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General Category => Crowdfunding => Topic started by: CeeDee on February 10, 2018, 07:38:55 PM

Title: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: CeeDee on February 10, 2018, 07:38:55 PM
Anyone else here feeling frustrated with the lack of mainline Southern locos. A King Arthur / S15 would be superb addition as these locos were so widely used.

Secondly, again, as a result of a lack of a truly iconic coach: a Bulleid Brake Comp Corridor which graced the West of England lines for many years and formed the backbone of a winter Atlantic Coast Express (ACE) - to say nothing of the 2-sets "R" which, again, graced the ACE during the summer months.

Crowdfunding project anyone????
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 10, 2018, 07:53:32 PM
There are white metal kits for both, but not great unless you put a lot of work into them.  I'm going to build both soon (at the same time) for my Golden Arrow and boat train Pullman rakes.
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: CeeDee on February 10, 2018, 08:21:03 PM
There are white metal kits for both, but not great unless you put a lot of work into them.  I'm going to build both soon (at the same time) for my Golden Arrow and boat train Pullman rakes.

Yes indeed, I have built a number BCKs for two of my ACEs, some for the 2-sets "R" and five for  loose BCKs. However, when I compare my efforts with the Bachmann Bulleids.... no contest!   I also have an S15 but its on a Fleischman chassis and not a good runner especially under DCC.  That's why I am hoping others might want to club together and fund a decent loco.
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: Stuart Down Under on February 10, 2018, 09:15:01 PM
I'd be up for a couple of King Arthurs and a bunch of BCKs!
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: JohnN on February 10, 2018, 09:51:48 PM
I'd be interested in both especially as I won't be shelling out for any Bulleid light pacifics any time soon.  ::)
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 11, 2018, 12:23:06 PM
There were 4 versions of the Arthur, original Urie with LSWR cab and Urie 8 wheel tender, Maunsell  "Eastleigh" LSWR cab and Drummond 8 wheel watercart tender, "Maunsell "Scotch" SR cab Urie 8 wheel tender and a final batch from Eastleigh withe 6 wheel tenders for lines with smaller turntables.
There were also 3 versions of the S15, Urie with LSWR cab, Munsell with SR cab some with 8 wheel tenders some with 6 wheel tenders, in addition between the mid 1930s and 50s some had Drummond watercart tenders from scrapped C8 class their own 8 wheel Urie ones going to N15X  class - rebuilds of Remembrance class tanks to 4-6-0s.

So which version(s) do we want?

I've quite a few H15, N15 and S15 from kits and bashed some to give Maunsell versions with the composite loading gauge cab roofs and other details, also do  swaps with the Langley or BHE tenders;  the H15s use a Minitrix chassis which has drivers scaling to 6'; the N15 kits look dreadful on the intended Farish Chassis, I've used Peco Jubilee chassis with Union Mills tender drives + an extra pair of wheels.

The Tender drive from the Minitrix 4-6-0 will fit into the BHE N5 tender body with either a lot of filing or making slightly wider ends; the 4-6-0 chassis also needs a bit of work on the valve gear, ideally change the valve gear for a set from the Fleischmann 7160 or 7161 (availaqble as a spare)

As there are currently no RTR SR 4-6-0s  we really need to twist the arms of Farish and/or Dapol
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: Chris Morris on February 11, 2018, 03:20:51 PM
We havenít even got a West Country either rebuilt or unrebuilt. These were so much more widely used than the currently available Merchant Navy. I would be more interested in crowdfunding for one of these.
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: JohnN on February 11, 2018, 06:16:15 PM
I agree in as much as a rebuilt WC (or half a dozen of them  :D) would be my preference but is there still some likelihood that Dapol may yet build them? If there is, wouldn't that affect the viability of any alternative supply source somewhat?

My understanding was that they have paused them but not actually definitely stopped them. I stand to be corrected on this though as I don't follow all the trade news.

