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Title: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Tank on February 23, 2018, 11:56:38 AM
STURGEON DECLARES REVOLUTION IN SCOTLAND!


Or rather, "Sturgeon!" Declares Revolution at Model Rail Scotland.

Revolution Trains is proposing the long-lived and versatile Sturgeon wagon as its next model aimed at the transition era enthusiast.

Based on a 1940s LNER design, and built from the mid-1950s onwards, they've seen service across the Network from Cornwall to the North of Scotland and from West Wales to East Anglia.

Designed to carry all manner of engineers' supplies, these characterful wagons feature distinctive low decks and while most were built with 7 drop down doors these, and the ends, were removable and many ran as flat wagons to carry track panels.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/2-230218120115.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62186)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/2-230218120400.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62187)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/2-230218120429.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62188)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/2-230218120500.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62189)



They could be seen in short cuts with other engineers' wagons such as Dogfish, Grampus or Salmons, or in longer rakes in track renewal trains.

The Revolution model will be produced by the same team that designed the Class B tankers, the first of which are scheduled for delivery very soon, and will feature similar levels of detail and finish.

To ensure the models are adequately weighted a large part of the deck will be diecast, and the model will feature NEM Couplers and, in the case of the versions without doors, removable ends.

The wagons were delivered in black, and Revolution are offering versions with and without doors in the original livery in single and triple packs.

A small number received the short-lived Gulf red livery, and this will also be offered in doorless versions only.

From the mid 1960s, with the adoption of British Rail's corporate image, departmental stock was repainted into olive green and this will be depicted on both 7-door and flat versions in single and triple packs.

In the late 1980s, with sectorisation, the Civil Engineering "Dutch" livery was introduced; the flat wagons were predominantly yellow, while those wagons that still retained doors had the standard grey/yellow colours.  Again, both these variants will be offered.




We anticipate this model will be priced between £28-30 and as ever we can only move forward with development and production if we know there is demand.

A small deposit secures your model and will get the project started.  As ever we will only produce models to match pre-orders.  While some retailers do pre-order models, these are invariably sold at a higher price, so there is nothing to be gained  by delaying your order, and the sooner we reach minimum numbers the sooner we can begin development.




Our Cargowaggon twin vans were unveiled at the DEMU Showcase exhibition in June, and we now have painted samples, so with enthusiastic support our models can progress quickly through the development process.




We are hoping that the widespread appeal of this characterful wagon, and the successful delivery of the attractive Class B tankers, will encourage modellers to back our third crowd-funded project aimed at the transition era.







(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/2-230218115307.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62181)

This wonderfully evocative image shows a Black 5 on a short engineers train at Litherland in the 1960s.  The first wagon behind the loco is a 7-door Sturgeon in black livery.   Photo courtesy David Bryant.




(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/2-230218115403.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62182)

Here, in the BR Blue era, 25159 passes Syston with a short rake comprising a brake van, an open wagon (possibly Grampus) and three Sturgeons with the doors removed but the ends still in place.  Photo courtesy Paul Townsend.




(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/2-230218115434.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62183)

The wagons lasted well into the 21st century; here a single Sturgeon in CE "Dutch" livery is seen behind an EWS liveried Class 37 at Whifflet, near Coatbridge, in 2002.

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: longbow on February 23, 2018, 12:40:12 PM
A interesting choice influenced no doubt by its striking appearance, the large size of the class (>800) and its longevity, spanning the early 1950s to 2000s.

On the downside it's a big wagon (>60ft) to fit into a cramped N Gauge yard and as a specialist PW vehicle it's not something you would have seen in a steam-era mixed goods train.     
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Steven B on February 23, 2018, 01:07:29 PM
Lovely choice. Can you make it a bit rough around the edges so it won't look out of place with my NGS Salmons?


Steven B.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on February 23, 2018, 02:10:09 PM
You almost think they would have also done a Salmon for release in Scotland alongside the mighty Sturgeon.
And are you sure the third wagon shown isn't in SNP yellow?

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Buzzard on February 23, 2018, 02:31:58 PM
More prototype info can be found here

http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_043.php (http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_043.php)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Dalek on February 23, 2018, 02:52:52 PM
You almost think they would have also done a Salmon for release in Scotland alongside the mighty Sturgeon.
And are you sure the third wagon shown isn't in SNP yellow?

It's Salmond... i don't think we want to start talking Scottish politics on here otherwise it will soon escalate into Westminster Politics, Brexit, EU etc etc   :no:

It's nice posting on here, lets keep it that way  :)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on February 23, 2018, 03:05:23 PM
I tried hard but could not find a Salmon with a -D suffix. And then the pun was lost.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: woodbury22uk on February 23, 2018, 04:31:56 PM
My first encounter with a Salmon was in a derailed engineer's train in a loop near Kings Langley. The trap points had done their job and prevented the train running on to the main line. Unfortunately the derailed loco was on a bridge which meant re-railing was a challenge requiring removal of a lot of the OHLE. Turned in to a lengthy Sunday job. The load of used rails on the Salmon had not moved an inch in the derailment with the chains and timber blocks holding everything firm.

I'll be committing to a few of these for the 1990s engineer's trains.

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 23, 2018, 04:37:19 PM
@red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246)

Can we please have track laying cranes for them as well.

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e (http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: PaulCheffus on February 23, 2018, 05:09:39 PM
@red_death ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246[/url])

Can we please have track laying cranes for them as well.

[url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url] ([url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url])


Hi

Wouldn't the NGS addon cranes for the Salmon be suitable?

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 23, 2018, 05:11:47 PM
@red_death ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246[/url])

Can we please have track laying cranes for them as well.

[url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url] ([url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url])


Hi

Wouldn't the NGS addon cranes for the Salmon be suitable?

Cheers

Paul


No, as they have lost the mold and there will be no more :doh:. 

I was hoping that Revolution ones could be used with the N soc. Salmons.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: PaulCheffus on February 23, 2018, 05:20:16 PM
@red_death ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246[/url])

Can we please have track laying cranes for them as well.

[url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url] ([url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url])


Hi

Wouldn't the NGS addon cranes for the Salmon be suitable?

Cheers

Paul


No, as they have lost the mold and there will be no more :doh:. 

I was hoping that Revolution ones could be used with the N soc. Salmons.


Hi

Ah that would be a problem then.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Tank on February 23, 2018, 05:24:10 PM
@red_death ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246[/url])

Can we please have track laying cranes for them as well.

[url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url] ([url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url])


I already asked, and the answer was no as the NGS have the cranes.... so interesting that the NGS don’t have any. Hopefully something will change.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 23, 2018, 05:28:22 PM
@red_death ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246[/url])

Can we please have track laying cranes for them as well.

[url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url] ([url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url])


I already asked, and the answer was no as the NGS have the cranes.... so interesting that the NGS don’t have any. Hopefully something will change.


It's beyond "no cranes" the N Soc. no longer have the ability to make any more. @red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: 25901JFM on February 23, 2018, 06:05:15 PM
My memories of Sturgeons in the early 90's were that they were a bit of a problem to move around as they were restricted to 35mph and therefore made any train they were in a class 8.  Most of the CE trips that I had involvements with were timed as class 6 or 7 only, which made moving them round a bit of a nuisance!  Salmons were not much better but at least they could run at 45mph back then, the surviving Salmons have since been re-bogied and can now run at 60mph.

I would certainly have one or two just for the memories of my days with the BR CE department.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Caz on February 23, 2018, 06:16:00 PM
Alas, another one I'll have to pass by, just doesn't fit in with Claywell.   :(
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: JBQFC on February 23, 2018, 06:26:20 PM
wanted a model of these for a long time i will be in for a few  :D
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: 37058 on February 23, 2018, 06:47:26 PM
Nice! Put me down for a couple please @red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246) Just looked on the website, can't see anything yet?

Cheers
Anthony
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on February 23, 2018, 07:10:42 PM
Yes, I'll certainly be putting in an order for some early ones of both types as soon as preorder facility is up on the RevolutioN website.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 23, 2018, 07:13:57 PM
I will certainly be ordering wagons for several rakes once I figure out the formations I will run them with.  Cranes will certainly increase my order. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Buzzard on February 23, 2018, 08:46:21 PM
Just looked on the website, can't see anything yet?

They're all in Glasgow for the weekend so perhaps a page will be up next week.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Buzzard on February 23, 2018, 08:52:48 PM
Cranes will certainly increase my order

Cranes would secure an order as would wagons with no sides and ends.

Has anyone got an NGS crane in their bits box that they'd be prepared to donate so that a mould could be made?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: RailGooner on February 23, 2018, 09:13:55 PM
Think I've got some unopened kits - I'll have a look tomorrow.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Skyline2uk on February 23, 2018, 11:04:36 PM
Interested in these as I have nearly every other engineering wagon mentioned in the brief as being seen with them.

It’s a bit tricky though as I have to limit modelling funds and I still want to see about catching some of their container flats.

Pleased more models are coming though.

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on February 24, 2018, 12:55:31 AM
We did seriously consider doing the cranes version but it is much easier to do without for people to add them than to tool at extra cost for a relatively smaller number with cranes so we decided not to.

Ben did the masters of the NGS Salmon cranes and is sure CMA have the masters so the NGS should be able to get more done. The other complication is that I think several different types of cranes appeared on the Sturgeons.

If the NGS can't produce any more then I'll 3D design some cranes for people to buy as add ons.

No rush to order them but the product/shop pages should go live later next week.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on February 24, 2018, 12:56:52 AM
Ps we are already offering no sides and no ends as the end posts will be removable on the no sides version.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 24, 2018, 12:58:39 AM
Quote
If the NGS can't produce any more then I'll 3D design some cranes for people to buy as add ons.
  :beers:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Tank on February 24, 2018, 07:04:23 AM
Excellent Mike, thanks! :claphappy:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Mark on February 24, 2018, 10:31:14 AM
Interesting choice, thanks again Revolution.  Will certainly order a few.

I don't know that much about PW / engineers' trains - would they have been seen with Dave Jones' mermaids?

Mark
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Cooper on February 24, 2018, 11:29:14 AM
Very good choice of wagon. Why has nobody done this before! I shall definitely be up for a couple. 👍
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 24, 2018, 11:36:57 AM
We did seriously consider doing the cranes version but it is much easier to do without for people to add them than to tool at extra cost for a relatively smaller number with cranes so we decided not to.

Ben did the masters of the NGS Salmon cranes and is sure CMA have the masters so the NGS should be able to get more done. The other complication is that I think several different types of cranes appeared on the Sturgeons.

If the NGS can't produce any more then I'll 3D design some cranes for people to buy as add ons.

No rush to order them but the product/shop pages should go live later next week.

Cheers Mike

Mike, if you make cranes, can you mold into the model 1mm holes where the cranes would go.  This would give a firm anchor point for cranes if we want to mount them with an almost unnoticeable modification.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Tank on February 24, 2018, 12:03:04 PM
Buy a drill!   :P :D
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 24, 2018, 12:09:52 PM
Buy a drill!   :P :D


Tank I can drill a straight hole in die-cast metal but I have a good pillar drill, your average modeler wont have the kit or probably the skill.

Drilling die-cast is a real  :censored: and most people will skid their drill trying, destroying the paintwork.

The cranes will need to be metal pinned or they will just snap off if only glued.  Even a finer hole that can be drilled out will make a vast difference.

@red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Tank on February 24, 2018, 12:30:17 PM
That's fair enough.  It would be good to have the holes in the models, but perhaps that would then take away from the look of the wagons for those who don't want cranes, and then have two holes?!  An argument for both sides perhaps?!

I'd prefer the holes myself.  Perhaps looking from the underside of the wagon, two holes (or shafts) can be cast into the reverse of the wagon top, requiring the model to 'break through' with a drill if need be, rather than having to drill right the way through?  Then the shaft can act as a guide for the modellers wanting the holes, and those that don't won't have a visible hole on the surface.  Just an idea.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 24, 2018, 12:32:20 PM
That's fair enough.  It would be good to have the holes in the models, but perhaps that would then take away from the look of the wagons for those who don't want cranes, and then have two holes?!  An argument for both sides perhaps?!

I'd prefer the holes myself.  Perhaps looking from the underside of the wagon, two holes (or shafts) can be cast into the reverse of the wagon top, requiring the model to 'break through' with a drill if need be, rather than having to drill right the way through?  Then the shaft can act as a guide for the modellers wanting the holes, and those that don't won't have a visible hole on the surface.  Just an idea.



Yes that would work :)

@red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Tank on February 24, 2018, 12:45:12 PM
 :thumbsup: 

You don't need to tag Mike in every post! ;D 
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: zwilnik on February 24, 2018, 02:11:44 PM
If the die cast metal has enough ferrous content, you could make the cranes with magnets and just stick them on :)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on February 24, 2018, 02:16:49 PM
Can someone point me at a pic of a Sturgeon with a crane?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on February 24, 2018, 02:36:01 PM
Can someone point me at a pic of a Sturgeon with a crane?
See reply 8 above - link to Paul Bartlett's excellent website and a sturgeon with cranes.
HTH
Bob
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 24, 2018, 03:01:35 PM
Can someone point me at a pic of a Sturgeon with a crane?


In the spirit of the Revolution announcement.  :D

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3761-240218145927.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62218)

NB This is the crane that used to load the Bayer Garrett locos onto the ships for Africa
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on February 24, 2018, 03:22:05 PM
 :laughabovepost:    :smiley-laughing:    :beers:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on February 24, 2018, 03:32:09 PM

Also in the spirit of the announcement...

Despite the wide overhang, will there be a close coupling option with fine tolerances?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/1517-240218152710.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62219)

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: RailGooner on February 24, 2018, 03:34:32 PM
Think I've got some unopened kits - I'll have a look tomorrow.
I'll save myself the bother of looking in light of Mike's post. :beers:

..
If the NGS can't produce any more then I'll 3D design some cranes for people to buy as add ons.
...
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on February 24, 2018, 04:49:55 PM

Also in the spirit of the announcement...

Despite the wide overhang, will there be a close coupling option with fine tolerances?

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/1517-240218152710.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62219[/url])


 :sick2:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: broadsword on February 24, 2018, 05:05:02 PM
Which movie is that scene from ?

a  Fatal Attraction

b  A Kind of Loving

c  Kiss of the Spider Woman
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 24, 2018, 05:14:07 PM
Which movie is that scene from ?

a  Fatal Attraction

b  A Kind of Loving

c  Kiss of the Spider Woman

Kiss the Girls and Make Them Cry
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on February 24, 2018, 07:11:53 PM

Hello all,

On the prototype the cranes are just clamped on, and the position can vary, so pre-drilling holes isn't particularly helpful. Plus given the relatively small number of customers who would want them wouldn't be optimal on a R-T-R model.

