHAM SAID ABOUT MTK ,I GIVE YOU THE BASICS AND THEN ITS UP TO YOU.
Iím at a show this weekend ,D E M U at BURTON on TRENT but the phone will be going on Monday morning of that you can be sure.
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: zwilnik on June 02, 2018, 10:13:22 PM
Brilliant news. Will have to get my order in :)
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Newportnobby on June 02, 2018, 10:51:45 PM
Quote from Wikipedia.

In 1957 City of Truro was returned to service by British Railways Western Region. The locomotive was based at Didcot, and was used both for hauling special excursion trains and for normal revenue services, usually on the Didcot, Newbury and Southampton line, and was renumbered back to 3440, and repainted into the ornate livery it carried at the time of its speed record in 1904.

Did CoT ever carry late crest and, if so, would UM produce such a thing?
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: daveg on June 03, 2018, 07:49:28 AM
I'm sure I've read somewhere that if asked nicely and in time, undecorated locos can be supplied.

Is this photo any help, Mick?

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7179-0-26294400-1361447459.jpg (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7179-0-26294400-1361447459.jpg)

I watched CoT being backed into the railway museum in Swindon (I lived there as a lad) on a low loader. I remember the Pickford's truck dug holes in the tarmac as it struggled to get up on to the paved area in front of the building.

http://www.swindonweb.com/index.asp?m=8&s=116&ss=336&t=CITY+OF+TRURO (http://www.swindonweb.com/index.asp?m=8&s=116&ss=336&t=CITY+OF+TRURO)

Apologies if everyone has seen all this before!

Dave G
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: GrahamB on June 03, 2018, 08:03:47 AM
Oh dear.

I think I can just about justify one. I'll just stretch my timeframe a little bit more.
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Newportnobby on June 03, 2018, 09:25:30 AM
I'm sure I've read somewhere that if asked nicely and in time, undecorated locos can be supplied.

Is this photo any help, Mick?

[url]http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7179-0-26294400-1361447459.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7179-0-26294400-1361447459.jpg[/url])



Ugh! :sick2:
Sorry, Dave, but to me that looks pretty awful. I guess I'll wait to see what liveries Colin will be doing and may have to settle for an early crest
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Papyrus on June 03, 2018, 03:32:50 PM
Oh no! This is awful news! I generally have no interest in GWR traction, but City of Truro is the one exception. Somehow I need to justify having it on an East Anglian layout. Help me out, chaps...

Cheers,

Chris

RCTS specials if you model the late fifties?

That'll do for me!  :D

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: joe cassidy on June 03, 2018, 08:14:58 PM
I'll buy COT as a rule1 purchase.

If I was Colin I would double my normal production run for this one.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: ten0G on June 04, 2018, 12:41:48 PM
I'm sure I've read somewhere that if asked nicely and in time, undecorated locos can be supplied.

Is this photo any help, Mick?

[url]http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7179-0-26294400-1361447459.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7179-0-26294400-1361447459.jpg[/url])



Ugh! :sick2:
Sorry, Dave, but to me that looks pretty awful. I guess I'll wait to see what liveries Colin will be doing and may have to settle for an early crest


How about this then?

[url]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/GWR_3440_City_of_Truro_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1479746.jpg[/url] ([url]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/GWR_3440_City_of_Truro_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1479746.jpg[/url]) shows the livery nicely, looks like the darker pre 1928 green. Railmatch RM600 or Precision Paints.
Alan
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Dr Al on June 04, 2018, 01:19:55 PM
I'm sure I've read somewhere that if asked nicely and in time, undecorated locos can be supplied.

[url]http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7179-0-26294400-1361447459.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7179-0-26294400-1361447459.jpg[/url])


It can't actually ever run like this as it was withdrawn from traffic in 1931, 17 years before BR. So the only livery that's correct is GWR I'd assume.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: javlinfaw7 on June 04, 2018, 02:51:40 PM
Did CoT ever carry late crest and, if so, would UM produce such a thing?

Further down the Wikipedea article it states "During its restoration in 1984, the locomotive was the subject of a 'spoof' by Steam Railway magazine. The engine was being restored on the Severn Valley Railway, and workshops foreman Alun Rees suggested to editor David Wilcock to repaint the driver's side of the locomotive in BR lined black as 3717. This took place, and several pictures of the engine as 3717 were taken on shed at Bridgnorth and in the Bridgnorth yard. It was almost discovered by John Coiley when he visited the railway that year, but Rees had the engine parked with its driver's side along the workshop's wall so it couldn't be seen. The images were released in 1985 with the note that 'proposals for a double chimney and high sided tender were narrowly defeated...' This subsequently upset many GWR enthusiasts; however, the engine never ran in this livery both in service or in preservation"
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: ten0G on June 04, 2018, 02:53:57 PM
I'm sure I've read somewhere that if asked nicely and in time, undecorated locos can be supplied.

