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Title: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 22, 2017, 03:50:08 PM
Every Table-Top Railway needs a table and this one, featuring splendid 'sixties formica, has been in our family for half a century. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/6222-220717154354.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=53618)

The table top is very heavy and is the wrong size, so it had better go!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/6222-220717154636.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=53619)

Now to get to work on a new table top.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 23, 2017, 01:36:18 PM
Hello

The weather this weekend has kept me out of the garden so I have been able to make a new table top from 9mm MDF with 9mm Sundeala on top.  I used offcuts left over from previous projects to save them going to waste, which means that both the MDF and Sundeala layers have joins.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/6222-230717130936.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=53676)

The plates are a temporary feature and are to encourage the Sundeala to get used to the idea of lying flat on the MDF.

This is the easiest baseboard that I have ever built!  Incidentally, the legs are easily detachable (wingnuts with a good Whitworth thread) so that the baseboard can sit on top of a bench to allow work to take place.

I wanted the baseboard dimensions to comply with the Golden Ratio to give a pleasing prospect, which means that it has worked out (with a bit of rounding) at 39 inches by 24 inches.  Here is an immediate advantage of British 'N' Gauge, as this would have been 6'6" x 4' in '00'.

The idea of the Table-Top Railway is to create, in British 'N' Gauge, the kind of 'train set' layout that I would have been transfixed by as a boy.  Back then, it would almost certainly have been a six by four with Hornby Dublo or Tri-ang trains whizzing round.  At least the dimensions are right.

Thank you very much for looking.

Best Wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: NeMo on July 23, 2017, 01:50:25 PM
Looks like a good start.

I agree, we sometimes get too bogged down in the details and forget about the sheer fun of playing trains. If you're part of a young family, being able to share this pleasure with children is especially rewarding!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: RailGooner on July 23, 2017, 01:58:41 PM
A neat solution John. Having decided to prioritise spending on MBH's garden make-over rather than my shed build, I think I need to consider a compact project too.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: broadsword on July 23, 2017, 02:16:22 PM
That looks good, a pair of ovals, a siding, small station etc
and a couple of trains running round, plenty of enjoyment.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 23, 2017, 04:12:24 PM
I feel inevitably the tracks will follow the baseboard edges so I'd consider what can prevent 'plummeting' should there be a derailment :hmmm: If you have a cheap source of clear plastic/perspex that would do.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: NeMo on July 23, 2017, 04:18:31 PM
I feel inevitably the tracks will follow the baseboard edges so I'd consider what can prevent 'plummeting' should there be a derailment

Agree -- from bitter experience!

While your average diesel will survive the drop, kettles with valve gear most certainly do not!!!
 
Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: austinbob on July 23, 2017, 04:21:22 PM
Even with diesels - buffers and other small details are vulnerable - again from experience. So as a certain American gentleman would say - build that wall!!  :) :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 23, 2017, 09:27:07 PM
So as a certain American gentleman would say - build that wall!!  :) :beers:

He is also stating it must be made from clear material ;D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Graham on July 24, 2017, 01:41:27 AM
looks like a good idea, one to consider for the grandkids, could also double as a test track.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on July 24, 2017, 02:24:03 AM
A very nostalgic project.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Railwaygun on July 24, 2017, 01:28:44 PM
Just the thing for Kato Unitrack??
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 24, 2017, 05:04:48 PM
Thank you very much for your helpful and encouraging comments.

I feel inevitably the tracks will follow the baseboard edges so I'd consider what can prevent 'plummeting' should there be a derailment :hmmm: If you have a cheap source of clear plastic/perspex that would do.

An excellent suggestion, thank you NPN.  You are completely correct, the tracks will certainly follow the baseboard edges as that was very much the norm for the layout designs of around fifty years ago which serve as my inspiration.  The more recent trend away from tracks parallel to the baseboard edges is surely a good thing as far as realism is concerned but would not capture the essence of what I hope to achieve. 

Just the thing for Kato Unitrack??

Kato Unitrack is an excellent product and part of a complete system, all of which, from my own experience, works very well indeed and I recommend it highly.  However, for the Table-Top Railway, I'm attempting to capture some of the look of the layouts which fascinated me as a child.  For this particular use, and I gladly accept it is a rather  peculiar one, Peco 'Setrack' with its lovely code 80 rail is the very thing, as it will hopefully give an impression of the Tri-ang Hornby 'Super 4' track that I remember  I am also attempting to use British and Commonwealth made products as much as reasonably practicable for this project, so the Devon-made 'Setrack' is ideal.

With many thanks and best wishes.

John


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 24, 2017, 08:06:00 PM
John - does this mean all locos and rolling stock are likely to be Poole Farish as far as UK outline goes?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on July 24, 2017, 08:10:18 PM
Sounds like an excellent plan to me.
Are you intending that scenery will be very limited such as platforms, signal boxes, bridges and tunnels just "plonked" in place just as it was on my 00 layout 50 years ago?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 24, 2017, 09:00:39 PM
John - does this mean all locos and rolling stock are likely to be Poole Farish as far as UK outline goes?

The plan, such as there is a plan, is for UK outline, 1900-1938.  Locomotives, apart from a couple of Peco 'Collett Goods', will be from the absolutely excellent Union Mills range which I cannot praise enough.  If left as supplied, they slightly remind me of Hornby Dublo or Wrenn products.  They perform so well and appear indestructible, just like my old Wrenn locomotives which still get an occasion outing on an oval track I have for them.  However, I certainly would not totally rule out some Poole Farish, such as a Hughes/Fowler 2-6-0, although I don't have any as yet.  I do have a couple of modern Farish GWR railcars.  As for rolling stock, goods wagons are from Peco - I have built up a little collection.  Passenger rolling stock could be Poole Farish, modern Farish or Dapol.  Perhaps think of it as using modern products to create something that looks 'old-fashioned' but works well, such as some of the current Triumph motorcycles which look gloriously traditional but will certainly be much more reliable than my old machines. 

Sounds like an excellent plan to me.
Are you intending that scenery will be very limited such as platforms, signal boxes, bridges and tunnels just "plonked" in place just as it was on my 00 layout 50 years ago?
Thank you very much for this; it is precisely where I think I will find the most difficulty achieving what I have in mind.  Scenery will be fairly limited and everything will be rather too bright and shiny for 'proper' railway modelling.  The best example I can give is to think of an illustration from an old 'Ladybird' book.  Colourful, cheerful and idealised.  Does this make any sense?   

Ideas, thoughts and comments on this would be very welcome.

All best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 24, 2017, 09:17:55 PM
John - does this mean all locos and rolling stock are likely to be Poole Farish as far as UK outline goes?

The plan, such as there is a plan, is for UK outline, 1900-1938.  Locomotives, apart from a couple of Peco 'Collett Goods', will be from the absolutely excellent Union Mills range which I cannot praise enough.  If left as supplied, they slightly remind me of Hornby Dublo or Wrenn products.  They perform so well and appear indestructible, just like my old Wrenn locomotives which still get an occasion outing on an oval track I have for them.  However, I certainly would not totally rule out some Poole Farish, such as a Hughes/Fowler 2-6-0, although I don't have any as yet.  I do have a couple of modern Farish GWR railcars.  As for rolling stock, goods wagons are from Peco - I have built up a little collection.  Passenger rolling stock could be Poole Farish, modern Farish or Dapol.  Perhaps think of it as using modern products to create something that looks 'old-fashioned' but works well, such as some of the current Triumph motorcycles which look gloriously traditional but will certainly be much more reliable than my old machines. 


The Peco Colletts fetch somewhat silly prices but wait a while and I believe Colin Heard at UM is bringing one out which will be far simpler/cheaper. Regarding modern Farish, they are manufactured in China and Bachmann Farish is part of a Chinese parent company. Dapol is currently made in China although the company is based in the UK at Chirk.
I'm just trying to gauge how far your 'principle' will be taken :hmmm:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 24, 2017, 10:20:31 PM
John - does this mean all locos and rolling stock are likely to be Poole Farish as far as UK outline goes?

The plan, such as there is a plan, is for UK outline, 1900-1938.  Locomotives, apart from a couple of Peco 'Collett Goods', will be from the absolutely excellent Union Mills range which I cannot praise enough.  If left as supplied, they slightly remind me of Hornby Dublo or Wrenn products.  They perform so well and appear indestructible, just like my old Wrenn locomotives which still get an occasion outing on an oval track I have for them.  However, I certainly would not totally rule out some Poole Farish, such as a Hughes/Fowler 2-6-0, although I don't have any as yet.  I do have a couple of modern Farish GWR railcars.  As for rolling stock, goods wagons are from Peco - I have built up a little collection.  Passenger rolling stock could be Poole Farish, modern Farish or Dapol.  Perhaps think of it as using modern products to create something that looks 'old-fashioned' but works well, such as some of the current Triumph motorcycles which look gloriously traditional but will certainly be much more reliable than my old machines. 


The Peco Colletts fetch somewhat silly prices but wait a while and I believe Colin Heard at UM is bringing one out which will be far simpler/cheaper. Regarding modern Farish, they are manufactured in China and Bachmann Farish is part of a Chinese parent company. Dapol is currently made in China although the company is based in the UK at Chirk.
I'm just trying to gauge how far your 'principle' will be taken :hmmm:

Thank you very much indeed for this.  I'm also trying to gauge how far my idea to use British or Commonwealth-manufactured items can be taken, so it is particularly helpful to be asked.

At present, my view is 'where reasonably practicable'.  As regards steam locomotives, the Union Mills range and the couple of Peco 'Collett Goods' which I am fortunate enough to have will do nicely.  I cannot think of an alternative supplier for the GWR railcars and I already have them, so that seems fine.  Apart, perhaps, for occasional items like brake vans, Peco can take care of the goods rolling stock.  It is for the passenger rolling stock that the 'reasonably practicable' becomes important as I cannot think of a present-day British or Commonwealth supplier of r-t-r stock.  Please can anyone help with suggestions for suppliers that I have overlooked? 

Although I would certainly not rule out some Poole Farish items, I am not planning on relying on them.  My plan is to try, as far as I can, to create an old-fashioned looking 'train set layout' using contemporary products.

Thank you so much for helping me to try to think this through.

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 25, 2017, 07:18:04 AM
Great ideas John. I look forward to watching your progress. Maybe the basis for a first layout for my grandson (currently 4).
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 25, 2017, 09:36:41 AM
Sorry, John, but as far as RTR goes I can only think of Poole Farish as being British made. Perhaps some of the cognoscenti may know otherwise?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on July 25, 2017, 11:21:27 AM
Sorry, John, but as far as RTR goes I can only think of Poole Farish as being British made.

Were any of the Hornby Minitrix items assembled in the UK or was it all made in Germany?

Lone Star Treble-O Lectric?  That's the stuff I tend to think of as classic 60s N gauge!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on July 25, 2017, 12:38:37 PM
I get the impression that Train Waiting knows what he's doing and look forward to pics.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on July 25, 2017, 07:26:35 PM
I agree totally with your views on Union Mills locos. And yes their basic design and ruggedness fits your plan perfectly.
One thing that I would add , if you are going for the boyish train set approach is to keep everything flat as that's how our trainsets were. Apart from, of course, the strange tunnels which just fitted over the track.
And don't forget trains made up of a complete hotch potch of wagons, vans and coaches!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 25, 2017, 09:58:43 PM
That looks good, a pair of ovals, a siding, small station etc
and a couple of trains running round, plenty of enjoyment.

Thank you very much, Broadsword, that's exactly what I have in mind.  Up and Down lines, a through station at one side of the table-top baseboard and sidings at the other side.  It really is most encouraging to see that you have the same idea.  As you say, this will give plenty of activity to be enjoyed [whilst consuming tea/coffee/foaming ale/wine according to the time of day!].  There is a published plan by Paul A. Lunn in the 'Peco Setrack 00/H0 Planbook' ('Plan 6:Extending the oval to include double tracks', also called 'The Axmouth and Beer Railway') which is pretty much what I should like to do.  A quick internet search ought to find this plan, without me worrying about any copyright difficulties by including it here.  Changes that I am inclined to make are to arrange the entry to the yard by means of a trailing connection and to dispense with the headshunt, as I don't intend to undertake much in the way of shunting.  Does this sound at sensible to you?

Thank you so much for your interest and your helpful comment.

All the very best.

John 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Milton Rail on July 25, 2017, 10:19:46 PM
Great thread and great idea!  Look forward to seeing how you bring this to life, will be a walk down memory lane for all of us who embrace the ethos that it is better to be Juvenile then Senile :)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 25, 2017, 10:29:55 PM
Great thread and great idea!  Look forward to seeing how you bring this to life, will be a walk down memory lane for all of us who embrace the ethos that it is better to be Juvenile then Senile :)

Good spelling mistake, Andrew. Some say I started off Senile and have become Juvenile :-[
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 25, 2017, 10:47:14 PM
I agree totally with your views on Union Mills locos. And yes their basic design and ruggedness fits your plan perfectly.
One thing that I would add , if you are going for the boyish train set approach is to keep everything flat as that's how our trainsets were. Apart from, of course, the strange tunnels which just fitted over the track.
And don't forget trains made up of a complete hotch potch of wagons, vans and coaches!

Yes please, an improbably short tunnel with no geological requirement really ought to be over the curves at one end of the layout.  This could be visually balanced at the other end by a nice overbridge, approached by worryingly steep gradients to annoy road traffic.  It would feel somewhat disrespectful to some of the layouts of the past that I seek to emulate not to include a motor omnibus on the overbridge.

Perhaps, as a little twist, I'll try to arrange for a permanently broken-down motor omnibus with its furious passengers looking wistfully over the bridge parapet at the trains running reliably (thanks to the mainly Union Mills motive power) below.

With many thanks and all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: lil chris on July 25, 2017, 10:58:43 PM
It will be nice to see how your layout works out. Have you seen the one built in a coffee table in this months Model Rail Magazine, this forum was mentioned in the read up although I do not see to recall seeing the layout on here.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: broadsword on July 25, 2017, 11:45:47 PM
Thank you for your comments, get your train (or trains ) running. if it suits
an old  layout that's fine, if not just have fun.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on July 26, 2017, 12:00:56 AM
Are you going to simulate the Triang Transcontinental series stock and locos of the day?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 26, 2017, 02:35:13 PM
It will be nice to see how your layout works out. Have you seen the one built in a coffee table in this months Model Rail Magazine, this forum was mentioned in the read up although I do not see to recall seeing the layout on here.

Thank you, Chris.

I tend to ration myself to 'Railway Modeller' and 'Model Railway Journal', so I have not seen this layout.  Thank you for telling me about it.  I have an agreeable business trip up to Berwick upon Tweed on Friday, so I'll buy 'Model Rail' and enjoy reading it on the train after the work's done.

Are you going to simulate the Triang Transcontinental series stock and locos of the day?

Many thanks: I'd love to try this!  My first train, when I was about four, was a dummy blue and yellow Tri-ang 'Transcontinental diesel locomotive and a couple of blue carriages.  There were also several goods wagons and a very short LMS crimson lake carriage, again all Tri-ang.  The track was the old 'Standard Track' with the grey plastic base.  All this was second or third hand, as things tended to be back then.  I remember that one of the wagons, a grey van, was too narrow to fit on the rails.  It was also smaller than all the others.  I was very confused by this state of affairs!

This set-up did not last long and, after a few years of the usual distractions, I received a Tri-ang 'Flying Scotsman' and some 'Super 4' track when I was 10.  There has always been a model railway (of sorts!) since.

With all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 26, 2017, 04:09:39 PM
Hello

The weather here for this morning and early afternoon has caused my planned activities to be postponed, so I had some unanticipated model railway time.

The first job was to get a datum line across the table-top baseboard.  The plan is that as many measurements as possible during construction will be taken from this line.  The location where straight track becomes a curve at the left hand end of the baseboard, as viewed from the siding/s side, appeared as good a place as any for the datum line.

 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/6222-260717154306.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=53743)

The red line is the datum line.


This allowed me to rough out the pointwork at the siding/s side of the baseboard so that I could drill the pilot holes for the actuating pins for the point motors.
 


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/6222-260717154610.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=53744)

The track furthest  away from the camera is two ST-11 double straights and one ST-2 short straight.  These will be the track for one of the lines through the station at the other side of the baseboard but are here as a reminder of the required length.  This is because, acting on particularly helpful advice given to me on this Forum, I am not using 'Setrack' turnouts but rather Peco 'Streamline' SL-E395/SL-E396 medium radius turnouts.  These are not to the standard 'Setrack' lengths or geometry and cutting is required.  Therefore, the correct length is not guaranteed as is the case when one only uses 'Setrack' pieces.  Best, for me anyway, to have a visual reminder of the required length to hand.

The critical dimension if using 'Streamline' turnouts to 'Setrack' track spacing (the 'six foot') is the length of plain line which needs to be placed between the diverging tracks of the two turnouts in a crossover.  The Peco Technical Advice Bureau very kindly advised me that the required length is 30mm.  What a useful resource this bureau is: thanks to them for their help.

Hopefully, the photograph shows the trailing crossover and the trailing connection into the siding/s.  I have now removed the track and drilled the pilot holes for the actuating pins for the point motors.

That's all for now.

Many thanks to NPN and Bealman for their invaluable advice.

All the very best.

John 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 26, 2017, 04:28:59 PM
Glad to see the electrofrogs in use, John. The wiring can be a little more tricky but, once you have the principles, it becomes almost 2nd nature. If you need any help with that, once you have your track plan done, put it in this thread and you'll get plenty of help.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on July 26, 2017, 08:10:15 PM
Great stuff John.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on July 26, 2017, 11:46:58 PM
Looking good. This is a great project!  :thumbsup:

I suppose if you wanted to simulate the old Triang standard track, you could substitute Kato or Fleischmann  track, and I  believe there's an American  product too.

However, I realise you are copying  Super 4, and the Peco code 80 looks the part.

I  still have a couple of those old brown Super 4 point motors that used to clip onto the side of the point lying around somewhere, by the way!  :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 27, 2017, 01:40:31 PM
Hello

One of the potential drawbacks of a table-top base board is weight.

The one I'm working on at present has the re-used frame of a 'sixties' kitchen table, which is made from real wood with pressed steel corner brackets.  The top surface is 9mm Sundeala, which I think is ideal for this purpose.  However, Sundeala has one disadvantage that, in my view, it needs to be well-supported or it will become very uneven.  I chose to use 9mm MDF below the Sundeala.  This created two layers where one would be sufficient in other circumstances.  Therefore, more weight.

To reduce the weight and to ensure that the Sundeala continued to have the degree of support I think it requires, I came up with this...

 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/6222-270717132420.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=53762)

Holes where there won't be track above, solid where there will be.  Total weight saved is 10oz.

Incidentally, the new table-top is off-centre on the original table's frame.  This is deliberate and will allow sufficient overhang for the below-baseboard point motors which will be at one side of the layout only.  At least I think it will!

I think I've bored you enough with my efforts to construct this table-top baseboard.  Time to move on...

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 27, 2017, 04:18:03 PM
John,
Have you conditioned the Sundeala board to prevent warping? I have used Sundeala hobby board for every layout I've started, have conditioned it and had no issues, although anything kept in my garage does end up very curved! I had a water leak in my mancave last year and now have to run trains with speed restrictions owing to 'subsidence' ::)
Also bear in mind when cutting it - please wear a mask!
The 9mm I use makes great (but heavy) platforms as you can shape it then top it with 2mm plasticard of your choice.

Conditioning......
https://www.sundeala.co.uk/images/media_files/Sundeala%20Ltd%20-%20Conditioning%20and%20Fixing%20Information.pdf (https://www.sundeala.co.uk/images/media_files/Sundeala%20Ltd%20-%20Conditioning%20and%20Fixing%20Information.pdf)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 27, 2017, 08:43:50 PM
John,
Have you conditioned the Sundeala board to prevent warping? I have used Sundeala hobby board for every layout I've started, have conditioned it and had no issues, although anything kept in my garage does end up very curved! I had a water leak in my mancave last year and now have to run trains with speed restrictions owing to 'subsidence' ::)
Also bear in mind when cutting it - please wear a mask!
The 9mm I use makes great (but heavy) platforms as you can shape it then top it with 2mm plasticard of your choice.

Conditioning......
[url]https://www.sundeala.co.uk/images/media_files/Sundeala%20Ltd%20-%20Conditioning%20and%20Fixing%20Information.pdf[/url] ([url]https://www.sundeala.co.uk/images/media_files/Sundeala%20Ltd%20-%20Conditioning%20and%20Fixing%20Information.pdf[/url])


Thanks again, NPN.

And many thanks for the link.  I dry condition it.  The wet conditioning process looks most interesting!

I find, as long as it is sitting on a good, stable, foundation that Sundeala is an ideal material for model railways.  Here it is on top of 18mm MDF built on kitchen units on 'Sandrock': six years in place and absolutely no problems.  And, of course, I have stood on it many times!
 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/6222-270717204019.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=53770)

Thank you for the helpful hint about platforms.

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 27, 2017, 09:14:11 PM
Not many use Sundeala as they've had bad experiences with it but I find, providing it's conditioned and used in a half decent environment, it's great stuff. It doesn't resonate as badly as plywood and takes track pins very easily.
My conservatory temperature can vary hugely dependent on seasons but I had no problem until a cowboy roofer caused a leak which was so bad I bought a water butt to use in there before I went into hospital in Jan 2016.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 28, 2017, 05:06:06 PM
It will be nice to see how your layout works out. Have you seen the one built in a coffee table in this months Model Rail Magazine, this forum was mentioned in the read up although I do not see to recall seeing the layout on here.

Chris

I bought 'Model Rail' today at the now reopened (and much improved by getting rid of the self-service tills!) WH Smith's at Waverley so that I could read it on my return from Berwick upon Tweed.  What a lovely layout!  'Feldspar' and its charming builders are a great advertisement for British 'N' Gauge and model railways generally.  And, as a bonus for me, Mr Lunn has an interesting article on miniature railways in the magazine.  The Ravenglass & Eskdale and North Bay railways are the main focus of his attention.  The 'Ratty' is a favourite destination for Mrs TW and I.  The North Bay looks interesting and we look forward to visiting.

Thanks again for bringing this to my attention: as I mentioned earlier, I don't usually read 'Model Rail'.

All the very best.

John






 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 30, 2017, 01:16:57 PM
Hello

Compared to some of the masterpieces of modelling that one can see on the Forum (Escafeld's superb hand-built switch and crossing work for example), this is basic stuff.


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This is all the pointwork for the Table-Top Railway.  I thought it might be easier to prepare it as a bench-built unit and then re-assemble it on the baseboard, rather than try to construct it in situ.  Mixing Peco 'Setrack' with 'Streamline' points requires some cutting and the sleepering pattern can then go awry in places.  I have simply inserted 'cosmetic sleepers' to fill the gaps.  The whole assembly has been prepared to be the same length as the two 'Setrack' double straights and single short straight on the opposite side of the train-set oval. 

Many thanks for looking.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 30, 2017, 01:39:41 PM
Looks pretty good to me, John :thumbsup:
Have you fitted 2 x insulated rail joiners between the two points making up the crossover?
Just checking ;)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 30, 2017, 06:43:49 PM
Looks pretty good to me, John :thumbsup:
Have you fitted 2 x insulated rail joiners between the two points making up the crossover?
Just checking ;)

Many thanks, NPN.

Yes, these are in place, but if I had forgotten them, your helpful and timely reminder would have enabled me to insert them when I reassemble the formation on the baseboard.  And that would have saved me a lot of bother!   :thankyousign:

There are actually several more insulated joiners in the formation as I have an ambitious (for me!) notion to divide the simple train-set double track oval into absolute block sections and station limits.  I'm still mulling this over, but the wheeze is to be able to have two trains on an oval at the same time, although only one will be moving.  It will be a shocking simplification of the Absolute Bock Regulations and jolly well ought to earn me a well-deserved rebuke from a Signalling Inspector.   :unimpressed:

Thank you very much for 'just checking'; having a timely reminder from an experienced modeller is invaluable to me and much appreciated.

With all good wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 30, 2017, 09:05:15 PM
Thanks, John. I tend to be very good at exhorting people to avoid set track points and to use electrofrogs without necessarily remembering some of 'the rules'.
Apart from on points, the only time I ever use IRJs is to provide isolating sections in sidings e.g. in a loco shed area.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 01, 2017, 03:18:41 PM
Some Progress on the Table-Top Railway

The pointwork is complete, having been bench-built away from the layout and the track planning has been done using Scrap Rail.  Yes, scrap rail - a box of second-hand track and points obtained very cheaply.  This enabled the layout to be planned on its baseboard.  Of course, this is completely the wrong way round for most normal model railway applications.  But the Table-Top railway is most certainly not a normal model railway.  There was a bonus - some of the scrap rail and all of the points are suitable for re-use on the layout.  I'll need to replace some fishplates as these have taken a bit of a bashing.  I popped into Harburn Hobbies yesterday (how fortunate we are in the Lothians to have a proper model shop) and obtained the various parts I needed to complete the dry run at track laying.

Here it is, then, outside just before a downpour.

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I'm quite pleased with this and gratefully acknowledge Mr Lunn's 'Plan 6. Extending the oval to include double track, or the Axmouth and Beer Railway' from the Peco 'Setrack 00/H0 Planbook'  as inspiration.  This is exactly what I would have wanted when I was 10 or so: double track mainline, a trailing crossover between the up and down lines, a couple of sidings and a passenger station (to be built on the plain line at the top) - a train set, trying, but not succeeding, to be a model railway.  All in 3'3" by 2' on a table-top.

Other points of potential interest:-
The up main line at the left-hand side of the layout comes close to the baseboard edge.  This will be disguised by a must-have improbable tunnel.  That other essential, an overbridge with an omnibus (broken down in this case), will be at the right-hand side as one would expect.  The coloured drawing pins represent the power feeds (red) or insulated rail joiners (green) to enable two block sections.  The insulated joiners for the pointwork assembly are not shown as these are already in place.  The holes for the power feeds are already drilled, as are the holes in the MDF layer for the four point motors' actuating pins.  The slots in the Sundeala for these will be done later.

Thank you very much for looking.

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on August 01, 2017, 03:54:10 PM
Looks fine to me, John, and your track spacing is very neat.
What's more, the Scrap Rail doesn't look as if it contains any set track points (they look like electrofrogs to me) so that's a Brucie Bonus :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 01, 2017, 09:34:00 PM
 :thankyousign:

Many thanks for your kind comment, NPN.

The scrap rail had five pretty much unused medium radius Electrofrog turnouts and two well-worn 'Setrack' ones, amongst assorted straights and curves and a little bit of bashed-up 'Streamline' code 80 flexitrack.  A very useful selection and ideal for the purpose.  I was surprised at the amount I could re-use as I've always assumed second-hand track to be unsuitable for further use.  I was wrong this time.  A Brucie Bonus indeed!

Your (and Bealman's) helpful advice was not only technically sound but saved me buying four 'Setrack' points...  :beers:

Thanks again and best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Milton Rail on August 01, 2017, 10:00:23 PM
Great progress and any thread that gives Harburn Hobbies a mention gets my vote!   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 03, 2017, 08:49:10 PM
Progress or the Lack of it!

I wired up the track today (a temporary lash-up but trains could run) and gave the layout a test.  I was less than impressed with the running!  Electrically, it was fine; it was the 'unsmooth' rolling along that made me worry.  I'm sure this will be entirely due to my poor P. Way work, rather than any fault of the Peco components.

Investigations continue...

All part of the fun of model railways.

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on August 03, 2017, 08:53:14 PM
Run a finger (slowly) round the track and see if you can feel any joints out of kilter, John. Do not do this quickly as it results in pain and maybe loss of valuable red liquid :ouch:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Philip. on August 03, 2017, 09:24:00 PM
Run a finger (slowly) round the track and see if you can feel any joints out of kilter, John. Do not do this quickly as it results in pain and maybe loss of valuable red liquid :ouch:

I can vouch for the pain, and significant blood loss. Through my own stupidity coupled with fat fingers, i've had one or two track joiners embedded in my thumb  :doh: :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 03, 2017, 09:36:38 PM
NPN and Tornado

Thank you very much for this.  The straights are straight along a straight edge and the curves are marked out accurately for the radius and diameter and track is accurately laid to the markings.  There are still gaps at some of the rail joints.  Amazingly, the pointwork formation with 'Streamline' points and my cut track pieces is probably about the best part of the layout for running.

The 'top' is not as good as I should like either.

For a first effort with 'Setrack' in British 'N' gauge it would be fine, I suppose, but I expect better from myself.  My other 'N' experience is US 'N' scale with Kato track; I made a better job of that and it's a much bigger layout.

Time to 'Stop and Think' as the M&GN signal box lever collars used to say, I believe.

The G&SWR made do with 'Train waiting'.

Thanks again and all the very best.

 :thankyousign:

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on August 04, 2017, 10:28:13 AM
Have you by any chance mixed track codes anywhere? Set track is code 80 so will fit perfectly with code 80 flexitrack and points, but there is a height difference between code 80 and code 55 as code 55 rails are partly embedded in the sleeper base. The finger test would detect that. Some rolling stock will not like the height difference.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on August 04, 2017, 10:36:38 AM
A difficulty I have had problems with.

Watch ya fingers, though!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 04, 2017, 07:28:33 PM
I'm pleased to see that this has continued to develop whilst I have been away.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 04, 2017, 11:22:17 PM
Have you by any chance mixed track codes anywhere? Set track is code 80 so will fit perfectly with code 80 flexitrack and points, but there is a height difference between code 80 and code 55 as code 55 rails are partly embedded in the sleeper base. The finger test would detect that. Some rolling stock will not like the height difference.

Many thanks, NPN

All rail codes are the same.  I regret that all difficulties are caused by my poor workmanship.
I'm pleased to see that this has continued to develop whilst I have been away.


PP, Thank you for this.

Progress has stalled whilst I attempt to sort out the poor-quality track-laying.  I suspect the problems are multi-factorial.  Hopefully, I'll be able to do some thinking over the weekend.

Model railways are fun!

All best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 05, 2017, 12:41:54 PM
Just a thought. If any rail joiners are even a little bit damaged, bent or mis-aligned they need to be replaced.
It's surprising how much better the track will lay if the joiners are perfect.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 05, 2017, 04:08:05 PM
Back on Track (Sorry!)

Firstly; very many thanks for the helpful ideas for troubleshooting my appalling track.  I'm very grateful for the advice.

:thankyousign: :NGaugersRule:  :beers:

I anticipated that the problem might be multifactorial and that was the case.

Problem 1.

My tightfistedness.  I used two old offcuts of Sundeala on top of the MDF, rather than obtaining new material.  You can see the join in an earlier post.  And the mild steel plates that I used to try to persuade the Sundeala to lie flat.  I've never had any trouble with correctly seasoned Sundeala in the past but then I have not used Peco 'Setrack' in British 'N' gauge before.  I'm sure that I would have got away with it in US 'N' scale with Kato 'Unitrak' or in H0 with Peco track.  My 'P4' tracklaying was never on Sundeala.

Conclusion: Sundeala and Peco 'Setrack' in 'N' are excellent products but not idiot proof.  Along comes the idiot and trouble occurred.   :dunce:

Solution: Replace the Sundeala with 10mm neoprene.  This also has a join (two joins actually) but these appear flat.  And they are well 'Copydexed'!   

Problem 2.

Trying to be too clever.   :-[  The Up line has seven pairs of power feeds and the Down line has six.  This appears excessive but I plan to have two separate block sections and I believe in lots of power feeds anyway.  I tried to do a really neat job with holes drilled through the Sundeala and MDF that pretty much fitted the diameter of the wires.  Most of the bad parts of the track were due to it being pulled out of alignment by the power feeds or sitting high because of them.

Conclusion: The power feed wires were sticking in their holes when they really needed a degree of movement.

Solution: Open out the holes in the MDF from 2mm to 8mm.  'Poke' holes through the neoprene with a bradawl.  Pass the wires through.  Once the track join is acceptable, the neoprene pretty much heals up and unobtrusive track wiring is obtained.

Hopefully, that's the problems solved.  And it's pouring with rain.  So I can press on with some track laying.

Thank you for reading.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on August 05, 2017, 05:15:48 PM
Glad to see you're getting there, John.
None of us got anywhere without making some errors and that's how we learn.
Some of my howlers have never, and will never, be broadcast :-[
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on August 05, 2017, 10:58:51 PM

Some of my howlers have never, and will never, be broadcast :-[

Entertain us please :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on August 06, 2017, 09:12:46 AM

Some of my howlers have never, and will never, be broadcast :-[

Entertain us please :D

 :no: :zippedmouth: :whistle:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 06, 2017, 02:32:43 PM
Track Laying

Confined indoors due to rain allowed some progress with track laying on the neoprene sub-base.

A brief sunny interval today gave me an opportunity to take a photograph.  Sorry it looks so dull; black neoprene and the dark sleepers of Peco 'Setrack' don't give much of a contrast.  I think it does capture the look of a train set of 40-50 years ago that had been developed with some additional track to give the 'double track and two sidings' layout from the book of plans.  How the (much!) younger me would have enjoyed such a layout.

I'll now attempt to connect the feed wires and see if I can persuade a couple of trains to run...


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/6222-060817142706.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54073)

Many thanks for looking.

All best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 07, 2017, 04:03:35 PM
Electrifying.

I have finished a fairly straightforward wiring session.  It is all so much easier when one can simply turn the layout upside-down and attend to the wiring whilst sitting comfortably.

Electricians and electrical engineers please look away now:


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I have used the same electrical system as my old motorcycles did: a live wire to whatever-it-is that needs electricity and return to earth.  Earth, in this case, is a black 5A wire (for auto-electrical use) that runs round the layout below the baseboard.  Common return, I suppose, in model railway terminology.

Amazingly, trains are running on both the Up and Down lines.  The only problem was occasional derailments caused by a pair of insulating rail joiners on a curve.  I have moved the insulated join to a straight section and all is well.

Time to play trains.  Years ago it was 'Flying Scotsman' and 'B12' No. 61572.  Today it is 'Lady of the Lake' and 'B12' No. 8572.  Both are Union Mills and both are in that lovely LNER apple green livery which Union Mills captures (to my eye anyway) so very well.

If I can get this far; anyone can.

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on August 07, 2017, 04:15:05 PM
Good stuff, John.
Does your camera do videos? As you have seen, I use Dropbox and so far have not been charged at all.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 08, 2017, 12:49:11 PM
Thank you, NPN.

I enjoyed your film of the 'Q1' and that looks like a fantastic layout which you are building.   :greatwork: 

I don't have a digital camera.

But I do have the mobile telephone which the office expects me to have handy.

It takes photographs.

I'll see if I can use it to make a short film.  All new to me.

It won't be Ivo Peters' standard, though!   :hmmm:

Kindest Regards.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on August 08, 2017, 02:02:38 PM
Thanks, John.
Dear old Ivo Peters. I have a couple of his books and a couple of films about the S & D (a 'proper' railway)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 08, 2017, 02:28:11 PM
British 'N' Gauge in the Garden in Glorious Shakyvision

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xkoxdc3ees2tz9c/Table%20Top%20Railway%208%20Aug%202017.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/xkoxdc3ees2tz9c/Table%20Top%20Railway%208%20Aug%202017.MOV?dl=0)

Thank you, NPN for your suggestion.  Here is the worst model railway film ever made.

This is clearly a triumph of good quality products (almost all British and Commonwealth as is my intention) and sound advice from members of the Forum over my ineptitude.

Track and goods rolling stock from Peco (and, yes, that is a Borders Railway re-opening commemorative wagon - it's nearby).  Thank you, NPN and Bealman, for your helpful advice to use points with live crossing vees.   :thankyousign:

Locomotives by Union Mills.  Apple green in the sunshine (amazingly, it is sunny today):-  'Lady of the Lake' on the Up line (appropriate engine given Sir Walter Scott's love of this part of the country'.  'B12' No. 8572 on the Down line, with apologies to it for being on a goods working today.  I really like these robust little engines which run so very well. 

The Gresley teak carriages are by Dapol (British company but manufactured in China, I believe).  Sorry that there are three carriages in the formation; the normal passenger train on this kind of layout when I was young was Composite and Brake.  But one of my friends had a Restaurant Car as well.  And the Gresley Buffet is so nice I couldn't resist it.  I like to think that the 1:148 me is inside drinking glorious English Sparkling Wine and watching the world pass by.  With these sharp curves, I'll have super views of the 'Scotch Director' up front.

Improbable Tunnel is faked up to the left and the overbridge is to the right.  The motor omnibus is practising breaking down so that it can do it consistently once the bridge has been built.  A (very) second-hand platform at the top shows the intended location of the passenger station.

Thank you for looking and apologies for the awful video - the first I have taken on a telephone.   :-[

Model railways are fun.

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on August 08, 2017, 02:39:59 PM
British Pathe News would have been proud of you! Nowt wrong with the video. It showed us a great little layout.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 08, 2017, 07:30:24 PM
Good work with both the layout and video John.

Your vegetation is very realistic! :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 08, 2017, 07:33:24 PM
That looks really good and great to see those trains running so well.
Great stuff.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 08, 2017, 08:13:59 PM
That looks really good and great to see those trains running so well.
Great stuff.

PP  :thankyousign:

Thank you so very much for this, but it's important to recognise that the trains running well is because of the quality of our present day manufacturers (Union Mills, Peco, Dapol & Gaugemaster) and the help from members of this Forum.

If I can do it, anyone can!

With all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on August 08, 2017, 09:37:15 PM
Wahey, John!
Good stuff, sir :claphappy:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 09, 2017, 10:48:33 PM
Good work with both the layout and video John.

Your vegetation is very realistic! :D
British Pathe News would have been proud of you! Nowt wrong with the video. It showed us a great little layout.
:hellosign: Agree with the above, thanks for sharing
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 14, 2017, 04:26:55 PM
Steps Forward, Backward and Then Forward Again (Hopefully).