This image shows the same type of crane as the NGS casting, albeit fitted to a Salmon, not a Sturgeon:

https://goo.gl/images/M5gm1Z

There is a plate across the deck which would offer a large area for gluing.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on February 24, 2018, 10:38:38 PM

This image shows the same type of crane as the NGS casting, albeit fitted to a Salmon, not a Sturgeon:

https://goo.gl/images/M5gm1Z


Ben
i can't seem to get the shortened link to work. i'm just on a normal Windows 10 machine.
Can you re-post the full link?
Bob
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 24, 2018, 10:42:23 PM
https://gingespotting.smugmug.com/DetailShots/Wagon/YFB/ (https://gingespotting.smugmug.com/DetailShots/Wagon/YFB/)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: PaulCheffus on February 25, 2018, 07:54:21 AM
Hi

Making an assumption that the cranes are the same distance from the wagon edge as on the salmon then the NGS cranes come with a drilling jig that could be used to position the holes.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on February 25, 2018, 10:29:37 AM
Good news.  I shall be splurgin' on a Sturgeon or two :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Railwaygun on February 25, 2018, 01:31:06 PM
[url]https://gingespotting.smugmug.com/DetailShots/Wagon/YFB/[/url] ([url]https://gingespotting.smugmug.com/DetailShots/Wagon/YFB/[/url])


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/941-250218132939-62199544.jpeg)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: RailGooner on February 25, 2018, 05:09:46 PM
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([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/941-250218132939-62199544.jpeg[/url])


What scale are those?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: RailGooner on February 25, 2018, 05:11:12 PM
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([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/941-250218132939-62199544.jpeg[/url])


What material are they made from?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: RailGooner on February 25, 2018, 05:12:27 PM
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([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/941-250218132939-62199544.jpeg[/url])


Where are they from? Or did you make them yourself?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: rusticged on February 25, 2018, 07:52:21 PM
 :wave:
I am delighted with this announcement as well. I shall certainly be ordering a number. Thanks Mike & Ben.
Cheers,
Ged
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: cutting42 on February 26, 2018, 12:34:42 AM
Pushing era slightly but I am sure a couple in the yard with the snow ploughs and other random fishkind would not look out of place
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Thorpe Parva on February 26, 2018, 09:39:07 AM
I think I'm now going to have two PW trains instead of the one originally planned.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: robert shrives on February 27, 2018, 01:46:12 PM
 :thankyousign:

A good choice of wagon and liveries - here`s to a good revolution !

Looking to order 3 dutch with sides.

Robert
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: talisman56 on February 28, 2018, 02:03:44 PM
Which movie is that scene from ?

a  Fatal Attraction

b  A Kind of Loving

c  Kiss of the Spider Woman

Definitely c...

I might go for a triple pack in black - I think my next layout will have to be/include a full-blown PW depot... :)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Spanners70 on February 28, 2018, 04:33:37 PM
Wish revolution would stop there costing me a fortune ! First pendolonos, then I have 29 of the 35ton tanks on the way, then there’s the cargo wagons I need to order probably Perrier plus at least a triple cargo wagon, hoa at some point no doubt be a good 10 units to make a decent rake and now I will need a rake of sturgeons....
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Railwaygun on March 01, 2018, 11:25:29 AM
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([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/941-250218132939-62199544.jpeg[/url])


Where are they from? Or did you make them yourself?


Shapeways - OO sized parts
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 01, 2018, 11:41:24 AM
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([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/941-250218132939-62199544.jpeg[/url])


Where are they from? Or did you make them yourself?


Shapeways - OO sized parts


Can you post a link and a makers name, thanks
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Railwaygun on March 01, 2018, 10:16:31 PM
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([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/941-250218132939-62199544.jpeg[/url])


Where are they from? Or did you make them yourself?


They are OO, and I found the picture here

Salmon' - Bogie Rail Mounted Crane Wagon model

https://www.hamodels.net/cranes-generator-for-salmon-rail-wagon.html (https://www.hamodels.net/cranes-generator-for-salmon-rail-wagon.html)

Genesis kits are producers

http://www.genesiskits.co.uk/shop/wagon-components/cranes-generator-for-salmon-rail-wagon/ (http://www.genesiskits.co.uk/shop/wagon-components/cranes-generator-for-salmon-rail-wagon/)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 01, 2018, 10:38:36 PM
OK i know who makes them and I am sure they are white metal.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Railwaygun on March 01, 2018, 10:59:19 PM
..
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/941-250218132939-62199544.jpeg[/url])


Where are they from? Or did you make them yourself?


They are OO, and I found the picture here

Salmon' - Bogie Rail Mounted Crane Wagon model

[url]https://www.hamodels.net/cranes-generator-for-salmon-rail-wagon.html[/url] ([url]https://www.hamodels.net/cranes-generator-for-salmon-rail-wagon.html[/url])



I suspect one could scratch build a pair in N from the pictures? H section, rod, and base dimensions from the Sturgeon width??

Pictures here (quoted above)

https://gingespotting.smugmug.com/DetailShots/Wagon/YFB/i-hZJmwvQ (https://gingespotting.smugmug.com/DetailShots/Wagon/YFB/i-hZJmwvQ)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on March 02, 2018, 09:00:33 AM
Two different types of crane (prototype and the Genesis ones). Ben thinks the masters for the NGS cranes are available at CMA and are of the Geismar type which IRC are the most common type on the Sturgeon.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 09, 2018, 10:28:45 AM
As an aside, I received this first pass render today from a chap that does CAD for me.  Its a long term project for use with NGS Salmons I have been working up to and whether this type of crane was used with Sturgeons I am not sure.  However with a bit more detail added, subject to printing resolution, I'm hoping to get these printed and available through Shapeways.

I have photos of this crane type on Salmons and if anyone has photos of them fitted to Sturgeons, that would be very helpful.  :thumbsup:

NB. I know the generator is back to front  :)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3761-090318102502.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62734)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 09, 2018, 02:44:28 PM
From a bit of research today it appears a valid train would be a set of Salmons with these cranes for rails, combined with Sturgeons with sides for ballast, sleepers and other materials and a class 37 or similar to haul them.

http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_043.php (http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_043.php)

http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_044.php (http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_044.php)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 10, 2018, 10:24:12 AM
Here are the adjusted drawings ready to try a test print.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3761-100318102113.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62764)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3761-100318102133.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62765)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3761-100318102148.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62766)


NB these are the alternate type from the type that occasionally are available from the NGS.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 10, 2018, 07:58:49 PM
Off to Shapeways for a first print.

This image is much sharper and is from the Shapeways site.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3761-100318195813.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62796)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: robert shrives on March 10, 2018, 08:57:22 PM
Hi look forward to these being printed - I will wait until shapeways has a free posting session  as cost of even 10 will be outweighed by UPs charges!
Thanks for effort in creating.
Robert
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 10, 2018, 09:02:50 PM
Hi look forward to these being printed - I will wait until shapeways has a free posting session  as cost of even 10 will be outweighed by UPs charges!
Thanks for effort in creating.
Robert

If they print I will put them up in a Shapeways shop.

I'm just eager to see how they come out, I have seven NGS Salmons to build with them  :)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 15, 2018, 08:05:22 PM
The crane prints have passed checking and are on their way.

I have opened a shop on Shapeways for anyone who wants them

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/snowwolflair (https://www.shapeways.com/shops/snowwolflair)

I should be able to put up photos when they arrive early next week.

Roll on the Sturgeons.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 18, 2018, 12:35:40 AM
With my delivery of Mobil B tankers there was a leaflet promising a discount of £2 on each Sturgeon to previous customers of B tankers (I assume).

thank you, very much appreciated.  :D

It is dated "use by 31st March" so I assume that the ability to order them will be available soon.

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: PaulCheffus on March 18, 2018, 07:21:15 PM
With my delivery of Mobil B tankers there was a leaflet promising a discount of £2 on each Sturgeon to previous customers of B tankers (I assume).

thank you, very much appreciated.  :D

It is dated "use by 31st March" so I assume that the ability to order them will be available soon.

Hi

I hope the offer will be extended for those of use that probably won’t have our tanks before 31/3.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: mickster04 on March 18, 2018, 07:38:29 PM
As a kiwi I expect mine to take even longer!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on March 18, 2018, 07:43:21 PM
With my delivery of Mobil B tankers there was a leaflet promising a discount of £2 on each Sturgeon to previous customers of B tankers (I assume).

thank you, very much appreciated.  :D

It is dated "use by 31st March" so I assume that the ability to order them will be available soon.



Thanks for the "heads up" I hadn't noticed that!

Unexpected but very much appreciated, I shall certainly use it, and with the discount on six I will be nearly half way to a seventh!

Roy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on March 18, 2018, 10:24:52 PM
I think we designed the leaflet before we knew that the main batch of Class Bs were going to be slightly late.

Plus we'd rather show people some CAD before they hand over money!

So you'll see in tonight's newsletter (if you're signed up for it, or if you aren't it should appear on our website under News>Newsletter Archive) that we won't open the order book for the Sturgeon until we have something to show and then the discount period will start (if the Class B main batch haven't arrived then we will extend the discount period as necessary).

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: longbow on March 19, 2018, 03:41:33 AM
Looking forward to seeing the CADs but your credibility has already reached the point where I would be prepared to order sight unseen.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bealman on March 19, 2018, 04:09:17 AM
I agree!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Graham on March 19, 2018, 06:20:57 AM
will be ordering some, after the stunning TEA's there is nothing to prove re capability.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Smiffy on March 19, 2018, 06:41:18 AM
Plus we'd rather show people some CAD before they hand over money!

Cheers, Mike

A sensible approach even if currently Revolution have such a reputation you could open the book and be backed.  Could be tempting to make the mistake of going with too many projects and then a delay would bite hard.

Respect is hard earned and easily lost.

Best regards

Iain
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on March 19, 2018, 05:57:15 PM
I agree!

I do as well. For a first or even a second model I can understand that people may want to see some CADS first but I think RevolutioN's reputation for top quality models is now such that most will commit sight unseen.

That said it is Mike and Ben's call entirely and if that is their preference then fair enough.

Roy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 19, 2018, 06:00:32 PM
The CAD will throw up issues such as stability and weight that could influence the model and its cost to make, so wise to hold off until they have the CAD.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 20, 2018, 10:41:20 AM
The cranes have arrived  :bounce:

and they are exquisite.

Available from Shapeways https://www.shapeways.com/shops/snowwolflair (https://www.shapeways.com/shops/snowwolflair)
(at cost price +£1 to cover the CAD work)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/3761-200318103245.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63134)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/3761-200318103309.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63135)

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 20, 2018, 10:53:36 AM
I have just started a new build thread here http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=40866.msg498597#msg498597 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=40866.msg498597#msg498597) to show these 3D prints fitted to NGS Salmons, so as not to clog the Revolution Sturgeon thread.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Skyline2uk on April 07, 2018, 07:53:45 PM
Was out and about today on the East Somerset Railway and spotted a rather rotten Sturgeon...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/1081-070418193322.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63959)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/1081-070418194234.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63960)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/1081-070418194505.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63961)

Apologise if they are iffy quality, taken from a moving train.

Would never have spotted one of these if it wasn’t for Revolution / the NGF and my daily does of education  :NGF:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chetcombe on April 07, 2018, 08:29:07 PM

Apologise if they are iffy quality, taken from a moving train.

Skyline2uk

Quite the opposite. The photos are very high quality, it is the state of the sturgeon that is iffy quality!!!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on April 08, 2018, 11:30:59 AM
Great pics, just illustrates what a universally attractive and useful model the Sturgeon will be with some surviving to the present day on preserved lines.

Roy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: wizbit44 on April 20, 2018, 05:06:02 PM
Cranes are available on the shapeways web site...my be of use ,not seen them to say what the quality is ?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on April 20, 2018, 05:24:23 PM
Cranes are available on the shapeways web site...my be of use ,not seen them to say what the quality is ?


I made these for salmons but they can be used for Sturgeons, here is the build thread and the Shapeways link.

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=40866.msg498597#msg498597 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=40866.msg498597#msg498597)

https://www.shapeways.com/product/38YVCA6W9/crane-for-salmon-track-carrying-wagons-in-n-gauge?optionId=65034401 (https://www.shapeways.com/product/38YVCA6W9/crane-for-salmon-track-carrying-wagons-in-n-gauge?optionId=65034401)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/3761-200318103309.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63135)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/3761-020418001204.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63733)

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Dalek on May 02, 2018, 03:36:43 PM
Had a good look but i can't find how you pledge for these anywhere?

Craig
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on May 03, 2018, 08:21:27 AM
Hi Craig

As mentioned earlier we won't open the order book until we have something to show you i.e. CAD.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Dalek on May 03, 2018, 08:29:25 AM
Hi Craig

As mentioned earlier we won't open the order book until we have something to show you i.e. CAD.

Cheers Mike

Sorry i must have missed that, thanks Mike

Craig
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Skyline2uk on May 03, 2018, 08:32:48 AM
I think on balance this is good as I have no cash atm!

Keep up the great work though guys!

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: monkey_brains on May 03, 2018, 05:20:15 PM
Hi Craig

As mentioned earlier we won't open the order book until we have something to show you i.e. CAD.

Cheers Mike

If the 321 in Northern colours ends up not going ahead there will one very large order of Sturgeons!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on August 09, 2018, 12:35:35 AM

Hello all,

The first CAD images of the forthcoming Sturgeon model have arrived.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/94-090818002827-67975138.jpeg)

These are now being assessed, and any modifications needed will be made. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/94-090818002827-679752280.jpeg)

We anticipate the order book will be opening shortly and then once enough orders are in we can begin tooling.

For more information and images see here: http://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/)

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Graham on August 09, 2018, 01:31:21 AM
looking good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Dalek on August 09, 2018, 08:09:48 AM
They look great !