I have a couple of the old GF air smoothed BoBs which although are a little lacking by current standards, are, along with a couple of old GF rebuilt MNs and a class 5 representing my Southern Region mainline loco fleet at present.

But I want more!  :bounce:
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: CeeDee on February 13, 2018, 08:11:02 PM
There were 4 versions of the Arthur, original Urie with LSWR cab and Urie 8 wheel tender, Maunsell  "Eastleigh" LSWR cab and Drummond 8 wheel watercart tender, "Maunsell "Scotch" SR cab Urie 8 wheel tender and a final batch from Eastleigh withe 6 wheel tenders for lines with smaller turntables.
There were also 3 versions of the S15, Urie with LSWR cab, Munsell with SR cab some with 8 wheel tenders some with 6 wheel tenders, in addition between the mid 1930s and 50s some had Drummond watercart tenders from scrapped C8 class their own 8 wheel Urie ones going to N15X  class - rebuilds of Remembrance class tanks to 4-6-0s.

So which version(s) do we want?

I've quite a few H15, N15 and S15 from kits and bashed some to give Maunsell versions with the composite loading gauge cab roofs and other details, also do  swaps with the Langley or BHE tenders;  the H15s use a Minitrix chassis which has drivers scaling to 6'; the N15 kits look dreadful on the intended Farish Chassis, I've used Peco Jubilee chassis with Union Mills tender drives + an extra pair of wheels.

The Tender drive from the Minitrix 4-6-0 will fit into the BHE N5 tender body with either a lot of filing or making slightly wider ends; the 4-6-0 chassis also needs a bit of work on the valve gear, ideally change the valve gear for a set from the Fleischmann 7160 or 7161 (available as a spare)

As there are currently no RTR SR 4-6-0s  we really need to twist the arms of Farish and/or Dapol

The best we can hope for is any N15/S15 type which were running throughout BR days in large numbers. These will represent the 'popular' choice and hence sell well.   BR era seems to be the most popular judging by the poll on Dapol's website.
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: CeeDee on February 13, 2018, 08:17:35 PM
I agree in as much as a rebuilt WC (or half a dozen of them  :D) would be my preference but is there still some likelihood that Dapol may yet build them? If there is, wouldn't that affect the viability of any alternative supply source somewhat?

My understanding was that they have paused them but not actually definitely stopped them. I stand to be corrected on this though as I don't follow all the trade news.

I have a couple of the old GF air smoothed BoBs which although are a little lacking by current standards, are, along with a couple of old GF rebuilt MNs and a class 5 representing my Southern Region mainline loco fleet at present.

But I want more!  :bounce:

Oh, without any doubt...totally agree.  I was down to purchase five of Dapol's promised Bobs and WCs but of course that project went south..... I am modelling a fictitious mainline station in summer 1959 through which the west of England services travelled with branch line traffic to a small resort.   Thus these locos are central to the whole affair!  However, as the Arthurs and the S15s were also used extensively, these would provide variety.  I want a couple for my Meldon Quarry ballast trains.....  :(
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: Dorsetmike on February 13, 2018, 08:28:53 PM
Just a thought, what's the likely viability of having alternative cabs, LSWR and SR, the rest of the loco looks close enough for either version, the only version that might be less likely to be produced would be the "rebuilds" of Drummond G14 4-6-0s 448-457 having Watercart tenders.
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: Karhedron on February 19, 2018, 04:12:36 PM
I would be up for a BCK or two, particularly if produced by Farish (or at least, to match the rest of their range). It always struck me as odd that they missed out such a useful vehicle in the first place.
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: Mark on February 21, 2018, 10:39:39 PM
I'd definitely order a few Bulleid BCKs, King Arthur, S15, WC / BoB (both air-smoothed & rebuilt) and just about everything else suggested so far on the thread. 

On the 'other place' recently some commendably optimistic soul proposed a rtr Bulleid 4DD. Now that's something I really would like to see in N gauge.

