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Title: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on December 29, 2017, 12:54:44 AM
Welcome to the Long Valley Industrial Railroad. In 1980 Conrail submitted an application to the ICC to abandon the Midland Secondary and the Long Valley Branch. The local industries in Long Valley wishing to maintain rail shipments, purchased the Long Valley Branch and enough of the Midland Secondary to maintain rail service on the Long Valley Branch from Conrail. When the contract was signed with Conrail, a MP15DC was leased from a local short line and a second hand caboose was purchased in order to maintain rail service on the new Long Valley Industrial Railroad.

Midland Interchange Yard.
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Vulcan Steel Fabricating Metal receiving Shed and Scrap yard. 
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Medusa Cement Silos and Snyder Box
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Over view of layout. Notice the coal loader at Midland Interchange yard has been removed.
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Track Layout created using Atlas Right Track Software.
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Operations track chart of the Long Valley Industrial Railroad.
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Even though this layout looks like a simple loop on a hollow core door, I operate the layout as if were a Point to Point railroad. When looking at the layout, image cutting the rail at the highway crossing and bending both sections straight. Therefore, you only have seven car lengths plus a locomotive between the Long Valley Jct. switch and end of track on the Midland Interchange Yard side of the layout. And you have 8 cars and a locomotive head room on the Long Valley side of the layout near the Vulcan Steel Fabricating plant. Verbal authority is granted by the dispatcher to the Long Valley crew to occupy the Long Valley Industrial track. The dispatcher is located in the Midland Interchange Yard Office.

The day begins with Conrail delivering all inbound cars to the Midland Interchange yard. This is my open staging yard. The Long Valley Crew then places their caboose on the end of the train, runs around the cars and pushes the train out past the Long Valley Jct switch. The train then proceeds to Long Valley to service the local industries. When finished in Long Valley, the crew places the caboose on the end of the train and the locomotive then leads the outbound cars back to the Long Valley Jct. The outbound cars are then placed on the interchange track and the Locomotive and caboose is tied down at the yard office, ending the operating session.

I hope you have enjoyed your tour of the Long Valley Industrial railroad.   

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Train Waiting on December 29, 2017, 08:56:02 AM
Hello Rich

Thank you for this very informative post and for these super photographs.  I certainly enjoyed my tour of the Long Valley Industrial Railroad.  Looking at your photographs, I was greatly impressed by the believable scene that you have created.  I was reminded of the V&O and Midland Road.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Newportnobby on December 29, 2017, 10:00:03 AM
Great job, Rich. I like it a lot :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Bealman on December 29, 2017, 10:04:04 AM
You've got a fan club here, mate!  :beers:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on December 29, 2017, 12:08:02 PM
Great layout, keep us posted 8)
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: dats475 on December 29, 2017, 05:47:06 PM
Fantastic operation, Rich!
Your layout is the proof of a smaller pike can be operated as realistically as a larger counterparts.
And an oval track arrangement can be good as point to point arrangements.
Thank you for the operation information, Rich!

Question:
I've been using switch lists method that driven from car cards and waybills system.
But for me, it's a somewhat cumbersome way.
What is the most simple way to randomly generate switch lists?
Can I do it without computer programs?

By the way, your scenery is amazing, Rich.
And those ballasted tracks!! Just fantastic!!

Dats


Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on December 29, 2017, 09:27:58 PM

Question:
I've been using switch lists method that driven from car cards and waybills system.
But for me, it's a somewhat cumbersome way.
What is the most simple way to randomly generate switch lists?
Can I do it without computer programs?

By the way, your scenery is amazing, Rich.
And those ballasted tracks!! Just fantastic!!

Dats


Hi Dats, Thank you for the compliments on the scenery and ballast. 

   If you want to use Switch lists without car cards or waybills, you can just randomly pick cars from your car storage location, mine is a box that sits under my table.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6318-291217202048.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59866)

And add the car information to your Switch List as you place that car in your yard.

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Mine is pretty simple, since I can only have 5 inbound and 5 outbound cars per movement. 

Now Dats if you want to get really fancy, you can create a Employee timetable for your layout.

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Yes Dats, my children are all grown, moved away and I have a lot of free time on my hands  :smiley-laughing:


Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: bluedepot on December 29, 2017, 11:38:15 PM
nice layout!

cheers for posting pics and explanation


Tim
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: dats475 on December 30, 2017, 10:44:37 AM
Hi Rich

Thank you very much for the information!
I'm getting lazy everyday so I just want to use only a switch list when I in my closet.
(Less paper work is better for me since my average train length is whopping 4cars!!)
That's a great idea to write special instructions though.
I have a bunch of stuff that don't make operational sense but the special instructions might help dictate them "That's the way it is. Obey the rule!" kind of thing.  :D
I heard that Espee used SPINS diagrams so I might try drawing similar thing along with special instructions. (you gave me a great idea!)

I need to attend your book of rule class,  Rich!
Thank you again!

Dats
P.S. So many goodies in the box!  :drool:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on December 30, 2017, 10:48:40 PM

P.S. So many goodies in the box!  :drool:



Hi Dats, You are welcome for the suggestions and ideas. As for the box, yes that is 28 years worth of collecting N scale stuff.  I also have 22 years worth of collecting HO stuff in 2 separate boxes in the attic.  :doh:  I was an HO modeler before switching over to N scale in 1989.

A little off subject, but here is a picture of my first HO scale train set that was given to me as a Christmas present in 1967.
 
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Here is the instruction sheet for the locomotive.

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Now back to our regularly scheduled topic  :smiley-laughing:

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Title: Rule Book Class
Post by: Rich_S on December 30, 2017, 11:58:07 PM

I need to attend your book of rule class,  Rich!

Dats



Hi Dats,
   Here is your Rule Book Class on the Long Valley Industrial Railroad.

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You are now qualified as a Brakeman on the Long Valley Industrial Railroad  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: dats475 on December 31, 2017, 03:32:06 AM
Wow, Rich!

It looks like a real special instructions!
Contents and the way it's written and even paper size is a real thing!
It has a lot of information.
I won't see big 6 axle nor auotracks on the line.
I don't need to deal with the Dispatcher. Etc..
Yes, sir! I'm qualified on the line now.
If engineer forget those speed restrictions, I'm ready to pull a dump valve. Never know who is watching! (Well, I should tell the engineer first.)
And if I forget to line a switch as instructions said, I'll blame the Conductor.  :D
I also make sure that equipments are not fouling as per instructions.
Can I hold a regular job with my newbie seniority there? Or I have to be in the extra list for awhile?
I can't wait for the Conductor promotion test!

For my layout, I operate myself so technically speaking I really don't need the special instructions but nice to see all operational condition in clear manner like that!
I want to write a special instructions for my layout now!
Did you use a word software to write yours?

I'm totally impressed about the way you run the layout.
You said that you operate your layout. You weren't kidding, you're REALLY operating it!!
Thank you very much for sharing this. I'm learning a lot!!
If you have more tips for solo operation, please share with me.

Dats




Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on December 31, 2017, 02:42:49 PM
Dats

I use dice to randomly generate traffic for my railroad; and extention of one of my MHRR videos on Youtube!

Rich, I think your layout is great.  I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that if you want to extend the run on your loop layout, you decide say that twenty circuits of the layout means the train has travelled enough distance that it's now left the layout.  It's what I used to do on my original Montrose and Highland Railroad layout which was called "Crane Heights".

Happy New Year!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on January 01, 2018, 12:40:44 AM
Wow, Rich!

It looks like a real special instructions!
Contents and the way it's written and even paper size is a real thing!
It has a lot of information.
I won't see big 6 axle nor auotracks on the line.
I don't need to deal with the Dispatcher. Etc..
Yes, sir! I'm qualified on the line now.
If engineer forget those speed restrictions, I'm ready to pull a dump valve. Never know who is watching! (Well, I should tell the engineer first.)
And if I forget to line a switch as instructions said, I'll blame the Conductor.  :D
I also make sure that equipments are not fouling as per instructions.
Can I hold a regular job with my newbie seniority there? Or I have to be in the extra list for awhile?
I can't wait for the Conductor promotion test!

For my layout, I operate myself so technically speaking I really don't need the special instructions but nice to see all operational condition in clear manner like that!
I want to write a special instructions for my layout now!
Did you use a word software to write yours?

I'm totally impressed about the way you run the layout.
You said that you operate your layout. You weren't kidding, you're REALLY operating it!!
Thank you very much for sharing this. I'm learning a lot!!
If you have more tips for solo operation, please share with me.

Dats

Hi Dats, Yes, I used Microsoft Word 2010 to create my Employee Timetable. I then print it out on my HP ink jet printer. There is an option in MS-Word that allows you to print the odd pages, then you reinsert the paper back into the printer and print the even pages on the back of the odd pages. Then it's just a simple matter of folding in half and adding staples.

You're in luck the good news is, even though you are a newbie you're number 1 on the roster.  The bad news is, all jobs are extra board jobs and the pay is one can of Pepsi and a small bag of Snyder's potato chips.  :laugh:

   
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on January 01, 2018, 01:04:38 AM
Dats

I use dice to randomly generate traffic for my railroad; and extention of one of my MHRR videos on Youtube!

Rich, I think your layout is great.  I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that if you want to extend the run on your loop layout, you decide say that twenty circuits of the layout means the train has travelled enough distance that it's now left the layout.  It's what I used to do on my original Montrose and Highland Railroad layout which was called "Crane Heights".

Happy New Year!

Andy
UK


Hi Andy, That is the unique thing about my layout. Scenery wise it's pretty generic. From time to time my layout will go though an identity crisis, it may become the Pittsburgh & West Virginia Long Valley branch, the Pittsburgh & Lake Erie Long Valley branch, the Southern railway Long Valley branch, the Pennsylvania railroad Long Valley branch or the Ann Arbor Long Valley branch. When that happens, I actually do as you've said, the train leaves the Midland Interchange yard and makes one entire loop around the layout, reaching the town of Long Valley. When the work is completed in Long Valley, the caboose is placed on the other end of the train and the train must make one complete loop in the opposite direction to re-enter the Midland Interchange yard.   You know the old saying, "Variety is the spice of life" Having the layout change identities from time to time keeps it interesting.
 
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(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6318-010118005938.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60034)

I have a few others, but those are the major players  :)
Wishing everyone a Safe and Happy New Year and Happy modeling in 2018  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on January 01, 2018, 09:48:43 AM
Great photos there Rich! 

Andy
UK
Title: A Surprise Visit
Post by: Rich_S on January 12, 2018, 02:49:49 PM
For Immediate Press Release: Date April 1987, With great pleasure the Altoona Railroaders Museum in conjunction with Conrail has awarded the Long Valley Industrial Railroad with the honor of testing newly restored PRR K4 1361 on a month long shake down run. Along with Pennsylvania Railroad K4 1361, the museum also restored PRR N5c Caboose 477983. Conrail caboose 21155 has been fitted with test and monitoring equipment to keep track of the Pacific during its shakedown run on the Long Valley Industrial Railroad.

Signed The management of the Long Valley Industrial Railroad.

Here we see PRR K4 1361 being delivered to the Midland Interchange yard by Conrail GP38-2 8113.
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After a job briefing between the K4 advisory team and the Long Valley Industrial Railroad crew, the PRR cabin car is placed on the end of the train, the K4 runs around the train and pushes the train out to Long Valley Junction, for the short run to Long Valley.

