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Title: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Tank on February 23, 2018, 11:56:38 AM
STURGEON DECLARES REVOLUTION IN SCOTLAND!


Or rather, "Sturgeon!" Declares Revolution at Model Rail Scotland.

Revolution Trains is proposing the long-lived and versatile Sturgeon wagon as its next model aimed at the transition era enthusiast.

Based on a 1940s LNER design, and built from the mid-1950s onwards, they've seen service across the Network from Cornwall to the North of Scotland and from West Wales to East Anglia.

Designed to carry all manner of engineers' supplies, these characterful wagons feature distinctive low decks and while most were built with 7 drop down doors these, and the ends, were removable and many ran as flat wagons to carry track panels.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/2-230218120115.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62186)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/2-230218120400.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62187)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/2-230218120429.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62188)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/2-230218120500.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62189)



They could be seen in short cuts with other engineers' wagons such as Dogfish, Grampus or Salmons, or in longer rakes in track renewal trains.

The Revolution model will be produced by the same team that designed the Class B tankers, the first of which are scheduled for delivery very soon, and will feature similar levels of detail and finish.

To ensure the models are adequately weighted a large part of the deck will be diecast, and the model will feature NEM Couplers and, in the case of the versions without doors, removable ends.

The wagons were delivered in black, and Revolution are offering versions with and without doors in the original livery in single and triple packs.

A small number received the short-lived Gulf red livery, and this will also be offered in doorless versions only.

From the mid 1960s, with the adoption of British Rail's corporate image, departmental stock was repainted into olive green and this will be depicted on both 7-door and flat versions in single and triple packs.

In the late 1980s, with sectorisation, the Civil Engineering "Dutch" livery was introduced; the flat wagons were predominantly yellow, while those wagons that still retained doors had the standard grey/yellow colours.  Again, both these variants will be offered.




We anticipate this model will be priced between £28-30 and as ever we can only move forward with development and production if we know there is demand.

A small deposit secures your model and will get the project started.  As ever we will only produce models to match pre-orders.  While some retailers do pre-order models, these are invariably sold at a higher price, so there is nothing to be gained  by delaying your order, and the sooner we reach minimum numbers the sooner we can begin development.




Our Cargowaggon twin vans were unveiled at the DEMU Showcase exhibition in June, and we now have painted samples, so with enthusiastic support our models can progress quickly through the development process.




We are hoping that the widespread appeal of this characterful wagon, and the successful delivery of the attractive Class B tankers, will encourage modellers to back our third crowd-funded project aimed at the transition era.







(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/2-230218115307.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62181)

This wonderfully evocative image shows a Black 5 on a short engineers train at Litherland in the 1960s.  The first wagon behind the loco is a 7-door Sturgeon in black livery.   Photo courtesy David Bryant.




(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/2-230218115403.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62182)

Here, in the BR Blue era, 25159 passes Syston with a short rake comprising a brake van, an open wagon (possibly Grampus) and three Sturgeons with the doors removed but the ends still in place.  Photo courtesy Paul Townsend.




(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/2-230218115434.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62183)

The wagons lasted well into the 21st century; here a single Sturgeon in CE "Dutch" livery is seen behind an EWS liveried Class 37 at Whifflet, near Coatbridge, in 2002.

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: longbow on February 23, 2018, 12:40:12 PM
A interesting choice influenced no doubt by its striking appearance, the large size of the class (>800) and its longevity, spanning the early 1950s to 2000s.

On the downside it's a big wagon (>60ft) to fit into a cramped N Gauge yard and as a specialist PW vehicle it's not something you would have seen in a steam-era mixed goods train.     
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Steven B on February 23, 2018, 01:07:29 PM
Lovely choice. Can you make it a bit rough around the edges so it won't look out of place with my NGS Salmons?


Steven B.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on February 23, 2018, 02:10:09 PM
You almost think they would have also done a Salmon for release in Scotland alongside the mighty Sturgeon.
And are you sure the third wagon shown isn't in SNP yellow?

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Buzzard on February 23, 2018, 02:31:58 PM
More prototype info can be found here

http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_043.php (http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_043.php)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Dalek on February 23, 2018, 02:52:52 PM
You almost think they would have also done a Salmon for release in Scotland alongside the mighty Sturgeon.
And are you sure the third wagon shown isn't in SNP yellow?

It's Salmond... i don't think we want to start talking Scottish politics on here otherwise it will soon escalate into Westminster Politics, Brexit, EU etc etc   :no:

It's nice posting on here, lets keep it that way  :)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on February 23, 2018, 03:05:23 PM
I tried hard but could not find a Salmon with a -D suffix. And then the pun was lost.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: woodbury22uk on February 23, 2018, 04:31:56 PM
My first encounter with a Salmon was in a derailed engineer's train in a loop near Kings Langley. The trap points had done their job and prevented the train running on to the main line. Unfortunately the derailed loco was on a bridge which meant re-railing was a challenge requiring removal of a lot of the OHLE. Turned in to a lengthy Sunday job. The load of used rails on the Salmon had not moved an inch in the derailment with the chains and timber blocks holding everything firm.

I'll be committing to a few of these for the 1990s engineer's trains.

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 23, 2018, 04:37:19 PM
@red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246)

Can we please have track laying cranes for them as well.

http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e (http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: PaulCheffus on February 23, 2018, 05:09:39 PM
@red_death ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246[/url])

Can we please have track laying cranes for them as well.

[url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url] ([url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url])


Hi

Wouldn't the NGS addon cranes for the Salmon be suitable?

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 23, 2018, 05:11:47 PM
@red_death ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246[/url])

Can we please have track laying cranes for them as well.

[url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url] ([url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url])


Hi

Wouldn't the NGS addon cranes for the Salmon be suitable?

Cheers

Paul


No, as they have lost the mold and there will be no more :doh:. 

I was hoping that Revolution ones could be used with the N soc. Salmons.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: PaulCheffus on February 23, 2018, 05:20:16 PM
@red_death ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246[/url])

Can we please have track laying cranes for them as well.

[url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url] ([url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url])


Hi

Wouldn't the NGS addon cranes for the Salmon be suitable?

Cheers

Paul


No, as they have lost the mold and there will be no more :doh:. 

I was hoping that Revolution ones could be used with the N soc. Salmons.


Hi

Ah that would be a problem then.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Tank on February 23, 2018, 05:24:10 PM
@red_death ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246[/url])

Can we please have track laying cranes for them as well.

[url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url] ([url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url])


I already asked, and the answer was no as the NGS have the cranes.... so interesting that the NGS don’t have any. Hopefully something will change.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 23, 2018, 05:28:22 PM
@red_death ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246[/url])

Can we please have track laying cranes for them as well.

[url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url] ([url]http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brsturgeon/h1c8530e[/url])


I already asked, and the answer was no as the NGS have the cranes.... so interesting that the NGS don’t have any. Hopefully something will change.


It's beyond "no cranes" the N Soc. no longer have the ability to make any more. @red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: 25901JFM on February 23, 2018, 06:05:15 PM
My memories of Sturgeons in the early 90's were that they were a bit of a problem to move around as they were restricted to 35mph and therefore made any train they were in a class 8.  Most of the CE trips that I had involvements with were timed as class 6 or 7 only, which made moving them round a bit of a nuisance!  Salmons were not much better but at least they could run at 45mph back then, the surviving Salmons have since been re-bogied and can now run at 60mph.

I would certainly have one or two just for the memories of my days with the BR CE department.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Caz on February 23, 2018, 06:16:00 PM
Alas, another one I'll have to pass by, just doesn't fit in with Claywell.   :(
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: JBQFC on February 23, 2018, 06:26:20 PM
wanted a model of these for a long time i will be in for a few  :D
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: 37058 on February 23, 2018, 06:47:26 PM
Nice! Put me down for a couple please @red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246) Just looked on the website, can't see anything yet?