Mark   
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: DavidE257 on April 08, 2018, 04:06:28 PM
I'd very much be up for crowd-funding a Bulleid light Pacific. I still don't really understand why Dapol haven't proceeded at least with the air-smooth version bearing in mind they were around for so long, and the lack of light Bulleids is such a glaring gap in the N Gauge market - it should pretty much guarantee sales, I would have thought.

I do wonder sometimes who it is that chooses the models that they and Bachmann/GF proceed with and why. What was the idea of doing the original Merchant Navy when they could have re-tooled the Rebuilt version, for example - a much more commercial prototype I would have thought?

The recent editorial in the N Gauge journal was quite interesting, BTW. They seemed to be applauding GF for shying away from steam locos as the steam era is 'disappearing over the horizon' - which of course ignores the modern day preservation and railtour scene, and also the fact that Bachmann has recently announced it is expanding its range of OO9 steam locos...

Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: Roy L S on April 08, 2018, 04:45:34 PM
I'd very much be up for crowd-funding a Bulleid light Pacific. I still don't really understand why Dapol haven't proceeded at least with the air-smooth version bearing in mind they were around for so long, and the lack of light Bulleids is such a glaring gap in the N Gauge market - it should pretty much guarantee sales, I would have thought.

I do wonder sometimes who it is that chooses the models that they and Bachmann/GF proceed with and why. What was the idea of doing the original Merchant Navy when they could have re-tooled the Rebuilt version, for example - a much more commercial prototype I would have thought?

The recent editorial in the N Gauge journal was quite interesting, BTW. They seemed to be applauding GF for shying away from steam locos as the steam era is 'disappearing over the horizon' - which of course ignores the modern day preservation and railtour scene, and also the fact that Bachmann has recently announced it is expanding its range of OO9 steam locos...



The comment is that of the Editor, and seems to deliberately court controversy. There is no substantiation to what is said, nor is there ever, so as such I would just disregard it. The reality from just looking at what sells out most quickly is that steam/diesel transition, 1957 to 1966/68 ish remains far and away the most popular era.

It is interesting to note that two of Bachmann's three planned steam releases, the J72 and C Class are actually pre-Grouping locos and if they weren't pretty confident of the Market for them (and the Birdcage coaches) they wouldn't be producing them.

Consider also that the Class 31 and 47 which are to have chassis modified to be DCC sound ready both have their roots firmly in the 1960s and indeed two of the planned releases are in green!

Oh, and ditto a green 3 car 108 with sound, plus of course four versions of the 8F including a sound one on the horizon and Thompson coaches too...

It is great to see the 158 being completely retooled, it is long overdue, but Bachmann are showing some astuteness and caution but modifying the tooling of the slow selling 350 to create a 3rd rail 450, and I wonder if the all new 319 might be quietly dropped if the 450 doesn't result in acceptable sales.

To be clear I would not want to see any proposed new models dropped but I simply make the point that if growth was all in the "modern" era, then models like the 350 would have flown off the shelves and we would not have seen all variants available for as little as £79.99.

Back to the subject, I suspect Dapol saying the Bullied light Pacifics are "on hold" rather than cancelled means that nobody else will risk touching them. An astute business move if not great news for the modeller.

As to the S15, a worthy prototype, but not one I would personally back.

Regards

Roy



 
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: DavidE257 on April 08, 2018, 06:34:58 PM
Roy L S - yes, the announcing of the Bulleids as being ''in abeyance" is very much a 'towels on the sun-loungers' move! Doubly disappointing, especially after they were in the catalogue for sooooo long!

I'm not 100% sure the comments of the NGS journal are just to encourage debate, he seems to genuinely believe them, there have been others in a similar vein in the last couple of years.

The other issue that seems to get him worked up is if you suggest in any way that N Gauge models shouldn't be the highest possible 'fidelity' and 100% authentic. I think the drive for microscopic detail is definitely one of the reasons why the major manufacturers seem to be struggling in this time of difficult trading conditions.