Here we see the K4 arriving tender first at the Long Valley Interlocking tower. The crew must stop at this tower to notify the Long Valley Industrial Railroad dispatcher located at the Midland Yard office building, that they have arrived at Long Valley. The crew will also call the dispatcher from the tower before leaving Long Valley.

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Here we see the crew working the local industries in Long Valley. So far the locomotive is working flawlessly.

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Once the local industries were all switched, the train was reassembled, the dispatcher was notified and the train heads back to Midland Interchange Yard.

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After the cars were spotted on the interchange track and the locomotive was tied down, the crews met once again for another Job Briefing to discuss any issues they had during the day. Everyone concluded the first day was a success.

Thank you for joining in on the first run of the newly restored Pennsylvania Railroad K4 Pacific 1361.


Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Train Waiting on January 12, 2018, 03:54:41 PM
Thank you, Rich, for inviting me to join you at this fabulous event.  It was difficult to find the time as I am getting married next month, but I managed to escape for the day.  And what a day: the 1361 certainly is a magnificent locomotive.

Thank you for the excellent photographs.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: dats475 on January 12, 2018, 05:46:58 PM
Woooooo, nice locomotive!!
How are you doing, Rich.
You must be busy with the special guest!
Now we know that the Long Valley trackages and the crews can handle a steam locomotive, do they have any plans to host excursion trains in the future?
If they do, I'd like to ride one
Railfan must be very happy with a variety of engine running on the line!
:camera:
Thank you for sharing, Rich!

John, congratulations!!
:beers:
Do you have a chance to ride some trains on the honeymoon trip?

Data
P.S. I just wondering, why steam locomotive's cab Windows are often painted in red?  :hmmm:
Title: A Wedding Wish to John.
Post by: Rich_S on January 12, 2018, 08:13:09 PM
Thank you, Rich, for inviting me to join you at this fabulous event.  It was difficult to find the time as I am getting married next month, but I managed to escape for the day.  And what a day: the 1361 certainly is a magnificent locomotive.

Thank you for the excellent photographs.

With best wishes.

John
Hi John, We were glad to have you aboard. Also best wishes to you and your bride to be, as you build your new lives together. Wishing you both a lifetime of love and happiness.



Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on January 12, 2018, 08:21:43 PM
Woooooo, nice locomotive!!
How are you doing, Rich.
You must be busy with the special guest!
Now we know that the Long Valley trackages and the crews can handle a steam locomotive, do they have any plans to host excursion trains in the future?
If they do, I'd like to ride one
Railfan must be very happy with a variety of engine running on the line!
:camera:
Thank you for sharing, Rich!

John, congratulations!!
:beers:
Do you have a chance to ride some trains on the honeymoon trip?

Data
P.S. I just wondering, why steam locomotive's cab Windows are often painted in red?  :hmmm:

Hi Dats, I do not know why they painted the cab windows on steam locomotives red? Some were wood, wonder if it was something to protect the wood?
As for fan trips, we'll have to see if the Long Valley Industrial Railroad can afford to purchase the passenger equipment.
That purchase would have to be approved by my purchasing agent, aka my wife and right now she's telling me the railroad is operating in the RED, so it might be awhile  :smiley-laughing:

   
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: port perran on January 12, 2018, 08:40:16 PM
What lovely pictures of a great layout.
No 1361 is indeed an impressive machine.
I’ve somehow missed this thread but will keep an eye on  it from now on.
Title: Re: A Wedding Wish to John.
Post by: Train Waiting on January 12, 2018, 09:26:21 PM
Thank you, Rich, for inviting me to join you at this fabulous event.  It was difficult to find the time as I am getting married next month, but I managed to escape for the day.  And what a day: the 1361 certainly is a magnificent locomotive.

Thank you for the excellent photographs.

With best wishes.

John
Hi John, We were glad to have you aboard. Also best wishes to you and your bride to be, as you build your new lives together. Wishing you both a lifetime of love and happiness.

Thank you very much Rich.

Yes it has been, thank you.

Love, happiness, model railways (and some full-size railways!) for the past 30 and a bit years.  Here's to the next 30!

Thanks again and all best wishes.

John

PS The 'Wedding kilt' still fits and is worn from time to time!  My late father-in-law insisted that my kilt was the same tartan as his.
Title: Re: A Wedding Wish to John.
Post by: Rich_S on January 13, 2018, 12:48:25 AM

PS The 'Wedding kilt' still fits and is worn from time to time!  My late father-in-law insisted that my kilt was the same tartan as his.


John, You've done better than I, my Wedding Tuxedo no longer fits. I've put on 50 lbs. in the last 30 years. The wife is a very good cook   :claphappy:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on January 13, 2018, 12:59:24 AM
What lovely pictures of a great layout.
No 1361 is indeed an impressive machine.
I’ve somehow missed this thread but will keep an eye on  it from now on.


Hi Port Perran, Thank you for the compliments and thank you for including the photos of your layout, nicely done.
I've often thought of modeling a port scene like in your Trepol Bay photo, but more along the lines of Thatcher's Inlet.

http://www.hon30.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/thatchers.pdf (http://www.hon30.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/thatchers.pdf)

Who knows, maybe my next layout?


Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Webbo on January 13, 2018, 02:43:35 AM
Great photos Rich

I've always thought that the K4 is a very nicely proportioned steam locomotive. I'm envious. Buying one of these would be stretching Rule 1 quite a ways for me, but I have been known to break down.

As far as your wife's cooking goes, remember the perfect shape is a sphere (at least I'm working on that assumption as are many of us).

Webbo

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on January 14, 2018, 09:10:50 AM
 :laughabovepost:

Spheroid in stature?  I think there's a few of us in that boat, Webbo.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on August 16, 2018, 11:21:44 PM
Nothing major to report on the Long Valley Branch, other than the P&WV has now been leased by the N&W and the current date is now June 10th, 1968. Penn Central is now only 6 months old and Penn Central rolling stock is beginning to appear on the various Northeast railroads including the Long Valley Branch of the N&W railroad.


I was able to catch the Long Valley Local working the Vulcan Steel Fabricating plant in Long Valley today. 
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The thread on the crane that is suppose to represent the cables looks OK to my eyes, but when viewed in photos, it looks like it's fraying and coming apart? I'm not sure how to fix this situation?
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Webbo on August 17, 2018, 12:45:09 AM
You're right about what the photo does to the thread. But, until I went looking for it, I didn't see the problem. So, no worries I say. That's a fine looking crane by the way.

Webbo
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Bealman on August 17, 2018, 12:49:30 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't have noticed that either if you hadn't told me about it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: dats475 on August 17, 2018, 12:56:42 AM
Hi Rich

Looking great!!
I have to learn how to do with quality like your layout.
The thread of crane look fine to me but if you bother with it, why don't you try go over fingers with diluted White glue or something.
Don't rely on this. I don't know what I'm talking about.
Oh, how about using fishing thread? Don't they made out of plastic thing?
I was thinking of using it as utility pole wires.
Then I saw EZ Wire advertisement and some reason I forgot about all of them.

Anyway please keep me updated, Rich!!

Dats
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on August 17, 2018, 07:44:07 PM
Me neither Rich.  Don't be concerned.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on August 17, 2018, 10:10:28 PM
Thanks guys for the vote of support.

Dats, You are too kind, I'm actually trying to do modeling as good as what you are doing on the Closet branch.

Andy, The count down has begun, I'll see in you in a month at Horseshoe curve. Hopefully Dats can join us at the curve?

Webbo, To bad you can't join us at the curve, but this is just the way things go sometimes.

Who knows maybe in a few years the moon and the stars will all align properly and we'll all be able to meet at the Curve for a day of rail fanning?
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on August 19, 2018, 03:31:54 PM
Rich and Dats

I have Wednesday 19th September in mind for our meet up at the Curve.  Probably get there early morning.  I believe the "Pennsylvanian" Amtrak train goes past about 10pm Eastern, so I'd like to see that, and then maybe we can go to Galitzin, Cresson or wherever to find those places that Arry and I have no idea how to get to!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on August 19, 2018, 09:26:45 PM
Rich and Dats

I have Wednesday 19th September in mind for our meet up at the Curve.  Probably get there early morning.  I believe the "Pennsylvanian" Amtrak train goes past about 10pm Eastern, so I'd like to see that, and then maybe we can go to Galitzin, Cresson or wherever to find those places that Arry and I have no idea how to get to!

Andy
UK


Hi Andy, I'm hoping to be at the Curve Wednesday September the 19th between 9:00 and 9:30 AM. I've ridden the Amtrak Pennsylvanian and can tell you we left Pittsburgh promptly at 7:30 AM and arrived Altoona at 10:00 AM, so we probably rounded the curve around 9:45 AM. Andy, If you arrive at the curve at 10:00 AM you'll probably miss the Pennsylvanian Amtrak Train #42 on it's Eastbound trip to New York City. Amtrak Train #43 the Westbound Pennsylvanian arrives Altoona at 5:00 PM, so it probably rounds the curve around 5:15 PM. Also remember we are currently on Daylight Savings Time (Eastern Time Zone) so there is currently a 5 hour time difference, aka my computer tells me it's currently 9:22 PM in London, whereas here in the Pittsburgh area it's 4:22 PM.

I'm looking forward to meeting you guys at the curve on Wednesday 19 September 2018.

If I can remember, I'll try to wear this red NS jersey to the curve.
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6318-190818212545.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68293)

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Webbo on August 20, 2018, 03:05:51 AM
Wish I was able to meet up with you guys at the Curve. Close but no cigar!

However, my wife and I plan a day train trip to Washington from New York - on the Acela going and on the Northeast Regional on the way back.

Hope you, Andy, and Dats have a great day on the 19th.

Webbo
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on August 20, 2018, 09:00:35 PM
We wish you were going to be there as well Webbo.

 :(

Thank you for your best wishes!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: mr magnolia on August 21, 2018, 08:55:09 AM
toot toot guys!

enjoy.

lets hope its a lucky horseshoe.

Donald
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on April 13, 2019, 12:08:35 AM
It's been quite some time since I've last reported on the Long Valley branch. Nothing new to report. Also a follow up on our Horseshoe curve adventure 19 September 2018. It was a great day for train spotting and it was a real pleasure to meet Andy and Arry.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/6318-130419000118.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76130)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/6318-130419000241.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76131)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/6318-130419000532.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76132)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/6318-130419000635.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76133)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/6318-130419000729.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76134)
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: dats475 on April 13, 2019, 07:00:06 PM
Hi Rich.  :wave:

Great photos!
I haven't done any train watching yet so it'll be in my bucket list.
I'm impressed how nice those pictures are. But I'm more impressed how handsome you guys are!  :thumbsup:
Keep your post coming please!

Dats
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on April 13, 2019, 07:53:59 PM
Hi Rich.  :wave:

Great photos!
I haven't done any train watching yet so it'll be in my bucket list.
I'm impressed how nice those pictures are. But I'm more impressed how handsome you guys are!  :thumbsup:
Keep your post coming please!

Dats

Hi Dats, Thank you for the compliments on the photos. They bottom few photos were taken from the visitor center entrance. From the entrance you ride a tram up to track level. The viewing park at track level is where the top picture of Andy, Arry and myself was taken.

Mark your calendar now for the Altoona N scale Weekend, August 3 & 4th. 2019.

https://www.n-scaleweekend.com/ (https://www.n-scaleweekend.com/)

I'm planning on attending Saturday August 3rd. If you can make it, we could always head up to horseshoe curve for some train watching. Start saving your pennies now, there's a wide selection of N scale products for sale at the convention.


Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on April 16, 2019, 12:39:59 AM
Speaking of GP40's ( Hi Dats  :wave: )  Look what showed up today in Long Valley, a Western Maryland GP40 in the Trail Blazer ( Circus ) paint scheme.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/6318-160419002744.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76252)

This is an Atlas GP40 that I painted several years ago using Polly Scale paint, Micro-Scale decals and detail parts from BLMA and Detail Associates.

 
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: dats475 on April 18, 2019, 12:48:55 AM
Awesome paint work, Rich!!
Did you paint it with an airbrush?
I tried to paint two colors like you did but mine was always came out bleaching colors.  :dunce:
And a lot of brush stroke marks.(I don't have an airbrush.)
Keep your photos coming please!  :admiration:

Dats
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on April 18, 2019, 01:33:14 AM
Awesome paint work, Rich!!
Did you paint it with an airbrush?
I tried to paint two colors like you did but mine was always came out bleaching colors.  :dunce:
And a lot of brush stroke marks.(I don't have an airbrush.)
Keep your photos coming please!  :admiration:

Dats

Hi Dats, Yes I have a Badger single action air brush. I've had it for years along with a small air compressor. When painting two colors, you have to start with the lightest color first. Let it dry for a good 24 hours, mask it and paint the lighter color over the seam of the masking tape and let that dry for another 24 hours. Then paint the darker color.

I use that method for my P&WV H16-44 and WM GP40. 

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/6318-180419012014.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76295)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/6318-180419012126.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76296)

All the other locomotives and rolling stock I've painted were a single color, so nothing fancy painting them. The secret Dats is using an air brush to get a light and even coat of paint on the model. Thanks for the compliments on the Wild Mary Geep 40  :thumbsup:

I'll leave you with one of my HO scale SW1500's I painted years ago. This is a Cary body shell on an Athearn frame.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/76/6318-180419013255.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=76298)
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 06, 2019, 12:18:43 AM
The Long Valley Branch has been featured in a Youtube video by my friend DJ on his DJ Trains channel.



Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Webbo on June 06, 2019, 12:32:12 AM
This is a very nicely done overview of your fine layout, Rich.

It is quite remarkable how much you have managed to fit on a door without making it look cluttered.

Webbo
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 06, 2019, 12:47:31 AM
This is a very nicely done overview of your fine layout, Rich.

It is quite remarkable how much you have managed to fit on a door without making it look cluttered.

Webbo

Thank you Webbo for the compliments on the layout and video. The funny part, DJ just stopped by one day for a visit, I had no idea he was planning on adding the video to his YouTube channel.  :doh:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Tom Edwards on June 16, 2019, 04:57:39 AM
Nice video, Rich!

Now I can visualize what's going on where when you post still shots.

I also started out with a hollow core door, pretty much finished that module (ala The One Module Approach from Model Railroad Hobbyist fame) and then I added two more smaller chunks. One of these days I'll get around to doing some photos that I can upload here.

Keep up the good work!

--- Tom
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Lawrence on June 16, 2019, 06:12:07 AM
Nice to see the layout in all it's glory Rich, some lovely attention to detail and scenic/weathering work  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 16, 2019, 08:47:16 PM
Thank you Tom and Lawrence for your kind words and yes, please post photos of your layout. As you can see or maybe can't see in DJ's video, I do not have any room for expansion at the present time. But I'm not complaining, the Long Valley Branch keeps me busy.  :)
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: mr magnolia on June 17, 2019, 08:10:09 PM
You have an interesting looking track cleaning car Rich.
What are you running?

Donald
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: grumbeast on June 17, 2019, 08:57:33 PM
Looking great Rich,

 you've managed to achieve a very open and natural feel to the layout and I really like your open / hidden / scenicked staging
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 17, 2019, 10:59:12 PM
You have an interesting looking track cleaning car Rich.
What are you running?

Donald

Hi Donald, The track cleaning car is the Centerline Products N scale Model #2 car. The roller has been removed and replaced with a piece of Walthers Bright Boy Track Cleaner cut to size. If a little extra cleaning is needed, simply add the Centerline Products roller on top of the Bright Boy.

Here's another photo of the track cleaning car.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/6318-170619225311.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78629)

The second car is the Centerline Products Model #D12 with the "Handi Wipes" Reusable Cloth wrapped Roller.

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: mr magnolia on June 19, 2019, 09:21:06 AM
 :very interesting - thanks Rich.

I’m always got an eye out for the magic cleaning that will allow my track to lie idle for weeks but then miraculously work without any input. Battery drives are the answer but not tackled that yet.
Donald
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 21, 2019, 01:06:10 AM
Hi Donald, If the layout has been idle, I'll have the locomotive push the track cleaning car, instead of pulling it. I've not had any issues with my track cleaning car, pushing or pulling it. As I mentioned above; if a little extra cleaning is required, place the center line roller on top of the bright boy for that little bit of extra cleaning action.

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: grumbeast on June 21, 2019, 03:52:22 PM
Hi Rich,

Do you use a bit of goo-gone on the roller?  I tend to and it seems to work fine.
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 21, 2019, 09:07:53 PM
Hi Rich,

Do you use a bit of goo-gone on the roller?  I tend to and it seems to work fine.

At first I used Goo-Gone on the Handi-wipe roller on the front track cleaner and ran the second one dry. The theory in my mind was, the first track cleaning car used the Goo-Gone to scrub the rails and the track cleaner with the dry roller helped pick up any remaining residue. Now that I'm using the piece of Bright Boy in the first track cleaning car, I'm still running the second track cleaning car with a dry Handi-wipes roller. I figure it helps dust off the rails after the passage of the Bright Boy. Quite often I'll also run the Bright Boy cleaning car in the train, without the second car. It seems to keep the rails polished and eliminates dirt. I think the dry system is working better than the IPA or Goo Gone methods, plus I've also converted more of the fleet to metal wheels which seems to help.   
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Tom Edwards on June 27, 2019, 07:54:20 AM
Rich - Interesting idea about putting that chunk of Bright-Boy into the track cleaning car. I might have to try that. I've been using the old Masonite approach, putting a piece of that on the end of a stick and running that around the track. It works pretty well getting the gunk off of the tracks, but the track cleaning car idea would automate the process.

Any more labor saving ideas?  :beers:

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 27, 2019, 08:49:44 PM
Rich - Interesting idea about putting that chunk of Bright-Boy into the track cleaning car. I might have to try that. I've been using the old Masonite approach, putting a piece of that on the end of a stick and running that around the track. It works pretty well getting the gunk off of the tracks, but the track cleaning car idea would automate the process.

Any more labor saving ideas?  :beers:

And don't forget Tom, if you need just a little extra cleaning, put the Centerline roller on top of the bright boy, to add a little extra weight. Also if it's been a week or two between running sessions, put the bright boy cleaning car in front of your locomotive, then your locomotive will be running on clean rail vs. dirty rail.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Tom Edwards on June 27, 2019, 10:01:31 PM
OK! Another good tip to put the roller on to of the Bright Boy!

We have two of those track cleaning cars at the HO club where I'm a member but I didn't know that they also came in N scale. On the HO system we put one in front of a couple of locomotives and one behind. We make several passes, the first one with Goo Gone and the follow-on ones with just dry Handi-wipes. Then we clean the wheels of the locomotives. Those things seem to pick up all of the stuff that the Goo Gone loosens up.

It's a never ending battle.  :D
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 27, 2019, 11:21:06 PM
OK! Another good tip to put the roller on to of the Bright Boy!

We have two of those track cleaning cars at the HO club where I'm a member but I didn't know that they also came in N scale. On the HO system we put one in front of a couple of locomotives and one behind. We make several passes, the first one with Goo Gone and the follow-on ones with just dry Handi-wipes. Then we clean the wheels of the locomotives. Those things seem to pick up all of the stuff that the Goo Gone loosens up.

It's a never ending battle.  :D

Hi Tom, The N scale Centerline track cleaner I use with the bright boy is Model N-2
https://www.centerline-products.com/product-page/n-scale (https://www.centerline-products.com/product-page/n-scale)

The N scale Centerline track cleaner I use with the dry Handi-wipes roller is model D12
https://www.centerline-products.com/product-page/n-gauge-nmra-specification (https://www.centerline-products.com/product-page/n-gauge-nmra-specification)

The nice thing about both of these cars is they are solid brass, meaning they are pretty sure footed. If one of these cars derails, you have a track gauge problem. Since I run Atlas code 80 track, I put some old pizza cutter wheel sets in the Micro-Trains trucks to make them even more sure footed. I've had zero derailment issues placing these cars ahead of my locomotives.
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 27, 2019, 11:50:43 PM
For immediate release: The Penn Central Railroad Company Assumes Operations of the Long Valley Branch, effective January 1st, 1968

The current date is June 1972 and the PC railroad has been successfully operating the Long Valley Branch for the past 4 years. In my little world the PC never filed bankruptcy and continues to paint locomotives and rolling stock into the PC paint scheme.

Here we find LVWE (Long Valley Work Extra) working the industries in Long Valley with a brand new EMD GP38-2.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/6318-270619232838.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78911)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/6318-270619232955.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78912)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/6318-270619233414.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78913)


And now the rest of the story. This is the Kato GP38-2 that got me back into N scale model railroading. Before it's purchase in 1989, I was a combination arm chair modeler, HO scale modeler. Then one day I happen upon this Kato GP38-2 in the Conrail Paint Scheme in my local hobby shop.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/6318-270619233814.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78917)

The hobby shop owner also had the Micro-Trains pilot conversion kit in stock and that was all it took to convert me from a HO scale modeler to an N scale modeler.

With this model it was goodbye arm chair modeler. Being a apartment dweller, I was now finally able to build a layout. My first N scale layout was built on top of my coffee table and to date, I haven't looked back yet.

Having grown up in the PC era, I decided around 2000, to back date my Conrail GP38-2, to a PC GP38-2, using Scale Coat paint and Microscale decals. I'm very happy with the results. It's fun from time to time to take that walk down memory lane  :)
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: dats475 on June 28, 2019, 01:41:27 AM
Let me get this straight, Rich.
You painted the locomotive from a Conrail one?
Man, you're an excellent modeller!
The PC engine is exceptionally well painted and the perfect decals job!!
I don't know anything about the engine but I like it a lot.
I'd like to own an Espee GP38-2 one day.

I went to the website for cleaning cars.
I wish I can get one of those but it's out of my budget.
My brother in law got CMX(?) cleaning car for $150!!
Now that's expensive!!

You're a Master N sca.......Wait a minute. You were an HO guy?!!  :scowl:
Well, it doesn't matter what scale you are modelling in.
All you need is the modelling of love!  :heart::-*

Dats
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: AlexanderJesse on June 28, 2019, 08:52:32 AM
Seconding dats' observations...

And talking about memory lane... Do you have more details on that coffee-table-top-layout?
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 28, 2019, 12:22:20 PM
Seconding dats' observations...

And talking about memory lane... Do you have more details on that coffee-table-top-layout?

Hi AlexanderJesse, I wish I would have taken a few photos of that layout, but I did not. It was a simple oval using 9.75 radius Atlas code 80 snap track. There was a passing siding on one side and the opposite side had a single spur. The side with the spur also had a Atlas thru girder bridge that crossed over a small lake. I had a low scenic divider running down the middle of the layout to separate one side from the other. I called the side with the passing siding the "City" side and the side with the short spur and lake was the "Country" side. On both ends the track ran through mountains made from Styrofoam sheets.



