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Title: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Railwaygun on September 10, 2017, 10:31:48 PM
Expressions of interest are being collected for a 4-unit APT-E model

get them in now!!

http://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/)

this is a video of an  APT-E P by AN Other ( but a very nice model - please correct me!)( + bonus Pendolino)

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23000.msg463946#msg463946 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23000.msg463946#msg463946)



Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: RailGooner on September 10, 2017, 11:06:18 PM
Interest expressed. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: red_death on September 11, 2017, 12:28:31 AM
@Railwaygun (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=941) thanks for starting this thread - I got home from TINGS put up the news item on our website about the APT-E then promptly fell asleep for a few hour...

The expressions of interest page is http://www.revolutiontrains.com/apt-e/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/apt-e/) - as ever it will only happen if enough people want a model of an APT-E!

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: cutting42 on September 11, 2017, 12:32:37 AM

this is a video of an  APT-E by AN Other ( but a very nice model - please correct me!)( + bonus Pendolino)


Model shown on Kings Park is an APT-P (prototype - electric powered )not the APT-E (experimental) gas turbine powered.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Mustermark on September 11, 2017, 03:31:57 AM
I am so excited by this. I exchanged e-mails with Jason from Rapido a year or two ago about the possibility of shrinking the fabulous OO version (which I bought just to put on display) down to N, even if it was only to 3D print. But the possibility that we could see this with the quality RevolutioN has established is just so exciting. Let's all express our over excited interest in this iconic train! Tilt or not, I want one. But preferably with tilt. And the sarnie doorstop, of course!
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: pape_timmo on September 11, 2017, 06:11:15 AM
Interest expressed...

Definitely want one of these, ever since I was a kid...

Cheers, Timmo
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: JonHarbour on September 11, 2017, 07:52:32 AM
Have also expressed interest... really hope this one flies!
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Ian Bowden on September 11, 2017, 08:23:33 AM
Expressed interest. Hope we have more running than BR did.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: zwilnik on September 11, 2017, 08:33:25 AM
Itís an iconic train. Doesnít matter what era your layout is this is one to impress  friends and neighbours with like the Pendilino. Interest expressed :)
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: JonHarbour on September 11, 2017, 08:43:21 AM
Itís an iconic train. Doesnít matter what era your layout is this is one to impress  friends and neighbours with like the Pendilino. Interest expressed :)

Couldn't agree more! Particularly if Rapido work an engineering miracle and produce a working tilt mechanism in N!
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: JBQFC on September 11, 2017, 09:29:57 AM
me to something i have always wanted  :claphappy:
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: GroupC on September 11, 2017, 09:32:47 AM
APT-E... yes please!!!!!!!
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Bob G on September 11, 2017, 09:47:38 AM
Interest expressed.
Just as I was about to sell my blue-grey and move entirely to transition southern steam....
Rule 1 says APT-E alongside Spam Cans is perfectly acceptable!
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Bob Tidbury on September 11, 2017, 09:52:01 AM
Yes the APT-E is another must have set I would prefer it to be able to tilt as I would have liked the Pendolino to have done but never mind I still want one and a ready to run Proto type HST would be nice  now that Dapol have dropped it .
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Bob G on September 11, 2017, 09:56:29 AM
Maybe Revolution will consider a Thumper next? With prototype sound.
Another iconic model which ran over many eras. And another multiple unit, which they seem to be good at.
Bob
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: ntpntpntp on September 11, 2017, 10:03:27 AM
.... Particularly if Rapido work an engineering miracle and produce a working tilt mechanism in N!
Fleischmann have been making a couple of N gauge models with tilt for many years  (ICE-T set and the BR610 Pendolino unit), so it's perfectly feasible.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: red_death on September 11, 2017, 11:14:19 AM
We know how to do a tilting mechanism, it is more a case of can we fit it in the articulated bogies (and make sure it is reliable/not too fiddly!).

For the Pendolino we deliberately didn't try to include tilt as the real thing doesn't tilt at low speed - it tilts when activated by lineside balisses typically at higher speeds - and we figured that the majority of people will have Pendolinos running through points and stations.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Railwaygun on September 11, 2017, 11:40:15 AM
Tilting  APT - how much do the Pendo's tilt - what is the 1/148 equivalent?? is it measurable??
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: red_death on September 11, 2017, 12:02:20 PM
I'll ask Kit (Mr Tilt) Spackman next time I see him - IIRC the Pendolino tilts less than the APT-E could.