For instance I was in a shop last week looking at the GF Merchant Navy, and there were two versions - one in 'Southern' livery and one in BR Green. The Southern engine had a partial valence at the front which covers the front of the cylinders, so they must have made a different body tooling and a different cylinder tooling.

Was all that expense and effort really worth it? No wonder the cost of production/retail price is so high! I gather as well that there are differences to models such as the Dapol panniers, which have different whistle covers for different running numbers/liveries apparently. All very commendable, but commercially...

The acid test for me in N Gauge is still the PECO Jubilee - as in, is a new model as good as the PECO Jubilee? If it isn't then it isn't good enough in terms of level of detail or running qualities. Certainly the current GF and Dapol models are better in terms of detail (some of the early Chinese GF and Poole ones weren't) but what of the running qualities? The Union Mills models aren't quite as good on detail, but they run very well, so are passable to me.

I would have thought that in this era of CAD/CAM design and CNC machining that it would be relatively easy to produce a range of tender driven locos equal to or better than the Jubilee with 6-wheeled tenders, which is what most British types have, at a much lower cost than current models.

I don't really see the need to have a ground-up new design of motorised chassis for every prototype, which Dapol seem to do, and you could standardise things like the driving wheels of a given size across several prototypes without losing too much authenticity I would have thought.
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: Roy L S on April 08, 2018, 08:07:54 PM
Hi David

Well I do have to own up to being in the wanting it as accurate as possible brigade and actually think this is what had driven growth pf British N as a credible alternative to 00. I would certainly expect see through spokes (and correct wheels for a specific loco), correct wheelbase, separate handrails, underframe detail and variant specific detail differences but I do agree that these tooling complexities come at a cost.

I would also add that the peerless performance of the new generation of coreless motor chassis still blows me away BUT a great example of the approach you suggest is the reuse of the excellent Farish B1 tender drive with the exquisite J39 model, in fact if I recall correctly it is this that made the J39 viable in the first place. I am sure that there must be several other locos that tender drive could power (K3 and a decent V2 for just two).

I am not a huge fan of Dapol steam locos, I am not a fan of the cardan drive approach and  find their mechanisms somewhat agricultural by comparison to Farish, plus, in the early days extremely cheap and nasty.

For a long time the Peco Jubilee was untouchable, easily the best in British N and arguably held this mantle until the Farish Jubilee came along. I still have two, both repainted into BR Green by Fred Hempsall, they still look very good and were certainly way ahead of their time when released in 1969. There are well designed and strong reliable runners, but do have their flaws, in particular wear to the tender chassis block. I can understand why you would choose to use them as a benchmark given your preferences, but I guess mine for now remains the simply exquisite Farish Ivatt 2MT, that really is where the state of the art is right now, two of mine are even sound fitted - quite incredible.

Lastly, please don't for a second think I am knocking other people's preferences, Union Mills in particular has made a great success of affordable models using a generic tender drive that are solid, reliable and quite reasonable if limited in detail representations of the real thing. I still have five or six including a J38 which is chipped and has had a few bits of detailing work done. It looks a bit basic next to the Farish J39 but I am more than happy to run it on my layout. Horses for courses I think?

All the best.

Roy
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: CliveH on April 09, 2018, 07:48:25 AM
King Arthurs and the like just a smidge too early for me. I was set to buy every late crest BB/WC that Dapol produced (and a few more just to get late crest tenders behind the others), so I'd certainly give crowdfunding those some serious thought.  My money's on Dapol, having dropped the model with the slightly odd explanation that they don't have the engineering competence to make the chassis work, never returning to it. But what do I know?

Cheers
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: Atso on April 09, 2018, 09:08:28 AM
Surprising, a good quality model of a King Arthur would be of interest to me. Sir Brian was tested on the ECML in 1928 along with two 'River' class tanks following the Sevenoaks accident and (I believe) ran between Kings Cross and Potters Bar for several weeks. I believe that this was before the 'Arthur's' received smoke deflectors though - yet another tooling variation in what is quite a complex class of locomotives?