For someone who has pottered with model railways for as long as I have, the Table-Top railway has certainly made me think.  Last layout was US 'N' scale with Kato 'Unitrack'.  The one before that, the 'Plywood Pacific', was H0, again US, with code 70 Peco 'Streamline'.  Both were large and gave few constructional difficulties.  There was an unfinished French H0 effort as well amongst all this.  However three-and-a-bit by two in British 'N' gauge has made me learn a great deal.

The latest two problems:

1 The under board-mounted point Peco motors would not work reliably.  Must have been my dodgy installation.  I had no difficulties with the 'Tortoise' switch machines on the Plywood Pacific which are also below the baseboard.  I then simply cut the big hole as Peco suggests and clipped the motors directly to the points.  I needed to shorten the actuating pin.  Wire cutters made little impression on it but the slitting disc did the trick.  Peco clearly use good materials!  The big holes are tidied up with black card and will hopefully be even better once the ballast is in place.  There was no room for the point for the second siding to be dealt with this way so it will either be manually controlled (very prototypical as it's in the yard) or the second siding will be lifted (also prototypical!).   

2 When one mixes 'Setrack' with 'Streamline' points, some cutting is to be expected.  I worked to a 'Setrack' length of two 'double straights' and one 'short straight'.  This required the switch and crossing formation, which is three medium radius turnouts long (albeit with two arranged as a trailing crossover), to have an 11mm long piece of track.  At first this was fine, but as I operated the layout and moved it around, including standing it on its end, it became clear that this short piece would be a problem in the future.  Best dealt with, then!  The 11mm piece was thrown in the dustbin and three other track pieces had 11mm cut off to maintain equal distances across the layout.  All were long pieces so are stable.

There are few better experiences over a weekend than lifting the track which one has just laid.  But model railways are fun.

The experimental neoprene top to the MDF baseboard appears to be fine and trains are quieter than when running directly on the MDF.  I'm watching it, though!

To demonstrate that the Table-Top railway is operational again, the World's Worst Photographer has been out and about in his motor car...


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/6222-140817160012.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54248)

GWR spit and polish: One of Mr Collett's new 'Dukedog' 4-4-0s on a short Up passenger train passes a well-cared for survivor of Mr Dean's famous goods engine class on the Down line.  Some unlikely coal wagons are in the first siding.  The second siding is empty in case it gets lifted.  (The blue dot in the foreground marks the intended location of the Up Starting Signal.)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/54/6222-140817160355.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=54249)

AA Service: The AA Patrol has parked his trusty BSA 'M20' whilst he attends to polishing the wheels on the off-side of the photographer's new motor car.  The photographer had to replace the Bentley with a Jaguar in order to be able to afford the colour transparency film.  The signalman has the kettle on the boil whilst the photographer captures the lovely gleaming 'Dukedog' for a second time today.

Locomotives by Union Mills, goods wagons by Peco, passenger rolling stock by Dapol and road vehicles by Oxford Diecast.  By the way, I think that Mr Heard at Union Mills gets the GWR dark green spot-on.  I see it as very similar to the British Racing Green on the Bentley that the photographer doesn't have.  Have you seen some of the shades of GWR green on '00' locomotives on the market at present?  But colour perception is a personal thing.

Many thanks for looking.

Model railways are fun.

Best wishes.

John 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on August 14, 2017, 04:55:01 PM
I sympathise!  Forward and backward steps seem to be the norm.  Perhaps it's a mark of a determined modeler.  But it all looks very good.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 14, 2017, 05:14:39 PM
That is all starting to look very good indeed John.
I love building little cameo scenes into a layout. Those scenes bring the railway to life I think.
I have, so far, resisted a UM dukedog but I really like Colin's engines, I have a 700 Black Motor, a Dean Goods and a T9.
Keep the pictures coming.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 14, 2017, 06:56:46 PM

I have, so far, resisted a UM dukedog but I really like Colin's engines, I have a 700 Black Motor, a Dean Goods and a T9.
Keep the pictures coming.


Thank you, PP.

This might weaken your resistance to a UM 'Dukedog'.  Wasn't the first one named 'Tre Pol and Pen'; ideal for your railway!

Talking of 'Dukedogs', Special Operating Arrangements on the Railway (possibly due to this being Coronation Year, but all very hush-hush) resulted in this Special Working earlier today.  3204 passed the signal box with a longer train than normal for hereabouts.  I understand from High Authority that the Directors have already written to driver Duke thanking him for a job well done.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uj8z6i6hfr7ibqn/Dukedog%20Special%20Working.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/uj8z6i6hfr7ibqn/Dukedog%20Special%20Working.MOV?dl=0)

All the very best.

John

PS I've heard of a 'tailchaser' layout, but this is ridiculous!



Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 14, 2017, 07:05:43 PM
Lovely angle for the video.
Is that your entire coaching stock?
Certainly impressive haulage there. Great stuff.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on August 14, 2017, 08:26:43 PM
That looks like the perfect way to demonstrate to your insurers what stock you have :idea:
Very impressive. I don't have any UM locos but will seriously consider the Collett 22xx when it comes out.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 14, 2017, 08:29:13 PM
That looks like the perfect way to demonstrate to your insurers what stock you have :idea:
Very impressive. I don't have any UM locos but will seriously consider the Collett 22xx when it comes out.
Aaaagh....I'd forgotten about the UM 22xx. Oh well, more pennies to save.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 14, 2017, 08:44:58 PM
Lovely angle for the video.
Is that your entire coaching stock?
Certainly impressive haulage there. Great stuff.

Not quite all: there is a rumour of a couple of 'blood and custards' from a dozen years in the future lurking about somewhere.

I asked driver Duke about the haulage.  It was only 17 on.  Pretty much light engine for a Union Mills.  Still on the small port on the regulator.  A nice bark from the chimney, though!

Many thanks.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 14, 2017, 08:54:19 PM
That looks like the perfect way to demonstrate to your insurers what stock you have :idea:
Very impressive. I don't have any UM locos but will seriously consider the Collett 22xx when it comes out.

NPN, better order it now then.  It's likely to sell out.  I expect that you'll want a BR version.  Mine will be Great Western green but both will be equally attractive.  And should you ever feel the need to pull your house down, you'll have the technology!

But, a warning, once you have one Union Mills locomotive, you are likely to be sending regular cheques to the Isle of Man!  I think of mine as little locomotives rather than models.  And, just like the big ones, they all tend to have their own personalities...

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on August 14, 2017, 09:01:21 PM
Impressive. It's a good job the last coach was going faster than the Dukedog. :doh:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 17, 2017, 08:46:11 PM
Block Working (Kind Of!), A Siding and Improbable Tunnel

A little bit of progress to report.  The Up and Down lines were wired to have three switchable on/off electrical sections - two block sections and station limits in signalling terminology.  I have made a little switch panel which, hopefully, has a suitably old-fashioned look to it and is far away from modern control panels.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/l3ee8wdhmbuf8dh/Block%20Selector.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/l3ee8wdhmbuf8dh/Block%20Selector.jpg?dl=0)

This allows two trains to operate, one block at a time, on each of the Up and Down lines.  Four trains on a three feet-and-a-bit by two feet oval layout is a bit of a party piece.  In reality, it allows for a spare train to be stabled in the siding and to exchange running with the trains on the Up or Down lines.  The siding is the Table-Top railway's sole concession to a fiddle-yard as it will be used for marshalling trains on the layout.

Earlier, I had experimented with two sidings, but as I am using medium radius (live-'frog') points this reduced the useable siding length of both sidings to less than a locomotive and two carriages which is our standard passenger train formation.  Less, in this case, is more and the single siding takes a full-length train.  Here's what the pointwork (trailing crossover and turnout to the siding) ended up looking like.

 https://www.dropbox.com/s/ybwnurfdbhazt5z/Points3.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ybwnurfdbhazt5z/Points3.jpg?dl=0)

Finally, taking 11mm off the length of the straight sections of the running lines had a bonus as the 11mm was at the tunnel end of the oval.  There now is an extra 11mm between the Up line and the baseboard edge which means I can move the tunnel mouths closer together to make Improbable Tunnel more realistic (or less realistic, depending on one's point of view!).  It is now agreeably short and will, hopefully, end up with that glorious train set tunnel (because every train set needs a tunnel) look about it.  Here it is faked up.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hl7jqd8927ab5lt/Improbable%20Tunnel.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/hl7jqd8927ab5lt/Improbable%20Tunnel.jpg?dl=0)

By the way, if this is the first post about the Table-Top railway which you have read, the above will appear odd, to say the least.  I am attempting to capture, in British 'N' gauge, the feel of a train set of fifty-odd years ago which attempted, but failed, to be a model railway.  Which is why a realistic tunnel is less than the length of a locomotive and passenger trains are normally two coaches long!

Thank you very much for looking.

With best wishes.

John



 




Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on August 17, 2017, 09:29:26 PM
Thanks for the pics, John. They really do show what you're achieving.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 18, 2017, 07:12:19 AM
 :thankyousign: John. The tunnel looks suitably impressive!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on August 18, 2017, 07:24:14 AM
I think I had a Playcraft one when I was a kid which would have been about that long
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: BoxTunnel on August 18, 2017, 08:59:33 AM
Love that "old school" switch panel John, yet another little bit of inspiration safely stored in the "BoxTunnel wants that" file.

Graham.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 21, 2017, 03:47:43 PM
I Have Been Framed!

Lever framed, that is.  I've now completed the last track-laying stage before lots of pre-ballasting testing.

The three point motors are wired up to a lever frame.

I used the Peco PL-50 'Turnout Switch Module', reduced in length from three lever spaces to two, because two of the turnouts are arranged as a trailing crossover.  I wired in a PL-35 'Capacitor Discharge Unit' to give a 'sharp' power impulse.  I resisted any attempt to fiddle with the components and used them exactly as instructed.  It is many years since I have used solenoid point motors and I had forgotten the 'Snap!'.

These Peco components have been around for a long time, I understand, and they certainly fit in with the 'train set 40/50 years ago' look which I am attempting to achieve.  British made as well, so another plus. 

All is working nicely; hardly Stirling Middle, but good fun.

Here's a quick picture:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hi99s2vfhta1vcs/Lever%20Frame.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/hi99s2vfhta1vcs/Lever%20Frame.jpg?dl=0)

And, hopefully, a 'Talkie' so the 'Snap!' is evident:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/22o5w5a6hxcmmve/Point%20Switching.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/22o5w5a6hxcmmve/Point%20Switching.MOV?dl=0)

Model railways are fun.

Thank you for looking and all best wishes.

John


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on August 21, 2017, 03:56:27 PM
Nice job, John :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 21, 2017, 05:36:27 PM
Great stuff.
That T9 looks mighty familiar to me.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 12, 2017, 10:07:53 PM
Testing Times.

The Table-Top railway was intended as an easy introduction to British 'N' gauge for me and to give me a small and very portable layout to take wherever I wanted: out to the garden, to the office etc!

There has been 'running testing' and 'carrying about testing' taking place over the last month.

Running: Good, but not, I think, as good as the Kato 'Unitrack' on my US 'N' scale layout.  This will be entirely a consequence of my ham-fisted track laying and not in any way because of the Peco 'Setrack' and 'Streamline' points which are excellent products.

It is also noisy.  The neoprene track base is no better than 'Sundeala' in this regard.  This is a personal thing; I understand many modellers like a bit of running noise.

Without a doubt the major positive result has been the performance of the 'Union Mills' locomotives.  Absolutely first class.

Portability: It is only three-foot-three, by two foot, but it can be awkward to manoeuvre through doorways and into the car.  It is also heavier than I should like but this is probably just me getting older.  However, I won't get younger!

Mrs Train Waiting and I are heading south-west for a couple of days' holiday, which will give me an opportunity to review options whilst we travel on the Ravenglass & Eskdale and suchlike.

Thank you for looking and all best wishes.

John

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 17, 2017, 08:28:08 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6222-170917201035.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55931)

Mrs Train Waiting and I had a splendid trip in the sunshine to Dalegarth with 'Northern Rock'.  'River Irt', 'River Mite' and 'Lady Wakefield' were also out on the line.  The new museum is excellent and the catering was to its usual good standard.  This is a railway that we always enjoy visiting.  And, importantly, it always appears glad to see us.

The hoped-for inspiration for a revised Table-Top railway arrived during the trip - make it smaller and simpler.

And it will still be British 'N' gauge, although 0n9 (is that the correct term?) is certainly tempting!

Thank you very much for reading and I hope you enjoy the picture.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 19, 2017, 02:10:22 PM
Smaller and Simpler.  And Pointless!

Since my Ravenglass and Eskdale inspiration I have had a bit of a think.

The Mk I Table-Top railway at 3'3" by 2' was too big to easily carry through doors or load into the car.  Funnily enough, a plain sheet of MDF that size was easy to manoeuvre, but once the various bits and pieces were added, the weight and, probably more importantly, general awkwardness increased to the point where it was no longer comfortable.

No matter what, this layout will have trains going round, in circles if need be, so the width cannot realistically be less than two feet.  I have a spare sheet of ply 2'6" by 2', so it makes sense to try to use it.  I also have a piece of 'filter foam' which covers the ply.  Hopefully, this will provide better sound insulation than the 'Sundeala' or neoprene which I tried on Mk I.  The 'filter foam' is much softer than the neoprene and I don't think the Peco 'Setrack' will sit happily on it.  I'll use the more robust Kato 'Unitrack' instead, as I have plenty left over from 'Sandrock'. 

In order to avoid very tight curves, I'll make Mk II single track.  A single track, oval-ish, pointless layout of 30"x24".  I think it would be difficult to be smaller and simpler.

Mk I was intended to be the type of model railway I wanted when I was ten or so.  Mk II is more like what I had!  With one difference; Mk II will be based on an actual prototype station.

Here's where I have got to with Mk II:-
 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/6222-190917135155.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55968)

The track above the bilious green foot rule will be hidden and the visible area will be 30"x18.5", conforming to the 'Golden Ratio', more or less.

Now to run some trains, to check if the 'Unitrack' and 'filter foam' is a happy combination, and to carry Mk II around the house* and put it into the car a few times.

Thank you very much for looking.

All best wishes.

John

*The 'up and down the stairs' test will be interesting...
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on September 19, 2017, 02:57:55 PM
Hi John
Just as an illustration of how a small layout can look good, here is a 2ft aquare layout that Mrs PP built a couple of years back :
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/230-190917145736.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55969)
Seen here at Hayle show.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on September 19, 2017, 04:48:09 PM
I think you're being a bit harsh on yourself by referring to the layout as being pointless, John :-X
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 19, 2017, 07:22:26 PM
 :laughabovepost:
 :thankyousign:

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 19, 2017, 07:25:45 PM
Hi John
Just as an illustration of how a small layout can look good, here is a 2ft aquare layout that Mrs PP built a couple of years back :
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/55/230-190917145736.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=55969[/url])
Seen here at Hayle show.


Martin,

That's a very fine layout from Mrs PP..  It was very clever to make the track run round a farm.

All best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 19, 2017, 08:44:17 PM
Based on a Vectis Prototype!

I have to admit that the single track, one (curved) platform, pointless station that I have planned for the Table-Top railway Mk II appears to have little relation to reality.

But, in the spirit of a 'Prototype for Everything', what about this:-

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/251570237785-0-1/s-l1000.jpg (http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/251570237785-0-1/s-l1000.jpg)

It's Mill Hill, just south of Cowes on the former IoWCR.

And look at the tunnel mouth at the platform end; it was so close to the platform that there wasn't a ramp.

There is a good selection of photographs on the internet if one searches for 'Mill Hill station Cowes'.

That's the new plan, then.

Now it's back to testing...

Many thanks for looking.

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on September 19, 2017, 09:09:56 PM
Looking forward to your efforts.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on September 19, 2017, 10:42:43 PM
I'm sure you appreciate with small radius curves within the board space you have, curved platforms will cause a large gap twixt coach and platform. If the platform is behind the train as in the photo of Mill Hill i.e. inside the oval then, of course, only the operator will see this aspect if the layout is operated from the rear.
I have to say curved platforms always have more appeal to me than straight ones.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 20, 2017, 08:17:26 AM
I'm sure you appreciate with small radius curves within the board space you have, curved platforms will cause a large gap twixt coach and platform. If the platform is behind the train as in the photo of Mill Hill i.e. inside the oval then, of course, only the operator will see this aspect if the layout is operated from the rear.
I have to say curved platforms always have more appeal to me than straight ones.

Exactly what I had in mind, NPN; many thanks for your helpful comments.

As you say, the 'Mind the Gap' will not be seen by a viewer when a train is in the station.  What will be seen is relative 'brass threepenny bit' position of coach ends which might be particularly intrusive with corridor stock.

I have attempted to minimise this by having 'Unitrack' 348mm radius curves in the main part of the platform.  I know that this appears unlikely for a two-foot wide layout, but I cheated and the curve sharpens to 282mm and then, at the rear, to 249mm.  I won't claim that this is a proper railway transition curve; it's more like the kind of thing that road engineers sometimes put in place to allow motorcyclists to enjoy themselves!

I have to head out now, but this evening I'll post a list of the 'Unitrack' pieces that I used to obtain this effect.  Possibly some kind member of the Forum with a computer design programme will draw it, so that my abuse of the excellent 'Unitrack' geometry can be seen...

Thanks again and all the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 20, 2017, 09:06:35 PM
A Potential Abuse of Geometry

Back home at last after a day of tedious financial reports and I'm watching the splendid new Union Mills 'Collett Goods' with a Dapol 'B Set' running round the oval-ish 'Unitrack' layout.  Importantly, I have a glass of Australian dry white wine to help me appreciate the train.

Here are the track pieces used to create the very peculiar shape which I have described as 'oval-ish' (any terminological assistance from a geometry enthusiast will be greatly appreciated).

Going clockwise from 12 o'clock:-

20-091 29mm straight [Not now used, please see subsequent posts.]
20-020 124mm straight
20-100 249mm radius 45 degree curve
20-100 249mm radius 45 degree curve
20-111 282mm radius 15 degree curve
20-110 282mm radius 45 degree curve
20-130 348mm radius 30 degree curve
20-130
20-110
20-111
20-100
20-100 and we're back at 12 o'clock.

Hopefully, this will show how mixing the radii of 'Unitrack' allows for an easier curve for the platform than could otherwise be expected on a two foot wide baseboard.  Any computerised drawings offered by Forum members will be most welcome.  I wonder how much I have abused Kato's geometry?  The track all clipped together easily with no obvious gaps.

The train is still running nicely and I'm on another glass of wine.

Chin-chin!

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: AlexanderJesse on September 21, 2017, 12:02:55 AM
Fired up Scarm 1.0 and followed your receipe... I got a missing piece of 0.83"...
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: MalcolmInN on September 21, 2017, 12:46:02 AM
(any terminological assistance

The train is still running nicely and I'm on another glass of wine.
Chin-chin!
Semi-oblate circle ?

I am abusing a glass of Scotch Mist and the track plan looks good :)
Using an earlier SCARM than Alexander and I have an overlap of about 21mm if I put in  the 29mm section, or without it a gap of just 7.9mm which is maybe not a biggie and would pull up ?
Or it could be too much amber nectar and I have messed up !

I'm late on parade but now following with interest  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: AlexanderJesse on September 21, 2017, 06:58:22 AM
Fired up Scarm 1.0 and followed your receipe... I got a missing piece of 0.83"...
Using an earlier SCARM than Alexander and I have an overlap of about 21mm if I put in  the 29mm section, or without it a gap of just 7.9mm which

 :D Saves my day: The post with the british flag uses mm'ŝ and the post with the swiss flag  is using inches   :bounce:  :claphappy:

Makes me wonder what is more natural in this forum: mm or " ?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 21, 2017, 09:54:10 AM
(any terminological assistance

The train is still running nicely and I'm on another glass of wine.
Chin-chin!
Semi-oblate circle ?

Brilliant!

Thank you very much, Malcolm.

All the best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 21, 2017, 10:18:37 AM
Fired up Scarm 1.0 and followed your receipe... I got a missing piece of 0.83"...
Using an earlier SCARM than Alexander and I have an overlap of about 21mm if I put in  the 29mm section, or without it a gap of just 7.9mm which

 :D Saves my day: The post with the british flag uses mm'ŝ and the post with the swiss flag  is using inches   :bounce:  :claphappy:

Makes me wonder what is more natural in this forum: mm or " ?

Thank you very much, Malcolm and Alexander.

This is interesting.  When I laid out the 'Unitrack' of top of the filter foam, there appeared to be a gap of about an inch.  I filled this with the 29mm straight  After reading your very helpful posts this morning, I laid out the track on the very smooth and shiny dining table (Mrs Train Waiting is out!) and the gap vanished.  The semi-oblate circle was perfect with only the 124mm straight.

Two conclusions, I think:-

Conclusion 1: The track pieces were sticking slightly on the soft foam and the ends were not in perfect register although all appeared fine on visual inspection.  This caused the apparent gap to appear.

Conclusion B: The Union Mills locomotive and Dapol coaches ran well on my misaligned 'Unitrack'.  This shows how forgiving 'Unitrack' is.

With regard to the mm/inch debate, if it's over an half-an-inch, I think in inches.  Under that, I tend to think in mm. 

This can have its dangers.  A good few years ago I was there when an elderly painter was sent by the foreman to measure a length of steam pipe for us to cut a replacement.  Arthur returned and said,"Two metres, six."  As I was the boy, I cut the pipe.  Jim, the foreman, and I went to fit it.  It was too short.  He wasn't pleased with me and measured the pipe.  "It's fine: two metres and six centimeters," Jim said, with an unusual look of confusion on his face.  Arthur was summoned.  "No, its two metres and six inches.  I didn't have my glasses and couldn't see the centimetres!"  As this is, rightly, a family forum, I'll end there.

Thank you both so much for all your help.  I'll relay the track without the superfluous piece.

With kind regards.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: MalcolmInN on September 21, 2017, 12:12:22 PM

Two conclusions, I think:-

With regard to the mm/inch debate, if it's over an half-an-inch, I think in inches.  Under that, I tend to think in mm.

 Arthur was summoned.  "No, its two metres and six inches.  I didn't have my glasses and couldn't see the centimetres!"
Haha ! made my day !! Being of a 'certain age' and now recently  having to wear glasses (fortunately those from Poundland seem to work quite well ,,, till I forget where I put them !) my sympathy is with Arthur  :laugh:

I also do mm for most small things (also - degF at home in garden sunshine  but degC and K in the lab, miles in my car but km when designing rf links to spacecraft) but see my use of thou when measuring Peco track, I have lapses :)

I wondered if it may have been due to slight variations in precise lengths used by different versions of Scarm, but yep, agree with your conclusions  :thumbsup: , thanks  so I dont need to update my Scarm :)

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on September 21, 2017, 12:29:42 PM
Let's not lose track of the OP's vision, here, folks - the idea was to recreate a layout similar to Hornby Dublo and Triang of the day, with stuff just dumped down on a tabletop.....

Hence worrying about scenery, radii, etc is unnecessary!

Or have I misunderstood things?

(Extremely possible!)  :worried:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: MalcolmInN on September 21, 2017, 12:55:07 PM
Let's not lose track of the OP's vision, here, folks - the idea was to recreate a layout similar to Hornby Dublo and Triang of the day, with stuff just dumped down on a tabletop.....

Hence worrying about scenery, radii, etc is unnecessary!

Or have I misunderstood things?

(Extremely possible!)  :worried:
I think you have !
As far as I was (not) concerned nor at all worried
(the OP as you put it ) ,  John asked about the geometry, we commented on it, as per his wishes.
The rest was conversation in line, again, with his style I think ? (it was he who introduced the glass of wine - hence my Scotch Mist, he introduced Arthur hence my glasses, etc&etc  )

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 21, 2017, 02:45:10 PM

Haha ! made my day !! Being of a 'certain age' and now recently  having to wear glasses (fortunately those from Poundland seem to work quite well ,,, till I forget where I put them !) my sympathy is with Arthur  :laugh:

I also do mm for most small things (also - degF at home in garden sunshine  but degC and K in the lab, miles in my car but km when designing rf links to spacecraft) but see my use of thou when measuring Peco track, I have lapses :)


Malcolm

Many thanks for this.  I think the measurement situation will take several generations to resolve.  I appear to have converted myself to deg C for temperature, which is progress, I suppose.

Beer is still in pints for me although wine is in ml.

If I see the US engine displacement for a motorcycle in cubic inches, I'm completely lost.

And, as for gradients in %!?

Your sympathy for Arthur was not shared by those on the day, although by going home time the 'Engineers' Shop' was rocking with laughter as the story went round.  My eighteen-year old self learnt first hand the wisdom of my father's saying, 'Measure twice and cut once.'

Thanks again and all the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 21, 2017, 03:01:34 PM
Let's not lose track of the OP's vision, here, folks - the idea was to recreate a layout similar to Hornby Dublo and Triang of the day, with stuff just dumped down on a tabletop.....

Hence worrying about scenery, radii, etc is unnecessary!

Or have I misunderstood things?

(Extremely possible!)  :worried:
I think you have !
As far as I was (not) concerned nor at all worried
(the OP as you put it ) ,  John asked about the geometry, we commented on it, as per his wishes.
The rest was conversation in line, again, with his style I think ? (it was he who introduced the glass of wine - hence my Scotch Mist, he introduced Arthur hence my glasses, etc&etc  )

Hello George

I've got to say, it would be difficult to understand my ramblings; I'm not sure I understand them myself!

Yes, the Table-Top railway started with exactly that in mind, but I was not happy with the result I achieved (too big, too heavy, too noisy) and I had a rethink to make the Mk II version smaller, lighter and (hopefully) quieter.  This resulted in a simplified track plan, paradoxically based on actual location, using Kato 'Unitrack'.  I was wondering how much I had abused the 'Unitrack' geometry and Malcolm and Alexander very kindly responded to my request to check my design using a computer programme.

This led to me learning that I had included an unnecessary piece of track, which was very helpful indeed and I am most grateful for the assistance I received.

I firmly believe that model railways are for fun and welcome any humour or jolly banter that appears in this thread as much as I welcome all the help, advice and encouragement.  This Forum strikes me as having exactly the right balance.

With all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: AlexanderJesse on September 21, 2017, 03:39:07 PM
Played around with TraxEditor.com a web-based layout editor (no need to install something on your computer, just use your browser).

Well after adding the track I descided to play around with scenery. And this is what resulted from adding
- the hinted at tunnel needed a mountain or a hill.
- from mountains flow rivers (here a liitle one)
- where a farm can dwell on
- to sell its products it needs traffic options (a road and a train station)
and John got a small cottage in the hills where he can sit on a bench with a glass of his favourite white wine and watch the scenery below:
(https://www.traxeditor.com/snapshots/15059897124377676.png)

What do you think about that  attempt?

Btw. the Traxeditor's Kato definitions left a hole of a few millimetres...
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: MalcolmInN on September 21, 2017, 04:09:29 PM
Played around with TraxEditor.com a web-based layout editor (no need to install something on your computer, just use your browser).
Oh ! nice find, thanks new to me.
Scarm is strange, it ought not to need installing, in fact it can be used portable on a usb drive but only after installing then uninstalling on your computer first ! (I expect it is part of his planned obsolescence ? )

John is right, it is a generation thing in the UK, since we were metrificated way back, my daughter looks at me with sympathy when I use feet and inches, turning to pity when I measure out my ingredients for bread in lbs. and oz. But I am quite happy (for many decades) with cgs and now SI units in the lab or workplace :) though in school it was FPS argh !!

John, carry on  the good ideas with Kato, I think I am going to go a similar route soon with an M1 and some extras.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 21, 2017, 05:02:06 PM
Alexander, that is amazing.  Thank you so very much.

Yes, please, there is nothing better than sitting comfortably with a glass of foaming ale or some wine (and I certainly enjoy Swiss wine) watching the trains pass by.  Doesn't matter to me what scale: 1:1 or 1:148.  This layout is definitely one for watching the trains pass by.

The gap of a few millimetres doesn't cause any problems in reality: the 'Unitrack' clips together perfectly.  I'll run some trains this evening.

Thanks again for this splendid scenic scheme which certainly brings my simple concept to life.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 22, 2017, 09:31:12 PM
The Sound of (Almost) Silence!

I've had the opportunity for a fair bit of test running this past two evenings.  5504 'Jutland' (Union Mills) and three Gresley teak coaches (Dapol) are in action at present.  The combination of Kato 'Unitrack' and 6mm 'filter foam' trackbed certainly makes for agreeably quiet running.  The present baseboard is 30"x24" 12mm ply.

I am really enjoying simply watching the train run past every 10 seconds.  I think that this will be a scale speed of 35-40 mph which certainly makes for relaxing viewing.

The only aspect which is of concern is that the known 'Unitrack' feature of a possible slight step at rail joins appears to be exaggerated by the soft trackbed.  On such a small layout, any dipping joints can be easily adjusted by hand and they appear to stay in alignment until the next track cleaning session.  Certainly, 'Jutland' is running smoothly at present with no evidence of vertically-misaligned rail joins.

However, I think that I might experiment with glued track joins which ought to hold the track pieces in vertical alignment.

It appears that the 'too noisy' aspect of the Table-Top railway Mk I has been successfully addressed in Mk II.

Tomorrow, I'll carry the layout about the house for a while too see if the 'too big' and 'too heavy' aspects have also been addressed.  All part of the fun of railway modelling!

Many thanks for looking.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: MalcolmInN on September 22, 2017, 11:40:55 PM
I am really enjoying simply watching the train run past every 10 seconds.  I think that this will be a scale speed of 35-40 mph which certainly makes for relaxing viewing.

The only aspect which is of concern is that the known 'Unitrack' feature of a possible slight step at rail joins appears to be exaggerated by the soft trackbed.

However, I think that I might experiment with glued track joins which ought to hold the track pieces in vertical alignment.
Me too, I have an oval on a table just for watching things go round while  playing shunting on an embryo Inglenook.  But it is settrack and a bit slidy-abouty and keeps unjoining itself :), I had to use folded kitchen roll as a track bed to silence it. Might have to try your foam idea.  :thumbsup:

But what I really meant to say was : would a ring of stout paper or thin card spread the loads and offer support at the joins, or risk introducing the noise again ? I'll have to do some searching on this "well known" unitrack feature  :doh: Gluing seems a little permanent ??

I have been trying to sign up ever since AJ mentioned it, to the online designer, no luck yet, so its back to Scarm !

Oh yes, the other thing : dunno about Gresleys but Mk1's (at 57ft? + 1/2 a gap) are reputed to be good scale speed tools, something like 1 coach per sec = 60mph
Caveat : I may have got that totally orribly wrong the state of my memory but someone somewhere ??? You know what they say : " quickest way to get a right answer is post a wrong one "

Good luck, enjoy your beer.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: AlexanderJesse on September 22, 2017, 11:47:23 PM
I have been trying to sign up ever since AJ mentioned it, to the online designer, no luck yet, so its back to Scarm !

If you have a running scarm installation: all the better. Since Scarm has gone pay-ware I am looking for an alternative and the webbased-stuff even works from the office for some lunch-brak-planning  :D
Strange that signing up did not work for you, I had no problems at all... The look&feel needs quite a bit of getting used too...
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: MalcolmInN on September 23, 2017, 12:08:09 AM
something like 1 coach per sec = 60mph
Drat,,,  60ft/s = approx 40mph lol!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: MalcolmInN on September 23, 2017, 01:15:38 AM
If you have a running scarm installation: all the better. Since Scarm has gone pay-ware I am looking for an alternative
Yes, from many years back, after all the support, promo and recommends given there will be many who will be looking likewise  ,,  there is so much that I could say about 'all' that, but not here I think !
As I said previously - nice find of the Online one,  :thumbsup: I am charitably putting my difficulties with their website down to a suspected undiagnosed dyslexia problem ! And after much digging I am in correspondence with 'a personage' :)

Has it been mentioned in the Track Planning Software section I wonder ? Your discovery, I dont want to steal your thunder  ;D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on September 23, 2017, 06:47:49 AM
something like 1 coach per sec = 60mph
Drat,,,  60ft/s = approx 40mph lol!
Yes, the exact conversion is 60mph = 88 ft/sec
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 23, 2017, 09:25:22 AM
Me too, I have an oval on a table just for watching things go round while  playing shunting on an embryo Inglenook.  But it is settrack and a bit slidy-abouty and keeps unjoining itself :), I had to use folded kitchen roll as a track bed to silence it. Might have to try your foam idea.  :thumbsup:

But what I really meant to say was : would a ring of stout paper or thin card spread the loads and offer support at the joins, or risk introducing the noise again ?

Many thanks, Malcolm.

Much as I love Peco products, for what you describe on your table, some Kato 'Unitrack' might be better as it does not unjoin itself.  I understand that its core Japanese market has lots of people who build complicated layouts and then dismantle them after 'playing trains' as they have no space for more permanent layouts.  Therefore, 'Unitrack' is designed to be put down and taken up.  The key to this is the 'Unijoiners'.  You'll probably find that the Peco fishplates get a little bit loose after a few cycles of 'build and dismantle'. 

When I tried 'Setrack' laid on top of the 'filter foam', it appeared to be to be a bit light and flimsy and did not want to stay in place.  Of course, gluing with 'Copydex' would likely cure that, but I am not ready to glue the track down just yet.  'Unitrack', with its integral ballast, is more substantial and the 'Unijoiners' lock together, so it appears to be ideal for the job.

I'd venture to suggest that, if you use 'Unitrack', you might not actually need the 'filter foam' layer unless you want to protect your table top or, like me, like quiet running trains.  But, if you decide you need something, this is probably the stuff.  After experimenting, I found the 6mm version was easier to use than the 12mm (and cheaper!), whilst just as effective.

Thank you for your suggestion about paper or card to support the 'Unitrack' joins.  I actually tried this.  I found that, to be strong enough to prevent the risk of vertical misalignment during track cleaning it had to be quite substantial.  And then, as you mention, the running got noisier!  What I'll do is experiment with double length 'Unitrack' sections; two pieces glued together, to see how I get on.  A bit like the railways did when they made their rail lengths longer.  If this works well, I'll progress to three or four joined together.

Thank you very much for your helpful comments and suggestions.

All the best.

John   
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: MalcolmInN on September 23, 2017, 12:15:19 PM
Yes, the exact conversion is 60mph = 88 ft/sec
Thanks for checking Laurence.
I got my braincells crossed, I knew there was a 60 in it somewhere ! what I should have written (for a Mk1 coach) was :
1coach/sec ~= 60ft/s ~= 40mph
all I need now are a few diodes and an arduino to make a speedometer  :laugh:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: MalcolmInN on September 23, 2017, 06:01:21 PM
The key to this is the 'Unijoiners'.  You'll probably find that the Peco fishplates get a little bit loose after a few cycles of 'build and dismantle'. 
Yes, that's the prob. and it has not been mantled very much either ! It came with various Farish sets that I wanted the locos from and was a temporary (hah!) affair till the bird that had flown got round to taking the nest as well, not happened yet so plans for a big baseboard are a bit delayed ! And there are ominous noises being made about knitting machines and sewing rooms  :veryangry:  :help:

Only had one more thought about supporting the joins, I have seen Kato but cannot remember how much space there is inside round the unijoiners, I am thinking some sort of removable longitudinal clip/tube/rod perhaps rolled up cardboard, though it might be difficult getting the last one in. Please excuse if I am teaching eggs :) whilst thinking aloud about what I may soon be doing !
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 23, 2017, 06:49:36 PM
Many thanks, Malcolm.

These are very helpful suggestions and much appreciated.

A friend of mine who is less annoyed by noisy running simply pinned the 'Unitrack' firmly down on the baseboard and dressed the joints with a fine file, emery cloth and a Peco track rubber.

This will make many modellers shudder, but it worked for him.

I'm making things difficult for myself with the soft foam track bed.

Prototypical, though!  I recently saw a severely 'pumping' rail joint as a freight train passed over it whilst I was waiting on the 'other side' platform for my train.

Thanks again for your thoughts and good luck with the 'sewing room' hazard.  It's absolutely unput-upable that a sewing room takes precedence over a train set room.  Possibly a joint room, though?

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 24, 2017, 03:52:41 PM
Some Good Progress.

Firstly, with regard to portability, are the size and weight of the Table-Top railway Mk II acceptable?  After rather a lot of indulging myself with the Traditional Scottish Weekend Activity of carrying a layout around the house and garden (and into the car), I can say that both are fine.  This is meant as a truly portable layout, rather than a transportable one, if you get my meaning.  So, it was one person (me) and doors and stairs for the test.  Once some buildings and suchlike are put on the layout, the size and weight questions effectively merge into an 'awkwardness quotient'.  And the wiring needs to be arranged so that it does not catch on that sticking out door handle!  2'6" x 2' is now established as my portable layout maximum size.

Secondly, I have arrived at a technique to glue 'Unitrack' pieces together in such a way that the rail ends can be held in (close to) perfect register.  This avoids the 'stepping joints' which I found to be particularly prevalent when laying 'Unitrack' on soft foam.  Watching, at eye level, a Union Mills 'Prince of Wales' pass over the rails, one can see the very slight deflection of the foam under the weight of the locomotive.  Importantly, at a 'doctored' rail joint, the adjacent track pieces move as one.  The 'doctored' joints appear to be immune from vertical misalignment after track cleaning.  Early days, of course, but encouraging.

I feel that I have now successfully addressed the 'too big, too heavy and too noisy' problems of Mk I.  Perhaps more importantly, I have proved to myself that, on the third attempt, I can have fun with British 'N' gauge.  Maybe that 4 metres x 1 metre space I have in the Train Set Room won't all be for '00' gauge after all...

Thank you very much for looking.

Special thanks to everyone who has been kind enough to send a 'Thank You' to me with regard to my ramblings.  Much appreciated!   :thankyousign:

All best wishes.

John   
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on September 24, 2017, 04:28:01 PM
Glad you are making progress.
All we need now is a few photographs.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on September 24, 2017, 05:23:24 PM
Glad you are making progress.