@Ben A (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94)  can you put era numbers next to them when they are listed please to help those that are a bit rubbish at getting this right ? ie me  :-[

Craig
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Steven B on August 09, 2018, 08:44:17 AM
Craig,
Eras are already on the RT website:
http://www.revolutiontrains.com/sturgeon-declares-revolution-scotland/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/sturgeon-declares-revolution-scotland/)

Black - era 4,5,6 & 7
Gulf Red - 5 & 6
Olive Green - 6, 7 & 8
Dept. Yellow 7, 8 & 9
Dutch grey/Yellow 7, 8 & 9


Steven B.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Dalek on August 09, 2018, 09:01:56 AM
Craig,
Eras are already on the RT website:
[url]http://www.revolutiontrains.com/sturgeon-declares-revolution-scotland/[/url] ([url]http://www.revolutiontrains.com/sturgeon-declares-revolution-scotland/[/url])

Black - era 4,5,6 & 7
Gulf Red - 5 & 6
Olive Green - 6, 7 & 8
Dept. Yellow 7, 8 & 9
Dutch grey/Yellow 7, 8 & 9


Steven B.


Thanks for that, i will own up... i didn't even look  :-[  :sorrysign:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/o14YPU6vooy0o/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: 37058 on August 09, 2018, 09:34:59 AM
Fantastic @Ben A (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94)

Put me down for 2 YPA Tench, or I could just wait for the order book to open :claphappy:

Cheers
Anthony
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: talisman56 on August 09, 2018, 10:12:43 AM
Looking good.  :thumbsup:  :drool:

Can't wait to use my discount code from the Class Bs on a trio of these bad boys...
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: ohlavache on September 08, 2018, 11:19:59 AM
Any news on this one?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: monkey_brains on September 08, 2018, 12:30:40 PM
Official website shows that they are awaiting corrected CAD drawings and the order book will open very soon

https://www.revolutiontrains.com/projects/ (https://www.revolutiontrains.com/projects/)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: ohlavache on September 16, 2018, 07:55:13 PM
A question.
Should this thread be moved to 'Crowdfunding > RevolutioN Trains' so that all their announcements are at the same location?

Can't wait to place an order...
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Tank on September 17, 2018, 06:50:10 AM
Thanks Ovlavache, I've moved it now. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: BR Signalman on September 21, 2018, 04:10:26 PM
Looking on the Revolution website, there is news letter saying Order book open, CAD complete. I cannot find the ordering bit. My fingers are twitching and credit card wincing as I can find a good home for 5 black Sturgeons. Any ideas anyone?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on September 21, 2018, 04:17:04 PM
You get good caviar from black sturgeons :-)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: BR Signalman on September 21, 2018, 04:23:11 PM
Sounds a bit fishy to me!  :sorrysign:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on September 21, 2018, 06:47:42 PM

Hello all,

Apologies, order book will be opening very soon.  Just a couple of last minute details to sort out.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: BR Signalman on September 21, 2018, 06:54:20 PM
The comment about "Sounds fishy" was in no way meant towards Revolution Trains. It was just a light-hearted response to the previous comment.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 22, 2018, 11:12:08 AM
I'm also eagerly waiting for the online order form so I can put down a deposit for a BR Black and BR Gulf Red "Sturgeon". (Ditto a BR WR Green Class 128 DPU.) My "ESSO" Class B tank wagons are simply superb models.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on September 22, 2018, 11:52:40 AM
Agreed Chris, my Class B tanks are superb, exquisitely detailed and finished. My only suggestion if there is a further batch (or Class As) would be to review the weighting to see if it can be reduced a tad as they are pretty heavy and even my 12 wagons can cause Class 24s (no weaklings) to slip a bit on a 180 degree curve, the only steam locos I would be confident of hauling them without issue would be my tender driven B1s and J39s. As I say, not a criticism but a suggestion.

As to Sturgeons and 128s, as soon as the orders are open I will be in too!


Roy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 22, 2018, 12:09:52 PM
I would also buy "ESSO" Class A tank wagons.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: JonHarbour on September 29, 2018, 02:07:20 PM
Agreed Chris, my Class B tanks are superb, exquisitely detailed and finished. My only suggestion if there is a further batch (or Class As) would be to review the weighting to see if it can be reduced a tad as they are pretty heavy and even my 12 wagons can cause Class 24s (no weaklings) to slip a bit on a 180 degree curve, the only steam locos I would be confident of hauling them without issue would be my tender driven B1s and J39s. As I say, not a criticism but a suggestion.

As to Sturgeons and 128s, as soon as the orders are open I will be in too!


Roy

Definitely second the weight opinion Roy! Beautiful models! They have confirmed that my layout (when I actually have spare time to build it!) will need to be flat! I'm definitely in for a couple of sturgeons and a class 128 railcar!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on September 30, 2018, 11:51:42 PM
Hello all,

The CAD drawings for the two Sturgeon variants - with and without bodyside drop-down doors - are just about done.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/94-300918234042-695351219.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/94-300918234043-696022482.jpeg)

There are a few little tweaks needed on the inside of the doors as the panelling needs a minor revision.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/94-300918234043-696026.jpeg)

Differences between the wagons, apart from the obvious doors, include the profile of the end section (which is removable) and the shape of the buffers.  We are also planning at least one air-braked "Tench" version too.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/94-300918234045-696042232.jpeg)

Once the very minor niggles are sorted out we will be ready to open the order book, and the sooner we get firm orders the sooner we can get this model into tooling!  The record for the fastest seller so far is the IZA which reached the required numbers in just a few weeks, so we are hoping this versatile, imposing and widespread wagon will do even better!

For more pictures and information see our News page at www.revolutiontrains.com (http://www.revolutiontrains.com)

This wagon is, like our Class B tankers, being overseen by former Farish designer Colin Allbright and so far we are very happy with the look of the model.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: longbow on October 01, 2018, 12:30:32 AM
I'd wondering how a Sturgeon or two would fit into a short, steam-era PW train with Grampus and Mermaid wagons on its way to a minor track repair job. The side door variant carrying rails and sleepers presumably?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on October 01, 2018, 12:53:58 AM

Hi Longbow,

I don't have a definitive answer to your question, but I suspect there isn't one.  It seems to me that Sturgeons were designed to be as flexible as possible with doors and ends fully demountable - and this is how they were used pretty much from the start.

With doors they were intended for carrying ballast, fishplates, signalling parts, tools, and anything and everything that the engineers might need.   Without, they seemed to be used more usually for complete 60' track panels - either bringing new ones to a location, or taking old ones away. 

And the jobs could be a brief possession to change a short length of track to a large junction renewal job.

Certainly there is every reason to think that for some jobs maybe two flats loaded with track panels, a doored version carrying tools/cables/bags of cement/track joiners/other bits and maybe a couple of Dogfish or similar could be a very modellable proposition.

Our Sturgeon launch page here http://www.revolutiontrains.com/sturgeon-declares-revolution-scotland/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/sturgeon-declares-revolution-scotland/) shows a Black Five with a black, door-fitted Sturgeon immediately behind the loco, but doesn't show the rest of the train.  Further down there is a very attractive short engineers train behind a Class 40 - two Sturgeons, including one fitted with cranes, a 4-wheel runner and a BR Brake van.

However, I'd be really interested to hear more from those with more knowledge of operations in the steam era.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: longbow on October 01, 2018, 02:11:00 AM
I found this video on track panel relaying, probably mid/late 1950s judging by the liveries. Note that the track panel train includes an empty wagon at front to take the initial used panels, with the crane and other equipment arriving in a separate train on the other track.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I3QM0PBn0A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I3QM0PBn0A)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 01, 2018, 07:15:59 AM
Superb illustrations, Ben. I particularly like the side door variant. I'm itching to order a BR Black and a BR Indian Red one of these, at least. Good question, Longbow. Cant Cove is a very small layout, so I envisage these two Sturgeons carrying rails, sleepers and tools, with a Grampus (I have a few) and a Mermaid (I need to buy one) ballast wagon, plus a Shark ballast plough brake van (I need to finish mine), on their way to a track repair worksite where the workers are waiting.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Dalek on November 09, 2018, 04:03:02 PM
Guess this needs bring back up, just seen on Facebook :)

Sturgeon order book now open - with an early bird discount for everyone (no code needed) for 6 weeks:
http://www.revolutiontrains.com/product/sturgeon/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/product/sturgeon/)

Ordered mine :)
Craig
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 09, 2018, 04:28:07 PM
Guess this needs bring back up, just seen on Facebook :)

Sturgeon order book now open - with an early bird discount for everyone (no code needed) for 6 weeks:
[url]http://www.revolutiontrains.com/product/sturgeon/[/url] ([url]http://www.revolutiontrains.com/product/sturgeon/[/url])

Ordered mine :)
Craig


Many thanks, Craig. Unfortunately, my Class B tanker buyer's discunt code does not seem to work. 8-(
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on November 09, 2018, 05:01:28 PM
As Craig mentioned - no code is needed for the discount.  We thought that was the fairest way as some people will have old discount codes that they might have lost etc...plus it meant we could offer a £2/wagon discount on singles and triples (the discount code would have given you £2 off a single and/or £2 off a triple pack).

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on November 09, 2018, 05:11:33 PM
Order placed as well  :D
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: BR Signalman on November 09, 2018, 05:18:32 PM
In for 2 triple packs.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: REGP on November 09, 2018, 05:20:41 PM
@red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246)
I want to order a couple but can’t find them on your web site, are they only available via Facebook?

Also, are the BR Black & BR Red different eras, if so which eras please?

Ray
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on November 09, 2018, 05:31:18 PM
@red_death ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246[/url])
I want to order a couple but can’t find them on your web site, are they only available via Facebook?

Also, are the BR Black & BR Red different eras, if so which eras please?

Ray


Hi Ray


The direct link is in Craig's post above or you can find them in our shop on our website - click on Shop > N Gauge > Sturgeon.

When you select the livery/single or triple and side doors/no doors it tells you in the description that appears above the price which era that wagon is suitable for.  I'll try to add the list to the main description but that won't be until next week.

Roughly (in date order with a lot of overlap):
Black 4, 5, 6
Red 5
Green 6, 7, 8
Yellow 7, 8, 9
Grey/Yellow 8 and 9

But as I say there was quite a bit of overlap.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: REGP on November 09, 2018, 05:59:51 PM
@red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246)

Thanks for quick response, will try ordering via Craiges link later.

When going into “Shop”  on your website all I get offered is “My Account” with no obvious options for N gauge etc.

Ray
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: JBQFC on November 09, 2018, 06:04:39 PM
just ordered 7 a wagon type i have wanted for a long time

john 
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: PaulCheffus on November 09, 2018, 06:26:24 PM
@red_death ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246[/url])

Thanks for quick response, will try ordering via Craiges link later.

When going into “Shop”  on your website all I get offered is “My Account” with no obvious options for N gauge etc.

Ray


Hi

Click on the shop menu item twice. First click shows my account, second click takes you to the products page. Not the most obvious way of using a menu.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Hailstone on November 09, 2018, 08:35:35 PM
one triple pack ordered  :claphappy:

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on November 09, 2018, 08:43:16 PM
Six black ones ordered, three with and three without side-doors.

Roy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: snitchthebudgie on November 09, 2018, 09:45:29 PM
4 black ones ordered. 
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on November 09, 2018, 09:54:33 PM
Just tried to order a triple pack of black ones, typed in the coupon code from my class B tanks and the site states "coupon does not exist" ???
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on November 09, 2018, 10:04:16 PM
Pay attention old thing.

Look back a few posts, it's all explained earlier!

I've got my own problems with the site. I went to have a look and it would appear that somehow I've got a triple pack of black, with doors on order!

How does that happen? I was only looking. I know I wouldn't have ordered any as I promised myself I wouldn't buy anymore stock this year.

 ???
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on November 09, 2018, 10:07:18 PM
Pay attention old thing.

Look back a few posts, it's all explained earlier!

I've got my own problems with the site. I went to have a look and it would appear that somehow I've got a triple pack of black, with doors on order!

How does that happen? I was only looking. I know I wouldn't have ordered any as I promised myself I wouldn't buy anymore stock this year.

 ???

Yeah - just gone back and seen Mike'#s post about the coupon, but as you called me 'old' you've ordered a triple pack of black ones for me. Just don't ask me how I managed it! >:D ;)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on November 09, 2018, 10:10:57 PM
Pay attention old thing.

Look back a few posts, it's all explained earlier!

I've got my own problems with the site. I went to have a look and it would appear that somehow I've got a triple pack of black, with doors on order!

How does that happen? I was only looking. I know I wouldn't have ordered any as I promised myself I wouldn't buy anymore stock this year.

 ???

Yeah - just gone back and seen Mike'#s post about the coupon, but as you called me 'old' you've ordered a triple pack of black ones for me. Just don't ask me how I managed it! >:D ;)

That's okay old boy, turns out I'd used your credit card. Just don't ask me how I managed it!

 :whistle:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: NinOz on November 10, 2018, 03:41:41 AM
Haven't ordered any.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on November 10, 2018, 08:15:23 AM
Haven't ordered any.

If you don't intend to then why bother to post that? ???
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 10, 2018, 09:40:29 AM
As Craig mentioned - no code is needed for the discount.  We thought that was the fairest way as some people will have old discount codes that they might have lost etc...plus it meant we could offer a £2/wagon discount on singles and triples (the discount code would have given you £2 off a single and/or £2 off a triple pack).

Cheers Mike

Thanks, Mike. My apologies. I did not read carefully enough. I will be ordering at least two black with doors. Maybe, later, a triple pack (which I don't need but could resell, as I did with my Class B triple pack) if further orders are needed to reach the target.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: mk1gtstu on November 10, 2018, 10:33:02 AM
Just ordered 3 black Sturgeons. Haven't ordered anything from Revolution before but their models look impressive  :claphappy:

Cheers, Stu
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 10, 2018, 10:44:43 AM
Just ordered 3 black Sturgeons. Haven't ordered anything from Revolution before but their models look impressive  :claphappy:

Cheers, Stu

The Class B tank wagons are VERY impressive, Stu.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Shropshire Lad on November 10, 2018, 02:34:26 PM
I've probably missed this detail somewhere but how long are they please?
I want as many as I can fit into the PW yard!
Cheers Colin
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on November 10, 2018, 07:32:43 PM
I want some of these but I am really at a loss as to how I would use them on my layout. What would i run them with?
What goes into the ones with doors, and would they been seen with and without doors on the same train?
I am veering towards black, BTW. Dont like indian red, but also model the olive era.

ESSO B tanks was an easy decision!

Bob
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: talisman56 on November 10, 2018, 08:08:42 PM
Any guidance as to why certain combinations aren't available?

ie I can only order a triple pack in Olive Green with doors. Why isn't a 'no doors' option available in this case as both earlier and later livery variants are available with 'no doors'?