The location of the union link/combination lever, right over the bottom of the crosshead and running parallel (and over the top of) the bottom slide bar, could prove interesting to get clearances in N gauge. I can't think of another locomotive off the top of my head where the union link was placed this high.
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: MinZaPint on April 09, 2018, 11:11:08 AM
Another vote for an Arthur/S15 and like several others here I am very disappointed with Dapol's decision on the WC/BoB  :(
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: CarriageShed on April 09, 2018, 01:24:44 PM
...I believe that this was before the 'Arthur's' received smoke deflectors though - yet another tooling variation in what is quite a complex class of locomotives?

That would have been right on the cusp of smoke deflectors being fitted. The N15s were the first SR class to get them, with the rest following on from a couple of years later.

With me modelling 1929/30, the N15 with the deflectors is okay, but if my Dapol Schools hadn't been returned, that would have lost its deflectors. No extra tooling needed for that. They either unclip or could be easily removed in a more permanent fashion.
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: DavidE257 on April 09, 2018, 07:58:36 PM
Roy - for me the 'state of the art' is Dapol Q1, which to me looks more authentic than the 'OO' Hornby version! It's a shame Dapol are so variable in quality control terms, I bought an Ivatt 2-6-2 from Hattons that was terrible, it just didn't work properly - it couldn't negotiate a single set of points, and went straight back.

They are capable of some howlers on the engineering front as well, the top speed of the M7 is hilarious! many a Scalextric car would love to go that fast, little wonder they're so iffy at low speed, the gear ratios are completely wrong.

I definitely agree that the authenticity of the new generation of models is encouraging people to take up 'N', the rather toy-like qualities of some of the Poole GF models was rather off-putting to many.

Let's hope the 'majors' can weather the storm and the rise in £ brings a few things like the Bulleids to fruition!

Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: Bob G on April 10, 2018, 11:16:17 AM
Another vote for an Arthur/S15 and like several others here I am very disappointed with Dapol's decision on the WC/BoB  :(
And another vote, for any SR 4-6-0 really....
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: JimSan on April 25, 2018, 11:10:07 PM
Will use my first post on these forums to add in, wouldn't mind a Southern 4-6-0 as well or anything Southern in general really (more than what we've got already), currently looking into getting stuff made via 3D printing if can find the models or commission someone to do them in the mean time with the lack of RTR Southern engines.
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: CarriageShed on April 26, 2018, 09:28:24 AM
Will use my first post on these forums to add in, wouldn't mind a Southern 4-6-0 as well or anything Southern in general really (more than what we've got already), currently looking into getting stuff made via 3D printing if can find the models or commission someone to do them in the mean time with the lack of RTR Southern engines.

With a bit of kit-building or hacking, you can already build up quite a collection of SR locos.
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: Newportnobby on April 26, 2018, 10:25:40 AM
the lack of RTR Southern engines.


@JimSan (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6721)
Off the top of my head there are the:-
3MT 2-6-2T
4MT 2-6-4T
4MT 2-6-0 tender loco
N Class 2-6-0
C Class 0-6-0 tender loco (forthcoming)
5MT 4-6-0
MN 4-6-2
Schools 4-4-0
Q1 0-6-0 tender loco
Ivatt 2-6-2T

More would be nice, though.
Welcome to the forum BTW :wave:
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: CarriageShed on April 26, 2018, 11:22:17 AM
Plus there are white metal kits and RTRs for:

Urie Class N15 4-6-0 (BH Enterprises kit)
Urie Class S15 4-6-0 (Langley Models kit)
Drummond Class T9 4-4-0 (Union Mills RTR)
Wainwright Class L 4-4-0 (N Brass Loco etched kit)
Maunsell Class L1 4-4-0 (Graham Hughes kit, available secondhand)
Drummond Class 700 0-6-0 (Union Mills RTR)
Adams Class 0395 (Union Mills RTR)
Wainwright Class C 0-6-0 (N Brass Loco etched kit)
Maunsell Class Z 0-8-0T (GEM kit, availability new uncertain, secondhand still possible)
Billinton Class E5 0-6-2T (Langley Models kit)
Billinton Class E2 0-6-0T (Langley Models kit)
Adams Class G6 0-6-0T (N Brass Loco etched kit)
Adams Class B4 0-4-0T (Peco-Wills kit, available secondhand)