Yes, indeed.
You just know that 4mtrs x 1mtr space is calling out for full length trains so N gauge it has to be :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 24, 2017, 08:54:58 PM
Glad you are making progress.

Yes, indeed.
You just know that 4mtrs x 1mtr space is calling out for full length trains so N gauge it has to be :D

Thank you, gentlemen.

NPN, Tempting, I know.  But I have built four large layouts and all of them ran but rarely.  The tiny Table-Top railway Mk II runs almost every day.  There is, maybe, an optimum size for a solo modeller and operator.  I've no idea what it is, though!

My thoughts this evening are 2m x 1m for both British 'N' gauge and '00'.  It would be a shame if my old Wrenn locomotives (and other stuff, assorted) had nowhere to run.  All ideas gratefully received.

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on September 24, 2017, 10:30:01 PM
Can you fit a 'double decker' system in the space like some folks do with a different gauge on each layer?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 25, 2017, 07:32:29 PM
Many thanks, NPN.

That's certainly worth thinking about.

All the best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on October 03, 2017, 07:48:43 PM
Tidy Friday on a Tuesday.

Thanks to Port Perran's comments on his thread, I had a major tidy-up today and the Matterhorn of junk has gone.  In its place is the 2m x 1m surface of the baseboard for my next effort.  The general idea is that the little Table-Top Railway will act as a test-bed for techniques which will then be used on this layout.

I could not resist throwing some spare Kato 'Unitrack' (#6 points) on top and playing trains...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/56/6222-031017192018.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=56331)

Apologies for the '00' gauge intrusion at the left-hand side; the original plan was for a 4m x 1m '00' layout.  Present thinking is for two 2m x 1m layouts: one '00' and one British 'N'.

A 2m length with #6 points allows for loops long enough for a locomotive and four carriages.

It's interesting how much quieter the trains run on this massively-built baseboard compared to the 12mm ply of the Table-Top Railway.  Less 'drumming' I suppose.  Iain Rice wrote about this some years ago; I must look it up.

Thanks to Port Perran for the inspiration to get tidying!

Thank you for reading.

Toodle-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on October 03, 2017, 07:52:28 PM
Glad I was able to inspire a tidy up
 Iny own layout is now clutter free and I've nearly finished tidying up my bits and bobs boxes.
By the way.....I do hope that baton behind the layout is level  ;)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on October 03, 2017, 08:26:58 PM
Can you come and tidy mine now please? :)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on October 03, 2017, 10:31:47 PM
I hope the baseboard has been conditioned as per the lettering :uneasy:
Is the batten above to create an upper tier layout?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on October 05, 2017, 07:46:27 PM
NPN

Yes, the 'Sundeala' has been conditioned.

Your suggestion of two levels was interesting and helpful, so I thought it was worth making provision for it at this stage.  If I don't go this route, no harm done.  But, if I decide that I want another 'tier' after track is laid and suchlike, it will be so much easier to have the batten already in place and...

By the way.....I do hope that baton behind the layout is level  ;

... level!

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on October 05, 2017, 08:23:54 PM
NPN

Yes, the 'Sundeala' has been conditioned.

Your suggestion of two levels was interesting and helpful, so I thought it was worth making provision for it at this stage.  If I don't go this route, no harm done.  But, if I decide that I want another 'tier' after track is laid and suchlike, it will be so much easier to have the batten already in place and level!


If nothing else it might provide a basis for a lighting pelmet and/or dust cover
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on October 07, 2017, 03:37:27 PM
A Nice Time in a Garden between the Forth and the Tweed

After mowing the lawns on a sunny October afternoon with a strong wind blowing, what should the enthusiastic gardener do next?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/w820ydyr2g0ih99/Table-Top%20Garden.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/w820ydyr2g0ih99/Table-Top%20Garden.MOV?dl=0)

'Enchantress' enjoying the fresh air.  She is a lovely locomotive.

At least this proves the portability of the Table-Top Railway Mk II.  Carry it outside, sit it on a convenient wall, plug it in and that's it... 'N' gauge in the garden.  Nice with a cup of tea and a sticky bun.

Thank you for looking.

Toodle-pip.

John


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on October 07, 2017, 04:41:21 PM
A Nice Time in a Garden between the Forth and the Tweed

After mowing the lawns on a sunny October afternoon with a strong wind blowing, what should the enthusiastic gardener do next?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/w820ydyr2g0ih99/Table-Top%20Garden.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/w820ydyr2g0ih99/Table-Top%20Garden.MOV?dl=0)

'Enchantress' enjoying the fresh air.  She is a lovely locomotive.

At least this proves the portability of the Table-Top Railway Mk II.  Carry it outside, sit it on a convenient wall, plug it in and that's it... 'N' gauge in the garden.  Nice with a cup of tea and a sticky bun.

Thank you for looking.

Toodle-pip.

John
Great stuff.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on October 07, 2017, 08:52:25 PM
Nice with a cup of tea and a sticky bun.


Just as well it wasn't a cappuccino, John. "Where's me froth & choccy gone?" :laugh:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on October 07, 2017, 09:07:44 PM
Nice with a cup of tea and a sticky bun.


Just as well it wasn't a cappuccino, John. "Where's me froth & choccy gone?" :laugh:

NPN

I am given to understand that 'cappuccino' is Italian for 'you paid too much for that coffee!'

Ciao!

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on October 07, 2017, 09:18:41 PM
My understanding is that 'cappuccino' is Italian for 'white moustache' :)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on October 07, 2017, 09:21:08 PM
 :laughabovepost: :wave: :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on October 23, 2017, 09:20:45 PM
'Pinza' on Trial

I mentioned on the 'J&J Models, Morpeth' thread that I fancied trying a modern British 'N' gauge diesel locomotive.  My experience with Kato 'N' scale US diesels has been entirely positive.  Certainly, the engineering layout of a bogie diesel lends itself to 'N' gauge.  My three Graham Farish GWR railcars are good runners and they use the same mechanical layout as a bogie diesel locomotive.

So, fast forward from Hogmanay 1938 to the summer of 1961.  Here is 'Pinza' on trial on the Table-Top Railway Mk III.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-231017211803.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57136)

The results so far are very positive; D9007 is a very nice runner.  I might be tempted to try another diesel.  Maybe a Dapol model next?

Best wishes and toodle-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on October 23, 2017, 09:31:15 PM
Very nicely posed with the Horsebox and the AA motorcycle. Being very much a Southenerner Deltics are a bit alien to me although I saw a few (mainly at Kings Cross) and I had a return trip (in 64 I think) behind Deltics from Kings X to Peter orough and return.
I think they look really good, fine machines.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on October 23, 2017, 10:11:11 PM
Thank you very much, Martin.

I grew up in SW Scotland and saw only two 'Deltics' as a boy (at KX on a family holiday to London!); 9004 'Queen's Own Highlander' and 9008 'The Green Howards'.  Then I went to Dundee as a student and saw another 11 (and 'Deltic 4' again!).  As a birthday treat to myself in 1978 I bunked off to Edinburgh by DMU and then travelled on the 1210 to Newcastle behind 55 016 'Gordon Highlander'.  Although I am more of a steam enthusiast, I remember the journey to this day.  It was my first trip on the ECML south of Edinburgh and I was very impressed by the Royal Border Bridge ... and still am although I cross over it several times each year. 

I didn't see 'Pinza' back then, though, so it's nice to see it in 1:148 scale.  And I think the two-tone green livery suits 'Deltics' better than rail blue (I hope I don't get into trouble for this remark!). 

All the very best.

John

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on October 24, 2017, 12:13:10 AM
 :hellosign: Many thanks for the superb photo John, & yes agree the Deltics are fine machines especially in the green livery
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on October 26, 2017, 08:33:53 PM
:hellosign: Many thanks for the superb photo John, & yes agree the Deltics are fine machines especially in the green livery
     regards Derek.


Thank you very much, Derek.  You are far too kind as regards the photograph, taken with the office's mobile telephone.  I don't have a digital camera, but Mrs Train Waiting has and I have borrowed it.  Here's another attempt at D9007 on the Table-Top Railway Mk III.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-261017200116.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57258)

Still far from perfect but, maybe, a tad better. 

Still in the summer of 1961, here is the preserved LNWR 'Prince of Wales' 4-6-0 'Mark Twain' on a special train.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-261017200403.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57260)

And, finally, using the power of time travel available to British 'N' gauge enthusiasts, back to the 'Roaring Twenties' and a 'J39' shunts the goods yard whilst a 'D20' stops in the station with a down local passenger train.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-261017202852.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57267)


Not a good photograph, I know, but I think there is a just a little hint of pre-war tinplate trains about it, which I rather like.  Bertie Wooster's train set, perhaps.

Many thanks for looking and tickety-tonk!

John

PS Steam locomotives by Union Mills, 'Pinza' by Graham Farish, passenger stock by Graham Farish and goods stock by Peco.

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on October 27, 2017, 10:52:44 AM
Some More Photographs.

I have not handed Mrs Train Waiting her digital camera back yet!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-271017102846.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57393)

This is the front of the Table-Top Railway Mk III.  Perhaps 'table' is not a completely accurate term given the over-engineering evident in the photograph.  Kitchen units (from Howden's) below and then some heavy-duty timber on top.  I can stand on it!  More importantly, the height (41") is perfect for seated operation and the massive construction has effective sound-deadening properties which is tempting me to lay the Kato 'Unitrack' directly on the Sundeala.

At the rear of the layout are the 'back loops' giving visible staging, an idea borrowed from 'Wilbury' and 'Bassenthwaite Lake' and discussed on the Ais Gill thread.  The up loop is in place and the down loop is under construction.  The loops are long enough for a 'Deltic' and four Mk Is or a dozen wagons plus brake van with a goods engine.  The Kato #6 turnouts take up a lot of space but the quality of the running, especially over facing points, is well worth it, in my view.  The down loop (the piece of track, at present!) is 36" from the baseboard edge.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-271017104142.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57395)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-271017104225.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57396)

The clearing point with the #6 turnouts is the join to the next track piece, so 2537 can draw forward a bit yet.  The McEwan's beer tank wagon is a Harburn Hobbies' special, manufactured by Peco.  It's very nice indeed.

Thank you for looking.

Toodle-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on October 27, 2017, 02:13:49 PM
Thanks for that, John, and just to show I was paying attention in class I can't believe the down loop is 36ft from the baseboard edge ;)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: AlexanderJesse on October 27, 2017, 05:41:24 PM
Thanks for that, John, and just to show I was paying attention in class I can't believe the down loop is 36ft from the baseboard edge ;)
36' well... that's why we don't see the down loop ... it is hidden in the next house  :laugh3: :laugh3: :laugh3:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on October 27, 2017, 06:24:08 PM
Ah....you have one of those MCEwans tankers.
Iíve been considering one of those.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on October 27, 2017, 07:59:00 PM
Thanks for that, John, and just to show I was paying attention in class I can't believe the down loop is 36ft from the baseboard edge ;)
Does that mean 72mm in N scale?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on October 27, 2017, 08:07:39 PM
Whoops-a-daisy!  A typing error resulted in  false pretences.  Inches multiplied by 12!   :doh: :-[

It has been corrected.

Thank you NPN for pointing it out and chaps for your banter.

Pip-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on October 27, 2017, 08:28:24 PM
Ah....you have one of those MCEwans tankers.
Iíve been considering one of those.


I think you ought to make a purchase, Martin.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-271017200932.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57406)

If you don't know it, Harburn Hobbies (HH) is a proper model shop run by a lovely family.  They are doing innovative things and are, in my view, worthy of our support.  Their British 'N' gauge wagons, commissioned from Peco, are super little things.  Maybe not Cornish (yet), but we can use Chris (IP)'s lovely idea of special workings between the historic county of Midlothian and the Royal Duchy.

By the way, I have had a fair bit of McEwan's beer inflicted on me over the years.  Hence, the other wagon (another retailer special but not HH).  Maybe I should negotiate with HH for Timothy Taylor's and Harvey's vans for the Table-Top Railway Mks II and III.  We could then have an Under the Table-Top Railway - all invited!

 :beers:

Slainte!

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: dannyboy on October 27, 2017, 09:46:26 PM
I have both the above wagons and very nice they look. They will go in my 'limited edition' wagon drawer, but will get the occasional run, and it is nice to give a bit of support to the 'little' shops, especially when they are prepared to go to the expense - and risk - of commissioning the model. As has been said, go and get one.  :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on October 28, 2017, 02:48:45 PM
Ah....you have one of those MCEwans tankers.
Iíve been considering one of those.


I think you ought to make a purchase, Martin.


([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-271017200932.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57406[/url])

If you don't know it, Harburn Hobbies (HH) is a proper model shop run by a lovely family.  They are doing innovative things and are, in my view, worthy of our support.  Their British 'N' gauge wagons, commissioned from Peco, are super little things.  Maybe not Cornish (yet), but we can use Chris (IP)'s lovely idea of special workings between the historic county of Midlothian and the Royal Duchy.

By the way, I have had a fair bit of McEwan's beer inflicted on me over the years.  Hence, the other wagon (another retailer special but not HH).  Maybe I should negotiate with HH for Timothy Taylor's and Harvey's vans for the Table-Top Railway Mks II and III.  We could then have an Under the Table-Top Railway - all invited!

 :beers:

Slainte!

John

Plus of course thereís the Scottish and Newcastle one from HH.
I have rhe Shepherd Neame van already plus a few other PO beer wagons.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on October 28, 2017, 08:31:44 PM
Choose a Station, any Station!

With absolutely no planning whatsoever, other than sticking some Kato 'Unitrack' pieces together, here is the evolving station for the Table-Top Railway Mk III.  A double track main line through station with a bay for a branch line, having access to the down main line by means of a trailing connection.  Right in the CJ Freezer tradition.
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-281017200218.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57430)

From the camera: branch line, down main, up main and goods yard.  I thought that the branch line would head away from London and derived the up and down main line nomenclature from that.  The branch line will have a run-round loop before the single track platform line (Alne is a good example of this).  The little two-siding goods yard even has a headshunt!

Here's a couple of lineside photographs (yes, I know the GWR railcar is a bit later than the Grouping to Hogmanay 1938 period, but I like it).

(http://[url=http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-281017200925.jpeg]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-281017200925.jpeg[/url]) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57431)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-281017201004.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57432)

It, hopefully, has a hint of a pre-war layout to it (I like to think of it as Bertie Wooster's train set).

I'm not sure where the station will be, but it will certainly be in more than one place.  Present thinking is:  Brawton, LNER; Flaxfield, LNER; Guestwick, GWR; Somewhere, SR and Somewhere Else, LMS.  Junctions for the Darrowby, Arcady, Allington, Sanditon and Who Knows Where branch lines.  That way, I can run my collection of locomotives and stock for each of Big Four.  Four main line trains and one (maybe two) branch line train/s.

Model railways are fun - certainly in British 'N' gauge!

Perhaps Mr Jeeves will help me build it...

Many thanks for looking.

Tickety-tonk.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on October 28, 2017, 08:36:43 PM
Good old CJF. 'The PSL Book of Model Railway wiring' is what I started with and still refer to.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on October 28, 2017, 09:00:21 PM
Good old CJF. 'The PSL Book of Model Railway wiring' is what I started with and still refer to.


Many thanks, NPN: I started my CJF enthusiasm with this - 1971 edition.  I still occasionally take it with me for an agreeable diversion on tedious business trips, so 25p well spent, I reckon.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-281017205423.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57435)

C Hamilton Ellis' 'The Trains We Loved' is another favourite antidote to business trip ennui.

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: PeteW on October 29, 2017, 12:51:44 AM
It's not fair that you really old geezers have all the good reference books.

 :P
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: AlexanderJesse on October 29, 2017, 08:58:01 AM
It's not fair that you really old geezers have all the good reference books.

 :P

Was thinking about the same  :D
Is the Peco-book still in commerce? If not maybe a scan would be allowed? Maybe we should start to nag Peco to allow a us a PDF for the forum-members ... or they sell us a PDF
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: rogerdB on October 29, 2017, 11:04:29 AM
It's not fair that you really old geezers have all the good reference books.

Plenty of second-hand copies available. Check out Amazon or Abebooks (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/ (https://www.abebooks.co.uk/)).
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: jcmjcm on October 29, 2017, 01:31:12 PM
Publication is still available as both a print and digital edition
https://www.pecopublications.co.uk/shop.html (https://www.pecopublications.co.uk/shop.html)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on October 29, 2017, 02:45:01 PM
It's not fair that you really old geezers have all the good reference books.

 :P

D'you know. I never thought of myself as a 'really old geezer' but now I feel like, erm, er, a really old geezer :'(
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: MalcolmInN on October 29, 2017, 04:06:39 PM
It's not fair that you really old geezers have all the good reference books.:P
D'you know. I never thought of myself as a 'really old geezer' but now I feel like, erm, er, a really old geezer :'(
:laughabovepost: Anyone know a good forum for really really old geezers ?  :wave:


>>>
Remember the early 70s when inflation got to 20% or more, we were a basket case and we joined a foreign club ?
This is my 3rd Ed, 3rd impression, 1975 Eeeek 3x the price of your '71 :(

As in all good ransom pics. I include a current post in the background  :D
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/3699-291017160452.jpeg)

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on October 30, 2017, 09:23:22 PM
It's Brawton Today.

Brawton (Change for Darrowby) was busy this afternoon and Tristan was loafing about the station with his camera rather than attending to his duties.  A 'D20' 4-4-0 stops in the station with an up local passenger train whilst a 'J26' plays with some coal wagons.  The 'J26' looks like the better-known 'J27' but has circular windows in the cab front.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-301017210802.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57494)

Or, in train set reality, 80 years later:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-301017211145.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57495)

I should be jolly grateful if no-one mentions that the splendid old NER went in for efficient coal drops rather than the more usual arrangement...

Locomotives by Union Mills (I really like the finish on the passenger engines; a well-cared for sheen rather than the matt finish favoured by some manufacturers and modellers nowadays), passenger rolling stock by Dapol and goods rolling stock by Peco.

Thank you for looking.

Toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: dannyboy on October 30, 2017, 09:46:29 PM

D'you know. I never thought of myself as a 'really old geezer' but now I feel like, erm, er, a really old geezer :'(

Reminds me of the first time I went to the hospital for my prostate problem. I was sat in the waiting room thinking, "It's full of old men here".  I then realised that, being in my 60's, some people would consider me old.  :'( . (Actually, I am just 28 years of age - apart from the body I inhabit  ;)).
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on October 31, 2017, 07:08:02 AM

D'you know. I never thought of myself as a 'really old geezer' but now I feel like, erm, er, a really old geezer :'(

( . (Actually, I am just 28 years of age - apart from the body I inhabit  ;)).

Wow, donít think Iíve even got to 28 yet.  :no:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on October 31, 2017, 08:47:48 PM
Some Experimentation and We've Gone Great Western

I have been playing with the run round loop for the branch line.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-311017203834.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57526)

'Dean Goods' 2537 runs round the Allington branch 'B Set' whilst 'Collett Goods' 2242 heads out of Guestwick station on the down main line.

All this playing is useful as it became clear that the run round loop is far too close to the baseboard edge.  I'll either push all the track forward a bit (one can get away with this sort of behaviour with Kato 'Unitrack'!) or I'll simply move the loop to the other side of the branch line.
The plan is that the overbridge will have a double track arch for the main line and a single track arch for the branch.  The inspirations for this are Churston and Alne.

Thus far I have been fortunate enough to be able to re-use track from an abandoned hidden storage yard from 'Sandrock', my US layout.  However, I'll now need to order a couple of packs of 20-132 348mm radius curves and some 24-818 Power Joiners to complete the down line and to wire the layout neatly.

Many thanks for looking and best wishes.

Toodle-oo!

John

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 02, 2017, 08:46:47 PM
It's not fair that you really old geezers have all the good reference books.

 :P


I don't know if us 'really old geezers' have 'all the good reference books', but we certainly have some of them.  This is one of my favourites:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-021117203717.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57576)

Published in 1949 or 1950, I have found different opinions on this and the book has no publication date that I can see.  Probably not that rare and I'm sure that a copy could be obtained fairly easily.

But maybe not a copy like this:


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-021117203952.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57577)

I was very glad to find it.

Happy reading...

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 02, 2017, 08:55:02 PM
Nice to have a signed book by the good bishop.
I have a weakness for railway books with several hundred scattered around.
Bought a new one in Wadebridge on Tuesday.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 02, 2017, 09:54:59 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks for the  :greatpicturessign: much playing brings forth good ideas
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 04, 2017, 03:15:26 PM
Progress!

That's the plan for the Table-Top Railway Mk III fixed in my mind and it is now part-fixed to the baseboard.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-041117150000.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57722)

The Up line is complete, apart from replacing the power feed arrangements and the Down line is partly complete.  It won't take long to finish the tracklaying when the parcel from 'TrainTrax' arrives, as most of what you see in the photograph has been marked-out and fixed in place, so it is simply a matter of clipping in the new track.  I have my old 'Gaugemaster' controller ready and waiting for double track operation.

Once the main lines are operational, I'll turn my attention to the branch line (the platform for which will be in the foreground).  I am conscious that, off to the left of the photograph is another 2m x 1m with a H0/00 gauge railway.  Perhaps, in due course, some thinking will be required...

Single-line working is in place and trains are running, pending the parcel!

Thank you for looking.

With best wishes.

Toodle-oo.

John

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 04, 2017, 03:33:41 PM
Loks very good indeedy John.
Hope the track parcel turns up soon.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on November 04, 2017, 04:37:52 PM
Just to advise, John, that in UK outline the outer oval is normally the 'Up' line and travels in a clockwise direction so, to me, you have the 'Down' line completed :hmmm:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 04, 2017, 08:20:06 PM
Just to advise, John, that in UK outline the outer oval is normally the 'Up' line and travels in a clockwise direction so, to me, you have the 'Down' line completed :hmmm:

Thank you very much for this, NPN.  I have been interested in model railways, off and on, for many years and I had never heard this before.

I really don't know why, but I think of London being to the right.  I could understand this if I was from GWR-land, or, perhaps, the L&SWR, as East is to the right of the compass!  I'm from G&SWR territory and, as a boy, my local station was Kilmarnock (up to right from main platform) and then, as a student it was Dundee (sort of ditto), then Inverness (sort of ditto, again) and now, from where I see the ECML, up is to the right.

This is purely a co-incidence, but in all the signal boxes I've spent much time in, up has been to the right as well.  I suppose that I've been programmed!

There is maybe something else to this, as the photograph you saw faces pretty much North, so, perhaps without even thinking about it, my brain (or what passes for a brain) reinforced my prejudices and saw London as East, or to the right, hence the inside oval.  The branch line will head away from London, and, given the layout of the room, will go to the left, so my 'confirmation bias' was complete.

Many thanks for this thought-provoking comment.

With all good wishes.

John 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on November 04, 2017, 08:35:43 PM
I had it dinned into me by my Dad who worked on the railways that, despite living in Wolverton, Bucks., if I was heading south to London I was still going 'Up' to London. At first, confused I was, but soon came to treat it as a normal thing.
Obviously within Scotland trains heading for Edinburgh would be 'Up' trains but where I completely lose the plot is for trains travelling between, say, London and Edinburgh. Do they commence from London as 'Down' trains until they cross the border and then become 'Up' trains and vicky verker? :dunce:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 04, 2017, 08:42:46 PM
Just to advise, John, that in UK outline the outer oval is normally the 'Up' line and travels in a clockwise direction

Can't say I've ever heard of that convention before.  I've always just known them as inner and outer. 

For me, standing in front of a layout I'd probably think of the inner circuit as "up" because of my time at Dymchurch station on the RH&DR back in the 80s, where the "up" line to Hythe was the far side platform compared to the station building  :D  :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 04, 2017, 09:06:12 PM
I had it dinned into me by my Dad who worked on the railways that, despite living in Wolverton, Bucks., if I was heading south to London I was still going 'Up' to London. At first, confused I was, but soon came to treat it as a normal thing.
Obviously within Scotland trains heading for Edinburgh would be 'Up' trains but where I completely lose the plot is for trains travelling between, say, London and Edinburgh. Do they commence from London as 'Down' trains until they cross the border and then become 'Up' trains and vicky verker? :dunce:

To the best of my knowledge, here in Scotland up is still towards London.  On the E&G up is to Edinburgh, but if I recall correctly, Edinburgh to Carstairs is up.  The ECML is up to London.

I remember being told that the Midland's convention, them being Successful Northern Men, was that up was the direction of Derby.  I wonder if this is true...

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: dannyboy on November 04, 2017, 10:25:25 PM
I will have a slight incline on my layout, so some trains will go 'up' whilst others will go 'down', although most of the layout is flat.   :doh: :)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on November 05, 2017, 06:39:55 AM
I remember being told that the Midland's convention, them being Successful Northern Men, was that up was the direction of Derby.  I wonder if this is true...

Best wishes.

John
Correct.  St Pancras to Derby was UP.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 05, 2017, 09:39:55 AM
So it was correct - down to London.

Typical of the Midland!

Thank you very much for confirming this, Laurence.

A combination of my memory over many years and a possibly 'iffy' source made me wonder...

Thanks again and all good wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 05, 2017, 03:05:23 PM
Sunday Afternoon with Granville Bennett

Granville Bennett drove over to Darrowby today for Sunday luncheon with Siegfried Farnon and James Herriot.  They wanted to discuss plans for Saturday's trip on the Royal British Legion (Darrowby and Brawton Branch) special train.  Mrs Pumphrey, as patron of the excursion, had requested that the three gentlemen escort her and Triki-Woo.  After luncheon and having concluded their planning, the three gentlemen drove over to Brawton.  The drive was interesting as Granville was trying out a Jaguar motor car, his Bentley being in the garage for servicing.  Granville knew the Foreman of Locomotives at Brawton and, shortly after their arrival, the Foreman escorted the party to view the work being carried out to 'D11' 4-6-0 No. 5504 'Jutland' in preparation for working the special.  In addition to extensive cleaning and 'bulling', some mechanical work was being undertaken to ensure that the locomotive is in first-class fettle for Saturday.  Granville took a photograph which he later developed himself in an improvised dark room at Skeldale House.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-051117144303.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57762)

***

Of course we can now have the benefit of 21st Century technology to have another look at what was going on.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-051117144934.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57763)

Here is the 'D11' off its wheels for thorough cleaning of wheels, axles and axleboxes.  The bogie has been run out for the same treatment and for polishing the conductive surfaces of the copper bogie spring (the bogie is an important power pick-up in Union Mills' bogie locomotives).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-051117145311.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57764)

One must not forget the tender, which returns the current (the so-called 'American system'), and here it is on the wheel cleaning apparatus.  A touch of power and the wheels birl (Anglice: revolve quickly) happily, making cleaning the 'live' wheels very easy.  The traction tyres can be cleaned with a medium brush as well.

With all good wishes and thank you for looking.

Toodle-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 05, 2017, 06:19:53 PM
Hopefully the D11 will perform faultlessly woth the excusrsion in tow.
Hopefully there will be no emergencies of the veterinarian variety to distract Messrs Herriot and Farnon.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 05, 2017, 09:24:54 PM
Many thanks, Martin.

I have been informed that Tristan is on duty next Saturday, so the animals will be well-looked after.  He is doubly unhappy about this as Siegfried has banned him from the Drover's on Friday evening and he has heard from the porter at the station that the Special train will have one of the lovely LNER Buffet Cars in its formation.

Incidentally, Granville Bennett took another photograph today at Brawton:-
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-051117211651.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57785)

'J25' 0-6-0 No. 1988 heads a short goods train from Darrowby on to the down main line.

Isn't the 'J25' a lovely little locomotive?  She certainly has a good cab for the North Riding winters.

C Hamilton Ellis was a great enthusiast for the appearance of NER locomotives - looking at this one, I can understand why.  And, typical of Union Mills, she is a lovely runner.

Thanks again and all the very best.

John 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 06, 2017, 12:30:27 PM
And B&W photography certainly highlights the loco (and the carriages) really well.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 06, 2017, 07:56:19 PM
Loks very good indeedy John.
Hope the track parcel turns up soon.


The parcel arrived today; excitement ++!  Thank you to Traintrax.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-061117194723.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57820)

I'm at home tomorrow, as a glazier is attending to a broken window so I'll play with these lovely Kato
components.  I might even have a double-track main line by tomorrow afternoon.

Kato must be looking seriously at the European market as there was an interesting brochure, in English, enclosed with the parcel.  Given the style of the text, this does not look as if it was prepared by Kato USA.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-061117195328.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57821)

Thank you for looking.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 06, 2017, 08:01:33 PM
Kato have been active in the European market for many years, either directly or via Hobbytrain and Lemke.   I have Hobbytrain locos I bought in the 80s, still going strong. 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 07, 2017, 06:49:19 PM
An Up and Down Sort of Day.

Up and down main lines, that is.  With the Kato 'Unitrack' pieces having been delivered from Traintrax yesterday, today I was able to spend some time in the Train Set Room, acting as the P Way Dept.  Here is the result:-

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-071117182920.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57863)

The tracks are, from the front:

Branch line bay
Down Main line
Up Main line
Goods yard
Up Loop line
Up Main line
Down Main line
Down Loop line.

The trains stabled at the rear of the layout are a nicely mixed bunch: LMS, SR and LNER x 2:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-071117183232.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57864)

But what about the dear old Great Western?

There was another train, in the goods yard:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-071117183408.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57865)

I'll probably post some thoughts later on how closely this meets my 'Table-Top Railway' criteria, but, excluding all Branch line movements, five trains can be accommodated on the Table-Top Railway Mk III, provided one takes shocking liberties with prototypical goods yard operation.  As yard shunting was not one of my criteria, I am happy with this. 

Many thanks for viewing.

With best wishes.

Tickety-tonk.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 07, 2017, 07:10:18 PM
Great piccies John.
You clearly like your PO goods stock.
Can I ask.......is that branch line going to continue off to the right ?
Or is that the branch line going off left?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 07, 2017, 07:29:41 PM
Many thanks, Martin.

The plan is that the branch line will go to the left, with the run-round loop beyond the bridge (which is faked-up at present!).

The general idea is pinched from Alne (where the branch line was the wonderful Easingwold Railway) and Churston with the Brixham branch.

As for the PO stock, yes I like it very much.  It reminds me of the '0' gauge trains of the 1920s and 1930s which appear to have had a high proportion of very colourful PO wagons and vans.  They were used on the real railways at that time, of course, but maybe not quite such a preponderance.

With kindest regards.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 08, 2017, 09:22:11 PM
A Bracing Day

Armed with a good old-fashioned carpenter's brace and half-inch bit, I drilled holes below some of the Kato #6 points to drop the actuating wires through the baseboard.  This has tidied-up the station area.  Due to the massive baseboard supports, this is not an option for the loops' points or the goods yard point.  The wires for these can run in channels cut in the 'Sundeala' - I've done this before.  Perhaps the goods yard point can be hand-operated as per the prototype.  That'll save some wiring!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-081117211002.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57920)

A Johnson 'Bulldog', shunts back from the headshunt, unencumbered by the red/black cables which the S&T Dept has now routed below the points.  I think No. 66 is a lovely engine and it is always nice when she puts in an appearance.

All best wishes.

Pip-pip.

John

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Phoenix on November 08, 2017, 09:52:27 PM
Looks good John.

My layout isn't grown up enough for points  ;D

With Kind regards
Kevin
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 09, 2017, 09:19:47 AM
Many thanks, Kevin.

The Table-Top Railway Mk II is a 30" x 24" portable pointless layout.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-091117091146.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57921)

Mk I had points and was a bit bigger (39" x 24") - too big in fact, as it failed the all-important 'carry up the stairs and put into the car' portability tests and has now been dismantled.
Mk II was the next effort and, happily, passes both tests.  Then I started to enjoy British 'N' gauge far too much and Mk III was built on a fixed (very, very fixed!) baseboard originally intended for a H0/00 layout.  There is still 2m x 1m available for H0/00, but I have to admit that even this is now under review!

With best wishes.

John



Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on November 09, 2017, 06:21:36 PM
A very pointless railway :P. Looking forward to seeing how you develop it. After changes to mine I might attempt something similar as I'll have some spare track.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Milton Rail on November 09, 2017, 07:36:57 PM
Bit harsh to call it a pointless layout ........  :(
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: dannyboy on November 09, 2017, 07:39:11 PM
Bit harsh to call it a pointless layout ........  :(

There is just no point in making that comment  :)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 09, 2017, 07:39:34 PM
Hope it doesnít ďturn outĒ to be ďpointlessĒ  :D
See what I did there?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 09, 2017, 07:48:59 PM
Important Nets

The North Cornish fishing fleet needs nets, and where better to get them from nowadays [1/01/1923 - 31/12/1938] than from Messrs J & W Stuart of Musselburgh.  A private owner's van has been despatched from Musselburgh (not far from where these words are being written) to Port Perran, Penmayne, Cant Cove and Trepol Bay with a supply of dashed good 'Scotch Weave Nets' [no, not you Chris (Weave); you are safe in 'Ampsheere] which ought to see the brave fishermen through the winter.

To my surprise, the van passed through Guestwick today.  The LNER presumably routed it via the former Great Central and GWR to avoid the LMS getting a share of the rates.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-091117194257.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57946)

Disappointment on the Allington branch, though; one of these new-fangled diesel railcars today, instead of a proper train.

Thank you for looking.

Cheerie-bye.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 09, 2017, 07:52:53 PM
Hope it doesnít ďturn outĒ to be ďpointlessĒ  :D
See what I did there?

Did you 'switch' your words? :pint:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on November 09, 2017, 08:31:39 PM
There was a rumor that a bit of fishy business was going on at Withy Jct. but unfortunately there was no photographer on hand.  It hoped that the aroma won't spoil the fermenting of the latest batch of Sam's Cider. :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 09, 2017, 08:36:15 PM
Important Nets

The North Cornish fishing fleet needs nets, and where better to get them from nowadays [1/01/1923 - 31/12/1938] than from Messrs J & W Stuart of Musselburgh.  A private owner's van has been despatched from Musselburgh (not far from where these words are being written) to Port Perran, Penmayne, Cant Cove and Trepol Bay with a supply of dashed good 'Scotch Weave Nets' [no, not you Chris (Weave); you are safe in 'Ampsheere] which ought to see the brave fishermen through the winter.

To my surprise, the van passed through Guestwick today.  The LNER presumably routed it via the former Great Central and GWR to avoid the LMS getting a share of the rates.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-091117194257.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57946[/url])

Disappointment on the Allington branch, though; one of these new-fangled diesel railcars today, instead of a proper train.

Thank you for looking.

Cheerie-bye.

John

The harbourmaster at Trepol Bay is desperately hoping that the van from Messrs J&W Stuart arrives promptly.
Recent storms in the area have led to a shortage of nets amongst the local fishermen who have besieged the harbourmasterís office with requests for replacements.
Unfortunately news has been received in the control office at Truro that the van from Musselburgh has run a hot box at Newton Abbot and has been detatched from its train at Hackney Yard. Staff there are busy transferring the load of nets and ropes into a replacement wagon. It is hoped that the replacement can be attached to the down newspaper train (due through Newton at 3.18 am) where it will be worked on to Truro yard in time for the early morning pick up goods from Truro to Trepol Bay. If all goes to plan the replacement van should be worked down the incline to Trepol Bay harbour at roughly 10.30 am tomorrow. Several fishing boats are hoping to be re-equipped in time to depart on the afternoon high tide.
Fingers are crossed.

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 09, 2017, 11:09:57 PM
 :hellosign: Many thanks for the latest  :greatpicturessign: & updates all looking really excellent
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 10, 2017, 04:22:09 PM
Flasback to  ovember 1938 on Trepol Bay harbour and relief all around.
The wagonload of nets and rope has arrived from Musselburgh propelled down to the harbourmasterís office by a pannier in somewhat scruffy condition.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/230-101117161947.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57968)
Such a shame that the PO wagon of Messrs J&W Stuart got no further than Newton Abbot.
The harbourmaster (and local fishermen) are very impressed by the quality of the materials and by the setvice provided and will be signing an annual contract with the Musselburgh company.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 10, 2017, 09:42:51 PM
Flasback to  ovember 1938 on Trepol Bay harbour and relief all around.
The wagonload of nets and rope has arrived from Musselburgh propelled down to the harbourmasterís office by a pannier in somewhat scruffy condition.
Such a shame that the PO wagon of Messrs J&W Stuart got no further than Newton Abbot.
The harbourmaster (and local fishermen) are very impressed by the quality of the materials and by the setvice provided and will be signing an annual contract with the Musselburgh company.

The Directors of J & W Stuart are glad (and relieved, given the circumstances) that the harbourmaster and fishermen of Trepol Bay are impressed by the quality of the materials and service.  They are taking up the matter of the hot box at Newton with the LNER authorities in Edinburgh.  It appears that all was in order at all examinations conducted on the LNER.  Due to some 'operating difficulties' at York, it was routed via Northallerton, Brawton and Leeds.  The van received a particularly thorough inspection at Brawton and, fortuitously, the stationmaster at Brawton is obtaining a photograph taken by a member of the public to prove this.

Therefore, suspicion is falling on the GWR and Paddington is not happy.  Paddington is very busy at present with business connected to Messrs Marks & Spencer and copious amounts of marmalade, and does not particularly want to be looking into hot boxes at Newton.  However, Form Ones (Please Explain!) have been distributed.  The stationmaster at Guestwick, where the van was last examined, stated in his that all was fine there (and he, also, has a photograph to prove it [in colour as well - how very up-to-date]), but remarked the train arrived very early.  He suspects that 2242's driver was taking advantage of the 'Baby Castle's' superior performance compared to the 'Dean Goods' normally diagrammed to work the train and that led to the trouble.  In other words... blame the Loco Dept!

There will, no doubt, be some arguing to come.

In the meantime - Trepol Bay fish for tea!