In less than 24 hours since making the expressions of interest form visible (some idiot (me) put the page up before TINGS but didn't add it to any menus or news item) we've had expressions of interest in about 10% of the total we need to convince Rapido that there is enough demand.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Steven B on September 11, 2017, 12:17:34 PM
The APT-P (electric powered version rather than the APT-E Revolution are proposing) tilted by 6" at the roof level - 1mm in N Gauge.

On the APT the tilt was active - calculated as a function of speed and curve radius.

Personally I'm not fussed about a tilting model. 0.5 to 1mm cant on track looks much better!

Steven B.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: woodbury22uk on September 11, 2017, 12:21:56 PM
I am one of the 10% who have expressed an interest so far. Although I am not to bothered by tilt, I might push the boat out a bit further if a sound version is available. Rather fancy some turbine noise to give the neighbour's cat a new interest in self-preservation. ;-)
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: PaulCheffus on September 11, 2017, 12:24:35 PM
I am one of the 10% who have expressed an interest so far. Although I am not to bothered by tilt, I might push the boat out a bit further if a sound version is available. Rather fancy some turbine noise to give the neighbour's cat a new interest in self-preservation. ;-)

Hi

I'm assuming if it goes ahead then sound will be an option like with the Pendolino, etc.

Signed up the moment I saw the announcement.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Vonzack on September 11, 2017, 12:32:31 PM
Nice to see this being done, interest expressed.

Would it be viable to look at doing the ATP-POP at the same time?
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: JonHarbour on September 11, 2017, 12:50:32 PM
I'll ask Kit (Mr Tilt) Spackman next time I see him - IIRC the Pendolino tilts less than the APT-E could.

In less than 24 hours since making the expressions of interest form visible (some idiot (me) put the page up before TINGS but didn't add it to any menus or news item) we've had expressions of interest in about 10% of the total we need to convince Rapido that there is enough demand.

Cheers, Mike

The quick initial take-up on this is a testimony to the quality of the products produced so far by RevolutioN and RevolutioN's growing reputation Mike. People have seen that it isn't just talk and the resulting models are some of the finest pieces of N Gauge rolling stock produced to date.

My only regret is I never ordered any of the TEA tankers!  :-[
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: zwilnik on September 11, 2017, 01:00:54 PM


The quick initial take-up on this is a testimony to the quality of the products produced so far by RevolutioN and RevolutioN's growing reputation Mike. People have seen that it isn't just talk and the resulting models are some of the finest pieces of N Gauge rolling stock produced to date.

My only regret is I never ordered any of the TEA tankers!  :-[

I'm wondering at what point do Revolution buy up Hornby for the LOLs (and the rights to various other models)? :)
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: woodbury22uk on September 11, 2017, 01:02:48 PM
Nice to see this being done, interest expressed.

Would it be viable to look at doing the ATP-POP at the same time?


There is a 3D design being printed in 00 which is also scale-able to N.

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/114295-apt-pop-train-kit-under-design-construction/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/114295-apt-pop-train-kit-under-design-construction/)
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: red_death on September 11, 2017, 02:01:41 PM
Hi folks

I would assume that we would be able to get access to the same sound files as the OO version used. We definitely like to offer factory fitted DCC sound when possible.

The POP train would be a completely new project I'm afraid (and one that I suspect would be better etched or 3D printed).

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: KiraKat on September 11, 2017, 02:57:36 PM
Can't wait to get  my hands on one, I love the APT series of trains!
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: captainelectra on September 11, 2017, 03:30:13 PM
This is a "must have" for me and I've already signed up. Regarding tilt, it is FAR more pronounced on the APT than the Pendolino and I feel its absence would be noticeable.

That said, it is not a deal breaker for me but would be great to have.

I was fortunate enough to be able to spend a couple of years with the APT-E Support Group at York NRM, prior to the move to Shildon, which placed it a bit out of range for me. It truly is a fascinating train, with aeronautic-style bodyshells, some areas looking as though they have come from a Gerry Anderson series and other pieces so wonderfully over-engineered, they could have come off a Black Five!

Here's a selection of images that may pique your interest...

https://flic.kr/s/aHsm4efuw9
 (https://flic.kr/s/aHsm4efuw9)
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Bob G on September 11, 2017, 05:54:49 PM
https://flic.kr/s/aHsm4efuw9
 (https://flic.kr/s/aHsm4efuw9)

I had a look at the photos - the technology inside is soooooo antiquated. I remember when I saw the space shuttle in the Smithsonian in Washington DC, how ancient it looked, but this scares me rigid. Punch card readers? Drivers cab like the 1960s series of Star Trek. OMG its scary!