Cheers
Anthony
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on February 23, 2018, 07:10:42 PM
Yes, I'll certainly be putting in an order for some early ones of both types as soon as preorder facility is up on the RevolutioN website.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 23, 2018, 07:13:57 PM
I will certainly be ordering wagons for several rakes once I figure out the formations I will run them with.  Cranes will certainly increase my order. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Buzzard on February 23, 2018, 08:46:21 PM
Just looked on the website, can't see anything yet?

They're all in Glasgow for the weekend so perhaps a page will be up next week.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Buzzard on February 23, 2018, 08:52:48 PM
Cranes will certainly increase my order

Cranes would secure an order as would wagons with no sides and ends.

Has anyone got an NGS crane in their bits box that they'd be prepared to donate so that a mould could be made?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: RailGooner on February 23, 2018, 09:13:55 PM
Think I've got some unopened kits - I'll have a look tomorrow.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Skyline2uk on February 23, 2018, 11:04:36 PM
Interested in these as I have nearly every other engineering wagon mentioned in the brief as being seen with them.

It’s a bit tricky though as I have to limit modelling funds and I still want to see about catching some of their container flats.

Pleased more models are coming though.

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on February 24, 2018, 12:55:31 AM
We did seriously consider doing the cranes version but it is much easier to do without for people to add them than to tool at extra cost for a relatively smaller number with cranes so we decided not to.

Ben did the masters of the NGS Salmon cranes and is sure CMA have the masters so the NGS should be able to get more done. The other complication is that I think several different types of cranes appeared on the Sturgeons.

If the NGS can't produce any more then I'll 3D design some cranes for people to buy as add ons.

No rush to order them but the product/shop pages should go live later next week.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on February 24, 2018, 12:56:52 AM
Ps we are already offering no sides and no ends as the end posts will be removable on the no sides version.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 24, 2018, 12:58:39 AM
Quote
If the NGS can't produce any more then I'll 3D design some cranes for people to buy as add ons.
  :beers:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Tank on February 24, 2018, 07:04:23 AM
Excellent Mike, thanks! :claphappy:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Mark on February 24, 2018, 10:31:14 AM
Interesting choice, thanks again Revolution.  Will certainly order a few.

I don't know that much about PW / engineers' trains - would they have been seen with Dave Jones' mermaids?

Mark
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Cooper on February 24, 2018, 11:29:14 AM
Very good choice of wagon. Why has nobody done this before! I shall definitely be up for a couple. 👍
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 24, 2018, 11:36:57 AM
We did seriously consider doing the cranes version but it is much easier to do without for people to add them than to tool at extra cost for a relatively smaller number with cranes so we decided not to.

Ben did the masters of the NGS Salmon cranes and is sure CMA have the masters so the NGS should be able to get more done. The other complication is that I think several different types of cranes appeared on the Sturgeons.

If the NGS can't produce any more then I'll 3D design some cranes for people to buy as add ons.

No rush to order them but the product/shop pages should go live later next week.

Cheers Mike

Mike, if you make cranes, can you mold into the model 1mm holes where the cranes would go.  This would give a firm anchor point for cranes if we want to mount them with an almost unnoticeable modification.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Tank on February 24, 2018, 12:03:04 PM
Buy a drill!   :P :D
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 24, 2018, 12:09:52 PM
Buy a drill!   :P :D


Tank I can drill a straight hole in die-cast metal but I have a good pillar drill, your average modeler wont have the kit or probably the skill.

Drilling die-cast is a real  :censored: and most people will skid their drill trying, destroying the paintwork.

The cranes will need to be metal pinned or they will just snap off if only glued.  Even a finer hole that can be drilled out will make a vast difference.

@red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Tank on February 24, 2018, 12:30:17 PM
That's fair enough.  It would be good to have the holes in the models, but perhaps that would then take away from the look of the wagons for those who don't want cranes, and then have two holes?!  An argument for both sides perhaps?!

I'd prefer the holes myself.  Perhaps looking from the underside of the wagon, two holes (or shafts) can be cast into the reverse of the wagon top, requiring the model to 'break through' with a drill if need be, rather than having to drill right the way through?  Then the shaft can act as a guide for the modellers wanting the holes, and those that don't won't have a visible hole on the surface.  Just an idea.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 24, 2018, 12:32:20 PM
That's fair enough.  It would be good to have the holes in the models, but perhaps that would then take away from the look of the wagons for those who don't want cranes, and then have two holes?!  An argument for both sides perhaps?!

I'd prefer the holes myself.  Perhaps looking from the underside of the wagon, two holes (or shafts) can be cast into the reverse of the wagon top, requiring the model to 'break through' with a drill if need be, rather than having to drill right the way through?  Then the shaft can act as a guide for the modellers wanting the holes, and those that don't won't have a visible hole on the surface.  Just an idea.



Yes that would work :)

@red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Tank on February 24, 2018, 12:45:12 PM
 :thumbsup: 

You don't need to tag Mike in every post! ;D 
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: zwilnik on February 24, 2018, 02:11:44 PM
If the die cast metal has enough ferrous content, you could make the cranes with magnets and just stick them on :)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on February 24, 2018, 02:16:49 PM
Can someone point me at a pic of a Sturgeon with a crane?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on February 24, 2018, 02:36:01 PM
Can someone point me at a pic of a Sturgeon with a crane?
See reply 8 above - link to Paul Bartlett's excellent website and a sturgeon with cranes.
HTH
Bob
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 24, 2018, 03:01:35 PM
Can someone point me at a pic of a Sturgeon with a crane?


In the spirit of the Revolution announcement.  :D

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3761-240218145927.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62218)

NB This is the crane that used to load the Bayer Garrett locos onto the ships for Africa
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on February 24, 2018, 03:22:05 PM
 :laughabovepost:    :smiley-laughing:    :beers:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on February 24, 2018, 03:32:09 PM

Also in the spirit of the announcement...

Despite the wide overhang, will there be a close coupling option with fine tolerances?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/1517-240218152710.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62219)

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: RailGooner on February 24, 2018, 03:34:32 PM
Think I've got some unopened kits - I'll have a look tomorrow.
I'll save myself the bother of looking in light of Mike's post. :beers:

..
If the NGS can't produce any more then I'll 3D design some cranes for people to buy as add ons.
...
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on February 24, 2018, 04:49:55 PM

Also in the spirit of the announcement...

Despite the wide overhang, will there be a close coupling option with fine tolerances?

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/1517-240218152710.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62219[/url])


 :sick2:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: broadsword on February 24, 2018, 05:05:02 PM
Which movie is that scene from ?

a  Fatal Attraction

b  A Kind of Loving

c  Kiss of the Spider Woman
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 24, 2018, 05:14:07 PM
Which movie is that scene from ?

a  Fatal Attraction

b  A Kind of Loving

c  Kiss of the Spider Woman

Kiss the Girls and Make Them Cry
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on February 24, 2018, 07:11:53 PM

Hello all,

On the prototype the cranes are just clamped on, and the position can vary, so pre-drilling holes isn't particularly helpful. Plus given the relatively small number of customers who would want them wouldn't be optimal on a R-T-R model.

This image shows the same type of crane as the NGS casting, albeit fitted to a Salmon, not a Sturgeon:

https://goo.gl/images/M5gm1Z

There is a plate across the deck which would offer a large area for gluing.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on February 24, 2018, 10:38:38 PM

This image shows the same type of crane as the NGS casting, albeit fitted to a Salmon, not a Sturgeon:

https://goo.gl/images/M5gm1Z


Ben
i can't seem to get the shortened link to work. i'm just on a normal Windows 10 machine.
Can you re-post the full link?
Bob
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 24, 2018, 10:42:23 PM
https://gingespotting.smugmug.com/DetailShots/Wagon/YFB/ (https://gingespotting.smugmug.com/DetailShots/Wagon/YFB/)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: PaulCheffus on February 25, 2018, 07:54:21 AM
Hi

Making an assumption that the cranes are the same distance from the wagon edge as on the salmon then the NGS cranes come with a drilling jig that could be used to position the holes.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on February 25, 2018, 10:29:37 AM
Good news.  I shall be splurgin' on a Sturgeon or two :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Railwaygun on February 25, 2018, 01:31:06 PM
[url]https://gingespotting.smugmug.com/DetailShots/Wagon/YFB/[/url] ([url]https://gingespotting.smugmug.com/DetailShots/Wagon/YFB/[/url])


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/941-250218132939-62199544.jpeg)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: RailGooner on February 25, 2018, 05:09:46 PM
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([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/941-250218132939-62199544.jpeg[/url])


What scale are those?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: RailGooner on February 25, 2018, 05:11:12 PM
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([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/941-250218132939-62199544.jpeg[/url])


What material are they made from?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: RailGooner on February 25, 2018, 05:12:27 PM
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([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/941-250218132939-62199544.jpeg[/url])


Where are they from? Or did you make them yourself?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: rusticged on February 25, 2018, 07:52:21 PM
 :wave:
I am delighted with this announcement as well. I shall certainly be ordering a number. Thanks Mike & Ben.
Cheers,
Ged
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: cutting42 on February 26, 2018, 12:34:42 AM
Pushing era slightly but I am sure a couple in the yard with the snow ploughs and other random fishkind would not look out of place
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Thorpe Parva on February 26, 2018, 09:39:07 AM
I think I'm now going to have two PW trains instead of the one originally planned.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: robert shrives on February 27, 2018, 01:46:12 PM
 :thankyousign:

A good choice of wagon and liveries - here`s to a good revolution !

Looking to order 3 dutch with sides.

Robert
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: talisman56 on February 28, 2018, 02:03:44 PM
Which movie is that scene from ?

a  Fatal Attraction

b  A Kind of Loving

c  Kiss of the Spider Woman

Definitely c...

I might go for a triple pack in black - I think my next layout will have to be/include a full-blown PW depot... :)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Spanners70 on February 28, 2018, 04:33:37 PM
Wish revolution would stop there costing me a fortune ! First pendolonos, then I have 29 of the 35ton tanks on the way, then there’s the cargo wagons I need to order probably Perrier plus at least a triple cargo wagon, hoa at some point no doubt be a good 10 units to make a decent rake and now I will need a rake of sturgeons....
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Railwaygun on March 01, 2018, 11:25:29 AM
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([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/941-250218132939-62199544.jpeg[/url])


Where are they from? Or did you make them yourself?


Shapeways - OO sized parts
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 01, 2018, 11:41:24 AM
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([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/941-250218132939-62199544.jpeg[/url])


Where are they from? Or did you make them yourself?


Shapeways - OO sized parts


Can you post a link and a makers name, thanks
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Railwaygun on March 01, 2018, 10:16:31 PM
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([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/941-250218132939-62199544.jpeg[/url])


Where are they from? Or did you make them yourself?


They are OO, and I found the picture here

Salmon' - Bogie Rail Mounted Crane Wagon model

https://www.hamodels.net/cranes-generator-for-salmon-rail-wagon.html (https://www.hamodels.net/cranes-generator-for-salmon-rail-wagon.html)

Genesis kits are producers

http://www.genesiskits.co.uk/shop/wagon-components/cranes-generator-for-salmon-rail-wagon/ (http://www.genesiskits.co.uk/shop/wagon-components/cranes-generator-for-salmon-rail-wagon/)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 01, 2018, 10:38:36 PM
OK i know who makes them and I am sure they are white metal.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Railwaygun on March 01, 2018, 10:59:19 PM
..
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/941-250218132939-62199544.jpeg[/url])


Where are they from? Or did you make them yourself?


They are OO, and I found the picture here

Salmon' - Bogie Rail Mounted Crane Wagon model

[url]https://www.hamodels.net/cranes-generator-for-salmon-rail-wagon.html[/url] ([url]https://www.hamodels.net/cranes-generator-for-salmon-rail-wagon.html[/url])



I suspect one could scratch build a pair in N from the pictures? H section, rod, and base dimensions from the Sturgeon width??

Pictures here (quoted above)

https://gingespotting.smugmug.com/DetailShots/Wagon/YFB/i-hZJmwvQ (https://gingespotting.smugmug.com/DetailShots/Wagon/YFB/i-hZJmwvQ)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on March 02, 2018, 09:00:33 AM
Two different types of crane (prototype and the Genesis ones). Ben thinks the masters for the NGS cranes are available at CMA and are of the Geismar type which IRC are the most common type on the Sturgeon.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 09, 2018, 10:28:45 AM
As an aside, I received this first pass render today from a chap that does CAD for me.  Its a long term project for use with NGS Salmons I have been working up to and whether this type of crane was used with Sturgeons I am not sure.  However with a bit more detail added, subject to printing resolution, I'm hoping to get these printed and available through Shapeways.

I have photos of this crane type on Salmons and if anyone has photos of them fitted to Sturgeons, that would be very helpful.  :thumbsup:

NB. I know the generator is back to front  :)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3761-090318102502.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62734)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 09, 2018, 02:44:28 PM
From a bit of research today it appears a valid train would be a set of Salmons with these cranes for rails, combined with Sturgeons with sides for ballast, sleepers and other materials and a class 37 or similar to haul them.

http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_043.php (http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_043.php)

http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_044.php (http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_044.php)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 10, 2018, 10:24:12 AM
Here are the adjusted drawings ready to try a test print.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3761-100318102113.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62764)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3761-100318102133.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62765)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3761-100318102148.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62766)


NB these are the alternate type from the type that occasionally are available from the NGS.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 10, 2018, 07:58:49 PM
Off to Shapeways for a first print.

This image is much sharper and is from the Shapeways site.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/3761-100318195813.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62796)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: robert shrives on March 10, 2018, 08:57:22 PM
Hi look forward to these being printed - I will wait until shapeways has a free posting session  as cost of even 10 will be outweighed by UPs charges!
Thanks for effort in creating.
Robert
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 10, 2018, 09:02:50 PM
Hi look forward to these being printed - I will wait until shapeways has a free posting session  as cost of even 10 will be outweighed by UPs charges!
Thanks for effort in creating.
Robert

If they print I will put them up in a Shapeways shop.

I'm just eager to see how they come out, I have seven NGS Salmons to build with them  :)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 15, 2018, 08:05:22 PM
The crane prints have passed checking and are on their way.

I have opened a shop on Shapeways for anyone who wants them

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/snowwolflair (https://www.shapeways.com/shops/snowwolflair)

I should be able to put up photos when they arrive early next week.

Roll on the Sturgeons.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 18, 2018, 12:35:40 AM
With my delivery of Mobil B tankers there was a leaflet promising a discount of £2 on each Sturgeon to previous customers of B tankers (I assume).

thank you, very much appreciated.  :D

It is dated "use by 31st March" so I assume that the ability to order them will be available soon.

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: PaulCheffus on March 18, 2018, 07:21:15 PM
With my delivery of Mobil B tankers there was a leaflet promising a discount of £2 on each Sturgeon to previous customers of B tankers (I assume).

thank you, very much appreciated.  :D

It is dated "use by 31st March" so I assume that the ability to order them will be available soon.

Hi

I hope the offer will be extended for those of use that probably won’t have our tanks before 31/3.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: mickster04 on March 18, 2018, 07:38:29 PM
As a kiwi I expect mine to take even longer!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on March 18, 2018, 07:43:21 PM
With my delivery of Mobil B tankers there was a leaflet promising a discount of £2 on each Sturgeon to previous customers of B tankers (I assume).

thank you, very much appreciated.  :D

It is dated "use by 31st March" so I assume that the ability to order them will be available soon.



Thanks for the "heads up" I hadn't noticed that!

Unexpected but very much appreciated, I shall certainly use it, and with the discount on six I will be nearly half way to a seventh!

Roy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on March 18, 2018, 10:24:52 PM
I think we designed the leaflet before we knew that the main batch of Class Bs were going to be slightly late.

Plus we'd rather show people some CAD before they hand over money!

So you'll see in tonight's newsletter (if you're signed up for it, or if you aren't it should appear on our website under News>Newsletter Archive) that we won't open the order book for the Sturgeon until we have something to show and then the discount period will start (if the Class B main batch haven't arrived then we will extend the discount period as necessary).

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: longbow on March 19, 2018, 03:41:33 AM
Looking forward to seeing the CADs but your credibility has already reached the point where I would be prepared to order sight unseen.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bealman on March 19, 2018, 04:09:17 AM
I agree!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Graham on March 19, 2018, 06:20:57 AM
will be ordering some, after the stunning TEA's there is nothing to prove re capability.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Smiffy on March 19, 2018, 06:41:18 AM
Plus we'd rather show people some CAD before they hand over money!

Cheers, Mike

A sensible approach even if currently Revolution have such a reputation you could open the book and be backed.  Could be tempting to make the mistake of going with too many projects and then a delay would bite hard.

Respect is hard earned and easily lost.

Best regards

Iain
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on March 19, 2018, 05:57:15 PM
I agree!

I do as well. For a first or even a second model I can understand that people may want to see some CADS first but I think RevolutioN's reputation for top quality models is now such that most will commit sight unseen.

That said it is Mike and Ben's call entirely and if that is their preference then fair enough.

Roy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 19, 2018, 06:00:32 PM
The CAD will throw up issues such as stability and weight that could influence the model and its cost to make, so wise to hold off until they have the CAD.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 20, 2018, 10:41:20 AM
The cranes have arrived  :bounce:

and they are exquisite.

Available from Shapeways https://www.shapeways.com/shops/snowwolflair (https://www.shapeways.com/shops/snowwolflair)
(at cost price +£1 to cover the CAD work)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/3761-200318103245.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63134)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/3761-200318103309.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63135)

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 20, 2018, 10:53:36 AM
I have just started a new build thread here http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=40866.msg498597#msg498597 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=40866.msg498597#msg498597) to show these 3D prints fitted to NGS Salmons, so as not to clog the Revolution Sturgeon thread.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Skyline2uk on April 07, 2018, 07:53:45 PM
Was out and about today on the East Somerset Railway and spotted a rather rotten Sturgeon...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/1081-070418193322.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63959)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/1081-070418194234.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63960)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/1081-070418194505.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63961)

Apologise if they are iffy quality, taken from a moving train.

Would never have spotted one of these if it wasn’t for Revolution / the NGF and my daily does of education  :NGF:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chetcombe on April 07, 2018, 08:29:07 PM

Apologise if they are iffy quality, taken from a moving train.

Skyline2uk

Quite the opposite. The photos are very high quality, it is the state of the sturgeon that is iffy quality!!!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on April 08, 2018, 11:30:59 AM
Great pics, just illustrates what a universally attractive and useful model the Sturgeon will be with some surviving to the present day on preserved lines.

Roy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: wizbit44 on April 20, 2018, 05:06:02 PM
Cranes are available on the shapeways web site...my be of use ,not seen them to say what the quality is ?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on April 20, 2018, 05:24:23 PM
Cranes are available on the shapeways web site...my be of use ,not seen them to say what the quality is ?


I made these for salmons but they can be used for Sturgeons, here is the build thread and the Shapeways link.

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=40866.msg498597#msg498597 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=40866.msg498597#msg498597)

https://www.shapeways.com/product/38YVCA6W9/crane-for-salmon-track-carrying-wagons-in-n-gauge?optionId=65034401 (https://www.shapeways.com/product/38YVCA6W9/crane-for-salmon-track-carrying-wagons-in-n-gauge?optionId=65034401)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/3761-200318103309.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63135)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/3761-020418001204.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63733)

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Dalek on May 02, 2018, 03:36:43 PM
Had a good look but i can't find how you pledge for these anywhere?

Craig
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on May 03, 2018, 08:21:27 AM
Hi Craig

As mentioned earlier we won't open the order book until we have something to show you i.e. CAD.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Dalek on May 03, 2018, 08:29:25 AM
Hi Craig

As mentioned earlier we won't open the order book until we have something to show you i.e. CAD.

Cheers Mike

Sorry i must have missed that, thanks Mike

Craig
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Skyline2uk on May 03, 2018, 08:32:48 AM
I think on balance this is good as I have no cash atm!

Keep up the great work though guys!

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: monkey_brains on May 03, 2018, 05:20:15 PM
Hi Craig

As mentioned earlier we won't open the order book until we have something to show you i.e. CAD.

Cheers Mike

If the 321 in Northern colours ends up not going ahead there will one very large order of Sturgeons!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on August 09, 2018, 12:35:35 AM

Hello all,

The first CAD images of the forthcoming Sturgeon model have arrived.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/94-090818002827-67975138.jpeg)

These are now being assessed, and any modifications needed will be made. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/94-090818002827-679752280.jpeg)

We anticipate the order book will be opening shortly and then once enough orders are in we can begin tooling.

For more information and images see here: http://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/)

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Graham on August 09, 2018, 01:31:21 AM
looking good.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Dalek on August 09, 2018, 08:09:48 AM
They look great !

@Ben A (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94)  can you put era numbers next to them when they are listed please to help those that are a bit rubbish at getting this right ? ie me  :-[

Craig
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Steven B on August 09, 2018, 08:44:17 AM
Craig,
Eras are already on the RT website:
http://www.revolutiontrains.com/sturgeon-declares-revolution-scotland/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/sturgeon-declares-revolution-scotland/)

Black - era 4,5,6 & 7
Gulf Red - 5 & 6
Olive Green - 6, 7 & 8
Dept. Yellow 7, 8 & 9
Dutch grey/Yellow 7, 8 & 9


Steven B.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Dalek on August 09, 2018, 09:01:56 AM
Craig,
Eras are already on the RT website:
[url]http://www.revolutiontrains.com/sturgeon-declares-revolution-scotland/[/url] ([url]http://www.revolutiontrains.com/sturgeon-declares-revolution-scotland/[/url])

Black - era 4,5,6 & 7
Gulf Red - 5 & 6
Olive Green - 6, 7 & 8
Dept. Yellow 7, 8 & 9
Dutch grey/Yellow 7, 8 & 9


Steven B.


Thanks for that, i will own up... i didn't even look  :-[  :sorrysign:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/o14YPU6vooy0o/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: 37058 on August 09, 2018, 09:34:59 AM
Fantastic @Ben A (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94)

Put me down for 2 YPA Tench, or I could just wait for the order book to open :claphappy:

Cheers
Anthony
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: talisman56 on August 09, 2018, 10:12:43 AM
Looking good.  :thumbsup:  :drool:

Can't wait to use my discount code from the Class Bs on a trio of these bad boys...
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: ohlavache on September 08, 2018, 11:19:59 AM
Any news on this one?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: monkey_brains on September 08, 2018, 12:30:40 PM
Official website shows that they are awaiting corrected CAD drawings and the order book will open very soon

https://www.revolutiontrains.com/projects/ (https://www.revolutiontrains.com/projects/)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: ohlavache on September 16, 2018, 07:55:13 PM
A question.
Should this thread be moved to 'Crowdfunding > RevolutioN Trains' so that all their announcements are at the same location?