Toodle-Pip

John


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 11, 2017, 08:35:42 AM
Photographic Evidence from Brawton

The Brawton stationmaster has provided this photograph, taken by a member of the public, that the J&W Stuart PO Van was correctly examined when working up to Leeds, and onwards to Trepol Bay.  The train was worked by 'J39' 0-6-0 No. 2726.

With best wishes.

John

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/57/6222-111117083323.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=57989)


Photograph courtesy Mr T Farnon, Darrowby, North Riding
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 11, 2017, 08:43:32 AM
So.....was it sabotage - did some competitor not want the nets of J&W Stuart to reach Trepol Bay ?
Seriously.......Iíll have to get a JW Stuart wagon now that a contract for the supply of nets from  ussrlburgh to Cornwall has been signed.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 11, 2017, 04:44:33 PM
Today's Special

I has been a beautiful sunny day here, and this encouraged Mr Bennett to attempt to take a colour photograph of the locomotive working the Darrowby and Brawton Royal British Legion Branches' special train to York.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-111117163136.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58004)
'D11' 4-4-0 No. 5504 'Jutland' on the up line at Brawton.


The train left Brawton at 1200, allowing members of both branches time at their respective War Memorials before a special working of the branch line train took the Darrowby party to Brawton, where they connected with the York Special.  Mrs Pumphrey, generous Patron of the Excursion, was escorted to Brawton by S Farnon Esq.  G Bennett Esq joined Mrs Pumphrey and Mr Farnon at Brawton.

Excellent running to York was reported and Mr Bennett had made arrangements to get his colour slides processed immediately on arrival.  The party was received by Regimental Officers and Civic Dignitaries in York before proceeding to Messrs Bettys for a Late Luncheon.  The return working is timetabled to leave York at 1800 and refreshments will be served in the buffet car, kindly included in the formation by the LNER's District Officers. 

[The 'D11' is the Table-Top Railway's War Memorial Locomotive.  It had mechanical checks and special cleaning during the past week for today's special train.  The Table-Top Railway likes well-polished locomotives; our idea of 'light weathering' is to use half of the normal amount of 'Mr Sheen'!]

Thank you for looking.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 11, 2017, 11:50:07 PM
 :hellosign: Many thanks John for the  :greatpicturessign: , updates & great story
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 12, 2017, 08:56:17 AM
Smashing picture and I love the little stories you add to bring things to life.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 12, 2017, 06:32:55 PM
Progress Hiding Wires

I know that the Table-Top Railway Mk III is a model railway, not a model of a railway, but up with some things we will not put.  The red/black Kato 'Unitrack' #6 turnout wires are a case in point.  The baseboard was intended for a H0/00 layout and there are big bits of timber below it.  Battleship-type construction (or 'HMS Surprise'-type, as it is wood).  So, we have hulking lumps of timber where some of the holes for the wires ought to be.  The very thing that novices are advised to think of when they build their first baseboard!  Clearly, I am a lifelong novice.

Before: 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-121117180655.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58043)

After:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-121117180836.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58044)

Where the wire could not drop through a half-inch hole below the turnout, I made a little channel to a convenient spot and then drilled the hole.  I did something similar on 'Sandrock', which has a solid baseboard top and my friend Davy the Joiner came round with his router and we made a lot of mess.  A very nice job, though.  Today, I used a Stanley knife and a small chisel.  Less mess; less neat.  But hidden!  A bit of card over the channel, held down by a couple of staples and that was it.  The joys of 'Sundeala' (but laid on top of 18mm MDF and aforesaid 'four by twos').  The Down Loops have a fair bit of surface-mounted wire between the channel and the hole.  I intend that this will be hidden behind some sort of back-scene.

I am bearing in mind that points can fail and need to be replaced.  In 1:148 this likely means replacing the whole turnout.

There are nine turnouts, including the one in the goods yard and they will be operated by five levers.  Which is the next-ish job.  But I'll need a couple of components from 'Traintrax' first.

Many thanks for looking.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 12, 2017, 06:45:25 PM
Looking very neat John.
I'm pleased that putting up with wiresscattered hare and  there is something with which you will not up put!
Keep up the good work.
Martin
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 12, 2017, 06:46:12 PM
Easy way to deal with wiring if there's a support batten underneath, is simply to drill the hole at 45 degrees so it comes out to one side or other of the batten.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: weave on November 12, 2017, 07:15:27 PM
Hi John,

I've never actually replied to your thread, except the 'thank you' button so just to say hi and all looking good and nice 'n' neat (too many ands).

Keep up the good work and looking forward to more.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 12, 2017, 07:29:16 PM
Easy way to deal with wiring if there's a support batten underneath, is simply to drill the hole at 45 degrees so it comes out to one side or other of the batten.

Many thanks, Nick.  A technique which I must admit to using!  However, the location of a couple of the battens in this instance is such that when the wire goes down the hole it is in a hidden trench below the surface of the baseboard.  That'll teach me!  Why on earth did I want an H0/00 layout?  I jolly well ought to have planned for 'N' gauge from the start.

Thanks again and best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 12, 2017, 07:47:30 PM
Looking very neat John.
I'm pleased that putting up with wiresscattered hare and  there is something with which you will not up put!
Keep up the good work.
Martin

Thank you very much, Martin.  Port Perran and Trepol Bay are a continuing inspiration.  Without them, I might have given up on British 'N' gauge when I encountered all the 'learning opportunities' with the Table-Top Railway Mk I.  Instead I carried on to the genuinely portable Mk II and then to Mk III, which I stand on from time to time.  As for the original 'H0/00' plans: ?.
Hi John,

I've never actually replied to your thread, except the 'thank you' button so just to say hi and all looking good and nice 'n' neat (too many ands).

Keep up the good work and looking forward to more.

Cheers weave  :beers:
Thank you so much, Chris (Weave) for the 'Thank You's - very encouraging.  And for saying 'Hi'.  And not too many ands at all.

Bloke owned a pub called the Pig and Whistle and got a signwriter to write the name above the door.  Signwriter does so and asks the bloke what he thinks.  "Not bad..." bloke says "... except that there is too big a gap between Pig and and and and and Whistle!"  Now, that's too many ands.  For these purposes the Oxford comma was introduced.
 :pint: Nice beer in the Pig and Whistle, though.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: dannyboy on November 12, 2017, 08:40:22 PM
Today, I used a Stanley knife and a small chisel.  I was always taught that you should use a mallet with a chisel. (Sorry  ;))

But I'll need a couple of components from 'Traintrax' first. Glad we have another Kato user. I can certainly recommend Keith at Train Trax.  :thumbsup:

Your method of hiding the wires is quite effective and once a bit of scenery is done, it will be invisible.


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on November 12, 2017, 08:54:37 PM
Neat solution. My track is laid on insulating foam so with a sharp knife I gouge cut out a trench put the wire in and cover it with some ready mixed filler. For larger excavations I use bits of newspaper stuck down with white glue to hide the Large Chicken :) up.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 13, 2017, 08:08:12 PM
Southern Steam

The Table-Top Railway Mk III has been LNER and GWR-inclined for the past few days.  Port Perran's super film, yesterday, of a 'T9' at Trepol Bay made the operating authorities think that it was time for some Southern...

(http://[url=http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-131117195646.jpeg]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-131117195646.jpeg[/url]) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58095)

'T9' 4-4-0 No. 304 on the Down Main Line at the East end of the 'Back Loops', probably in the Autumn of Coronation Year.  Soon Mr Bulleid will jazz up that lovely gentle green livery.

Locomotive by Union Mills, carriage by Dapol, and track and #6 turnouts by Kato.

The mellow 1930s lighting effect was a fortunate fluke, presumably caused by the proximity to a cream-painted wall.

Best wishes and thank you for looking.

Cheerio!

John

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: weave on November 13, 2017, 08:11:37 PM
Hi John,

Sorry, what am I looking at?  :confused1:

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 13, 2017, 08:12:07 PM
Hi John

Is it just me ......I canít see the picture!

Martin
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on November 13, 2017, 08:16:20 PM

Locomotive by Union Mills, carriage by Dapol, and track and #6 turnouts by Kato.


Picture by 'Ghost Hunt' :laugh3:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 13, 2017, 08:19:53 PM
Oh dear; I could see it in 'Preview' but something must have gone wrong afterwards.

I'm very sorry.  Thank you all for letting me know.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-131117201644.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58096)

Hopefully, it is above - I can see it in 'Preview' but I said that the last time!

Apologies again.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 13, 2017, 08:21:51 PM
Looks just like mine!
Smashing photo John.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 13, 2017, 09:05:22 PM
Thank you, Martin.  I'm relieved that the photograph was present and correct this time.
***

This little glitch had the side-effect of making me think a bit more about the Southern version of the layout.

The plan is for the junction station to be sufficiently generic in design to pass (well, sort of) for locations on all of the 'Big Four'.  The LNER locations were easy - Brawton (for Darrowby) and Flaxfield (for Arcady).  For the GWR, I fancied Guestwick (for Allington).  The Southern was easy, or so I thought.  The branch line would go to Sanditon and I would re-read Jane Austen's unfinished novel to find a name for the junction station.   But, of course, as all 'Jane-ites' know, Sanditon is in Sussex.  And Union Mills' Southern locomotives are all ex-LSWR.  Silly of me!  Time, I think, to move a bit further West.  And, maybe, just maybe, combine the GWR and Southern in one layout.

And... as for the LMS; I'm still thinking.

It's good to think.  :hmmm:

John       
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 13, 2017, 10:41:07 PM
 :hellosign: Super photo John, well worth the wait, thank you
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 14, 2017, 08:12:45 PM
Another Three-Quarters of an Inch Makes All the Difference

(16.5mm to be precise)


Today it was time to stop putting off investigating the bang and lurch that the Union Mills locomotives' tenders made crossing the facing points into the Down Loop.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-141117200646.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58128)

Only the Down Loop, never the Up Loop, and never a derailment.  And only on the straight road.  The diverging road, although it was, in effect, a double reverse curve was fine.  D9007 'Pinza' and the GWR railcars experienced no trouble.  Replacing the points made no difference.  Time to try the old trick, to prevent leading wheel derailments, of a straight between the end curve and the facing points.  I experimented: the 45.5mm straight gave perfect running but the 29mm straight was back to bang and lurch.  That 16.5mm (interesting co-incidence!) is clearly important.

All locomotives are now performing well at the turnout and the layout is 45.5mm longer!  As to why: I have a theory but no proof.

With best wishes and thank you for looking.

John


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 14, 2017, 10:51:29 PM
 :hellosign: good news John, goes to show in this case bigger is better  :thumbsup:
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 15, 2017, 08:33:46 PM
Time for Some Crimson Lake

Here, demonstrating the additional 45.5mm track piece, which gives much better running through the facing points, is LMS '2P' 4-4-0 No. 443 on a short Down stopping passenger train.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-151117202252.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58204)

Incidentally, the 'Unijoiners' are fully 'clicked' home, but the track piece is showing a very slight gap at each end.  Also, the rail joints are slightly high which sometimes happens with 'Unitrack' and especially, in my experience, when one uses the shorter track pieces.  This can be dealt with...

Many thanks for looking.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 15, 2017, 08:50:01 PM
.. the rail joints are slightly high which sometimes happens with 'Unitrack' and especially, in my experience, when one uses the shorter track pieces.

Yes, something I've noticed with my small collection of Unitrack, and seems to be a slight drawback in what is otherwise a decent track system. I've always assumed it would be improved by screwing the track down, but as I only use my Unitrack for temporary test ovals that's not likely to happen.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 17, 2017, 06:48:51 PM
Down at the Station Today

What-ho, Chums,

Although I probably ought to have been doing other things, I popped down to the station earlier today to see if anything interesting was happening.  This goods train came though on the Down line:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-171117182728.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58256)
 
I was fascinated by the first van in the train which looked to be ex-works.  Fortunately for me the train was stopped at the signal approaching the Down Goods Loop at which point the 'Toad' was opposite me.  The guard is well-known in these parts and always goes by the name of 'Grenadier' (I've never met anyone who knows his real name!).  Knowing that there wasn't a train due on the branch line, I walked over and asked Grenadier about the lovely green van.  I told me that he had admired it as well and that it was headed for a firm in Somersetshire called Sam's Cider.  I asked where it came from and he said somewhere to the south-east.  At that point the train got the road and I was not able to find out more.
The train locomotive was 2537, a regular hereabouts.  Old Bill Dean is her regular driver and he keeps her looking splendid.  She proudly retains 'Great Western' on her tender when many locomotives are starting to appear with the new GWR monogram. 

Many thanks for looking and all best wishes.

And special thanks to Chris (IP) for the van.

Toodle-oo,

John

   
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 17, 2017, 07:05:43 PM
Hi John
Lovely photo. I cannot quite replicate as my own Dean Goods is black.
Strange that Samís Cider vans appear here from time to time.
Martin
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 17, 2017, 07:17:29 PM

Did B12s ever run in Germany?   :D  :D  :D
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/5885-171117191617.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58257)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 17, 2017, 07:32:33 PM

Did B12s ever run in Germany?
Yes, I can assure you that they did.  I have seen an absolutely lovely photograph of No. 1565 showing our good German friends what a proper engine looks like.  Just as well that the B12/3 was Westinghouse-fitted as I don't know what the ever-efficient Germans would have made of our vacuum brakes.  At least we can blame the Midland for that!

Thank you very much for posting the photograph.  [Rods down as well - I really ought to pay more attention to this!]

Union Mills for Ever!

All the best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 17, 2017, 07:54:06 PM
Time for Some Crimson Lake

Here, demonstrating the additional 45.5mm track piece, which gives much better running through the facing points, is LMS '2P' 4-4-0 No. 443 on a short Down stopping passenger train.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-151117202252.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58204[/url])

Incidentally, the 'Unijoiners' are fully 'clicked' home, but the track piece is showing a very slight gap at each end.  Also, the rail joints are slightly high which sometimes happens with 'Unitrack' and especially, in my experience, when one uses the shorter track pieces.  This can be dealt with...

Many thanks for looking.

Best wishes.

John

That Crimson Lake 2P looks really good. Can I justify one in West Cornwall?
Special train perhaps?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 17, 2017, 07:55:01 PM
Yes, I can assure you that they did. 


Well well well!  I was only joking, but I've just found an online article about the restoration of 8572 at Kloster Mansfeld in 1994.  My flabber is well and truly gasted!   :claphappy:

http://www.wandering1500.co.uk/pages/b12history.html (http://www.wandering1500.co.uk/pages/b12history.html)

Here she is in Germany!
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Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 17, 2017, 08:02:10 PM
 :laughabovepost: :beers: :thankyousign:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on November 17, 2017, 08:25:08 PM
Hi John
Lovely photo. I cannot quite replicate as my own Dean Goods is black.
Strange that Samís Cider vans appear here from time to time.
Martin

They come this way too, occasionally. :)
The Dean looks a lovely loco. Don't tempt me!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 18, 2017, 04:03:37 PM
That Crimson Lake 2P looks really good. Can I justify one in West Cornwall?
Special train perhaps?


Thank you, Martin.  A special train is a splendid idea.  And, in your time period, you could use that wonderfully helpful explanation of 'Purchased Privately for Preservation' that I recall from my 'Observer's Book of British Railway Locomotives'.

Maybe something like this would be agreeable...

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Would they not be a stunning combination taking a special train through Port Perran and on to Trepol Bay?  'Prince of Wales' No. 5604 'Enchantress' is the joint pride of the line here at the Table-Top Railway.

With all good wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 18, 2017, 09:03:44 PM
A North British Locomotive Company Locomotive

Although the Table-Top Railway normally exists in the classic Bertie Wooster-ish era of 1 January 1923 to Hogmanay 1938, we occasionally turn the big blue lever on our trusty Time Machine and venture into modern times.  1961 appears to be as modern as the Time Machine is willing to go, possibly for good reasons.  Just for fun, we moved the big blue lever as far as it would go earlier today:-

 
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Here is D6326, newly arrived on the layout (another welcome windfall and a desire to try a modern Dapol locomotive).  And a little later with D9007 'Pinza' passing on the Down line:


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It's too early to comment on the NBL's performance as yet.

So, an anecdote instead.  My late father-in-law was an engineman at Inverness.  He encountered the diesel-electric version of the NBLs (D6326 is a diesel-hydraulic built for the Western Region) which worked on to the ex-Highland lines from the former GNoSR routes.  His thoughts on the NBLs were, "Very comfortable cabs, which was useful as we used to spend a lot of time sitting in them waiting to be rescued!"  He had views on many other classes, steam and diesel which I can pass on another time, if anyone is interested.

Many thanks for looking and all good wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on November 18, 2017, 09:13:47 PM
He had views on many other classes, steam and diesel which I can pass on another time, if anyone is interested.


Always interesting to hear reviews from the end user of the 12" to the foot version, John :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: AlexanderJesse on November 18, 2017, 09:27:05 PM
So, an anecdote instead.  My late father-in-law was an engineman at Inverness.  He encountered the diesel-electric version of the NBLs (D6326 is a diesel-hydraulic built for the Western Region) which worked on to the ex-Highland lines from the former GNoSR routes.  His thoughts on the NBLs were, "Very comfortable cabs, which was useful as we used to spend a lot of time sitting in them waiting to be rescued!"  He had views on many other classes, steam and diesel which I can pass on another time, if anyone is interested.

Let us hear those stories. It is very important knowledge about times gone by, and when the last engine man is gone... they would be lost if no one has written them down.

Maybe accompany the stories with pictures of the engines or locations.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 19, 2017, 07:33:08 PM
That Crimson Lake 2P looks really good. Can I justify one in West Cornwall?
Special train perhaps?


Thank you, Martin.  A special train is a splendid idea.  And, in your time period, you could use that wonderfully helpful explanation of 'Purchased Privately for Preservation' that I recall from my 'Observer's Book of British Railway Locomotives'.

Maybe something like this would be agreeable...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-181117155908.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58279[/url])

Would they not be a stunning combination taking a special train through Port Perran and on to Trepol Bay?  'Prince of Wales' No. 5604 'Enchantress' is the joint pride of the line here at the Table-Top Railway.

With all good wishes.

John

Quite tempting !
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 19, 2017, 07:35:43 PM
I really like the little Class 22s John.
Splendid models.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 19, 2017, 08:08:01 PM
Having been doing academic work since Friday (and will be continuing tomorrow). I relaxed by enjoying your thread from the very beginning, John. I'm very glad that the "Sam's Cider" van safely arrived. It was all handpainted and this type of (old Graham Farish but with new wheels) van in this livery is my absolute favourite. "Sam's Cider" is handcrafted in Somerset (Mito's layout) but, such is its fame among cider connoisseurs, that it is regularly enjoyed not only in Cornwall and across the U.K. but also on the Continent (shipped in specially painted BD containers -- Chris (Weave)).

Photographic evidence shows that the recent events at Trevelver Castle had the unfortunate side-effect of sending a very travel-worn BR Pallet Van back before its time to convey urgently required Scottish fishing nets. Penmayne Harbour does not often see any fishing vessels put in, these days, so was not in urgent needs of any fishing nets. The fishing fleet calls at Trepol Bay, instead, which it finds far more convivial as a true working port. Penmayne Harbour tends to cater for what the locals term 'floating gin palaces'. However, the locals are always happy to take the boats' owners' and guests' money! First Class train ticket sales are also on the up whilst crew arrive Second Class.

Somerset is a good location to site a railway junction where GWR, LMSR, and SR trains could all be plausibly seen, John. (As Brian -- Mito -- knows.)

I agree with Martin, the Dapol Class 22 locos. are lovely models. Very glad to see that one has arrived to join Mr. Bulleid's coaches. I'm embarrassed to admit that I have 6; however, 2 are BR Blue 'bargains', but in the D63xx series. The other 4 are in various BR Green liveries as carried by these locos. in North Cornwall. Although, in mundane 'real life', they never worked trains of BR Crimson & Cream Bulleid coaches, they do look very attractive together. Fortunately, in our 'Alternative Cornwall', the CLPG has several preserved sets in this livery: a 2R at Trepol Bay and a 3L at Penmayne. Given some sunny weather, an NB Type 2 may well be turned out to give the 3L Set a pre-Christmas run. Perhaps another will work a train of local PO goods stock, too? My second favourite (of my liveries) are the same type of van in the orange colour of the "North Cornwall Pasty Co." of Penmayne.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 19, 2017, 09:04:55 PM
Many thanks for your kind words, Chris.  I'm not sure how relaxing reading of my efforts in British 'N' gauge would be.  It has all been a bit hit and miss - on occasion, mostly miss.  However, I have learned what works for me and what probably doesn't.  I intend, in the near future, posting a summary of where I have got to and how far I think I have drifted from my original aims.  And, maybe, include some plans for further developments.

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In the meantime, the Southern has taken over the Sam's Cider van from the GWR.  It's seen passing on the Down line, hauled by 'T9' 4-4-0 No. 301.  Mr Bulleid has attended to her livery, but at least the lettering remains in the traditional style.  Later, of course, this will change as well.

With all good wishes.

John




Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 22, 2017, 10:18:11 PM
Some Thoughts on an NBL

NBL 'Type 2' D6326 has now run-in nicely. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-221117221326.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58447)

My second failed attempt at British 'N' gauge, just over 10 years ago, included a not-too-successful encounter with a Dapol 'Electro-Diesel'.  Following the success of the Graham Farish 'Deltic' D9007 'Pinza', I thought it might be a good idea to try a modern Dapol locomotive.

D9007 weighs 3.5oz and D6326 weighs 2.5oz, which is fair enough for a little B-B locomotive.  The 'ED' was very light, which maybe partly accounts for its poor running.  I must get it down from the loft and try it again!

After the recommended oiling and running-in period, D6326 was put on light passenger duties and it has performed admirably.  It is certainly as smooth-running and quiet as the 'Deltic'; maybe slightly more so.

The NBL is nicely-finished and appears to be well-made.

A success?  Yes.

Would I be willing to try another Dapol diesel locomotive? Yes.

I think that the 1961 version of the Table-Top Railway might develop a bit further.  And, of course, some of the Grouping locomotives (and the gorgeous LNWR 'Prince of Wales' 4-6-0 No. 86 'Mark Twain') can appear in 1961 as locomotives 'Purchased Privately for Preservation'.  Best of both worlds!

Many thanks for looking.

Best wishes.

John

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 23, 2017, 07:51:32 PM
Introducing The Cat Controller   :hellosign:

There has been a vacancy for The Cat Controller in the Train Set Room since dear old Panda Puss died in July, a few days after her 17th birthday.  Arriving just after Remembrance Sunday, the new Cat Controller is Poppy, who is six years old and came from a local cat rescue charity.
Poppy quickly found the Train Set Room and established a little office for herself under the workbench.  She also enjoys being on top of the baseboards has made some pithy observations about the Up loop entry turnout, of which more later.
 
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Thank you for looking and Best Wishes from

Poppy and John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on November 23, 2017, 08:03:21 PM
 :heart2: :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 23, 2017, 08:06:40 PM
:heart2: :beers:

Poppy says, " :thankyousign:, Steve and  :hellosign: to Kato!"

P & J
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on November 23, 2017, 08:41:58 PM
Hookey says 'Hi' to Poppy and any other forum cats

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Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 23, 2017, 09:09:03 PM
It's a hard life; the pressure's tremendous!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 24, 2017, 07:32:56 PM
We Tried to Blame the Midland and then Ended up 29mm Longer.

Derailments are few on the Table-Top Railway, but we had one on Wednesday.  We were in GWR operation and a through goods train from the LMS (sorry freight train) worked by '3F' 0-6-0 No. 3214 ended up with all the locomotive wheels on the ballast at the Up Loop entry points.  The points were correctly set for the diverging road into the loop and the signalman is being spoken gently to.  Not his fault.  We previously had a similar problem, which affected almost all steam locomotives at the Down Loop entry points; when set for the straight road the tenders gave a bang and a lurch.  No fun for the fireman.

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[The Up Loop entry points shewn.]

The Up loop entry points had hitherto been fine, so all concerned simply blamed the Midland.  Fair enough!  The LMS driver is well-liked and no-one down the GWR Staff Association thought it was his fault.  But Higher Authority (is there any higher authority than the crew enjoying foaming ale and dominoes in the Association?  [I wonder if the Port Perran chaps in Harry's Bar have heard about it yet?]) in the form of Poppy Puss, the Cat Controller, thought a more scientific investigation was required.  The two senior drivers, old Bill Dean and Geoff Duke were invited to have a fast run over the Up Loop entry points with their 'own' engines, 'Dean Goods' No. 2537 and 'Dukedog' No. 3204 respectively.  Both runs were fine.  It was agreed to do another couple of runs to prove the point (sorry...) and then the Midland could be blamed in a properly scientific way.

Driver Duke had another fast run with his locomotive's coupling rods whirring round in a blur.  The signalman reported later in the Association that he had barely time to acknowledge 'Train Entering Section' than he was sending 'Train Out of Section'.  Old Bill was non-plussed to learn that 'his' lovingly-cared for 'Number 37' was on shed and he was having another 'Dean Goods', recently out of Swindon, No. 2576; you know the one - it has the recently-introduced GWR roundel on its tender.  It's a good engine but has not received Bill's 'bulling' of the brass-work.  Bill worked No. 2576 up to a good speed with its train of vans and told his young fireman to hang on tight before the Up Loop entry points as he didn't trust any engine other than his own.  Lurch!  Bang!  The tender stayed on the rails, but only just and the signalbox coal supply will last until February.  When the train was safely stopped in the loop, Old Bill puffed gently on his pipe as the fireman drunk 'tea with ten sugars' to restore his nerves.

Further tests were ordered and the other railways kindly provided locomotives.  The final result was no further derailment but four other locomotives encountered dangerously rough running, either locomotive or tender, over the points (2 LNER, 1 LMS and 1 S&D Jt Rly; no Southern locomotives encountered any difficulty and Mr Maunsell is believed to have enjoyed this fortunate situation). 

The Chief Civil Engineer, whilst no doubt muttering about "the blooming Loco Dept", relayed the Up Loop entry points and the Down Loop exit points to have an additional 29mm straight track piece before the East Curve.  Running over the points, according to the Cat Controller, is now "purrfect."

It just goes to show the value of prolonged testing of track with all the locomotives and rolling stock that will use it.

If you have managed to get this far; many thanks for reading and all good wishes.

Toodle-pip.

John     
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 24, 2017, 08:18:21 PM
Word has indeed reached Harryís Bar, now that it is back to its normal functionality, the dignitaries who took over the premises earlier in the week having now departed.
Tommy Hawksworth, an old driver with 40 years experience has been busy relating yarns of similar happenings at Penwinnick Junction many moons ago.

Hopefully the trackwork ďUp NorffĒ is now back to normal!

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 24, 2017, 08:28:33 PM
The driver and secondman of D6326, drinking off-duty in the BRSA (WR) branch at Port Perran, as they live locally, were rather concerned about this news on the railway grapevine having been informed by the Wadebridge Yardmaster that they were to take a special goods of recently overhauled stock from Cant Cove to this very yard.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on November 26, 2017, 01:30:26 PM
 :hellosign: Many thanks John, a very entertaining TAIL, glad all is now well on the up loop entry
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Skyline2uk on November 26, 2017, 08:52:31 PM
Hookey says 'Hi' to Poppy and any other forum cats

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Crumble (smaller one in a pile asleep) and Nimitz (big bruiser, asleep sitting up) would also like to say hello to Poppy, Hookey and the other Forum Kitties.

My two are banned from the railway room. Seems harsh but if you saw what they did to less delicate things than N gauge locos...

Skyline2uk
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Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 27, 2017, 03:42:45 PM
The Midland said, 'Told You So!'

Word has indeed reached Harryís Bar, now that it is back to its normal functionality, the dignitaries who took over the premises earlier in the week having now departed.
Tommy Hawksworth, an old driver with 40 years experience has been busy relating yarns of similar happenings at Penwinnick Junction many moons ago.
Hopefully the trackwork ďUp NorffĒ is now back to normal!


Yes, thank you, Martin, it is.  We are having a LMS day today.  The ex-Midland Railway chaps have been saying it was no wonder that the magnificent '3F' ended up on the ballast as some silly so-and-so had put facing points on a main line.  The grand old Midland avoided facing points wherever possible.  They are assuming that the P Way engineer must be a 'North Western' man.

The Chief Civil Engineer's decision to use a 29mm track piece between the East Curve and the Up Loop points appears to have been a good one and train services are 'back to normal'.

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[An ex-LNWR 'G2' 0-8-0 No. 9423 (that'll annoy the ex-Midland chaps!) works an Up freight train over the Up Loop points.  More fishing nets for Trepol Bay and a SR banana van returning home 'MT'.]

In a separate development, the S&T Department has arranged for the points on the layout to be electrically-worked from a lever frame adjacent to the 'Gaugemaster' controllers.  Yes, controllers: the goods yard now has its own power feed to the headshunt, allowing yard shunting to take place independently from the Up Main line control if required.  The yard has a fairly new 'Combi' whilst the main lines are controlled by the trusty old 'Series D'.

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Thank you for looking and best wishes.

John






Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 27, 2017, 03:58:25 PM
The fishermen of Trepol Bay will be very pleased with a further supply of nets and ropes.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 27, 2017, 06:26:38 PM
Thank you, John, for the latest excellent photo. and update. I see that another PO van conveying more fishing nets for Trepol Bay is en route.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 27, 2017, 10:11:08 PM
Pottering Around at the Station

I was fortunate to have some free time this afternoon and spent it down at the station.  The Down line was quiet, but I saw two passenger trains on the Up line.  Both stopped in the station and I was able to take advantage of their slow speed on departure to secure colour photographs.
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[LMS '2P' 4-4-0 No. 443]

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[LMS 'Prince of Wales' 4-6-0 No. 86 'Mark Twain', still in glorious LNWR 'Blackberry Black' livery]

* Locomotives by Union Mills, passenger carriages by Graham Farish and goods rolling stock by Peco.

** I have posted several times on this thread about the eccentric thing which I am attempting to create - the kind of train set I would have loved when I was 10 years old or thereabouts, combined with a hint of a 1920's/1930's 'Bertie Wooster's train set'.  I feel that I have a long way to go to achieve my aim, but these photographs encourage me.  As do the electrically-operated points!  I never had these as a boy. 

Thank you for looking and all good wishes.

Toodle-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 27, 2017, 10:17:28 PM
Oh no !
One of those red locos again.

Temptation once more. They do look good.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 28, 2017, 07:39:48 PM
Oh no !
One of those red locos again.

Temptation once more. They do look good.


Thank you, Martin.  Yes, even my photography 'non-skills' cannot disguise the lovely Union Mills interpretation of Crimson Lake.  But they are not all Crimson Lake on the LMS.  Sir Josiah, later Lord, Stamp came along with his American ways and we got a lot of black locomotives, common user diagrams and (horror!) freight trains.  By way of proof, I looked in at the station today after taking Poppy to the vet for a check-up (she is tickety-boo - but one worries with rescue cats) and managed another colour photograph, this time on the Down line.
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[LMS '2P' 4-4-0 No. 672 gets underway after a station stop.]

I had a notion to turn the Big Blue Lever on my time machine back to 1927 to see a bit more colour, but Poppy got there first and somehow managed to get the lever beyond the 'latest year' of 1961 (that's cats for you)...
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[Electro-Diesel No. E6003 has failed in the Up platform.  NBL 'Type 2' No. D6326 prepares to come to the rescue (Blimey! - Imagine being rescued by a NBL!)]

* The 'ED' is an old Dapol model and is a shocker.  It (and a couple of other horrors) effectively caused me to move to US-outline 'N' scale for a decade after I saw a Kato 'F-Unit'.  The 'ED' was very noisy, ran badly, weighed only 1.5oz (the NBL weighs 2.75oz) and wouldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding.  I rescued it from the loft and gave it some lubrication.  Then I tried it on the Table-Top Railway Mk III and it was ... exactly as before!  Dapol has come a long way in 10 years.

Does anyone want a very pretty but completely useless 'ED'?

Many thanks for looking.

All good wishes.

John and Poppy


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 28, 2017, 07:47:20 PM
I've always liked the Class 73s in the original BR Green livery and would be happy to give it a home, John. However, they never reached Exeter let alone North Cornwall. I expect the addition of some lead sheet weights would greatly improve its haulage capabilities. If I ever get a 4TC, the 73 could haul it on diesel power! (It would very probably overheat.)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 28, 2017, 07:56:52 PM
I always rather liked the 2Ps. Growing up only 7 miles or so from the S&D I certainly saw some when I was small.
Hope Poppy is enjoying playing with  the time machine.
Weíre stuck in the early 60s here for a while as our two pets (Capel & Dewi) , who normally operate our time machine, will be fast asleep now till March.
Capel & Dewi - now where did those names come from?

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 28, 2017, 08:23:00 PM
That really is a fine fleet of locos., John. As you like LMS locos., watch out for a pre-Christmas LMR special from Sheffield and Leeds. Meanwhile, at Cant Cove, the TARDIS has made a VERY short time hop . . .
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: joe cassidy on November 28, 2017, 08:33:57 PM
John (Train Waiting), I suggest you take a look at the layout topic "Frankland" by Southern Boy on this forum.

It's a Southern Railway layout topic, but with Union Mills locos and in the same Bertie Wooster style that you aspire to.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 28, 2017, 09:03:11 PM
Many thanks, Joe.

I have found 'Frankland' - it's really from before I joined the Forum and a great shame that the pictures have been lost.

I'll enjoy reading the text, though.  I think the modelling must have been much, much better than what I aspire to - it appears to be a model of a railway rather than a train set-type layout.

Thanks again, Joe, and all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 28, 2017, 09:42:41 PM
It was indeed, superb. Alas, not only the photos. have gone but, if I remember correctly the layout, too, as a replacement layout was planned.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 30, 2017, 02:45:13 PM
Jeeves to the Rescue - Part 1

30 November 1937, mid afternoon.  Bertie Wooster returns home having lunched well, but not wisely, at the Drones Club.

Bertie Wooster (BW): "What-ho, Jeeves!"

Mr Jeeves (J): "Good afternoon, Sir."

BW: "A jolly awful thing happened on the Train Set last evening when you were on your night off, Jeeves."

J: "I'm indeed sorry to hear that, Sir."

BW: "Do you remember that, in order to stop goods engines derailing on the diverging road of the Up Loop points, I installed a 29 mm track piece between the East Curve and the points?"

J: " I do indeed recall this, Sir, and, although it was not a course of action that I should, myself, recommend, I was heartened to be given to understand that it had been successful."

BW: "That's just the thing, Jeeves.  It was successful for the goods engines and the diverging road, but now the blasted bogie passenger engines are derailing on the straight road."

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-301117142312.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58747)
[Yesterday's solutions are today's problems.  'B12' 4-6-0 No. 1545 with its bogie wheels derailed on the straight road of the Up Loop entry points.]

J: "How very disconcerting, Sir."

BW: "More than dashed disconcerting, Jeeves; we have Gussie Fink-Nottle and Stinker Pinker coming round this evening and they'll want to play with the trains."

J: "I should expect so, Sir."

BW: "The thing is, Jeeves, I should be jolly obliged if you would fix the problem with the Up Loop so that the chaps don't see it all discombubulated.  You're awfully good at this sort of thing."

J: "Kindly leave it with me while you have your afternoon nap, Sir: I'll see what can be arranged."



Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 30, 2017, 04:39:41 PM
I jolly well hope that Jeeves knows what heís doing.
But of course, he is always correct.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on November 30, 2017, 05:53:23 PM
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-281117192115.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58667[/url])
[Electro-Diesel No. E6003 has failed in the Up platform.  NBL 'Type 2' No. D6326 prepares to come to the rescue (Blimey! - Imagine being rescued by a NBL!)]

* The 'ED' is an old Dapol model and is a shocker.  Does anyone want a very pretty but completely useless 'ED'?


That's a lovely looking 73!  I have a bunch of original Dapol 73's that I only paid a pittance for as spare parts - they're all running now!   I'd certainly give it a good home and sort it out, but I'm sure that's all arranged by now?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 30, 2017, 06:17:47 PM
[Electro-Diesel No. E6003 has failed in the Up platform.  NBL 'Type 2' No. D6326 prepares to come to the rescue (Blimey! - Imagine being rescued by a NBL!)]

* The 'ED' is an old Dapol model and is a shocker.  Does anyone want a very pretty but completely useless 'ED'?

That's a lovely looking 73!  I have a bunch of original Dapol 73's that I only paid a pittance for as spare parts - they're all running now!   I'd certainly give it a good home and sort it out, but I'm sure that's all arranged by now?

Hello Nick

Many thanks for your kind offer.  Yes, a good home has been offered to this spectacularly lame duck.  It's good to know that you are able to tune these models up.  Looking back, I ought to have returned it, but I was distracted by a Union Pacific Kato model at the critical moment!

Thanks again and all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 30, 2017, 07:59:54 PM
Jeeves to the Rescue - Part 2

30 November 1937, early evening.  Bertie Wooster wakes from a long afternoon nap, followed by a restorative bath, to find trains zooming round the Table-Top Railway at thoroughly unprototypical speeds.

Bertie Wooster (BW): "Splendid, Jeeves, splendid!"

Mr Jeeves (J): "Thank you, Sir."

BW: "How did you do it, Jeeves?"

J: "I ventured to imagine, Sir, that the 45.5mm track piece that we found efficacious where the West Curve meets the Down Loop points might work as well for the East Curve and Up Loop points."

BW: "Ah; 45.5mm track pieces, but, Jeeves, the layout looks a tad shorter than before.  If you used the 45.5mm track pieces, it would surely be longer."

J: "The thought occurred to me, Sir, that railway modellers often use symmetrical formations on what, I believe, are commonly called 'fiddle yards'...

BW: "... Fiddlesticks to fiddleyards, Jeeves, I think these are a waste of modelling space!"

J: "I concur, Sir, but our 'back loops' were laid with the 'fiddle yard' influence in our minds."

BW: "I suppose so, Jeeves - what wizard wheeze did you employ?"

J: "Thank you for permitting me to continue, Sir.  I ventured to try an asymmetrical arrangement, so that each facing point had a 45.5 mm track piece preceding it, in the normal direction of travel.  A benefit of this approach was that we were able to discard the 29mm track pieces."

BW: "I say Jeeves!  An absolutely spiffing idea.  And are the drinks ready for Gussy Fink-Nottle and Stinker Pinker who will be here directly?"

J: "Thank you, Sir, and yes, Sir."


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-301117200231.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58754)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-301117200312.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58755)

[Asymetrical arrangement, East end, first photograph, and West end, second photograph.  How I ought to have done this in the first instance!  Running now much better and further testing about to commence.  The cardboard (from the MRJ envelope !) hides the now rather messy channels for the operating wires.]
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 30, 2017, 08:09:51 PM
Brilliant.
Great fun.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on November 30, 2017, 08:13:12 PM
Brilliant.
Great fun.

Thank you, Martin, and two pictures of 'Enchantress' - a big red engine - to tempt you further.

 :sorrysign:

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on November 30, 2017, 08:23:26 PM
GFN - ďI say Bertie, how fast will that jolly little red engine go?Ē
SP - ďGo on Gussy. Twist  that knob as far as itíll goĒ
J - ďWith the greatest of respect Sir. I would advise against thatĒ
BW - ďOh donít be such a bore Jeeves....what possible harm can he do?Ē

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on December 01, 2017, 06:47:49 AM
GFN - ďI say Bertie, how fast will that jolly little red engine go?Ē
SP - ďGo on Gussy. Twist  that knob as far as itíll goĒ
J - ďWith the greatest of respect Sir. I would advise against thatĒ
BW - ďOh donít be such a bore Jeeves....what possible harm can he do?Ē
Oh dear!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 01, 2017, 08:58:27 AM
GFN - ďI say Bertie, how fast will that jolly little red engine go?Ē
SP - ďGo on Gussy. Twist  that knob as far as itíll goĒ
J - ďWith the greatest of respect Sir. I would advise against thatĒ
BW - ďOh donít be such a bore Jeeves....what possible harm can he do?Ē
Oh dear!

Thank you, gentlemen.

The chaps made a very good point.

My track testing routine and, sorry, this might horrify you, is to run each train several times over the formation at twice normal maximum operating speed (you ought to see the 'Dukedogs'' outside cranks twirling!) and then several times at normal maximum operating speed but in reverse!

If the trains can cope with that, I think that normal running ought to be satisfactory.  And as Laurence and I were discussing on his invaluable thread, a good thrash helps the running quality of many mechanical things - a bonus!

Thanks again and best wishes.

John

PS No business commitments today, so Poppy and I will have lots of train set time...yippee!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on December 01, 2017, 11:29:42 AM
And as Laurence and I were discussing on his invaluable thread, a good thrash helps the running quality of many mechanical things

John Cleese certainly seems to think so.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 01, 2017, 07:32:22 PM
And as Laurence and I were discussing on his invaluable thread, a good thrash helps the running quality of many mechanical things

John Cleese certainly seems to think so.

 :laughabovepost:
Duck's off!

John

PS When we were students a friend of mine had a motor car just like the one Basil attempted to thrash.  Me, I had a Velocette.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on December 01, 2017, 07:56:07 PM
PS When we were students a friend of mine had a motor car just like the one Basil attempted to thrash.  Me, I had a Velocette.
Presumably, with a fish-tail exhaust.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 02, 2017, 10:22:50 AM
A Rescue Mission

I drove over to the 'Back Loops' this morning to visit the signalman and, hopefully, see a train running over the recently-relaid Up Loop points.  There was only one train scheduled but it was an interesting one: Electro-Diesel No. E6003 being hauled dead by NBL 'Type 2' No. D6326.  The signalman told me that the failed 'ED' was heading to the Southern Region where, presumably, they'll know what to do with it.
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-021217101045.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58807)
[D6326 rescues E6003.  2 December 1961]

* This time travel is a strange thing.  In 1937 I had a lovely cream Jaguar motor car.  In 1961 I appear to have a Morris Minor in lilac!

**

PS When we were students a friend of mine had a motor car just like the one Basil attempted to thrash.  Me, I had a Velocette.
Presumably, with a fish-tail exhaust.
[/quote]
Yes, thank you; it made a lovely sound.  I wonder if the 1961 me can exchange the Morris for a 'N' gauge Velo...

Thank you for looking.

Best Wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 02, 2017, 09:37:51 PM
Jeeves to the Rescue - Part 3

2 December 1937, late afternoon.  Bertie Wooster has idled away some of the day playing with his train set.

Bertie Wooster (BW): "I say, Jeeves, your asymmetrical loops with a 45.5mm track piece between the end curves and the facing points giving entry to the loops has been successful.  There have been no further derailments at the Up Loop points."

Mr Jeeves (J): "I'm glad to hear it, Sir."  "Although I should venture to remark that, when I was attending to our ironing in the adjacent room, I heard a distinct click each time a bogie passenger locomotive traversed these points."

BW: "I heard it too, Jeeves, but main line trains often make a noise as they go over points."

J: "They do indeed, Sir, but I fancy that the click on our train set suggests that the problem is not resolved to my complete satisfaction.  With your permission, Sir, I should like to attempt a small modification to the Up Loop points this evening when you are out with Mr Little and Mr Glossop."

BW: "As you wish, Jeeves."

Jeeves had observed that the Kato #6 points do not have what is commonly called a 'joggle' in the stock rails and had deduced that the clicking (and, possibly, the previous derailments) were due to the bogie wheel flanges striking the switch blade.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-021217212307.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58846)
[A Kato #6 turnout (top) and a Peco 'Setrack' turnout (bottom) showing the planed stock rail on the Peco point giving the effect of a joggle and allowing the switch blade to be recessed into the stock rail.  The Kato #6 has no planing or joggle.]

* The Up Loop entry points had a joggle ground out of the straight stock rail usiing a cheap tool in the ancient mini drill.  When the points were replaced on the layout, the improvement in running was noticable - no more 'clicking'.  I'll do some more testing tomorrow, but that appears to be the answer.

Thank you for looking.

Best wishes

John (and "Tickety-tonk" from Bertie)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 02, 2017, 10:24:21 PM
Interesting as I thought it was the Kato #4 points which were known to lack that joggle.   There's a well known article out on the net about dealing with this - so well known that I'm damned if I can find it right now of course!

[edit]
Don't think this was the article I was originally thinking of, but this link does include piccies and methods of sorting out the #4 point.

http://www.pbase.com/atsf_arizona/kato_4_turnout_tuning&page=all (http://www.pbase.com/atsf_arizona/kato_4_turnout_tuning&page=all)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 03, 2017, 09:07:57 AM
Interesting as I thought it was the Kato #4 points which were known to lack that joggle.   There's a well known article out on the net about dealing with this - so well known that I'm damned if I can find it right now of course!

[edit]
Don't think this was the article I was originally thinking of, but this link does include piccies and methods of sorting out the #4 point.

[url]http://www.pbase.com/atsf_arizona/kato_4_turnout_tuning&page=all[/url] ([url]http://www.pbase.com/atsf_arizona/kato_4_turnout_tuning&page=all[/url])


Many thanks for this, Nick.  John Sing's modification certainly helps the #4 turnouts but I still cannot get them to run reliably with non-Kato locomotives and rolling stock.  I found that, once the joggles are done, the point of derailment moves to the common crossing (frog).  I modified one by grinding and filing away a fair amount of material and it was better, but still not completely reliable with steam locomotives, particularly running tender first.  It works fine with my two diesel locomotives, though (one Graham Farish and one Dapol).

The solution (because I have sufficient space) was to use #6 turnouts.  However, the dynamics of a facing point after a curve continued to be bothersome.  The answer was to include a short straight between the curve and the facing point and, in this one instance, the joggle.

If only Peco would make a track system combining the best elements of their 'Setrack', including 'Streamline'-type points and crossings, and those of a modern sectional track system like Kato!

Thanks again for your post and the helpful link.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 03, 2017, 11:54:53 AM
... the dynamics of a facing point after a curve continued to be bothersome.  The answer was to include a short straight between the curve and the facing point and, in this one instance, the joggle.


To be honest that's pretty well known in model railway circles (no pun intended!) and is true for all scales. I've seen exactly the same discussions in the G scale forum I also frequent.

You should always try and allow a train some straight track before pointwork, otherwise you've got the flange of the leading wheels still being forced to the outside of the curve and something like a point blade is a prime candidate for a flange to catch on.

When I built my fiddleyard back in the mid 90s there was one place where I needed a Y point immediately after a curve.  I converted/bent a Settrack point, and to guide flanges away from hitting the point blade I added a check rail. Not pretty, but here it is at the end of 2017 still working fine!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/5885-031217114616.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58857)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 03, 2017, 04:15:12 PM
Thank you, Nick.  Using a check rail is clearly an excellent solution.

I was aware that model railway practice often includes a short straight between a curve and facing points (unless, of course, the facing points are actually on a curve).  I have done this on previous layouts.  The Kato #6 turnouts have 22mm of straight before the switches and gave no trouble on my US layout.  Therefore, I decided to try the formation without an intermediate straight track section which was, in retrospect, the wrong decision.  Still, I have been learning throughout the process, which is a good thing.

Thanks, again, for your helpful contributions.

Best Wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 03, 2017, 04:45:34 PM
Another 'Twenty-Two'!

Excitement ++ this weekend here at the Table-Top Railway!  A parcel arrived from the Isle of Man with the usual complement of fascinating postage stamps.  Inside was No. 2253, a Union Mills '2251' Class 0-6-0 from the second batch.  No. 2253 has the 1934 GWR roundel on its tender, often called a 'shirt button'.  I think that this is a striking 'moderne' logo on crockery, passenger carriages and even buildings, but it tends to get lost on the side of a tender.  But a nice variation on the existing No. 2242 in 'Great Western' livery.

I have 'copper-capped' No. 2242's chimney, using - experts please look away now - a 'Sharpie' bronze marker.  I have also done a bit of this 'enhancing' to my 'Dean Goods' and 'Dukedogs'.  Fear got the better of me regarding No. 2242's safety valve bonnet as, unlike the parallel boiler locomotives, this has a combined top feed which needs to remain green.

Poppy knows no such fear and, having a couple of hours to spare this afternoon, we went into the train set room and set to work on No. 2253.  We used a lot of masking tape cut into very fine strips.  At one point we considered changing to '0' gauge.  But we kept going:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-031217162924.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58858)
[No. 2242 on the left and No. 2253 on the right.]

Strangely enough, although one barely notices it in the photograph, I think that the brass beading round the cab side windows is particularly effective.  Recently, I saw a Hornby 'Hall' in '00' and thought it was a lovely model but there was something not quite right.  It was missing this brass beading.

After this little eye-straining interlude, my respect for the expert painters and liners on the Forum is even greater.

With regard to Poppy's contribution to the process:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-031217163504.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58859)

Many thanks for looking.

All best wishes.

John and Poppy.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on December 03, 2017, 08:30:19 PM
Those Collettís lok good indeed.
One of my favourite classes.
2200 was a Westbury engine when I was growing up and a frequent performer on the local goods at Trowbridge.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 07, 2017, 08:53:51 PM
An Interesting Working on the Modern Railway


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6222-071217204353.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59014)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6222-071217204417.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59015)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6222-071217204441.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59016)

A through freight from Port Perran in Cornwall, formed entirely from privately-owned wagons with an additional wagon attached in Somerset, is seen on the Up line hauled by Western Region NBL 'Type 2' No. D6326.  I believe that the train is headed for the North Eastern Region, with possibly, some wagons to be worked forward to the Scottish Region.

A lovely and interesting train.  Many thanks to all concerned!

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on December 07, 2017, 08:59:20 PM
Thank you for the splendid pictures John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 07, 2017, 09:41:10 PM
 :hellosign: Excellent photos John, thanks for sharing
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 10, 2017, 08:41:03 PM
Successful Commerce

10 December 1961.

The initial train from Port Perran (WR), with an additional wagon of Sam's Cider added in Somerset, met with complete commercial success in the NER and ScR.  I was fortunate to be trying out my home movie camera today, in preparation for all these lovely Christmas films, and managed to film the empty wagons returning to the WR.  In keeping with the importance of this train, a new 'Deltic' diesel-electric locomotive, No. D9007 Pinza was the unusual motive power.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nq52ef6ir8h6mm9/Deltic%20Freight.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/nq52ef6ir8h6mm9/Deltic%20Freight.MOV?dl=0)


Thank you for looking.

Cheerie-bye.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 10, 2017, 09:03:12 PM
 :hellosign: A very nice video John, thanks for sharing
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on December 10, 2017, 09:16:40 PM
A lovely video of a very colourful train
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 10, 2017, 09:34:35 PM
A lovely video of a very colourful train

Many thanks, Martin, and thank you for making such a splendid job of painting almost all the wagons in the train.

The train is certainly colourful, but it is not as colourful as driver Davie Napier's language was (allegedly!) when he saw that he and his favourite Deltic Pinza were diagrammed to work a freight train from Brawton to York.  Special or not, it was still a freight train.  All concerned heard that he'll be having a word with Mr Fiennes, the guv'nor, when he gets D9007 safely back to 'The Cross'.

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 11, 2017, 09:36:04 PM
A Preserved Railway...

With all this enthusiasm for the Table-Top Railway Mk III (2m x 1m, double track main line and a Deltic of all things), the Table-Top Railway Mk II (30" x 24", single track in a semi oblate circle) has been rather ignored of late.  It hasn't been scrapped, so I suppose it has been preserved... 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6222-111217212420.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59174)
[Collett '2251' class 0-6-0 No. 2253 heads a short train of recently-acquired goods rolling stock which was restored by the GWS (Bodmin).  No. 2253 shows off the preservationists' efforts at 'bulling' its copper and brass.]

* Locomotive from Union Mills - from the second batch of '2251's - and rolling stock kindly supplied by Chris in Prague to whom we at the Table-Top Railway extend our thanks.

Many thanks for looking.

Best wishes and toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 12, 2017, 09:16:23 PM
Bang Up To Date!

None of that historical modelling today!


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6222-121217210027.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59219)
[Empty stock for a 'Santa Special' being worked earlier today on the preserved Table-Top Railway Mk II by privately-owned 'Deltic' Diesel electric Co-Co No. D9007 Pinza.  The empty stock is diesel-hauled but the 'Santa Specials' are, of course, steam-worked.]

* This was the first working of a Diesel locomotive over the Table-Top Railway Mk II, which features Kato 'Unitrack' with filed rail joints set in glued 'Unijoiners', laid on a track bed of 6mm 'filter foam'.  This combination of locomotive and track is now my benchmark for smooth and silent running.  Sadly, I'm not convinced that it would be practicable on a larger layout.  The Table-Top Railway Mk III is more conventional, with Kato 'Unitrack' laid on Sundeala and without filed and glued joins.  The increase in noise is noticeable.

Thank you for looking.

Best wishes.

'Bye for now.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: dannyboy on December 12, 2017, 09:19:59 PM
'Pinza' is a lovely looking engine and your comments about Kato 'Unitrack' are interesting.  :hmmm:  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 13, 2017, 09:23:33 PM
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/6222-281117192115.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=58667[/url])
[Electro-Diesel No. E6003 has failed in the Up platform.  NBL 'Type 2' No. D6326 prepares to come to the rescue (Blimey! - Imagine being rescued by a NBL!)]

* The 'ED' is an old Dapol model and is a shocker.  Does anyone want a very pretty but completely useless 'ED'?


That's a lovely looking 73!  I have a bunch of original Dapol 73's that I only paid a pittance for as spare parts - they're all running now!   I'd certainly give it a good home and sort it out, but I'm sure that's all arranged by now?


No. E6003 has safely arrived, towed by NBL 'Type 2' No. D6326, all the way. Photos. and an explanation are due. Many thanks, John, it's a lovely looking model. Eventually, it will go off for DCC fitting at Wickness and I'll ask Douglas to have a look at its performance, too. What are the most likely problems affecting these models performance?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on December 13, 2017, 09:52:55 PM
What are the most likely problems affecting these models performance?

Of the cheapos that I resurrected,  there was some tight gearing that needed old grease removing and just generally fettling. One had a poor attempt to wedge the suppression cap to the metal chassis - no chance of that staying secure!  A couple needed the contacts for the lights adjusting and the chassis block cleaning at the contact points.

Didn't take much to get them going, and I'd only paid £10 for the group of 4 (plus a Farish 47 and 20 that also just needed to TLC).  One had glue on the bodyside  (how do people do that to expensive models???), so I got hold of a replacement bodyshell on ebay.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 13, 2017, 10:01:28 PM
What are the most likely problems affecting these models performance?

Of the cheapos that I resurrected,  there was some tight gearing that needed old grease removing and just generally fettling. One had a poor attempt to wedge the suppression cap to the metal chassis - no chance of that staying secure!  A couple needed the contacts for the lights adjusting and the chassis block cleaning at the contact points.

Didn't take much to get them going, and I'd only paid £10 for the group of 4 (plus a Farish 47 and 20 that also just needed to TLC).  One had glue on the bodyside  (how do people do that to expensive models???), so I got hold of a replacement bodyshell on ebay.

Many thanks for your quick response. Sounds like it could well be a simple problem for Douglas to fix as part of his excellent DCC-fitting service.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 14, 2017, 07:33:28 PM
No. E6003 has safely arrived, towed by NBL 'Type 2' No. D6326, all the way. Photos. and an explanation are due. Many thanks, John, it's a lovely looking model. Eventually, it will go off for DCC fitting at Wickness and I'll ask Douglas to have a look at its performance, too. What are the most likely problems affecting these models performance?

That's good news, Chris.  It is encouraging that the NBL 'Type 2' B-B managed to work the failed 'ED' to Cant Cove (and Penmayne).  I look forward to it returning home with a train of wagons made surplus to requirements due the fabulous new PO wagons which have arrived in Cornwall.  Photographs of the 'ED' in Cornwall will be very welcome.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 14, 2017, 07:49:33 PM
An LMS Interlude

There's not a lot of light for colour photography at this time of year but I managed one photograph down at the station earlier today.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6222-141217193647.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59289)
[Ex-LNWR 'G2' 0-8-0 No. 9423 with brake van 730670 painted in the recently-introduced livery, with small 'LMS' lettering, on the Down Main line.]

The train was going slowly (so slowly that I contrived a 'rods-down' photograph in the approved fashion) with the usual "Chuff - Cough - Wheeze - Puff" sound from the locomotive.  The guard shouted over to me that the van had somehow found its way to a place in Cornwall called Cant Cove and that it was being worked to the Northern Division which had need of it.

Thanks for looking and all best wishes.

Tickety-tonk.


John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on December 14, 2017, 07:55:09 PM
A lovely photo John.
Indeed, that brake van has been working in Cornwall for some time, even making appearances as far West as Truro (via Port Perran). It was a regular on Cant Cove to Trepol Bay freights (via Wadebridge).
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 14, 2017, 08:41:19 PM
Many thanks for that photo., John. Very good to see that it has arrived safely. One of the peculiarities of BR SR's goods train operations in the Wadebridge area was the use of both ex-LMSR LWB guard's vans (chiefly fitted ones in BR Bauxite) and ex-LNER SWB "Toad B" SWB guard's vans (chiefly unfitted ones in BR Grey), along with at least one 'Queen Mary' bogie brake van in BR Bauxite (Early). As Martin, mentions, all the above can be seen in the area, together with, on the BR WR side, ex-GWR "Toad" brake vans. SR 'Pillbox' brake vans are rather rarer and BR Standard Brake Vans only appear later in the 1960s.

One of the unfortunate side effects of the recent sojourn of the TARDIS in the cellar of Trevelver Castle's Owl Tower has been to sweep into the area earlier versions of current rolling stock, one being the LMS livery LMS design brake van pictured here which has been safely returned to its correct timestream, to the relief of all concerned. Now only the BR livery (Bauxite and Grey) equivalents will be seen.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 15, 2017, 10:39:58 AM
The Wadebridge Yardmaster has confirmed three goods vehicles [377-501C 3-plank Wagon bauxite, 377-301B BR grey ex-LMS brake van, BR Bauxite ex-SR uneven planked ventilated van] have left behind NBL 'Type 2' No. D6326, all the way. The van contains a selection of ales and beers from the 4 members of the Association of West Country breweries, despatched from the Trepol Bay distribution of the "Headland Brewery".
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 17, 2017, 03:31:38 PM
I've Got My Wires Crossed.

A tiny little bit of progress to report...

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[A busy scene earlier today.  Inspired by other posts on the Forum showing 'No. 9' on a brake van special and restored locomotives and rolling stock at Trepol Bay, this 'Branch Line Society' '1961 Advent Tour' features four brake vans, two BR and two restored.  Motive power is GWR 'Collett' '2251' class 0-6-0 No. 2284, which has been purchased privately for preservation and restored in the 1934 GWR 'shirtbutton' livery.  On the Up Main line, NBL 'Type 2' B-B No. D6326 passes with a passenger train.  In the headshunt, wagons of timber from Port Perran await re-marshalling into a train headed for the ScR.]

The progress remarked upon is seen in the photograph.  The trailing point from the Up Main line into the goods yard needs to work as a crossover with the point from the goods yard to the headshunt, in order to protect the main line from runaway wagons (or locomotives!) from the goods yard.  One can operate several Kato points from a single lever without difficulty and they will all move in the same direction.  This particular track formation requires points 'A' of the crossover to be straight road whilst points 'B' are diverging road and vice versa.  Fortunately, I had a spare points extension lead (24-841) to hand and cut it in half, reconnecting the red wire to the black.  These intentionally crossed wires allow the two turnouts to operate as required.  The Table-Top Railway Mk III has nine turnouts and that's now eight of them operational.  The lever frame has only five levers.     

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/59/6222-171217152018.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=59406)

* No. 2284 is a superb Peco model and has now been replaced on normal duties by a Union Mills '2251'.

Many thanks for looking and all best wishes.

Cheerio!

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on December 17, 2017, 03:52:57 PM
The Collett looks very much at home on the brake van special John and itís good to see those timber wagons in the siding there.
Great stuff.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 17, 2017, 05:41:15 PM
Thank you, John, for the photos. and detailed update. Very good to see the PO goods stock has safely arrived after its lengthy cross-Europe journeys! Also the Minitrix BR WR Chocolate & Cream coach (there will be another, I hope, next month.)

I see that you already have a SR livery SR 'Pillbox' brake van, so no need to post you my spare one, then. Brake Van tours are always very popular in the pre-Health & Safety obsessed times. If I get time, and sunshine, I'll photograph one, later this week.

I also have a Peco N - NL-27 2251 BR Plain Black Late Crest 0-6-0 Collet - Boxed. A lovely model apart from the over-sized tender (to fit the DCC chip). I may add a UM one but in BR Lined Green courtesy of Gideon, next year.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 17, 2017, 07:36:48 PM
Many thanks, Chris and thanks again for the rolling stock which you have so kindly sent.  This is adding greatly to the layout, particularly the 1961 scene.

With regard to the 'Collet' '2251' locomotives:

The Peco ones are beautiful, finely detailed masterpieces from Devonshire.  I love them.  And the manufacturer is incredibly helpful if you need it.

The Union Mills ones are beautiful, rugged workhorses from the Isle of Man.  I love them.  And the manufacturer is incredibly helpful if you need it.

The Union Mills locomotives 'blend in' well with the same manufacturer's other locomotives.  The Peco locomotives, being so fine, tend to draw attention to themselves.

My solution is to gaze admiringly at the Peco locomotives and to run the wheels off the Union Mills ones!

All the very best.

John

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 19, 2017, 09:39:49 PM
Christmas Greetings from the Table-Top Railway

Do you remember that Model Railway Journal Christmas number's cover from a few years ago?  The one with the Three Kings!  Well, I thought we would do the same.  Then Poppy reminded me of a difficulty; we are not a Double Red Route!  Therefore, the Locomotive Department has done its best, in the spirit of the Three Kings...

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Perhaps they are not regal, but they are certainly polished for the occasion.

With all best wishes, to our NGF friends, for a very Merry Christmas from John and Poppy.

[With special thanks to Union Mills.]

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on December 19, 2017, 09:43:22 PM
Brilliant.
And Merry Christmas to you (and Poppy).
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 19, 2017, 09:45:40 PM
Thank you, John. Three lovely little models. Alas, "Kings" were far too heavy to ever appear in Cornwall but 3 Bulleid 'Light Pacifics' is a fairly close SR equivalent! 8-) We'll have to see what the official photographer can do.

There is snow, here, in Prague, as well as at Cant Cove (albeit strangely confined).

Thank you and a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and Poppy, too. I look forward to the next instalment.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: JohnN on December 19, 2017, 10:52:52 PM
What a lovely idea. Thank you.  Merry Christmas to you and Poppy.  :)

John.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 22, 2017, 10:58:13 PM
 :hellosign: Excellent photo John, thanks for sharing & very merry christmas to you & Poppy
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 28, 2017, 08:40:46 PM
Not Quite What I Had Planned

I hoped, on Christmas Day, that my first post-Christmas post would include a photograph of the lovely present which I received from Mrs Train Waiting - English Electric No. D211.  Unfortunately, the 'Type 4' was declared a failure on delivery with non-illuminated marker lights at one end.  Hatton's has been very good about this and a replacement has been arranged.  I will include a picture of my present from Poppy over the next day or two.

I do have a couple of pictures, though.  Our very good friend, the Prof, came to stay for a couple of days after Christmas.  The Prof is an LNER enthusiast and has been buying models that he likes in both '00' and British 'N' gauges.  He brought a couple of locomotives to run in on the Table-Top Railway.

Therefore, we found ourselves in late December 1937 on an agreeably sunny day.  The main line has engineering works and some trains are being diverted via Brawton.  Fortunately, Father Christmas had been generous with 'Kodak' colour film!

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['A1' 4-6-2 No. 4472 Flying Scotsman runs through Brawton station on the Down main line, whilst 'J25' 0-6-0 No. 1988 hurries a special goods train south.  This train was carrying urgent supplies of Scotch whisky for the south of England.  The local pet, 'D20' 4-4-0 No. 2024, was booked to shunt an empty yard, which provided its crew with a very welcome opportunity for lots 'n' lots of lovely polishing for a couple of hours.]

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[A little later and a real rarity - 'A4' No. 4488 Union of South Africa drifts through on the Down main line.  No. 2024 has received its polishing and the driver and fireman have stopped for tea.]

* It was interesting for me to observe how these modern Dapol steam locomotives performed.  Both were good.  The 'A4' was noticeably smoother and quieter than than the 'A1'.  Perhaps, with more running, the 'A1' will match the 'A4'.

Many thanks for looking and all best wishes.

Toodle-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on December 28, 2017, 08:56:46 PM
Lovely pictures John.
Nice to see some visiting locomotives. Iíve never really been a fan of the A4s (probably, and perhaps unjustifiably, due to my South Western bias) but I do prefe4 them without the valances - and in green.
Our visitors leave tomorrow so........the guest bedroom reverts to a railway room.  :)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 29, 2017, 09:27:14 AM
Lovely pictures John.
Nice to see some visiting locomotives. Iíve never really been a fan of the A4s (probably, and perhaps unjustifiably, due to my South Western bias) but I do prefe4 them without the valances - and in green.
Our visitors leave tomorrow so........the guest bedroom reverts to a railway room.  :)

Many thanks, Martin.  I enjoyed seeing the visiting locomotives on the layout and was relieved when they coped with my track-laying.  I had a Dapol 'B17' a good few years ago and was not impressed with it.  Perhaps it was a bad one and I ought to have returned it...  These Dapol 'pacifics' were good performers, even although they were running in.  And I certainly have been impressed by my Dapol NBL 'Type 2'.

With regard to 'A4s', they appear to divide opinion.  This is nothing new of course; they did not have a completely admiring reception from enthusiasts when introduced.  I like them, but a friend of mine once described an 'A4' as, "Looking like a banana!"  My preference is for them in the 1935-1939 condition - in silver or blue.  The exception to this is 'Number 9', as she is (green, no valances and an enormous Kylchap chimney.)  On 'Number 9', the BR green appears, to me at least, to take on the appearance of British Racing Green.

It will be good to get your railway room back (nice though it is to receive visitors) and I look forward to seeing some photographs of the layouts back in action.

With all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 29, 2017, 01:40:00 PM
My Christmas Present from Poppy!

We are in 1961 today, so this gives me an opportunity for a photograph of my Christmas present from Poppy.

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[A 'Hoveringham' Foden 'FG' tipper waits in the goods yard.]


I had a similar 'Hoveringham' Foden, made by Matchbox, when I was a boy and this Oxford Diecast lorry was an excuse for a wallow in Festive nostalgia.  As one might expect, Poppy was eager to get her paws on the Foden as well...

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Poppy has taken posession of the driver's seat (she spends hours each day on it) in the train set room and I am now relegated to an uncomfortable stool.  That's life!

Best wishes and many thanks for looking.

Pip-pip.

John and Poppy.



Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on December 29, 2017, 02:52:01 PM

Poppy has taken posession of the driver's seat (she spends hours each day on it) in the train set room and I am now relegated to an uncomfortable stool.  That's life!


It's always good to know your place as far as cats are concerned. They'll soon put you in it if you don't!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on December 30, 2017, 02:34:49 PM
I had a similar 'Hoveringham' Foden, made by Matchbox, when I was a boy

Snap! Perhaps I too should get one for the nostalgia train :)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on December 30, 2017, 02:37:08 PM
I had a similar 'Hoveringham' Foden, made by Matchbox, when I was a boy

Snap! Perhaps I too should get one for the nostalgia train :)
Same here. Itís a lovely little model and certainly adds a splash of colour.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on December 30, 2017, 04:27:00 PM
Back to What I had Planned

Some very good work by Hatton's and the Royal Mail has resulted in the 'Type 4' No. D211 arriving at the Table-Top Railway today.  The failed one will be returned next year!  The Chief Civil Engineer took one look at this monster (no longer than a 'Deltic', but heavy and an awful lot of wheels!) and declared that it would have to undergo clearance tests before being passed for the route through Brawton.
 
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[English Electric 'Type 4' 1Co-Co1 No. D211 Mauretania, in the Darrowby bay platform at Brawton, on 30 December 1961.  This locomotive will not be permitted to run on the Darrowby branch, but it has been cleared to shunt into the bay road if required.  A 'Deltic' 'Type 5' Co-Co (No. D9007 Pinza) stops with a passenger train at the up platform.  The goods yard is busy with traffic connected with the Scotch whisky industry.]

I'm impressed with the 'Type 4'.  It appears to be an excellent runner and it is still only half run-in at present.  I look forward to seeing how well it copes with the Kato 'Unitrack' 315mm (12 3/8") radius curves on the Up main line for the second running-in session.

I'm fortunate that No. D211 was an early named 'Type 4' (September 1960).  Many of the named locomotives of the class did not receive their names until later than our 1961 time period; mostly 1962, with a couple as late as 1963.  And, of course, Pinza was one of the first 'Deltics' to be named, in June 1961.

Thank you for looking and all good wishes.

Toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on December 30, 2017, 04:32:50 PM
Beautiful model there and it looks very much at home
It certainly doesnít take second place to that Deltic.
Maybe a Class 37 next?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on December 30, 2017, 05:05:24 PM

I'm fortunate that No. D211 was an early named 'Type 4' (September 1960).  Many of the named locomotives of the class did not receive their names until later than our 1961 time period; mostly 1962, with a couple as late as 1963.  And, of course, Pinza was one of the first 'Deltics' to be named, in June 1961.


And, of course, D306 was named 'Atlantic Conveyor' in preservation following the Falklands Conflict.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 31, 2017, 12:23:58 AM
 :hellosign:  :greatpicturessign: Many thanks for sharing John
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 02, 2018, 04:02:54 PM
Happy New Year to all our Forum Friends from the Table-Top Railway

As we all welcome the New Year of 1961, there are several of matters of, perhaps, some interest to report.

Firstly, as announced at the end of last year, BR (NER) has decided that the Hartington to Harrogate, via Brawton, line will be, as far as possible, entirely diesel-worked with effect from 1 January 1961.  This will enable the Region to gain experience in operating a route by modern traction.  The matter of the Darrowby branch is not fully resolved at the moment.  The LMR has not yet agreed to work its through trains from Hellifield to Brawton by diesel traction.  The NER-worked through trains, which only operate as far as Darrowby Junction (between Appleby and Hellifield), are diagrammed for diesel traction.  There remains the possibility that LMR steam locomotives will be seen as far east as Brawton, at least for the next few weeks.

The new order is seen in this photograph from 2 January 1961:

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[English Electric 'Type 4' 1Co-Co1 No. D 211 Mauretania is seen working an Edinburgh (Waverley) to Leeds (via Newcastle, Hartington, and Harrogate) train just south of Brawton.  The leading vehicle is particularly interesting as it contains a shipment of sausages from Tullibardine (ScR) to the North Cornwall area (SR and WR).]

The news of the dieselisation of this historic and scenic route has been welcomed by the local business and agricultural community.  However, Lord Hulton, through his many friends at BR Headquarters, has heard that the NER is intending to assess the viability of the Brawton to Darrowby branch line during 1961.  If the results of the assessment are not satisfactory, the line might be proposed for closure during 1962.  The LMR is understood to be planning to carry out a similar exercise regarding its Darrowby Junction to Darrowby branch line.  This raises to spectre, not only of the closure of the through route, but of no railway service at all to Darrowby.

Lord Hulton, whilst respecting the confidentiality of the information he has obtained, has responded by calling a meeting in the 'Reniston' hotel in Brawton to consider the formation of an organisation to promote local railways.  Lord Hulton is well-known to railway enthusiasts as a lover of steam locomotives and has even purchased several from British Railways.

Interesting times ahead!

Thank you for reading and all best wishes for the New Year, whether 2018 or 1961.

Pip-pip.

John
 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on January 02, 2018, 04:12:42 PM
Interesting times indeed.
We await news with baited breath.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 03, 2018, 09:16:20 PM
New Year - 1938

The last photographs of the Table-Top Railway were from 2 January 1961.  Today, we have gone back to 3 January 1938.  No diesels hereabouts and no financial review of the Darrowby branch, as far as we know.

There has recently been some discussion on the Forum about scenic fiddle yards - a concept with which I very much agree.  A poor effort compared to other layouts, I know, but this is our 'Back Loops' staging yard.  I rather fancy calling the location, Backloopingby.  This has a sort of North Riding ring to it.  It can be Backlooping-something else when we are in GWR-land!

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The loops can each take a locomotive and four carriages or 10 short-wheelbase wagons plus brake van.

Today, we are firmly in the former North Eastern Railway's territory, although now part of the LNER.  The trains from front to back are:
Up loop: 'J26' 0-6-0 No. 1773 with a short goods train.
Up main: 'J11' 0-6-0 No. 4354 with a short train of tank wagons.  The 'Pom-Pom' is undergoing trials in the North Riding.  Some cheeky railwayman has used a GWR wagon heading back to its home railway as a barrier wagon.
Down main: 'B12/3' 4-6-0 No. 8572 with a passenger train from Harrogate to Hartington.  For some inexplicable reason, 'B12/3' locomotives are fairly common on this line.
Down loop: LMS '2P' 4-4-0 No. 672 with the empty stock for a through train from Brawton to Hellifield via Darrowby.  Although the '2P' has, believably (just about) used the loops to run round its train, it has also managed to find a turntable.  Where this is located is a complete mystery to me.  I've asked the drivers on a couple of occasions and their reply is something like, "Skyhand"!

Finally, a word about the picture.  I copied it on the office photocopier from a Model Railway Constructor Annual.  It is a photograph of the type of 'pre-Norris' '0' gauge layout that I find attractive and is an inspiration for the 1920s/1930s 'Bertie Wooster's train set' version of the Table-Top Railway.  A model of a pre-War '0' gauge model railway, in British 'N' gauge, I suppose!  I am wondering about making separate versions of the layout, with the 1961 iteration rather more 'model railway-like' than 'unashamed train set'.  Fortunately, I have sufficient space to do this.

Many thanks for reading.

All good wishes.

John
 
 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on January 03, 2018, 10:00:27 PM
I rather fancy calling the location, Backloopingby.  This has a sort of North Riding ring to it. 

You can have fun with these, I rather fancy Fydlindale :-[
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 06, 2018, 04:16:17 PM
Good Things Going North

From the 'Port Perran/Trepol Bay' thread:-

"The Directors of both Headland and Castle breweries upon hearing of the urgent need for foaming English Ale have agreed for one wagon load from each brewery to be despatched Northwards at the earliest opportunity and with due haste.
The 20.35 departure from Truro to Wadebridge will be picking up a wagon from Headland Brewery at Port Perran. At Wadebridge a wagon from the Castle Brewery will be waiting. The two vans will then be added to the overnight Wadebridge to Exeter Goods (23.40 off Wadebridge yard). From Exeter the vans will be worked Northwards starting with the 06.02 freight to Gloucester."

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[At Brawton this afternoon.  The vans from the Headland and Castle breweries were worked onwards from Gloucester to Harrogate via Birmingham, Sheffield and Leeds.  At Harrogate, English Electric 'Type 4' 1Co-Co1 No. D211 Mauretania took over the train from a steam locomotive, a van of supplies from Messers Bettys Ltd was added and the train then proceeded to Brawton, where a van of Westmorland Eggs was attached.  The photograph shows the train backing into platform 3 (the Darrowby Bay) to attach the van.  The brake van remains on the Down main line in platform 2.  The van of eggs was worked from Darrowby Junction (LMR), which I think might be in Westmorland, to Brawton via Darrowby, as a special working headed by Lord Hulton's privately-owned 'D20' 4-4-0 No. 2024, the tender of which can just be seen in the photograph.  The train then continued Down to Hartington and onwards to the Midlothian district of the ScR where it is understood there is a particularly urgent need for the supplies on the train.]