Or is the question moot because the doors are user-removable?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: talisman56 on November 10, 2018, 08:11:45 PM
I want some of these but I am really at a loss as to how I would use them on my layout. What would i run them with?
What goes into the ones with doors, and would they been seen with and without doors on the same train?
I am veering towards black, BTW. Dont like indian red, but also model the olive era.

ESSO B tanks was an easy decision!

Bob

The 'with doors' Sturgeons were use to carry 'loose' items, eg Ballast, Engineers Equipment, and track spares (sleepers, chairs, etc.).
The doors were removed for those fitted to carry 60' track panels (both new and used).
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on November 11, 2018, 01:04:02 AM
Any guidance as to why certain combinations aren't available?

ie I can only order a triple pack in Olive Green with doors. Why isn't a 'no doors' option available in this case as both earlier and later livery variants are available with 'no doors'?

Or is the question moot because the doors are user-removable?

Simply because we are sticking to combinations that we know existed and/or that we expect to sell.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 11, 2018, 09:50:43 AM
I have just ordered my initial 2 X Black with side doors (one for me and one for a friend for 'through' running). One is all I really need or have room for at Cant Cove. However, should the project need an extra boost, later, I'll order a triple pack, I think Black without doors and keep one and resell the other two (as I did with the superb Class B tanks).
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on November 11, 2018, 01:39:50 PM
I've probably missed this detail somewhere but how long are they please?

I'm not at home but off the top of my head around 130-135mm. Plus a small amount for couplings.

Cheers Mike

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Buzzard on November 11, 2018, 02:03:30 PM
I've probably missed this detail somewhere but how long are they please?

Buffers to buffers should be a fraction over 137mm plus, as red_death, says a bit for the couplings
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Shropshire Lad on November 11, 2018, 03:12:52 PM
That's great, thanks! I'll measure up and put in an order.
Cheers Colin
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Steven B on November 12, 2018, 02:20:29 PM
@red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246) , @Ben A (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94),

Will the Olive green version have any TOPS codes printed on? Will it be a fitted or un-fitted wagon? (working out if I also need a brake-van or two).

Also, do you know the dimensions of the load space for the versions with drop-side doors? (length & width between planks). I'm planning on using a dismantled footbridge as a load and want to find one that fits...

Steven B
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on November 12, 2018, 02:46:59 PM
Dimensions - I don't know without checking the CAD and I'm unlikely to have time to do that before Warley I'm afraid.

Olive green - we haven't made the final decision on numbers but it will most likely be a TOPS numbered version. Unfitted.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Buzzard on November 12, 2018, 04:34:07 PM
Also, do you know the dimensions of the load space for the versions with drop-side doors? (length & width between planks). I'm planning on using a dismantled footbridge as a load and want to find one that fits...

Not sure if this is what you mean but

Inside length = 19.507m
Inside width = 2.076m
Inside height (floor to top of sides) = 0.575m

So a quick bit of maths gives 126mm * 13mm * 4mm.  All rounded to the nearest mil.

Any good?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: talisman56 on November 12, 2018, 04:47:02 PM
OK, two triple packs ordered, Olive Green with doors and Black without...
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: PaulCheffus on November 12, 2018, 05:30:37 PM
Also, do you know the dimensions of the load space for the versions with drop-side doors? (length & width between planks). I'm planning on using a dismantled footbridge as a load and want to find one that fits...

Not sure if this is what you mean but

Inside length = 19.507m
Inside width = 2.076m
Inside height (floor to top of sides) = 0.575m

So a quick bit of maths gives 126mm * 13mm * 4mm.  All rounded to the nearest mil.

Any good?

Hi

19507 / 148 = 132 not 126 rounded to nearest mm.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Buzzard on November 12, 2018, 06:15:49 PM
19507 / 148 = 132 not 126 rounded to nearest mm.

Oh!  :worried:

It never occured to me to calculate it your way.

I converted 19.507m into inches, then divided to get feet and then multiplied by 2.

I was always hopeless at maths.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: ohlavache on November 16, 2018, 06:13:21 PM
I ordered my sturgeons today.
I hope they will come soon...  :bounce:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Skyline2uk on November 19, 2018, 01:40:20 PM
Just placed my order for three examples (2x yellow without doors, 1x Dutch with doors).

First time I have benifitted from “early bird” prices  :laugh:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Thorpe Parva on December 06, 2018, 02:00:52 PM
Just ordered Triple Black with Doors & Single Gulf Red.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Buzzard on December 20, 2018, 09:12:44 PM
So an e-mail arrived today from Revolution which included, amongst other things, a reminder that the early bird price for Sturgeons ends tomorrow, December 21st.

Oops I thought hadn't done anything about that so out came the credit card and after logging in I've ordered some.  Not too many but I've saved enough to get the shipping for free.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on December 22, 2018, 09:57:37 AM

Hello all,

Just a gentle reminder that it's... EARLYBIRD PRICE DEADLINE DAY!‬

‪The £33 EarlyBird rate for the forthcoming Revolution Trains Sturgeon engineer's wagon ends at midnight tonight, at which time the price goes up to £35‬.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/94-221218095700-725631630.jpeg)

Because of the rapid take up we've seen since opening the order book the model is already in tooling and we are expecting to have EP1 samples to show at Model Rail Scotland in February.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: bluedepot on December 22, 2018, 10:04:49 AM
great!

maybe more engineers wagons in the future then as proving popular!

how about catfish or sealions/seacows!

happy christmas ben and mike and all revolution trains people!

Tim
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Calnefoxile on December 22, 2018, 12:35:33 PM

My orders have gone in, 1 Black with doors & 2 Yellow without Doors, Xmas pressie from Mrs C.

Oh and a Triple pack of Olive (Just don't tell SWMBO about these  ;) ;) ;) )

Looking forward to getting them.

Cheers

Neal

P.S. Merry Chrimbo one and all.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on January 29, 2019, 03:00:20 PM

Hello all,

EP 1 samples of the Sturgeon are here, both with and without doors.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/94-290119145111-73626275.jpeg)

The door handles are all in wire - 14 each side! On the production models we will have them a little less proud.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/94-290119145459-73634894.jpeg)

Other than a few minor niggles we are very happy indeed with these.  Next step is deco samples, probably in about another 6 weeks (allowing for Chinese New Year, which has just started) and then we can close the order book.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/94-290119145500-736351786.jpeg)

More information and ordering here: https://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/ (https://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/)

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Dalek on January 29, 2019, 03:05:40 PM
 :o

Those look awesome Ben  :thumbsup: Great work, as usual   :thankyousign:

Craig
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 29, 2019, 03:07:16 PM
:o

Those look awesome Ben  :thumbsup: Great work, as usual   :thankyousign:

Craig

Seconded!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on January 29, 2019, 03:17:44 PM
Excellent work fellas. Nobody can accuse you of hanging around!

 ;D
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on January 29, 2019, 03:22:09 PM
Quick question - the deck looks shiny. shouldn't it be textured in some way - planking etc?
Otherwise happy to have prepaid.
Bob
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on January 29, 2019, 03:26:27 PM
They look fabulous and it wouldn't surprise me to see an award heading your way for these
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 29, 2019, 03:41:56 PM
Quick question - the deck looks shiny. shouldn't it be textured in some way - planking etc?
Otherwise happy to have prepaid.
Bob

Steel deck and you can add rust to taste  :D


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/3761-290119154144.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73640)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bealman on January 29, 2019, 04:14:57 PM
They look great!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on January 29, 2019, 06:09:04 PM
Quick question - the deck looks shiny. shouldn't it be textured in some way - planking etc?
Otherwise happy to have prepaid.
Bob

Yes - it’s steel checkerplate on the prototype. This will be engraved in once we are happy with the rest of the part.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 29, 2019, 06:16:22 PM
 : :claphappy:

FANTASTIC

After missing out on class B tanks i knew we needed these and Mike confirmed we did so orders placed, triple with doors, triple without.

I cannot wait, my plan was to have this part of the layout built and running ready for Sturgeons, we start building baseboards on Saturday, track is all here ready to lay.

Hopefully I'll achieve it.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on January 29, 2019, 07:33:08 PM
Quick question - the deck looks shiny. shouldn't it be textured in some way - planking etc?
Otherwise happy to have prepaid.
Bob

Steel deck and you can add rust to taste  :D


Nah - corrosion makes me  :sick:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: GScaleBruce on January 29, 2019, 07:53:11 PM
Has a decision been made on whether the olive green ones will have TOPS era data panels, please?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on January 29, 2019, 10:56:46 PM
Has a decision been made on whether the olive green ones will have TOPS era data panels, please?

If someone can find an olive green example without TOPS panel then we'll consider it but photos are thin on the ground.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on January 30, 2019, 07:28:30 AM
Has a decision been made on whether the olive green ones will have TOPS era data panels, please?

If someone can find an olive green example without TOPS panel then we'll consider it but photos are thin on the ground.

Cheers Mike

You can always put a wipe of olive over a black one - and it will probably look nicely weathered that way too.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Skyline2uk on January 30, 2019, 08:11:29 AM
These look impressive and I am glad I ordered both types now.

I am also happy to be “in on the ground floor” with these, I wonder which of my orders will arrive first and thus be my first Revolution model  :hmmm:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: GScaleBruce on January 30, 2019, 09:37:07 AM
Has a decision been made on whether the olive green ones will have TOPS era data panels, please?

If someone can find an olive green example without TOPS panel then we'll consider it but photos are thin on the ground.

Cheers Mike

I only asked because it was queried back in posts #153/154; I'd certainly like them to be TOPS era and was rather spooked by the idea that they might not be after I'd already ordered a triple pack.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on January 30, 2019, 03:15:52 PM
I only asked because it was queried back in posts #153/154; I'd certainly like them to be TOPS era and was rather spooked by the idea that they might not be after I'd already ordered a triple pack.

As I said in the reply to the posts that you refer to - almost certainly TOPS coded (Olive green isn't necessarily a TOPS era as such), but as I also said on our website the next step is for us to finalise all the livery artwork.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: ohlavache on February 19, 2019, 05:33:57 PM
The pictures of the first samples received look great !
These wagons seem even longer than what I thought. And this triggers some questions since some continental bogie coaches cannot run on my layout.

Will they run over R1 curves ?
What about the space required on each side of the track ?
I also note that the bottom of the wagon is very low. Any risk that it may touch the inner part of Roco (now Fleischmann) switches?

Thanks by advance for your reply.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on February 19, 2019, 11:04:48 PM
They're not as long as Mk3s but the bogies are much more inset than a Mk3. I can't think off the top of my head what impact that will have but our stuff is *generally* designed for minimum R2 curves - that isn't to say that it won't run round tighter but we won't compromise the design to make it.

Sorry no idea about Roco points - if they are overscale then they might touch the bottom. One thing to bear in mind is the wheels on a Sturgeon are tiny so it might not be so low to track as you think.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: woodbury22uk on February 20, 2019, 08:38:31 AM
The shorter bogie centres means that the buffers will stick out more on the outside of curves, but the centre throw of the body on the inside of curves will be less. But if comparing with a Mk3 coach, and continental coaches, they look like they are more tapered below the solebar than a Sturgeon.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on February 23, 2019, 11:13:49 AM
Hello all,

For anyone coming to Model Rail Scotland at the SEC in Glasgow this weekend Revolution Trains has EP1 samples of the forthcoming Sturgeon wagon on our stand B22, toward the middle of the hall about three rows back from the entrance.

Thanks to Steve Farmer for running them on his rather nice Lymebrook Yard layout - and reporting that despite their length they handled the 9" hidden curves with ease.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/94-230219074042-743401577.jpeg)

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Graham on February 23, 2019, 12:34:39 PM
great news,  :claphappy: :claphappy:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on February 23, 2019, 03:26:31 PM
Looking fantastic. What an incredible level of detail, even based on an unpainted EP this must be another potential bar-raiser in my humble opinion. Looking forward to my six, just picturing them behind my sound fitted weathered WD.....mmm...

It would be great if in the fullness of time we see other viable compatible PW vehicles (I know the Catfish has been put forward - fab choice). I appreciate that Dapol do a very nice Grampus, but I suspect no further runs of the Dogfish are on Dapol's radar otherwise it would have happened by now (tooling too long in the tooth?).

Similarly the Farish Sealion - beautuful model but I believe I read that it would be too costly to produce at an acceptable RRP now, which just leaves the DJM Mermaid - another beautiful model but no indications of any more being made? (I have four black ones).


Roy

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on February 23, 2019, 04:41:08 PM
which just leaves the DJM Mermaid - another beautiful model but no indications of any more being made? (I have four black ones).


@Roy L S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=242)
Following the Stafford show I was informed the black and the Dutch liveried Mermaids have not sold in quantities to allow another livery yet. (I have a couple of olive green ones on pre order)
Sorry to interrupt the Sturgeon thread.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 23, 2019, 04:46:15 PM
which just leaves the DJM Mermaid - another beautiful model but no indications of any more being made? (I have four black ones).


@Roy L S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=242)
Following the Stafford show I was informed the black and the Dutch liveried Mermaids have not sold in quantities to allow another livery yet. (I have a couple of olive green ones on pre order)
Sorry to interrupt the Sturgeon thread.

Thank you for this useful interruption. I need to buy at least one DJM black 'Mermaid'. Do Hattons stock them, please?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Thorpe Parva on February 23, 2019, 05:19:12 PM
which just leaves the DJM Mermaid - another beautiful model but no indications of any more being made? (I have four black ones).


@Roy L S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=242)
Following the Stafford show I was informed the black and the Dutch liveried Mermaids have not sold in quantities to allow another livery yet. (I have a couple of olive green ones on pre order)
Sorry to interrupt the Sturgeon thread.

Thank you for this useful interruption. I need to buy at least one DJM black 'Mermaid'. Do Hattons stock them, please?

I bought mine from  Hattons but it looks like they now only have Dutch livery in stock. Wonder why they haven't restocked the more popular black version? DJM have a list of stockists on their website or you could email Dave directly.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 23, 2019, 05:21:56 PM
which just leaves the DJM Mermaid - another beautiful model but no indications of any more being made? (I have four black ones).


@Roy L S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=242)
Following the Stafford show I was informed the black and the Dutch liveried Mermaids have not sold in quantities to allow another livery yet. (I have a couple of olive green ones on pre order)
Sorry to interrupt the Sturgeon thread.

Thank you for this useful interruption. I need to buy at least one DJM black 'Mermaid'. Do Hattons stock them, please?

I bought mine from  Hattons but it looks like they now only have Dutch livery in stock. Wonder why they haven't restocked the more popular black version? DJM have a list of stockists on their website or you could email Dave directly.