[url]http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7179-0-26294400-1361447459.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7179-0-26294400-1361447459.jpg[/url])


It can't actually ever run like this as it was withdrawn from traffic in 1931, 17 years before BR. So the only livery that's correct is GWR I'd assume.

Cheers,
Alan


Quote from Wikipedia.

In 1957 City of Truro was returned to service by British Railways Western Region. The locomotive was based at Didcot, and was used both for hauling special excursion trains and for normal revenue services, usually on the Didcot, Newbury and Southampton line, and was renumbered back to 3440, and repainted into the ornate livery it carried at the time of its speed record in 1904.


([url]http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/gallery/album_4097/med_gallery_14351_4097_227974.jpg[/url])

What it is hauling in that photo? Crimson Cream obviously, but Collett coaches maybe?


Yes, Collett coaches I think. The first two look like 1930s mainline stock, the same family that Hornby has recently released in 00. The last vehicle looks like a sunshine brake.
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Newportnobby on June 04, 2018, 04:05:18 PM
I'm sure I've read somewhere that if asked nicely and in time, undecorated locos can be supplied.

[url]http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7179-0-26294400-1361447459.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_02_2013/post-7179-0-26294400-1361447459.jpg[/url])


It can't actually ever run like this as it was withdrawn from traffic in 1931, 17 years before BR. So the only livery that's correct is GWR I'd assume.

Cheers,
Alan


I was basing my comments on this quote from Wikipedia, Alan. @Dr Al (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=263)

In 1957 City of Truro was returned to service by British Railways Western Region. The locomotive was based at Didcot, and was used both for hauling special excursion trains and for normal revenue services, usually on the Didcot, Newbury and Southampton line, and was renumbered back to 3440, and repainted into the ornate livery it carried at the time of its speed record in 1904. She was withdrawn for a second time in 1961
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Dr Al on June 04, 2018, 04:07:47 PM
Here she is in 1957, nobby:

http://steamworldmag.co.uk/index.php/gallery/image-009-1/ (http://steamworldmag.co.uk/index.php/gallery/image-009-1/)

cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Newportnobby on June 04, 2018, 04:12:06 PM
Now that's the one I could go for even though it looks like a GWR crest on the tender. Thanks, Alan.
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: daveg on June 04, 2018, 04:52:58 PM
Here she is in 1957, nobby:

[url]http://steamworldmag.co.uk/index.php/gallery/image-009-1/[/url] ([url]http://steamworldmag.co.uk/index.php/gallery/image-009-1/[/url])

cheers,
Alan


Great picture.  :thankyousign:

Dave G
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: ten0G on June 04, 2018, 05:11:06 PM
Here she is in 1957, nobby:

[url]http://steamworldmag.co.uk/index.php/gallery/image-009-1/[/url] ([url]http://steamworldmag.co.uk/index.php/gallery/image-009-1/[/url])

cheers,
Alan


Superb, thanks. 
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Roy L S on June 04, 2018, 07:44:32 PM
ROY LS
HE has done other regions so now us G W R fans can get some reasonably priced locos that are GUARANTEED to run straight out of the box and pull whatever  load you want ,plus I know they will,out last me ,without the worry of  circuit boards or wiring catching fire .
Ok not all singing all dancing with all the bells and whistles but as the late COLIN  MASSINGHAM SAID ABOUT MTK ,I GIVE YOU THE BASICS AND THEN ITS UP TO YOU.
I’m at a show this weekend ,D E M U at BURTON on TRENT but the phone will be going on Monday morning of that you can be sure.
Bob Tidbury


Hi Bob

No disrespect but your lovely Pendolino has circuit boards and internal wiring, and that particular model is most certainly state of the art with all the "bells and whistles" one could wish for! I truly hope (and expect) that it will give you many years of enjoyment without catching fire just as your UM locos do or indeed any of the recent crop of highly detailed coreless motor Farish locos would!

Regards

Roy



Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Bob Tidbury on June 05, 2018, 09:59:05 AM
Roy LS
I agree my Pendolino is state of the art with all the circuite boards etc ,this was made by and sold by companies who are both passionate about model railways and in no way was I referring to them ,as you say I am very confidant that  the Pendo  will give me an outstanding performance for a very long time ,just as Union Mills Models do,and I canít wait to get my City of Truro by the way.
As we are now going way off topic I think we will have to close this conversation but just to address the balance  I do agree that the latest locos from both Farish  and Dapol have shown a big improvement from the comments Iíve read on here ,for instance  my Dapol Chiltern 68 is absolutely brilliant ,so perhaps we can look forward to better quality control from them in the future.
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Bob Tidbury on June 05, 2018, 10:32:25 AM
I have just ordered my City of Truro from Colin he has told me that the first batch will carry the livery as it was in Swindon Museum unfortunately it wonít have etched nameplates only printed ones it is going to be the dearest model in the range at £87 but that includes P&P it wonít be available utill the Autumn but it is in production now , but as it will have to be one of the last Locos I will be able to buy it was a HAD TO BUY  and will take pride of place on the layout ,along with the Poppylino and Chiltern 68 , Did I ever say I am a rule one man ,well I think that just about proves it .
Maybe if everyone gets together we can get Narrow Planet to do a batch of etched plates for the Forum members at a special price once we find out how many members buy a City of Truro.
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: daveg on June 05, 2018, 12:46:43 PM
I emailed Colin requesting a pre-order but not had a reply as yet. Maybe a call would be better.

CoT will be my very last loco as I have pretty much abandoned the idea of ever getting the DJM Class 23 Baby Deltic ordered back in February 2015.

Dave G


Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Hailstone on June 05, 2018, 04:05:20 PM
I have just ordered mine, Jerry Howlett please note ONLY ONE!!

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: zwilnik on June 05, 2018, 04:19:42 PM
Just ordered 2 before they run out :)
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: daveg on August 16, 2018, 10:56:58 AM
Colin advised by email that he expects the City of Truro 'delivery should be end of September into October.'

So not too long to wait.

Dave G
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Dalek on August 16, 2018, 11:59:35 AM
Just spotted this post, would have spotted it earlier if the subject was City of Truro !  :doh:
I've had a quick read through this, what livery will it be ? As per speed record ?
Any pics of the model ?

How do i buy one ?  :D

Craig
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Arrachogaidh on August 16, 2018, 12:54:36 PM
Best to phone Colin Heard.

Just Google Union Mills Isle of Man. Sometimes he is busy so try again if no reply.

Spoke to him yesterday afternoon and this morning a nice new BR J38 65929 arrived in the post. Can't ask better than that!
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Dalek on August 16, 2018, 07:29:06 PM
i'm a bit confused, whats new.. lol

what livery is it being made in?

Craig
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: daveg on August 17, 2018, 08:09:07 AM
i'm a bit confused, whats new.. lol

what livery is it being made in?

Craig

Not sure myself so I emailed Colin yesterday and hope to get answer soon. I'll post any info here.

Dave G
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: daveg on August 17, 2018, 10:24:42 PM
CoT livery info:

Colin advises - Livery on the first batch will be that of the loco in the Swindon Museum for many years. Plain GW green with GREAT WESTERN on the tender sides.

Couldn't be 100% certain but I think it may be this:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:City_of_Truro_3717_Didcot_(10).jpg

Dave G

Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: RailGooner on August 17, 2018, 10:42:14 PM
What livery did it carry circa the 1904 speed record?

Was it this:
http://everythinggwr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/3717.jpg (http://everythinggwr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/3717.jpg)
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: daveg on August 18, 2018, 07:51:20 AM
Think we need a GWR expert on this.

The UM version, first batch at least, to have Great Western on the tender and what appears to be a black frame. I was in Swindon in 1962/3 but I'm darned if I can remember the livery details.

Your photo shows a crest on the tender with a 'red' frame. What came first, crest or company name? I shall try and find out!

Dave G
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Bealman on August 18, 2018, 07:55:39 AM
CoT livery info:

Colin advises - Livery on the first batch will be that of the loco in the Swindon Museum for many years. Plain GW green with GREAT WESTERN on the tender sides.

Couldn't be 100% certain but I think it may be this:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:City_of_Truro_3717_Didcot_(10).jpg

Dave G

That's my favourite livery for this particular locomotive.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Dalek on August 18, 2018, 11:26:14 AM
Hopefully i will be available at some point with speed record livery that was also applied when it was used between 1957-61?
I'm getting this info from here --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GWR_3700_Class_3440_City_of_Truro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GWR_3700_Class_3440_City_of_Truro)
I don't think wikipedia is always 100% acurite though?