 
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 28, 2019, 12:29:54 PM
Let me get this straight, Rich.
You painted the locomotive from a Conrail one?
Man, you're an excellent modeller!
The PC engine is exceptionally well painted and the perfect decals job!!
I don't know anything about the engine but I like it a lot.
I'd like to own an Espee GP38-2 one day.

You're a Master N sca.......Wait a minute. You were an HO guy?!!  :scowl:
Well, it doesn't matter what scale you are modelling in.
All you need is the modelling of love!  :heart::-*

Dats

Thank you Dats for the compliments. Here are a few photos of my old HO scale 4' x 8' layout.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/6318-280619122458.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78943)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/6318-280619122551.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=78944)

I painted and decaled all of the locomotives and most of the hopper cars, using Floquil paint and Microscale decals. It's a lot easier to paint and decal HO scale models vs. N scale models  :D
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 11, 2019, 11:39:58 PM
I've added another Penn Central GP38-2 to my roster. This locomotive started out as an undecorated Kato model that I purchased second hand on ebay. I painted the locomotive into the Penn Central paint scheme using Scalecoat II paint and decals from Micro-Scale.


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/79/6318-110719233947.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=79397)
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: dats475 on July 12, 2019, 08:06:18 PM
Amazing paint work, Rich!
How can you paint so thin and clean?
Are you using an airbrush for this?
Also, how are you stripping the original paint?
I tried to repaint a couple of stuff but It always came out thick paint job that looks like an orange fruits skin.

Dats
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 12, 2019, 09:25:52 PM
Amazing paint work, Rich!
How can you paint so thin and clean?
Are you using an airbrush for this?
Also, how are you stripping the original paint?
I tried to repaint a couple of stuff but It always came out thick paint job that looks like an orange fruits skin.

Dats

Hi Dats,  Yes I have an Badger Air Brush. I've also used Scalecoat II and Testors rattle can spray paints with very good results. The trick is keep the air brush or rattle can moving across the model and keep the air brush or rattle can back about 6 inches. It takes some practice, you want light coats of paint. If a second coat is required, wait at least 15 minutes before applying another coat.

If you are painting a model with two different colors, always spray the lighter color first, wait 24 hours for that paint to dry. Then mask the model and spray another coat of the light color paint over the masking tape to seal it and allow the model to dry for at least 2 hours, before spraying the darker color. If you're going to paint a model white, spray the model with a light gray primer coat of paint first and let it dry for 24 hours.

I DO NOT brush paint models, you cover up the details.  If you're getting orange peel, it maybe too humid. Too much water vapor in the air can effect your paint.

For stripping paint off the old models, I use Scalecoat II "Wash Away" paint remover. Let the model shell soak in the paint remover for 10 minutes, then use a old toothbrush to remove the loosened paint from the model. Be sure to rinse the model in warm water and let dry thoroughly before painting the model.

SPECIAL NOTICE: Remove the windows, number boards and any headlight lenses before submerging the model into Scalecoat Wash Away, as the paint remover could damage clear plastic parts. 

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: dats475 on August 06, 2019, 08:17:27 PM
Breaking news!
I saw him!
I saw Rich!!



Great N size information here.
But this video's highlight is Rich.
I wish that I was cool like him. :-\

Dats
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on August 06, 2019, 11:44:59 PM

But this video's highlight is Rich.
I wish that I was cool like him. :-\

Dats

Hi Dats, You are too funny  :smiley-laughing:  Thank you for the compliments. I hope you can attend the show next year? You should bring your brother-in-law as well, I think the both of you would enjoy the show. Be sure to bring some extra cash, as you never know when you're going to find that locomotive or piece of rolling stock you're been searching for, for just the right price at one of the vendors tables.

 

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on September 20, 2019, 02:20:18 AM
The Penn Central Railroad has just assigned two new pickups to the Long Valley branch, seen here parked at the Long Valley Interlocking tower.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/6318-200919021651.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81746)

Yes, my descent into Penn Central madness continues  :smiley-laughing:

These are the new models just released by Atlas and are a welcome addition to my 1970's Penn Central Long Valley branch layout.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: dats475 on September 20, 2019, 02:51:29 AM
Wow!  :goggleeyes:

Nice model!
It has back mirrors!
Is it all plastic or plastic with a metal body like Mini-Metal models?
I'm assuming that they're painted by some kind of machine.
But even so, I don't know how they can paint so good.
Certainly they don't need to eat deep fried food like me.  :smiley-laughing:
How can they paint those turn signal lights so well? They are so tiny.  :scowl:
If I can find a video, I want to see how they paint tiny stuff.

Nevertheless, fantastic acquisition as always, Rich! :thumbsup:

Dats
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: chrispearce on September 20, 2019, 03:30:28 AM
Handsome layout. Although I sure am an Englishman, I have a deep interest in US railroading and always felt it was a terrible shame what happened to Penn Central - and in such a short space of time. 2 of the biggest railroads in the US just vanished in a few short decades! And what a sad loss NY Penn Station was (I hope they DO rebuild it) and thankfully Grand Central was saved. I read with amusement recently an article in which the writer said something like," With regards to Penn Station, one used to enter the city of New York like a god. Now one scuttles in like a rat."
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on September 20, 2019, 12:35:00 PM
Wow!  :goggleeyes:

Nice model!
It has back mirrors!
Is it all plastic or plastic with a metal body like Mini-Metal models?
I'm assuming that they're painted by some kind of machine.
But even so, I don't know how they can paint so good.
Certainly they don't need to eat deep fried food like me.  :smiley-laughing:
How can they paint those turn signal lights so well? They are so tiny.  :scowl:
If I can find a video, I want to see how they paint tiny stuff.

Nevertheless, fantastic acquisition as always, Rich! :thumbsup:

Dats

Hi Dats, Yes they are plastic. My guess is the brake lights / turn signals are red plastic inserts and the head lights look like clear plastic inserts. 

It's funny you mentioned Mini-Metals models, It's been almost 3 years since they released the second round of the 67 Ford Custom 500 sedans, in my opinion the second release of those models feel like plastic. The older models were metal.  The same holds true for the 1954 Ford F350 pickups, they also feel like plastic.

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on September 20, 2019, 01:34:03 PM
Handsome layout. Although I sure am an Englishman, I have a deep interest in US railroading and always felt it was a terrible shame what happened to Penn Central - and in such a short space of time. 2 of the biggest railroads in the US just vanished in a few short decades! And what a sad loss NY Penn Station was (I hope they DO rebuild it) and thankfully Grand Central was saved. I read with amusement recently an article in which the writer said something like," With regards to Penn Station, one used to enter the city of New York like a god. Now one scuttles in like a rat."

Thank you Chris for the compliments on the layout.  Part of the problem was the Pennsylvania and the New York Central railroads were bitter rivals. What made things worse,  they tried to dovetail the management from the two companies together into one new management team without changing the age old operating practices. Hence, It became an internal battle between the green team (NYC) and the red team (PRR) which lead to their undoing. If they would have only had L. Stanley Crane at the beginning of Penn Central, things might have been different. The first thing L. Stanley Crane did as CEO of Conrail was to announce to the company, there is no more Red team and no more Green team, they were all now members of the Blue team. Through his leadership Conrail became a very successful railroad. 

   It would have been interesting to see what might have happened if many of the Eastern railroads were not forced into bankruptcy, because Penn Central stopped paying their bills allowable under bankruptcy protection.  It's fun to think about what other merges might have happened had Penn Central been successful.  Would the N&W, EL and D&H had merged into a new company? Would the C&O and Lehigh Valley have merged into a new railroad? Could all the members of the "Alphabet route" have merged into a successful company. We all know what did happen, but sometimes it fun to think about what could have happened.

Yes The original Penn Station was a victim of the Penn Central railroad and doubtful that original complex will ever be rebuilt, considering the space once occupied by Penn Station is now occupied by other complexes like Madison Square Garden and Penn Plaza. The new Penn Station is still very much in use by Amtrak and several commuter railroads. Yes, all of the railroad activities now take place underground and that may have been what the writer was referring to?

Grand Central Terminal (NYC) is now only used by Metro-North railroad, a commuter line out of New York City. The station has been completely restored, but you will no longer be able to catch a long distance passenger train out of Grand Central.

Unfortunately, time marches on and not always for the better, but at least both passenger stations were not lost to history. Grand Central remains in it's glory, while Penn Station is a shadow of it's former glory. But on the bright side, you can still catch a long distance passenger train out of Penn Station.

The same holds true for the Pennsylvania passenger station in Pittsburgh, PA, the city closest to my location. All the Amtrak activities take place in what use to be the baggage handling area. The former Passenger station is now office space.  So you can still experience the grandeur of the original building, but time has marched on as far as passenger accommodations. Not so fortunate was the B&O passenger station in Pittsburgh. A multi-story jail now sits on the site of the former B&O passenger station. We are fortunate in the fact that the former Pittsburgh & Lake Erie passenger station is still standing and has been restored. Although no longer used as a passenger terminal, the main floor of the passenger terminal is now the Grand Concourse restaurant, with all other floors being used as office space. 

   
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on September 25, 2019, 12:47:15 AM
My descent into the Penn Central madness continues with the acquisition of two Penn Central quad hoppers.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/6318-250919003821.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81893)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/6318-250919003903.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81894)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/6318-250919003949.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81895)

These are the new Quad hoppers from Bowser Mfg. that feature Roller bearing trucks with Fox Valley Models metal wheels and Body mounted Micro-Trains couplers
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on September 26, 2019, 08:02:45 PM
These are very nice Rich.  Do you intend to have a long train of them?

Andy
UK
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on September 26, 2019, 09:32:02 PM
These are very nice Rich.  Do you intend to have a long train of them?

Andy
UK

Hi Andy, No the two I have plus the four P&LE 3 bay hoppers and the 2 B&LE 3 bay hoppers are all I need to satisfy the shipping needs of Midland Coal on the Midland spur track. Midland Coal only loads one 70 ton hopper per day. With a two day turn around, between the loader and the steel mill I have enough cars to cover the service.

Here's the new track schematic for the Penn Central Long Valley Branch
 
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/81/6318-260919213039.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=81994)
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: chrispearce on September 27, 2019, 06:47:48 AM
Wonderful names!

Why don't you transfer this to the main Layout Construction board?

It'll get more people looking at it and it will be appreciated by many!
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on September 27, 2019, 12:51:07 PM
Wonderful names!

Why don't you transfer this to the main Layout Construction board?

It'll get more people looking at it and it will be appreciated by many!

Hi Chris, Thank you for the compliments on the layout. The layout is 95% complete in it's current form. If I start a new layout, I just might add that layout build to the main layout construction board.

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: chrispearce on September 27, 2019, 01:01:46 PM
Wonderful names!

Why don't you transfer this to the main Layout Construction board?

It'll get more people looking at it and it will be appreciated by many!

Hi Chris, Thank you for the compliments on the layout. The layout is 95% complete in it's current form. If I start a new layout, I just might add that layout build to the main layout construction board.

Fair enough. However, some people do start threads with fully or virtually complete layouts (or pikes in your case!). Just think it'll get much deserved exposure. You could also take a peek at my developing Maen Quarry Railway. It'll feature US locos/stock. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on October 20, 2019, 05:00:48 PM
This is how I clean switches / turnouts / points that no longer properly conduct electricity. 
Special note, the switches used on my layout are all from Atlas, this method may not work on all brands of switches / turnouts / points.