And there are a few hacks that I know of:

Remembrance Class L 4-6-4T (Del Prado body on a Poole Graham Farish Black 5 chassis)
Dapol Terrier converted to LSWR No 735 (parts from N Brass Loco)
Drummond Class K10 4-4-0 (Union Mills T9, with parts from N Brass Loco)
Drummond Class L11 4-4-0 (Union Mills T9, with parts from N Brass Loco)

That's not a bad list of options...
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: JimSan on April 26, 2018, 12:06:34 PM
the lack of RTR Southern engines.

@JimSan ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6721[/url])
Off the top of my head there are the:-
-snip-
More would be nice, though.
Welcome to the forum BTW :wave:

Have got bout half of those already, and some others lined up when I've got the money and space for them heh, also cheers for the welcome.

Maunsell Class Z 0-8-0T (GEM kit, availability new uncertain, secondhand still possible)

This was one which I was considering getting someone to 3D print for me, as was trying to find the website again to check the price only to find that they've closed for now and not had much luck finding the kit elsewhere. Though with that list of kits, will give me more to get round to cobbling together when I've got the time heh.
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: joe cassidy on April 26, 2018, 12:12:01 PM
Don't forget the Dapol M7 !
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: Newportnobby on April 26, 2018, 12:13:35 PM
the lack of RTR Southern engines.

@JimSan ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6721[/url])
Off the top of my head there are the:-
-snip-
More would be nice, though.
Welcome to the forum BTW :wave:

Have got bout half of those already, and some others lined up when I've got the money and space for them heh, also cheers for the welcome.



I model on an Oxford area based layout and have all the ones I listed (except for the C class but that will be rectified when it emerges) as I can justify them all appearing in the vicinity but I really, really do want the BoB spam can (and maybe a rebuilt one too)

Thanks Joe. I forgot that one as I haven't got one. That really is pushing it for Oxfordshire!!
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: DavidE257 on April 26, 2018, 01:04:04 PM
Interesting list of 'Southern' engines!

The problem I think is that most of those are white metal kits, some of which were quite poor, and the availability of suitable chassis is of the 'hen's teeth' variety for some of them...

Also if you're modelling the Southern post-1962, which is what I'd like to do, most of the pre-grouping and early SR classes were withdrawn at the end of the year - including the Schools and M7s.

You could add the GWR 57XX panniers to the list while you're at it (ECS from Waterloo) by the way...
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: Bob G on April 26, 2018, 01:15:35 PM
And dont forget

SR USA tanks (Finelines kit, plus 3D print)

LMS Fairburn 2-6-4Ts around the Brighton line and ECS from Waterloo. Ivatt 2MTs replacing M7s on branch duties.
GW Manors Granges Halls and hopefully Moguls down to Southampton via Reading or the old GW line to Winchester, 61xx prairies as far as Basingstoke

BR Britannias on Golden Arrow (early crest) and 9Fs on Fawley oil trains 1962-63 including six shedded at Eastleigh.
Title: Re: Crowd funding a BR (SR) King Arthur /S15 class or Bulleid BCK coach
Post by: DavidE257 on April 26, 2018, 10:50:17 PM
...Manors and Collett Moguls were definitely on the North Downs line and you could include BR 9Fs on Fawley oil trains coming off the Didcot, Newbury and Southampton line...

Football specials and Railtours don't count - so that rules out the Gresley Pacifics!

Just remembered - the V2s ran on the Southern when the Merchant Navys were withdrawn for a while in 1953 after the Crewkerne incident, so they're in!  :thumbsup: