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Title: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Railwaygun on March 06, 2018, 11:49:24 AM
we are lurking!

Do you want to keep the MDS thread separate or merge it here

Railwaygun
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 06, 2018, 02:02:55 PM
For me the MDS thread should be left because they do other things and will probably confound us all at one stage by making standard gauge N gauge rolling stock in 1:160th scale.

Perhaps you could add a postscript to those locked threads as a pointer to this thread.

Thank You ,

Mike Beard
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: red_death on March 06, 2018, 03:01:58 PM
I know the mods have had a bit of trouble (perhaps an understatement!) keeping everyone happy but I thought it was a great shame that the RhB thread got locked - it made for some interesting reading (as did discussing the success of the range with Mr Kato!).

If possible I'd like to see it re-opened (it seems wasteful to start a new thread without all the pre-existing information).

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 06, 2018, 03:13:39 PM
I think the Kato Swiss thread was a victim of its own success in as much as it out grew its rather narrow title. I for one am hoping that by expanding the title we can still chat within its confines and not attract too much attention. Lively discussion can be unnerving for some, inspirational to others.

My oft discussed parcel arrived from Plaza Japan today. It all looks very nice but unfortunately I had to have the back of my eyes photographed almost immediately afterwards so no piccys until tomorrow but one thing I had not taken on board is just how much longer a III is than a II.

Happy Modelling,

Mike Beard. 
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: njee20 on March 06, 2018, 04:14:49 PM
Thirded.

It's been reported that the mods were only reacting in response to reports from the contributors, but most seem to have been quite vocal in not wanting it closed. If you get one person reporting they're not happy, and ten who are happy and (obviously) aren't reporting it, who should you respond to? That's rhetorical, incidentally. Like Mike I realise the mods are trying to please everyone, which will never happen.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: daffy on March 06, 2018, 06:18:50 PM
It would be preferable to continue the Kato RhB thread as there is a lot of quality relevant information and discussion about the Kato series.

I like things to be simplistic, but if we group ALL matters relating to the RhB - Kato, MDS, any new manufacturer who comes on to the scene, real Railway items, individuals layout plans and construction, etc etc - I believe we will end up with a very chaotic single thread that will not easily sit within the framework of this Forum.

This is why I established two threads, one for MDS Modell items (a growing area of discussion once they are released to members), and another for photos and videos of real RhB items.

I therefore feel that to merge these threads into one composite whole will only lead, once again, to the confusion of discussions and content the Kato RhB thread was exhibiting of late.

So my suggestion would be to reopen the Kato thread under its original name, but keep the posts within it upon that subject, and retain the MDS thread and Real Railways thread, and any other threads that members would wish to start to illustrate and discuss their own layouts (as is the norm here).

Just my view.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 06, 2018, 06:33:39 PM
Lets not strangle the baby at birth. Lets give it a chance to see how it grows. We've had a loud warning shot across our bows and a gentle nudge from a Moderator every so often would not come amiss. Often an outsider can see things more objectively than an insider.

The MDS thread is still open, I believe, and the other threads are frozen, not deleted so we can refer back to them. Some notification prior to being taken down would be appreciated so we can copy to here the vital bits, like how to remove a III loco body and decoder types and stuff like that.

The RhB is not a big railway and just how much "noise" can it generate?

Happy Modelling,

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Caz on March 06, 2018, 06:45:37 PM
As things have now quietened down the original Kato Rhaetische Bahn series has now been unlocked so that its useful information is not lost.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 06, 2018, 06:53:05 PM
We now have the best of both worlds - Thank You.

Mike Beard
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 07, 2018, 03:18:20 PM
Future Rolling Stock Needs

I was thinking about what I would like to be added to the available range of rolling stock. The most obvious candidate is a luggage/brake van with or without pantograph. The EW1's are so typical I doubt there will be any further coaches for a long while. Freight wagons are more the focus of my mind. Now we "already have" the curtain wall van in most liveries except RhB. I wonder why? :sleep:

Following from that I'd like an injection moulded flat wagon as they can be seen carrying all sorts and then it's a toss-up between a depressed centre wagon or a tanker, both are so typical. In all that's only 4 extra vehicles and they would change the face modelling the RhB. :D

As the containers that are generally loaded are so different to each other I'd suggest a 3D print cleaned up and used as a resin master to produce these. It's interesting because the model aircraft hobby is streets ahead of model railways in the application of resin parts. I suppose it's because aircraft are worldwide while railways are somewhat parohcial.
 
One thing I don't want is the new 6/7 coach sets as the expense of tooling would be huge as seemingly every coach is different. :no:

Just my thoughts, :dunce:

Mike Beard
 
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 08, 2018, 01:04:34 AM
Now we "already have" the curtain wall van in most liveries except RhB. I wonder why? :sleep:

Following from that I'd like an injection moulded flat wagon



the MDS wagons do include 'plain' RhB:
5131 in RhB red band, 5169 in RhB blue band

Flat wagons promised a couple of years ago by Pirata but seem to have disappeared:
http://www.winco.uk.com/Piratamain.html (http://www.winco.uk.com/Piratamain.html)

btw, RhB vans are not curtain sided, they are all solid sided.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on March 08, 2018, 03:56:11 AM
Flat wagons promised a couple of years ago by Pirata but seem to have disappeared:
[url]http://www.winco.uk.com/Piratamain.html[/url] ([url]http://www.winco.uk.com/Piratamain.html[/url])


Maybe there weren't enough people who did read this:

We would be pleased to take your advance orders using our pre-order scheme.

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: marco neri on March 08, 2018, 01:48:52 PM
Hi all.
I think will  meet’em at Verona Model Expo/Verona Fair   next 17/18 ( the most important fair/expo model railroading in Italy) and I will ask them some informations about Rhb releases.

Cheers

Marco
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 08, 2018, 02:40:17 PM
I emailed them earlier today but I don't expect a quick reply. Perhaps a face, waving Euro's??, might change their mind, who knows. As they were going to model the most often seen wagon it's a bit of a sad loss if they don't. On the other hand if they talk to MDS-Modell perhaps we might get some co-operation rather than duplication? I do hope so, the bag is too small to support 2 of things.

Happy Times,

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: njee20 on March 08, 2018, 02:55:17 PM
Flat wagons promised a couple of years ago by Pirata but seem to have disappeared:
[url]http://www.winco.uk.com/Piratamain.html[/url] ([url]http://www.winco.uk.com/Piratamain.html[/url])


Maybe there weren't enough people who did read this:

We would be pleased to take your advance orders using our pre-order scheme.


Peter & Yvonne at Winco are winding down, and they're just a retailer (and importer) anyway, so anything on their site bears no real relevance to what Pirata themselves are doing. Rather they're just saying "to avoid missing out, put in a pre-order", and who can blame them!
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 08, 2018, 03:36:12 PM
They have the best pictures of Kato RhB stock I have seen. Well worth harvesting! As to using? Always on the side of Gaugemaster!

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: njee20 on March 08, 2018, 04:18:44 PM
They specialise in Bemo, I’d sooner use Winco then Gaugemaster frankly, but not always an option, increasingly so.

I live about 15 miles from Gaugemaster, but rarely buy anything from them!
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 08, 2018, 05:19:49 PM
I live about 15 minutes from ModelMasters in WsM but I can't afford to shop there either.

Gaugemasters are good for spares though and helpful. That's where my controllers come from, except the Duette converted to a power supply unit.

I shop about all over the world, whoever is cheapest.

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: marco neri on March 08, 2018, 10:08:38 PM

...in the meanwhile
my home made RhB fleet ;)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3697-080318220650.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62725)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3697
-080318220753.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62726)

Marco
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 08, 2018, 10:18:16 PM
Nice scenery Marco! ;D

On a more serious note do you have good drawings of the flat wagons and are they accurate for RhB prototypes? It's possible that I might manage to get them made in the UK at a reasonable cost.

Thanks in Advance,

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: marco neri on March 08, 2018, 10:33:55 PM
Nice scenery Marco! ;D

On a more serious note do you have good drawings of the flat wagons and are they accurate for RhB prototypes? It's possible that I might manage to get them made in the UK at a reasonable cost.

Thanks in Advance,

Mike Beard.

 :)oh yes,
the tank is an old Fleischmann,
Two axles flat car are old Roco as the G- type
Bogies flat car are Minitrix and Fleischmann.....all cut buffers  obviously..
They still need repainted and decaled (I don’t know if exist Rhb N decals)

Good luck

Marco
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 09, 2018, 12:07:17 AM
Regarding the Pirata proposal,

Message 101 from Marco back in early 2017 had a link to the actual Pirata catalogue rather than the Winco flyer ( I couldn’t source that for my post yesterday):
http://www.piratamodels.it/pdf-cataloghi/cataloghi2017/Catalogo%20Pi.R.A.T.A._2017%20scala%20N%20Norimberga.pdf (http://www.piratamodels.it/pdf-cataloghi/cataloghi2017/Catalogo%20Pi.R.A.T.A._2017%20scala%20N%20Norimberga.pdf)

Repeating a pic from the 'other thread' just last month:

My long bogie flat conversions are either from Fleischmann or Minitrix standard gauge container flats. Both types need to be shortened to approximate to the RhB length by taking off about 20mm; the Fleischmann one can just be cut at both ends, but due to the slightly different construction, the Minitrix one is best cut in the centre.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/704-280118011308-61187421.jpeg)

For a laugh to see how far we have come, worth a look back at my
message #9 (June 2015) in the 'other' thread:

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28322.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28322.0)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 09, 2018, 08:53:27 AM
Pirata are a good bunch, they're at the N Scale Convention in Stuttgart every year and always have interesting stuff on their stand.

I might consider a day-trip to the convention again this year.  Last time I was over there exhibiting in 2016 there was a fair sized Nm modular system.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on March 09, 2018, 12:11:01 PM
I am still waiting on the parcel from Japan with my Ge 4/4 II, can't measure them yet. Could someone with a Ge 4/4 II and a ruler tell me if the drive would be suitable for a FO/MGB Ge 4/4 III ? Thank you. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6270-090318120434.jpeg)

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 09, 2018, 12:38:51 PM
I emailed Pirata yesterday but in English so I expect a reply might be a while coming. I also e-mailed MDS-Modell about buying direct from them, again in English.

My grandson is here so we will both need a sleep after lunch but I'll try and measure up the Kato *2 chassis after he has gone.

Kind  Regards,

Mike B.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 09, 2018, 05:53:54 PM
Risking the wrath of the Moderators. :worried:

I was searching on eBay and to fill space it came up with FAMA which I had forgotten about entirely. I did a Goggle search for both FAMA and Roco Alpin Line and I was amazed at the range. My thought is to purchase a bogie flat with stakes in 1:45 and use it to produce a drawing that can be scaled to 1:150th scale to see if patterns can be made for resin castings rather than 3D mouldings. Use Fox Valley wheel sets if applicable and Kato pattern semi-permanents? Follow it up with containers to fit?

And you can sell the 1:45th Master when you've finished!!!! :o

What do you think? :laugh3:

Mike Beard

Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 09, 2018, 06:53:56 PM
https://www.rhbmodellbahn.com/

These guys are worth a look. A long look. :)

Mike Beard
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: ntpntpntp on March 09, 2018, 07:00:01 PM
I remember a FAMA/UTZ set in our local model shop back in the 80s. Always fancied it but just couldn't justify it.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 09, 2018, 11:43:23 PM
I am still waiting on the parcel from Japan with my Ge 4/4 II, can't measure them yet. Could someone with a Ge 4/4 II and a ruler tell me if the drive would be suitable for a FO/MGB Ge 4/4 III ? Thank you. 

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6270-090318120434.jpeg[/url])

steve


Possibly:

Ge4/4II drawing here:

http://carsandtrains.com/ironroad/rhb/ge442info.html (http://carsandtrains.com/ironroad/rhb/ge442info.html)

Kato model wheelbase is 41mm
bogie wheelbase = 15mm
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 10, 2018, 12:08:53 AM
Are you going to use the TT Trams / Shapeways MGB Ge4/4III?
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 10, 2018, 12:11:18 AM
More new coaches added by TT Trams on Shapeways:

Five variants of RhB EWIV.

So, if 3D models are one's thing, all standard RhB coach types are now available in 1:150


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Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on March 10, 2018, 12:19:39 AM
Are you going to use the TT Trams / Shapeways MGB Ge4/4III?

No, not at this stage. I will contact the designer first and ask for some changes (location of head lights, change round to square head lights, size of the shield). And ask to offer it in Hi Res Acrylic.

I've owned the Bemo one when they first came out and it would be fun to have one again.

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on March 10, 2018, 04:31:19 AM
My thought is to purchase a bogie flat with stakes in 1:45 and use it to produce a drawing that can be scaled to 1:150th scale

You could also contact rhb.ch and buy a copy of a blue print from them, probably more accurate than scaling down a model which was built with compromises already. Just a thought.

steve  :pint:
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: David Dawes on March 11, 2018, 08:27:46 AM
Regarding the Pirata proposal,

Message 101 from Marco back in early 2017 had a link to the actual Pirata catalogue rather than the Winco flyer ( I couldn’t source that for my post yesterday):
[url]http://www.piratamodels.it/pdf-cataloghi/cataloghi2017/Catalogo%20Pi.R.A.T.A._2017%20scala%20N%20Norimberga.pdf[/url] ([url]http://www.piratamodels.it/pdf-cataloghi/cataloghi2017/Catalogo%20Pi.R.A.T.A._2017%20scala%20N%20Norimberga.pdf[/url])

Repeating a pic from the 'other thread' just last month:

My long bogie flat conversions are either from Fleischmann or Minitrix standard gauge container flats. Both types need to be shortened to approximate to the RhB length by taking off about 20mm; the Fleischmann one can just be cut at both ends, but due to the slightly different construction, the Minitrix one is best cut in the centre.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/704-280118011308-61187421.jpeg[/url])

For a laugh to see how far we have come, worth a look back at my
message #9 (June 2015) in the 'other' thread:

[url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28322.0[/url] ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=28322.0[/url])

If the log flats become available where do you think we could purchase/pre order them, especially with WinCo retiring
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: David Dawes on March 11, 2018, 08:57:07 AM
Has anyone converted tank wagons, containers/f!at wagons hopper wagons to look like RhB ones, I see the old minitrix hopper car could be a reasonable copy with a yellow or grey repaint
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on March 11, 2018, 09:25:13 AM
I see the old minitrix hopper car could be a reasonable copy with a yellow or grey repaint


Which one ? This one ?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6270-110318092225.jpeg)

Hmmm, food for thoughts.

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: David Dawes on March 11, 2018, 09:47:58 AM
I see the old minitrix hopper car could be a reasonable copy with a yellow or grey repaint


Which one ? This one ?