First using a Pipette apply 70% Isopropyl Alcohol to the contact area of the point / blade - see photo

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6318-201019164050.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83012)

Then using an old toothbrush, scrub the area making sure to clean around the points / blades and the stock rails.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/83/6318-201019164430.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=83013)

I have used this method for years to help restore old switches / turnouts / points back to working condition.

I hope this method works for cleaning your stubborn switches that no longer conduct electricity to the points / blades.

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Paul Schmidt on December 07, 2019, 01:27:28 PM
Hello Rich! So this is where you and DATS have been all this time!

I've been perusing this thread, and I really enjoy seeing the many permutations of your layout. It's inspiring.

The Slate Fork Branch of the Southern Railway is alive and well. Management has been experimenting with using single SD-7s on the Slate Fork's mine runs in place of tandem GP38s. That's what the Slate Fork was using prior to being acquired by the Southern, so the crews are pretty happy.

Life in southwest Virginia in the late 1970s continues on, but this has been a rather gloomy winter.

Cheers!

Paul Schmidt
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on December 07, 2019, 04:38:06 PM
Hello Rich! So this is where you and DATS have been all this time!

Cheers!

Paul Schmidt

Hi Paul, You have to read though Dats "Closet Branch" thread. He's moved, (we are now in the same state, just on opposite ends of the state) and he now has room to expand the layout. What a great job he's been doing expanding The Closet Branch. 

I've also met a couple of great guys who post on this board from the UK. We met at Horseshoe Curve for a great day of rail fanning. Those were the photos posted earlier in the thread.  Andy's one of the guys I met at Horseshoe, his layout is called the Montrose and Highland Railroad. It's a shed layout which from my understanding is very common in the UK. Andy is working on a second layout called "Cascade". It's based on the BN and Milwaukee Road at locations out near your neck of the woods  :)  I keep telling Andy, it's been far too long since we've seen a update on the Cascade layout.  Also If I remember correctly, Andy's wife is from Wenatchee.

Now that I know you're doing regular updates on the South Fork Branch over on the nscale.net board, I'll have to continue to stop by to keep up to date on your layouts progress.

I really like how you mounted your layout on casters and the storage space below the layout. I would love to do something like that with my layout, but I honestly do not have the room. We currently live in a small apartment and the layout is currently shoehorned into the only available space in the apartment.   

Thanks for stopping by Paul, there is a great group of people on this board from all over the world and we all have one thing in common, we enjoy modeling in N scale. I've also been following some build threads of guys building UK layouts on some of the other boards on this site, some of the techniques they are using are top notch.  You may want to have a look around this web site, as I know you once constructed a Double O UK style layout, on second thought ignore that and continue on with the South Fork Branch  :smiley-laughing: 
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on December 25, 2019, 03:48:24 PM
A special message from everyone at the Long Valley Branch


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/6318-251219154727.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85425)
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on December 27, 2019, 10:22:13 PM
The Long Valley Railroad is pleased to announce the purchase of it's two newest locomotives, Western Maryland F3A number 51 and Western Maryland F7B number 408.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/6318-271219214704.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85477)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/85/6318-271219214748.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=85478)


Now the back story. A good friend of mine belongs to a Lionel club that sets up an annual Christmas display at a local shopping mall. They collect donations to view the Christmas display, then they donate all money collected to local charities. Because of my work schedule and their operating schedule, yesterday (12/26/19) was the only day I was able to stop in and see the display this year.  Fortunately or unfortunately for me, how ever you want to look at it, this year their display just happened to be near a new hobby shop in the mall. Since I had some Christmas money burning a hole in my pocket, I decided to stop in and have a look around. The owner of the hobby shop just received the above two Kato locomotives as part of an estate sale and I just couldn't pass up the price on two custom painted Kato locomotives in one of my favorite road names. Although I tend to prefer the Trail Blazer paint scheme aka "Circus" paint scheme over the other paint schemes, I also like the classic Black and Yellow Speed Lettering paint scheme. So for the time being the Long Valley Crews will be keeping the rails of the Long Valley Branch polished with these two latest acquisitions.  :claphappy:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Webbo on December 28, 2019, 07:20:26 AM
Well done Rich. An excellent way of spending Christmas money.

You are lucky to have a local hobby shop that stocks such N scale items. Model railways from all scales have disappeared from all hobby shops here in Canberra. Model planes and cars - yes, but for all my railway stuff I have to rely on the Web, unfortunately.

Webbo
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Bealman on December 28, 2019, 08:16:02 AM
Likewise. A shame.

Great pictures, though, Rich!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on December 28, 2019, 03:16:50 PM
Well done Rich. An excellent way of spending Christmas money.

You are lucky to have a local hobby shop that stocks such N scale items. Model railways from all scales have disappeared from all hobby shops here in Canberra. Model planes and cars - yes, but for all my railway stuff I have to rely on the Web, unfortunately.

Webbo

Hi Webbo,  I was very surprised to find a new hobby shop in the shopping mall. What you're finding holds true in my area as well. At one time we had over 25 hobby shops in a 20 mile radius from my home, now we have three. My friend was telling me the owner of this new hobby shop was running the business out of his basement. Business had increased to the point where he needed to expand to a retail space. He calls his shop "Chippers Trains" but stocks everything from doll house collectables, video games, die cast cars and trucks to LP's,  45's and he even has a comic book section complete with a life size cardboard cutout of the gang from the Big Bang Theory TV show. About half the shop is devoted to model trains and over half of that area is devoted to Lionel trains. He also carries G, HO and N scale. I hope he continues to do well at this new location as too many shops are closing their doors.   
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: dats475 on February 06, 2020, 10:09:01 PM
Ok Rich.
the time is ripe!
Please please make a detailed tour of your layout video.   :admiration:
It must be at least 30 minutes long please.  :admiration: :admiration: :admiration:
I need to see it Rich!
Please please please. :admiration:

Dats
Title: What story does your photos tell?
Post by: Rich_S on February 06, 2020, 11:52:20 PM
Ok Rich.
the time is ripe!
Please please make a detailed tour of your layout video.   :admiration:

Dats

How about this instead:

What story does your photos tell?

On first inspection of the first photo we see late 60's automobiles and trucks and a early 70's pickup truck in the parking lot, giving us the impression the era is the early 1970's. Next we notice Penn Central rolling stock confirming we are in the Penn Central era, Feb. 1968 to April 1976.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6318-060220234751.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87217)

Next our attention is turned to the locomotive and caboose which bare the road names Norfolk & Western, which would indicate the current owners of the line.

But looking closer we see the caboose and locomotive have another story to tell. The locomotive number 1301, was originally ordered from EMD in 1964 by the Pittsburgh & West Virginia Railway and was to be numbered 101. We also notice the caboose road number is 500832. When the N&W leased the P&WV for 99 years in Oct. 1964, they added a 500 prefix to the P&WV caboose road numbers.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6318-060220234853.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87218)


The stories these photos tell us, this is the former Pittsburgh & West Virginia Railway now owned by the Norfolk & Western Railway 8 years after the railway was leased.

What will the future of this line be? Only time will tell.





Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on February 20, 2020, 11:32:10 PM
On the Long Valley Branch, New meets Old at Long Valley.
In 1977 the P&LE purchased six GP38-2's numbered 2051 to 2056.
In 1985 the P&LE became part of a three way transaction with Conrail and the Union Pacific.
Conrail started the transaction by selling 17 GP38's to the Union Pacific.
The UP then traded those GP38's for 15 P&LE MP15DC's.
On the P&LE the ex-Conrail GP38's were given the road numbers 2025 to 2041.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6318-200220233007.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87740)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6318-200220233053.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87741)


Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on February 21, 2020, 07:16:45 PM
Hi Rich

I know I've mentioned it elsewhere, but I really like those P LE locos!  It's a livery which is similar to one I always loved, that belonging to the Rio Grande Railroad!  Please don't weather these locos!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on February 22, 2020, 02:29:40 PM
Hi Rich

I know I've mentioned it elsewhere, but I really like those P LE locos!  It's a livery which is similar to one I always loved, that belonging to the Rio Grande Railroad!  Please don't weather these locos!

Andy
UK

Hi Andy,
    You don't have to worry about weathering, the labors on my railroad work over-time to keep all of the railroad equipment looking fresh and new  :D

Here's a little extra information for those who do not know, the P&LE (Pittsburgh & Lake Erie) was an actual railroad. The line was purchased by CSX in the late 1990's.

This is the training film shown to all new hires on the P&LE railroad.



My one buddy who was a brakeman for the P&LE, actually viewed this training film sitting in the "Please" (PLE All Safe Employees) training car, the very car Henry Allen is standing in front of while doing the intro for this video.

I have a copy of this film, but this version on YouTube is not mine, I'm just using it under the fair use rules.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/6318-220220143814.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=87792)


Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on February 22, 2020, 04:18:27 PM
Thanks for this Rich!

Incidentally, John Gas and Muris Welder are two of my favourite actors.

Andy
UK
 :scowl:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on February 22, 2020, 05:04:23 PM
Thanks for this Rich!

Incidentally, John Gas and Muris Welder are two of my favourite actors.

Andy
UK
 :scowl:

 :hmmm:   Andy, I think that reads "John Muris" and is occupation on the railroad is a "Gas Welder"  ;)
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on February 24, 2020, 09:15:22 AM
I'm sure Muris Welder was in "Unstoppable"....

Andy
UK
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on February 24, 2020, 05:28:52 PM
I'm sure Muris Welder was in "Unstoppable"....

Andy
UK

 :hmmm:  Andy, are you pulling my leg??? I can't find that name in the list of characters for the movie Unstoppable? I can tell you as a railroad employee, there were many things in that movie that were completely false.  There were fewer factual events in that movie verses false events. For those who don't know, the movie was based on an actual event that happened on CSX in Ohio. 

I do own the movie on DVD and as an action adventure it's not a bad movie, but less than a minute into the movie you enter into fantasy land  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on February 25, 2020, 07:59:08 AM
Oh Rich, of course I'm pulling your leg Mate!

I also know the true story behind Crazy 8s!  I like the film a lot though!

Andy
UK
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on March 11, 2020, 04:49:49 PM
Breaking News for this 11th day of March 2020.

Work continues on the Midland yard office. The yard office staff and crews are now able to use the building as the finishing touches are applied.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/6318-110320164335.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88589)


The crews are thankful for the progress on the office since this photo's been taken.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/6318-110320164640.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88590)


Now back to our regularly scheduled programming ....  :bounce:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on March 11, 2020, 07:08:53 PM
It's a week for yard offices Rich!  I finished mine just yesterday, and will be putting it into its rightful place this week!

Paintwork was not finished at this point, and the windows had to be glazed.

Andy
UK
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/2779-110320190847.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88593)
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on March 11, 2020, 07:13:05 PM
It's a week for yard offices Rich!  I finished mine just yesterday, and will be putting it into its rightful place this week!

Paintwork was not finished at this point, and the windows had to be glazed.

Andy
UK
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/2779-110320190847.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88593)

Hi Andy, Very nice yard office  :thumbsup:  I still need to add the glazing to my windows as well, plus the handrails for the step and the lights over the doors.

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on March 12, 2020, 05:31:30 PM
Hi Rich

Another new building done for the layout today.  It's a Mom and Pop style pizza place.  I am not going to show you a photo here, but rather will put it in my next video.  It was a kit I won at the NMRA AGM in Derby in 2018, but I never got round to building it until now.

Andy
UK
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on March 12, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
Hi Rich

Another new building done for the layout today.  It's a Mom and Pop style pizza place.  I am not going to show you a photo here, but rather will put it in my next video.  It was a kit I won at the NMRA AGM in Derby in 2018, but I never got round to building it until now.

Andy
UK

Hi Andy, If you need a couple of names for your new Mom and Pop pizza place, here are two of our favorite pizza places in Ambridge, Pennsylvania.

Franks Pizzeria

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/6318-120320180949.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88723)


The Original "Police Station" Pizza House
 
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/88/6318-120320181145.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=88724)

Funny story on the second Mom and Pop Pizzeria in Ambridge. The name was originally was "The Original Pizza House" but because they are located right next door to the original Ambridge Police Station, people started calling the place "Police Station Pizza". So the owners kind of adopted the name "The Original Police Station Pizza House"

Both of the above Mom & Pop Pizzeria's do not have any dining tables. You walk in, place your order at the counter, pay and leave with a box of Pizza with your chosen toppings.
Franks only makes thin crust pizza and The Original Pizza House only makes thick crust. You can purchase your pizza by the slice or a whole pie.
Franks Pizza is a traditional round pie and The Original Pizza House pizza is a rectangular 8 cut per box pizza.   
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: TimHF76 on May 18, 2020, 11:39:33 AM
Hello everyone,

I'd like to know the manufacturer of the yard office, my small empire needs a small house which could also be used for a small desk for the general manager of my shortline.

Stay safe

Tim
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on May 18, 2020, 02:07:41 PM
Hello everyone,

I'd like to know the manufacturer of the yard office, my small empire needs a small house which could also be used for a small desk for the general manager of my shortline.

Stay safe

Tim

Guten Tag Tim, The building kit is from Motrak Models and is called the "Danielson Building".

https://www.hobbylinc.com/motrak-danielson-buildingconcrete-foundation-structure-kit-ho-scale-model-railroad-building-83001 (https://www.hobbylinc.com/motrak-danielson-buildingconcrete-foundation-structure-kit-ho-scale-model-railroad-building-83001)

Bleib sicher

Rich S.
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: TimHF76 on May 18, 2020, 07:14:32 PM
Rich,
vielen Dank!
I try to get the kit from Ebay or using the link you posted.
I also plan to model a mixture of PC,Conrail, Norfolk & Western, Norfolk Southern plus Burlington Northern, Santa Fe and a Shortline

Tim
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on May 19, 2020, 01:27:23 PM
Rich,
vielen Dank!
I try to get the kit from Ebay or using the link you posted.
I also plan to model a mixture of PC,Conrail, Norfolk & Western, Norfolk Southern plus Burlington Northern, Santa Fe and a Shortline

Tim

Hallo Tim, ich habe gerade bemerkt, dass ich dir den falschen Link geschickt habe. Hier ist der Link zum N scale Danielson Building 

https://www.hobbylinc.com/motrak-danielson-building-kit-w:stone-foundation-n-scale-model-railroad-building-13000 (https://www.hobbylinc.com/motrak-danielson-building-kit-w:stone-foundation-n-scale-model-railroad-building-13000)

Entschuldigung für die Verwechslung.

Cheers,
Rich S.
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: TimHF76 on May 19, 2020, 08:52:56 PM
Thanks a lot Rich, your german is very good, have been here?

Tim
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on May 20, 2020, 02:02:04 PM
Thanks a lot Rich, your german is very good, have been here?

Tim

Hi Tim, Germany is on my bucket list of countries I'd like to visit, but I've not been to Germany yet.
I took German Language in High School, but I also get a lot of help from Google :D

Cheers,
Rich S.
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on May 30, 2020, 12:23:40 AM
Just a minor update as I continue to add a few more finishing touches to the Midland yard office.
Recent additions are the hand rails for the steps and over head light above the door.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/94/6318-300520002229.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=94503)
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: MarshLane on May 30, 2020, 11:58:07 AM
Hi Rich,
Just spent this morning wandering through your thread.  A lovely layout and well done.  Really like what you have done with the yard office that your currently working on.

Trouble it is making me think about what could be done, and with a new garage in the offing that is already earmarked to become a railway road ... hmm :)

I'll be following your progress, so keep going :)

Rich
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on May 30, 2020, 03:33:41 PM
Hi Rich

The yard office is a neat little addition; one I've added to both my layouts recently!

Andy
UK
Stay Safe My Friends
Title: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 20, 2020, 12:09:53 AM
Yesterday (June 19, 2020) was the first time since the COVID-19 lock down that I've been able to visit my local hobby shop. I'm glad this small family owned shop has been able to weather the storm so to speak.

I added another Penn Central caboose to my growing fleet of Penn Central equipment.

This is the short bay window caboose from Bluford Shops, class N12 and does a very good job of capturing the look of the prototype.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/95/6318-200620000550.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=95658)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/95/6318-200620000736.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=95659)


Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Lawrence on June 20, 2020, 07:32:15 PM
That is a very nice looking caboose Rich, Bluford have some cracking stuff on their site.
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 21, 2020, 01:32:35 PM
That is a very nice looking caboose Rich, Bluford have some cracking stuff on their site.

Thank you Lawrence. Yes, Bluford Shops is becoming my go to manufacturer for N scale cabooses and hoppers.   
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on June 21, 2020, 02:23:29 PM
Which is your nearest model railroad shop Rich?

I like your caboose.  Very nice!

Andy
UK
Stay Safe My Friends
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 21, 2020, 04:52:22 PM
Which is your nearest model railroad shop Rich?

I like your caboose.  Very nice!

Andy
UK
Stay Safe My Friends


Hi Andy, The closest hobby shop to my home is Hobby Express in Cranberry TWP, about a 10 mile drive. Their website is still under Construction, but they do have a Facebook page. https://www.facebook.com/hobbyexpressinc/ (https://www.facebook.com/hobbyexpressinc/)

Here is a video from the Pittsburgh Train Fanatic of the Hobby Express Hobby Shop in Cranberry.



The next closest Hobby Shop is Esther's Hobby Shop in Millvale, about a 22 mile drive.
Bob, the owner of Esther's Hobby Shop made a little video of the shop.



Here is Esther's Web Page.
http://www.esthershobby.com/index.html (http://www.esthershobby.com/index.html)

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Lawrence on June 21, 2020, 09:48:55 PM
Esthers' must have the worst webpage @Rich_S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6318)   ;D but does have some great deals on N gauge at the moment. Must be great to have 2 great hobby shops so close, reckon I'd be there every week  :D
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 22, 2020, 02:27:06 PM
Esthers' must have the worst webpage @Rich_S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6318)   ;D but does have some great deals on N gauge at the moment. Must be great to have 2 great hobby shops so close, reckon I'd be there every week  :D

A few years ago, I think Bob told me his son in law maintains the computers and website, but I'm not sure how often they update the site. Bob is 88 years old and when he passes, I'm not sure if anyone in his family will continue to keep the shop open.

That is the one encouraging aspect with Hobby Express in Cranberry, the family members running the shop are younger than me. So hopefully that shop will be around for many years to come.

 
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Lawrence on June 22, 2020, 03:25:32 PM
Esthers' must have the worst webpage @Rich_S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6318)   ;D but does have some great deals on N gauge at the moment. Must be great to have 2 great hobby shops so close, reckon I'd be there every week  :D

A few years ago, I think Bob told me his son in law maintains the computers and website, but I'm not sure how often they update the site. Bob is 88 years old and when he passes, I'm not sure if anyone in his family will continue to keep the shop open.


Might be a little opportunity for you there Rich, nice little business just needs a decent website, and you can get all your own stock at a discount  ;)
Then again, I think if I lived in Baden, I'd be too busy spending my days soaking up the views of the mountains and the river, looks a lovely place to live.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on June 24, 2020, 09:12:41 AM
I hope model railroad stores like these NEVER become extinct.  Ordering stuff off the internet is cheap and convenient, but there is no substitute for going to a model railroad store and having a look around.

I have a really neat one near me, but he's not the cheapest.  Nevertheless, whenever I go, I always ensure I buy something from him, whether it be a new loco or just a packet of figures.  We have to keep stores like these going.

https://mech-models.com/

Denis and I take his layout there every year to run at the store's open day.

Thank you for sharing the videos Rich.  By the way, does Lawrence have a good idea?  Would you be interested in running Esther's?

 :hmmm: :hmmm: :hmmm:

Andy
UK
Stay Safe My Friends
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 24, 2020, 02:53:17 PM
Might be a little opportunity for you there Rich, nice little business just needs a decent website, and you can get all your own stock at a discount  ;)
Then again, I think if I lived in Baden, I'd be too busy spending my days soaking up the views of the mountains and the river, looks a lovely place to live.  :thumbsup:

Hi Lawrence, Expense and/or the lack of funds is the sad reality of purchasing a Hobby Shop. Bob has never quoted me an exact price, but has well over a million dollars in inventory and the ownership of the building. I doubt I could get a loan for even half that amount, plus I don't see myself trying to run the hobby shop and working my full time job. I only have 5 years left, then I can retire with a nice pension from my current job, I would not want to start over and if the shop failed, I'd really be out of luck. Now if I was to hit the lottery, owning the hobby shop might be a nice retirement option  ;)

I'd say most rail fans who visit Baden, will be spending most of their time at the East Conway (Baden Piney Street) bridge, watching trains enter and exit Conway yard. Thank you for the compliments and Yes, Baden is a nice community that's just close enough to Pittsburgh to be convenient, but far enough away to avoid the hustle and bustle of living downtown.  When we were younger, it was also fun to take a boat out on the Ohio river for the day. Now I'm getting to the age where a boat is just extra work I don't need. A old timer once told me "as you get older, what you once did all day, now takes you all day to do". I'm beginning to understand  :laugh3: 
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 24, 2020, 03:40:09 PM
I hope model railroad stores like these NEVER become extinct.  Ordering stuff off the internet is cheap and convenient, but there is no substitute for going to a model railroad store and having a look around.

I have a really neat one near me, but he's not the cheapest.  Nevertheless, whenever I go, I always ensure I buy something from him, whether it be a new loco or just a packet of figures.  We have to keep stores like these going.

https://mech-models.com/

Denis and I take his layout there every year to run at the store's open day.

Thank you for sharing the videos Rich.  By the way, does Lawrence have a good idea?  Would you be interested in running Esther's?

 :hmmm: :hmmm: :hmmm:

Andy
UK
Stay Safe My Friends

Hi Andy, As I explained to Lawrence in the post above, I could not afford to purchase Esther's Hobby Shop. Also being only 5 years away from retirement, I do not want to start over in the Hobby Shop and if it failed, be stuck with only a partial pension that'd I'd not be able to live off. The last thing I want, is to be someone in their late 60's working because I have to, I've had some hard jobs in my life that have taken their toll on me. I've reached a point in my life where I just want to comfortably retire, I believe I can do that in 5 years as long as I stay employed at my current employer.

I agree Andy, we do need to try and keep out local Hobby Shops open but as prices rise that becomes harder to do on the big ticket items. Because of today's limited run procedures, I think the local hobby shops need to consider a lay-away program for those big ticket items giving you a few months to make payments on the purchase. This sadly is the lure of mail order, I see it time and again, where the mail order price on a new locomotive with DCC + Sound and shipping is still cheaper than the hobby shop price. But the downside to the internet order, I generally don't have that amount of hobby cash on hand, so it's put the purchase on a credit card and then you end up paying the credit card company interest on the purchase, which if the ticket price is high enough in the long run just might equal the hobby shop price. It's a double edged sword, now If the hobby shop owner would allow me to pay for that locomotive over a few months, I may be tempted into the purchase over an internet purchase. But I also understand the hobby shop owners point of view, they only have so much space and to place items in a lay-away spot in the back room takes space away from inventory.