Hopefully the train will arrive in time for this evening!  D211 has a splendid reputation for both performance and reliability, so fingers' crossed.

Thank you for reading and special thanks to Martin (Port Perran).

Best wishes.

John

PS The train was seen a few minutes later absolutely belting through Backloopingby, on the Down main line, with the locomotive making that distinctive whistling sound that is associated with the class.  The Backloopingby signalman reported to Control that it was running like the 'Queen of Scots' Pullman!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on January 06, 2018, 04:28:06 PM
Thank you John.
The two vans from the Cornish breweries were especially chosen as the best in their respective fleets.
Hopefully the ales will arrive in tip top condition and be enjoyed later this evening.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 06, 2018, 07:28:08 PM
Thank you John.
The two vans from the Cornish breweries were especially chosen as the best in their respective fleets.
Hopefully the ales will arrive in tip top condition and be enjoyed later this evening.

Many thanks, Martin.

They did and they are:

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And I have this month's magazines to keep me amused this evening.  A lovely picture of ex-CR 0-4-4T No. 55238 at Oban on the front cover of 'TI'.  Isn't it wonderful that we are now able to have colour pictures in our monthly magazines?  The 'RM' has a superb colour plate of a 'Castle' 4-6-0 from a painting by Mr Hamilton Ellis.  It's No. 142, Dunrobin Castle.

*** 57 (!) years later...
Mrs TW has gone to see her mother for a few days, sensibly leaving Poppy in charge here at Table-Top Railway Towers.  Poppy is coping particularly well with the enormous pressures of command:-

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6222-060118192223.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60250)

With best wishes and "chin-chin" from John and "zzzzz" from Poppy.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on January 06, 2018, 07:32:41 PM
Have a good evening and enjoy the beer  :beers:
Red wine in our household .
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on January 07, 2018, 10:55:16 AM
Poppy is coping particularly well with the enormous pressures of command:-

Astounding how they always seem to cope, we could learn a lot ;)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on January 07, 2018, 08:40:26 PM
No "pussy-footing" around there then. :)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 08, 2018, 03:15:01 PM
 :laughabovepost:  :thankyousign:

I have a day off today and am managing to have some time in the train set room.

The layout (Table-Top Railway Mk III) ran a fair bit over Christmas and the New Year and everything was totally tickety-boo.  My Graham Farish/Dapol diesels for 1961 and Union Mills steam locomotives for 1938 all ran fine, both forward and in reverse, on both Up (ruling curvature) and Down lines.  I was particularly relieved when the Prof's visiting Dapol 'A1' and 'A4' ran well.

I think it is time to say that the basic trackwork and wiring is fully operational (the only turnout not wired yet is the one for the Darrowby branch from Platform 3; at present this turnout is 'clipped' and Platform 3 is being used as a Down Bay).  Therefore, assuming that the main lines are place, I have started thinking about ballasting for the 'six-foot'.  I intend to use the ballast that Kato supplies for this purpose.

In order to economise on the amount of ballast required, I have decided to pack the 'six-foot' with card (cut from a Hatton's box).  My idea is to lay the Kato ballast on top of the card packing.  Here's what it looks like:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6222-080118145730.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60329)
[Trusty D9007 Pinza arrives at the temporary Up platform (Platform 1).  The location of Platform 2 is to the left of the Down main line.  The turnout gives access to Platform 3, the Bay Platform.  The branch turnout is behind the camera and the branch line can be seen on the far left, heading away to Darrowby and onward to the LMR and the Settle-Carlisle line.]

I should be particularly grateful for any observations on whether this technique is, at least, semi-sensible.

The next thing to think about is the platforms, as the platform width will dictate the final position of the track for Platform 3, and, in consequence, the location of the branch turnout.

Thank you for reading.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on January 08, 2018, 03:51:33 PM
Youíve made a very neat job of cutting that card John.
I guess it should work ok. Is the card glued down? If not, will the corners lift a little?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 08, 2018, 04:14:17 PM
Many thanks, Martin.

Card cut to 9/32" then dot-dabbed with Copydex, with the biggest 'splodges' at the ends of the strip and then stuck down.

For the curves, I made cuts at 3/4" centres for three-quarters of the width of the strip.  This and the clearance given by the 9/32" width allowed 'brass threepenny bit' curvature.

All the best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on January 08, 2018, 04:44:35 PM
Brass threepenny bits. Now thatís showing your age  :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on January 08, 2018, 06:31:25 PM
I should be particularly grateful for any observations on whether this technique is, at least, semi-sensible

Pretty much what Iíve done, so probably semi-sensible at best :D

I used cork instead of carboard as it curves quite nicely, but saving ballast was the main objective.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 08, 2018, 07:02:41 PM
Brass threepenny bits. Now thatís showing your age  :D

 :laughabovepost:

And I have a pile of silver ones somewhere.  I collected coins as a boy.  They  were no longer in circulation, but a lot were still around - a strategic reserve for birthday 'dumplings' and Christmas puddings, I suspect.  Kind elderly people (most people were elderly to me, then) gave them to me.

The brass ones - called 'wooden' (pronounced 'widden') where I grew up - were still very in use 'in my day'.

Yours nostalgicaly,

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 08, 2018, 07:08:53 PM
I should be particularly grateful for any observations on whether this technique is, at least, semi-sensible

Pretty much what Iíve done, so probably semi-sensible at best :D

I used cork instead of carboard as it curves quite nicely, but saving ballast was the main objective.

Very many thanks, Steve.

This is most encouraging.  I have seen, on your thread, the superb ballasting that you have achieved on the 'Capital Lines' and am glad that you did something similar to save ballast.  I think it might also produce a better job than hoping a very thick layer of ballast will happily glue to the baseboard.

If you don't mind me asking - how did you glue the ballast?

Thanks again and all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on January 08, 2018, 08:05:19 PM
I used neat PVA wood glue spread with a paintbrush, then sprinkled the ballast on top.

Historically Iíve always used a PVA/water mix and deeper layers of ballast, but this time around thought that thicker glue would be less likely to run inside the pointwork!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on January 08, 2018, 08:30:53 PM
All looking good. :thumbsup:
Be careful using a water based glue, the cardboard may warp and sag.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 09, 2018, 08:04:02 PM
I used neat PVA wood glue spread with a paintbrush, then sprinkled the ballast on top.

Historically Iíve always used a PVA/water mix and deeper layers of ballast, but this time around thought that thicker glue would be less likely to run inside the pointwork!

That's helpful, Steve.

Thank you very much indeed.

All looking good. :thumbsup:
Be careful using a water based glue, the cardboard may warp and sag.

Many thanks, Brian. 

I intend attaching another layer of card on top of what is already in place.  I have a cunning plan to brush a layer of 'Copydex' on to the top layer of card as a kind of sealant.

Thanks again, gentlemen, for your kind assistance.

And special thanks to all those involved with the administration of the Forum for creating a vehicle that enables your assistance to get to me here, between the Forth and the Tweed.

All best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 10, 2018, 07:40:03 PM
Cutting Card

I should like to start with the thanks.  To Brian, Martin and Steve; thank you for the help and advice.

There has been a bit of cutting of card around the Table-Top Railway Mark III.  The six-foot and ten-foot ways have had card packing glued in place prior to ballasting with Kato ballast.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6222-100118191232.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60422)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6222-100118191300.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60423)
[Apologies for the looming shadow which is, I regret to say, me.  Poor photography!]

I used a double card system.  The bottom layer was 3/32"-ish from a Hatton's box.  This was a sandwich, with a corrugated layer between two thin card layers.  The top layer, which I attempted to fit fairly closely, was 3/64"-ish.  Again, this was re-used.  I appreciated the irony, given that my Table-Top Railway concept is a train set attempting, but failing, to be a model railway.  Yes, you've guessed - it was the backing card from Model Railway Journal envelopes!

3/32" + 3/64" (both 'ish') = a nice height, I think, for packing for the ballast.

The double-card system was a boon for 'Copydex' shareholders.  The train set room has a whiff of cat about it.  Not Poppy, who has impeccable personal habits, but the glue - phew!

By the way, it was Poppy's first day 'out' today.  Always a nerve-wracking experience (for us humans).  She took off, in the general direction of Falahill Summit, like Mr Drummond's Abbotsford.  She returned, a while later, and is now asleep with the perfection that only well-fed cats can achieve.

Many thanks for looking and all best wishes.

Cheerie-bye from John and 'zzzzzz' (again!) from Poppy
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on January 10, 2018, 09:13:21 PM
Iím glad that Poppy made it home ok.
Always a worry when pets go off on their own for the first time.
Our two pets are contentedly asleep in their boxes at the moment. They went to bed in mid November and we expect to see them again sometime in early March.
They are never awake for Christmas much to their disappointment.

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 10, 2018, 09:29:52 PM
My first thought, Martin, was Yogi and Boo-Boo.  But bears are possibly not the most considerate of domestic pets.  All that refrigerator and picnic basket devastation!

My more considered guess is a brace of tortoises, for which the Cornish climate will be more agreeable that that which we enjoy hereabouts.

J
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: wookie on January 10, 2018, 09:35:13 PM
Hamsters?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on January 10, 2018, 09:41:19 PM
Students?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on January 10, 2018, 10:06:08 PM
Indeed they are 18 year old tortoises.
Capel and Dewi.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 11, 2018, 09:07:02 AM
Indeed they are 18 year old tortoises.
Capel and Dewi.

I admire your restraint, Martin.

I'm sure that I would have been unable to resist a third tortoise ... Hall.

At 18, I assume that they are youngsters.

Students?

Unsuitable, in my view, for domestic circumstances.

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on January 11, 2018, 09:24:42 AM
Indeed they are 18 year old tortoises.
Capel and Dewi.

I admire your restraint, Martin.

I'm sure that I would have been unable to resist a third tortoise ... Hall.

At 18, I assume that they are youngsters.

Students?

Unsuitable, in my view, for domestic circumstances.

All the very best.

John
They are in fact named after 6999. Growing up in Wiltshire I saw 6999 on a very regular basis and it became a favourite (it was allocated to Westbury shed at the time).
Yes, they are youngsters and will outlast us no doubt!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on January 11, 2018, 09:37:25 AM
Yes, they are youngsters and will outlast us no doubt!

Could probably outrun me, too  ;)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 14, 2018, 08:14:08 PM
Steam, Today, at Brawton

As mentioned earlier, BR (NER) has decided to operate the Harrogate to Hartington line with diesel traction only, as from 1 January this year (1961).  The branch line to Darrowby Joint is included in this plan.  The idea is to gain experience of an entirely diesel-worked railway.  York has been very clear about this, but, no doubt, there will be difficulties ahead if there is not a diesel locomotive or DMU available for a particular diagram.

BR (LMR) has yet to agree to this and its Hellifield to Brawton trains, via Darrowby, continue, as anticipated, to be worked by steam.  The BR (NER) trains on the branch normally run only as far as Darrowby Junction on the Settle to Carlisle main line and are diagrammed for diesel power.
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6222-140118194650.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60614)
[At Brawton earlier today, 14 January 1961.  A train from Hellifield via Darrowby arrives on time at Platform 3 whilst a train to Harrogate, running early, waits at Platform 2.  The branch train is worked by '3F' 0-6-0T No. 47394 and the main line train is hauled by English Electric 'Type 4' 1Co-Co1 No. D211 Mauretania.]

* I think an apology, at the very least, to the Hawes branches is called for!

** The BR (LMR) branch line train is new to the Table-Top Railway.  I have obtained locally an accumulation of British 'N' gauge rolling stock and (mostly) locomotives.  47394 was one of the locomotives.  Some of the items do not fit into my modelling eras of 1923-1938 and 1961.  I have absolutely no interest in selling model railway equipment, but it would be a shame for potentially useful items to sit in my loft.  Therefore, I will offer them for sale on the Forum.  At least they will then go to good homes where they will be appreciated.  I am new to this online selling lark and I beg your indulgence and forgiveness in advance for the inevitable foul-ups that will occur. 

Many thanks for looking and all best wishes.

Toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on January 14, 2018, 08:22:54 PM
A splendid picture. The Jinty looks very nice indeed and offers a lovely contrast to Mauretania there. Iím certain that steam will come to the rescue on the Harrogate to Hartington branch when BR find themselves somewhat embarrassed by a lack of operational diesels.
Good louck woth your sale - Iím sure that you will find good homes for all the locomotives.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on January 14, 2018, 10:29:43 PM
I've always had a soft spot for Jintys (Jinties?) as one always used to bomb round Wolverton Works when my Dad worked there :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 15, 2018, 09:07:55 AM
Test Running in Progress

Having considered the running of the Table-Top Railway (Mk III) to be passable and with the next construction stage set to begin, I thought it might be worthwhile to share a short film with you.  Not anything like those fantastic films of 'Port Perran', the 'Train Shed Project', 'Capital Lines' et al, but evidence that the trains run.  The layout is totally conventional: 12V DC with 'Tri-ang' train set-type wiring (two feeds per circuit) and separate feeds for the yard and branch line.  In theory, four trains could move at once!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/umdbmrnftv7hf16/Table-Top%20Railway%2015%20Jan%202018.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/umdbmrnftv7hf16/Table-Top%20Railway%2015%20Jan%202018.MOV?dl=0)

The trains running on the morning of 15 January 1961 are:
'Type 2' Bo-Bo No. D6326 with an Up freight train.  It is interesting that the NER has borrowed a diesel-hydraulic from the WR.
'Type 4' 1Co-Co1 No. D211 Mauretania with a Hartington-Harrogate express on the Down line.
'3F' 0-6-0T No. 47394 in the goods headshunt.  This locomotive will work the train in Platform 3 to Hellifield via Darrowby.

In the distance can be seen Backloopingby with a couple of Union Mills locomotives on trains from the pre-War era.  I might prepare a short film showing these running.

It's interesting to see how well the diesel outline locomotives perform.  The 'Type 2' is from Dapol and the 'Type 4' is a Graham Farish product.  Both are excellent.

Thank you very much for looking and for all the encouragement I have received from members of the Forum.

With best wishes.

John
 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on January 15, 2018, 09:15:22 AM
Lovely. Thanks for sharing.
The layout, when seen in its entirety is much bigger than I had imagined.
And I agree the locomotives do run very well.
More videos of the steam engines please.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: JohnN on January 15, 2018, 09:17:01 AM
Good to see training running John. Problem is, once you reach that stage, its easy to get distracted by them.  ;)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 15, 2018, 09:59:18 AM
Good to see training running John. Problem is, once you reach that stage, its easy to get distracted by them.  ;)

Thank you, John.  I certainly hope to be distracted!  It's really nice to play with the trains.

Lovely. Thanks for sharing.
The layout, when seen in its entirety is much bigger than I had imagined.
And I agree the locomotives do run very well.
More videos of the steam engines please

Many thanks, Martin.  It is 2m by 1m (not like me to be metricated!) but could be much smaller.  The 'design perameters' (!) for the Kato 'Unitrack' were 315mm (12 3/8") ruling curve, #6 turnouts and a long locomotive with four-coach train.

I once read an article in the Railway Modeller about building Cyril Freezer's 6' by 4' '00' gauge track plans in 'N' gauge.  I have tried to do something similar.  Although the track plan is not by CJF, I like to think it could be.  For me, the main thing thing is that it is a train set trying and, importantly, failing to be a model railway.  I'm also inspired by pre-Norris '0' gauge layouts from the 1920s and 1930s.

I'll turn the big blue lever in the Time Machine back to January, 1938 and see if a colour film of 'Bertie Wooster's Train Set' can be obtained...

Thanks again, both.

With all good wishes.

John   
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 15, 2018, 08:04:08 PM
That Little Voice of Nagging Doubt

I expect that all model railway enthusiasts will have encountered the little voice of nagging doubt at some time or another.  I was silly enough to write this morning, 'Having considered the running of the Table-Top Railway (Mk III) to be passable and with the next construction stage set to begin...'  About half-an-hour later the little voice of nagging doubt started and would not stop:

"You know how you have only two facing points on the main lines on the layout?"  "Yes."
"You know how one of them gave sporadic trouble which you cured by filing a little 'joggle'?"  "Yes."
"You know how you have ordered the Kato ballast and Train Trax has confirmed that it's on it's way?"  "Yes - a good supplier is Train Trax."
"You know how it will be harder to lift a turnout once you have ballasted the six-foot?"  "Yes!"
"Well, would it not be sensible to lift the other facing point and file a 'joggle' in it as well; just in case?"

This went on for several hours and Poppy, getting bored of me being irritated with myself, went out in a huff.  After many repetitions of the little voice of nagging doubt's questions, I answered the final one - "YES!"

Turnout lifted, joggle filed, turnout cleaned to within an inch of its life after that filing, turnout re-laid and tested - just under an hour.  Trains are running nicely through it and Poppy is back in.  I decided that 'passable' was not really passable at all.

Here's the evidence that I have not wrecked the facing points, it was the one on the Down main line (the outer clockwise track) at the entrance to the 'back loop'.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5jeey0ufly1v8w0/Table-Top%20Railway%20Steam%2015%20Jan%202018.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/5jeey0ufly1v8w0/Table-Top%20Railway%20Steam%2015%20Jan%202018.MOV?dl=0)

Steam working as suggested by Martin (Port Perran) on 'Bertie Wooster's train set':

[15 January 1938 and it's a busy time at Brawton.  A Down through train, worked by 'D20' 4-4-0 No. 2024 - the local shed pet - passes on the main line whilst 'J25' 0-6-0 No. 1988 shunts the goods yard.  A '2F' 0-6-0, No. 22958, awaits departure from Platform 3 with a freight train to Hellifield via Darrowby.  But the main interest today is that the Hellifield to Brawton morning passenger train has been extended to Harrogate due to it having a through Great Western carriage from Port Perran and Truro.  Hellifield shed decided to put on a locomotive to impress the Cornish party (and the good people of Harrogate!), the specially prepared 'Prince of Wales' 4-6-0 No. 5604 Enchantress.  It is understood that the Cornish party had a particularly agreeable gala luncheon in Messrs Betty's, Harrogate.]

* All motive power by Union Mills.

Thank you for reading and all good wishes.

Tickety-tonk.

John

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 16, 2018, 11:13:58 PM
 :hellosign: Excellent videos John, thanks for sharing
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 17, 2018, 07:36:27 AM
Yes, great videos John  :thankyousign:
Pleased to hear that Poppy is now contented with you again! Running looks to be very smooth and the joggles work superbly.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 19, 2018, 09:04:03 PM
Train Set-Type Stuff

The Kato ballast has arrived from 'TrainTrax', together with the two Kato leads that I needed to complete the wiring.  One, the power feed to Platform 3 - the branch line bay - won't be installed until the track is in its final location.  This won't occur until the proper platform is in place.  The other, the 24-827 three-way extension cord, allows the points from the Down main line to the bay and those from the bay to the branch line to work as a crossover:-

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6222-190118204247.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60774)

Being now pleased with the overall running, I decided to tidy up the wiring and ensure that the eight colour-coded circuits were properly identified, using little sticky coloured dots.  The wiring is totally train set and, mostly, lives in a trough below the layout.  Here is the access cover removed:-

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6222-190118204714.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60775)

Although the Kato wiring components may appear expensive, they are 'plug and play' (almost) and reusable.  Some of the leads in this photograph are now on their third layout.

Of course, this trough has another use...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6222-190118205046.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60776)

... storage.

Union Mills locomotives are ideal for a train set, but the limit on the layout at any one time is probably six.  The others need an engine shed in which to rest between turns of duty.  The Table-Top Railway has adopted an aircraft carrier's below deck approach!

As one can see, we certainly are not at the leading edge of innovation in the hobby.  At least we are two-rail electric!

Many thanks for looking and all good wishes.

Toodle-pip.

John



Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on January 19, 2018, 09:20:03 PM
Although the Kato wiring components may appear expensive, they are 'plug and play' (almost) and reusable.  Some of the leads in this photograph are now on their third layout.

Amen to that.  I'm using mine a second time around: they're very quick and, if you've a memory like mine, entirely free :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 19, 2018, 09:59:55 PM
It Works!

After my interfering with the wiring earlier today, I am relieved to report that the train set still works.  And the access cover fitted back in place as well.  Time to stop before I break something.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/la28ygfqoj82h9h/B12%2019%20Jan%201938.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/la28ygfqoj82h9h/B12%2019%20Jan%201938.MOV?dl=0)

[19 January 1938.  A 'B12/3' 4-6-0 No. 1545 works a Down express through Brawton.  It is reported that this class of locomotive is used on the line from time to time.]

* More difficult to explain is how the 'B12/3' had obtained its 1946 number in 1938!

Pip-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on January 20, 2018, 08:15:04 AM
Great stuff.
That loco looks really lovely chuffing round.
Glad the wiring still works after your interference!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: wookie on January 20, 2018, 12:29:14 PM
I often wish I had used Kato track on Wookery. The insulated joiners are so much better for DCC than the Peco plastic ones which leave a gap that leads to poor running. The double crossover is also brilliant for space saving. Yes, the points look a bit clunky but careful weathering covers that up.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: JohnN on January 20, 2018, 12:40:11 PM
I have noticed this about the Peco IRJs. It seems more noticeable with code 55 too.  :hmmm:

Being quite open minded to learning and trying new products and techniques, I bought an M1 starter set after Christmas in the Train Trax sale, partly as I was curious about it and partly for a convenient way to set up a temporary test circuit for servicing in running in lcocs. Suffice to say, I have just been out and bought variance set V1 plus a few more curves and straights to have a play with. It is very addictive.  :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: dannyboy on January 20, 2018, 07:42:23 PM
I have just been out and bought variance set V1 plus a few more curves and straights to have a play with. It is very addictive.  :D

Have we another Unitrack convert?  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: JohnN on January 20, 2018, 09:33:27 PM
Well I wont say I'm going to stop using Peco track but I am interested to use the Kato to build a layout at some point. I've also bought some Kato IRJs and extra track connectors and will have a play setting it up for DCC.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 21, 2018, 03:52:52 PM
A Bit of Fiddling


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6222-210118145200.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60807)
Lovely to look at, but I'm not going out there today, so it's the train set room for me...

I now have establised the Peco platform width of 45mm (this works with Kato 'Unitrack' track and the 'clearance tester' - a Union Mills 'Dukedog') so that's the track for Platform 3, the bay platform, finally in place and wired up.  A Kato 'Unitrack' 64mm straight track piece gave the track spacing between the two turnouts forming the crossover to allow for Platform 3.  Hopefully, this can be seen below.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6222-210118145711.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60809)
[21 January 1938 and a special train for the Darrowby branch waits in Platform 3, whilst a connecting train from Harrogate, worked by B12/3 4-6-0 No. 8572 departs from Platform 2.]

I have been thinking about how to operate the branch line as there needs to be some way for the locomotive to turn and to run round its train.  I think these massive hidden 'fiddle yards' that one often sees on large layouts featured in the magazines are more like 'staging yards', as they hold complete trains waiting in loops ready for their next turn of duty.  Much better, in my view, to have scenic yards and there are some excellent examples on layouts on the Forum such as The Capital Lines and Tempsford.  The Table-Top Railway has its own modest version of this at 'Backloopinby', a fan of four loops at the back of the layout. 

However, I think the branch line needs a proper fiddle yard for fiddling with trains, rather than simply holding them.  In effect, a junction station to fiddle yard set up, rather than the traditional terminus to fiddle yard.  But still very conventional.  This was the thing in the 1950s and 1960s.  A while back, in my 'P4' days, cassette fiddle yards were becoming popular.  I recall Chris Pendlenton having an excellent example.  I am now a long way from 'P4', having regressed to the train set layouts I admired when I was young, but a variation on the cassette system turned out to be the answer.  And here I give thanks for Kato 'Unitrack'!

Back to 21 January 1938 and the special train.  Trikki-Woo had been indisposed (presumably due to Festive over-indulgence) but Uncle Herriot has restored the little dog to health.  A grateful Mrs Pumphrey has organised a luncheon party at her country house and several guests are travelling north from York and Harrogate.  Granville Bennett is travelling south from Hartington.  Rather than her guests using the normal branch passenger train, Mrs Pumphrey has arranged for a special train to run from Brawton (connecting with the York/Harrogate and Hartington trains) to Darrowby.  The LNER has risen to the occasion as the formation is a Buffet Car and a Brake Composite.  Plenty of refreshments are available!  The locomotive is, of course, the local pet, 'D20' 4-4-0 No. 2024.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6222-210118152023.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60812)
The special train arrives in the fiddle yard and the 'D20' has tied off.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6222-210118152157.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60813)
The locomotive has turned and is running round the train.  Please note that the 'D20' is on the rail part of Kato track piece 20-021 '124mm Road Crossing'.  I think this track piece has possibilities for conversion into a locomotive storage cassette which will allow for easy locomotive changes.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6222-210118152306.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60814)

The locomotive has tied on to the other end of the train and is ready to depart (it'll be a while, though, Mrs Pumphrey's guests have a lot of Champagne to enjoy).

This is made practicable by the clever Kato 'Unijoiners'.  These normally click in with an agreeable 'Snap!', but if one alters them by removing the fixing clips at one end, then there is a very nice sliding fit.  Here's the modified 'Unijoiners on the right, with a pair of standard ones on the left.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6222-210118152717.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60815)


Many thanks for looking and apologies for any offended sensibilities caused by my crude 'bodging' of the elegant cassette system.

With all good wishes.

Cheerie-bye.

John

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 21, 2018, 04:40:58 PM
Thankfully no white stuff down here, just lots of wet stuff.

An elegant solution. Do you have plans to mechanise it?  :)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: JohnN on January 21, 2018, 06:49:35 PM
Neat solution John. I'd thought about whether something like this would be possible and now you've answered the question without me having to ask it. Thanks.  :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on January 21, 2018, 06:55:00 PM
A neat idea indeed.
Looks excellent.
We envy your snow here. We just get rain, rain, rain for weeks on end (plus days of strong wind as well) - everything is just squelchy.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 21, 2018, 07:29:05 PM
Neat solution John. I'd thought about whether something like this would be possible and now you've answered the question without me having to ask it. Thanks.  :D

Thank you very much, John.  I could have droned on for longer about the detail of it, but did not want to impose upon the good nature of my Forum friends.  If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.  The one thing which I have no idea about is whether the electrical continuity through the modified 'Unijoiners' would be sufficient for DCC use.  Here we use clockwork (no sorry, we are now on 12V DC; we have joined the 20th century) and it is tickety-boo.  DCC might need separate wires so that all the clever digital instructions don't get lost in the post.  But, apart from DCC, I'm your huckleberry.

With all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: JohnN on January 21, 2018, 07:47:07 PM
Thanks John. I'm in the early stages of playing with Kato Unitrack (when I should be cracking on with Dartley Coombe) but am finding the possibilities intriguing.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: dannyboy on January 21, 2018, 07:54:06 PM
I'm in the early stages of playing with Kato Unitrack....................but am finding the possibilities intriguing.

It is actually quite amazing what can be achieved with Kato Unitrack by "playing" with it. I know when you first buy it you have a pile of rigid pieces, but the careful use of cutters and a fine tooth saw open up all sorts of possibilities.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on January 21, 2018, 08:53:10 PM
A neat idea indeed.
Looks excellent.
We envy your snow here. We just get rain, rain, rain for weeks on end (plus days of strong wind as well) - everything is just squelchy.

An excellent and simple idea.
Weather wise we are in a drought situation here and the temperature outside now is just under 19ļC. :sweat:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 24, 2018, 09:58:23 PM
On the Tiles

The idea of the Table-Top Railway is that it is generic enough to pass as a train set depicting a GWR/LMS/LNER/SR, or BR 1960-1961, location.  Anathema to some railway modellers, I expect, but allowing me to play with many types of trains.  The LNER/ BR(NE) location with its place names borrowed from James Herriot's novels has seized my imagination for the past few weeks.  It is a secondary main line between Hartington and Harrogate, passing through Brawton, with a branch line to Darrowby.  In the books, Brawton replaced Harrogate and Hartington was (I think) Darlington.  Both these places are important railway centres* so I have kept them.  I have placed Hartington just south of the Tees (in GOC!) and Brawton somewhere to the north-west of Ripon.

A picture is worth a thousand words and didn't the old NER have those wonderful tiled maps?  Maybe I could scribble over one...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/60/6222-240118211139.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=60985)

Blue blob = Hartington
Yellow blob = Brawton
Red blob = Darrowby

Influenced by the Hawes branch, I have envisioned Darrowby as a joint station with an LMS/BR(M) branch from Darrowby Junction on the Settle and Carlisle making an end-on junction with the LNER/BR(NE) branch from Brawton.  This arrangement is under review (it would involve taking shocking liberties with the Pennines!) and the Darrowby line might become a conventional branch to a terminus (a bit like, say, Masham).

* In the case of Darlington, this is rather an understatement.


I think the next developed location in my head is probably LNER again, but in former GER territory.  The junction station being Flaxfield and the 'Love on a Branch Line' running to Arcady.  A charming book and a very agreeable television series.  For LNER days my beautiful brace of Union Mills 'B12/3's will be just the thing and Union Mills might produce some more 'D16/3' 'Super Claud's.  For 1960-1961, the Great Eastern lines were early to diesel-ise, which will fit nicely into my (almost) entirely diesel-worked theme.  Mr Hardy has written brilliantly and movingly of the 1959-1962 Stratford transition to diesel and electric power and there is a lovely photograph of him explaining the cab controls of Brush 'Type 2' A1A-A1A No. D5694 to HM the Queen.  Please Graham Farish, please ... a model of D5694 in early livery!

In the meantime, test trains are running happily round and round in circles and the branch line trains are going to and fro, using my awful adaptation of the cassette system.  The trains appear to stop and start reliably and to stay on the rails, all of which I take as a positive sign.  And all this running means a lot of track cleaning.  I'll have to ask the jolly nice lady in Boots for some more meths.

With many thanks for looking and all best wishes.

Toodle-oo

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on January 25, 2018, 06:51:31 AM
An excellent and intruiging exposition, John.  Thank you.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on January 25, 2018, 09:33:04 AM
I like your thinking John.
Itís an area with which I am not at all familiar but looks really interesting.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on January 25, 2018, 06:06:15 PM
I'm a fan of James Herriot and I very much like the back story. As you say it gives a great excuse to run really what you want. Ace!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 28, 2018, 03:31:40 PM
 :hellosign: Really excellent planning & execution John, as a through & through Yorkshire man definetly approve  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 28, 2018, 04:31:21 PM
Many thanks, Derek.  That is high praise, indeed!

I'm a Scotsman who loves Yorkshire.

Who knows; I might even be able to live there some day...

With all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 28, 2018, 05:14:19 PM
Something Rather Different for the End of January

I hope that I don't get expelled from the Forum for this.  But, here goes.

I am conscious that the photographs of the Table-Top Railway (Mk III) that I have shared with you have occasionally shown, off to the left, some broad gauge track.  I have to admit that this is for 'H0/00' trains.  The original plan was for these to occupy a baseboard of 4m x 1m.  The other side of the train set room has the US outline 'N' scale layout.  Originally, this ran all the way round the room, but that is another story.  Then I discovered Union Mills and my long-standing (40 years-ish!) desire for a British 'N' gauge layout appeared to be a practicable possibility.  After a bit of experimentation with the Table-Top Railway (Mk I) and Mk (II), work on Mk (III) commenced.  It is 2m x 1m, leaving pretty much the same area for 'H0/00'.  That is, unless the ever-so-attractive British 'N' gauge stages a complete takeover.  This is a possibility.

I thought that, rather than attempting to crop out the bigger trains, I would allow them to be seen:
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6222-280118164354.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61252)

[BR 'Standard 4MT' 2-6-4T No. 80120  waits for the signal to clear.]

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6222-280118164421.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61253)

[The East End, with 'Battle of Britain' 4-6-2 No. 34092 Hurricane* on shed.]

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6222-280118164452.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61254)

[A close-up of Hurricane.]

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6222-280118164522.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61255)

[The three-road fiddle yard.  The lever frame is for the US outline layout.]

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6222-280118164550.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61256)

[How it normally looks with the Table-Top Railway MK (II) in its usual place.  'T9' 4-4-0 No. 301 features.]

Hopefully, back to British 'N' gauge next time.

* Yes, I know that No. 34092 ought to be City of Wells, a 'West Country'.  The locomotive has the correct number, 34065, on the driver's side!  Quality control at Wrenn in its last couple of years was, possibly, not what it could have been.  I had to send several new locomotives back as they were poor runners.  They each returned, with a strong smell of 'WD40', and ran perfectly.

Thank you for looking and all best wishes.

Toodle-pip.

John


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on January 28, 2018, 07:11:35 PM
You are forgiven and definitely not expelled.
Just glad that you are enjoying meddling with N  :)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on January 28, 2018, 07:48:26 PM
They each returned, with a strong smell of 'WD40', and ran perfectly.


Oh dear. Please don't allow that muck anywhere near your N gauge stuff, John :worried: :no:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on January 28, 2018, 08:51:35 PM
Oooooo, itís so big!  ;)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 28, 2018, 10:22:30 PM
 :hellosign:  All trains are good John just   :ngauge: is the best   :thumbsup:
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 29, 2018, 09:28:50 AM
They each returned, with a strong smell of 'WD40', and ran perfectly.


Oh dear. Please don't allow that muck anywhere near your N gauge stuff, John :worried: :no:

Thank you, NPN.  'WD40' is banned from the train set room.  It is allowed in the garden shed - where it belongs!

You are forgiven and definitely not expelled.
Just glad that you are enjoying meddling with N  :)

Oooooo, it’s so big!  ;)
:hellosign:  All trains are good John just   :ngauge: is the best   :thumbsup:
      regards Derek.

Many thanks, gentlemen.  I prefer 'N' gauge for several reasons, none of which are in any way related to the view (deeply flawed, in my opinion) that 'N' is what one has if there is not enough room for 'H0/00'.  I have sufficient space for a fair-sized 4mm scale layout, but I won't have one.  I enjoy running my old Wrenn (and other assorted items) models from time to time.  But when I walk into the train set room to play trains for ten minutes, it's the Table-Top Railway (Mk III) that I turn to.  Apart from today.  It has an awful lot of loose ballast/dilute PVA mess on it.  I am beyond hopeless at ballasting.  I fear that it will never run again!

Once my eye is 'tuned' to British 'N' gauge, '00' seems to be very 'chunky'.  Strangely enough, after playing with the '00' layout, the British 'N' gauge trains don't appear inconsequential.

In an ideal world, with equal trade support for all scales (!), I think that 'TT' might just be the one that I would be most keen on.  I rescued a Tri-ang 'Castle' and three bashed-up carriages* a few years ago and they have that 'feel' of being the nearly the ideal size.  They are 1:100-ish scale.  Continental 'TT' is, I believe, 1:120.  That might be the perfect scale (for me).

Thank you so much for your continuing encouragement.  This is much appreciated, especially on a day like today when I'm trying not to look at the layout as I'm afraid of how dreadful the ballast will look.

With many thanks and all good wishes.

John

* PS.  If any Forum Friend runs Tri-ang 'TT' and could give the 'Castle' and carriages a layout to run on, please do get in touch.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 29, 2018, 08:13:00 PM
Ballasting

I've started making a shocking mess attempting to fix the Kato 24-039 loose ballast between the Up and Down lines.  I'm taking my time, doing short sections at a time.  I'm hoping for the best but fearing the worst!

Here's the stretch where the station platforms will be:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6222-290118200713.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61300)

At this snail-like pace, it will probably take about a week to go all the way round the layout, but this is an ordeal not to be rushed.  Strangely relaxing, though: concentrating completely to brush tiny pieces of ballast into the correct place!

With best wishes.

John


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on January 29, 2018, 08:15:16 PM
I wouldnít say thatís a shocking mess. Looks fine to me.
Are you worried about the difference in colour between your ballast and that used on the Kato track?
Or do you have a cunning plan?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on January 29, 2018, 08:26:48 PM
I wouldnít say thatís a shocking mess. Looks fine to me.


Agreed. Fret ye not :no:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 29, 2018, 08:56:17 PM
I wouldnít say thatís a shocking mess. Looks fine to me.
Are you worried about the difference in colour between your ballast and that used on the Kato track?
Or do you have a cunning plan?


Many thanks, Martin (and NPN).

The difference in colour is not worrying me (yet!).  It's Kato ballast sold to match Kato track.  Kato are very clever.  Maybe it just needs plenty of time to dry.

Failing this hoped-for agreeable turn of events, the nearest I think I could get to a cunning plan would be to ask Steve @tutenkhamunsleeping (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1490)  once again for help.  The Kato ballast on the 'Capital Lines' looks absolutely spiffing.

Thank you for your encouragement.

Here's hoping...

John


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: JohnN on January 29, 2018, 10:12:15 PM
Always worth taking your time with ballasting. And I agree, I find it strangely relaxing and enjoyable too.

You certainly seem to be making a very neat job of it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on January 29, 2018, 11:11:48 PM
The 00 pictures brought back a few memories... I used to have some of those old Triang buildings (little station shelter, water tower, etc) when I was a kid. Dunno what happened to them, though!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on January 29, 2018, 11:59:51 PM
 :hellosign: Ballasting is looking fine John, looks like what I will be using when the time comes, thank you
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: PeteW on January 30, 2018, 12:39:14 AM
Perhaps liberal doses of sleeper grime will tie everything together? At least, that's my hope when I - eventually - get to that point!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on January 30, 2018, 09:11:41 AM
You need to see what the ballast looks like when the glue is dry, mine looks different when the PVA is still visible.

The Kato sprinkly ballast is not an exact match for the moulded ballast to my eyes, but itís close - at least under my chosen lighting. You might have areas where the card/cork/baseboard shows through which gives a yellowy-brown tint, I was planning a second layer to cover these up but have decided that weathering will hide these well enough.

The main thing that I personally have come to dislike now Iíve got through 4 or 5 bags of the stuff is the black bits are noticabley larger in the sprinkly ballast.  Iíve actually started to (donít laugh!) spot paint these grey on some areas of the layout. If you look at some of my recent photos you might notice some zones are lacking in dead flies ;)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 30, 2018, 09:15:18 AM
The 00 pictures brought back a few memories... I used to have some of those old Triang buildings (little station shelter, water tower, etc) when I was a kid. Dunno what happened to them, though!  :thumbsup:

Many thanks, George.  They bring back very happy memories for me as well and are a continuing inspiration for the kind of 'look' that I am striving for with the Table-Top Railway: something like 45% model railway and 65% train set.  That's easily said, but it is proving strangely difficult to put into practice.  I am finding that the temptation is always to make it more model railway-like at each step in the construction.  The hazard is that it ends up as a staggeringly average model railway, rather than the glorious train set that I saw in my mind's eye as a 10 year-old.


Perhaps liberal doses of sleeper grime will tie everything together? At least, that's my hope when I - eventually - get to that point!

Thank you very much for that, Pete.  I might use a gentle brown-ish grey as I don't want it looking too realistic.  I want it to look like carefully laid train set track.  No painting of the nice, shiny rails for me (this time, anyway!).

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on January 30, 2018, 10:17:14 AM
Yes, I can envision that problem creeping in when it comes to N gauge.

Why bother building a pretend train set when the small size of N would permit a fully scenic 'real' model railway in the same space?

And I'm thinking here if Phoenix's masterpiece  :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: PeteW on January 30, 2018, 12:32:17 PM
I might use a gentle brown-ish grey as I don't want it looking too realistic.  I want it to look like carefully laid train set track.  No painting of the nice, shiny rails for me (this time, anyway!).

A perfectly valid approach, I think. I'd never thought of painting the rails until I started visiting here. Never heard of ballasting, either :doh: :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on January 30, 2018, 08:36:14 PM
You need to see what the ballast looks like when the glue is dry, mine looks different when the PVA is still visible.

The Kato sprinkly ballast is not an exact match for the moulded ballast to my eyes, but itís close - at least under my chosen lighting. You might have areas where the card/cork/baseboard shows through which gives a yellowy-brown tint, I was planning a second layer to cover these up but have decided that weathering will hide these well enough.

The main thing that I personally have come to dislike now Iíve got through 4 or 5 bags of the stuff is the black bits are noticabley larger in the sprinkly ballast.  Iíve actually started to (donít laugh!) spot paint these grey on some areas of the layout. If you look at some of my recent photos you might notice some zones are lacking in dead flies ;)

Many thanks for this, Steve; it is very helpful.

I am using a two-stage ballasting process.  First is dilute PVA brushed on to the card and ballast sprinkled on top.  When this is dry I then brush more ballast on to get the final profile, spray it with water and then drop on very dilute PVA.  The domestic 'Fairy Liquid' is used at the appropriate steps.  The tea cups are nice 'n' clean as well.

Thank you so much for the point about lighting.  Thee ballast appears to be a better match for the 'Unitrack' under the normal lighting, but when I switch on the addition lights for photography it looks less good.  However, I'll leave the ballast for ages so that it is properly dry before contemplating any further action.



Yes, I can envision that problem creeping in when it comes to N gauge.

Why bother building a pretend train set when the small size of N would permit a fully scenic 'real' model railway in the same space?

And I'm thinking here if Phoenix's masterpiece  :beers:

Thank you George; that's a very good question and it gives me the impetus to challenge my own thinking.

I understand that a lot of people are drawn to model the railways that they remember from childhood.  That has never really appealed to me.  Blue diesels, without the 'D' prefix, on a run-down railway diminished by the post-Beeching closures just about sums up my experience.  The little 'pugs' at the local coal mines were a different story, though... I loved them!  I got my first motorcycle just as the TOPS numbers were introduced and the mines either closed or the steam engines were, mostly, withdrawn.  That was the end of my interest in trains for a couple of years.

What I have an interest in doing is, I think, making a model of the kind of layouts that I saw in the catalogues and magazines when I was between 10 and 15.  This breaks that great rule of model railways: 'Don't make a model of a model!'

But, you are right  :thankyousign: - I ought to think if that is what I really want to do.

Thanks again, Gentlemen, and all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on February 06, 2018, 04:58:36 PM
Ballasting Complete, Sort Of!

My guess that the ballasting would take a week was slightly optimistic.  I have had a couple of business trips in that time, but I just about managed to use these positively to allow time for the ballast to dry.  It all has had a minimum of two 'coats' of ballast, with some sections having a final 'fill-in' as required.

Here is an aerial view of what the layout looks like now:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6222-060218164802.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61630)

I'll give it an inspection for any bald patches when I return from my next trip and then the track will be given a really good clean.  After that, I will be able to play with the trains again.

By the way, if anyone is thinking of doing something similar, this took a bit less than two bags of Kato ballast.   I did pack the spaces between the tracks with card to minimise the amount of ballast required, though.  The ovals sit on a baseboard 2m x 1m.

Many thanks for looking and all best wishes.

Toodle-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on February 06, 2018, 05:23:31 PM
Iím in the midst of ballasting my layout in a case.
Looking at yours I thought, Wow - What neat straight edges.
Then, Phew, of course itís Kato track.
Looks good though.
Iím looking forward to seeing trains running once again.
Keep up the goodly work.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on February 06, 2018, 08:34:26 PM
Coming on well. :thumbsup: That's a job I'm not looking forward to but it certainly makes a lot of difference when done.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on February 06, 2018, 09:37:24 PM
All looks pretty shipshape to me, John :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: JohnN on February 06, 2018, 10:58:52 PM
Looking good John.  :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on February 07, 2018, 08:22:28 AM
All looks pretty shipshape to me, John :thumbsup:

Thank you very much, NPN.

The big test will, I suppose, be if the ship sails!

Will, after a really good clean, the trains run and the points move?

I suppose, if I think about it, that fine grit, PVA and water are about the least sensible substances that one ought to allow anywhere near a model railway!

Thanks again and all the best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 08, 2018, 02:24:52 PM
 :hellosign: Nice work John, looking  very neat & tidy, hoping to emulate your skills shortly
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on February 09, 2018, 02:57:14 PM
Back from a business trip and the ballast appeared to be fully 'set'.

I think the Metcalfe platforms might be fun.  I have heard such good things about Metcalfe kits and have fancied building one for a while.  The generous ballast of the Kato 'Unitrack' means that the platforms need to be raised in order to end up with a reasonable height.  I used some 3/16" balsa for this.  I gave it a quick coat of grey paint and then carefully filled the gap between the track and the balsa with Kato loose ballast.  Hopefully, once the platform is stuck on top, the join between platform, balsa and ballast won't be too obvious.

Here's a photograph.  The strange, messy bit is the foundations for the station building and forecourt.  The other strange, messy bit is an undercoat for what will, hopefully, turn out to be an area filled with buildings of the type that tend to spring up around railway stations.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/61/6222-090218144711.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=61722)

I'll now give it all another clean and see if some trains will run.  If they do, they will be, mostly, Great Western.  Here's hoping...

Many thanks for looking and best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on February 09, 2018, 03:28:08 PM
Looks good :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on February 09, 2018, 03:36:39 PM
Itís certainly taking shape.
I think that youíll enjoy making up the Metcalfe kits.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: JohnN on February 09, 2018, 04:38:19 PM
I'm a big fan of the Metcalfe platform system. So easy to make any shape with them and you can also top them with plastic card, fine sand paper or printed textures etc to suit. The tarmac sheets provided are OK but there are often colour variations between sheets within a pack and the joins are  often difficult to hide completely. And not all platforms were tarmac.

Looking forward to seeing some GW running.  :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on February 09, 2018, 04:42:14 PM
Looks good :thumbsup:

Thank you, Steve.  But any credit for the ballasting of the Kato track belongs to you.  You advised me how to do it.  Thank you very much.

It’s certainly taking shape.
I think that you’ll enjoy making up the Metcalfe kits.

Many thanks, Martin.  It's maybe a sign of me getting older but I'm less happy with plastic and am increasingly drawn to old fashioned more 'natural' materials.  The card kits ought to be lovely but I've not worked with card since primary school!

Thanks, again and best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on February 09, 2018, 04:49:19 PM
All looks pretty shipshape to me, John :thumbsup:

Thank you very much, NPN.

The big test will, I suppose, be if the ship sails!

Will, after a really good clean, the trains run and the points move?

I suppose, if I think about it, that fine grit, PVA and water are about the least sensible substances that one ought to allow anywhere near a model railway!

Thanks again and all the best.

John

Update

Here we are then, will it run or have I completely gummed up the works with water, ballast and PVA?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fy0er42zi6hgyjt/After%20Ballasting.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/fy0er42zi6hgyjt/After%20Ballasting.MOV?dl=0)

Can I please take this opportunity to thank all Forum friends for their encouragement, whether by contributing to the thread or sending 'Thank You' messages?  This is really appreciated.

Thank you for looking and all the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on February 09, 2018, 05:42:23 PM
Can see any gum there! Nice to see trains moving. :thumbsup:
I agree, the help and information here is incredible. I thought I knew a fair bit but since I joined here I've learnt an awful lot more. :NGF: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: JohnN on February 09, 2018, 06:22:43 PM
Good to see trains running John. GW and Southern, your spoiling me.   :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on February 09, 2018, 06:51:55 PM
Thatís all tickety boo.
Very smooth running - great news.
If we werenít doing dry February here Iíd raise a glass to you.  :beers:

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on February 09, 2018, 06:59:14 PM
Thatís all tickety boo.
Very smooth running - great news.
If we werenít doing dry February here Iíd raise a glass to you.  :beers:

Thank you, Martin.

Yes: much, much, much better than dry January.

Toodle-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on February 09, 2018, 07:49:56 PM
Definitely All looking tickety-boo John. Not dry here, so Iíve raised a glass in celebration.   ;)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on February 09, 2018, 08:23:23 PM
Good to see all was a success. Maybe the layout could be named 'Little Chipping' :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 09, 2018, 11:24:13 PM
 :hellosign: The link to your video says unavailable to me  :'(  looking forward to more
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on February 10, 2018, 08:41:59 AM
:hellosign: The link to your video says unavailable to me  :'(  looking forward to more
     regards Derek.

Many thanks, Derek

I'm awfully sorry about that.  I've absolutely no idea what went wrong but it was probably my fault.  I am a silly sausage with regard to matters digital.  I called Poppy Puss to assist (she is refusing to go out this morning due to the vile weather) and it the link-type thing appears to be working again.

Being a practical cat, Poppy has also seen fit to attach your own personal link-type thing, here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fy0er42zi6hgyjt/After%20Ballasting.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/fy0er42zi6hgyjt/After%20Ballasting.MOV?dl=0)

I hope this works.

Thanks again and all best wishes.

John (and Poppy)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on February 10, 2018, 08:53:40 AM
Good to see trains running John. GW and Southern, your spoiling me.   :D

Thanks very much, John.  I'm delighted you liked seeing them running.

Union Mills locomotives, of course.  Its GWR range went from zero to three absolute beauties in as many years.  The 'T9' is an older model but a lovely engine.  I cannot recommend them enough for an operationally-focussed layout like the Table-Top Railway.

They are, as you can see in the film, a tad susceptible to a good lurch* at any of the Kato 'Unitrack' joins that are slightly uneven.  Now that the track is ballasted, the P Way people will get their tools out and attend to any errant joints.  In the meantime, the footplate crews hang on to the cab sides.

*4-4-0s in particular and especially the two 'Dukedogs'.  All to do with weight distribution I expect.

Thanks again and all the very best.

John 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: JohnN on February 10, 2018, 09:51:51 AM
I received a few locos from the estate of a friend and ex-neighbour who sadly passed last year. One of them was a UM Dean Goods (not a Collet 0.6.0 as I mistakenly posted elsewhere) and it is probably my best runner. So quiet and smooth. I definitely want to get a few more in the not too distant future including a Dukedog.

So I can see why you and others are such big fans of them.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 10, 2018, 10:02:01 PM
:hellosign: The link to your video says unavailable to me  :'(  looking forward to more
     regards Derek.

Many thanks, Derek


I'm awfully sorry about that.  I've absolutely no idea what went wrong but it was probably my fault.  I am a silly sausage with regard to matters digital.  I called Poppy Puss to assist (she is refusing to go out this morning due to the vile weather) and it the link-type thing appears to be working again.

Being a practical cat, Poppy has also seen fit to attach your own personal link-type thing, here:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/fy0er42zi6hgyjt/After%20Ballasting.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/fy0er42zi6hgyjt/After%20Ballasting.MOV?dl=0)

I hope this works.

Thanks again and all best wishes.

John (and Poppy)
:hellosign: Many thanks John & Poppy, this link works OK, always good to see trains running especially after ballasting  :thumbsup:
      regards Derek. 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on February 25, 2018, 05:00:47 PM
Prescient Port Perran!

Iím certain that steam will come to the rescue on the Harrogate to Hartington branch when BR find themselves somewhat embarrassed by a lack of operational diesels.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6222-250218160719.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62249)

Earlier in the year our good friend Martin, writing from faraway Cornwall, predicted that BR(NE)'s plan to turn the Harrogate to Hartington line over to exclusive diesel working, in order to gain experience with modern traction, would come a cropper.

Given the unfortunate circumstances which occurred earlier today in Harrogate, the choice was either to cancel the through Edinburgh train or to work it by steam.  The Harrogate station master, mindful of York's instruction regarding the importance of progress, was about to cancel the train when he spotted Messrs Bennett and Farnon striding towards an empty first class compartment.  Stationmasterly discretion immediately outranked Officialdom's progress and No. 60527 Sun Chariot, which was conveniently whiling away the afternoon in the station, was commandeered to take the train forward.  The A2/3, being from Aberdeen, did not resist the opportunity to head in a homeward direction.

I was fortunate enough to be loitering around Brawton station when the big 'Pacific' arrived.  Progress was in evidence in the Darrowby bay platform in the shape of BR Derby 'Type 2' Bo-Bo No. D5031 going nothing with a couple of vans.  I asked 60527's driver if he would leave the 'A2/3' here at Brawton and take the train forward with the 'Type 2'.  I was given to understand that this was not likely.  The guard's whistle blew and the 'Pacific' made a storming start from Brawton, on time.     
 

** I fancied the Graham Farish 'Type 2' and Hatton's had the 'A2/3' in their 'Bargains' section at a price I was unable to resist.  Both arrived promptly as is Hatton's way.  The 'Type 2', even after careful running-in, made a strange rubbing noise from its insides.  The 'A2/3' was even worse as it kept sliding along as if running away with the brakes fully on and the wheels locked.  I tried the old trick of loosening the 'keeper plate' a tad but this did not help.

Two new locomotives and two failures!  I spoke to Brian at Hatton's, who could not have been more helpful, and replacements soon arrived.  I had a brief opportunity to test them before business activities got in the way of train set time for a couple of weeks.  Both the replacements were fine.  I have given them a good run today and hope to play with them over the next couple of days as well. I am pleased with their performance.

I wonder if wheel-locking might be a potential hazard with a plastic push-along locomotive (tender-drive!) having outside valve gear.  The heavy metal Union Mills engines with inside valve gear have not given me trouble.  The combination of less weight and greater resistance might not always be a happy one.  Or maybe I was just unlucky.

Many thanks for looking and all best wishes.

Cheerie-bye!

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on February 25, 2018, 06:34:27 PM
Two lovely locomotives indeed.
Sorry that the initial two were somewhat faulty but Iím pleased thay you received replacements with no fuss.
I always liked the A2s out of all the E/NE pacifics. They looked more refined and less bullish than the others (to my eyes anyway).
And I also like the D50xx Bo-Bos - especially with no warning panels.
Looking forward to seeing them run.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 25, 2018, 08:13:52 PM
 :hellosign: Two very nice additions John, glad to hear Hattons did the right thing by you.
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 02, 2018, 04:29:03 PM
Two lovely locomotives indeed.
Sorry that the initial two were somewhat faulty but Iím pleased thay you received replacements with no fuss.
I always liked the A2s out of all the E/NE pacifics. They looked more refined and less bullish than the others (to my eyes anyway).
And I also like the D50xx Bo-Bos - especially with no warning panels.
Looking forward to seeing them run.

Having spent hours digging the car out of the snow and clearing the public road (the council will be very busy elsewhere)  :cold: I thought that I deserved some train set time.  Poppy has taken umbrage at the snow and has spent the day eating, sleeping and declining to go out.

***

I wandered down to the station earlier today - no snow here on 2 March 1961 - and took a 'Super 8' film of a Down train as the light was best placed for this.  By great good fortune it was hauled by 'A2/3' No. 60527 Sun Chariot.  Her condition was a credit to Ferryhill shed in Aberdeen, although I expect that she was cleaned somewhere to the south before her journey back to the ScR; Starbeck or Neville Hill perhaps...  The diesel-only from 1 January 1961 plan for the Harrogate to Hartington line appears to have run into some difficulties.  The local rumour is that the steam heating boilers on the new diesel locomotives are not particularly reliable. 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/bfm1ojsc9jqrre5/A2-3.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/bfm1ojsc9jqrre5/A2-3.MOV?dl=0)

I agree, Martin, that the 'A2/3' class are fine-looking locomotives.  I will attempt to avoid getting drawn into the discussion about Mr Thomson, but I think it's fair to say that classes 'A2/1' and 'A2/2' were less attractive.  Class 'A2' is, maybe, slightly better.  I understand that the performance of classes 'A2/1' and 'A2/2' left something to be desired, which is probably why, at the time of writing, only 'A2/2' No. 60502 Earl Marischal remains in service, over at York. 

Many thanks for looking and all good wishes.

Cheerio!

John

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on March 02, 2018, 04:43:05 PM
Sun Chariot indeed looks superb in 1961 at the head of that rake of coaching stock.
Hopefully, you dodnít get too chilled dealing with the snow. That which we had here on Wednesday and Thursday (which whilst not a huge amount, was lots for West Cornwall) is now melting fast. The temp here has risen to a balmy 5degrees and the wind has dropped to a slight breeze. Positively balmy compared to the last 2 days.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 05, 2018, 08:36:33 PM
A Diesel in Action

Whilst diesel availability on passenger trains between Harrogate and Hartington has been low over the past few days, due to difficulties with the steam heating boilers, freight trains are generally diesel-worked.  BR Derby 'Type 2' Bo-Bo No. D5031 is a regular on the route.  Here it is on the Down line at Brawton with a featherweight through freight train.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vx08cz12llntbn/Derby%20Type%202.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/9vx08cz12llntbn/Derby%20Type%202.MOV?dl=0)

** As I mentioned earlier, this is a replacement 'Type 2' as the first one made worrying noises and would not run slowly.  This one (thank you Hatton's for excellent service) is running in satisfactorily.

I hope to start work on the platforms soon so this will, hopefully, be the last time Brawton station looks like this on the Forum.  I'm actually a bit nervous, as all my previous attempts at layouts have ground to a halt somewhere in the early stages of scenic development.  There have been various reasons for this such as moving house, realising '0' gauge would not work in the space available (for passenger trains, at least) and simply getting bored!  From about this point my useful experience tails off.  I suppose the benefit is that, unless I really mess things up, the scenic work from now on won't affect the running of the layout.  I appear to have been lucky with the ballast which has hardened nicely and has not caused points failures.  Certainly the trains are running very well indeed as one would expect with what is, effectively, a double-track train set.  The only point of interest is that it is, at 2m x 1m, a British 'N' gauge train set built in a space that might otherwise be used for 'H0/00'.

Thank you very much for looking.

With all good wishes.

John 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on March 05, 2018, 09:17:49 PM
I have 4 of those Type 2's, John, and they are so quiet on the layout I have to keep checking where they've got to :laugh:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 05, 2018, 09:40:44 PM
Thanks very much, Mick; that's encouraging.  This one is settling in well.  It's not as quiet (yet?) as my Dapol NBL 'Type 2' B-B.  But the NBL's lights have failed - first one end, then the other.  I'll send it off to the people that deal with Dapol's warranty claims.

Of my four BR diesels, two were faulty on delivery and were replaced by Hatton's. One has developed a fault after a few months.  Only the Deltic, D9007, Pinza has been completely satisfactory.  The Kato diesels on my US layout have all been perfect.  I did drive one off the baseboard and onto a quarry tile floor four feet down (I caught myself out with the flywheel's momentum).  The only damage was a broken front coupling!

I'm still very much learning about British 'N' gauge and it's far too early for me to comment.  But it's certainly proving to be interesting.

Thanks again and all the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on March 06, 2018, 08:16:03 AM
I do hope that you manage to keep your interest going with your current layout John.
Iím sure that youíll make good progress with the scenery - bring it on.
And I love seeing powerful locos on short trains - something we saw a lot in the 60s.
Martin
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Milton Rail on March 06, 2018, 10:44:39 AM
Nice looking loco's and great updates ... I have just ordered an A3 and will rename it as 60061 "Pretty Polly" 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on March 06, 2018, 08:55:41 PM
Confidence my friend. It's a learning process we all go through and are still going through. If you make a mistake, don't worry do it again without the mistake! :)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 06, 2018, 09:26:48 PM
 :hellosign: I hope all goes well John, look forward to seeing more of the Table Top Railway, ask Poppy, you know you can  :thumbsup:
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 06, 2018, 09:51:16 PM
Thank You for the Encouragement

As you said, Derek, ask Poppy.  She sat beside me and supervised the commencement of platform construction.  She then fell fast asleep and left me to my own devices.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6222-060318213831.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62657)

Here's the platform progress thus far.  It's the excellent Metcalfe components attached to 3/8" balsa strips.  At least it is a start!

We had a fair bit more snow this morning and then a major thaw.  Here's what the view from the window looked like before the melting commenced:-

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6222-060318214452.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62658)

Many thanks for looking and for the encouragement.

With all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 07, 2018, 09:50:22 PM
 :hellosign: Nice start John, thanks for the update
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 08, 2018, 09:41:53 AM
Confidence my friend. It's a learning process we all go through and are still going through. If you make a mistake, don't worry do it again without the mistake! :)


Thank you very much, Brian.  I have repeated your wise words to myself as I continue building the platforms.  Here's where I have got to now:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6222-080318093538.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62701)

Work in progress and what a mess!  But the important thing is that I am keeping going.  I even found myself using a coloured pencil (Indian Red) for the first time in well over 40 years.

It's a lovely spring morning (what a change from last week's Narnia) and it's Railway Modeller day.  Excitement +++!

Thank you for looking.

Best wishes, and special thanks and kindest regards to Brian.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on March 08, 2018, 11:55:38 AM
Thatís not a mess. Thatís tidy.
I could show you a mess!
Keep up the excellent work - looking good.
Martin
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on March 08, 2018, 08:46:34 PM
Far too tidy :no:
Looking good and I hope you enjoyed using your coloured pencil. I've got some of those watercolour pencils and to wet them I lick them.   :P I wish they'd make them flavoured.  :worried:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 09, 2018, 09:27:39 PM
I think the splendid people at the GWSR managed to build their platforms at Broadway with a lot less fuss than I made of the two, well three actually, platforms on the Table-Top Railway.  But they are now finished - sort of.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6222-090318210625.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62751)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6222-090318210707.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62753)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6222-090318210735.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62754)

The Metcalfe platform system is very good.  The special adhesive covers for the platform surface joins are a bit too obvious in the photographs, but not as bad in reality.  The basic butt joins were, in retrospect, perhaps more discrete than the concealed joins.  I know where the footbridge will go!

The final result is far from the perfection of Wrenton or Port Perran, but is sort of, hopefully, identifiable as a platform.  Will it be replaced later when/if I get better at this sort of thing?  Maybe.  Will it do for now?  I think so.  After all, this is a train set trying and failing to be a model railway.

'Gauge Testing' was done with a pair of Dukedogs as the outside frames make these the widest locomotives on the Table-Top Railway.  Fortunately the planning work was correct and the locomotives took an Up through train and a Down local through the station without bashing anything.  There is an exotic-looking, but smelly, vision of the future in Platform 3.

Thank you for looking and for the kind encouragement which enabled me to get this far.

With all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on March 09, 2018, 09:34:07 PM
Looking good.  A layout starts to come alive when trains have things to weave between 8)

On that note, cats like a selection of signals to chew.  Just sayin' :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on March 09, 2018, 09:59:23 PM
That looks excellent John.
I hadnít realised that the platforms are staggered - an unusual feature which works well.
Looking forward to seeing the buildings added.
Great fun.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on March 09, 2018, 10:26:58 PM
+1 to all above. :thumbsup:
Don't knock what you've done. :no: You've done it and it looks good and hopefully you've had fun doing it.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on March 09, 2018, 11:29:37 PM
Coming along very nicely.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 09, 2018, 11:39:08 PM
 :hellosign: Looking good John,
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on March 10, 2018, 06:37:38 AM
Your Metcalf platforms are much better than my rather tatty thing.  I have covered it with home made slabs but I may well move on to scratch building (when I get the time!).
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 10, 2018, 09:58:08 AM
Thank You Very Much

 :thankyousign: for the very kind posts and 'Thank You' messages regarding platform progress.  This is greatly appreciated :beers:.

Looking good.  A layout starts to come alive when trains have things to weave between 8)

On that note, cats like a selection of signals to chew.  Just sayin' :D


Thank you, Steve.  Poppy has been showing concern at the lack of Absolute Block Working on a secondary main line.  I assumed that she had become a 'Protocat' but now all is clear - she has an ulterior motive!  But she is correct; the train sets of the 1920s-1960s era, which are my inspiration for the Table-Top Railway, often had impressive arrays of semaphore signals.  The manufacturers clearly liked to include these in their product ranges.  Fortunately, Dapol (and others) continue with this helpful tradition.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6222-100318092508.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62763)

I have this signal for use as a template.  Now that the platform ramps are in place, I'll work out the location of the signals.  I'll probably have only three: Up Platform Starting, Down Platform Starting and Branch Line Platform Starting.  But just in case I take the notion later, I'll work out locations for the Advanced Starting and Home signals.

That looks excellent John.
I hadn’t realised that the platforms are staggered - an unusual feature which works well.
Looking forward to seeing the buildings added.
Great fun.


Many thanks, Martin.  The staggered platforms are worryingly prototypical for a train set, which really ought to have parallel platforms!  The 'Back Loops' are laid out to accept a big locomotive (a 'Pacific' or EE 'Type 4' 1Co-Co1) and four carriages, so I thought that it would be a good idea for the platforms to accommodate this length of train.  The prototypical trailing connections from the Up line to the goods yard and the Down line to the Branch line platform dictated that my chosen platform length could only be achieved by staggered platforms.  I was agreeably surprised by how much I like the end result.  It will also require me to build a footbridge with the steps on opposite sides, rather then the normal '[' shape, which might be an interesting feature.


Rather than proceeding with the station buildings straight away, I think I'll pay some attention to the goods yard.  Does anyone have any opinions on the relative merits of the Peco or Metcalfe goods sheds?  I have ruled out the Ratio one at present, as it is stone-built and the platforms are brick.

Incidentally, I am aware that the arrangements for the goods yard will have important implications for the general tone of the model.


Thanks again for all your encouragement.

With all good wishes.

John (and Poppy!)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Masher69 on March 10, 2018, 10:33:43 AM
Re staggered platforms some of the stations on the old Berwick to St Boswells line were staggered so why not. For the footbridge I have just completed the P&D Marsh NER footbridge which is an excellent model. From memory they have others.

 Beginning to take shape.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on March 10, 2018, 11:04:19 AM
I can think of lots of cases of staggered platforms.  In some cases, where there was a level crossing, the platforms were either side of the road to allow the gates to be opened when the train was standing at the platform.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 11, 2018, 09:13:38 PM
Thinking About the Goods Yard

Having made some progress with the station platforms, I have turned my attention to the goods yard.  These were very much a feature of stations in the 1920-1961 period and were often included in the model railways of that era which are the inspiration for the Table-Top Railway.  I suppose modellers of the present-day railway include a roughly triangular car park and that's it!  I had thought of the general layout of the goods yard at the initial track-laying stage - two sidings and a headshunt - and the points are in place and operational.

Now is the time to finalise the layout of the sidings.  This made me think about goods yards on model railways.  I wonder how many see much operational use.  I suppose on branch line terminus layouts they do, but what about double track oval layouts?  I have an inkling that the wagons in the goods yard might remain undisturbed for a while on many layouts of this type.  My preference in British 'N' gauge is running trains and I'm not convinced that I would spend much time shunting the goods yard.  Rather than it being, largely, a scenic feature, I thought how I could make best operational use of it.

I'm not a great enthusiast for hidden staging yards and the 'Back Loops' are intended as a scenic staging yard capable of holding four trains.  With this in mind, could the goods yard not also act as a scenic staging yard?  The two sidings in the goods yard would allow the Up line (the 'inside' loop) to accommodate three trains rather than two: two goods and one passenger.  Before I could change my mind, I relayed the two sidings to each accommodate a locomotive and nine wagons, plus brake van.
   
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6222-110318204304.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62838)

Here are the sidings laid with 3/16" balsa in place.  The plan is that this will be covered with a sheet representing cobbles.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6222-110318204619.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62841)

Here is the yard with two goods trains: the GWR/SR one is on the 'Coal Siding' and the LMS/LNER one is on the 'Goods Shed Siding'.  Incidentally, there is plenty of space before the fouling point although the photograph suggests otherwise.  In operation, there will normally be only one train in the goods yard at a time as the other will either be out on the line or in a 'Back Loop'.  This operating arrangement is nowhere near prototypical, I accept, but is likely to be good fun as it allows an additional train on the layout.

I should be grateful for any thoughts regarding whether this arrangement makes sense in the context of a 'train set' layout, with the focus on running trains rather than shunting.

Things usually have a cost and this arrangement probably requires a level Coal Siding.  Nothing unusual with that, of course.  But the old NER used coal cells and these would require an incline on the Coal Siding which I don't think would be helpful.  The capacity for an additional train will likely require us to, sadly, say goodbye to Brawton, Junction for the Darrowby Branch.

Many thanks for looking and all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on March 11, 2018, 09:44:34 PM
I prefer visible staging too. This is just to stimulate the grey matter. Why for the addition of an extra train on the layout are you having to do away with the Darrowby Branch? Can you alter the two sidings you have there to allow for the junction? Yours is a train set layout. Train set layouts are built for fun not authentic accuracy. Do what you want and have fun. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 12, 2018, 11:47:12 AM
I prefer visible staging too. This is just to stimulate the grey matter. Why for the addition of an extra train on the layout are you having to do away with the Darrowby Branch? Can you alter the two sidings you have there to allow for the junction? Yours is a train set layout. Train set layouts are built for fun not authentic accuracy. Do what you want and have fun. :thumbsup:

Thank you very much, Brian.  You certainly have stimulated what little grey matter I have.  The branch line is connected to the Down line and is unaffected by any goings-on in the goods yard which is connected to the Up line.  The reason for having to do away with Brawton, Junction for the Darrowby Branch is that, without the coal cells, it would not be like an NER station.  Clearly, from James Herriot's novels, Brawton and Darrowby are located in former NER territory.

I am, perhaps, getting into difficulty with my 'train set trying and failing to be a model railway' philosophy by, as you suggest, thinking too much about authentic accuracy.  I'll see what the grey matter comes up with and I'll think carefully about Mr Goodall's quote below, which is an excellent summary of the approach I am attempting to take with this layout.

Thanks again and all the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on March 12, 2018, 12:16:45 PM
John. I thnk you are corect about scenic goods  yards. I hold my hands up - my own two goods yards do indeed lay undisturbed. I have little interest in shunting but, as I have created a scenic layout, I feel I need a readonably prototypical goods yard.
For your train set concept however I feel that you have license to be creative.
Cannot the two goods sidings be loops to allow trains to be stored - even goods loops (allowing goods trains to let important passenger trains pass) with the addition of goods loading/unloading facilities?
Or am I misteading the situation or complicating it perhaps?
Just my musings.
Martin
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 12, 2018, 03:32:37 PM
John. I thnk you are corect about scenic goods  yards. I hold my hands up - my own two goods yards do indeed lay undisturbed. I have little interest in shunting but, as I have created a scenic layout, I feel I need a readonably prototypical goods yard.
For your train set concept however I feel that you have license to be creative.
Cannot the two goods sidings be loops to allow trains to be stored - even goods loops (allowing goods trains to let important passenger trains pass) with the addition of goods loading/unloading facilities?
Or am I misteading the situation or complicating it perhaps?
Just my musings.
Martin


Many thanks for this, Martin.  The two sidings form a typical small station goods yard and I don't think that it would be practicable to convert them to loops.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6222-120318151225.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62856)
The '3F' 0-6-0 No. 3214 is in the 'Goods Shed Siding' with a train of 'nine plus brake van'.  Goods shed still to be built!

The 'Back Loops' are at the other side of the layout and were designed to allow for a large locomotive and four carriages:-

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6222-120318151611.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62857)

My original plan was to have four trains for the main line part of the layout and one for the branch line.  Using the goods yard, to a certain extent, as a scenic staging yard allows for five trains to be available for service on the main line and maintains the appearance of a typical goods yard.  As you say, this is an important feature of a scenic layout.

And it was a scenic feature that caused the problem; for a station in the former NER territory, the coal facilities would be 'coal cells'.  So typical of the NER and uncommon, but certainly not unheard of, elsewhere.  I don't fancy backing a 'full length' goods train up the gradient to the coal cells so it was looking like a level coal siding.  This would have been wrong for the NER and, therefore, could the layout be, on certain running days, Brawton, Junction for Darrowby?  Brian hinted that I ought to think some more and I have been!

All the very best.

John 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 12, 2018, 04:03:03 PM
Good News - The 'James Herriot Characters' can Remain!

The grey matter has been called into service, as Brian suggested, and a solution has been found.  On certain running days the station can still be Brawton, Junction for Darrowby.  I'm delighted at this because the Herriot characters are such good fun.

Here's how:

I thought about Mr Goodall's words (below); I am not building a model railway which is a replica of a particular station, but I want a train set layout which is railway-like.  'Borrow from reality' as he expressed it.  The branch line platform arrangement is very loosely based on Alne.  I then had another look at my diagram for Alne, in double track days, to see what the goods yard arrangement was like.  And then I noticed it... there were two yards; a 'normal' goods yard by the station and the coal cells further south, with a connection off what looks like a Down Loop.  There also appeared to be an Up Loop (unfortunately the diagram does not go far enough south to establish that these are loops, but is unlikely that the NER would have an Up siding with a facing point.  So, in the absence of any other available evidence, I'll go for two loops south of the station.

That was it!  The coal cells for the layout could be off the Up Loop rather than in the goods yard.  I immediately installed another turnout and mocked up the rest:-
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6222-120318154733.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62864)

Coal cells were, I understand, about 10 feet high, so a 10mm rise on the track and the 'Sundeala' cut away will give 20mm - tickety-boo!

With the additional turnout in place, will a standard length goods train of 'Nine and Brake Van' clear the shortened loop?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/62/6222-120318155239.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=62866)

Yes!  I've been lucky today.

Many thanks for looking and special thanks to Brian and Martin for their encouragement.

Toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on March 12, 2018, 05:10:20 PM
Good news.
Looking forward to the progress.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on March 12, 2018, 08:35:10 PM
Great :thumbsup: I'm glad you've got it solved. Looking forward to seeing the coal drops.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 13, 2018, 11:48:22 PM
 :hellosign: Glad all is sorted to your satisfaction John, I also am definetly in the visible yard/ sidings camp. Looking forward to developments
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 18, 2018, 08:39:19 PM
A Brief Diversion

I have occasionally mentioned Sandrock, my US 'N Scale' layout on which progress stalled when I discovered Union Mills.  I knew for many years that I liked 'N Gauge' and British railways, but previous efforts at combining these had not been happy.  I found out about Kato US models about nine years ago and these were a revelation.  I quickly decided that I could have fun with 'N', just not British 'N Gauge'.

Over the past year Sandrock had become a depository for things and stuff, and an adventure playground for Poppy.  My plans for today were snowed off so, in a moment of enthusiasm, I cleared the front half of Sandrock and enough of the hidden staging to have the Eastbound Track clear.  And, for the first time in goodness knows how long, ran a short train!
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-180318202720.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63102)

Sandrock, a US 'N Scale', mostly Kato, layout featuring the AT&SF with far too much 'Uncle Pete'. Sandrock was pinched from the 1946 film, The Harvey Girls, with its great song 'On the Atchison, Topeka and the Santa Fe'.

Here's the train running:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/l47sfwfpc4b2m11/Sandrock%201.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/l47sfwfpc4b2m11/Sandrock%201.MOV?dl=0)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gj2njr6n7itl5xy/Sandrock%202.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/gj2njr6n7itl5xy/Sandrock%202.MOV?dl=0)

As I said, a brief diversion.  Back to Blighty next time and, hopefully, steam locomotives*.
 
Many thanks for looking.

All the best.

John

*AT&SF steam locomotives were particularly good, but water was a problem in the South-West and the railway dieselized with enthusiasm.



Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 19, 2018, 06:58:57 AM
Great diversion John  :thankyousign:

I hear excellent things about Kato locos, maybe my next layout will be US themed!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 20, 2018, 09:36:28 PM
Back to British Steam and a Bit of Bother

My plan to use the goods yard as a scenic staging yard has enabled the two yard sidings to be used to hold a couple of goods trains which can go out for a run around the layout whenever I like.  After this they stop beyond the trailing turnout to the yard and then reverse into the yard.  Then LMS '3F' 0-6-0 No. 3214 put its rear tender wheels on the ballast.  Oh, bother!
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-200318203632.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63161)

[A Union Mills '3F' has come a cropper on a Kato #6 turnout - time to investigate!]

I have tried to avoid facing points on the layout unless necessary.  The back loops have one on each of the Up and Down lines in order to gain access to the loops.  These facing points have a 45mm straight track between them and the curve that comes before, as a facing point immediately following a curve caused problems during testing.  Even this was not enough in all instances and I created 'joggles' in the stock rails to house the switch.  This did the trick.