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6270-[/url]
110318092225.jpeg)


Hmmm, food for thoughts.

steve


Yes that's the one
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on March 11, 2018, 09:54:22 AM
How about turning a Walthers Difco Dump car

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6270-110318094532.jpeg)

into something close to a RhB Fau ?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6270-110318095021.jpeg)

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: David Dawes on March 11, 2018, 10:23:18 AM
How about turning a Walthers Difco Dump car

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6270-110318094532.jpeg[/url])

into something close to a RhB Fau ?

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6270-110318095021.jpeg[/url])

steve

Good one Steve, change coupler, repaint your nearly there
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: AlanL on March 11, 2018, 04:08:14 PM
Not sure if this is correct place to post this. If not please move. I am new to the forum and to wanting to model the Swiss type narrow gauge. I have obtained all of the Kato items like the Allegras and the GE4/4 II and III.
Is there a good site or books that can guide me in learning more about the lines. I get confused as to what is what!  Is the Rhaetian Railway the parent company for the narrow gauge such as the Bernina express and so on.
A lot to learn!
Thank you
Regards - Alan
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: David Dawes on March 11, 2018, 04:51:42 PM
How about turning a Walthers Difco Dump car

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6270-110318094532.jpeg[/url])

into something close to a RhB Fau ?

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6270-110318095021.jpeg[/url])

steve

Good one Steve, change coupler, repaint your nearly there


Just picked up 2 of the walthers and 5 minitrix hoppers of good old ebay
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: David Dawes on March 11, 2018, 04:56:00 PM
Not sure if this is correct place to post this. If not please move. I am new to the forum and to wanting to model the Swiss type narrow gauge. I have obtained all of the Kato items like the Allegras and the GE4/4 II and III.
Is there a good site or books that can guide me in learning more about the lines. I get confused as to what is what!  Is the Rhaetian Railway the parent company for the narrow gauge such as the Bernina express and so on.
A lot to learn!
Thank you
Regards - Alan

Alan, the RhB is a stand alone railway and the biggest narrow gauge in its own right, with 2 power supplies, 11000 ac for the majority and 1000dc for the Bernina into Italy from St Morits . The Allegra units are dual voltage so can run anywhere the loco s just AC. Book wise check out ebay and Amazon, lots of Video on You Tube
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 11, 2018, 05:03:56 PM
I'll second the YouTube bit. The picture quality is grand and it's some much more interesting than UK TV.

For books ebay worldwide or certainly Europe will pick up any number. I use RhB as a search icon.

There are two other relevant topicss. One I find by searching the Forum for "Kato Swiss" and the othe deals with "MDS-Modell" who are bringing out vans.

Hope this helps,

Mike Beard.

Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: daffy on March 11, 2018, 05:15:43 PM
Not sure if this is correct place to post this. If not please move. I am new to the forum and to wanting to model the Swiss type narrow gauge. I have obtained all of the Kato items like the Allegras and the GE4/4 II and III.
Is there a good site or books that can guide me in learning more about the lines. I get confused as to what is what!  Is the Rhaetian Railway the parent company for the narrow gauge such as the Bernina express and so on.
A lot to learn!
Thank you
Regards - Alan

Hi Alan, the RhB's own website is a mine of useful info of course, including this schematic of their network:

https://www.rhb.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/redaktion/Ueber_die_RhB/Unternehmen/Dokumente/Linienplan/Linienplan_Rhaetische_Bahn.pdf (https://www.rhb.ch/fileadmin/user_upload/redaktion/Ueber_die_RhB/Unternehmen/Dokumente/Linienplan/Linienplan_Rhaetische_Bahn.pdf)

Their home page is here :

https://www.rhb.ch/en/home (https://www.rhb.ch/en/home)

This is the English language homepage, though more info is to be found in their German language pages, everything from management structure to rolling stock. I suggest you go exploring through its many avenues.

For an overview, Wikipedia is a grand place to start:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhaetian_Railway (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhaetian_Railway)

Again this is the English page. German version may have more, I'm not sure.

If you have difficulty understanding the German - as I do - Google Translate is an excellent tool that I find indispensable.

Have fun. :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: AlanL on March 11, 2018, 05:43:51 PM
Thanks for the leads to more information. :thankyousign:
Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 12, 2018, 12:03:48 AM

Yes that's the one


TT Trams (Shapeways) is the best Fac hopper, but before the Shapeways moulding existed, I made one up using am Arnold  standard gauge bogie Vigier ballast hopper (already grey) and a paper image stuck on with pritt stick. Simplest way IMO is to cut the top section off and stick on the paper.

This is the Arnold wagon I used

http://www.spur-n-modellbahn.de/mgdetail.php?nr=11131 (http://www.spur-n-modellbahn.de/mgdetail.php?nr=11131)



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Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 12, 2018, 12:07:20 AM
Quote
Quote from: retica on March 09, 2018, 10:35:01 am
Quote from: retica on March 08, 2018, 11:28:39 am
The MOB not only have the single arm pantographs the other way round mounted they also drive with both pantographs up all the time. Why ? No idea.

Answering my own question here but I assume it has something to do with the fact that they only run with 900V DC ! (But then, the Berninabahn runs on 1000V DC and I've only seen one Allegra with two pantographs up and that was in winter which could have been for a different reason.)
The MOB locos always run with both pantos up and also have special slide plates with three current collectors per panto.

(As this is not so much about the RhB I guess this should rather be in the "Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale" thread. 



I asked a Swiss contact of mine and he confirms it is the intense amperage draw on only 800v DC which necessitates both pantographs

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Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on March 18, 2018, 08:17:38 AM
I saw this picture (http://www.haribu.ch/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=838&pos=5) online...

...and I have had one of these laying around...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6270-180318004345.jpeg)
minitrix Kesselwagen (tank car)

...so I decided to build one of these

RhB Za 8130 Conrad-Storz AG

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6270-180318003847.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6270-180318003930.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6270-180318004154.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6270-180318004110.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6270-180318004002.jpeg)

Yeah I know, not 100% accurate, could have done more with brass handrails and so on but it will have to do as a stand in till a proper RhB tank car is available.

steve


Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 19, 2018, 01:43:21 AM

...so I decided to build one of these

RhB Za 8130 Conrad-Storz AG


Ironically, having toyed with a variety of European and American tank cars and converted or part converted several, I picked up the very same wagon recently from a 'cheapy' box at a show and was about to start a conversion job...

Have you got any smaller bogies lying spare?

The key to getting the narrow gauge effect with kitbashed stuff on this theme is implying the narrow gauge look. As I think I've mentioned in previous posts, I use American style bogies to acheive this 'miniaturisation' of the bogies, although on some wagons the Glacier Express coach bogies work quite well.
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/704-280118011332-61193431.jpeg)

Having said the above, I notice that the Za series wagons have bogies pretty similar to Y25 (ie the 'French' type wagon bogie in standard gauge as opposed to the heavyweight 'German' bogie on the Minitrix wagon)

http://www.haribu.ch/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=838&pos=8 (http://www.haribu.ch/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=838&pos=8)

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Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on March 19, 2018, 05:11:31 AM
Have you got any smaller bogies lying spare?

I was going to replace the trucks with something more 'RhBish' when available but having tons of 'Murican type trucks here I will have a go and see how it looks.

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 20, 2018, 01:43:29 AM
Here's the beast at Bever last Spring

see how the bogies look insignificant

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/704-200318013634-6312925.jpeg)


Here's a reminder of what I did with an Arnold Vigier Cement bogie hopper. Once the top 'rung' of the hopper is removed it's not too dissimilar  from the correct shape (as per Shapeways version on left)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/704-200318013613-63128309.jpeg)


and the real thing in the thick of the action at Preda last April

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/704-200318013755-631311331.jpeg)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 22, 2018, 09:16:18 AM
MDS-Modell

I've just had a look (22/03/18 @ 09.14) at their website and everything is still shown as +30 days. :worried:

I'm pleased I bought a couple of Kato Ge4/4's instead of hanging on for the German ones that look less and less likely. :(

Mike Beard
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: red_death on March 22, 2018, 11:00:57 AM
MDS-Modell
instead of hanging on for the German ones that look less and less likely. :(

Unless you know something that isn't public I'm not sure why you would make a comment like that - it may seem harmless to you but statements like that unfounded in fact lead to rumours that hurt companies...
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 22, 2018, 12:05:00 PM
Re - Comment by Red Death

As a manufacturer I'm sure you realise the value of communication. These wagons are overdue by my reckoning. As an act of faith I have reserved 4 unseen at a cost of over £100.  There seem to no photographs of undecorated samples never mind decorated ones. So I am actually doing my best to support the company even though they are not communicating. In the same way I have two sets of Kato Add-On sets for the Glacier Express bought and paid for. I'll not see them until June but judging by the way the RhB Ge4/4II emerged on the due date I have no worries. No doubt when Kato announce their next RhB increment I'll buy that as well.

So I am showing faith in the manufacturers and potentual manufacturers of RhB rolling stock. Once "Pirate" in Italy add their photo-etched flats I'll buy two, all I can afford at 80 Euro a go.

Could we look to Revolution Trains to add to our hoped for? We do need a short RhB luggage van to finish of the EW1 sets. 

Meanwhile I'll do the best I can to support those who support me.

Happy Modelling,

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: daffy on March 22, 2018, 12:46:51 PM
Since the last three posts are fundamentally about the MDS Modelle company items, i have requested that the Mods move these posts, originated by Mike Beard, to the relevant thread on this topic.

Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 22, 2018, 02:37:21 PM
RhB Freight Stock

It seems to me that we have a solution to the Ballast Hoppers. With a bit of work, almost any Arnold or Fleischmann or even Minitrix tanker will fit in somehow. I think I put up a pointer to a guy in Switzerland who does the depressed centre wagons complete with containers in different colours. So that leaves the various bogie flats. Gordon, you have made some - what is your starting point and how much do you take out of the middle and are the characteristic staunchons available or how did you make them?

Thanks in Advance,

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: ohlavache on March 22, 2018, 05:18:56 PM
Could we look to Revolution Trains to add to our hoped for? We do need a short RhB luggage van to finish of the EW1 sets.

Oh yes! Please!  :laugh3:
It would be fantastic.
I hope Revolution Trains will consider that.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 22, 2018, 05:30:54 PM
I'd hope that Red Death and therefore Revolution Trains would, maybe through a disinterested third party, discuss which vehicle/s they would produce with Kato and others. We currently have needless duplication of product in a fractional market. Also to bear in mind is the licensing agreements with the RhB which I cannot believe are cheap. You cannot commercially reproduce any of the RhB products or vehicle signs without it.

Time will tell. Certainly the estimated price quoted by MDS-Modell leads me to think there is not a premium involved, similarly with Kato who are certainly cheaper than Bachmann in the UK from the "right" shops.

Happy Speculations.

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 22, 2018, 08:27:06 PM
Since the last three posts are fundamentally about the MDS Modelle company items, i have requested that the Mods move these posts, originated by Mike Beard, to the relevant thread on this topic.

Alternatively I'd hope the Administrators will compound the MDS-Modell thread into this one which has really become a RhB non-Kato thread.

Happy Times,

Mike Beard
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 23, 2018, 12:28:49 AM
RhB Freight Stock
 So that leaves the various bogie flats. Gordon, you have made some - what is your starting point and how much do you take out of the middle and are the characteristic staunchons available or how did you make them?

The length of an SBB Cargo Sgns standard gauge long bogie flat scales down to approx 122mm in 1:160 and the various models available seem accurate to this measurement.

I calculated from data available that the length of the superstructure of the RhB long bogie flats should be 110mm (excluding any buffer head gear) in 1:150 scale. Therefore I cut off about about 7mm from each end.

If you obtain the model of the type of Sgns wagon with the double stanchions (eg Minitrix 13875 and 15608)  they are equivalent to what the RhB wagons have, so can be re-used.

If we wait a bit longer we will be able to hack up a brand new model (LOL) as Minitrix 2018 new item 15937 is a bogie flat with two Co-Op containers on it. The flat wagon could be shortened and given a log load while the Coop container go on to 2 axle chassis.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 23, 2018, 12:59:26 AM
Have you got any smaller bogies lying spare?


I was going to replace the trucks with something more 'RhBish' when available but having tons of 'Murican type trucks here I will have a go and see how it looks.
 


Interestingly my version of the same wagon model has different 'full size' bogies. I have dropped on one of my American small bogies and here is the comparison. I think you'll agree the US style bogie give it a more 'narrow gauge' effect


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/704-230318005626.jpeg)


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Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 23, 2018, 01:09:04 AM
Here's one of my work in progress Shapeways Haik; gives some idea of what we can look forward to with the pukka MDS version:

Two 'whole side' stick on paper images:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/704-230318010403.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/704-230318010147.jpeg)

Better pictures tomorrow I hope
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 23, 2018, 01:11:00 AM
I am trying a new version of 'stick on side' on my Shapeways NEVA driving trailer. Pasting on a whole side masks 3D imperfections, and works well on this stock which is mainly flush sided. At the same time the essentials of the roof shape etc are inherent in the Shapeways body, better than what I did originally which was to chop a Kato GEX coach

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/704-230318010452.jpeg)



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Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on March 23, 2018, 04:18:19 AM
I think you'll agree the US style bogie give it a more 'narrow gauge' effect.


Yes !

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6270-230318041326.jpeg)

I put some old Bachmann trucks under it, looks better now.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6270-230318041408.jpeg)

Thanks for convincing me Gordon   ;)

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 23, 2018, 10:12:46 AM
Before my brain goes absent without leave for the day I've been looking here at bogies or trucks:-

https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/list/565/5/1 (https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/list/565/5/1)

There are a huge number of different design trucks some of which look like short European ones. And miracle of miracles - they  are in stock! :)

Hope this helps,

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 23, 2018, 01:42:41 PM
RhB Hopper Wagons

In order to make me feel inadequate I found this:-

http://forum.spur-n-schweiz.ch/thread.php?threadid=5907 (http://forum.spur-n-schweiz.ch/thread.php?threadid=5907)

Look at it another way, all the detail is there for us to copy or ignore! :D

Happy Modelling,

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 23, 2018, 06:19:01 PM
I found this:-

https://www.rhb.ch/en/buendner-gueterbahn/angebote/werbung-auf-gueterwagen (https://www.rhb.ch/en/buendner-gueterbahn/angebote/werbung-auf-gueterwagen)

which might help to give scale to our efforts.

You too can advertise on a Ballast Hopper! :jawdropping:

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 24, 2018, 12:12:47 AM
I think you'll agree the US style bogie give it a more 'narrow gauge' effect.


Yes !

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6270-230318041326.jpeg[/url])

I put some old Bachmann trucks under it, looks better now.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6270-230318041408.jpeg[/url])

Thanks for convincing me Gordon   ;)

steve


Nice one Steve

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Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 24, 2018, 12:16:58 AM
Before my brain goes absent without leave for the day I've been looking here at bogies or trucks:-

https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/list/565/5/1 (https://www.1999.co.jp/eng/list/565/5/1)

There are a huge number of different design trucks some of which look like short European ones. And miracle of miracles - they  are in stock! :)

Hope this helps,

Mike Beard.