I do agree Andy, it is very nice to just walk around the hobby shop and see what's new and talk with other hobbyist. The Mech Models shop looks very nice, I do enjoy a well stocked shop where the shelves are neatly organized. One thing I noticed is Mech Models carries Badger Acrylic Paints. I've used these railroad color paints in the past with great success. Thanks for posting the link Andy. 

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Lawrence on June 24, 2020, 10:06:32 PM
@Rich_S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6318)  well you will have to keep doing the lottery my friend, and then you can give me a job in your new shop  :D and I can enjoy the beautiful location and that massive NS yard  :goggleeyes:
@texhorse (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2779) thanks for the Mech Models mention Andy, not one I was aware of before.

But I have to ask guys, what is it with the B&ORR and N scale models, seems the nations' oldest railroad seems to have lost some of its sheen, which is a shame as that's what I model  :worried: apart from a £360 USRA Mech Models only had a couple of gondolas, even with US suppliers it seems out of favour.

Anyway, enough thread creep, back to dreaming of Rich winning the lottery  :D
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: dats475 on June 24, 2020, 11:31:20 PM
Dear Rich

If you won a 100 million dollars jackpot, please buy me a meal combo #2 at McDonald's and Atlas rail joiners please. :food: :admiration:
I desperately need those.

 :dunce: Dats
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on June 25, 2020, 02:09:26 AM

But I have to ask guys, what is it with the B&ORR and N scale models, seems the nations' oldest railroad seems to have lost some of its sheen, which is a shame as that's what I model  :worried: apart from a £360 USRA Mech Models only had a couple of gondolas, even with US suppliers it seems out of favour.


Hi Lawrence, That is the downside of the hobby today, the majority of manufacturers only produce a set amount of models per production run then move onto the next model. If you are not able to purchase that model during the production run, you may have to wait several years before the model is released again. A quick check of ebay show the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad is very well represented

https://www.ebay.com/sch/19119/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=baltimore+and+ohio&_sop=10 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/19119/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=baltimore+and+ohio&_sop=10)

Hi Dats, If I would happen to win the Power Ball or Mega Millions, I would surely purchase Esther's Hobby shop, offer Lawrence a job and send you some Atlas code 80 rail joiners and a gift certificate for a  number 2 at McDonald's.

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Lawrence on June 25, 2020, 08:38:50 AM


Hi Lawrence, That is the downside of the hobby today, the majority of manufacturers only produce a set amount of models per production run then move onto the next model. If you are not able to purchase that model during the production run, you may have to wait several years before the model is released again. A quick check of ebay show the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad is very well represented

https://www.ebay.com/sch/19119/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=baltimore+and+ohio&_sop=10 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/19119/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=baltimore+and+ohio&_sop=10)


Agreed Rich, it is plentiful on ebay but when it is $8 for a freight car then $28 for shipping I kinda give up. Don't know if that is USPS or  guys just profiteering. Have to plan another trip to the US when all of this is over and bring a spare case with me  :D
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on June 25, 2020, 09:24:26 AM
Rich

WHEN you win the lottery, please also buy Dats some styrene sheets in case he's building anything else for the Closet Branch!!!! 

Andy
UK
Stay Safe My Friends
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 03, 2020, 04:20:53 PM


Hi Lawrence, That is the downside of the hobby today, the majority of manufacturers only produce a set amount of models per production run then move onto the next model. If you are not able to purchase that model during the production run, you may have to wait several years before the model is released again. A quick check of ebay show the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad is very well represented

https://www.ebay.com/sch/19119/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=baltimore+and+ohio&_sop=10 (https://www.ebay.com/sch/19119/i.html?_from=R40&_nkw=baltimore+and+ohio&_sop=10)


Agreed Rich, it is plentiful on ebay but when it is $8 for a freight car then $28 for shipping I kinda give up. Don't know if that is USPS or  guys just profiteering. Have to plan another trip to the US when all of this is over and bring a spare case with me  :D

As a follow up, I've been talking with several friends on a couple of different forums and have found shipping has gone through the roof because of the COVID-19 pandemic. A lot of freight is shipped via commercial airlines and since flights have been scaled back, shipping has tripled in price. One friend who purchases a lot of items from a well known Japanese online site, said shipping has gone from $6 to $24. So sadly this pandemic has touched every aspect of our lives.

To go along with this, I was looking at a product from DCC Concepts and they would not even quote me a shipping price until I purchased the item. Sadly I don't want to purchase a $60 product to find out the shipping will be $25, it's more of a luxury item and that $85 can buy me a few freight cars I've had my eye on.
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: dats475 on July 03, 2020, 05:24:08 PM
Hi Rich,

Shipping cost is always problematic for me.
I can get one more item with the price.
To justify the cost, it seems like I have to order a lot of stuff.
I probably need to go to a local hobby store instead. Although I really don’t have any.
My last hope is attending a Swap meet or train show.
I’ve never attended so called “Swap meet”. I imagine they have some good deal of used items.

Dats
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 04, 2020, 03:37:10 PM
Hi Rich,

Shipping cost is always problematic for me.
I can get one more item with the price.
To justify the cost, it seems like I have to order a lot of stuff.
I probably need to go to a local hobby store instead. Although I really don’t have any.
My last hope is attending a Swap meet or train show.
I’ve never attended so called “Swap meet”. I imagine they have some good deal of used items.

Dats

Hi Dats, The only shipping cost that have sky rocketed are the overseas shipping cost. Continental US shipping has remained untouched so far.  Yes, you can find some good deals at "Train Shows" or "Swap Meets", but not always. It's too bad the Altoona show has been cancelled, I always found a few things at that show I just couldn't live without  :smiley-laughing:

How far are you from Yankee Dabbler in Bellmawr, NJ?

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/''/YANKEEDABBLER+NJ+STORE/@39.8901768,-75.1325762,13z/data= (https://www.google.com/maps/dir/''/YANKEEDABBLER+NJ+STORE/@39.8901768,-75.1325762,13z/data=)

I've dealt with YD via their online store and they seem to have some good prices on model railroad items. If you don't want to pay for shipping and the drive is within reason, you might want to consider a trip to the Yankee Dabbler Hobby Shop.

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Maurice on July 04, 2020, 08:00:19 PM
Don't forget the added joy of paying Pennsylvania State Sales Tax for an online purchase. I am also hoping for a swap meet/ train show in PA. Unfortunately, the way the Covid fight is going, I don't know how they can have one. Those things can be rather crowded. I really only have one local train shop that carries N scale and have occasionally made the hour and a half drive to English's Model Railroad Supply in Mountoursville, PA.  I was thinking of making a road trip to visit some New Jersey shops this summer, especially if I visit my brother who lives in NJ. Even that is in question with the current situation.
Are there any specific cars or locomotives you are looking for? That one LHS does have a case of new and used N scale that I can look through for you.
Cheers!
Maurice
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 05, 2020, 03:02:18 PM

Don't forget the added joy of paying Pennsylvania State Sales Tax for an online purchase.


Hi Maurice, I found on big ticket items purchased online, plus PA Sales Tax and shipping, the purchase is still less expensive than the MSRP charged at my local hobby shop. Yes I do enjoy walking through my local hobby shop and seeing first hand what is available, but I cannot justify spending almost double the price for locomotives at the local hobby shop vs. online prices.  When it comes to the smaller ticket items like scenery items and rolling stock the online shops no longer have an advantage over the local hobby shop. The exception to the above statement at my local hobby shop is DCC decoders and Micro-Trains trucks and couplers. My local hobby shop has a very poor selection of DCC decoders and Micro-Trains trucks and couplers. I've found for those items Yankee Dabbler has some great prices and fast shipping.

Here is a list of some of the online shops I've been using.

https://www.modeltrainstuff.com/ (https://www.modeltrainstuff.com/)
https://www.nscalesupply.com/ (https://www.nscalesupply.com/)
https://www.trainworld.com/ (https://www.trainworld.com/)
https://yankeedabbler.com/ (https://yankeedabbler.com/)


All we can do now is hope the 2021 Altoona N scale weekend does not get cancelled. I've been trying to talk Dats into attending this show for a few years now. Hopefully we can all meet in Altoona next year.

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on July 05, 2020, 07:44:15 PM

Don't forget the added joy of paying Pennsylvania State Sales Tax for an online purchase.


Hi Maurice, I found on big ticket items purchased online, plus PA Sales Tax and shipping, the purchase is still less expensive than the MSRP charged at my local hobby shop. Yes I do enjoy walking through my local hobby shop and seeing first hand what is available, but I cannot justify spending almost double the price for locomotives at the local hobby shop vs. online prices.  When it comes to the smaller ticket items like scenery items and rolling stock the online shops no longer have an advantage over the local hobby shop. The exception to the above statement at my local hobby shop is DCC decoders and Micro-Trains trucks and couplers. My local hobby shop has a very poor selection of DCC decoders and Micro-Trains trucks and couplers. I've found for those items Yankee Dabbler has some great prices and fast shipping.

Here is a list of some of the online shops I've been using.

https://www.modeltrainstuff.com/ (https://www.modeltrainstuff.com/)
https://www.nscalesupply.com/ (https://www.nscalesupply.com/)
https://www.trainworld.com/ (https://www.trainworld.com/)
https://yankeedabbler.com/ (https://yankeedabbler.com/)


All we can do now is hope the 2021 Altoona N scale weekend does not get cancelled. I've been trying to talk Dats into attending this show for a few years now. Hopefully we can all meet in Altoona next year.


We had this conversation a couple of weeks ago, didn't we Rich?  Visiting your local model railroad shop is a fascinating and worthwhile experience.  It's just a shame that the prices you pay in the shop is more often than not, more expensive than the price you will pay online.

Very very sad state of affairs.  It will be a sad day when we can only make online purchases, and there are no model shops to visit any more.

Andy
UK
Stay Safe My Friends

PS, I know Vinny of BNSF 6951 Youtube channel has a lot of good things to say about Yankee Dabbler too.
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 06, 2020, 01:52:56 PM

We had this conversation a couple of weeks ago, didn't we Rich?  Visiting your local model railroad shop is a fascinating and worthwhile experience.  It's just a shame that the prices you pay in the shop is more often than not, more expensive than the price you will pay online.

Very very sad state of affairs.  It will be a sad day when we can only make online purchases, and there are no model shops to visit any more.

Andy
UK
Stay Safe My Friends

PS, I know Vinny of BNSF 6951 Youtube channel has a lot of good things to say about Yankee Dabbler too.