Batch production, all black now with dealers or sold and wont be rerun for some time.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on February 23, 2019, 05:44:22 PM

Hello all,

Can I gently suggest that the appropriate location for discussion of other models is in the relevant thread.

Thanks.

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on February 23, 2019, 06:51:47 PM
I

Hello all,

Can I gently suggest that the appropriate location for discussion of other models is in the relevant thread.

Thanks.

Ben A.


Indeed Ben, only raised on this thread in terms of identifying other PW wagons currently available (or not) to run with the Sturgeons, I didn't expect it to take things quite so far off topic!

Regards

Roy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 23, 2019, 06:55:54 PM
I

Hello all,

Can I gently suggest that the appropriate location for discussion of other models is in the relevant thread.

Thanks.

Ben A.

My apologies, Ben et al but thanks to Roy as that was my interest, too, wanting to make up a short PWM train and not knowing much about the subject.


Indeed Ben, only raised on this thread in terms of identifying other PW wagons currently available (or not) to run with the Sturgeons, I didn't expect it to take things quite so far off topic!

Regards

Roy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on April 13, 2019, 10:09:20 PM

Hello all,

Revolution has now received painted samples of its forthcoming Sturgeon models.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/94-130419220824-761841219.jpeg)

For photos and information, and to order before the deadline cut off, see here: http://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/)

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Skyline2uk on April 13, 2019, 10:17:59 PM
Oh boy am I glad I ordered some of these  :claphappy:

They look excellent!

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on April 13, 2019, 10:40:19 PM
Noice !!!

 :D

Can't wait!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on April 13, 2019, 11:28:50 PM
Looking fantastic, like Skyline2uk said, glad I have ordered some!

Roy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Graham on April 13, 2019, 11:48:20 PM
I dithered over ordering some of these, but reaallly glad I did seeing them now. :claphappy: :claphappy: :claphappy:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: crewearpley40 on April 14, 2019, 05:49:32 AM
stunning

congratulations to ben and mike

now what did i do with those off cuts of rails, old sleepers, strips of wood ? make a load for a sturgeoon when i order mine!!!!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: RichardBattersby on April 23, 2019, 08:42:17 AM
Having these in the flesh at York, I've just placed an order :)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on May 19, 2019, 07:41:02 PM
Hello all,

Thanks for the support.

For anyone still interested in getting these models at the lower, pre-order price there are just days remaining before we close the order book and put the models into production.

You can order here: http://www.revolutiontrains.com/product/sturgeon/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/product/sturgeon/)

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: mickd247 on May 20, 2019, 12:19:19 PM
Ben @Ben A (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94)

Slightly confused :dunce:

Project page on your website states order deadline date as 31st May, your message above suggests deadline date of 24th May, which is correct?

 :beers:

Mick
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on May 20, 2019, 04:16:17 PM

Hello all,

My mistake.

Sturgeon deadline day IS May 31st, not May 24th.  So 11 days to go.

I think I must've put the wrong date in my diary.  I have amended my post above!

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on May 20, 2019, 04:17:57 PM

Hello all,

My mistake.

Sturgeon deadline day IS May 31st, not May 24th.  So 11 days to go.

I think I must've put the wrong date in my diary.  I have amended my post above!

cheers

Ben A.

Your just a tease  :D :bounce:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on May 20, 2019, 04:42:08 PM
I once bought a second-hand car of someone with patter like that...

...hopefully this'll end better.

 :D

On a more serious note, I'm getting worried as RevolutioN haven't announced a new model this month!

 :-X
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Muppetman on November 28, 2019, 09:49:42 PM
Any update on these wagons, seen the pictures, can't wait......

Cheers
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on November 28, 2019, 10:39:07 PM
No, the latest info on our website is still correct ;-)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 28, 2019, 11:21:31 PM
Good that means no demands for final payment yet then  :laugh2:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Paddy on November 29, 2019, 08:56:39 AM
Went to this thread thinking that RevolutioN were producing an N gauge model of our favourite Scottish politician.  Was about to ask for a full set of Jezza, Bojo, Nigel etc.

 :D

Sorry, could not resist - election fever.

Paddy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on November 29, 2019, 10:52:38 AM
Good that means no demands for final payment yet then  :laugh2:

Au contraire! They are due to leave the factory very soon...

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on November 29, 2019, 11:10:21 AM
Good that means no demands for final payment yet then  :laugh2:

Au contraire! They are due to leave the factory very soon...

Cheers Mike

 :laughabovepost:

Better get that leg healed sharpish!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: exmouthcraig on November 29, 2019, 12:51:30 PM
Good that means no demands for final payment yet then  :laugh2:

Au contraire! They are due to leave the factory very soon...

Cheers Mike

Is it normal to be VERY HAPPY about a response like that but also VERY SAD that I didn't pay the full amount when I ordered them  :'(

Oh well Santas on his way and Mrs EC did tell me to write her a list of everything I wanted. It might be very simple.....

Log into that account and settle it  :toot: :toot:

I cant wait though, they will be fantastic  :laugh3:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Muppetman on November 30, 2019, 12:43:29 AM


Au contraire! They are due to leave the factory very soon...

Cheers Mike
[/quote]

That's all l needed to know....excellent 🤗🤗🤗
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on November 30, 2019, 01:24:36 PM
Good that means no demands for final payment yet then  :laugh2:

Au contraire! They are due to leave the factory very soon...

Cheers Mike

Cool, good to know Mike!

My six are all paid for so I just need to sit back and wait for them to arrive.....

Roy

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: nabber on December 18, 2019, 06:30:39 PM
Au contraire! They are due to leave the factory very soon...

Cheers Mike
Just had an invoice for mine, so I assume they're getting close!

Neil
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: mk1gtstu on December 19, 2019, 03:41:17 PM
I've had a newsletter from them emailed to me & it says they are in the U.K & awaiting delivery, they will start to post them out after Christmas. Looking forward to receiving mine  :thumbsup:

Cheers, Stu
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on December 19, 2019, 03:49:15 PM
It is true that they are in the UK, though different parts of TNT claim they are in different places! The import side claim that they are awaiting customs clearance and the customer service part of TN claim they are out for delivery!  I'll believe it when they actually arrive!

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: dannyboy on December 19, 2019, 05:59:05 PM
Got my invoice this afternoon just before the newsletter.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on December 19, 2019, 06:01:06 PM
If you haven’t had your invoice yet please don’t worry I’ve got hundreds of orders to go through yet! I’m just trying to get ahead of the game before the wagons arrive so that as many as possible can go straight out.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on December 23, 2019, 10:53:52 AM
My order of Sturgeons has just arrived and they are beautiful.  :thumbsup:  Photos later.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on December 23, 2019, 10:58:48 AM
Good effort by Royal Mail - posted mid-morning Saturday (ie after the last posting date pre-Xmas) after an all night packing session on Friday night to get the first orders out. Hopefully more going in the post tomorrow as long as I don't mix up wrapping presents and packing Sturgeons!

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob Tidbury on December 23, 2019, 11:56:53 AM
Don’t rush to much Mike ,I received a parcel of three Black sturgeons  with no doors today ,but my order was for just one black with doors ,But  I think I know how it happened . I have sent Ben a message and tried to send an Email to you at `Revolution
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: NGS-PO on December 23, 2019, 12:08:11 PM
Good effort by Royal Mail - posted mid-morning Saturday (ie after the last posting date pre-Xmas) after an all night packing session on Friday night to get the first orders out. Hopefully more going in the post tomorrow as long as I don't mix up wrapping presents and packing Sturgeons!

Cheers Mike

That explains my mysterious parcel of socks and boxers today............... ;)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: REGP on December 23, 2019, 12:59:53 PM
Thanks @red_death (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246) death, postman just delivered a nice Christmas pressie, 2 Sturgeons 1 with doors and 1 without any,  just as ordered. They look great!

Ray
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: snitchthebudgie on December 23, 2019, 01:21:07 PM
And mine too.  Thanks, guys, a real Christmas treat!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: mokjumbo on December 23, 2019, 01:46:11 PM
Mine have arrived too,and very nice they are.Thanks to you and have a great Christmas.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on December 23, 2019, 01:52:00 PM
Received mine today too, a really nice surprise as I know I don't have anything model railway related to come on Christmas Day.

They are truly exquisite, I have three black ones with doors and three without and am marvelling at the quality. All those individual handrails on the ones with doors are just so nicely done. The close coupling mechanism is very nicely engineered too, it must have been a challenge given the inboard bogies.

Together they make a really impressive rake and RevolutioN have struck a really good balance between having adequate weight for smooth running and not making the wagons too heavy - one of my Farish Ivatts has no bother at all pushing or pulling all six.

When I have time I will make some Finetrax loads for the door-less ones, but for now I am content just to watch them slowly trundling round my layout.

Great job Ben and Mike and thank you!

Roy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: BR Signalman on December 23, 2019, 02:30:13 PM
Mine have also just arrived. Stunning!! Thank you Mike and Ben, especially for taking the time before Christmas to post them. Now must start on the Salmon and Mermaid kits to complete the P Way line up in the yard. :claphappy: :bounce:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on December 23, 2019, 02:44:08 PM
 ::)

Oh, ah, yeah, the favourite few getting theirs first, never mind...

Oh hang on...

Look what I got today!

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/5604-231219144145.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85363)

Lummy they're long. To my, pleasant, surprise they go round 10" curves without quite touching buffers. I don't know how you fellas do it, but I'm glad you do.

Many thanks for another superb model.

Merry Christmas to you all.

 :beers:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: rusticged on December 23, 2019, 02:56:59 PM
 :claphappy:
Absolutely Fabulous!!
My 6 arrived today as well. They are superb! The detail and fidelity are well up to the usual high standard we have come to expect from Revolution.
Congratulations Ben and Mike and thank you so much for the sterling work in getting them out so quickly.
I hope you both have an amazing Christmas and a really amazing New Year.
Ged.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 23, 2019, 03:14:25 PM
Time to make some loads then ? Ballast, rails, bogies. Credit to tevolution trains and all concerned
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: kesdrive on December 23, 2019, 03:23:15 PM
My four have just arrived too!
They look fantastic. Well done to Mike and Ben, another success.
Merry Christmas.

 :thankyousign:

Chris
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on December 23, 2019, 04:06:03 PM
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 23, 2019, 04:18:58 PM
love that video david, a smooth slow speed and a pleasant urban setting. is this your own layout ? happy Christmas. chris
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on December 23, 2019, 04:35:01 PM
love that video david, a smooth slow speed and a pleasant urban setting. is this your own layout ? happy Christmas. chris

It's Paddington Basin and will be one of the layouts at our show on the 18th April.  I'm just finishing the scenic work and getting the track really clean.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: mk1gtstu on December 23, 2019, 04:36:40 PM
Christmas has come early  :claphappy: My 3 arrived today, I'm very impressed with them, superb detail & quality. Thank you to all at RevolutioN Trains & have a good Christmas!


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/2084-231219163238.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85364)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/2084-231219163327.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85365)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/2084-231219163419.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85366)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/2084-231219163521.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85367)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/2084-231219163614.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85368)


Cheers, Stu
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on December 23, 2019, 04:39:57 PM
love that video david, a smooth slow speed and a pleasant urban setting. is this your own layout ? happy Christmas. chris

The buildings are based on the architecture mix of Paddington with a bit of Old Oak Common and some of the track feature of Wembly area.  Designed to be Steam though to early diesel period.

Hope you have a great Christmas and I have no doubt we will catch up in the New Year (probably at Bobs)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 23, 2019, 04:52:30 PM
Youtoo david. i thought i detected a piece of wembley, royal oak,  westbourne terrace, oldoak. Looking forwaRd to seeing Paddington BaSin david and those sturgeons. And meeting at bobs. Realistic for all periods arou nd the 65 to 85 era
.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Mark on December 23, 2019, 08:00:20 PM
What a pleasant pre-Christmas treat!  As others have said - these are exquisite models - superb detailing as we've come to expect.  I particularly like the very close coupling that somehow manages to easily negotiate its way through my occasionally very tight radius and less than perfect track. 

Mike & Ben - thanks so much for these, they're really splendid.  Having seen the photos that @mk1gtstu (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2084) posted - I wouldn't mind one in black without dropdown doors to go with my three with doors - if you find you have any left over please let me know.

Lastly - @Snowwolflair (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3761) - I really like your Paddington Basin layout - it totally captures the feel of the area.

Happy Christmas to all,

Mark
         
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on December 23, 2019, 09:10:28 PM
My 3 arrived today, I'm very impressed with them, superb detail & quality.

Yet I have an uneasy feeling they won't stay so clean for long :uneasy: ;)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: mk1gtstu on December 23, 2019, 09:17:47 PM
My 3 arrived today, I'm very impressed with them, superb detail & quality.

Yet I have an uneasy feeling they won't stay so clean for long :uneasy: ;)

Whatever gave you that idea?  :D :P :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 23, 2019, 10:12:58 PM
@Ben A (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94) @red_death (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246) evening Ben and Mike, no drama I'm sure but having never ordered anything through you before I thought I'd double check.

I have 2 triple packs on order and still have the balance to pay, I keep checking into my account and emails but as yet dont (think) I have an invoice to pay, I didn't know if I could settle without the invoice or if I'm just getting paranoid now lots of orders are going out.

I'm sure the website will answer my FAQ but nice to get reassuring answers from the bosses.

They look truly magnificent and I'm so glad I finally have 16ft of mainline to run them on when they arrive  :claphappy:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Hailstone on December 23, 2019, 10:18:23 PM
Don’t rush to much Mike ,I received a parcel of three Black sturgeons  with no doors today ,but my order was for just one black with doors ,But  I think I know how it happened . I have sent Ben a message and tried to send an Email to you at `Revolution
Bob Tidbury

they are actually mine, bob has confirmed that they have doors and that the order number is mine. somehow the delivery address has changed to Bob's as I ordered a 66XX for him on my account (that order and my 66xx order have the correct addresses so far) never mind, I will pick them up in the new year

Regards,

Alex

 
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: 37058 on December 23, 2019, 10:21:13 PM
These are looking sweet 8)

Really looking forward to receiving mine. Sadly I only only ordered 1, but I reckon I will grab another 1 or 2, because once they're gone, they're gone.

Cheers
Anthony 
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on December 23, 2019, 10:23:10 PM
My 3 arrived today, I'm very impressed with them, superb detail & quality.

Yet I have an uneasy feeling they won't stay so clean for long :uneasy: ;)

Whatever gave you that idea?  :D :P :laughabovepost:

To paraphrase the Strolling Gnomes "I see a white wheel and I wanted it painted rust"

@exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099)
My guess is priority was given to those paid for in full and those like me who paid 50% will have to wait (quite rightly) for an invoice for the balance before ours are despatched.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on December 24, 2019, 02:22:01 AM
As Mick says, I'm going through the orders in order of date placed.  Any that are paid in full go straight into the list for picking and packing, any that have a balance to pay get the balance invoice(s) generated.  With a few hundred orders to process this will still take some time!

Cheers

Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Graham on December 24, 2019, 05:15:24 AM
as always you guys are doing a fantastic job, looking forward to getting mine down under.

hope the team at Revolution have a proper Christmas and a break from mailing out for a couple of days.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 24, 2019, 05:39:05 AM
Good effort by Royal Mail - posted mid-morning Saturday (ie after the last posting date pre-Xmas) after an all night packing session on Friday night to get the first orders out. Hopefully more going in the post tomorrow as long as I don't mix up wrapping presents and packing Sturgeons!

Cheers Mike

Wonderful thank you Mike and Ben, I look forward to getting them in the New year and wish you both and revolutioN a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Richard G Dallimore on December 24, 2019, 08:53:10 AM
Not impressed with the system, I have received 4 invoices to cover 2 initial orders. No combining of orders to reduce postage as I believed would happen. 3 invoices cover 1 order where I ordered individual wagons, so each wagon gets a separate invoice. This means I need to spend time making 4 payments instead of 1. Good to see another project come to fruition, well done.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on December 24, 2019, 11:03:54 AM
Alas my black triple pack didnt get here before Christmas, so I will have to be patient.
And I guess it will be 56xx and CEMFLOs next...
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: marco neri on December 24, 2019, 12:02:44 PM
Hi,
Mine 6  arrived in Continent today..
Superb  model and very very nice detailed.
Many thanks and Merry Christmas (Buon Natale).

Marco
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on December 24, 2019, 02:52:20 PM
Alas my black triple pack didnt get here before Christmas, so I will have to be patient.
And I guess it will be 56xx and CEMFLOs next...

Ditto.....................and then the 128s :D
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on December 24, 2019, 06:03:39 PM
Not impressed with the system, I have received 4 invoices to cover 2 initial orders. No combining of orders to reduce postage as I believed would happen. 3 invoices cover 1 order where I ordered individual wagons, so each wagon gets a separate invoice. This means I need to spend time making 4 payments instead of 1. Good to see another project come to fruition, well done.

Richard

We have explained this several times previously - it is either the system we have or no deposit system (which would be much easier and much less work for us as I have to trigger every one of those balance invoices manually and then check everything is paid correctly).

Similarly as we have explained previously and in the FAQs on our website - we will refund any P&P from combining orders after we have sent it out.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: talisman56 on December 28, 2019, 12:51:45 PM
My Sturgeons arrived today, very nice, very nice indeed.

Just about to raid the scrap track box for some suitable lengths to load the doorless versions with... :)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob Tidbury on December 28, 2019, 01:32:11 PM
My one hasn’t arrived yet but I’m very tempted to open Hailstones three that came to me by mistake ,Val has taken them and hidden them as she says I will have to wait untill my own one arrives .She said if I dare to open them that would mean Hailstone ends up with secondhand wagons .I do admit to looking at them IN THE BOXES and they do look very good .
There is no hurry though as I have had a really bad cold over a Christmas and I’m still not fit enough to risk going down the shed .
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on December 28, 2019, 02:24:19 PM
A question please, oh knowledgeable Chaps/Chapesses,
I can't imagine those side doors/ends interiors would retain that nice brown shade for long so should I maybe  add some black/rust to portray much use?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: robert shrives on December 28, 2019, 02:25:41 PM
Hi
Wagons do look good and for loads I have used the code 40 track from Wayne - FineNtrak  often flashing on the header add on the forum makes up really well and 200% better than a bit of code 55/80 as a load.
Robert
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 28, 2019, 02:51:12 PM
Mick re weathering maybe worth looking into lifecolor products
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 28, 2019, 03:08:54 PM
@robert shrives (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2605) I have no idea when my sturgeons will arrive but ordered my Finetrax from Mr Kinney so I can build them straight away so wagons will be loaded  :claphappy:

As for what goes in the ones with doors I have no idea  :dunce:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: crewearpley40 on December 28, 2019, 03:14:13 PM
A good write up can be found if google sturgeon wagons  ltsv.com. the drop door wagons were used for rails bulkheads and sleepers to be lowered
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: bluedepot on December 30, 2019, 11:25:10 AM
well done revolution on these wagons they look great

i wish i had ordered more!

tim
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: bluedepot on December 30, 2019, 06:10:20 PM
one of the coupling centering springs has become detached? anyone know how to fix it?

anyway here are my 2 sturgeon wagons being delivered to their new home... 

https://youtu.be/s50Qmwocn4M


Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: exmouthcraig on December 30, 2019, 06:15:17 PM
Wow!!!! Their BIG!!!!

Cant wait for mine to arrive.

 Waiting on my code 40 to build the loads!!!!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: class37025 on December 30, 2019, 07:02:46 PM
one of the coupling centering springs has become detached? anyone know how to fix it?

anyway here are my 2 sturgeon wagons being delivered to their new home... 

https://youtu.be/s50Qmwocn4M

drat  :-[

was expecting to see a yokel driver chucking them on the roof / into a wheelie bin  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: bluedepot on December 30, 2019, 07:48:23 PM
i'll film the courier van arriving next time!

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on January 06, 2020, 02:36:09 PM
I know you chaps are busy boys but any clue when invoices for balances will be issued please?
 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: 1936ace on January 07, 2020, 12:08:25 AM
just wondering when those who paid in full will receive their sturgeon wagons.

Im still waiting for my KFA wagons that i paid in full to arrive
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Graham on January 07, 2020, 05:25:21 AM
hi @1936ace (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=908), mine arrived just before Christmas, they were on order 3799. I read somewhere that the last KFA's were posted last week, so given Australia Post delays i would expect to see them some time next week.
cheers
Graham
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on January 07, 2020, 11:58:45 AM
Folks

If you are wanting to know how we are progressing with sending out orders please, please read our website - there is a summary of progress on the Projects page for each project. We haven't run a check yet on orders but pretty much all the KFAs have gone out.  Sturgeons - we've invoiced about 50% of the balance invoices and sent out about 20% of the orders.

Despite numerous requests asking people not to do this we still get a lot of emails asking for individual updates - please don't as it just slows down the process for everyone.  Conversely if your order has been marked as "Complete" that means it has been despatched - please let us know if you haven't received it after 7 days (obviously longer if you live out of the UK).

We do it as quickly as possible but there are just two of us doing this in our spare time and processing hundreds of orders takes time.

Thanks Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on January 08, 2020, 04:13:42 PM
All the balance invoices should have been generated now, so if you are expecting a balance invoice(s) then please either check your email or failing that you should find it in your account on our website.

If you are expecting to pay a balance and you don't have an invoice on our website then please get in touch with me.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Skyline2uk on January 09, 2020, 11:10:16 AM
Ohhh

Just got a message from Mrs Skyline (not angry, she was warned lol) that a parcel has arrived.

I am now looking forward to going home  :D

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 09, 2020, 11:18:44 AM
Ohhh

Just got a message from Mrs Skyline (not angry, she was warned lol) that a parcel has arrived.

I am now looking forward to going home  :D

Skyline2uk

so the conversation was along the lines of

"You can come home now I have got something for you"   :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Skyline2uk on January 09, 2020, 11:30:43 AM
Ohhh

Just got a message from Mrs Skyline (not angry, she was warned lol) that a parcel has arrived.

I am now looking forward to going home  :D

Skyline2uk

so the conversation was along the lines of

"You can come home now I have got something for you"   :smiley-laughing:

I don’t know what you mean  >:D

Nah, it actually went along the lines of “that parcel you mentioned is here, I keep forgetting how small your trains are....”

Now I think that’s a chance to order MORE stock....

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob Tidbury on January 09, 2020, 01:15:51 PM
You lot are lucky my sturgeon still hasn’t arrived ,but I’m in no hurry as yesterday afternoon was the first time I had been down the shed since before Christmas as I’ve had a seriously bad cold .
Hailstone came over and we ran some of his stock and then went over to The Berkshire N  Gauge Groups running session which was very well attended ,we didn’t have a large layout but it was still nice to see other people’s stock running .Thank you to Hailstone for a nice afternoon and evening .
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on January 09, 2020, 03:00:46 PM
You lot are lucky my sturgeon still hasn’t arrived

Luck has nothing to do with it - I am sending out orders in the order that we received them (assuming they were fully paid)!

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob Tidbury on January 09, 2020, 03:13:14 PM
Don’t worry Mike I wasn’t complaining just joking ,.
.As I said I havent been down the shed since a week before Christmas ,I’m in no hurry whatsoever as I will be over at Rays on Friday and Stevenage over the weekend ,I’ve all ready seen the models running last night at the club  and Very nice they looked to and they ran without any problems .
I do  realise just how much work is involved in organising and shipping out the amount of models you do .Please don’t think I was having a go at you both .
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Skyline2uk on January 09, 2020, 06:08:04 PM
So my little shoal has arrived, as I have come to expect, these are lovely wagons of obvious quality.

I haven’t had a chance to run them yet, and probably won’t till Monday, but most impressed so far.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/1081-090120180602.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85913)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/1081-090120180643.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85914)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/1081-090120180719.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85915)

Viva Revolution!

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: dannyboy on January 09, 2020, 06:48:33 PM
My order is still showing as 'Processing' even though the final payment was made a few, (3?), weeks ago. I am in no way complaining though, just thought I would mention it for the benefit of others who are still waiting.  :)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on January 10, 2020, 09:54:39 AM
My order is still showing as 'Processing' even though the final payment was made a few, (3?), weeks ago. I am in no way complaining though, just thought I would mention it for the benefit of others who are still waiting.  :)
Get to the back of the queue, Dannyboy!
Mine was paid in full on 26/11/18 and I am still in processing. That's nearly 14 months.
Not complaining :). Just thinking we need to give Mike a break.
Bob
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: DCCDave on January 10, 2020, 10:36:31 AM
I bought Sturgeons with doors upright. Will a Fintreax 'panel' fit inside the wagons. I don't have any finetrax panels I can test with. Does anyone have the means to test this?

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: PaulCheffus on January 10, 2020, 10:55:01 AM
I bought Sturgeons with doors upright. Will a Fintreax 'panel' fit inside the wagons. I don't have any finetrax panels I can test with. Does anyone have the means to test this?

Cheers
Dave

Hi

Taking the standard sleeper length of 8’6” that would be 17.51mm wide. The inside of the wagon is 12.70mm. Easitrac is 17.00mm wide so I’m guessing Finetrax won’t fit.

I’m not sure but wouldn’t track panels be carried on the flat sturgeons rather than the ones with sides?

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: 37058 on January 10, 2020, 11:17:41 AM
They are looking absolutely stunning! I have a single Tench coming in Dutch, but really wish I ordered a couple now...

Hopefully they will be available from the usual outlets once all pre orders have been sent out @red_death (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246) ?

Cheers
Anthony 
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Steven B on January 10, 2020, 11:34:57 AM
My set of four arrived this morning having been ordered on 13/11/2018.

Now to find a suitable load...

Kernow (http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/b/210/Revolution-Trains) have them listed but not yet in stock.

Steven B.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: DCCDave on January 10, 2020, 12:01:36 PM
Hi

Taking the standard sleeper length of 8’6” that would be 17.51mm wide. The inside of the wagon is 12.70mm. Easitrac is 17.00mm wide so I’m guessing Finetrax won’t fit.

I’m not sure but wouldn’t track panels be carried on the flat sturgeons rather than the ones with sides?

Cheers

Paul

Thanks for that Paul, as I suspected.

A user on RMWeb sugegsted that the Sturgeons were used to transport track panels with the doors up, which I doubt and you have confirmed.

I didn't think this through properly before I bought my Sturgeons so all mine are the doors up variant.

I guess that means I'll be modelling a train returning from a job, where I assume the old panels might have been broken up into rails and sleepers which will fit into the dootr up Sturgeons fine. I understand that sometimes they were used to transportr old ballast and spoil too when a job site was cleared after completion.

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: 37058 on January 10, 2020, 12:38:15 PM
My set of four arrived this morning having been ordered on 13/11/2018.

Now to find a suitable load...

Kernow ([url]http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/b/210/Revolution-Trains[/url]) have them listed but not yet in stock.

Steven B.


Ooohhh I'm itching now. 24-11-18 for me :bounce:

Shouldn't be long now.

Cheers
Anthony
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on January 10, 2020, 01:24:29 PM
Hello all,

My understanding is that all Sturgeons were delivered with demountable doors.  Some had 4 each side, but the vast majority seven as depicted by our model.

The doors were removable to allow the full width of the deck to be utilised, and were *supposed* to be stowed in the frames beneath the wagon if not in use; however it seems that railway workers were more than happy to leave them at the trackside, or throw them in another wagon, meaning that many Sturgeons were very rapidly left doorless.

Unfortunately, as most photos are taken at rail level, seeing what's "inside" a Sturgeon with doors can be tricky.  I have seen images showing lengths of rail, bits of cable troughing, old sleepers placed lengthways, obsolete speed signs and other track detritus.

This photo shows a Sturgeon with doors carrying lengths of rail; there is a similar photo on the Revolution website showing an EWS 37 with a Dutch liveried Sturgeon carrying a similar load:

https://flic.kr/p/dQvirj

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: crewearpley40 on January 10, 2020, 01:35:23 PM
There is  decent shot mick. Black 5. Immediately behind her is a sturgeon with what looks like rails on board
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: cutting42 on January 10, 2020, 02:06:03 PM
My three have arrived today ordered 15/11/18
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: ScottishModeller on January 10, 2020, 03:48:23 PM
I bought Sturgeons with doors upright. Will a Fintreax 'panel' fit inside the wagons. I don't have any finetrax panels I can test with. Does anyone have the means to test this?

Cheers
Dave
Hi Dave,

Finetrax panels will not fit between the wagon sides.

Not that they should though as the wagons were not meant to be loaded in that way.

Most of the Sturgeon with sides I have seen carried sleepers along the wagon length, not across.

If you want track panels on a Sturgeon you need to take the sides off and they are usually classed as Tench.