I've got quite a few of the Japanese bogies and they look good and I've tried a few experiments but for some strange reason the fitting doesn't lend easily to putting them onto European wagons in the simple way that the US type ones do.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 24, 2018, 06:58:48 AM
I've got 3 pairs of Greenmax trucks/bogies coming so I'll see.

Talking "elsewhere" about a coupling problem - I HATE Rapidos! - and I asked the not so obvious question:-

"Do MicroTrains knuckles couple with Dapol ones?".


Apparently the jury is out on that one which could explain why, price aside, Dapol have not invaded the US market. How I wish Microtrains would make couplings with T shanks and get it over and done with!

Maybe I'll fit Greenwich couplings to freight stock, smaller than Bemo ones!

It could be that couplings stall the 1:150th RhB revolution.

Happy Times,

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on March 24, 2018, 07:10:06 AM
How I wish Microtrains would make couplings with T shanks and get it over and done with!

They do (https://www.micro-trains.com/index.php?_route_=universal-coupler-2-pr-1128-00130012). That's that fiddly one.

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 24, 2018, 07:32:25 AM
How I wish Microtrains would make couplings with T shanks and get it over and done with!

They do (https://www.micro-trains.com/index.php?_route_=universal-coupler-2-pr-1128-00130012). That's that fiddly one.

steve

Ah yes, a right swine! Best assembled under water and make sure you have plenty of spare springs, they ping off into the ether. On the plus side apparently they come in 3 shank lengths so just right for both ends of a tanker or the long shank for ballast wagons. Thank You Steve, problem sort of solved! And the Ge4/4II gets a Microtrains coupler one end and a Kato Semi-permanent one the other. In fact - all locomotives do! What about fitting a Microtrains coupling to non-Glacier Express coaches to allow them to tow freight stock? It got difficult again.

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on March 24, 2018, 07:37:48 AM
make sure you have plenty of spare springs, they ping off into the ether

I glue the little spring with a tiny little drop of superglue into the little metal part before I start the swearing and putting them together   ;)

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 24, 2018, 09:24:30 AM
Wise move!
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 24, 2018, 10:13:34 AM
Dear Mr Kato

If you produce anything that Bemo produce in their H0m range in RhB rolling stock it would welcomed with open arms, but especially an EW1 profile luggage van.

In time for Christmas 2018 would be nice!

Mike Beard.

Yes, I do understand that in Europe there are also lots of people expressing a preference.


Mr Moderator - I realise this is in the wrong place and I would move it but with two options for Kato Swiss where to?
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Bealman on March 24, 2018, 10:29:48 AM
So you reckon Mr Kato is looking at this?

Maybe he is, who knows  :D

Apologies if he is.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: marco neri on March 24, 2018, 09:17:18 PM
 :hellosign:
My RhB tankwagen....
Tank is the old Roco EVA tankwagen
Chassis is the Hobbytrain FS flat with Y25 bogies classic italian
Still Needs painting and decals




(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/3697-240318211930.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63365)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: marco neri on March 24, 2018, 09:23:24 PM

Another one pic

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/3697-240318212227.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63366)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 24, 2018, 09:51:11 PM
RhB Kesselwagen

I've bought a pair of Minitrix short bogie tankers. I'm hoping they will be re-worked and put on GreenMax bogies and fitted out with Microtrains couplers. I've also bought a pair of their Fleischmann equivalents. I was looking through photos of of RhB tankers and there are some that ride/rode on plate-framed bogies that could be made out the typical heavyweight German bogie.

I've looked worldwide on eBay for the bogie wagons that are similar to the RhB flat bogie wagons but I can't find them anywhere. Still, I'm only just starting but if anybody knows of any "floating about" looking for a home please let me know.

Happy Modelling,

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 25, 2018, 09:38:56 PM
I've just found this guy:-

https://www.rhbmodellbahn.com/ (https://www.rhbmodellbahn.com/)

May be helpful,

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 26, 2018, 01:17:12 AM
I've just found this guy:-
https://www.rhbmodellbahn.com/ (https://www.rhbmodellbahn.com/)

Interesting, thanks. Not seen this before.

My thoughts:

10051-53: quite good, though for me personally, not different enough from my chopped down standard gauge efforts, and technically specific to Davos and Arosa.

Sb-v container tragwagen ('well' wagon): competitor to equivalent version by AK models on Shapeways. personally I have three of the Shapeways (which look slightly better to my eye) which I will persevere with but would be interesting to compare the two versions side by side.

Gmf 23401 - 04 (the new big BoBo things): competitor to equivalent version by TT Trams on Shapeways. TT Trams body looks better to me but it may be because the rhbmodellbahn version has a livery already applied

Gem4/4: same comments as for Gmf4/4 above

Gmf4/4 241: looks OK but 'printed livery' looks a bit strange

Gmf4/4 242-3: proportions look all wrong (should be much 'sleeker' and more modern looking (and with a longer nose) than 241 but model looks the same)
   
xa tu 93701-04 ballast conveyer wagons: good - no equivalent from other sources 

snow plough: good - no equivalent from other sources

BDt1751 driving trailer: shape looks odd - much prefer the AK Models version

MGB low floor: good - different from anything else available (will go nicely with my other MGB stuff already fashioned)

Overhead catenary parts - FABUOLOUS! - and cheap!
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 26, 2018, 09:30:28 AM
RhBModellbahn.com

One of their Driving Trailers went through eBay yesterday (25/03/18) for about £25.

 I wondered about the catenery structure prices. I thought they were a mis-print. Who'se going to be brave and ask ;)

Semi-Scratch

Both Gordon and Retica have been a bad influence. :) I've bought a couple of Minitrix tank wagons for having some work done and 5 of the Vigier hoppers, that was how many was on offer in one block, so that should keep me quiet for a while. :-X

Happy Modelling,

Mike Beard
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on March 26, 2018, 09:40:13 AM
and 5 of the Vigier hoppers

 :veryangry:  :censored:

steve

(so YOU bought them, I've had them in my watch list and was waiting on a paypal payment coming into my account)   ;)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 26, 2018, 09:58:46 AM
and 5 of the Vigier hoppers

 :veryangry:  :censored:

steve

(so YOU bought them, I've had them in my watch list and was waiting on a paypal payment coming into my account)   ;)

Yes I did, on an offer too! I struggled with myself for the whole weekend and if I seriously believed the MDS-Modell slidewalls were imminent then I'd still be struggling. When I get them I'm going to see just how difficult it is to replace or extend the end platforms and generally make them look a little more RhB. :confused1:

Cheers,

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 26, 2018, 07:52:40 PM
RhB Tank Wagons

Like a lot of people I spend a while each day reviewing the photos from Filisur Station. They drive me to ask just how many varieties of tank wagons does the RhB support? I never seem to see a similar one again.

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 27, 2018, 12:25:15 AM
RhB Tank Wagons

Like a lot of people I spend a while each day reviewing the photos from Filisur Station. They drive me to ask just how many varieties of tank wagons does the RhB support? I never seem to see a similar one again.

Mike Beard.

I know exactly what you mean Mike, and I get the same feeling, but it is not borne out in fact. Actually there are only three significantly different styles of main fleet tanker wagons, consisting of five variants.


All bogie wagons now that the famous 4 wheelers have gone:

Cement:

Uac 7991 - 8000 , delivered 1991
Appearance similar frame to Za 8121 - 8130 and 8141-50 below but slightly longer tank afaik

Fuel tankers:

Za 8105 - 8113, Oil or diesel tankers (Hazmat 30/1202), delivered 2002-3 (8105-8108 with JMR77 bogies; 8109 - 8113 with JMR bogies; 8109-8113 ex Uah 8173-77)
Appearance: ‘long thin looking’ tank type (slight dip in centre of tank). Heavy looking frame above bogies at each end only - no underframe in middle of tanker

Za 8121 - 8130, Benzine (33/1203) or oil/diesel (30/1202), delivered 1998. 8130 in Conrad Storz livery
Appearance: ‘short fat’ tank type, on continuous plate frame with ‘lightweight’ end tank supports

Za 8131 - 8140, Benzine (33/1203) or oil/diesel (30/1202), delivered 1973, rebuilt with new tank 1996-7
Appearance: ‘short fat’ tank type, on continuous plate frame with ‘lightweight’ end tank supports (the latter slightly longer than on 8121-30 and 41-50)

Za 8141 - 8150, Benzine (33/1203) or oil/diesel (30/1202), delivered 2004-5. 8141 in Conrad Storz livery         
Appearance: ‘short fat’ tank type, on continuous plate frame with ‘lightweight’ end tank supports
            
            
            
            
            
            
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 29, 2018, 12:04:34 AM

Experimental one piece paper overlay onto the Minitrix tanker. Looks quite good but the image was slightly too large so the Rhätische Bahn lettering at the right hand end is too off to the right. Also both bogies now sanded down US small bogies


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/704-280318235519-635011337.jpeg)

Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 29, 2018, 12:07:05 AM
For a laugh I photographed all the N gauge tankers I have bought cheaply from second hand sources trying to work out which is the best shape and size for a 1:150   RhB conversion


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/704-280318235345-634781041.jpeg)
            
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 29, 2018, 07:03:31 AM
Oh Well,

You have more tankers than the RhB has! :)

Mike Beard
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 29, 2018, 07:15:38 AM
FALLER N 212121 Railway Station LANGWIES

Does anybody out there know the footprint of this kit?

Thanks in Advance,

Mike Beard
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: njee20 on March 29, 2018, 09:15:23 AM
Google?

Length: 118mm
Width: 65mm
Height: 65mm
 (http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=FA212121&style=&strType=&Mcode=Faller+212121)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 29, 2018, 09:27:37 AM
Google?

Length: 118mm
Width: 65mm
Height: 65mm
 ([url]http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=FA212121&style=&strType=&Mcode=Faller+212121[/url])


Thank you njee, where was that? I looked but I must of missed it.

Mike Beard
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: njee20 on March 29, 2018, 09:40:08 AM
It's a link - you can click it. It was the first link when I googled "Faller 212121".
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: daffy on March 29, 2018, 01:37:50 PM
Hi Mike

You might find the Faller online catalogue a very useful tool for measurements and so much more.  (I think Noch and Veissman do similar for their models).

As you will see from this link below, for the excellent Langweis station not only do they give a ground plan, but full details of the model as well as a pdf of building instructions etc, which are really useful pre-purchase.
I find these catalogues excellent for planning with all the kit built models from these manufacturers.

https://www.faller.de/App/WebObjects/XSeMIPS.woa/cms/page/pid.14.17.89/agid.1128.1194.1247/atid.13874/lg.en/ecm.at/Bahnhof-Langwies.html (https://www.faller.de/App/WebObjects/XSeMIPS.woa/cms/page/pid.14.17.89/agid.1128.1194.1247/atid.13874/lg.en/ecm.at/Bahnhof-Langwies.html)

 :beers:
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 29, 2018, 03:46:58 PM
FALLER N 212121 Railway Station LANGWIES

It does look really lovely but the cost into the UK is prohibitive. Even for me I think it might have to be a birthday present unless I get a job. (Give us a job!) It's costing more than a set of experimental baseboards I'm making. Against that it does look like a hobby in itself, more akin to model shipbuilding than model railways.

Happy Easter

Mike Beard.

Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: daffy on March 29, 2018, 04:31:43 PM
Yes it is expensive, dearer than most of Faller's other Bahnhof buildings. But it looks great!

MSL have one of the best € prices excl postage - which is only €3.90 from them if you buy over €100 in a shipment - and you'll shell out €52.69 + P&P. (£46.22 + p&p at current rates)

UK suppliers are usually a bit dearer -

Osborns for instance: http://www.osbornsmodels.com/faller212121-langwies-station-kit-ii-41552-p.asp (http://www.osbornsmodels.com/faller212121-langwies-station-kit-ii-41552-p.asp)

But sometimes MSL and others have percentage sales off Faller every now and then, and that's what I would wait for if I was buying one as pricey as this. Sign up for their Newsletters for sale notifications. Worthwhile doing even if you look to buy one of the less pricey models anyway.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on March 29, 2018, 05:29:11 PM
Rhb Station Buildings by Faller

Of course we should not forget Stugl-Stuls Station with a toilet block. Unfortunately the living accommodation is not available to go with it. It's less pretty than Langweis but has a certain look about it. Maybe both on a "Roundy-Roundy run your engines in here" layout!

Happy Easter,

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 29, 2018, 11:33:03 PM
Oh Well,

You have more tankers than the RhB has! :)

Mike Beard

to be fair three of the grey ones on the bottom row were purchased from Arnold Ersatzteil as spare parts for standard gauge intended to boost my French standard gauge tanker fleet but diverted. The one on the extreme right is two Graham Farish 2axle tanker bodies (also spares tanks only) put together to form one long tank
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 29, 2018, 11:44:55 PM
Rhb Station Buildings by Faller

Of course we should not forget Stugl-Stuls Station with a toilet block. Unfortunately the living accommodation is not available to go with it. It's less pretty than Langweis but has a certain look about it. Maybe both on a "Roundy-Roundy run your engines in here" layout!

Happy Easter,

Mike Beard.

One point to note is that Langwies is a style fairly particular to the Chur - Arosa railway (A separate railway company from the original RhB until 1942), so for a high level of realism , if one's layout is intended to be a 'Stammnetz' scene, then Kato Filisur or Stugl-Stuls is a better option.

A reminder that I did a simple modification to my Filisur station roof to make it look more like some of the lower level Stammnetz stations.


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Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on April 01, 2018, 07:40:02 PM
RhB Wagons and a Layout is conceived.

So I now have 5 donor Arnold aggregate hoppers, two Minitrix tank cars and two Fleischmann tank cars to play with.

I've also been put on the track of a Japanese methodology of building highly adaptable portable layouts. The Japanese site is here:-

http://space.geocities.jp/popoya2008/menu.html (http://space.geocities.jp/popoya2008/menu.html)

I'll not mention this again here except for any links to a "Layout Blog" on this forum. I'd say that once you get over the horror of it all being in Japanese it is suprisingly descriptive although I have downloaded most of the build blogs and made "English Subtitles" for my reference. Everything else will be in a layout blog elsewhere in this Forum.

Happy Easter if its not too late,

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on April 06, 2018, 11:20:07 AM
I figured it out now, it's not the pantographs which are huge on the Ge 4/4 II, it's the locomotive itself which is tiny (http://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/schweiz~rhaetische-bahn~e-loks-ge-4-4-ii/561962/rhb-ge-44-ii-616-siemens.html) ! ;)

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: fitzgreyve on April 13, 2018, 01:33:40 PM
nearly ready for first print - RhB TM 2/2 (92) to fit Tomytec HM-01 chassis:


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6197-130418133057.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64106)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on April 13, 2018, 01:58:25 PM
RhB TM 2/2 (91)

That's interesting. I was thinking about one of those flat-beds with a loading arm, maybe on a Kato chassis.
Will you post where and how much when it is ready and will you be adding transfers to the item?

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on April 14, 2018, 07:44:52 PM
RhB Catenary

Right, I'm not going to get over-pedantic about the overhead, or lack there of but who makes the closest to RhB masts and spans?

thanks,

Mike Beard
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on April 14, 2018, 07:49:02 PM
Grubunden buildings

Has anybody out there got any ideas on what sort of architecture predominates around the RhB? I know I can buy loads of twee Swiss chalets and stuff similar but I honestly doubt that's an everyday thing. Can anybody point to a Faller/Kibri/Vollmer etc building or buildings I can use for normal houses and shops?

Thanks in Advance,

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on April 15, 2018, 01:05:46 PM
Grubunden buildings

Has anybody out there got any ideas on what sort of architecture predominates around the RhB? I know I can buy loads of twee Swiss chalets and stuff similar but I honestly doubt that's an everyday thing. Can anybody point to a Faller/Kibri/Vollmer etc building or buildings I can use for normal houses and shops?

Thanks in Advance,

Mike Beard.

In my layout exhibition blurb and my article in Continental Modeller I explained that my layouts I try and avoid the 'chocolate box' cliched Switzerland because in many cases, the architecture in CH is very much not chocolate box.

Like all of Swizterland, in GR old architecture  is regional, 20th century architecture is often not region specific

Famously the Swiss don't seem to care about putting hideous new stuff in amongst

An example I know well is here: https://goo.gl/maps/jnTkNjirY3L2 (https://goo.gl/maps/jnTkNjirY3L2)

Famously on the RhB there are some orange box houses near Bonaduz:
https://goo.gl/maps/oLqYEtaHS9u (https://goo.gl/maps/oLqYEtaHS9u)

Apart from that I'm going to say try google streeet view or  :searchingsign:
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on April 15, 2018, 01:09:33 PM
RhB Catenary

Right, I'm not going to get over-pedantic about the overhead, or lack there of but who makes the closest to RhB masts and spans?

thanks,

Mike Beard

Discussed on this forum extensively some time ago

 :searchingsign:

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Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Bealman on April 15, 2018, 01:54:56 PM
Wots chocolate box?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on April 15, 2018, 03:05:52 PM
RhB Catenary

Right, I'm not going to get over-pedantic about the overhead, or lack there of but who makes the closest to RhB masts and spans?

thanks,

Mike Beard

Discussed on this forum extensively some time ago

 :searchingsign:

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Well, I did try searching but I found nothing relevent so I was hoping for a pointer. I was obviously somewhat over confident in others help.

I'll carefully consider if I really want to keep posting here, perhaps I'm better off keeping it to myself.

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: daffy on April 15, 2018, 03:09:51 PM
Wots chocolate box?  :hmmm:


Dictionary def:

ADJECTIVE

British
(of a view or picture) pretty in a conventional or idealized way.
‘chocolate-box cottages lining narrow streets’

Often used on... er.. chocolate boxes in the UK in days gone by.

And, still retaining the Swiss theme - just  ;) - the excellent Swiss brand Lindt still uphold the tradition at times:


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/5634-150418150711.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64191)

 - a Swiss scene you can still see for real , but usually not without a few cars, an office block or a few other less attractive buildings - and some graffiti of course!
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: daffy on April 15, 2018, 03:16:33 PM
RhB Catenary

Right, I'm not going to get over-pedantic about the overhead, or lack there of but who makes the closest to RhB masts and spans?

thanks,

Mike Beard

Discussed on this forum extensively some time ago

 :searchingsign:

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Well, I did try searching but I found nothing relevent so I was hoping for a pointer. I was obviously somewhat over confident in others help.

I'll carefully consider if I really want to keep posting here, perhaps I'm better off keeping it to myself.

Mike Beard.

I'm surprised you found nothing relevant, as a Google image search for 'Graubünden Architecture' , amongst similar search criteria, reveals a whole host of useful results. (And aptly illustrates Gordon's point about juxtaposition of styles in Switzerland where beautiful decorated houses can stand beside brutalist concrete.)

As does the cab ride videos of the district I mentioned some months back.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on April 15, 2018, 03:48:48 PM
The problem with "Graubünden Architecture" is that it throws up so many beautiful buildings, not the mediochre of everyday living and working which is what I'm looking for. "Graubünden Architecture" is as atypical of the way average people live is as looking at the Royal Family and drawing conclusions from that. I'm really looking for the equivalents of the English post-war semi or its detached equivalent.

As to the reply on RhB catenary the inference is that somebody knows where and when it was discussed on the N Gauge Forum but is unprepared to assist in finding where that is. As I said I'm not looking for 100% accuracy, just similar is enough.

Obviously the way forward is to cover the layout in Chocolate Box, ancient and modern and Greenmax catenary. I don't think so.

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: daffy on April 15, 2018, 04:14:12 PM
As I stated
Quote
...... amongst similar search criteria, reveals a whole host of useful results.

Try a few similar related searches, as I did, such as 'Graubunden houses' which give, IMO, exactly what you are looking for.

And as extra inspiration, I would recommend the MITV series of films produced by Sue Knight (Harnett) and Chris Harnett,. They are now retired and their site only remains for info, but the films themselves are probably still available through the Swiss Railway Society. They are all recorded in the 80's and 90's and give a clear view of the tracks, the rolling stock,the buildings, and, if it helps, the catenary. From such sources it is easy to judge which of the catenary manufacturers produce something close to what is shown. None will be perfect, but some are better than others. It's all a matter, as in all things, of personal preference and choice.

Search here for 'catenary' to find what Gordon refers to, and on Google for the n scale catenary makers, such as Dapol, NBrass, and Veissmann.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on April 15, 2018, 11:08:22 PM
RhB Catenary


Why don't you use the search option ?    ;)  (just kidding)

I googeld this RhB Oberleitung and up came this (https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=RhB+oberleitung&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiIwOCRo73aAhUDVrwKHSvOAvkQ_AUICigB&biw=1408&bih=658#imgrc=BWcTI6Cz61JcpM:).

Sommerfeldt GmbH (https://www.sommerfeldt.de/de/?cat=c53_Schweiz-schweiz-53.html) could be an option to scratch something.

AB-Modell (http://www.n-schmalspur.de/zub-ole.htm) as well.

Or just build your own out of brass profiles in 1/150 ! The problem with most Swiss ones available is they are in 1/160 scale.

Then there's this one: RhB Modellbahn.com (https://www.freeshophoster.de/kunden/s000549/index.php?cat=c34_Fahrleitungsmasten-RhB-Spur-N---1-150-fahrleitung-rhb-spur-n-1-150.html)

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on April 16, 2018, 10:45:47 AM
RhB Catenary

Thank you Steve, helpful as ever,

Mike.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Bealman on April 16, 2018, 11:08:13 AM
Folks, you are enjoying a niche chapter on the forum here.

Please don't start infighting!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on April 16, 2018, 11:54:49 AM
If we were face to face it wouldn't occur, but we're not so we can't see each others faces so it happens.

I suspect we are all old and grouchy as well which does not help.

In the round we're OK though,

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: fitzgreyve on May 14, 2018, 09:18:43 AM
nearly ready for first print - RhB TM 2/2 (92) to fit Tomytec HM-01 chassis:


Very quick paint job to see what it looks like - no glazing, need to paint the chassis weights black, didn't clean up the wax properly. As usual, the photo makes the 3D printed surface look far worse than it is in reality (I normally matt varnish to counteract the 3d print artefacts).

Needed some fettling around the coupler slots (leading to the crack that is visible  :veryangry:) and adjustment of some detail depth (side grills didn't come out well originally).

Body and chassis sides just clip fit.

This is actually quiet a powerful little beast (body is only 30mm long) - easily hauls 3 wagons.

Now waiting for second one from shapeways to be delivered to create a finished version.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6197-140518091435.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65303)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: daffy on May 14, 2018, 10:27:38 AM
This is a fine little creation.  Looking forward to seeing the next version for how well the 3D production marks can be reduced.
 :beers:
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on May 31, 2018, 08:00:29 AM
Yeah nah, newest livery of #618 Bergün/Bravuogn

Viafier retica (http://cdn.ipernity.com/200/09/30/46670930.81a9f5af.1024.jpg?r2)

Rhätische Banh (http://cdn.ipernity.com/200/09/28/46670928.eb8b7a18.1024.jpg?r2)

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on June 02, 2018, 12:53:22 AM
Yes, its great that 618 has got its raised name lettering back (bet it was in a locked cupboard well hidden in Landquart works in the interim).

648 has lost its all red original livery so there are no original red locos running at all at the moment, so the Kato 644 cannot be used to represent 'at this very moment' on a layout!

648 in its striking new 'Blick' livery
http://cdn.ipernity.com/200/77/20/46297720.87b4ba37.800.jpg?r2 (http://cdn.ipernity.com/200/77/20/46297720.87b4ba37.800.jpg?r2)

Hai van 5139 has been repainted in a "Bundner Guterbahn' livery but can't locate a picture - will be interesting to see what this looks like.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on June 02, 2018, 05:14:22 AM
648 in its striking new 'Blick' livery
[url]http://cdn.ipernity.com/200/77/20/46297720.87b4ba37.800.jpg?r2[/url] ([url]http://cdn.ipernity.com/200/77/20/46297720.87b4ba37.800.jpg?r2[/url])


That livery is exactly like the Blick newspaper itself, hideous !  (IMO)

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: daffy on June 02, 2018, 06:44:31 AM
I rather agree with you Steve - that design, if I would call it that  :no:, is hideous. :o

Not all 'views' in Switzerland are beautiful! ;)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on June 02, 2018, 10:12:51 AM
Imagine the Daily Mirror would put an ad on a loco, it would probably look the same (Blick is the Swiss equivalent to the DM, full of fake news and stories about the royals)

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on June 02, 2018, 10:22:35 AM
#641 Coop got overhauled as well, the 3rd one which got the new brake system (dual brake) and the new LED lights (just to name a few of the new bits)

http://cdn.ipernity.com/200/70/04/46357004.0f536915.800.jpg?r2 (http://cdn.ipernity.com/200/70/04/46357004.0f536915.800.jpg?r2)

steve 
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on June 02, 2018, 10:35:49 AM
The RhB will soon (November 2018 and 2019) receive two more Ge 4/4 III (BoBo III). The MOB (Montreux Berner-Oberland Bahn) is selling their Ge 4/4s #8002 (http://www.rail-info.ch/MOB/pics/mob8000_.jpg) and 8003 (https://farm9.static.flickr.com/8763/17838609605_d6998ebf14_b.jpg). (some major modifications needed before they can enter the RhB system)

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: RailGooner on June 02, 2018, 12:04:30 PM
..
648 in its striking new 'Blick' livery
[url]http://cdn.ipernity.com/200/77/20/46297720.87b4ba37.800.jpg?r2[/url] ([url]http://cdn.ipernity.com/200/77/20/46297720.87b4ba37.800.jpg?r2[/url])
...


 :-[ I quite like it.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on June 11, 2018, 09:12:27 PM
Train Pron !   :D :D  Interesting double header and look those filthy roofs.

Fixed the link, should work again.

http://www.schmalspurbahn.ch/filisur/webcam/a1806111748329 (http://www.schmalspurbahn.ch/filisur/webcam/a1806111748329)

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: fitzgreyve on June 25, 2018, 02:27:36 PM
My Tm 2/2 #92 is now complete, it's only 30mm long over the body:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6197-250618141446.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66968)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6197-250618141520.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66969)

Anyone who is interested should be able to find it on Shapeways, I've also added a variant without the cutout for the Arnoldo couplers.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on June 26, 2018, 09:03:07 AM
My Tm 2/2 #92 is now complete, it's only 30mm long over the body:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6197-250618141446.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66968[/url])


It is looking good, nice and clean paint job as far as I can see. But I have a question, is there a reason why you didn't draw the windows corners round and the roof not more roundish further down on the sides ? Could you change the drawings for the ones listed on shapeways ?

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on June 26, 2018, 10:32:26 AM
The "Rhaetian Crocodile" stretches its brown nose out of the 450 metre long Wiesen I tunnel. (http://www.railpictures.net/photo/661466/)

Very cool picture ! An inspiration to build it in 1/150 scale.

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: fitzgreyve on June 26, 2018, 11:07:05 AM

But I have a question, is there a reason why you didn't draw the windows corners round and the roof not more roundish further down on the sides ? Could you change the drawings for the ones listed on shapeways ?


Windows - the windows corners are rounded, but I've probably got too small a radius ?
Roof - mainly to get it to fit onto the chassis (incl weights) with no or minimal modification - my main intention was to try and get as low a roof line as possible within that limitation. There is a very slight curve down to the body sides, but its not that noticeable.
Drawings - sorry, not clear on what you mean ?
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on June 26, 2018, 11:37:26 AM
Windows - the windows corners are rounded, but I've probably got too small a radius ?


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6270-260618112824.jpeg)

Sorry, this comparison is brutal but I am trying to explain what I was saying before. The front windows are bigger and have bigger radius rounded corners which give the model a whole different look. The side windows the same, bigger radius rounded corners. Same with the roof, it is much rounder.

Quote
Roof - mainly to get it to fit onto the chassis (incl weights) with no or minimal modification - my main intention was to try and get as low a roof line as possible within that limitation. There is a very slight curve down to the body sides, but its not that noticeable.
Drawings - sorry, not clear on what you mean ?


I meant your CAD files you have uploaded to shapeways, would you consider to make those changes ?

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: fitzgreyve on June 27, 2018, 11:13:16 AM
Windows - the windows corners are rounded, but I've probably got too small a radius ?


([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6270-260618112824.jpeg[/url])

Sorry, this comparison is brutal but I am trying to explain what I was saying before. The front windows are bigger and have bigger radius rounded corners which give the model a whole different look. The side windows the same, bigger radius rounded corners. Same with the roof, it is much rounder.

Quote
Roof - mainly to get it to fit onto the chassis (incl weights) with no or minimal modification - my main intention was to try and get as low a roof line as possible within that limitation. There is a very slight curve down to the body sides, but its not that noticeable.
Drawings - sorry, not clear on what you mean ?


I meant your CAD files you have uploaded to shapeways, would you consider to make those changes ?

steve


THanks Steve - I see your point on the windows - my radiusing is too small, that would be relatively easy to amend when I have time.