HI Andy, Yes we were just talking about this unfortunate side of the hobby.  One of the odd facts about online shops, most of them I've dealt with do have a brick and mortar location. Yankee Dabblers brick and mortar shop is in New Jersey, MB Klein (Model Train Stuff) is in Maryland, Train World / Train Land is in New York City and N scale Supply is in Colorado. MB Klein did state last year they were closing their walk in shop in order to expand their online business. They basically said, during a normal business day only a handful of people entered the Brick and Mortar shop, but Thousands of people ordered from the Online shop. This sadly is life in the internet age, when you can purchase products online from anywhere in the world. I've purchased New Old Stock Kato locomotive online from a site in Japan that had free shipping to the US (this was pre COVID-19) What makes things worse for the small "Mom & Pop" hobby shops is several manufacturers have instituted "MAP" pricing.  If an Mom & Pop hobby shop is found selling below the Minimum Advertised Pricing, the manufacturer and / or distributor will no longer ship products to that store and believe it or not, the several manufactures do visit and price shop local hobby shops. I've met Alex from Kato USA at Esther's Hobby Shop and gave him some suggestions for future products. Now it's a different story with the large online shops, because of the volume of sales they are a little more in the drivers seat than "Mom & Pop" shops. The large online shops do try and appease the manufactures and distributors by advertising MAP pricing on the web page, but then show you the discounted price once the item is placed in your shopping cart. From the way I see it, part of the fall of the local hobby shops is manufacturers and distributors who act as if it's still the 1950 and everyone purchases their hobby wants at local hobby shops. Even though those companies enjoy the large volume sales from the online shops, they refuse to release their strangle hold on the local hobby shops.
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Lawrence on July 06, 2020, 08:30:50 PM
At the risk of further detracting from your layout thread @Rich_S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6318) you are of course correct on the value of Mom & Pop shops, places like that always have a little gem tucked away and to be honest, even if you buy from the big box shifters, by the time you add the shipping, you are probably just as well going to your local HS, and it's more fun.
Right, that's my last comment on it, we really must get back to your layout  ;)
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 07, 2020, 02:26:50 PM
At the risk of further detracting from your layout thread @Rich_S (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6318) you are of course correct on the value of Mom & Pop shops, places like that always have a little gem tucked away and to be honest, even if you buy from the big box shifters, by the time you add the shipping, you are probably just as well going to your local HS, and it's more fun.
Right, that's my last comment on it, we really must get back to your layout  ;)

Hi Lawrence, Not much happening on the Long Valley Branch currently, so I'll reply to your comment. In my personal experience and unfortunate for the Mom & Pop Hobby Shops,  when it comes to purchasing the high price items like locomotives, the price of the locomotive plus shipping, and state sales tax is still less expensive than purchasing the same locomotive at my Local Hobby Shop. A perfect example is the Atlas SD60E that is currently available through one of the online shops. My Local Hobby Shop price for that model is $259.95 + State Sales Tax brings the purchase price up to $275.54. The current online price for this same locomotive is $169.99, a cost savings of $89.96 over the MAP price for that locomotive. Now when you factor in the Shipping price of $8.22 and State Sales Tax $10.20, that is still a savings of  $71.54. This is why MAP pricing is killing the Local Hobby Shops, with that savings I can purchase a few freight cars along with that locomotive, whereas if I purchased that locomotive at my Local Hobby Shop, that would be the only thing I could afford to purchase. Yes it's great to walk thought the Local Hobby Shop and view all the items on the shelves, but as prices continue to rise faster than my pay, I'm forced to shop online to try and stretch my hobby budget. This is just the unfortunate side of life in the world today, I really enjoy the internet and belonging to a forum where I can talk with people from different countries and meet people who I'd otherwise never had met ( Hi Andy  :wave: ) who share the same hobby as me. But sadly paying my monthly service fee to my internet provider subtracts from my hobby budget, now more than ever I need to make my hobby budget stretch as far as possible. 
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on July 12, 2020, 10:13:25 AM
Hi Rich.  Remember Horseshoe Curve....... :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

Er Sorry.....

You could do what I did in my last MHRR video and just run a train on the layout, if nothing else has been happening.  A video of that would be great!  Then you could post here saying something along the lines of "Here's my latest video....."

Just an idea Mate!

Andy
UK
Stay Safe My Friends
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 12, 2020, 01:58:16 PM
Hi Rich.  Remember Horseshoe Curve....... :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

Er Sorry.....

You could do what I did in my last MHRR video and just run a train on the layout, if nothing else has been happening.  A video of that would be great!  Then you could post here saying something along the lines of "Here's my latest video....."

Just an idea Mate!

Andy
UK
Stay Safe My Friends

Hi Andy,
    I've been thinking about it, but don't expect anything fancy like you and Dats produce. It will probably be a low lit, poorly focused video with some hillbilly mumbling in the background  :smiley-laughing:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on July 12, 2020, 04:29:23 PM
"Don't expect anything fancy like you and Dats produce...."

 :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:

Oh you were being serious.  Er, OK, Thank you for the compliment!  I always assume people like watching the Montrose and Highland Railroad videos to encourage them to see that their layouts are often better than ones which we publish on Youtube!!!!

Andy
UK
Stay Safe My Friends
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 13, 2020, 03:07:28 PM
Here you go Andy and Dats, try not to laugh too hard  :D



Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on July 14, 2020, 10:13:09 AM
Hi Rich

Why would we laugh?  You should take a look at MHRR 1 sometime if you want to look at someone with terrible camera skills!

I enjoyed watching the Penn Central local going through.  Have you considered a simple backdrop of trees round the back of the layout, where you did your runround?  I can send you an email with the backdrop as an attachment if you'd find that useful?  Print them out and paste them to the wall!

Anyway, Thank you for sharing your layout Rich!

Andy
UK
Stay Safe My Friends
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: BradC on July 14, 2020, 01:42:09 PM
Wow texhorse, that layout looks huge for just being on a door, great use of space!  The running system looks amazing.

Great work!
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Maurice on July 14, 2020, 02:41:03 PM
You know, I think I need a Penn Central green boxcar or two on my layout. May have to cover the PC reporting marks and change to CR but keep the paint scheme. Like that one with the aluminum roof. Thanks for the inspiration.
Cheers!
Maurice
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 14, 2020, 03:04:56 PM

Have you considered a simple backdrop of trees round the back of the layout, where you did your runround? 

Andy
UK
Stay Safe My Friends

Hi Andy, The location where the runaround move was made is the Midland Interchange Yard. 

Yes, I am considering a backdrop for that area, but first I need to attach a backboard to the layout as the wife does not want anything glued or taped to the walls.
You know the old saying, "Happy Wife, Happy Life" and since she's not thrown me to the curb yet, I think I'll grant her wishes  :)

Eventually I want to put a backdrop behind the Midland Interchange yard and the hillside that contains both the Sliding Hill Tunnel and the Aching Back tunnel.

Here is the track schematic for reference.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/96/6318-140720150046.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=96910)

Thanks for not laughing too hard at my low tech video  :smiley-laughing: 
When I have a little more time, I may try to upload a follow up video of the local switching the industries in Long Valley.
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 14, 2020, 03:10:59 PM
You know, I think I need a Penn Central green boxcar or two on my layout. May have to cover the PC reporting marks and change to CR but keep the paint scheme. Like that one with the aluminum roof. Thanks for the inspiration.
Cheers!
Maurice

Hi Maurice, The PC boxcar with the aluminum roof is an Atlas car. The two PC boxcars seen at Snyder Box are from Bachmann and ESM. Thanks for watching the video and your welcome for the inspiration, I think? I have to warn you, that is how it all started with me. Just one PC boxcar and before you knew it the entire layout was taken over by the Penn Central  :smiley-laughing:  :laugh3:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 14, 2020, 03:11:52 PM
Wow texhorse, that layout looks huge for just being on a door, great use of space!  The running system looks amazing.

Great work!

Thank you for the compliments.
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on July 14, 2020, 03:34:29 PM
Hi BradC

I can't take any credit at all for this layout, as it belongs to Rich!

Andy
UK
Stay Safe My Friends
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: BradC on July 14, 2020, 05:19:07 PM
Oh sorry about that, my compliments to Rich then!!!!  Thanks for the clarification texhorse

Take care and Stay safe
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 15, 2020, 05:30:43 PM
Oh sorry about that, my compliments to Rich then!!!!  Thanks for the clarification texhorse

Take care and Stay safe


Thank you Brad for the compliments on the layout  :)
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 17, 2020, 02:36:38 PM
For your viewing pleasure, a couple of low tech videos of a day with "Annie" on the Long Valley Branch.





Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Maurice on July 17, 2020, 04:12:16 PM
Nice video, it would be even better with those nice Black diesels back in charge. Maybe patched out to Conrail? Just saying.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers!
Maurice
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 17, 2020, 04:52:06 PM
Nice video, it would be even better with those nice Black diesels back in charge. Maybe patched out to Conrail? Just saying.
Keep up the good work.
Cheers!
Maurice

Hi Maurice, Thanks for the compliments on the videos. Hopefully everyone can view Part 2 OK? For some unknown reason YouTube is stuck on 95% processing of the video but gave me a link to share the video.

As for CR patched, I'm not a fan of the rainbow era on Conrail. For me it's either Penn Central worms or Conrail Blue.  Having lived through that era, it was tough to see all those fallen flags in patch paint. In my opinion, It just seemed like a new railroad when everything turned blue.  :)
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: BradC on July 17, 2020, 05:41:39 PM
Hi, the videos play fine and very good to watch, well done!  I need to make some videos too once all my layout track arrives haha, might do a few on the test tracks I have already...

Great work, keep it up!  Keep the videos coming!
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: texhorse on July 17, 2020, 09:11:58 PM
You heard it Rich!  Keep those videos coming!

Andy
UK
Stay Safe My Friends
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: dats475 on July 17, 2020, 10:55:59 PM
Seconded!
Pictures are great but sometimes I want to see the actual operation and running trains on the video format.
Please keep coming with more footages!
I need to know how you run trains on this magnificent layout gem!!

Dats
P.S. I can’t see the second video with my daughter’s iPad but can see on my cheap cellphone. It doesn’t show up on your YouTube channel either.
So I can’t leave a comment on your video on YouTube.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 18, 2020, 03:58:19 PM

Dats
P.S. I can’t see the second video with my daughter’s iPad but can see on my cheap cellphone. It doesn’t show up on your YouTube channel either.
So I can’t leave a comment on your video on YouTube.  :hmmm:

Hi Dats, Let me know if you can view the second video now?

Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: dats475 on July 19, 2020, 01:00:16 AM
Yes, I can see it now.
Thank you very much.
Excellent videos!
I’m looking forward to seeing more!!!

Dats
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 21, 2020, 02:43:16 PM
In this final episode we watch the Long Valley Branch crew work the Vulcan Steel Fabricators sidings. They will then reassemble their train for the trip back to the Midland Interchange yard. Before departing Long Valley, the crew will stop at the Long Valley Interlocking tower to pickup their train orders for the return trip.



Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Maurice on July 22, 2020, 12:16:10 AM
Good video, thanks for sharing. I like that paint scheme much better. I am confused on one point. Vulcan Metal fabricators, they received fabricated metal parts (pipe I believe) and they shipped baled scrap metal (steel I assume). Is that correct?
Cheers!
Maurice
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Rich_S on July 22, 2020, 02:40:30 PM
Good video, thanks for sharing. I like that paint scheme much better. I am confused on one point. Vulcan Metal fabricators, they received fabricated metal parts (pipe I believe) and they shipped baled scrap metal (steel I assume). Is that correct?
Cheers!
Maurice

Hi Maurice, Vulcan Steel Fabricators receives beams and angles via 50' gondolas. They make structural steel buildings which they ship to the various job sites by truck. The scraps from the process are crushed into bails and shipped back to the steel mills. They also receive tank cars of Hydrochloric acid used to pickle the steel. Thanks for watching and thanks for the feedback. Hopefully these videos will give everyone some ideas for operating small layouts.

 
Title: Re: Introducing the Long Valley Industrial Railroad
Post by: Maurice on July 22, 2020, 03:06:57 PM
Ah, now I understand. See, I confuse easily. I thought it was a foundry that manufactured steel beams and such. Makes sense now.
Thanks.
Maurice
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