Craig
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: ten0G on August 18, 2018, 01:02:01 PM
Hopefully i will be available at some point with speed record livery that was also applied when it was used between 1957-61?
I'm getting this info from here --> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GWR_3700_Class_3440_City_of_Truro (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GWR_3700_Class_3440_City_of_Truro)
I don't think wikipedia is always 100% acurite though?

Craig

That's what I'm hoping for as well!
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Snowwolflair on August 18, 2018, 02:27:12 PM
This livery will be difficult for Colin as he sprays his models and masking for painting is far more complicated and expensive.

My plan is to paint my own to my standards with nameplates and extra fittings etc.
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: ten0G on August 18, 2018, 02:50:25 PM

My plan is to paint my own to my standards with nameplates and extra fittings etc.
Does Colin supply unpainted models? 

I think GWR green in the earlier part of the 20th Century was different from their later mid-chrome, and BR Brunswick, so I can see there could be extra issues. 

However, when she was restored in '57 to her original livery, that does cover two separate periods so I would have thought there is some potential there. 
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Hiawatha on August 18, 2018, 08:37:39 PM
What livery did it carry circa the 1904 speed record?

Was it this:
[url]http://everythinggwr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/3717.jpg[/url] ([url]http://everythinggwr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/3717.jpg[/url])

Not sure about the shade of green but the Indian red frame seems to be correct for 1904. Black frame came afterwards.

See http://www.gwr.org.uk/liveriesloco1900.html (http://www.gwr.org.uk/liveriesloco1900.html)
and http://www.gwr.org.uk/liveries.html (http://www.gwr.org.uk/liveries.html) for later liveries - the above Wikimedia photo (as no. 3717 at Didcot) is shown as an example for the 1906Ė34 loco livery.

I am also hoping for a CoT in "world record" colours! :heart2:
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: thebrighton on August 18, 2018, 08:57:44 PM
Does Colin supply unpainted models? 

I've certainly had unpainted ones from him, you just need to let him know early on so he can put one aside before they reach the paint shop.
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: RailGooner on August 18, 2018, 09:06:12 PM
I agree with Snowwolflair - I don't see the 1904 livery (with all that complex lining,) matching the Union Mills zeitgeist, so unlikely as a 'factory' release.

Though I fancy testing myself on the renumbering/detailing of one. A project for the winter nights maybe.
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Dalek on August 18, 2018, 11:21:09 PM
Would it be possible to have the fancy striping etc done as a some sort of sticker we could apply ourselves? Perhaps the chap that does the ones for the sides of coaches/ dmu;s could do this ?

Craig
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: thebrighton on August 19, 2018, 10:21:09 AM
Would it be possible to have the fancy striping etc done as a some sort of sticker we could apply ourselves? Perhaps the chap that does the ones for the sides of coaches/ dmu;s could do this ?

All the elements needed are available from Fox Transfers.
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Hailstone on August 21, 2018, 12:45:21 AM
Would it be possible to have the fancy striping etc done as a some sort of sticker we could apply ourselves? Perhaps the chap that does the ones for the sides of coaches/ dmu;s could do this ?

All the elements needed are available from Fox Transfers.

This seems to be true only for the black framed version numbered 3717, the livery as returned to service in 1957 was the earlier green with Indian red frames GWR in scroll form and double lining numbered 3440. only the scroll is available as far as I can see on the Fox transfer website

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: thebrighton on August 21, 2018, 09:49:38 AM
This seems to be true only for the black framed version numbered 3717, the livery as returned to service in 1957 was the earlier green with Indian red frames GWR in scroll form and double lining numbered 3440. only the scroll is available as far as I can see on the Fox transfer website
Sometimes you need to think outside of the box. You can use the BR orange/black/orange lining:

https://fox-transfers.co.uk/transfers/general-orange-black-orange-lining-58203

There may be a incorrect black line in the middle but on a darkish green loco in N you really aren't going to notice.
IIRC Modelmaster also offered orange lining.
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: CarriageShed on August 22, 2018, 10:36:08 AM
In other Union Mills news, there are no T9 4-4-0s to be ordered until next year. Colin isn't planning on making up a fresh batch until after Christmas.