But I do remember the tilt - it seemed to tilt for ever.

Bob

Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Dalek on September 12, 2017, 09:33:09 AM
Defo having one of these, would also like an APT-E and the prototype HST, go talk to the Dapol guys please Revolution about taking on the HST since its not going to happen with Dapol anytime soon, i was asking them on Sunday at TINGs and mentioned this to @Ben A (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94)

Craig
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Philip. on September 12, 2017, 12:02:26 PM
take my money - interest expressed  :claphappy: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Nighthawk on September 12, 2017, 01:34:22 PM
Have added my name to the list.  I just hope I don't have to part with any more cash before I've ordered a few more "Esso" tank wagons!

John
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Roy L S on September 12, 2017, 05:20:35 PM
Interest expressed also.

In the event that it reaches the required threshold and goes ahead I'm sure there will be many design considerations that differ from it's 00 cousin. Personally I am not at all bothered whether it tilts or not but I would hope it could be persuaded round at least R2 curves otherwise mine would of necessity end up as a "shelf queen" and I'd hate that.

Roy
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: robert shrives on September 12, 2017, 05:39:10 PM
Me to, shown interest in having two - for a bit of rule one playing.....

Robert
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Richard G Dallimore on September 12, 2017, 08:34:24 PM
I expressed interest based on the money being late 2018 and early 2019 with this level of interest I may be in trouble, but I'll have to find a way. Protype HST a year or so later please money to challenging at the moment.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Calnefoxile on September 12, 2017, 11:01:44 PM

Signed up for one.

Just got to have one of these, can I ask that the cost be spread evenly and over a bit longer.

Cheers

Neal
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Ian Morton on September 13, 2017, 10:03:10 AM
Interest expressed and saving started.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: rusticged on September 14, 2017, 04:15:45 PM
 :thumbsup:
Likewise, interest expressed and saving but I do hope the HOA wagons come on stream first.
Cheers,
Ged.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Ben A on September 16, 2017, 12:44:36 PM

Hello all,

I am sure the HOA wagons will remain ahead of the putative APT-E as the CADs are already complete.

Several people have commented on the possibility of tilt.  I believe there are some continental/Japanese models that have tilt - ICE, some Shinkansen? - does anyone on this group own any of these models?  If so how does the tilt work, and how effective is it?  If you have more than one tilt model which is the best, and why?

It's very early days for the APT-E but assessing how others have gone about recreating tilt would be useful; I have no tilting models myself.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: zwilnik on September 16, 2017, 12:59:31 PM

Hello all,

I am sure the HOA wagons will remain ahead of the putative APT-E as the CADs are already complete.

Several people have commented on the possibility of tilt.  I believe there are some continental/Japanese models that have tilt - ICE, some Shinkansen? - does anyone on this group own any of these models?  If so how does the tilt work, and how effective is it?  If you have more than one tilt model which is the best, and why?

It's very early days for the APT-E but assessing how others have gone about recreating tilt would be useful; I have no tilting models myself.

Cheers

Ben A.

Just put them on wobbly bogies ;)
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: KiraKat on September 16, 2017, 02:06:55 PM

Hello all,

I am sure the HOA wagons will remain ahead of the putative APT-E as the CADs are already complete.

Several people have commented on the possibility of tilt.  I believe there are some continental/Japanese models that have tilt - ICE, some Shinkansen? - does anyone on this group own any of these models?  If so how does the tilt work, and how effective is it?  If you have more than one tilt model which is the best, and why?

It's very early days for the APT-E but assessing how others have gone about recreating tilt would be useful; I have no tilting models myself.

Cheers

Ben A.

The ICE-T works on the same principle as the Hornby APT-P it has wedges on the bogies and underside of the bodyshell which when they turn results in the body tilting!
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: captainelectra on September 16, 2017, 03:35:50 PM
I was also going to suggest using the Hornby APT tilt mechanism for inspiration - it's simple and works.

Are there plans to release extra centre cars, should anyone want to (unprototypically) extend their set beyond 4-coaches? Rapido did this with the OO version but I don't know what the uptake was like.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: railsquid on September 16, 2017, 04:23:21 PM

Hello all,

I am sure the HOA wagons will remain ahead of the putative APT-E as the CADs are already complete.

Several people have commented on the possibility of tilt.  I believe there are some continental/Japanese models that have tilt - ICE, some Shinkansen? - does anyone on this group own any of these models?  If so how does the tilt work, and how effective is it?  If you have more than one tilt model which is the best, and why?
Shinkansens don't tilt, the routes are designed so that's not necessary, but some conventional "Limited Express" trains do. The example I have is the Kato E351 "Super Azusa", the tilt is very effective and visible on curves, e.g.:



I'm not in the mood to dig it out at the moment (it's late and I'm tired), IIRC the mechanism is as described for the APT/ICE-T in above posts.

Individual cars are available 2nd hand quite cheaply here, I could easily acquire an example if required.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Ben A on September 16, 2017, 04:35:51 PM

Hi there,

Just dug out a couple of videos and the Super Asuza does seem to tilt very effectively - thanks.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: cjdodd on September 16, 2017, 06:23:23 PM
I'm in for one, I was always in awe of this train, remember going to Crewe heritage centre as a kid just to see it.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Dalek on September 16, 2017, 06:30:58 PM
I'd be more interested in the option to have sound over tilting, someone said on a previous post it would tilt only 1mm to be correct to scale ? If thats correct i'm not sure i would notice !

Craig
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: zwilnik on September 16, 2017, 06:33:02 PM
I'd be more interested in the option to have sound over tilting, someone said on a previous post it would tilt only 1mm to be correct to scale ? If thats correct i'm not sure i would notice !

Craig

and if it was DC sound like the Farish Castle, even more so. (I'm guessing you'd go the built in DCC chip like your design for the Hunslet )
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Ben A on September 16, 2017, 06:41:51 PM

Hi all,

If the model does happen then we would offer a DCC Sound option, after all Rapido have all the sound data needed from their 00 model.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: captainelectra on September 16, 2017, 09:00:50 PM
I'd be more interested in the option to have sound over tilting, someone said on a previous post it would tilt only 1mm to be correct to scale ? If thats correct i'm not sure i would notice !

Craig


The tilt on the Pendolino is negligible from the outside and not noticeable in N but the APT had a much greater degree of tilt.

http://www.pecopublications.co.uk/apt-e-announced-by-rapido-trains.html (http://www.pecopublications.co.uk/apt-e-announced-by-rapido-trains.html)
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: d-a-n on September 17, 2017, 09:46:39 AM
Very interested. There was a head on photo of this moving on the cover of one of my father's railway books and I was always a bit frustrated that we couldn't have a model of it so I'm making damn sure I get one of these!! I'm not fussed about tilt, just as long as it runs well and reliably, the rest of the time, it's going to be on display.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Mustermark on September 17, 2017, 03:30:15 PM
Just to help get everyone excited about this model...

In 1975, an 11 year old boy and his dad travelled on a clunky old DMU the four miles from Tilehurst to Reading to witness the visit of the APT-E. It was very possibly the record breaking run on August 10th because our neighbour worked for BR at the Cow Lane depot and he tipped my dad off about it. She was parked up in a siding at the west end of the station for a while, and she was also in the centre track between plaforms 4 and 5 for a time before heading back to Swindon. This gave me a chance to snap a few pics of this iconic train, which turns out to be one of the most exciting things I ever saw (not in the same league as Space Shuttle Atlantis' launch on STS-132 in 2010 but pretty bloomin' cool for a young boy who had been trainspotting for a matter of a year by then).

Anyone with more detailed info on what's going on in my old photos would be much appreciated.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/103-170917140109-55892259.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/103-170917140112-55921776.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/103-170917140111-55920853.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/103-170917140109-55892329.jpeg)

A couple of jolly interesting links; the first of which has the iconic picture of the tilt in action (probably the one d-a-n refers to)... it is definitely enough to readily noticed at N scale.

https://alchetron.com/British-Rail-APT-E-1978303-W (https://alchetron.com/British-Rail-APT-E-1978303-W)

http://www.old-dalby.com/apt-e.htm (http://www.old-dalby.com/apt-e.htm)

Interested yet? Go on, you know you are...
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Hiawatha on September 17, 2017, 05:26:58 PM
Expressed interest for one and would also buy some add-on cars (like a two-car set) if they were available. (I think I would have ordered at least one more version of Rapido's Turbotrain if two-car add-on sets were available for the two early liveries.)

And you really should invest in one of Fleischmann's ICE-T intermediate coaches to examine the tilt mechanism. ;)
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: pape_timmo on September 17, 2017, 07:56:44 PM
Just to help get everyone excited about this model...



([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/103-170917140109-55892259.jpeg[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/103-170917140112-55921776.jpeg[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/103-170917140111-55920853.jpeg[/url])

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/103-170917140109-55892329.jpeg[/url])

Interested yet? Go on, you know you are...


Hi Mustermark, would you mind if I shared these pictures on the Reading General Facebook page please? A number of my colleagues may be interested.

Cheers, Timmo
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Bob G on September 17, 2017, 11:22:14 PM
These immensely useful photos need the colour balance correcting. a number of my prints of the same era went the same way - many photo editing packages will correct the colour balance and restore the blues to the photograph.

Bob
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Chetcombe on September 18, 2017, 04:13:59 AM
Regardless of the color balance, those photos from @Mustermark (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=103) are fabulous. They reminded me that the APT-E had travelled on the mainline, so my perspective immediately changed from 'how can I justify this' to 'how can I not justify this'  :toot:

After all, if I can justify a 'lost' Blue Pullman then an APT-E on a test run is a doozy!

Interest duly expressed...
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Mustermark on September 18, 2017, 10:57:20 AM
Expressed interest for one and would also buy some add-on cars (like a two-car set) if they were available.

Good point about add-on cars for a pretend in-service operation... I'd go for a second if that was an option. Am already thinking about two anyway... a pristine new one and a weathered one ready for preservation. I could be in for three at this rate!
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: red_death on September 18, 2017, 11:19:53 AM
Add on coaches will be possible as they were with the 4mm version (as it is no extra tooling).

Mark @Mustermark (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=103) - thanks for the fabulous photos.

The classic photo for me is always the prototype HST and APT-E meeting at Swindon: http://www.apt-e.org/index/apt89.htm (http://www.apt-e.org/index/apt89.htm)

In testing it got up and down most of the Midland Mainline (including into St Pancras) and onto the Western Region (as far as Swindon?).

Cheers, Mike

Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Calnefoxile on September 18, 2017, 12:02:13 PM
In testing it got up and down most of the Midland Mainline (including into St Pancras)

Cheers, Mike

Hence my excitement at the news after constantly badgering Mike and Ben to shrink it  :D :D :D

I remember seeing it 2 or 3 times when I was a nipper at Leicester Station, what a magnificent piece of British engineering it was and also after listening to Kit Spackmans talks which I never get bored of, I just have to have one..

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: d-a-n on September 18, 2017, 12:08:29 PM
Are these scanned from the print or are they scanned from the neg? If you wouldn't mind MusterMark, I'll have a go at sorting the balance?
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Bob Tidbury on September 18, 2017, 01:00:10 PM
B H E are hoping to release the Prototype H S T soon it will only be a 3D printed Power car but Electro Graphics can do vynals for the coaches ,I have got one of the test prints and three coaches and a dummy Scotrail 47 on.my layout and a photo of that formation running on the Great Central North if I new how to I would put some pictures on here. I have tried but Im useless at technology.

However I have expressed interest in a complete powered set from Revolution if it goes ahead ,another family Christmas or Birthday  present sorted .

They would look good as a line up
Prototype H S T
APT E
HST
VOYAGER
POPPYLINO
That would be amazeing.
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Only Me on September 18, 2017, 01:09:13 PM
B H E are hoping to release the Prototype H S T soon it will only be a 3D printed Power car but Electro Graphics can do vynals for the coaches ,I have got one of thetest prints and three coaches and s dummy Scotrail 47 on.my layout and a photo of that formation running on the Great Central North if I new how to I would put some pictures on here. I have tried but Im useless at technology.
They would look good as a lineup
Prototype H S T
APT E
HST
VOYAGER
POPPYLINO
That would be amazeing.
Bob Tidbury


Simple instructions here @Bob Tidbury (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3442)  :-

Uploading Pictures to The Forum (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=33908.msg464454)
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: red_death on September 18, 2017, 05:13:31 PM
Just to give people a quick update after a week or so of this potential project announcement we have reached approx. 25% of the total we would realistically need to make this go ahead.

On the question about tilt less than 10% of people have said that they wouldn't purchase without tilt (though we are actively investigating articulated tilt).

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: rusticged on September 18, 2017, 05:32:53 PM
 :wave: :thumbsup:
Thanks for the update Mike

The info in the next round of model railway magazines should bring a good boost and all of us who have expressed interest so far will keep spreading the word!!
Cheers,
Ged.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: captainelectra on September 18, 2017, 09:58:13 PM
Good stuff, Mike. I'll keep mercilessly plugging away via the ERG Facebook page and in the next website update.

I really want this to happen and one day to see APT-E tilting over Ribblehead Viaduct...

EDIT: I've added a link to the project page from the Electra home page and What's new page. Let's charge those turbines!!
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Graham on September 18, 2017, 10:25:23 PM
Just to give people a quick update after a week or so of this potential project announcement we have reached approx. 25% of the total we would realistically need to make this go ahead.

On the question about tilt less than 10% of people have said that they wouldn't purchase without tilt (though we are actively investigating articulated tilt).

Cheers, Mike
thanks for the update, done the form.
cheers
Graham
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: cornish yorkie on October 08, 2017, 10:04:18 AM
 :hellosign: Can`t believe I go on holiday & miss the first announcment, a definite must have so have duly expressed interest,
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Gareth from Down Under on October 28, 2017, 12:00:56 PM
Please add this to the eoi

Just expressed my interest on the website

Thanks  :claphappy:
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: PostModN66 on October 28, 2017, 12:49:59 PM
Missed this before....have now expressed myself!

....but I would like some 321s first  :confused1:

Cheers

Jon  :)
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: G_N_E_R on October 28, 2017, 04:36:23 PM
Tilt would be marvellous, the Fleischmann ICE T looks incredible indeed! Fire up the turbines and bring the APT-E   :claphappy:
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Bob Tidbury on October 28, 2017, 07:53:46 PM
Ive allready expressed interest in the A P T- E as I like the unusual things My Proto Type HST looks quite good  it was painted by Stuart Wright of this Forum ,with three coaches with Electra Graphics  Vynals and as I said has a dummy Scotrail  47  on the end .
When I finaly work out the instructions from Only Me I might be able to put pictures on here Paul has told me before how to do it but Im so thick when it comes to this that I just get confused ,it must be my grey matter is dying.My son has also tried to show me but hes given up as well.
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Shiney Sheff on October 30, 2017, 06:50:31 PM
Just seen this and have expressed my interest too.  :)
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Mustermark on November 10, 2017, 01:51:18 AM
I'm dying to know how well the expressions of interest are going for this... and desperate to hear that it's going ahead!
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Ben A on November 10, 2017, 08:19:34 AM

Hi Mark,

It's not at the stage yet where we can say for sure that it's going ahead, but we have the Warley National Model Railway show at the NEC coming up and we are hoping to raise awareness of this project there.  We are on stand B029, next to Rapido.

But I think Mike and I have always felt this one could be something of a slow burn, so we won't be too disheartened if it takes longer than other projects to generate the required levels of interest.

Cheers

Ben
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: pape_timmo on November 10, 2017, 09:16:01 AM
All I can say is ĎPlease Please Please Please.....?í

Cheers, Timmo
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: red_death on November 10, 2017, 03:22:38 PM
A quick update:

After a fast start things have started to slow down (not unexpectedly), we're somewhere between 33%-40% of the total expressions of interest we'd need (the range is because it depends on the exact minimum order number that Rapido want).

The vast majority of people still say that tilt is not a dealbreaker.  Having said which if we can do tilt then we will.

On that note, if anyone has a spare tilting Fleischmann ICE T that they might be willing to sell (working or not) or even just a spare coach then please PM me.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: KiraKat on November 10, 2017, 03:39:10 PM
A quick update:

After a fast start things have started to slow down (not unexpectedly), we're somewhere between 33%-40% of the total expressions of interest we'd need (the range is because it depends on the exact minimum order number that Rapido want).

The vast majority of people still say that tilt is not a dealbreaker.  Having said which if we can do tilt then we will.

On that note, if anyone has a spare tilting Fleischmann ICE T that they might be willing to sell (working or not) or even just a spare coach then please PM me.

Cheers, Mike

Hi Mike I just checked on ebay and there is a ICE-T set for around Ä300 and some individual carriages for around Ä60 ish each not had much luck finding any shops in the uk with it though, hope this is of some use for you

Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: captainelectra on November 10, 2017, 04:06:29 PM
I've got a couple of Hornby APT coaches somewhere if anyone's interested.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Yet_Another on February 01, 2018, 07:31:00 PM
Notwithstanding the usual disclaimers, how are the expressions of interest going?
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Shiney Sheff on April 02, 2018, 04:45:43 PM
I was at York show over the weekend and having expressed an interest for one a while back,  noticed flyers on the desk for the APT-E, is there an update or any progression?

Bob
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Richard G Dallimore on April 02, 2018, 04:53:46 PM
Having asked the expressions are going well, I won't quote numbers as I may (probably) get it wrong. But I was quite surprised so I am sure once Ben and Mike have dealt with the Pendo's and the Class B's their minds might return to this, great idea. If this is succesful perhaps Dapol will / can be persuaded to revisit the HST prototype.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Bob Tidbury on April 02, 2018, 06:59:02 PM
I really would love an A P.T -E  I allready have a 3D printed Proto type H S T and 3 coaches with Electra Graphics and a dummy Scotrail 47 as I have seen a photo of that on the G C R North .Now I have started to seriously started to thin down some of my locos and stock that I very rarely run I might have enough money to actually pay for an A P T -E  if it goes ahead .
I allso managed to buy a kit built L M S 10,000 as a non runner at a very good price and after changeing  all the wheels and mending the bogie side frames it runs reasonably well ,I now need to find the right transfer number to change it to 10,001 so that I have the L M S twins.
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Bob G on April 02, 2018, 11:21:58 PM
I really would love an A P.T -E  I allready have a 3D printed Proto type H S T and 3 coaches with Electra Graphics and a dummy Scotrail 47 as I have seen a photo of that on the G C R North .Now I have started to seriously started to thin down some of my locos and stock that I very rarely run I might have enough money to actually pay for an A P T -E  if it goes ahead .
I allso managed to buy a kit built L M S 10,000 as a non runner at a very good price and after changeing  all the wheels and mending the bogie side frames it runs reasonably well ,I now need to find the right transfer number to change it to 10,001 so that I have the L M S twins.
Bob Tidbury

Remember only 10000 was LMS branded. The other had nothing to start with.
Like all good models, they had more livery variations than running numbers!

Best
Bob
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: NeMo on April 03, 2018, 08:53:46 AM
I now need to find the right transfer number to change it to 10,001 so that I have the L M S twins.

Remember only 10000 was LMS branded. The other had nothing to start with.
Like all good models, they had more livery variations than running numbers!


But also remember it's your railway @Bob Tidbury (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3442) and if you want to run both both 'Twins' under LMS auspices, that's entirely and absolutely at your discretion -- and nobody, however well read in such matters, is allowed to tell you it's wrong to do so!

Cheers,

NeMo
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Bob Tidbury on April 03, 2018, 09:06:04 AM
Thanks for the info guys,BUT we had better get back to the fact that we want a A P T-E which was the original post, sorry for the diversion .
Now that people have seen the production Pendos and have seen what a great job the whole team have done I am sure the expresions of interest  will come rolling in . I will be sorting out more stuff to sell so that I can pay up front for it . I want an A P T-E .please.
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Ben A on April 03, 2018, 09:13:13 AM

Hello all,

Thanks to all those who came for a chat at York.  Our next show is the DEMU Showcase in June, then it's TINGS and Warley.

APT-E expressions of interest are now well over half way, and I just checked and we have had well over a couple of dozen over the weekend, which is great.

We always anticipated that this model would be a bit of a slow burner, but to be over half way at only six months in is surprising and encouraging.  If expressions continue at roughly this pace, we *could* be in a position to give this model the green light early in 2019.

As has been said above, I think both Mike and I are optimistic that the evident quality of the Pendolino will reassure anyone who had concerns, and we may see further uptake in both the APT-E and the Class 321/320 units.

I honestly feel these are exciting times to be an N gauge modeller.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: cjdodd on April 03, 2018, 09:48:44 AM
Revolution Trains have been a breath of fresh air in the N Gauge world. Given some new life to it. You actually listen to what people want and you are prepaired to put some of the more obscure stuff on the table for people to make decisions over. Now Iíve got my Pendolino Iíll be investing in more models in the future.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: carlmt on April 09, 2018, 10:20:05 PM
Just noticed this and, regardless of the fact that I model German and Austrian N, an expression of interest has been made.

I remember seeing this beast fly through Slough one Thursday when I was at tech college - never forget it!

Cheers
Carl
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: RailGooner on November 24, 2018, 09:16:54 PM
..
In answer to the question about the APT-E - this has now reached minimum numbers and once we have finalised the exact specification with Rapido we'll be opening the order book properly.

Cheers

Ben A.

 :claphappy:
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: captainelectra on November 24, 2018, 10:11:20 PM
Awesome - can't wait  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Dalek on November 24, 2018, 10:21:31 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/71/3135-241118222124.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=71795)
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: cjdodd on November 24, 2018, 10:35:22 PM
I better start saving.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Graham on November 24, 2018, 10:41:11 PM
definitely a rule 1 purchase, but I want one
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Ben A on November 24, 2018, 11:46:39 PM

Hello all,

Further to my quoted comment above, we are now in a position where expressions of interest have crossed into viability.

However, we canít of course get to tooling this model if those expressions donít turn into actual orders when we open the order book very soon.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: carlmt on November 25, 2018, 12:15:18 AM
Very good news Ben!
What damage are we looking at for a deposit - and when would you like us to stump up?
Cheers
Carl
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Mustermark on November 25, 2018, 01:22:09 AM
This is great news!
I will sign up asap.
Will the add-on coaches still be an option to run the APT-E as it would have run as a scheduled service?
If so I may be up for two plus coaches... depending on the price.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Bob G on November 25, 2018, 10:40:26 AM
Congratulation Ben and you will have an order from me.

Now all we need is Dapol not to lose their bottle on the prototype HST.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Mustermark on November 25, 2018, 12:31:04 PM
Now all we need is Dapol not to lose their bottle on the prototype HST.

Yes, absolutely! It will be an N Gauge dream come true for me!
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: pape_timmo on November 25, 2018, 05:05:11 PM
Excellent news, as someone else said, any idea yet of a deposit sum please?

Cheers, Timmo
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: woodbury22uk on November 25, 2018, 05:17:23 PM
This is really good news. It doesn't need to tilt for me to enjoy it.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: carlmt on November 25, 2018, 05:55:12 PM
This is really good news. It doesn't need to tilt for me to enjoy it.

Agreed - this is a complication and expense that is not necessary in my book.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: JBQFC on November 26, 2018, 07:56:15 PM
This is really good news. It doesn't need to tilt for me to enjoy it.

Agreed - this is a complication and expense that is not necessary in my book.

yes me to no need for tilt
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Bob Tidbury on November 27, 2018, 09:21:56 AM
The real train didnít tilt that much and in N Gauge it would look a bit silly going round some of the tight curves on our layouts so I personally wonít mind if Revolution canít get the tilting mechanism to work even though my layout has got very gentle curves.
The Pendolino looks fantastic going round my layout even though it should tilt. I have got a class 57 Thunderbird in the front as I havnt got any overhead wires and to be honest never will ,the Pendolino actually pushes the 57 which to be truthfull is on an Ian Stoat dummy  47 chassis,itís not connected to the Pendolino so when it goes into the fiddle yard I just pick it up and put on the other end readyfor the return journey.
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Railwaygun on November 27, 2018, 11:07:09 PM
It might be cheaper to tilt / superelevate the track?
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: carlmt on November 27, 2018, 11:18:37 PM
It might be cheaper to tilt / superelevate the track?

Which is what I will be doing on my layout - although it is going to look odd having an APT belting down the Rhein!!

Rule 1 Rules  :claphappy: :claphappy:
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: JonHarbour on February 04, 2019, 10:38:26 AM
Is there any further news on when the order book for this will open?
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Ben A on February 06, 2019, 03:24:59 AM

Hi Jon,

We are still waiting for Rapido to confirm a price and schedule.  We can't open the order book until we know how much the model will cost!

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Bob Tidbury on February 06, 2019, 08:31:44 AM
Thanks for keeping us updated Ben  , I will have to start selling a few more locos so I will have enough money to order one .
Or be very nice to my Mother in Law and hope she can give me some money for the next two birthdays and Christmases .
I expect it will take a while to produce as Rapido are very busy with their own products .Though they allready have all the drawings and just need the shrinking machine so most of the work is done .
I just hope it will be a bargain price like he fantastic Pendolino though I realise that prices will not be as good now .
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Yet_Another on February 20, 2020, 07:27:53 PM
Given that some expressions of interest are now nearly two and a half years old, and some the people doing those expressions may have moved on in various ways, can we consider this one a non-starter?
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 20, 2020, 07:50:44 PM
 :hellosign:
 I for one expressed interest & I am still interested.
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Yet_Another on February 20, 2020, 08:08:36 PM
Well, me too. But my financial circumstances have certainly changed in the last two and a half years.
Title: Re: APT-E by Revolution
Post by: Dalek on February 20, 2020, 08:09:42 PM
Given that some expressions of interest are now nearly two and a half years old, and some the people doing those expressions may have moved on in various ways, can we consider this one a non-starter?

Hope not, in fact i'm hoping it gets anounced at Model Rail Scotland at the weekend, fingers crossed  :laugh3:
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