The roof curve is more of a problem, as it would probably mean that either the chassis weights would need trimming down or increasing the overall height to compensate (both of which I was trying to avoid).

this was originally intended as "in the spirit of" ,rather than "exact"
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on June 29, 2018, 08:22:41 AM
this was originally intended as "in the spirit of" ,rather than "exact"

Fair enough   :thumbsup:

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on June 29, 2018, 08:24:01 AM
And now this: What a weird composition (http://www.schmalspurbahn.ch/filisur/webcam/m1806290613028).   :laugh3:

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on July 10, 2018, 11:49:07 PM
And now this: What a weird composition ([url]http://www.schmalspurbahn.ch/filisur/webcam/m1806290613028[/url]).   :laugh3:

steve


It doesn't strike me as a particularly weird composition - I've seen much odder (for example I've seen SNCF Corail coaches in wagonload freight trains in the past)! The train is the morning GmP. Normal composition is the EW coach and some wagons, the only extra is the Panoramic coach being hauled on this occasion as 'freight'.

moving slightly OT I saw this on SBB 10 days ago:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/704-100718235001.jpeg)

Re4/4II, Re460 dit, 3 different types of driving trailer (EWI, EWIV and IC2000) and 1st and 2nd class coaches
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on July 17, 2018, 09:46:59 AM
Who will be the first one to build one in N scale ?

RhB Taf (tough) 2/2 (https://vimeo.com/191054142)

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on August 11, 2018, 11:25:33 PM
We were talking about models which could be easy converted to RhB models before. When I saw this picture of a RhB Gmf 4/4 with a couple of gravel cars (http://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/schweiz~rhaetische-bahn~strecke-engadin-po-sc/48689/rhb-extra-gueterzug-6246-von-saglians-nach.html) attached to it I've had an idea.

The minitrix MaK 6400 looks like a good candidate for a RhB Gmf 4/4.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6270-110818231146.jpeg)

And the Kato or Popondetta HOKI 9500 a close enough candidate for a RhB Fau.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6270-110818231034.jpeg)

Food for thoughts ?   :confused2:

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on August 20, 2018, 07:43:12 AM
Score ! I got one.  :bounce:  Reasonable priced off eBay Germany with the gear modifications already done.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6270-200818073751.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6270-200818073846.jpeg)

All I need now are some Kato HOKI 2500 or 9500.

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale - 3D models
Post by: Railwaygun on August 26, 2018, 02:02:56 PM
https://www.shapeways.com/shops/3d-tank-factory?section=Swiss%20railway%201/160&s=0 (https://www.shapeways.com/shops/3d-tank-factory?section=Swiss%20railway%201/160&s=0)

Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: daffy on August 26, 2018, 04:02:41 PM
Am I missing something, what’s the relevance of that link?

Just might be something to do with Swiss narrow gauge Railways, such as the Schynigge Platte Bahn, the Wengernalp Bahn, the Berner Oberland Bahn and the Brienzer Rothorn Bahn.
The models shown are all 1:160 scale from these railways. Okay so they are not in the 1:150 of the thread title, but that's the way the cookie crumbles as neither is a lot of Swiss N Gauge.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: njee20 on August 26, 2018, 04:14:32 PM
Fair enough, I was looking for something relating to true previous posts. Sure we could all post links to places selling Swiss N!
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Railwaygun on August 26, 2018, 05:19:04 PM
I don’t do Swiss N but thought it might be useful to this thread.

Alas some people  seem not to appreciate this. However this approach will surely encourage further contributions.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: ntpntpntp on August 26, 2018, 07:00:24 PM
Score ! I got one.  :bounce:  Reasonable priced off eBay Germany with the gear modifications already done.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6270-200818073751.jpeg[/url])


Ah... I was going to say I've had more split gears on those MaKs than any other Minitrix loco. I replaced mine with acetal gears from MikroAntriebe, but even better to see proper brass gears!

I know yours is not destined to remain as-is, but I'm a big fan of the E&H livery!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/5885-260818190239.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68466)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: njee20 on August 26, 2018, 07:08:48 PM
I don’t do Swiss N but thought it might be useful to this thread.

Alas some people  seem not to appreciate this. However this approach will surely encourage further contributions.

Why not say that then? A link without context isn’t much help IMO. Have you bought from them? Are the products good?
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on August 31, 2018, 03:50:57 AM
My minitrix MaK arrived today. Out of the box and on to a piece of track to have some size comparisons. I knew these minitrix MaKs are a bit big for 1/160 scale and I was afraid they could even be too big compared with 1/150 RhB models and Japanese freight cars but I am pleasantly surprised that they fit in just fine. They're a bit tall, maybe I can lower them a bit, but to achieve that I would have to work on the metal frame. We will see.

Future Gmf 4/4 # 244 with some future Fau

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6270-310818031951.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6270-310818032030.jpeg)
(unfortunately these HOKI 9500 aren't mine, I have to wait till Kato runs them again)

Future Gmf 4/4 # 244 compared with my minitrix Za 8130

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6270-310818031916.jpeg)


Future Gmf 4/4 # 244 compared with a Kato Ge 4/4 II

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6270-310818032138.jpeg)

Original Gmf 4/4 #243 compared with a Ge 4/4 II

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6270-310818033809.jpeg)


Future Gmf 4/4 # 244 compared with a Kato Ge 4/4 III

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6270-310818031755.jpeg)


Next steps will be to dismantle the MaK and strip the paint off and then start the rebuild.

Does anyone have two spare Allegra plows he wants to sell or to trade for some home made decals ?

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on August 31, 2018, 07:26:47 AM
Ah... I was going to say I've had more split gears on those MaKs than any other Minitrix loco. I replaced mine with acetal gears from MikroAntriebe, but even better to see proper brass gears!

Yeah I have had to paint two minitrix MaK 1206 or something (the longer ones than the one I just bought) for a customer into Lafarge and Holcim models, he got them new, they were only in storage for maybe 10 years and when I got them to do the job I needed to get new wheel sets with brass gears from Europe (not cheap and even less easy). So that was my lesson learned and that's why I bought this one for myself with the broken handrails because it has already brass gears installed and it was cheap compared to all the other listings of MaK 6400 on eBay.

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on September 10, 2018, 05:41:01 AM
More RhB stand ins on the way. This time 3 Liliput SBB Xs Schotterwagen (ballast cars) to become some stand ins for RhB Fd or Xc ballast cars.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6270-100918043626.jpeg)

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: daffy on September 10, 2018, 08:50:13 AM
Great minds......... :)

I bought a set of these last year as possible stand-ins on the RhB part of the layout, though as yet they remain grey and SBB.

Sadly think someone is more likely to produce a 'shrink ray' to aim at the Bemo or LGB versions rather than for some manufacturer to produce a proper N Gauge one in my lifetime. The penalty for me liking a small niche in a niche market.

But you never know.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: fitzgreyve on September 21, 2018, 09:15:51 AM
Can anyone recommend a suitable bogie for RhB freight use (ideally arnoldo couplers)?

I already have some kato bogies, but ideally looking for something that is a screw fitting. Initial need is for a  Fac.

THanks.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on September 21, 2018, 10:58:54 AM
Can anyone recommend a suitable bogie for RhB freight use (ideally arnoldo couplers)?

I already have some kato bogies, but ideally looking for something that is a screw fitting. Initial need is for a  Fac.

THanks.

Is it for the shapeways Fac ? How big a hole does it have to have ? Would an American style bogie be ok ?

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: fitzgreyve on September 21, 2018, 11:40:27 AM
Can anyone recommend a suitable bogie for RhB freight use (ideally arnoldo couplers)?

I already have some kato bogies, but ideally looking for something that is a screw fitting. Initial need is for a  Fac.

THanks.

Is it for the shapeways Fac ? How big a hole does it have to have ? Would an American style bogie be ok ?


yes, not sure (can find screws to fit), and yes
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on September 21, 2018, 12:00:17 PM
yes, not sure (can find screws to fit), and yes


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6270-210918115322.jpeg)

What's the diameter of the two round body bolster where the bogies get attached to ?

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: fitzgreyve on September 21, 2018, 05:13:38 PM

What's the diameter of the two round body bolster where the bogies get attached to ?


4mm.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on September 26, 2018, 01:13:20 AM
I was working on my version tonight, in prep for exhibiting in Birmingham this Saturday. The simplest way is American bogies with screws. The screw will self tap into the hole (should survive a while without breaking - I've fitted and refitted a few times and the lug hasn't worn through

If you can find reply number 55 in this  thread which shows the bogies I used.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gizzy on October 04, 2018, 10:47:51 AM
Just started modelling the RhB with Kato products and I was wondering about freight wagons.

Some great ideas here....
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: fitzgreyve on October 24, 2018, 05:49:52 PM
just received the following RhB items from www.rhbmodellbahn.com (http://www.rhbmodellbahn.com), and though i'd give folks an idea of what they look like:
- XK 9008 Kranwagen
- 2 x Sp-w flachwagen

postage to the UK was CHF 19.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/6197-241018171724.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70443)

The flat wagon comprises a chassis in grey and a "planked" overlay in brown. Add (kato?) bogies, fixing screws,  and stanchions (including 2 spares) and that's it. THe stanchions are very delicate.

length is 101.25 mm (=15.19m assuming 1:150) with bogies centres of 72.75mm (10.912m) - can anyone comment how this compares to the real thing ?

The 3D print appears fairly coarse, "graining" appears worse than the best from Shapeways in my view, but it may be exacerbated due to the colour of the plastic.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/6197-241018172447.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70444)


The crane has many more parts, in dark grey and yellow, plus wheelsets, couplings, a small transfer sheet, and instructions in German. The 3D print graining is noticable on the grey, but less so on the yellow. The jib is in two parts and the web site says that the crane assembly can be screw fixed to the chassis if desired (but screw not provided!) to allow it to be positioned as needed (i.e. parked or in use).

length is 58.12 mm  - from finke and schweer Vol 4 I think it should be more around 55mm (excl. buffers) , but not too bad ? THe axle centre dimension also appears to be a bit off.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/6197-241018172857.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70445)

Summary  - if assembled as received, these are going to be a bit too toylike for my taste, so I intend to remove some of the more obvious 3D print artifacts with wet and dry paper, and paint before assembly. Given the price - not too bad.

I'll post again once assemble moves on.

I also ordered a "schaltpost" from the catenary range, some plastic threads are present that will need to be cleaned up - again in my view quality is not too bad given the price.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/6197-241018173919.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70447)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on October 24, 2018, 07:11:18 PM
That:

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/6197-241018172857.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=70445[/url])


Reminds me of this:

   

;)

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gizzy on October 25, 2018, 02:25:53 PM
Many thanks for this fitzgreyve!

I've ordered a Stuerwagon, and a couple of ballast trucks.

Seems to be good value for money, given that they come from Switzerland....
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on October 29, 2018, 12:58:52 AM
Latest freight train consist - as running at a Sussex show 3 weeks ago:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/704-291018003758.jpeg)


.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: fitzgreyve on November 05, 2018, 09:32:51 AM
Rhb FAC:

- Shapeways (TT Trams) body
- Kato bogies (these fitted, but need to change as the air-suspension (?) is "somewhat anacronistic")
- eckon ladders
- own transfers (from photos of the real thing)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6197-051118092842.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71145)

Photo has flagged that I need to touch up some glue marks - nothing hides form the camera!
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gizzy on November 05, 2018, 03:27:57 PM
Many thanks for this fitzgreyve!

I've ordered a Stuerwagon, and a couple of ballast trucks.

Seems to be good value for money, given that they come from Switzerland....
I received these over the weekend.

As mentioned, they will need a bit of work to bring the bodies upto an acceptable standard, but for the money, they ain't bad....
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: fitzgreyve on November 06, 2018, 11:37:32 AM
RHBModellBahn.com sp-w (with kato ge 4/4 ii):

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6197-061118113034.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71202)

Observations:
- body length and bogie centres are slightly short against RhB published figures (assuming this is meant ot be 1:150)
- some initial work on body sides with wet and dry paper.
- assembled stanchions to body then sprayed humbrol matt grey (slots for stanchions are not a good fit)
- plank overlay needs slots opening out to fit around stanchions, then may not centre on body. I've not yet glued it  down due to.....
- screws supplied with (kato) bogies (no.4 x 6mm approx) are too long, will leave bogies very loose or penetrate top of planking. I've ordered some no.4 x 4.5mm flat ended self tap.
- if run without load, may need some additional weight.

Summary - 3-d print graining on body is worse than shapeways fine detail, but not that noticable in this case. A cheap way of getting some sp-w, given that only current alternative is pirata ?

Now I can stop running DB rungenwaggon behind RHB engines!

edit -  I think I'll get some "headboards" 3d prijnted to create one of the other sp-w variants.

edit 2 - I can confirm that No.4 x 4.5mm flat ended self tap screws are a good fit for bogie attachment.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Metroman64 on November 25, 2018, 08:26:36 AM
I thought I would stick my oar in on this thread with a couple of photos of my catenary built using Sommerfeldt N gauge masts and N-Track etched parts from AB Modell. I have now built about 25 masts now and hopefully I will post some more photos in due course.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5966-251118082546.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71797)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5966-251118082608.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71798)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: daffy on November 25, 2018, 08:31:43 AM
Excellent detailed work Metroman, they look superb. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Metroman64 on November 25, 2018, 08:35:49 AM
Excellent detailed work Metroman, they look superb. :thumbsup:

Thanks. You need to handle them carefully, they are fragile as most parts are etched to near scale, but I think they are worth the cursing and swearing and burnt fingers from the soldering iron. As soon as I get a chance, I will photograph some of the others.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on November 25, 2018, 10:38:27 AM
The RhB publish outline drawings of their freight stock. You need to do a search for something like Datenblatt_Flachwagen_Typ_R-w_Serie_8082_-_8218 and you will find it in .pdf form. I've downloaded as many as I can find. Oddly nothing similar for passenger stock.

I have e-mailed MDS-Modell about purchasing bogie frames but I assume they were getting ready for Stuttgart so I'd hope to get something this week. For wheels in these I'm using Fox Valley 33" on 0.563" axles. Looks silly to me but it works!

For members of the N Gauge Society they do bogie kits and several are very close to RhB types, short wheelbase, coil controlled axles. I think they have the advantage of being plastic and so are modifiable more easily than Kato or MDS. £4.60 a pair + postage but you need to add wheels and couplers.

Cheers,

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Metroman64 on November 25, 2018, 05:52:58 PM
Here are some of my catenary masts. Expensive but worth it as they are pretty accurate. Cost anything between about £4 for a basic mast up to about £18 for a complex mast. I will ultimately need around 75 to 100 when I finally build my layout.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5966-251118175128.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71823)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5966-251118175159.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71824)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5966-251118175226.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71825)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5966-251118175455.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71827)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/5966-251118175523.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71828)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: daffy on November 25, 2018, 09:05:03 PM
They look great, though sadly my finances won’t stretch too far so mine will be, shall we say, representative and cheap!  :D

But should I win some spare dosh......... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: fitzgreyve on January 03, 2019, 09:38:42 AM
RHBModellBahn.com sp-w (with kato ge 4/4 ii):
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/6197-061118113034.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71202[/url])

I think I'll get some "headboards" 3d printed to create one of the other sp-w variants.


Et voila:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/6197-030119093754.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=72854)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Metroman64 on May 26, 2019, 08:19:38 AM
Has anyone got a decent side and end photo of Ge4/4 III 648 in Lanxess livery without reflections/light. I have a spare Kato body which I want to repaint and do my own decals for but cannot find a decent photo anywhere I can obtain a good grab for the lettering. Seems most shots are three quarter views which makes it impossible to get lettering right. I basically need four basic decals, one for the nose, plus one for the number and two for the side - the lettering and the name/number panel under the cab window.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on May 26, 2019, 08:45:18 AM
Has anyone got a decent side and end photo of Ge4/4 III 648 in Lanxess livery

For the Logo  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanxess#/media/File:LanXess-Logo.svg

For the shield  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhaetian_Railway_Ge_4/4_III

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Metroman64 on May 26, 2019, 10:48:47 PM
Has anyone got a decent side and end photo of Ge4/4 III 648 in Lanxess livery

For the Logo  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanxess#/media/File:LanXess-Logo.svg

For the shield  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhaetian_Railway_Ge_4/4_III

steve

Hi Steve

Thanks. However, I need the Lanxess text to be white and the background to be black as they are the wrong way round, something I cannot do on my version of Photoshop. The red line is the same either way.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on May 26, 2019, 11:16:59 PM
Thanks. However, I need the Lanxess text to be white and the background to be black

Does this help ?

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/medium_6270-260519231428.jpeg)

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Metroman64 on May 27, 2019, 07:38:30 AM
Thanks. However, I need the Lanxess text to be white and the background to be black

Does this help ?

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/medium_6270-260519231428.jpeg)

steve

Steve - you're a star. Many thanks.

Nigel
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on June 07, 2019, 03:24:38 AM
Bought some decals from a land south of Switzerland and needles to say I am not happy with what I have received   :veryangry:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/medium_6270-070619031438.jpeg)

I know printing yellow decals on an Alps isn't easy. But if the graphic used to print the decals is bad, the print won't look any better. And if the Alps printer is damaged (overlay function clearly doesn't work anymore) then please don't sell these decals anymore. I saw a sample before I did let go of my hard earned money and it did look nowhere near this bad. Ah well, lesson learned, never again.

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: fitzgreyve on July 19, 2019, 02:55:48 PM
Just noticed that "TT Trams" on Shapeways now has Fau, Sb-t and Sb wagon bodies available. I feel an order coming on (his Fac is very good).

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/tt-trams?section=--+RhB&s=0 (https://www.shapeways.com/shops/tt-trams?section=--+RhB&s=0)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: fitzgreyve on August 19, 2019, 04:16:50 PM
I finally got around to completing the xk 9008 crane from rhbmodellbahn.com that I got in December '18

Not clear if he(?) still does these - the range seems to have recently contracted somewhat?

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/80/6197-190819160000.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=80581)

The picture clearly shows the limitations of the 3D print process being used, even after liberal application of wet'n'dry paper and flat varnish. Aside from that, the representation of crane itself isn't too bad, but the chassis looks far less like the original.

I added pivots so that crane could be posed, and added my own ladder and handwheels.

A few other points to observe:
- instruction sheet  (German of course) is very small.
- transfers aren't too bad, though black outline around white data block is very out of line, red RhB logos are very coarse (I used my own).
- the couplers are embedded in the chassis assembly, once they're in they aren't swappable, nor is there any facility to use anything other than rapido.
- main issue is that the bearing points for the axles are more-or-less nonextistant - the 3D print granularity is just not up to something that fine.

In short, better than nothing for sitting in a back siding - but only just! I'll probably not be getting anything else from rhbmodellbahn, and definately not anything that doesn't run on a commercial bogie.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Metroman64 on August 19, 2019, 07:36:32 PM

The picture clearly shows the limitations of the 3D print process being used, even after liberal application of wet'n'dry paper and flat varnish. Aside from that, the representation of crane itself isn't too bad, but the chassis looks far less like the original
In short, better than nothing for sitting in a back siding - but only just! I'll probably not be getting anything else from rhbmodellbahn, and definately not anything that doesn't run on a commercial bogie.

Don't think I'll be buying any of these 3D prints.They are very crude compared to what you can get through Shapeways from the likes of TT Trams etc. Looks like he uses a basic home printer.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on October 15, 2019, 08:27:22 PM
Model this...   :(

(https://www.rhb.ch//fileadmin/_processed_/a/6/csm_Der_letzte_Weg_628_Titelbild_36f4e07577.jpg)

https://www.rhb.ch/en/blog/der-letzte-weg-der-lok-628 (https://www.rhb.ch/en/blog/der-letzte-weg-der-lok-628)

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Mike Beard on October 15, 2019, 08:53:13 PM
Everything useful removed then. Perhaps that is the fate of my second 631?

Mike Beard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on October 17, 2019, 12:59:17 AM
 :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Very sad that my favourite named RhB loco (and the one MDS did which I snapped up with such glee) has gone
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on October 17, 2019, 01:01:30 AM

steve

Funnily enough in this condition it doesn't look too far off the 3D printed Ge4/4II body that was briefly the best on offer back a couple of years ago
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: dickrowland on January 31, 2020, 02:50:56 PM
I need a new wheelset, to be precise one axle with two wheels, for a Hobbytrain H23924 Laeqrss 545 auto transport wagen. The other two axles are still there but the centre axle has disappeared.
Yes, I tried Hobbytrain but they could not help. I think this model is out of production.
The wheel diameter, over the flats (not the total diameter over the flanges) is 3.96mm, while the axle length is 13.30mm. Can anybody help me?

I ordered two of the Fleischmann rolling road wheelsets, unfortunately the wheel diameter, across the flats, are in this case too small! I was tempted to fit one axle set anyway as I thought the wagon could still run, but the axle is about a millimeter too long. One of the guys at the club works for a light engineering firm so I'm tempted to ask him if he can turn down the axle length to fit. This would mean that the wagen could still run, even though the ride height, at this point, would be slightly low!
A tip came in this evening: try for Kato spares RhB coach bogies. Would anybody out there who is into Kato Swiss meter gauge stock care to measure a coach bogie wheel set for me? The axle length and the wheel diameter across the flats.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gizzy on February 01, 2020, 01:25:31 PM
Hullo Dick,

I have put one of my Kato RhB coaches in my bag for Monday.

I will measure up the axle and wheel with the calipers at work for you.


Watch this space....
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: dickrowland on February 02, 2020, 08:07:19 AM
That would be excellent, thank you.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gizzy on February 03, 2020, 09:04:25 AM
Hullo Dick,

I measured the Kato coach wheel diameter 4.4 mm across the flats.

The axle was 13 mm from point to point....
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: njee20 on February 03, 2020, 11:19:49 AM
That's really small. Fox Valley Models do some 28" wheels, which should scale to about 4.44mm across the tread. Not all that easy to get hold of though. I've got some for some Etched Pixels Arbel car carriers, but I bought them from the US - could ask if he's got any in stock at all?
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: dickrowland on February 03, 2020, 02:23:17 PM
The Kato axle length sounds reasonable, not sure about the wheel diameter though.
At the moment the car transporter runs with a plastic wheel set from an old American track cleaner wagon that I bought in Las Vegas in 1991. Not perfect but it does prevent the wagon scraping the rails!
I'll try for the Kato coach bogie as a source, in this case I may have to try to get the wheel diameter turned down slightly.
This sort of thing is why I have not seriously thought about moving to Nfine. That would need model engineering skills which I do not yet have, and would take a long time to acquire. The failure rate would be frightening. I have a Sherline lathe but the required skill is another matter, as far as I know I only have one lifetime!
There again, if Hobbytrain bring the wagon back into production, I can always try them again.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: njee20 on February 03, 2020, 05:48:05 PM
What's Nfine? Never heard that terminology before.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: dickrowland on February 04, 2020, 08:40:08 AM
NFine is finescale 1:160. Much finer wheel standards on, I believe, Code 40 or even Code 38 rail. I saw a small layout at a show in Stolberg, Germany, about six years ago. Nice, but a lot of work. The ex-Arnold Kleinlok, that I saw that day, looked the business with virtual scale wheels. For now, I'll live with the comparitive steam roller wheels that are the convention  these days. On line, I've seen a Fleischmann Pacific Br11, a Fleischmann Br78 and various items of goods stock. Lovely!  They looked like Spur 0.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Dawdawes1964 on February 11, 2020, 02:58:16 PM
Hi all it's been a couple of years since I modelled anything but was starting on Rhb in 1/150 and have decided that the way I'm going again with full DCC
What track systems are people using? I want the smallest side profile as poss and was thinking peco code 55 or even the code 40 finescale track, your thoughts please
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: njee20 on February 11, 2020, 03:56:05 PM
Finetrax is to UK standards of sleeper spacing and dimensions, which isn’t ideal for Swiss. The rail profile is certainly better than Peco though.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Dawdawes1964 on February 11, 2020, 04:21:51 PM
Finetrax is to UK standards of sleeper spacing and dimensions, which isn’t ideal for Swiss. The rail profile is certainly better than Peco though.
Dont like the look of the Kato at all maybe the older fleischmann profi would work, just the points put me off
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gizzy on February 11, 2020, 04:40:51 PM
Hi all it's been a couple of years since I modelled anything but was starting on Rhb in 1/150 and have decided that the way I'm going again with full DCC
What track systems are people using? I want the smallest side profile as poss and was thinking peco code 55 or even the code 40 finescale track, your thoughts please
I'm using Kato track with my Kato RhB 1:150 stock on my layout Rhaetia. It works well, especially with Kato's wheel standards, and it's robust and quick to assemble.  I've heard the points can be problematic for UK stock, but it's not an issue for me of course.

You could try Fleishmann Profi track, but it's harder to find in the UK. You might get running issues with code 40 or even code 55 track....
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Dawdawes1964 on February 11, 2020, 05:38:56 PM
Hi all it's been a couple of years since I modelled anything but was starting on Rhb in 1/150 and have decided that the way I'm going again with full DCC
What track systems are people using? I want the smallest side profile as poss and was thinking peco code 55 or even the code 40 finescale track, your thoughts please
I'm using Kato track with my Kato RhB 1:150 stock on my layout Rhaetia. It works well, especially with Kato's wheel standards, and it's robust and quick to assemble.  I've heard the points can be problematic for UK stock, but it's not an issue for me of course.

You could try Fleishmann Profi track, but it's harder to find in the UK. You might get running issues with code 40 or even code 55 track....
I thought kato flanges where good?
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: njee20 on February 11, 2020, 06:36:10 PM
Yes, you definitely shouldn’t have an issue with code 55 (with basically anything), and I’d not expect a problem with code 40.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gizzy on February 11, 2020, 08:04:55 PM
Hi all it's been a couple of years since I modelled anything but was starting on Rhb in 1/150 and have decided that the way I'm going again with full DCC
What track systems are people using? I want the smallest side profile as poss and was thinking peco code 55 or even the code 40 finescale track, your thoughts please
I'm using Kato track with my Kato RhB 1:150 stock on my layout Rhaetia. It works well, especially with Kato's wheel standards, and it's robust and quick to assemble.  I've heard the points can be problematic for UK stock, but it's not an issue for me of course.

You could try Fleishmann Profi track, but it's harder to find in the UK. You might get running issues with code 40 or even code 55 track....
I thought kato flanges where good?

I can only speak for Kato wheels on Kato track which is code 80. I'm not sure what the Kato wheel standards are but they are obviously designed to work with their own make of track. As I mentioned, I've read some UK models have issues on Kato track and points here on the forum, but I've personally had no experience of this....
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: daffy on February 11, 2020, 09:32:35 PM
The Kato issue is not something that cannot be overcome. As far as I am aware it is limited to some locos having problems with Kato’s No 4 turnout, though I have found no problems using any of my Swiss stock, either SBB, BLS or RhB on standard unmodified No 4s.

The problem is described and the fix given here:

http://ttrak.wikidot.com/how-to-tweak-the-standard-kato-no-4-turnout-for-reliable-per (http://ttrak.wikidot.com/how-to-tweak-the-standard-kato-no-4-turnout-for-reliable-per)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: njee20 on February 11, 2020, 10:21:59 PM
I've got a few bits of Unitrack I use for testing stuff, and for my son to mess around with some stock, and I have to say I think the (no.4) points are the biggest piece of junk I've used! I have to disassemble them to re-seat the spring at intervals, because otherwise the closure rail won't sit against the stock rail, if they change at all. I may have to try that mod. Locos derail on them all the time. They're woeful. I genuinely can't fathom anyone using Kato track for a whole layout! I can understand in part it's down to UK stock using RP25 wheels whilst Kato appear not to, but still...

Anyway, all that aside... it's certainly not the most realistic looking track system. That said, parts of the RHB do resemble Kato-esque track, with a high, well defined (and generally clean) ballast shoulder. Doesn't get you any more realistic looking points though, and the rail section is still very overscale.

If you wan't realism then I'd probably go code 40, but just accept that the sleeper spacing is to UK dimensions, not continental. The track's the wrong width anyway!
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on February 12, 2020, 01:48:39 AM
I have to say I think the (no.4) points are the biggest piece of junk I've used! I have to disassemble them to re-seat the spring at intervals, because otherwise the closure rail won't sit against the stock rail, if they change at all. I may have to try that mod. Locos derail on them all the time. They're woeful. I genuinely can't fathom anyone using Kato track for a whole layout!

Anyway, all that aside... it's certainly not the most realistic looking track system. That said, parts of the RHB do resemble Kato-esque track, with a high, well defined (and generally clean) ballast shoulder. Doesn't get you any more realistic looking points though, and the rail section is still very overscale.



Well I have four  layouts all completely using Kato Unitrack and it is fine. I don't find it unrealistic, although without extensive blending in to the scenics, it doesn't really suit bucolic  'GWR branch line' track. On the flip side modern main lines in Switzerland and Germany look exactly like Unitrack!

Like all model railway applications, a lot depends on how you lay it and how you blend things in.