So my K10 and L11 hacking projects have been delayed, not to mention the tender swap for my S15 and adding decent-sized bogie wheels to my 4P-to-2P Farish hacks. That'll teach me to leave it so long before trying to place an order!
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Dorsetmike on August 22, 2018, 01:15:58 PM
T9 would not be much use for K10 nor L11, tender OK for the K10 but most if not all L11s had watercarts, both had 5'7" drivers T9 has 6'7"; K10 wheel spacing 9', L11, 10', T9 10'. For an L11 you could hack a T9 by cutting off everything above the footplate except the cab then making a boiler from brass tube , splashers from brass or plastic. This is mine, loco  body all brass, tender hacked from Langley S15 watercart with UM drive, (built before the UM T9 came out)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Dorsetmike's_pix/Dir_2/main_6597.jpg) 
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: CarriageShed on August 22, 2018, 02:13:55 PM
...K10... had 5'7" drivers T9 has 6'7"
...K10 wheel spacing 9', T9 10'....

But given how much of a compromise N gauge is anyway, are we really going to quibble about a scale two millimetres...?
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Dorsetmike on August 22, 2018, 03:42:48 PM
...K10... had 5'7" drivers T9 has 6'7"
...K10 wheel spacing 9', T9 10'....

But given how much of a compromise N gauge is anyway, are we really going to quibble about a scale two millimetres...?
A lot depends where that 2mm is, I would suggest 2mm (1') difference in wheel diameter (5'7" v 6'7") does matter it's about 18% nearly 1/5th, whereas 2mm difference in wheel spacing 9' as against 10' is about 10%.

If that wheel spacing is on a 6 coupled loco then in most cases the spacing between front and centre and between centre and rear are often different in which case the difference between say 7'+7' and 7'+8' is glaringly obvious.

Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: ian_5a on October 04, 2018, 01:54:43 PM

City of Truro will be available end of October, £87 plus postage

I failed to upload a scan of the latest list of locos from Colin Heard.  He has  Dean Goods,  Dukedog,  D20,  J25/26/27/39,  2F, 3F and G2 in stock but only one livery of some locos.   There will be another run of  the G2,  3F, Cauliflower, 2P and D11 in the New Year.
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Snowwolflair on October 04, 2018, 02:00:42 PM
Black picture please reload
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: daveg on October 04, 2018, 02:46:22 PM
If I'm lucky my CoT will arrive just in time for my birthday.  :)

Dave G
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: CarriageShed on October 04, 2018, 04:18:31 PM
...There will be another run of  the G2,  3F, Cauliflower, 2P and D11 in the New Year.

And the T9 too, as confirmed in conversation with Colin just a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: squit13 on October 04, 2018, 04:57:53 PM
...There will be another run of  the G2,  3F, Cauliflower, 2P and D11 in the New Year.

And the T9 too, as confirmed in conversation with Colin just a few weeks ago.

Excellent, I shall order a few T9s when they are ready!

Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: daveg on October 04, 2018, 07:54:54 PM
...There will be another run of  the G2,  3F, Cauliflower, 2P and D11 in the New Year.


And the T9 too, as confirmed in conversation with Colin just a few weeks ago.


Excellent, I shall order a few T9s when they are ready!


Good choice!

Here's mine. Lovely runner and handsome too especially after some expert fettling by @Ozymandias (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3534) of this parish:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/1087-150617100533.jpeg)

Dave G
 
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: CarriageShed on October 19, 2018, 12:46:56 PM
A lot depends where that 2mm is, I would suggest 2mm (1') difference in wheel diameter (5'7" v 6'7") does matter it's about 18% nearly 1/5th, whereas 2mm difference in wheel spacing 9' as against 10' is about 10%.

If that wheel spacing is on a 6 coupled loco then in most cases the spacing between front and centre and between centre and rear are often different in which case the difference between say 7'+7' and 7'+8' is glaringly obvious.

Out of interest, what are the wheel sizes and spacing on the Farish 4P like in terms of re-using a chassis for a Drummond 4-4-0?

Could a UM tender drive be fitted to drive it so that the Farish motor can be removed entirely and free up space for 3D LSWR bodies?
Title: Re: Union Mills update
Post by: Dorsetmike on October 19, 2018, 01:53:02 PM
4P should be OK for L12 and D15 which had 6'7" drivers spaced 10', L11 and S11 had 6' wheels and 10' spacing. The UM T9 tender/drive would be OK for the 6 wheel tenders but not the watercarts unless you add a pair of wheels and add spoke overlays N brass lorry wheels, not perfect but treated top some dirty black paint passable;
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=37612.msg445559#msg445559 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=37612.msg445559#msg445559)

 for watercart body Worsley works still list a 2mm kit for one, also lists a D15 body kit for 2mm and N
http://www.worsleyworks.co.uk/2mm/2mm_Loco_Kits.htm (http://www.worsleyworks.co.uk/2mm/2mm_Loco_Kits.htm)

I have built a 2mm Drummond 6 wheel tender on a UM chassis, so should be no problem with the watercart.