Can't wait to place an order...
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Tank on September 17, 2018, 06:50:10 AM
Thanks Ovlavache, I've moved it now. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: BR Signalman on September 21, 2018, 04:10:26 PM
Looking on the Revolution website, there is news letter saying Order book open, CAD complete. I cannot find the ordering bit. My fingers are twitching and credit card wincing as I can find a good home for 5 black Sturgeons. Any ideas anyone?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on September 21, 2018, 04:17:04 PM
You get good caviar from black sturgeons :-)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: BR Signalman on September 21, 2018, 04:23:11 PM
Sounds a bit fishy to me!  :sorrysign:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on September 21, 2018, 06:47:42 PM

Hello all,

Apologies, order book will be opening very soon.  Just a couple of last minute details to sort out.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: BR Signalman on September 21, 2018, 06:54:20 PM
The comment about "Sounds fishy" was in no way meant towards Revolution Trains. It was just a light-hearted response to the previous comment.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 22, 2018, 11:12:08 AM
I'm also eagerly waiting for the online order form so I can put down a deposit for a BR Black and BR Gulf Red "Sturgeon". (Ditto a BR WR Green Class 128 DPU.) My "ESSO" Class B tank wagons are simply superb models.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on September 22, 2018, 11:52:40 AM
Agreed Chris, my Class B tanks are superb, exquisitely detailed and finished. My only suggestion if there is a further batch (or Class As) would be to review the weighting to see if it can be reduced a tad as they are pretty heavy and even my 12 wagons can cause Class 24s (no weaklings) to slip a bit on a 180 degree curve, the only steam locos I would be confident of hauling them without issue would be my tender driven B1s and J39s. As I say, not a criticism but a suggestion.

As to Sturgeons and 128s, as soon as the orders are open I will be in too!


Roy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 22, 2018, 12:09:52 PM
I would also buy "ESSO" Class A tank wagons.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: JonHarbour on September 29, 2018, 02:07:20 PM
Agreed Chris, my Class B tanks are superb, exquisitely detailed and finished. My only suggestion if there is a further batch (or Class As) would be to review the weighting to see if it can be reduced a tad as they are pretty heavy and even my 12 wagons can cause Class 24s (no weaklings) to slip a bit on a 180 degree curve, the only steam locos I would be confident of hauling them without issue would be my tender driven B1s and J39s. As I say, not a criticism but a suggestion.

As to Sturgeons and 128s, as soon as the orders are open I will be in too!


Roy

Definitely second the weight opinion Roy! Beautiful models! They have confirmed that my layout (when I actually have spare time to build it!) will need to be flat! I'm definitely in for a couple of sturgeons and a class 128 railcar!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on September 30, 2018, 11:51:42 PM
Hello all,

The CAD drawings for the two Sturgeon variants - with and without bodyside drop-down doors - are just about done.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/94-300918234042-695351219.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/94-300918234043-696022482.jpeg)

There are a few little tweaks needed on the inside of the doors as the panelling needs a minor revision.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/94-300918234043-696026.jpeg)

Differences between the wagons, apart from the obvious doors, include the profile of the end section (which is removable) and the shape of the buffers.  We are also planning at least one air-braked "Tench" version too.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/94-300918234045-696042232.jpeg)

Once the very minor niggles are sorted out we will be ready to open the order book, and the sooner we get firm orders the sooner we can get this model into tooling!  The record for the fastest seller so far is the IZA which reached the required numbers in just a few weeks, so we are hoping this versatile, imposing and widespread wagon will do even better!

For more pictures and information see our News page at www.revolutiontrains.com (http://www.revolutiontrains.com)

This wagon is, like our Class B tankers, being overseen by former Farish designer Colin Allbright and so far we are very happy with the look of the model.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: longbow on October 01, 2018, 12:30:32 AM
I'd wondering how a Sturgeon or two would fit into a short, steam-era PW train with Grampus and Mermaid wagons on its way to a minor track repair job. The side door variant carrying rails and sleepers presumably?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on October 01, 2018, 12:53:58 AM

Hi Longbow,

I don't have a definitive answer to your question, but I suspect there isn't one.  It seems to me that Sturgeons were designed to be as flexible as possible with doors and ends fully demountable - and this is how they were used pretty much from the start.

With doors they were intended for carrying ballast, fishplates, signalling parts, tools, and anything and everything that the engineers might need.   Without, they seemed to be used more usually for complete 60' track panels - either bringing new ones to a location, or taking old ones away. 

And the jobs could be a brief possession to change a short length of track to a large junction renewal job.

Certainly there is every reason to think that for some jobs maybe two flats loaded with track panels, a doored version carrying tools/cables/bags of cement/track joiners/other bits and maybe a couple of Dogfish or similar could be a very modellable proposition.

Our Sturgeon launch page here http://www.revolutiontrains.com/sturgeon-declares-revolution-scotland/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/sturgeon-declares-revolution-scotland/) shows a Black Five with a black, door-fitted Sturgeon immediately behind the loco, but doesn't show the rest of the train.  Further down there is a very attractive short engineers train behind a Class 40 - two Sturgeons, including one fitted with cranes, a 4-wheel runner and a BR Brake van.

However, I'd be really interested to hear more from those with more knowledge of operations in the steam era.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: longbow on October 01, 2018, 02:11:00 AM
I found this video on track panel relaying, probably mid/late 1950s judging by the liveries. Note that the track panel train includes an empty wagon at front to take the initial used panels, with the crane and other equipment arriving in a separate train on the other track.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I3QM0PBn0A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I3QM0PBn0A)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 01, 2018, 07:15:59 AM
Superb illustrations, Ben. I particularly like the side door variant. I'm itching to order a BR Black and a BR Indian Red one of these, at least. Good question, Longbow. Cant Cove is a very small layout, so I envisage these two Sturgeons carrying rails, sleepers and tools, with a Grampus (I have a few) and a Mermaid (I need to buy one) ballast wagon, plus a Shark ballast plough brake van (I need to finish mine), on their way to a track repair worksite where the workers are waiting.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Dalek on November 09, 2018, 04:03:02 PM
Guess this needs bring back up, just seen on Facebook :)

Sturgeon order book now open - with an early bird discount for everyone (no code needed) for 6 weeks:
http://www.revolutiontrains.com/product/sturgeon/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/product/sturgeon/)

Ordered mine :)
Craig
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 09, 2018, 04:28:07 PM
Guess this needs bring back up, just seen on Facebook :)

Sturgeon order book now open - with an early bird discount for everyone (no code needed) for 6 weeks:
[url]http://www.revolutiontrains.com/product/sturgeon/[/url] ([url]http://www.revolutiontrains.com/product/sturgeon/[/url])

Ordered mine :)
Craig


Many thanks, Craig. Unfortunately, my Class B tanker buyer's discunt code does not seem to work. 8-(
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on November 09, 2018, 05:01:28 PM
As Craig mentioned - no code is needed for the discount.  We thought that was the fairest way as some people will have old discount codes that they might have lost etc...plus it meant we could offer a £2/wagon discount on singles and triples (the discount code would have given you £2 off a single and/or £2 off a triple pack).

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on November 09, 2018, 05:11:33 PM
Order placed as well  :D
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: BR Signalman on November 09, 2018, 05:18:32 PM
In for 2 triple packs.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: REGP on November 09, 2018, 05:20:41 PM
@red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246)
I want to order a couple but can’t find them on your web site, are they only available via Facebook?

Also, are the BR Black & BR Red different eras, if so which eras please?

Ray
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on November 09, 2018, 05:31:18 PM
@red_death ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246[/url])
I want to order a couple but can’t find them on your web site, are they only available via Facebook?

Also, are the BR Black & BR Red different eras, if so which eras please?

Ray


Hi Ray


The direct link is in Craig's post above or you can find them in our shop on our website - click on Shop > N Gauge > Sturgeon.

When you select the livery/single or triple and side doors/no doors it tells you in the description that appears above the price which era that wagon is suitable for.  I'll try to add the list to the main description but that won't be until next week.

Roughly (in date order with a lot of overlap):
Black 4, 5, 6
Red 5
Green 6, 7, 8
Yellow 7, 8, 9
Grey/Yellow 8 and 9

But as I say there was quite a bit of overlap.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: REGP on November 09, 2018, 05:59:51 PM
@red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246)

Thanks for quick response, will try ordering via Craiges link later.

When going into “Shop”  on your website all I get offered is “My Account” with no obvious options for N gauge etc.

Ray
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: JBQFC on November 09, 2018, 06:04:39 PM
just ordered 7 a wagon type i have wanted for a long time

john 
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: PaulCheffus on November 09, 2018, 06:26:24 PM
@red_death ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246[/url])

Thanks for quick response, will try ordering via Craiges link later.

When going into “Shop”  on your website all I get offered is “My Account” with no obvious options for N gauge etc.

Ray


Hi

Click on the shop menu item twice. First click shows my account, second click takes you to the products page. Not the most obvious way of using a menu.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Hailstone on November 09, 2018, 08:35:35 PM
one triple pack ordered  :claphappy:

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on November 09, 2018, 08:43:16 PM
Six black ones ordered, three with and three without side-doors.

Roy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: snitchthebudgie on November 09, 2018, 09:45:29 PM
4 black ones ordered. 
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on November 09, 2018, 09:54:33 PM
Just tried to order a triple pack of black ones, typed in the coupon code from my class B tanks and the site states "coupon does not exist" ???
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on November 09, 2018, 10:04:16 PM
Pay attention old thing.

Look back a few posts, it's all explained earlier!

I've got my own problems with the site. I went to have a look and it would appear that somehow I've got a triple pack of black, with doors on order!

How does that happen? I was only looking. I know I wouldn't have ordered any as I promised myself I wouldn't buy anymore stock this year.

 ???
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on November 09, 2018, 10:07:18 PM
Pay attention old thing.

Look back a few posts, it's all explained earlier!

I've got my own problems with the site. I went to have a look and it would appear that somehow I've got a triple pack of black, with doors on order!

How does that happen? I was only looking. I know I wouldn't have ordered any as I promised myself I wouldn't buy anymore stock this year.

 ???

Yeah - just gone back and seen Mike'#s post about the coupon, but as you called me 'old' you've ordered a triple pack of black ones for me. Just don't ask me how I managed it! >:D ;)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on November 09, 2018, 10:10:57 PM
Pay attention old thing.

Look back a few posts, it's all explained earlier!

I've got my own problems with the site. I went to have a look and it would appear that somehow I've got a triple pack of black, with doors on order!

How does that happen? I was only looking. I know I wouldn't have ordered any as I promised myself I wouldn't buy anymore stock this year.

 ???

Yeah - just gone back and seen Mike'#s post about the coupon, but as you called me 'old' you've ordered a triple pack of black ones for me. Just don't ask me how I managed it! >:D ;)

That's okay old boy, turns out I'd used your credit card. Just don't ask me how I managed it!

 :whistle:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: NinOz on November 10, 2018, 03:41:41 AM
Haven't ordered any.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on November 10, 2018, 08:15:23 AM
Haven't ordered any.

If you don't intend to then why bother to post that? ???
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 10, 2018, 09:40:29 AM
As Craig mentioned - no code is needed for the discount.  We thought that was the fairest way as some people will have old discount codes that they might have lost etc...plus it meant we could offer a £2/wagon discount on singles and triples (the discount code would have given you £2 off a single and/or £2 off a triple pack).

Cheers Mike

Thanks, Mike. My apologies. I did not read carefully enough. I will be ordering at least two black with doors. Maybe, later, a triple pack (which I don't need but could resell, as I did with my Class B triple pack) if further orders are needed to reach the target.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: mk1gtstu on November 10, 2018, 10:33:02 AM
Just ordered 3 black Sturgeons. Haven't ordered anything from Revolution before but their models look impressive  :claphappy:

Cheers, Stu
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 10, 2018, 10:44:43 AM
Just ordered 3 black Sturgeons. Haven't ordered anything from Revolution before but their models look impressive  :claphappy:

Cheers, Stu

The Class B tank wagons are VERY impressive, Stu.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Shropshire Lad on November 10, 2018, 02:34:26 PM
I've probably missed this detail somewhere but how long are they please?
I want as many as I can fit into the PW yard!
Cheers Colin
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on November 10, 2018, 07:32:43 PM
I want some of these but I am really at a loss as to how I would use them on my layout. What would i run them with?
What goes into the ones with doors, and would they been seen with and without doors on the same train?
I am veering towards black, BTW. Dont like indian red, but also model the olive era.

ESSO B tanks was an easy decision!

Bob
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: talisman56 on November 10, 2018, 08:08:42 PM
Any guidance as to why certain combinations aren't available?

ie I can only order a triple pack in Olive Green with doors. Why isn't a 'no doors' option available in this case as both earlier and later livery variants are available with 'no doors'?

Or is the question moot because the doors are user-removable?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: talisman56 on November 10, 2018, 08:11:45 PM
I want some of these but I am really at a loss as to how I would use them on my layout. What would i run them with?
What goes into the ones with doors, and would they been seen with and without doors on the same train?
I am veering towards black, BTW. Dont like indian red, but also model the olive era.

ESSO B tanks was an easy decision!

Bob

The 'with doors' Sturgeons were use to carry 'loose' items, eg Ballast, Engineers Equipment, and track spares (sleepers, chairs, etc.).
The doors were removed for those fitted to carry 60' track panels (both new and used).
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on November 11, 2018, 01:04:02 AM
Any guidance as to why certain combinations aren't available?

ie I can only order a triple pack in Olive Green with doors. Why isn't a 'no doors' option available in this case as both earlier and later livery variants are available with 'no doors'?

Or is the question moot because the doors are user-removable?

Simply because we are sticking to combinations that we know existed and/or that we expect to sell.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 11, 2018, 09:50:43 AM
I have just ordered my initial 2 X Black with side doors (one for me and one for a friend for 'through' running). One is all I really need or have room for at Cant Cove. However, should the project need an extra boost, later, I'll order a triple pack, I think Black without doors and keep one and resell the other two (as I did with the superb Class B tanks).
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on November 11, 2018, 01:39:50 PM
I've probably missed this detail somewhere but how long are they please?

I'm not at home but off the top of my head around 130-135mm. Plus a small amount for couplings.

Cheers Mike

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Buzzard on November 11, 2018, 02:03:30 PM
I've probably missed this detail somewhere but how long are they please?

Buffers to buffers should be a fraction over 137mm plus, as red_death, says a bit for the couplings
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Shropshire Lad on November 11, 2018, 03:12:52 PM
That's great, thanks! I'll measure up and put in an order.
Cheers Colin
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Steven B on November 12, 2018, 02:20:29 PM
@red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246) , @Ben A (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94),

Will the Olive green version have any TOPS codes printed on? Will it be a fitted or un-fitted wagon? (working out if I also need a brake-van or two).

Also, do you know the dimensions of the load space for the versions with drop-side doors? (length & width between planks). I'm planning on using a dismantled footbridge as a load and want to find one that fits...

Steven B
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on November 12, 2018, 02:46:59 PM
Dimensions - I don't know without checking the CAD and I'm unlikely to have time to do that before Warley I'm afraid.

Olive green - we haven't made the final decision on numbers but it will most likely be a TOPS numbered version. Unfitted.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Buzzard on November 12, 2018, 04:34:07 PM
Also, do you know the dimensions of the load space for the versions with drop-side doors? (length & width between planks). I'm planning on using a dismantled footbridge as a load and want to find one that fits...

Not sure if this is what you mean but

Inside length = 19.507m
Inside width = 2.076m
Inside height (floor to top of sides) = 0.575m

So a quick bit of maths gives 126mm * 13mm * 4mm.  All rounded to the nearest mil.

Any good?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: talisman56 on November 12, 2018, 04:47:02 PM
OK, two triple packs ordered, Olive Green with doors and Black without...
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: PaulCheffus on November 12, 2018, 05:30:37 PM
Also, do you know the dimensions of the load space for the versions with drop-side doors? (length & width between planks). I'm planning on using a dismantled footbridge as a load and want to find one that fits...

Not sure if this is what you mean but

Inside length = 19.507m
Inside width = 2.076m
Inside height (floor to top of sides) = 0.575m

So a quick bit of maths gives 126mm * 13mm * 4mm.  All rounded to the nearest mil.

Any good?

Hi

19507 / 148 = 132 not 126 rounded to nearest mm.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Buzzard on November 12, 2018, 06:15:49 PM
19507 / 148 = 132 not 126 rounded to nearest mm.

Oh!  :worried:

It never occured to me to calculate it your way.

I converted 19.507m into inches, then divided to get feet and then multiplied by 2.

I was always hopeless at maths.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: ohlavache on November 16, 2018, 06:13:21 PM
I ordered my sturgeons today.
I hope they will come soon...  :bounce:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Skyline2uk on November 19, 2018, 01:40:20 PM
Just placed my order for three examples (2x yellow without doors, 1x Dutch with doors).

First time I have benifitted from “early bird” prices  :laugh:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Thorpe Parva on December 06, 2018, 02:00:52 PM
Just ordered Triple Black with Doors & Single Gulf Red.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Buzzard on December 20, 2018, 09:12:44 PM
So an e-mail arrived today from Revolution which included, amongst other things, a reminder that the early bird price for Sturgeons ends tomorrow, December 21st.

Oops I thought hadn't done anything about that so out came the credit card and after logging in I've ordered some.  Not too many but I've saved enough to get the shipping for free.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on December 22, 2018, 09:57:37 AM

Hello all,

Just a gentle reminder that it's... EARLYBIRD PRICE DEADLINE DAY!‬

‪The £33 EarlyBird rate for the forthcoming Revolution Trains Sturgeon engineer's wagon ends at midnight tonight, at which time the price goes up to £35‬.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/72/94-221218095700-725631630.jpeg)

Because of the rapid take up we've seen since opening the order book the model is already in tooling and we are expecting to have EP1 samples to show at Model Rail Scotland in February.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: bluedepot on December 22, 2018, 10:04:49 AM
great!

maybe more engineers wagons in the future then as proving popular!

how about catfish or sealions/seacows!

happy christmas ben and mike and all revolution trains people!

Tim
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Calnefoxile on December 22, 2018, 12:35:33 PM

My orders have gone in, 1 Black with doors & 2 Yellow without Doors, Xmas pressie from Mrs C.

Oh and a Triple pack of Olive (Just don't tell SWMBO about these  ;) ;) ;) )

Looking forward to getting them.

Cheers

Neal

P.S. Merry Chrimbo one and all.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on January 29, 2019, 03:00:20 PM

Hello all,

EP 1 samples of the Sturgeon are here, both with and without doors.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/94-290119145111-73626275.jpeg)

The door handles are all in wire - 14 each side! On the production models we will have them a little less proud.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/94-290119145459-73634894.jpeg)

Other than a few minor niggles we are very happy indeed with these.  Next step is deco samples, probably in about another 6 weeks (allowing for Chinese New Year, which has just started) and then we can close the order book.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/94-290119145500-736351786.jpeg)

More information and ordering here: https://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/ (https://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/)

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Dalek on January 29, 2019, 03:05:40 PM
 :o

Those look awesome Ben  :thumbsup: Great work, as usual   :thankyousign:

Craig
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 29, 2019, 03:07:16 PM
:o

Those look awesome Ben  :thumbsup: Great work, as usual   :thankyousign:

Craig

Seconded!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on January 29, 2019, 03:17:44 PM
Excellent work fellas. Nobody can accuse you of hanging around!

 ;D
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on January 29, 2019, 03:22:09 PM
Quick question - the deck looks shiny. shouldn't it be textured in some way - planking etc?
Otherwise happy to have prepaid.
Bob
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on January 29, 2019, 03:26:27 PM
They look fabulous and it wouldn't surprise me to see an award heading your way for these
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 29, 2019, 03:41:56 PM
Quick question - the deck looks shiny. shouldn't it be textured in some way - planking etc?
Otherwise happy to have prepaid.
Bob

Steel deck and you can add rust to taste  :D


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/3761-290119154144.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=73640)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bealman on January 29, 2019, 04:14:57 PM
They look great!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on January 29, 2019, 06:09:04 PM
Quick question - the deck looks shiny. shouldn't it be textured in some way - planking etc?
Otherwise happy to have prepaid.
Bob

Yes - it’s steel checkerplate on the prototype. This will be engraved in once we are happy with the rest of the part.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: exmouthcraig on January 29, 2019, 06:16:22 PM
 : :claphappy:

FANTASTIC

After missing out on class B tanks i knew we needed these and Mike confirmed we did so orders placed, triple with doors, triple without.

I cannot wait, my plan was to have this part of the layout built and running ready for Sturgeons, we start building baseboards on Saturday, track is all here ready to lay.

Hopefully I'll achieve it.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on January 29, 2019, 07:33:08 PM
Quick question - the deck looks shiny. shouldn't it be textured in some way - planking etc?
Otherwise happy to have prepaid.
Bob

Steel deck and you can add rust to taste  :D


Nah - corrosion makes me  :sick:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: GScaleBruce on January 29, 2019, 07:53:11 PM
Has a decision been made on whether the olive green ones will have TOPS era data panels, please?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on January 29, 2019, 10:56:46 PM
Has a decision been made on whether the olive green ones will have TOPS era data panels, please?

If someone can find an olive green example without TOPS panel then we'll consider it but photos are thin on the ground.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Bob G on January 30, 2019, 07:28:30 AM
Has a decision been made on whether the olive green ones will have TOPS era data panels, please?

If someone can find an olive green example without TOPS panel then we'll consider it but photos are thin on the ground.

Cheers Mike

You can always put a wipe of olive over a black one - and it will probably look nicely weathered that way too.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Skyline2uk on January 30, 2019, 08:11:29 AM
These look impressive and I am glad I ordered both types now.

I am also happy to be “in on the ground floor” with these, I wonder which of my orders will arrive first and thus be my first Revolution model  :hmmm:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: GScaleBruce on January 30, 2019, 09:37:07 AM
Has a decision been made on whether the olive green ones will have TOPS era data panels, please?

If someone can find an olive green example without TOPS panel then we'll consider it but photos are thin on the ground.

Cheers Mike

I only asked because it was queried back in posts #153/154; I'd certainly like them to be TOPS era and was rather spooked by the idea that they might not be after I'd already ordered a triple pack.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on January 30, 2019, 03:15:52 PM
I only asked because it was queried back in posts #153/154; I'd certainly like them to be TOPS era and was rather spooked by the idea that they might not be after I'd already ordered a triple pack.

As I said in the reply to the posts that you refer to - almost certainly TOPS coded (Olive green isn't necessarily a TOPS era as such), but as I also said on our website the next step is for us to finalise all the livery artwork.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: ohlavache on February 19, 2019, 05:33:57 PM
The pictures of the first samples received look great !
These wagons seem even longer than what I thought. And this triggers some questions since some continental bogie coaches cannot run on my layout.

Will they run over R1 curves ?
What about the space required on each side of the track ?
I also note that the bottom of the wagon is very low. Any risk that it may touch the inner part of Roco (now Fleischmann) switches?

Thanks by advance for your reply.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: red_death on February 19, 2019, 11:04:48 PM
They're not as long as Mk3s but the bogies are much more inset than a Mk3. I can't think off the top of my head what impact that will have but our stuff is *generally* designed for minimum R2 curves - that isn't to say that it won't run round tighter but we won't compromise the design to make it.

Sorry no idea about Roco points - if they are overscale then they might touch the bottom. One thing to bear in mind is the wheels on a Sturgeon are tiny so it might not be so low to track as you think.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: woodbury22uk on February 20, 2019, 08:38:31 AM
The shorter bogie centres means that the buffers will stick out more on the outside of curves, but the centre throw of the body on the inside of curves will be less. But if comparing with a Mk3 coach, and continental coaches, they look like they are more tapered below the solebar than a Sturgeon.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on February 23, 2019, 11:13:49 AM
Hello all,

For anyone coming to Model Rail Scotland at the SEC in Glasgow this weekend Revolution Trains has EP1 samples of the forthcoming Sturgeon wagon on our stand B22, toward the middle of the hall about three rows back from the entrance.

Thanks to Steve Farmer for running them on his rather nice Lymebrook Yard layout - and reporting that despite their length they handled the 9" hidden curves with ease.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/74/94-230219074042-743401577.jpeg)

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Graham on February 23, 2019, 12:34:39 PM
great news,  :claphappy: :claphappy:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on February 23, 2019, 03:26:31 PM
Looking fantastic. What an incredible level of detail, even based on an unpainted EP this must be another potential bar-raiser in my humble opinion. Looking forward to my six, just picturing them behind my sound fitted weathered WD.....mmm...

It would be great if in the fullness of time we see other viable compatible PW vehicles (I know the Catfish has been put forward - fab choice). I appreciate that Dapol do a very nice Grampus, but I suspect no further runs of the Dogfish are on Dapol's radar otherwise it would have happened by now (tooling too long in the tooth?).

Similarly the Farish Sealion - beautuful model but I believe I read that it would be too costly to produce at an acceptable RRP now, which just leaves the DJM Mermaid - another beautiful model but no indications of any more being made? (I have four black ones).


Roy

Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Newportnobby on February 23, 2019, 04:41:08 PM
which just leaves the DJM Mermaid - another beautiful model but no indications of any more being made? (I have four black ones).


@Roy L S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=242)
Following the Stafford show I was informed the black and the Dutch liveried Mermaids have not sold in quantities to allow another livery yet. (I have a couple of olive green ones on pre order)
Sorry to interrupt the Sturgeon thread.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 23, 2019, 04:46:15 PM
which just leaves the DJM Mermaid - another beautiful model but no indications of any more being made? (I have four black ones).


@Roy L S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=242)
Following the Stafford show I was informed the black and the Dutch liveried Mermaids have not sold in quantities to allow another livery yet. (I have a couple of olive green ones on pre order)
Sorry to interrupt the Sturgeon thread.

Thank you for this useful interruption. I need to buy at least one DJM black 'Mermaid'. Do Hattons stock them, please?
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Thorpe Parva on February 23, 2019, 05:19:12 PM
which just leaves the DJM Mermaid - another beautiful model but no indications of any more being made? (I have four black ones).


@Roy L S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=242)
Following the Stafford show I was informed the black and the Dutch liveried Mermaids have not sold in quantities to allow another livery yet. (I have a couple of olive green ones on pre order)
Sorry to interrupt the Sturgeon thread.

Thank you for this useful interruption. I need to buy at least one DJM black 'Mermaid'. Do Hattons stock them, please?

I bought mine from  Hattons but it looks like they now only have Dutch livery in stock. Wonder why they haven't restocked the more popular black version? DJM have a list of stockists on their website or you could email Dave directly.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 23, 2019, 05:21:56 PM
which just leaves the DJM Mermaid - another beautiful model but no indications of any more being made? (I have four black ones).


@Roy L S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=242)
Following the Stafford show I was informed the black and the Dutch liveried Mermaids have not sold in quantities to allow another livery yet. (I have a couple of olive green ones on pre order)
Sorry to interrupt the Sturgeon thread.

Thank you for this useful interruption. I need to buy at least one DJM black 'Mermaid'. Do Hattons stock them, please?

I bought mine from  Hattons but it looks like they now only have Dutch livery in stock. Wonder why they haven't restocked the more popular black version? DJM have a list of stockists on their website or you could email Dave directly.

Batch production, all black now with dealers or sold and wont be rerun for some time.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on February 23, 2019, 05:44:22 PM

Hello all,

Can I gently suggest that the appropriate location for discussion of other models is in the relevant thread.

Thanks.

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on February 23, 2019, 06:51:47 PM
I

Hello all,

Can I gently suggest that the appropriate location for discussion of other models is in the relevant thread.

Thanks.

Ben A.


Indeed Ben, only raised on this thread in terms of identifying other PW wagons currently available (or not) to run with the Sturgeons, I didn't expect it to take things quite so far off topic!

Regards

Roy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 23, 2019, 06:55:54 PM
I

Hello all,

Can I gently suggest that the appropriate location for discussion of other models is in the relevant thread.

Thanks.

Ben A.

My apologies, Ben et al but thanks to Roy as that was my interest, too, wanting to make up a short PWM train and not knowing much about the subject.


Indeed Ben, only raised on this thread in terms of identifying other PW wagons currently available (or not) to run with the Sturgeons, I didn't expect it to take things quite so far off topic!

Regards

Roy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on April 13, 2019, 10:09:20 PM

Hello all,

Revolution has now received painted samples of its forthcoming Sturgeon models.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/94-130419220824-761841219.jpeg)

For photos and information, and to order before the deadline cut off, see here: http://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/)

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Skyline2uk on April 13, 2019, 10:17:59 PM
Oh boy am I glad I ordered some of these  :claphappy:

They look excellent!

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on April 13, 2019, 10:40:19 PM
Noice !!!

 :D

Can't wait!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Roy L S on April 13, 2019, 11:28:50 PM
Looking fantastic, like Skyline2uk said, glad I have ordered some!

Roy
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Graham on April 13, 2019, 11:48:20 PM
I dithered over ordering some of these, but reaallly glad I did seeing them now. :claphappy: :claphappy: :claphappy:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: crewearpley40 on April 14, 2019, 05:49:32 AM
stunning

congratulations to ben and mike

now what did i do with those off cuts of rails, old sleepers, strips of wood ? make a load for a sturgeoon when i order mine!!!!
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: RichardBattersby on April 23, 2019, 08:42:17 AM
Having these in the flesh at York, I've just placed an order :)
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on May 19, 2019, 07:41:02 PM
Hello all,

Thanks for the support.

For anyone still interested in getting these models at the lower, pre-order price there are just days remaining before we close the order book and put the models into production.

You can order here: http://www.revolutiontrains.com/product/sturgeon/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/product/sturgeon/)

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: mickd247 on May 20, 2019, 12:19:19 PM
Ben @Ben A (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94)

Slightly confused :dunce:

Project page on your website states order deadline date as 31st May, your message above suggests deadline date of 24th May, which is correct?

 :beers:

Mick
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Ben A on May 20, 2019, 04:16:17 PM

Hello all,

My mistake.

Sturgeon deadline day IS May 31st, not May 24th.  So 11 days to go.

I think I must've put the wrong date in my diary.  I have amended my post above!

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: Snowwolflair on May 20, 2019, 04:17:57 PM

Hello all,

My mistake.

Sturgeon deadline day IS May 31st, not May 24th.  So 11 days to go.

I think I must've put the wrong date in my diary.  I have amended my post above!

cheers

Ben A.

Your just a tease  :D :bounce:
Title: Re: RevolutioN Sturgeon
Post by: emjaybee on May 20, 2019, 04:42:08 PM
I once bought a second-hand car of someone with patter like that...

...hopefully this'll end better.

 :D

On a more serious note, I'm getting worried as RevolutioN haven't announced a new model this month!

 :-X