Thanks
Phil H

ps - Check Paul Bartlett photo collection to see more.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on January 10, 2020, 05:16:27 PM
The Tench designation was used for a variety of things, but the most common was the air brake conversions most of which kept their doors.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 10, 2020, 05:36:40 PM
Well my order of Finetracks code 40 arrived today!!!!

Sturgeons balance was paid on weds so I've still got afew days to get these panels built before they arrive

So......I'm sure Ben and Mike are bored of questions about these by now, I do wonder if Mr Kinney has seen a spike in track purchases since revolutioN announced these wagons  :hmmm:

Well my question, I'm busy making these panels up, I need to make them in lots of 6 to stack on my doorless triples so.........

How long are these panels so that they fit on the sturgeons????

Many thanks
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on January 10, 2020, 05:37:46 PM
PS Paul Bartlett's excellent site has some useful photos for weird and wonderful loads: https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 10, 2020, 05:43:03 PM
I made these 3D cranes for Salmons and they were also used on Sturgeons

https://www.shapeways.com/product/38YVCA6W9/crane-for-salmon-track-carrying-wagons-in-n-gauge?optionId=65034401&li=shops (https://www.shapeways.com/product/38YVCA6W9/crane-for-salmon-track-carrying-wagons-in-n-gauge?optionId=65034401&li=shops)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/3761-100120174225.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85952)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: NGS-PO on January 10, 2020, 06:04:44 PM
Well my order of Finetracks code 40 arrived today!!!!

Sturgeons balance was paid on weds so I've still got afew days to get these panels built before they arrive

So......I'm sure Ben and Mike are bored of questions about these by now, I do wonder if Mr Kinney has seen a spike in track purchases since revolutioN announced these wagons  :hmmm:

Well my question, I'm busy making these panels up, I need to make them in lots of 6 to stack on my doorless triples so.........

How long are these panels so that they fit on the sturgeons????

Many thanks

Track panels would have been 60ft in our timescale.

Best

Scott.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 10, 2020, 06:08:16 PM
Thanks Scott  :beers:

Almost like they knew this and made the jigs 120mm long!!!

Wonderful, Ive made more then I thought then  :claphappy:

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on January 11, 2020, 08:11:37 AM
Hello all you Sturgeon owners out there.
This is a thought at the moment. I'm not sure what I want to achieve yet, but...

I have a triple pack in black with doors coming.
In hindsight I'd like one (or two) wagons to be door-less in black (or one possibly gulf red) so I can model a FiNetrax wagon load.
If anyone has ordered too many door-less black wagons and wants one with doors I would consider a direct swap of one BNIB wagon for another.
That's a good deal considering the price they will be in the shops, if you want one with doors.

Please PM me with your thoughts. No commitment at this time - no wagons at this time :)
I live near Melton Mowbray if you live locally, want to avoid postage, and have too many door-less ones...or can make me a wagon load of FiNetrax track panels (@ExmouthCraig)

Bob
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on January 11, 2020, 09:07:58 AM
I made these 3D cranes for Salmons and they were also used on Sturgeons

https://www.shapeways.com/product/38YVCA6W9/crane-for-salmon-track-carrying-wagons-in-n-gauge?optionId=65034401&li=shops (https://www.shapeways.com/product/38YVCA6W9/crane-for-salmon-track-carrying-wagons-in-n-gauge?optionId=65034401&li=shops)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/3761-100120174225.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85952)

Do you know which period these cranes were used? Were they used in the black period, for example?
Bob
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 11, 2020, 09:58:40 AM
I made these 3D cranes for Salmons and they were also used on Sturgeons

https://www.shapeways.com/product/38YVCA6W9/crane-for-salmon-track-carrying-wagons-in-n-gauge?optionId=65034401&li=shops (https://www.shapeways.com/product/38YVCA6W9/crane-for-salmon-track-carrying-wagons-in-n-gauge?optionId=65034401&li=shops)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/3761-100120174225.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85952)

Do you know which period these cranes were used? Were they used in the black period, for example?
Bob

From the photos I have seen these ones late Dutch onward.  These were the first type used, a later version had the generator mounted on one of the cranes.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on January 11, 2020, 10:27:37 AM
As I think more and more about these I realise I'd like one in BR black with NO doors. I have three in BR black WITH doors. I wonder if anyone would be interested in a straight swap, one with doors for one without doors?

[Mods: If this is something I should put elsewhere, please advise]
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: dannyboy on January 13, 2020, 01:06:13 PM
My order is still showing as 'Processing' even though the final payment was made a few, (3?), weeks ago. I am in no way complaining though, just thought I would mention it for the benefit of others who are still waiting.  :)

Just for the information of any one still waiting - my Sturgeon has just arrived.  :claphappy:. Typical 'Revolution' - it looks excellent. Thanks to all involved in bringing this model to fruition.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on January 16, 2020, 06:45:04 PM
Hello all you Sturgeon owners out there.
This is a thought at the moment. I'm not sure what I want to achieve yet, but...

I have a triple pack in black with doors coming.
In hindsight I'd like one (or two) wagons to be door-less in black (or one possibly gulf red) so I can model a FiNetrax wagon load.
If anyone has ordered too many door-less black wagons and wants one with doors I would consider a direct swap of one BNIB wagon for another.
That's a good deal considering the price they will be in the shops, if you want one with doors.

Please PM me with your thoughts. No commitment at this time - no wagons at this time :)
I live near Melton Mowbray if you live locally, want to avoid postage, and have too many door-less ones...or can make me a wagon load of FiNetrax track panels (@ExmouthCraig)

Bob

My triple pack has arrived, and they are absolutely fabulous. But I'd like to do the stacked FiNetrax load on one of them, so if anyone doesn't want their Sturgeon without doors, or wants to swap for one with doors, still happy to help.
Bob
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on January 16, 2020, 07:16:54 PM
Hello all you Sturgeon owners out there.
This is a thought at the moment. I'm not sure what I want to achieve yet, but...

I have a triple pack in black with doors coming.
In hindsight I'd like one (or two) wagons to be door-less in black (or one possibly gulf red) so I can model a FiNetrax wagon load.
If anyone has ordered too many door-less black wagons and wants one with doors I would consider a direct swap of one BNIB wagon for another.
That's a good deal considering the price they will be in the shops, if you want one with doors.

Please PM me with your thoughts. No commitment at this time - no wagons at this time :)
I live near Melton Mowbray if you live locally, want to avoid postage, and have too many door-less ones...or can make me a wagon load of FiNetrax track panels (@ExmouthCraig)

Bob

My triple pack has arrived, and they are absolutely fabulous. But I'd like to do the stacked FiNetrax load on one of them, so if anyone doesn't want their Sturgeon without doors, or wants to swap for one with doors, still happy to help.
Bob

Join the queue!

I've already listed a swap like that in the N'porium.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on January 16, 2020, 07:44:01 PM
I am glad I decided to buy three of each now!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 16, 2020, 07:53:22 PM
I think revolutioN could sell 3 times the amount of doorless compared to doored.

I too am glad I bought both types, is this one of the rare items that the lesser model turns out to be the best one????
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on January 16, 2020, 08:18:47 PM
It was a financial decision to only get the three pack I'm afraid.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on January 16, 2020, 10:11:21 PM
Hello all you Sturgeon owners out there.
This is a thought at the moment. I'm not sure what I want to achieve yet, but...

I have a triple pack in black with doors coming.
In hindsight I'd like one (or two) wagons to be door-less in black (or one possibly gulf red) so I can model a FiNetrax wagon load.
If anyone has ordered too many door-less black wagons and wants one with doors I would consider a direct swap of one BNIB wagon for another.
That's a good deal considering the price they will be in the shops, if you want one with doors.

Please PM me with your thoughts. No commitment at this time - no wagons at this time :)
I live near Melton Mowbray if you live locally, want to avoid postage, and have too many door-less ones...or can make me a wagon load of FiNetrax track panels (@ExmouthCraig)

Bob

My triple pack has arrived, and they are absolutely fabulous. But I'd like to do the stacked FiNetrax load on one of them, so if anyone doesn't want their Sturgeon without doors, or wants to swap for one with doors, still happy to help.
Bob

Join the queue!

I've already listed a swap like that in the N'porium.

Actually I asked first, on this thread, by a couple of hours, but I'm not going to fight over it.
Bob
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on January 16, 2020, 10:13:39 PM
Wasn't aware we were fighting over it my friend.

'Twas merely a comment.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on January 16, 2020, 10:15:45 PM
Wasn't aware we were fighting over it my friend.

'Twas merely a comment.
:thumbsup: But I want one :)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: dannyboy on January 16, 2020, 10:18:17 PM
If you both hang on a couple of weeks, they will be on eBay, marked as 'rare'.  :D
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 16, 2020, 10:21:09 PM
Wasn't aware we were fighting over it my friend.

'Twas merely a comment.
:thumbsup: But I want one :)

A fight or a doorless sturgeon  ;D
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: 1936ace on January 17, 2020, 04:03:14 AM
 Super happy
Just got an email to say sturgeon wagons are on their way
Have had no email to say my container flats are coming yet though
Bart
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on January 17, 2020, 07:34:42 AM
If you both hang on a couple of weeks, they will be on eBay, marked as 'rare'.  :D

I'm locking mine away for investment purposes :)
I'm sure we will come to an amicable arrangement of me getting mine first (tongue in cheek in case the emoji is not enough!)   :angel:  :heart2:  :drool:  :hmmm:  ;)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: PaulCheffus on January 17, 2020, 09:35:53 AM
Hi

Have either of you contacted C&M models as they are listing them for order
http://cmmodels.7.ekm.shop/sturgeon-departmental-bogie-wagons-387-c.asp (http://cmmodels.7.ekm.shop/sturgeon-departmental-bogie-wagons-387-c.asp)

No connection other than as a satisfied customer in the past.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Calnefoxile on January 17, 2020, 09:50:03 AM

My 6 are still showing as 'Processing'  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Cheers

Neal
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on January 17, 2020, 11:08:47 AM
Hi

Have either of you contacted C&M models as they are listing them for order
[url]http://cmmodels.7.ekm.shop/sturgeon-departmental-bogie-wagons-387-c.asp[/url] ([url]http://cmmodels.7.ekm.shop/sturgeon-departmental-bogie-wagons-387-c.asp[/url])

No connection other than as a satisfied customer in the past.

Cheers

Paul


Thanks Paul
I guess we both dont want to pay retail prices but pre-order prices.
Lovely as they are I didnt know the door versions were just as frequently used without doors in the black era as in later eras. I simply assumed that in the black era they would have kept all their doors, and I didnt think how I would use them...and I just didnt think basically. Plus I liked the look of wagons with their doors. How was I to know I couldn't plonk rails on them...
Might just stop worrying about them and enjoy them.
Best
Bob
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob Tidbury on January 18, 2020, 11:34:47 AM
My Sturgeon arrived today  :thankyousign: to Mike and Ben  it will look good running with my weathered Dogfish ,I will take to the Berkshire Area N Gauge Group running session this afternoon .I wish I could have ordered a triple pack but just couldn’t afford to .
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Thorpe Parva on January 18, 2020, 02:12:19 PM
My 4 arrived today also. 3 Black with doors & 1 Red without. Look fantastic & superbly free running. Many thanks.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: kirky on January 18, 2020, 07:40:46 PM
Ive had a confirmation email to say my order is complete - but not had a parcel yet. Should I be concerned?

Cheers
Kirky
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ollie3440 on January 18, 2020, 08:28:18 PM
Ive had a confirmation email to say my order is complete - but not had a parcel yet. Should I be concerned?

Cheers
Kirky

I had my confirmation email on the 15th, wagon arrived this morning. So 3 days later.

What a lovely model this is! Only got mine out the box for a quick picture but seems to be a very smooth runner, not one for sharper corners mind!
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/4-180120202756.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86338)

Cheers

Ollie

 :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on January 20, 2020, 01:22:05 PM
And another “me too” on the arrival and extremely pleased front :thumbsup:

First rate product and completely straight despite the length :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 24, 2020, 05:47:18 PM
Any news on outstanding orders?????

And before anyone jumps in, I know both Ben and Mike are very busy people and do have day jobs so I'm not expecting miracles, it's just a throw out question to see if other members have been receiving theirs .

My order is still show as processing but hopefully coming soon :uneasy:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Shropshire Lad on January 24, 2020, 06:59:35 PM
My packs arrived yesterday 😁
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: jpendle on January 24, 2020, 08:26:50 PM
Any news on outstanding orders?????

And before anyone jumps in, I know both Ben and Mike are very busy people and do have day jobs so I'm not expecting miracles, it's just a throw out question to see if other members have been receiving theirs .

My order is still show as processing but hopefully coming soon :uneasy:

Actually my personal opinion is that rather than bug Ben & Mike, or Arran at Realtrack (PCA's) it is a good idea to ask a generic delivery question on the forum.

I just found out on the KFA thread that others have not received their KFA's so now I don't need to email Revolution.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 24, 2020, 08:42:41 PM
That's why I've not tagged Ben and Mike in this and asked the question on the revolutioN sturgeon page to see what other people are saying.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Spanners70 on January 24, 2020, 09:06:04 PM
Not got mine yet either, I usually get my hopes up Tuesday Wednesday assuming they pack them at the weekend, if nothing on wed I sit back and wait for the next week. My postal inspector (wife) is away next week till Thursday so I’m really hoping they get shipped this weekend for less questions....
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: sg on January 24, 2020, 10:06:58 PM
Still excitedly waiting for mine too. 
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Fardap on January 24, 2020, 10:51:14 PM
For the lucky recipients so far can they confirm that they get an email prior to them arriving saying they shipped?

Waiting patiently and looking forward to when they arrive.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Pete @ EGLM on January 25, 2020, 12:08:16 AM
If you check your RevolutioN account page, it will say “completed” when your order is on its way.  Mine completed last Thursday (16th) and was delivered to work (they don’t have post at the weekend) and delivered last Monday. Excellent service in my eyes.
As an aside I ordered some Realtrack PCAS from Arran Aird and asked them to be sent Special Delivery. Arran said he would let me know the cost and send them.  They arrived the following day! I sent him the money after they arrived, more excellent service.

Pete @ EGLM
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Spanners70 on January 25, 2020, 11:16:23 AM
Not always the case my two orders for KFA arrived couple of weeks back but still show processing. Not a dig at Ben and mike as I know there very busy I’m just glad they run this business and get such amazing models to us and fast from idea to deliver, but more just saying it’s more a case of sit and wait for the surprise to arrive !
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ollie3440 on January 25, 2020, 10:23:40 PM
For the lucky recipients so far can they confirm that they get an email prior to them arriving saying they shipped?