Having used Unitrack for nigh on 20 years now I am well aware of the supposed point number 4 problem. Occasionally it manifests itself but it is far from a constant problem. The last twice I have exhibited a layout at shows I had no derailments specifically attributed to the No 4 points issue
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on February 12, 2020, 02:07:13 AM
Here's a few pictures of my SNCF layout on Sunday at the FRS winter rendezvous in Kent

Note that this layout is not completely finished so the blending in is not 100% - for example I have a collection of Unitrack with the sides of the rails painted which improves appearance further

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/704-120220020233-87432102.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/704-120220020226-87430119.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/704-120220020110-874291768.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/704-120220015939-87424576.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/704-120220015940-87424737.jpeg)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Dawdawes1964 on February 12, 2020, 07:00:02 AM
Here's a few pictures of my SNCF layout on Sunday at the FRS winter rendezvous in Kent

Note that this layout is not completely finished so the blending in is not 100% - for example I have a collection of Unitrack with the sides of the rails painted which improves appearance further

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/704-120220020233-87432102.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/704-120220020226-87430119.jpeg)
Thanks all on reply still no closer to picking track type though

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/704-120220020110-874291768.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/704-120220015939-87424576.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/704-120220015940-87424737.jpeg)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: njee20 on February 12, 2020, 07:20:18 AM
It wasn't a slight on anyone who uses it, for me I don't think it looks very realistic, particularly the points, and you're limited on geometry, although I fully accept a lot can be done to blend it in to make it look better. I even said I accept the plain line looks quite a bit like RHB track. However, I was addressing Dawdawes's question about the most realistic looking track. And that is never Kato IMO.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Dawdawes1964 on February 12, 2020, 07:30:44 AM
It wasn't a slight on anyone who uses it, for me I don't think it looks very realistic, particularly the points, and you're limited on geometry, although I fully accept a lot can be done to blend it in to make it look better. I even said I accept the plain line looks quite a bit like RHB track. However, I was addressing Dawdawes's question about the most realistic looking track. And that is never Kato IMO.
I agree totally , we are all different, for me the Kato has never been my choice, I have on order a Tomix point and some straight track to try with a lower shoulder even have a bit of Fleischmann profi coming but then it's the horrid pointwork. I modelled an American z layout years a go and used Rokuhan ballasted  track and again the points let it down, other choices are Atlas code 55 with American sleeper spacing and peco code 55 , just trying to get a look of small rail height. Or spend big and use z track but then it's the points again, oh desicions desicions
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: njee20 on February 12, 2020, 07:49:41 AM
Build your own? I’m convinced that’s the way to go. Admittedly for me that’s because it means you can have lovely long flowing formations, which may not be as advantageous on a smaller layout. Cheap enough to have a go with some code 40 rail and PCB sleepers.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Dawdawes1964 on February 12, 2020, 08:13:07 AM
Build your own? I’m convinced that’s the way to go. Admittedly for me that’s because it means you can have lovely long flowing formations, which may not be as advantageous on a smaller layout. Cheap enough to have a go with some code 40 rail and PCB sleepers.
Just ordered up a length of code 40 finescale to try with concrete sleepers , so we shall see
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: ntpntpntp on February 12, 2020, 01:26:24 PM
Peco code 55 will have a finer look to it than Kato, Tomix, Fleischmann etc. code 80 trackwork. Just depends whether the sleeper spacing and general look of the track suits what you want?  I use it with my German layouts.  Absolutely no problems running anything from any brand made in the 1970s onward (I have a couple of extremely old early 1960s items with real Pizza Cutter flanges and they do bump along, but then again I think they'd bump on code 80  :D  )


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/5885-240719155017.jpeg)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Dawdawes1964 on February 12, 2020, 01:46:29 PM
Peco code 55 will have a finer look to it than Kato, Tomix, Fleischmann etc. code 80 trackwork. Just depends whether the sleeper spacing and general look of the track suits what you want?  I use it with my German layouts.  Absolutely no problems running anything from any brand made in the 1970s onward (I have a couple of extremely old early 1960s items with real Pizza Cutter flanges and they do bump along, but then again I think they'd bump on code 80  :D  )


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/5885-240719155017.jpeg)
Looking good,  have a length of tomix, Fleischmann and the code 40 finescale on its way to see whagmi prefer, do fancy the 40 atm as I can build the pointwork as I need it, we shall see
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on February 13, 2020, 12:31:21 AM
It wasn't a slight on anyone who uses it, for me I don't think it looks very realistic, particularly the points, and you're limited on geometry, although I fully accept a lot can be done to blend it in to make it look better. I even said I accept the plain line looks quite a bit like RHB track. However, I was addressing Dawdawes's question about the most realistic looking track. And that is never Kato IMO.
I agree totally , we are all different, for me the Kato has never been my choice, I have on order a Tomix point and some straight track to try with a lower shoulder even have a bit of Fleischmann profi coming but then it's the horrid pointwork. I modelled an American z layout years a go and used Rokuhan ballasted  track and again the points let it down, other choices are Atlas code 55 with American sleeper spacing and peco code 55 , just trying to get a look of small rail height. Or spend big and use z track but then it's the points again, oh desicions desicions

Hi Dave,

Myself and my club colleague who have Unitrack RhB layouts that can be linked together (as we did at the ERA show and Boulogne sur Mer) tried Tomix and it provided less sure running that Unitrack


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Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on February 13, 2020, 12:50:44 AM
As you may recall I was one of the first people to build a layout for the Kato RhB stuff (7 years ago now!) so the photos of it are deep down somewhere in much earlier posts in this part of the Forum.

So here's a reminder of what my layout laid with Unitrack looks like

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/704-291018003758.jpeg)

Great from a 'normal public' viewing distance

And here's a close up of the blended-in single track section . The bulk of the Code 80 rail is the most noticeable 'downside' thing perhaps

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/23/main_26350.JPG)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on February 13, 2020, 01:01:08 AM
I contributed to a non-European-specific discussion about Unitrack elsewhere on this forum a few years ago, so I can re-post this shot I used as an example of the 'Kato Unitrack' actually in use on the BLS in Switzerland :)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/704-171016235024.jpeg)


and to show the ballast shoulder height, a section of the München - Nürnberg line



(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/704-201016001250.jpeg)


Straying off topic so will close now
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Dawdawes1964 on February 14, 2020, 10:00:00 AM
Thanks Gordon. Still trying some ideas, have some code 40 to try and a bit of atlas 55 coming. Layout will be a stand alone approx 16' in length , just had the first of my mds stock and a sound GE4/4 delivered, beautifull
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: njee20 on February 14, 2020, 10:09:09 AM
Atlas code 55 is very US style - the sleeper spacing is extremely close. I’d use Peco code 55 over Atlas.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Dawdawes1964 on February 14, 2020, 10:13:40 AM
I am trying to get the look of narrow gauge sleepering, even might cut a slither of the sleeper length , it's all trail atm
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Dawdawes1964 on February 18, 2020, 09:31:47 AM
Well different tracks have arrived, the finescale code 40 is beautiful,  but time, cost and the fact MDS stock sits on the rail chairs, same with the atlas code 55, so rules those out. Fleischmann profi looks ok but the turnouts are a bit clunky. Waiting for Peco code 55 to try if not it will have to be Kato unitrack
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Dawdawes1964 on February 19, 2020, 07:59:42 PM
Well different tracks have arrived, the finescale code 40 is beautiful,  but time, cost and the fact MDS stock sits on the rail chairs, same with the atlas code 55, so rules those out. Fleischmann profi looks ok but the turnouts are a bit clunky. Waiting for Peco code 55 to try if not it will have to be Kato unitrack
Well the peco code 55 with unifrog points looks and works well, so that's the way for me, hoorah
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gizzy on February 20, 2020, 07:11:29 AM
Well different tracks have arrived, the finescale code 40 is beautiful,  but time, cost and the fact MDS stock sits on the rail chairs, same with the atlas code 55, so rules those out. Fleischmann profi looks ok but the turnouts are a bit clunky. Waiting for Peco code 55 to try if not it will have to be Kato unitrack
Well the peco code 55 with unifrog points looks and works well, so that's the way for me, hoorah
I look forward to seeing how your layout progresses, now that you have made your track choice....
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Dawdawes1964 on March 12, 2020, 01:44:33 PM
Is there a coupler conversion for the standard n couplers, ie a smaller kato type coupler that would fit the MDS Ge 4/4 ll
I have converted my bernina and glacier to closer couplings but not the locos as I want to be able to use them on all trains?
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on March 27, 2020, 01:39:08 AM
Is there a coupler conversion for the standard n couplers, ie a smaller kato type coupler that would fit the MDS Ge 4/4 ll
I have converted my bernina and glacier to closer couplings but not the locos as I want to be able to use them on all trains?

Hi Dave,

Yes

Some of my fleet of 10 or so GE4/4III have, 2 MDS 4/4II and 2 Kato 4/4II have one type each end partly because my scratchbuilt wagons have Arnold type couplings for speed of conversion. My 3D Ge4/4I and Ge6/6II has a standard N coupler as it is on a bashed  Tomytec motorised chassis
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Dawdawes1964 on March 29, 2020, 09:48:32 AM
Is there a coupler conversion for the standard n couplers, ie a smaller kato type coupler that would fit the MDS Ge 4/4 ll
I have converted my bernina and glacier to closer couplings but not the locos as I want to be able to use them on all trains?

Hi Dave,

Yes

Some of my fleet of 10 or so GE4/4III have, 2 MDS 4/4II and 2 Kato 4/4II have one type each end partly because my scratchbuilt wagons have Arnold type couplings for speed of conversion. My 3D Ge4/4I and Ge6/6II has a standard N coupler as it is on a bashed  Tomytec motorised chassis
,
Is there a coupler conversion for the standard n couplers, ie a smaller kato type coupler that would fit the MDS Ge 4/4 ll
I have converted my bernina and glacier to closer couplings but not the locos as I want to be able to use them on all trains?

Hi Dave,

Yes

Some of my fleet of 10 or so GE4/4III have, 2 MDS 4/4II and 2 Kato 4/4II have one type each end partly because my scratchbuilt wagons have Arnold type couplings for speed of conversion. My 3D Ge4/4I and Ge6/6II has a standard N coupler as it is on a bashed  Tomytec motorised chassis
Is there a coupler conversion for the standard n couplers, ie a smaller kato type coupler that would fit the MDS Ge 4/4 ll
I have converted my bernina and glacier to closer couplings but not the locos as I want to be able to use them on all trains?

Hi Dave,

Yes

Some of my fleet of 10 or so GE4/4III have, 2 MDS 4/4II and 2 Kato 4/4II have one type each end partly because my scratchbuilt wagons have Arnold type couplings for speed of conversion. My 3D Ge4/4I and Ge6/6II has a standard N coupler as it is on a bashed  Tomytec motorised chassis
How has the 3d Ge4/4 1 turned out was looking myself
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Dawdawes1964 on March 29, 2020, 09:51:05 AM
 :confusedsign:
Well different tracks have arrived, the finescale code 40 is beautiful,  but time, cost and the fact MDS stock sits on the rail chairs, same with the atlas code 55, so rules those out. Fleischmann profi looks ok but the turnouts are a bit clunky. Waiting for Peco code 55 to try if not it will have to be Kato unitrack
Well the peco code 55 with unifrog points looks and works well, so that's the way for me, hoorah
I look forward to seeing how your layout progresses, now that you have made your track choice....
Gizzy,  how a couple of months in a decision can change, was given some Kato unitrak so after playing and using some foam board to loose some sleeper height it's ok.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gizzy on March 29, 2020, 01:20:48 PM
Shame your original track choice didn't work out, as I'm sure in your mind's eye it looked the part.

Sometimes though in railway modelling, we have to make a compromised as to what looks right, and what actually works!

I could not fit a station on my layout for a loco hauling 12 coaches, but a GE 4/4 hauling a 6 coach GEX consist looks fine and rekindled memories of my visit to the RhB in 2010....
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on April 02, 2020, 12:55:48 AM

Gizzy,  how a couple of months in a decision can change, was given some Kato unitrak so after playing and using some foam board to loose some sleeper height it's ok.

As I have said many times - here and elsewhere, Kato Unitrack is fine, at the risk of repeating mayself, just needs blending in well and/or a bit of weathering. In nearly 50 years (ouch!) of N gauge modelling I've lost count of the number of N gauge layouts I've seen with rough and ready  granite chip ballast that IMO makes the track look far less tidy than using Unitrack.

A reminder of my efforts:(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/23/main_26350.JPG)


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Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on April 22, 2020, 06:59:33 PM
Since joining the forum a few days ago this is the thread I've read the most often. I'm a complete model railway newbie who succumbed to temptation and bought a Kato Glacier Express setup last week. After reading this thread I want to hook up a few freight wagons to my passenger trains.

Scratch building is probably beyond me, but I'm not averse to (read: would enjoy) a bit of kit bashing or commercial model repurposing. The 3D printed shapeways/tt-trams Sb or Sb-t look rather good, but I'd need to find some compatible bogies. Can anyone tell me what minimum radius I could expect? I suspect it would depend on the bogie choice.

Shapeways/tt-trams also do a Swiss Post container which could look better than the generic 150 scale 20ft containers I've ordered from China. (I wonder if they're currently in a large "China Post" container...)

Other ideas welcome - preferably using currently available stuff.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gizzy on April 22, 2020, 07:08:47 PM
I have brought some MDS Haik vans and I've ordered some Pirata wagons.

I also have some 3D printed kits I brought, maintenance stock, but the finish on these isn't very good and I've yet to complete them properly, although they do have that care worn look about them?

I've not looked at Shapeways as yet....
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on April 22, 2020, 08:00:42 PM
Thanks Gizzy. I'd put the MDS stuff on my "nice but pricey" list, but given the cost of getting all the bits together I'm not sure building my own would be any cheaper. MDS also have some beer themed wagons which would play to one of my other interests.

Do you know what minimum radius they can cope with?
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gizzy on April 22, 2020, 08:09:17 PM
Thanks Gizzy. I'd put the MDS stuff on my "nice but pricey" list, but given the cost of getting all the bits together I'm not sure building my own would be any cheaper. MDS also have some beer themed wagons which would play to one of my other interests.

Do you know what minimum radius they can cope with?
I guess they can cope with the 150mm curves as used in the Glacier Express set.

But as I'm still building my layout Rhaetia, using these curves in some places, I haven't got around to running much of the stock I've acquired!

At the moment, due to the nice weather, and occasionally WfH due to Covid, I'm concentrating on extending my 'other' railway in the garden. Work on Rhaetia is thus temporarily paused....
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on April 26, 2020, 06:17:51 PM
What sort of buffer stops are typical for a siding in a small RhB station? I've been searching the internet for suitable images but am failing to find anything useful. I think people are more focused on photographing the trains than an empty siding. If anything in Kato's unitrack range matches that would be nice.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: swisstrains on April 26, 2020, 06:30:47 PM
What sort of buffer stops are typical for a siding in a small RhB station? I've been searching the internet for suitable images but am failing to find anything useful. I think people are more focused on photographing the trains than an empty siding. If anything in Kato's unitrack range matches that would be nice.

Hi Jim. If you do a search for "RhB Prellbock" you will find some images.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on April 26, 2020, 06:32:20 PM
Ah, knowing a bit of railway German would have helped. Thanks.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: ohlavache on May 01, 2020, 11:56:01 AM
Hello.
I found this web page : http://www.unzan.net/2019/12/12/rhb_pond/ (http://www.unzan.net/2019/12/12/rhb_pond/)
It shows that MDS Modell wagons are compatible with Kato's close couplers for the Glacier Express.