Waiting patiently and looking forward to when they arrive.

I certainly received an email letting me know mine had been dispatched. Arrived a few days later.

Cheers

Ollie

 :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 29, 2020, 07:44:17 AM
 :claphappy: GOOD NEWS   :claphappy:

I recieved my confirmation email this morning to say that my order was completed, this means dispatched and onits way!!!!!  :D

By the weekend I will have a rake of these beauty's ready for the layout!!!!

Very very excited!!!!!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Graham on January 29, 2020, 07:58:56 AM
just received mine down under, great service as always @Ben A (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94) @red_death (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246)

they look good, will give them a run this evening just to check of course.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Fardap on January 29, 2020, 03:05:47 PM
The email arrived with the words... We have finished processing your order  :bounce:

Cannot wait!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on January 29, 2020, 03:18:30 PM
I'm about 2/3 of the way through sending out the orders - the real limiting factor is my ability to carry orders to the PO each day (plus time to do that)!

There's still about 30 orders awaiting balance payments - if you've not paid your balance yet we'd be grateful if you could settle it quickly so that I can post your order out (that will also help ease marital tensions about all the "damn" boxes!).

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on January 29, 2020, 03:21:13 PM
My balance was paid just before Christmas if that helps you shift another box :) ;)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 30, 2020, 06:56:10 PM
Well my sturgeons arrived today!!!!!! @Ben A (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94) @red_death (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246) you should surely win some award for these!!!!! Thank you very much!!!!!

What truly phenomenal wagons they are!!!!!!

Like everyone else extremely happy with them and loaded with 6 panels of code 40 they look magnificent!!!!

The rake of doorless is currently posed behind on of my exquisite Z class locos!!! (Even though the photo only shows 1)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/5099-020220180513.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87051)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: mickster04 on January 30, 2020, 08:00:59 PM
My Sturgeons arrived in NZ yesterday! They look great :D such tiny wheels!!!
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/3841-300120195912.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86825)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/3841-300120200008.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86826)

I have one yellow and the three pack of the black. Now to use some of my old track :D
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: GScaleBruce on February 02, 2020, 12:36:42 PM
Just wondered whether anyone else was having difficulty keeping these coupled together? Mine just drift apart - especially from each other but also from other vehicles - on curves. Mainly on Peco R2 curves, but also going in the curving direction over Peco Code 55 medium radius points.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Skyline2uk on February 02, 2020, 01:08:00 PM
Just wondered whether anyone else was having difficulty keeping these coupled together? Mine just drift apart - especially from each other but also from other vehicles - on curves. Mainly on Peco R2 curves, but also going in the curving direction over Peco Code 55 medium radius points.

This happens occasionally with my three on Kato “outer” (from the M1 set).

Seems to be a function of the long length, distance from bogies and a short “hook” on the n gauge couplings. I haven’t had the chance to test dapol “knuckle” couplings (magnetic or otherwise).

Some tacky-wax would help I think.

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Rabbitaway on February 02, 2020, 04:46:23 PM
Hi All

I received my triple pack of Sturgeon wagons about two weeks ago, very nice wagons that run well. The only issue is some minor damage on two of the wagons. One had one of the brake wheels crushed, I carefully levered this back into shape and glued the cracks on the outer edge. The other has a ding in the wagon bed which is not easily sorted. I am still in two minds if this is worth sending back to Ben and Mike for a replacement.

Minor issues therefore I am generally pleased with the wagons

 :hmmm:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: GScaleBruce on February 02, 2020, 05:52:15 PM
Just wondered whether anyone else was having difficulty keeping these coupled together? Mine just drift apart - especially from each other but also from other vehicles - on curves. Mainly on Peco R2 curves, but also going in the curving direction over Peco Code 55 medium radius points.

This happens occasionally with my three on Kato “outer” (from the M1 set).

Seems to be a function of the long length, distance from bogies and a short “hook” on the n gauge couplings. I haven’t had the chance to test dapol “knuckle” couplings (magnetic or otherwise).

Some tacky-wax would help I think.

Skyline2uk

I'd certainly agree with the diagnosis there. The couplers have quite long shanks, so as far as I can see can't be swapped out with standard couplers of another make (I've not tried Dapol "knuckle" couplers, only standard NEM "Rapido" style ones). Not sure about tacky wax because the couplers need to be able to move, but I'd certainly be interested in your (and other people's) experiences.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Steven B on February 03, 2020, 09:57:24 AM
I noticed when running my four wagons that the close coupling mechanism wasn't following the curves as others do. There appears to be quite a lot of slack in the actual coupling itself - most of the required motion was coming from the actual coupling head.

I'm going to see if sticking a thin shim of plasticard to the coupling to take up some of the slack makes any difference.

Steven B.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 03, 2020, 10:56:22 AM
I have found it is all to do with the track. 

They do not like uneven track or lumps and bumps at joins. 

On smooth curves and straight they are fine.   

On my KATO track they are fine as by default it tends to be flatter.

For general running I plan to put a lite smear of Evo-Stick inside the flats of the Rapido couplers.  When it is dry it is rubbery and stops couplings slipping out as track height changes.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Fardap on February 03, 2020, 10:56:38 AM
Opened my triple pack at the desk today and aren't they fantastic (Departmental with doors), I hadn't seen anything about the drop down/interchangeable end doors so that was a pleasant surprise.

Fantastic detailing and stunning looking, just need to move house and get the layout going again!

Thank you Ben and Mike for the sterling efforts.

Steve
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: 1936ace on February 03, 2020, 10:57:36 AM
The better half said i received a delivery from revolutions today so im hoping that will be my sturgeons.
Cant wait to get back home and give them a run on dads layout
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on February 03, 2020, 12:52:33 PM
Sorry to hear that people are having issues with couplings. My suspicion is that there are several factors at play here:

- fundamentally the Sturgeon is a long wagon with the bogies quite far inboard from the ends on tiny wheels.  Those tiny wheels make any issue with track more of a potential problem.
- it looks like the tooling has deviated slightly from the specification for the coupling pocket - I need to check but it looks like the coupler arm is slightly too long and the NEM socket slightly too far from the buffers (probably less than 1mm but sufficient to make swapping NEM couplers difficult)
- the coupler arm is possibly too thin which is not a problem if correctly moulded, assembled and fitted but that there is potential for vertical movement

As with all NEM couplers the first thing I do if there are any issues with raised or droopy couplers is check that there is no flash in either the NEM socket or on the coupler end that slots into the socket.  Even re-seating the coupler can sometimes help.

If that isn't a problem then look to see if the coupler arm or the arm that the NEM socket is connected to is flat (it should be possible to gently straighten any slight curve).

As always any problems please get in touch and we will try to help (or ultimately replace/repair).

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Calnefoxile on February 04, 2020, 12:22:00 PM

My 6 are still showing as 'Processing'  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

Cheers

Neal

Had my 'completed' email today for my  triple-pack of Olive ones  :claphappy: :claphappy: , just got to wait for my others now as I've been a pain in the a&*e for @red_death (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246) and asked for a swapsie of my Yellow Ones for Dutch ones, sorry Mike  :D :D

Regards

Neal.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on February 04, 2020, 01:37:46 PM
I confess to being confused as my order is now marked 'Completed' on the website but I've not received a mail. I have checked the Spam folder but nothing there (there shouldn't be 'cos I get the newsletters just fine) :confused1:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: PaulCheffus on February 04, 2020, 02:17:23 PM
I confess to being confused as my order is now marked 'Completed' on the website but I've not received a mail. I have checked the Spam folder but nothing there (there shouldn't be 'cos I get the newsletters just fine) :confused1:

Hi

Have you changed your email since you ordered these?

I was forced to change my email address when EE stopped providing an email service and I changed the email in my account on the Revolution website. Unfortunately all my old orders (just the 92 and 321 now) still have the old email address so I just keep an eye on them via the website.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on February 04, 2020, 02:34:12 PM
I've not changed my e mail address in donkey's years, Paul. :no:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: honestjudge on February 04, 2020, 03:21:27 PM
My order was changed to completed on a Friday, it was delivered the following Monday. It should be in the post.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on February 04, 2020, 08:18:49 PM
My order was changed to completed on a Friday, it was delivered the following Monday. It should be in the post.

Thanks, but did you get a mail advising you of despatch? I'm not chasing delivery but just trying to establish what 'the system' is.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: exmouthcraig on February 04, 2020, 08:46:30 PM
Evening Mick, @Newportnobby (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) good news that your finally getting your order!!!!

The sequence for mine was.......

My orders on my account page showed as "completed"

My parcel arrived in the post 2 days later

A day after that an email from Rev to say that my order had now been completed and thanked me for shopping with them.

Hopefully you'll be holding them tomorrow!!!!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on February 04, 2020, 08:56:20 PM
Thanks Craig,
Taking Mum out for brunch tomorrow so will probably miss the postie. Let's hope the neighbours take it for me or it will be the sorting office the following day.
As for holding them, I was arrested last time I did that! :-[
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on February 05, 2020, 10:44:48 AM
Thanks, but did you get a mail advising you of despatch? I'm not chasing delivery but just trying to establish what 'the system' is.

The answer is it depends - we use two different systems for despatching parcels into the Royal Mail (or occasionally ParcelForce if too large). In general the way it should work is that once we mark an order as Complete then that means it has been shipped (or is about to be) which should trigger an email to your account email address.

However whether you get that email depends on a few factors - mostly whether your ISP likes or blocks our email server (or occassionally our email server falls over due to traffic).  The fact that you get newsletters is not relevant as they come from a completely different source.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: honestjudge on February 05, 2020, 06:31:01 PM
Apologies for the late reply that has now been superseded, but I didn't get an email.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: grid078 on February 05, 2020, 07:16:30 PM
I have been watching this with interest, I am happy to wait as long as it takes.
As a matter of interest I paid my balance on January 6th order has stayed at processing until today it now shows complete so should have a package by week end hopefully, BUT I'm at Doncaster with James St so won't get them until early next week. I have no idea how many orders revolution have had to process but this does give some indication to the processing time that is involved. This is no complaint in any form as I said at the start I am happy to sit back and wait.


 Finally a big Thank you to all at Revolution for all your hard work.

Regards Stuart

P.s see you at Doncaster come say hello please!!!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on February 06, 2020, 01:12:10 PM
They have arrived! :claphappy: (and exquisite they are, too)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/264-060220130642-871561622.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/264-060220130643-871561356.jpeg)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/264-060220130647-871681587.jpeg)

A huge thanks to RevolutioN for bringing us these unusual wagons

(https://live.staticflickr.com/31337/49496831037_73cc11faec_n.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2ipScqz)RevolutioN Sturgeon 'A's (https://flic.kr/p/2ipScqz) by Mick Hollyoake (https://www.flickr.com/photos/182878845@N04/), on Flickr

Edit - sorry, forgot to add - brief glimpse of Shark brake van courtesy of @PaulCheffus (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=982)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: crewearpley40 on February 06, 2020, 01:16:00 PM
Thanks for sharing mick. All you need is a suitable load
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: dannyboy on February 06, 2020, 02:27:33 PM
They have arrived! :claphappy:

Does that mean you are happy now?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on February 06, 2020, 08:29:33 PM
They have arrived! :claphappy:

Does that mean you are happy now?

No - you're still telling rubbish jokes ;) :P
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on February 06, 2020, 09:18:57 PM
They have arrived! :claphappy:

Does that mean you are happy now?

No - you're still telling rubbish jokes ;) :P

 :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Spanners70 on February 08, 2020, 07:46:49 PM
Anyone had a sturgeon delivery with an order number around 13550s ? Still eagerly awaiting the delivery but still showing pending ....
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on February 09, 2020, 12:15:17 AM
If your order is showing pending then it means we’re waiting for payment.

Also if you paid a deposit and balance then order numbers don’t help you work out where your order is as they are processed in order of the balance being received not the original deposit.

I’ve got about 20 orders in front of me waiting to go to the PO.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Spanners70 on February 09, 2020, 08:25:06 AM
Hi RD, I always pay in full when I order with revolution as I know it’s sorted rather than a bottle neck of payments, I’ve ordered a lot of stuff from you overall,  but still showing processing for the sturgeons..My kfa’s were still showing processing two weeks after they arrived, 13560 & 15961 are my sturgeon orders. Hopefully make it soon just eager to get my hands on them.
And I know your busy also I’m not complaining just quietly sitting waiting and getting fidgety with excitement like a 5 year old waiting for xmas...
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Spanners70 on February 10, 2020, 04:07:53 PM
At last showing completed they must be on the way carnt wait..l.

Edited....they’ve arrived, gorgeous wagons

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/5079-110220143203.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87396)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on February 11, 2020, 06:47:34 PM
I've got about 10-15 orders to pack and/or post at home and another 15 or so orders that we're waiting for balance payments for (please check your account on our website if you're expecting a balance invoice!) plus a few orders for collection at Glasgow.

Mrs RD will be delighted to get our flat back, though the cat likes all the boxes to sit in!

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Andy9202 on February 13, 2020, 12:57:39 PM
Just out of interest how long before you’ve sent out all the orders?  I got mine before Christmas but found one of my black ones was missing a buffer, would like to get a replacement but obviously you’re not going to get to that until the decks are clear of all the orders you have so wonder when to check with you to get a replacement.

Andy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on February 13, 2020, 02:39:35 PM
I may have missed this earlier (if so, I'm sorry) but any idea when your chosen retailers may have stocks as I may want a couple of black without doors and I also have a friend interested. I showed him one of my wagons with doors this morning and, luckily, I can run faster than him!! :D
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on February 13, 2020, 05:22:27 PM
Drop us a line (if you haven't already done so) at the email address on the instructions leaflet (parts@revolution etc) and we'll send spares out as soon as we can.

Assuming everyone pays their balances then I'm hoping to have sent everything out before the Glasgow show (including to retailers - Kernow should have just got there's, C&M, Colletts, East Somerset Models and Osborns should get them over the next few days).

Just as a word of warning there are not huge numbers available through retailers so if you want any more then I wouldn't hang around too much.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on February 13, 2020, 08:26:07 PM
Having seen the price at Kernows I really do recommend anyone at all interested in RevolutioN offerings make it policy to get in on the earlybird offers from them. I now bitterly regret not getting one or two Sturgeons without doors when I ordered my triple pack with doors :smackedface:
I'll be going without.
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