I then asked Pirata whether their upcoming GBK wagons would also offer such possibility.
They answered: YES !  :claphappy:
They even added that they should be ready for this autumn.
Good news!
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on May 06, 2020, 12:08:01 AM
Real 623 + Ds van + EW stock (Küblis Feb 2020)

Model 623 +Ds van + EW stock (Paspels Mar 20)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/89/704-280320003202-89624557.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/704-020420015910-900872127.jpeg)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Dawdawes1964 on May 09, 2020, 09:54:44 AM
Morning all. I have just started a new group on Facebook , modelling  the Rhaitsche Bahn in 1:150 N scale. All welcome to join.
set up so exhibition managers will be able to see my new layout but also as a meeting point
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: swisstrains on May 09, 2020, 09:58:54 AM
Do we get to see your new layout on this forum?
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Dawdawes1964 on May 09, 2020, 11:16:27 AM
Morning John
My wife has said set up the site to show all my layouts, past and present. So what I will do is have a change over the next few days then post a link up
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Dawdawes1964 on May 09, 2020, 10:05:29 PM

Dawdawes Model railways past & present, you can see all my retired layouts as well as stock and progress on the new RhB layout
https://www.facebook.com/groups/917674898675551/?ref=share (https://www.facebook.com/groups/917674898675551/?ref=share)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on May 16, 2020, 01:29:39 AM
I calculate I now have over 20 different types of RhB traction & rolling stock in N 1:150. Put another way, I have a fleet covering 55% of the total number of different types of vehicle on RhB. This proportion rises to 75% of the main Stammnetz fleet (including all the odd shunters), and 80% of what might be called the 'visible' regular fleet   


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/704-020420014024-900782319.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/90/704-020420013933-900712295.jpeg)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on May 16, 2020, 09:16:36 AM
I've been working on a RhB style buffer stop this week. It's a 3D printed model from Shapeways. As delivered the surface is a bit rough.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49896389353_020f38c17a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j2b3c4)

A few minutes with some 400 grit wet & dry improved things, but left some texture.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49897222357_fdb1551d9b_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j2fiPc)

I trimmed off the printed front protrusion and replaced it with a bit of real wood, after painting was complete.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49899916688_893d25bfd7_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j2u7Kb)

PS Since taking the last photo I've pulled off the wooden bit and stuck it back on, but properly aligned this time.

PPS I forgot to credit @fitzgreyve (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6197) for the Shapeways design.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on May 20, 2020, 12:45:40 PM
Here's a comparison of the buffer stop with a Kato one.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49915809161_7be3ef89cd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j3Tz2k)

It's quite a lot smaller, but looks right against a Kato GEX coach with Kato's close coupler.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49915811241_cb49654f6c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j3TzDc)

And with Kato's Rapido coupler.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49915813376_b70de2fda9_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2j3TAh1)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: daffy on May 20, 2020, 01:37:17 PM
A job well done Jim,  :thumbsup: and a clear indication that I shall not be using the Kato version.
Shapeways here I come. :)

Thanks.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on May 20, 2020, 01:40:51 PM
Other styles of Kato buffer stop might be lower. I could find very little useful information about them before choosing the cheapest.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: daffy on May 20, 2020, 02:21:45 PM
I have a few of the 20-046 Kato model that you show, they came as part of a set or two I think, and I’ve never liked them for their bulk and cos they just look wrong.  The 20-047 version is good and low, so both these and the Shapeways version may get used by me.
That is once the electrician rewires the part of the house the finished layout will occupy someday. He was initially booked for February but........  :'(
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: fitzgreyve on May 20, 2020, 02:51:34 PM
I've done three RhB-esque buffer stop versions for 9mm track, all were intended as "looks right" rather than "measures right":
- the one shown above
- same but higher to (hopefully) allow arnoldo couplers to just clear underneath. Nowhere near as tall as the kato one pictured above though.
- hydraulic

Unfortunately Shapeways current pricing structure makes single small items disproportionately costly, so in the process of putting these up in sprues of 3. The current material in white is the cheapest (if as observed, somewhat "granular").

I also started looking at could creating a "hydraulic" with sprung buffer (to to see if it was possible in 2mm) , but currently on the back burner.

Currently working on a request for an Nm version of the above (and also for a 45mm one)....

Happy to take any requests or constructive criticism!

<EDIT>  01/07/20 The above buffers now available on Shapeways in sprues of 4 (sprue of 3 for the "hydraulic"). Hopefully a bit better value!</EDIT>

Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gordon on May 29, 2020, 01:02:56 PM
Prompted by Dave D, I have also  created a facebook group but I am limiting it to RhB 1:150 only.

I created it partly because it is so much easier to post photos than it is to post photos in messages on this forum.

location: www.facebook.com/groups/1894374307359686/ (http://www.facebook.com/groups/1894374307359686/)



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Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on June 03, 2020, 05:20:49 PM
I've not seen any mention here of the RhB's new hybrid (overhead / battery) shunters.
https://railcolornews.com/2020/04/26/ch-geaf-2-2-new-hybrid-shunters-delivered-to-rhatische-bahn/

(https://railcolornews.com/wp-content/uploads/Stadler_RhB-Geaf-2_2_The-new-hybrid-shunters-Geaf-2_2-20601-and-20602-on-RhBs-narrow-gauge-tracks-in-Landquart_HansRuedi-Burkhalter_Landquart_22042020.jpg)

At a rough guess these could be made as a 3D print using the Kato 11-109 chassis, which is both affordable and available, unlike some others. (I'd be making one of @fitzgreyve (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6197) 's Tm 2/2 by now if I had a Tomytec HM-01 chassis.) I wouldn't know how to start designing a 3D print though.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gizzy on June 03, 2020, 07:02:27 PM
I've not seen any mention here of the RhB's new hybrid (overhead / battery) shunters.
https://railcolornews.com/2020/04/26/ch-geaf-2-2-new-hybrid-shunters-delivered-to-rhatische-bahn/

These are so new, the orange paint is still wet.... :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: OGR on June 18, 2020, 04:00:12 PM
Folks,

Having recently started to build an Albula line inspired N 6.5  layout I am finding there is an infinite amount of unfamiliar or unknown issues to address. Mu h of what I have found on this forum is of interest and raises lots of questions.

I am now I  the habit of checking the Filisur Webkam  and getting a good idea of train service patterns, train consists etc.
Ge6/6ii  are heavily featured on freight. Shapeways supply a body shell print. My ge4/4iii,  ge4/4ii and Allegra unit are all AB modell guage conversions to 6.5mm so, as yet I have no view as to what chassis would be a suitable candidate for the ge6/6ii.  A Bobo chassis of 8 to 9 m wheelbase would work with a dummy centre bogie.

What  is the collective wisdom as to suitable chassis for guage conversions and the necessary work involved, please?

Mark
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on June 18, 2020, 11:05:50 PM
@OGR (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=8668)  Hey Mark,
I wouldn't bother with that shapeways shell, not worth the effort, waste of time and money and it will always only look like a nice try   :dunce:
 
MDS will probably announce a new locomotive later this year (if covid didn't put a spanner in the works) and fingers crossed it will be the Ge 6/6 II  ;)

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: OGR on June 19, 2020, 12:19:04 AM
Steve,

If that is so it'll provide a body, the chassis will be 9mm gauge.  As I understand it the MDS ge4/4ii is not considered a good bet to regauge to 6.5mm so likely similar issue with MDS ge6/6ii.

M
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: retica on June 19, 2020, 04:07:10 AM
Mark,

maybe Gunnar will design the new locomotive more "regauger" friendly  ;)  And if not, yes you will get a nice shell (, smooth and crisp, already painted and with proper window inserts), bogie side frames and (nearly said fuel tank) all the boxes and plows. Even the option for sound and you only have to fiddle with a drive. Over all a much better deal. 

steve
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on June 25, 2020, 11:55:19 AM
I've finally finished (as much as anything is ever finished) a Shapeways Sb-t wagon and PTT container. I made a bit of a balls up painting the container - the paint and plastic are both translucent and I should have used a primer. I also didn't clean the plastic which affected the drying time.

The wagon and container would both benefit from some transfers / deecals / deckals / daycals but I'm not sure I could do them well enough not to make things worse.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50043379891_8693555928_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jfapmF)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50042825698_51425da849_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jf7yBC)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: dannyboy on June 25, 2020, 12:19:50 PM
They look fine to me Jim, even when magnified. Have you thought about personalising your container? Robbie Burns has personalised a few wagons for me in the past and I can recommend his work. If you sent him an email, he could probably do something for you. All you would have to do is get the transfers/decals, (whatever), on to the container! His website is -
www.robbiesrollingstock.co.uk (http://www.robbiesrollingstock.co.uk)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on June 25, 2020, 03:13:05 PM
Putting the wagon alongside a Kato GEX or EW1 coach shows it's riding much too high. I've taken out the washers I'd put between the bogies and the body. This reduces clearance to the bare minimum but it still seems to be OK on 150 mm curves. Smaller wheels would make a further improvement, although the coupler might end up too low.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on June 27, 2020, 12:38:15 PM
I received a couple of MDS-Modell Haik wagons yesterday. They're supplied with Rapido style couplers, which I've eliminated from the rest of my stuff, so the first job was to fit something else. The bogies have the same coupler mount as Kato's RhB coaches, so it's easy to fit a Kato close coupler arm.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50050360882_ee27f0c0b0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jfMbyA)

This looks much better than before, and still copes with 150 mm radius curves and S bends.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50050363767_dc66116509_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jfMcqk)

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50049545623_4bb96d8cd6_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jfH1dp)

Coupling to a Kato coach is not so easy - there's a significant height difference.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50049550888_5ee080508c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jfH2Mb)

Once coupled, the coach is lifting the front of the MDS bogie.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50050374792_cea89e0806_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jfMfGq)

I've got another selection of Micro Trains couplers en route from Yankee Dabbler - hopefully I'll be able to get something to work and be the same height as the MTL couplers on my locos and end coaches. Or I could reduce the height of all my MTL couplers and call it a new standard.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gizzy on June 27, 2020, 08:30:22 PM
Hullo Jim,

I've heard some folk have reduced the height of the HAIK wagons by shaving off a 1/2 mm of the boss that the bogie fits to.

I've yet to check my own HAIK. I'm not yet a gentleman of leisure, and still working full time as key personnel....
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on June 28, 2020, 09:12:52 AM
I've heard some folk have reduced the height of the HAIK wagons by shaving off a 1/2 mm of the boss that the bogie fits to.

Yes, that's something to look into later on. It will reduce the clearance between bogie and body, so I need to sort out the couplers first. The Haik looks tall against the EW1, but the difference is much less against a GEX coach.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on July 09, 2020, 11:15:40 AM
After some experimenting I've got a workable solution for fitting knuckle couplers to the MDS Haik wagons. First I cut away all of the MDS coupler mount.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50093359881_647b9a65aa_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jjzyED)

Then I attach a plasticard mount using epoxy adhesive.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50092782453_46e9bb140d_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jjwB1Z)

Finally I attach a Micro-Trains 2001 coupler using epoxy adhesive.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50093599202_88f4b2b738_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jjAMNS)

I did experiment with using screws to attach the coupler to the mount and the mount to the bogie, but this reduces the clearance between bogie and wagon underside. Epoxy adhesive's slow setting time (compared to superglue) allows everything to be correctly positioned before it sets.

The coupler protrudes a bit more than I'd like.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50093369186_d5d9367481_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jjzBr5)

The coupler knuckle centre line is 4 mm above the track (Dapol standard) rather than the 5.5 mm used by Micro-Trains. It's still a bit close to the brake hoses, even though I've filed down the top of the trip pin.

The other end uses a shorter coupling as the bogie is nearer the end of the wagon. Fortunately the Micro-Trains 2001 pack includes short and medium length couplers.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50093372256_f1c546a013_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jjzCm1)

There is now quite a bit of clearance between the bogie and wagon, so I might file down the bogie mounting boss to lower the wagon. Then I might need to cut away part of the brake hoses to stop them catching on the coupler on tight curves.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50093611457_289aecc50c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jjARsa)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on July 11, 2020, 12:54:31 PM
Unfortunately epoxy adhesive doesn't work well on these plastics. (A problem I've also found with the coupler modifications I described here: https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=50223 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=50223)) It's OK for general use, but any rough handling, such as when filing down the plasticard bracket, tends to pull them apart.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Gizzy on July 11, 2020, 05:40:49 PM
Unfortunately epoxy adhesive doesn't work well on these plastics. (A problem I've also found with the coupler modifications I described here: https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=50223 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=50223)) It's OK for general use, but any rough handling, such as when filing down the plasticard bracket, tends to pull them apart.
Some types of plastic are notoriously difficult to glue, due to their slippery surface. As an LGB man, I have found this quite a bit!

I've often used a soldering iron to melt things together, or solvent weld as used by plumbers....
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on July 11, 2020, 06:08:19 PM
Ah, the solvent weld is a good plan. I think my tin of it has probably dried out by now - it's 20 years since I last needed it. I've seen silicone caulk suggested elsewhere, which I also have a dried out tube of.

Time to experiment on some sprues and offcuts.
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: fitzgreyve on July 17, 2020, 11:45:58 AM
Latest kato RhB conversion - "Excellence class":
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/97/6197-170720114044.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=97076)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/97/6197-170720114149.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=97077)

Windows and corridor connection filled in, gold stripes added, new 3D print interior.

Waiting for a jumper set to fill that very stark rear end, not sure if getting some "excellence class" (and new Aps1321 number) decals made would be worth it - so small!
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on August 03, 2020, 11:51:13 AM
I've not seen any mention here of the RhB's new hybrid (overhead / battery) shunters.
https://railcolornews.com/2020/04/26/ch-geaf-2-2-new-hybrid-shunters-delivered-to-rhatische-bahn/ (https://railcolornews.com/2020/04/26/ch-geaf-2-2-new-hybrid-shunters-delivered-to-rhatische-bahn/)

(https://railcolornews.com/wp-content/uploads/Stadler_RhB-Geaf-2_2_The-new-hybrid-shunters-Geaf-2_2-20601-and-20602-on-RhBs-narrow-gauge-tracks-in-Landquart_HansRuedi-Burkhalter_Landquart_22042020.jpg)

The first one has gone into service today at Chur.
https://www.rhb.ch/de/medien/medienmitteilungen/details/erste-neue-rangierlokomotive-in-betrieb (https://www.rhb.ch/de/medien/medienmitteilungen/details/erste-neue-rangierlokomotive-in-betrieb)
Title: Re: Modelling Swiss narrow gauge in 1:150th scale
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on August 05, 2020, 02:57:57 PM
I've finally completed my pair of "Lb" flat wagons with "coop" swap body containers.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50191396823_047878a0a1_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jtf2CK)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50191404378_8974d040f0_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2jtf4T1)

More details in this thread https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=50261.0 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=50261.0) if you're interested.
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