But here's the obvious - a trailing point becomes a facing point during a reversing movement!  And in order to allow the maximum length for the Up platform, I did not include a 45mm straight track between the yard turnout and the curve.  I did not think that the goods yard would see much traffic and was willing to accept the compromise.  But with the frequent use that the yard will now see, a solution was required.

I was very reluctant to lift the ballasted track to file the housing in the stock rail that I have previously loosely described as a joggle.  It was best done in situ and that was a job for the ancient mini-drill and a worryingly dentist-looking implement.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-200318210839.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63165)

Incidentally, No. 3214 never derailed on the points in the yard, only on the points leading to the yard, which come immediately after a curve when running in reverse.  The points in the yard appear to have sufficient straight track beforehand to prevent derailments.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-200318210444.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63164)

In the very unlikely event that any of these ramblings are of interest or use to a fellow Forum member, the amount of the rail head that one wants to file or otherwise cut away is about the amount to the right of the rule:-

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-200318211144.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63166)

It's much easier to show this on a bigger scale!

No. 3214 is now happy reversing into the yard and I'm enjoying having five trains available for service on the layout.

Many thanks for looking.

Toodle-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on March 20, 2018, 09:45:58 PM
An excellent solution to any problematic point. Glad the two sidings version is proving successful.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on March 21, 2018, 06:44:19 AM
Sorry to hear about your problems with the point, now happily solved.  One good thing about Peco points, for all their faults, is that trains (all mine, at least) are quite happy on facing points after a curve.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on March 21, 2018, 07:27:48 AM
Excellent solution John. Pleased that it worked out, although a very intricate solution. I do find that reversing manoeuvres across points can cause problems, especially with empty wagons. I donít run steam but wonder if it is the same issue with tenders. It seems that n gauge can have ďweight problemsĒ, unusually in the modern day, due to lack of it!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on March 21, 2018, 07:36:50 AM
Your ramblings are very interesting. Rest assured, there are people following, me included here in Oz! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 21, 2018, 07:48:08 AM
Sorry to hear about your problems with the point, now happily solved.  One good thing about Peco points, for all their faults, is that trains (all mine, at least) are quite happy on facing points after a curve.

I like Peco points (I like most Peco things, though!).  They have a housing for the switch very neatly machined into the stock rail which prevents a lot of difficulties, I think.  Kato has decided to use plain stock rails which is why I had to resort to these modifications.

The troubles were most likely to occur with 0-6-0 and 0-8-0 locomotives and tender engines running in reverse.  And almost always on the diverging road.  Locomotives with a front bogie generally were fine running forward - the bogie doing what is meant to do.

There is an important point about Kato points, both #4 and #6.  They have never given me any problems whatsoever when used with Kato locomotives.  Kato products are, I believe, very much a system and a really fine system at that.  I suppose that Kato is, in some respects, similar to Marklin 'H0' (and 'Mini-Club too!) in this regard.

John

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on March 21, 2018, 07:48:17 AM
Very good solution John.
And please do keep rambling away - keeps me entertained for one.
Martin
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on March 21, 2018, 10:07:18 AM
Sorry to hear about your problems with the point, now happily solved.  One good thing about Peco points, for all their faults, is that trains (all mine, at least) are quite happy on facing points after a curve.

I must admit I have facing points all over my layout(s) and agree with Laurence about Peco points.
That looks to be quite a piece of meat taken off the railhead but, hey, if it works then fair play to you, John :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 21, 2018, 05:17:27 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks John your ramblings are very interesting & potentially very useful as a fellow Kato user. My own personal experience with the "6" points is all good so far, even with a couple of facing points, but not tested steamers yet thanks again.
       regards Derek
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Milton Rail on March 23, 2018, 01:48:58 PM
Will add my name to the roster of those who enjoy your posts :) 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 23, 2018, 04:42:50 PM
I'm Planning for a Steamy Weekend

Diesels are all fine and good, as is British Railways, but only in moderation.  Poppy and I have decided that this weekend will be a Strictly Steam and Foaming Ale Gala on the Table-Top Railway.  'Big Four' era, of course.  And 100% Union Mills motive power, including the crimson lake 'Prince of Wales' class Enchantress that Martin (Port Perran) likes.  There will probably even be two trains hauled by 'Serene & Delightful' locomotives in action at the same time.

There has been a bit of a tidy-up, and the diesels and crimson and coaches have been hidden.  Poppy then mentioned that all these diesels will have likely spilled some fuel oil on the track so we had better clean the rails.

A quick digression: any motor-bicyclists reading this are likely to have their own decided view on diesel spills.  Non-spill tanks on diesel road vehicles out to be a legal requirement.  End of digression.

Poppy and I then happily got busy with the meths and our collection of sparkling wine corks.  Working away quietly...  "Wait a minute," I thought, "Poppy is never quiet this long."  Yes, the P. Way gang had been reduced to one.  "Where's Poppy?"
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-230318162826.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63280)

In the interests of full disclosure, I had better point out that these are, of course, Mrs Train Waiting's new cushions.

I had better get a move on and finish the track cleaning.

I'll try to post a couple of pictures of the more unusual trains running during the Strictly Steam and Foaming Ale Gala.  I have told Poppy that there is a rumour that a 'Long Tom' might make an appearance.

Thank you for looking and I hope you have a spiffing weekend.

Toodle-oo.

Poppy and John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: JohnN on March 23, 2018, 04:54:38 PM
Looking forward to the festival of (UM) steam. Always a delight to watch.  :thumbsup:

I do hope I won't have to put up with too much tantilising ale that I can see but not consume. There are no model shops round here that sell it. If only there was some kind of specialist shop for beer.  :hmmm:

We have opted to have no comfy furniture we can sit on. However, Joey our cavalier does have a sofa and no less than 3 armchairs. Woe betide us if he catches us on them.  :doh:

Toodle pip right back at you and regards to Poppy.  :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on March 23, 2018, 09:13:11 PM
Poppy looks very relaxed after she'd dictated that post to you to post, John :)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on March 23, 2018, 10:22:08 PM
Enjoy the running and foaming ales.
Iím away at my daughterís in Bath (only a stone throw from the serene and delightful or slow and dirty depending on your outliok) so Iíll be imagining those
SDJR locos steaming away.
I do hope that Poppy pulls hee weight and helps with the running.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: BoxTunnel on March 23, 2018, 10:48:09 PM
A quick digression: any motor-bicyclists reading this are likely to have their own decided view on diesel spills.  Non-spill tanks on diesel road vehicles out to be a legal requirement.  End of digression.

I couldn't agree more John, and I'm sure poppy does too when she finds her traction compromised whilst escaping the local mutts.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 24, 2018, 04:30:36 PM
The Table-Top Railway's Spring Steam Gala Weekend has started with glorious sunshine.  I've been in the garden for much of the day but the gala continues...

Here are some 'behind the scenes' pictures from before opening time.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-240318162040.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63332)

The foaming ale and some foodstuffs arrive behind 'Long Tom'.  We did promise Poppy that this would appear.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-240318162219.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63333)

Seen in the distance is coaching stock waiting in the 'Back Loops' - one train for each of the 'Big Four'.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-240318162358.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63334)

The locomotives for the 'Steamy Weekend' have taken over the goods yard and bay platform.

Pip-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 25, 2018, 10:17:53 PM
The 'Strictly Steam and Foaming Ale Gala' continued today in spite of the weather.  Lovely sunshine and lots of time in the garden!

I made a point of running some unusual workings and the layout was well-behaved.  The major track cleaning session on Friday was time well spent in this regard.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-250318214050.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63389)

['Prince of Wales' class 4-6-0 No. 5604 Enchantress approaches the 'Back Loops' on the Up main line.]

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-250318214240.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63390)

[This was a popular train as it conveyed one of these lovely LNER teak buffet carriages which had a good supply of refreshments.  'D20' 4-4-0 No. 2024 and 'D11' 4-4-0 No. 6397 The Lady of the Lake leaving the Down platform...]


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-250318215049.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63391)

[... shortly after which S&DJR '3F' 0-6-0 No. 66 pilots '2P' 4-4-0 No. 40 into the Up platform with a train of Southern stock.]

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-250318215351.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63392)

[And, finally, 'Dean Goods' No. 2537 pilots 'Dukedog' No. 3204 round the curve to the south of the station.]

Hopefully, I have the position of the pilot engine correct for the LNER, S&DJR and GWR.  Obviously the lovely Enchantress is on her own, as the lordly LNWR considered a pilot engine to be a Midland affectation.  Surely the crimson lake livery is indignity enough (although, to my eye, it looks wonderful)!

Many thanks for looking and all best wishes.

Tickety-tonk.

John

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on March 26, 2018, 06:36:12 AM
A beautiful set of pre-war locos!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on March 26, 2018, 08:57:08 AM
What a smashing collection of locomotives.
Great pictures.
How did the ale go down?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 26, 2018, 07:59:15 PM
A beautiful set of pre-war locos!

Thank you, Laurence.  Yes, I like the colourful liveries.  Union Mills uses a gloss finish on non-black locomotives (the black ones are very matt)* which I like as it reminds me of Hornby '0' gauge and the earlier 'Dublo'.  Perhaps some people will prefer to tone the finish down a bit, but I give the locomotives a jolly good polish with 'Mr Sheen'.  It takes all sorts, I suppose!

* Apart from the blackberry black LNWR 'Prince of Wales'. 

What a smashing collection of locomotives.
Great pictures.
How did the ale go down?

Many thanks, Martin.  I prefer running trains to photographing them and am still learning about using a digital camera.  I was trying out potential photographic locations before attempting scenery, as I hope to make the scenery enhance the photographic possibilities.  I was pleasantly surprised by the 'outside of the curve' shot with the GWR train.  This part of the layout might have possibilities...

The foaming ale went down particularly well, thank you.  Mrs Train Waiting and I had a Gala Dinner in Wetherspoon's.  I rate these highly as I have never failed to find a decent glass of 'pig's ear' in one.  :pint:

Pip-pip.

John

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 28, 2018, 04:50:59 PM
Back to Normal

After all the fun 'n' frolics of the 'Steamy Weekend' (the Strictly Steam and Foaming Ale Spring Gala Weekend), the Table-Top Railway has reverted to its mundane self.  It has also returned to the North Riding when Mr Baldwin was PM (I assumed that the Gala took place in present-day Foamingaleland).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-280318154841.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63481)

I had a few minutes to spare after a visit to the dentist this morning and ankled it over to the railway, where I was able to take a photograph of the 'Darrowby Goods' on the Down main line, just south of Brawton station.  'J25' 0-6-0 No. 1988 was travelling slowly, which enabled to to obtain a 'rods down' photograph.  The train will stop just north of Brawton station and then back into Platform 3 (the Darrowby Bay) before continuing on to the branch line.

Hartington shed can be relied upon to diagram a well turned-out 0-6-0 for the 'Darrowby Goods'.  Normally this is an ex-NER 'J25' or 'J26', but, occasionally, a 'J27' or an LNER standard 'J39' is found on the train.  On rare occasions, a 'J38', borrowed from the Scottish Area, is used.

Many thanks for looking and all good wishes.

Toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 28, 2018, 09:31:42 PM
 :hellosign: An really excellent picture John, thanks for posting
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 29, 2018, 08:09:57 PM
Happy Easter from the Table-Top Railway


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-290318200829.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63542)

Best wishes from John and Poppy.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on March 29, 2018, 08:14:09 PM
And a Happy Easter to you also.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 29, 2018, 10:33:37 PM
Happy Easter from the Table-Top Railway


([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-290318200829.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63542[/url])

Best wishes from John and Poppy.


 :hellosign: Thanks John, Happy Easter to you & Poppy
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on March 31, 2018, 06:35:05 PM
I've Joined the Leisured Classes!

Today was my last day of paid employment.  I'll still be doing non-executive and voluntary work of course, but no more pay-days!  I got a lovely surprise at Brawton station on my way home.  The railway had replaced one of the normal coaches on the Darrowby branch line train with a lovely teak Buffet Carriage.  Hartington shed even was kind enough to put one of its pet 'D20's on the train.  I felt very proud.  And very happy after the refreshments taken during the journey, as my very good friend Granville Bennett, veterinary surgeon (please don't let on to Poppy!) of Hartington, had volunteered himself as President of the Mess Committee.

I'll be interested to see if I make any more train set progress from now on.  I fear that procrastination will simply expand to fill the time available.  Anyway, it is the trains that you are interested in and young Mr Farnon, knowing in advance of the plans, was at Brawton station to photograph the unusual working.
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-310318182031.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63666)
[The rather special branch line train leaves Brawton station behind 'D20' No. 2024, polished to perfection.  A party is in progress in the Buffet Carriage]

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-310318182253.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63667)
[Just after the branch line train departed, two unusual workings were observed at the station; an Up LMS through train behind '2P' 4-4-0 No. 443 and a very special Down Great Western empty stock working headed by 'Collett Goods' No. 2253.  I understand that this working was to provide the stock for a special train in connection with this weekend's special event at Port Perran and Trepol Bay.]

Thank you for looking and all good wishes.

Toodle-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on March 31, 2018, 06:39:59 PM
Very well done John.
Iím sure that you wonít regret your decision to retire.
I did it almost exactly 5 months ago and Iíve really enjoyed it (despite the fact that weíve had 5 months of almost constant rain).
I found it a little difficult to adjust at first but am now settled into a new routine, Leisurely breakfasts ate the best 😃
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on March 31, 2018, 09:49:11 PM
Congrats on joining the retirees on the forum :beers:

Leisurely breakfasts ate the best 😃

I've never really done breakfasts excfept when travelling on business or on hols, but my body clock still works on 'got to be in the office' time and this after 4 years of retirement :doh:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Graham on April 01, 2018, 12:30:35 AM
Congrats on joining the retirees on the forum :beers:

i'll 2nd that  :beers: did it almost 2yrs ago and haven't regretted it one bit
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: dannyboy on April 01, 2018, 01:14:53 AM
Congratulations John - enjoy your time. I am what I like to call 'semi-retired', in that I have cut my hours down from 168 per month to 120 this year. I now work 2 x 12 hour shifts, have 2 off, then work 3 x 12 hour shifts, then have 7 off. I went 'semi-retired' in order that I can get some, (more), money saved to accommodate our move back to the UK in a couple of years. The main reason being that we would be near things like buses and shops. If owt were to happen to me, Louisa would be stuck in the middle of nowhere, (lovely as it is here), as she does not drive and the nearest shop is 5 miles away! So I have to think of her, (then there is the fact that most things 'n' related are in the UK - not that that has any bearing on things  :no:).
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: JohnN on April 01, 2018, 10:30:01 AM
Congrats John on the what I am sure is a well earned retirement. I'm envious but pleased for you.

Cheers.  :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on April 02, 2018, 07:37:53 PM
I've been Painting the Town Red Green!

Do you remember these fantastic layouts of years ago?  Normally Hornby '0' Gauge or, later, 'Dublo'.  Lots 'n' lots of track, fantastic colourful locomotives and short trains, often with garish private owner wagons.  And for the scenery: a baseboard painted green!

A bit like this:

http://www.dutchhrca.nl/EUR1151.jpg (http://www.dutchhrca.nl/EUR1151.jpg)

 :goggleeyes: :heart2: :claphappy:

I had been thinking that the Table-Top Railway was lacking something after the Kato 'Unitrack' (superb product, by the way) was ballasted (thank you, Steve, for your guidance).  It certainly has been running like clockwork  :confused2: but the visual dimension was very flat.  A kind of fifty shades of grey.

Then inspiration struck and out came the painting kit over the Easter weekend.
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-020418194717.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63760)

It's the same green as I recall lawnmowers were painted when I was a boy spending a lot of time pushing them.  It certainly 'pops' out the track.  The branch line has also been re-aligned and its fiddle yard is behind the hyper-realistic 'Sundeala' backscene.

I might stray from this purist approach to scenery in due course, but I am enjoying it today.  My conceit is that it is a model of Bertie Wooster's train set.  Yes, I know the experts tell one not to make a model of another model ("Do your own research, my boy!") but I'm ignoring this.  I'm probably ignoring a lot of other sensible things too.

Must dash and play with my trains...

Thank you for looking and all best wishes.

Tickety-tonk.

John

PS Of course someone with a multicellular brain would have painted the baseboard before laying the track!  :dunce:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on April 02, 2018, 07:58:13 PM
I've Joined the Leisured Classes!

Today was my last day of paid employment.  I'll still be doing non-executive and voluntary work of course, but no more pay-days! 
Congratulations on your retirement, John.  It's now eight years since I retired (doesn't time fly) and it's been all good.  I gave up motorcycling a year before I retired because my neck wasn't really up to looking behind me properly.  I thought I would still be able to enjoy the long runs but, after a five-hour run, every bone in my body ached, so I traded the Beema in for a Smart.  Now even that's gone and we just have the old Alfa because we really can't justify two cars when we're both retired.  However, I still don't know how I ever found time to go to work.  I thoroughly enjoyed my work, but I'm enjoying retirement even more.  So, you've plenty to look forward to. :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: dannyboy on April 02, 2018, 08:46:21 PM
Have to totally agree with your comments about 'Unitrack'  :thumbsup:. As regards painting the baseboard first - where's the fun in that? I like to do something and once completed, think, " :censored:, I could have done that differently"  :doh:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on April 02, 2018, 08:57:42 PM
This is looking like the trainsef I had when I was 10!
Whereís the Hornby art-deco style signal box?
Oh and one of those tunnels that looks like a tea cosy with a hole on each side.
Tis looking good though.
Good to see an overview.
Cheers.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 02, 2018, 10:30:33 PM
 :hellosign: Congratulations on your retirement John, (lucky you).
      Agree the painting makes the track stand out & looks good  :thumbsup:
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on April 03, 2018, 09:24:23 AM
I've Joined the Leisured Classes!

Today was my last day of paid employment.  I'll still be doing non-executive and voluntary work of course, but no more pay-days! 
Congratulations on your retirement, John.  It's now eight years since I retired (doesn't time fly) and it's been all good.  I gave up motorcycling a year before I retired because my neck wasn't really up to looking behind me properly.  I thought I would still be able to enjoy the long runs but, after a five-hour run, every bone in my body ached, so I traded the Beema in for a Smart.  Now even that's gone and we just have the old Alfa because we really can't justify two cars when we're both retired.  However, I still don't know how I ever found time to go to work.  I thoroughly enjoyed my work, but I'm enjoying retirement even more.  So, you've plenty to look forward to. :beers:

Thank you very much, Laurence.

I've ridden several BMW's over the years, but never owned one.  I've never forgiven them for winning the 1939 TT on a supercharged machine.  Simply not the done thing!

I still do the motorcyclist's last second look behind when I'm driving a car.  There have been a couple of occasions when I have been glad I did.  Very glad indeed.

All the best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on April 03, 2018, 09:14:23 PM
This is looking like the trainsef I had when I was 10!
Whereís the Hornby art-deco style signal box?
Oh and one of those tunnels that looks like a tea cosy with a hole on each side.
Tis looking good though.
Good to see an overview.
Cheers.


Many thanks, Martin, for that lovely compliment.  That's exactly what I am aiming for - the kind of layout I would have loved when I was 10 or so.  Later on, I went all serious and 'finescale', which I enjoyed at the time, but as I have become older I appear to have regressed.  For a long time my idea of railway modelling was the construction and prototypical operation of little branch line stations.  Now, it is more watching the trains go by with the occasional movement in the goods yard or branch line.  The Table-Top Railway can have four trains moving (intentionally!) at one time.  This is with DC control of the Tri-ang Railways variety.  We don't even stretch to cab control.

You have read my mind with regard to the 'Dublo' Art Deco signal box and other buildings.  I really like these with their clean lines and Brian Cook (later, Sir Brian Batsford) type colour schemes.  And, yes, a 'tea cosy' (what a brilliantly descriptive name) tunnel is every bit as essential as an overbridge with a motor omnibus on top.

I have a long, long way to go but here is the kind of little scene that gives me some encouragement:-

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-030418205235.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63789)

[We've gone all LMS today. '2F' 0-6-0 No. 22958 with a gloriously toy-like freight train in primary colours chuffs past on the Down main line as 'Prince of Wales' 4-6-0 No. 5604 Enchantress, in magnificent crimson lake livery, bursts out from below an overbridge with an Up express.]

If one squints at this scene with a very forgiving eye, does it have a remote likeness to something in '0' gauge, maybe at about the time of the Silver Jubilee or a few years earlier?

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on April 06, 2018, 05:08:40 PM
A Surprising but Agreeable Turn of Events

I'm not really much of an enthusiast for second-hand model railway items and my ebay history was one purchase.  Until now.  Looking at ebay for an unrelated reason last week, I started looking at 'N' gauge locomotives, as one does.  One thing led to another and I found myself bidding for three Union Mills locomotives, all described as being in as-new condition.  Beginners luck, I suppose, but I got two of them.  They arrived today.  One has been given an overhaul and is now running-in on the layout.  I think the description was correct as there was little evidence of it having had much running.  Certainly, fresh oil was required.  I'm glad that I did not run the locomotive prior to overhaul.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/6222-060418164105.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=63910)
[Carlisle 100 years ago?  The Table-Top Railway now has a second locomotive in a pre-Grouping livery.  The new NER 'R' Class 4-4-0 No. 592 meets an old-stager; LNWR 'Prince of Wales' Class 4-6-0 No. 86 Mark Twain.]

No. 592 is a little bit different as it is 'Made by Union Mills Models'.  It also has shiny, plated tender wheels without traction tyres.  I did a little research and found the answer on another forum.  A batch of 50 'R' Class locomotives in NER livery was commissioned from Union Mills in 2009 by a gentleman from Bedfordshire.  I hope this gentleman is a member of the Forum so that I can thank him for making this wonderful locomotive available.  It certainly is a beautiful engine in its gorgeous NER green livery, which is similar to LNER apple green but obviously a different variety of apple! 

I consider myself very fortunate regarding the combination of unlikely circumstances that led to No. 592 arriving at the Table-Top Railway.  Much more running-in and enjoying is anticipated for this evening!

Many thanks for looking and for all the replies and 'Thank Yous'; these are wonderful encouragement and very much appreciated.

Toodle-pip.

John


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on April 06, 2018, 05:32:06 PM
Those two look fantastic.
A really good purchase methinks.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: DaveGlew on April 06, 2018, 06:57:17 PM
 Think you bought well...... Union Mills are strong little engines...coming from a great little one man band with excellent customer service to boot. I'm a fan.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on April 09, 2018, 07:31:15 PM
Those two look fantastic.
A really good purchase methinks.

Thank you, Martin, and the other half of the ebay purchase has been dismantled, cleaned, oiled and reassembled, and is now running-in.  It's an LNER 'J39' 0-6-0; a 'Really Useful Engine'.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-090418185131.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64016)
['J39' 0-6-0 No. 4857 hauls a short Up goods train as a running-in turn.]

The LNER must have thought highly of the class as 289 were built.  They were not just goods engines as they were often used on passenger trains, particularly before the 'B1's became widely available.  BR recognised this usefulness and rated the 'J39's as 4P/5F.  They were Route Availability (RA) 6, like classes 'K1', 'K2' and 'K4', so were more secondary main line locomotives than typical branch line motive power.  However, they were good engines for 'sturdy' branch lines such as those to Silloth and Eyemouth.

In the interests of full disclosure I have to apologise and point out that this 'J39' somehow has its '1946 number' and the Table-Top Railway is firmly pre-War.  It ought to be No. 1477 as No. 4857 was a 'V2' at this time.  There is really no excuse! :-[ :sorrysign:

Think you bought well...... Union Mills are strong little engines...coming from a great little one man band with excellent customer service to boot. I'm a fan.

Many thanks, Dave, my thoughts entirely.  And I really like the fact that the wonderful cardboard boxes that the locomotives come in are made in an Isle of Man workshop for people with disabilities.  It's good that our hobby has a social benefit.

Thank you very much for looking and all best wishes.

Toodle-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on April 11, 2018, 08:07:48 PM
Struggling

It is a truth universally acknowledged that Train Waiting is hopeless at scenic stuff.  Thanks to the foolproof products of Peco/Kato, Gaugemaster and Union Mills, I can get trains running.  Many of my layout-building efforts in the past have fizzled out at this stage due to the approaching horrors of scenic work.  This time I'm endeavouring to persevere.

Today's scenic escapade concerned the goods yard track.  You know the bit in the 'vee' between the straight and diverging roads on points.  Well, I wanted it ballasted, but not as high as the ballast on the Kato 'Unitrack'.  A useless space for operational purposes, but kept very tidy (we are in the pre-War era here at the Table-Top Railway) appearance was the intention.  Here is the result:
   
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-110418193548.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64076)

This ballasted area is the space between the sidings in the goods yard.  The grey-painted balsa to the left is intended to be the yard surface and I fancy cobblestones or similar treatment for this.

The ballast is laid on a piece of plasticard which is mounted at the desired height on a base of bashed-up wooden coffee stirrers.  Like this:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-110418194046.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64079)

This is the space between the Up main line and the lead into the goods yard.  The coffee stirrers are in place.  And the five pence piece?  At 18mm diameter, it is the prefect size for a place-keeper for the 14mm diameter hole that will be required for the Up Platform Starting Signal.  The S&T Department appears to have left the signal ready for future installation.

A similar arrangement is in place at the points leading to the bay platform.  The 'vee' there will be the location of the Down Platform Starting Signal.

I'm very tempted to start rambling on and on about my plans for signalling (working signals were often an important feature of the layouts of the 1920s - 1950s that are my inspiration), but this would just be an excuse to stray back to the model railway work with which I am comfortable.

We'll leave it there for today and I'll get back to scenic work by attempting to cut the two plasticard bases for the ballast and then giving them a coat of paint.  The pressure's tremendous!

Many thanks for looking.

All best wishes.

John


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on April 11, 2018, 08:21:00 PM
Hmmmm mm......that pound coin is definitely too new for the 1950s!
I wish you luck with what you are attempting to achieve. Personally, I love the scenic side of things but, of course, we are all different.
Onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Skyline2uk on April 11, 2018, 08:30:39 PM
Perfectly sensible and neat work there good sir  :thumbsup:

As for the ďstrugglingĒ, I sympathise. If itís not too impertinent, may I pass on some physiological advice from my recent (and no doubt future) N gauge projects?

1) Above all else, remember this is a hobby and therefore supposed to be FUN. If you are not enjoining it the you will resent it and are unlikely to do your best work.

2) Try to work in things that you really enjoy. If that is running trains then see if you can do so safely (I.e well away from glue / loose ballast etc). Maybe have some music on if thatís your thing?

I myself have had a couple of experiences recently when I failed to simply ďwalk awayĒ when things started going wrong and ended up making it much worse.

I am sure the (excellent) table top railway will progress to new heights and we all get to see it!

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on April 11, 2018, 09:06:00 PM
Hmmmm mm......that pound coin is definitely too new for the 1950s!
I wish you luck with what you are attempting to achieve. Personally, I love the scenic side of things but, of course, we are all different.
Onwards and upwards.

Many thanks, Martin.

Sorry for the five pence coin.  A shocking anachronism!

Is this better?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-110418210053.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64086)

I really want to learn to enjoy the scenic work as it will open up a whole new dimension for me.  I'm hoping being retired and having the time to experiment and learn will do the trick.  Your excellent scenic work is an inspiration for me.

All the best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on April 11, 2018, 09:17:27 PM
Perfectly sensible and neat work there good sir  :thumbsup:

As for the ďstrugglingĒ, I sympathise. If itís not too impertinent, may I pass on some physiological advice from my recent (and no doubt future) N gauge projects?

1) Above all else, remember this is a hobby and therefore supposed to be FUN. If you are not enjoining it the you will resent it and are unlikely to do your best work.

2) Try to work in things that you really enjoy. If that is running trains then see if you can do so safely (I.e well away from glue / loose ballast etc). Maybe have some music on if thatís your thing?

I myself have had a couple of experiences recently when I failed to simply ďwalk awayĒ when things started going wrong and ended up making it much worse.

I am sure the (excellent) table top railway will progress to new heights and we all get to see it!

Skyline2uk

Thank you so much.  This is excellent advice.

I'm doing the scenic work in little parts and then, exactly as you say, running trains.

I hope that this approach will flip the switch in what passes for my brain and I'll start to enjoy the scenic work.

You are so correct when you say that it is best to give things a rest if you get stuck with something.  It almost always turns out to be fine the next day!

And thank you for your kind remarks.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: 25901JFM on April 11, 2018, 11:27:35 PM
You are not alone John.  Me and scenic work don't go together very well.  My problem is I can see what I think I would like, but I struggle to produce it.  For me scenery is very much an art form and art is not one of my things.  Playing trains Operating a railway is my thing!  My hat is tipped to all those on here that have that artistic edge.  There are some really nice "works of art" on the NGF.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on April 12, 2018, 07:02:19 AM
You are not alone John.  Me and scenic work don't go together very well.  My problem is I can see what I think I would like, but I struggle to produce it.  For me scenery is very much an art form and art is not one of my things.  Playing trains Operating a railway is my thing!  My hat is tipped to all those on here that have that artistic edge.  There are some really nice "works of art" on the NGF.

John
I'll go along with that!  Planning and operating are what I do and scenic work is what I'd like to do, but struggle.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Masher69 on April 12, 2018, 09:22:29 AM
I'm glad to hear that I am not the only one to struggle with the scenic bits. It took me a while to break through a mind barrier and now things are starting to progress. Part of it is that my layout is my very first and I am uncertain what materials are available and what to use but getting there. Persevere and take it slowly slowly I think. Good luck.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on April 12, 2018, 11:56:24 AM
I think that scenery is very subjective. Having shown layouts at several shows its  clear that what one person likes another wonít.
Iíd say, if you are happy with it yourself then that is what matters.
One thing with scenery is that the railway should sit in it and blend into it whether an industrial or natural landscape. Plus, of course, no land is flat so if you can build in some height it will help.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on April 12, 2018, 12:38:43 PM
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-110418210053.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64086[/url])


I assumed you were either going to bury it for future generations to discover, or the layout is turning into The Christmas Pudding Railway   :D  :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 12, 2018, 10:08:23 PM
 :hellosign: You are making excellent progress John & thanks for sharing, the most important words to remember are the Fun & Enjoyment of your Railway
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on April 12, 2018, 10:16:28 PM
I assumed you were either going to bury it for future generations to discover, or the layout is turning into The Christmas Pudding Railway   :D  :D

 :laughabovepost: :thankyousign:

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on April 12, 2018, 10:25:49 PM
:hellosign: You are making excellent progress John & thanks for sharing, the most important words to remember are the Fun & Enjoyment of your Railway
      regards Derek.

Very many thanks for this, Derek.  I agree completely with you.  A model railway (more a train set in my case) ought to be a delightful hobby.  If it encourages one to try new things, so much the better.  The scenic dimension will, hopefully, encourage me to have fun and enjoy myself learning new skills and techniques.  The Forum is wonderful in this regard as it has so many inspirational teachers.

Thanks again and kindest regards.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on April 13, 2018, 08:26:19 PM
Could be the Piggy Bank Puffer? :-[
When it's finished remember to put someone over the coin with a metal detector to remember where you've hidden it. :hmmm:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on April 18, 2018, 10:02:15 PM
A Signal and More Ballast

You last saw this little bit of the Table-Top Railway with a threepenny bit and a S&DJR '2P' 4-4-0.  Here it is with another '2P', LMS this time.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-180418212402.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64343)

Train Waiting's slapdash ballasting work has chosen the 'vee' for the goods yard lead as its next victim for a coat of Kato ballast and the Up platform starting signal is in place.  It's nice to see that it has a track circuit.  With the yard exit ahead of this signal, an advanced starting signal will be required.

The 'ten foot' between the Up Main and the yard headshunt is now looking strikingly Sundealay and probably ought to brace itself for the chaos that passes for ballasting hereabouts.  Each additional bit of ballasting is inching the layout towards a conventional modern-day(ish) model railway and away from my 1920s-1950s train set idea.  I suppose that an important decision-point will be regarding the base of the signal.  In my mind it ought to be a properly improper slab base (and black is a good colour), but I already feel that this looks incongruous with the ballasting in place.  If you see another picture which has the base of the signal disguised by ballast then you'll know that I have taken another step away from what I had in mind. :-\ 

Many thanks for looking and all the very best.

John

PS Apologies to any LMR signal enthusiasts regarding signal nomenclature.  'Home No. 2' and 'Starter' are, if I recall correctly, the terms on the LMR for the signals I mentioned.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: BoxTunnel on April 18, 2018, 10:17:48 PM
I think you are doing your ballasting skills a disservice John, it all looks very neat to me.

Graham, dreading the moment when he opens the bag of ballast.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 19, 2018, 01:44:45 AM
 :hellosign: Gotta agree, that ballasting looks excellent
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Webbo on April 19, 2018, 09:11:05 AM
Hi John

To be honest, I think you've already passed the point of no return between a train set and a model railway with your decision to add ballast. Kato Unitrack with its ballasted base looks a bit like Hornby Dublo track so it's not incongruous with an HD train set appearance.

Anyway, everything is cool and it is only what you would like to achieve with your railway that counts. Wherever you go with your layout development is interesting to me.

Webbo
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on April 19, 2018, 09:52:47 AM

To be honest, I think you've already passed the point of no return between a train set and a model railway with your decision to add ballast. Kato Unitrack with its ballasted base looks a bit like Hornby Dublo track so it's not incongruous with an HD train set appearance.


That's what went through my mind too :hmmm:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on April 19, 2018, 10:45:08 AM
I'll show me age and go back further than that.

To me Kato track reminds me of Triang standard track from the fifties, before they introduced Series 3 (with the shocking sleeper spacing), followed by their Super 4.

The Super 4 had closer spacing, but was huge because of the gap between rail and sleeper base, to accept the firm's clip-in accessories.

So, after this long slaver, I think the bare Kato track fits perfectly with your concept. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on April 19, 2018, 04:15:10 PM
Moving to the loco. What a super engine in crimson - looks splendid.
And.....the ballasting looks fine.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on April 19, 2018, 10:25:52 PM
Hi John

To be honest, I think you've already passed the point of no return between a train set and a model railway with your decision to add ballast. Kato Unitrack with its ballasted base looks a bit like Hornby Dublo track so it's not incongruous with an HD train set appearance.

Anyway, everything is cool and it is only what you would like to achieve with your railway that counts. Wherever you go with your layout development is interesting to me.

Webbo


Very many thanks for this kind and encouraging post, Webbo.  I think that you might be right about the point of no return having actually been passed.  The H-D or Tri-ang 'Standard' tracks' train set appearance is pretty much lost once the Kato loose ballasting is applied.  And the wide radius of the Kato 'Setrack' #6 turnouts is not sufficiently unrealistic for my purposes.

I am really enjoying the layout and it runs perfectly.  But you are correct; in the execution it has strayed from the concept I had in mind.  I ought to think about this.

Moving to the loco. What a super engine in crimson - looks splendid.
And.....the ballasting looks fine.

Thank you, Martin.  No. 443 looks wonderful in Union Mills' gloss crimson lake (kept this way with a touch of 'Mr Sheen' from time to time!) and runs very well indeed.  She benefits from having the latest Union Mills motor arrangement, which I first saw in the 'Dean Goods'.  This gives, in my view, better running and finer control than the earlier motor arrangement.  A few years ago I would have grumbled about the inaccurate crimson lake livery (the LMS '2P' class was known as 'the wee black yins' on my native G&SWR Section), but nowadays I simply enjoy it.  I find the Union Mills 4-4-0s are all excellent locomotives and wonder if a SR Eastern Section 'D1','E1' or 'L1' (just like Tri-ang!) will appear in due course.  With the 'Derby look' and GWR-inspired valve events, these were super little locomotives.

Thank you for your generous remark about the ballasting.  I attempted to have the ballast in the 'six foot way' level with that of the 'four foot way', whilst the ballast in the 'diverging vee' of the points and the 'ten foot way' is to be at a lower level to preserve something of a 'shoulder' either side of the sleepers.


Thank you, everyone, for all the helpful posts which are very encouraging.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on April 24, 2018, 09:53:20 PM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-240418213033.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64623)
[An LMS interlude at Brawton earlier today.  '3F' 0-6-0 No. 3214 has brought a freight train in from Hellifield via Darrowby and is now engaging in a bit of shunting in Brawton goods yard.]

The photograph shows that I have now found time to ballast the 'Ten Foot' between the Up Main and the yard headshunt.  It looks a bit better than it did with the bare 'Sundeala', I think.  The missing buffer stop on the headshunt is something of an embarrassment.

You might notice that the yard turnout is set for the Up Main.  There is a little additional power feed to the end of the headshunt which allows the yard to be shunted independently of the main line using a separate 'Gaugemaster' controller.  One of my chums was having terrific fun the other day, playing trains on the two main lines using the 'Gaugemaster' 'Model D', when I did a gentle shunt in the yard using the 'Combi'.  That gave him a fright!

Many thanks for looking.

All best wishes.

Tickety-tonk.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 24, 2018, 11:31:49 PM
 :hellosign: Looking good John, thanks for sharing
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on April 25, 2018, 03:06:29 PM
Neat work with the ballasting.
You can hardly see the join.
I think Iíd be putting in a buffer stop soon though. Just in case you turn the controller the wrong way! Either that, or a small pile of books.

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 25, 2018, 04:25:52 PM
My apologies, John. I've been in catch-up mode (and thorougly enjoyed all the photos. and text) but second your comments on the book 'Love on a Branch Line', which I bought many years ago. I ahve, for more recently, bought thee television series on DVD and look forward to enjoying it in the summer.

If you buy a Graham Farish Brush Type 2 in BR green and ask Gideon (and are patient because he is very busy) I'm sure that he will do a superb job of converting it to an all-green one (if it comes with a yellow front panel) bearing the exact BR D series running number you require.

I enjoy the scenic modelling most of all and am looking forward to resuming work in the summer. Port Perran and Trepol Bay are very inspirational. I do, however, work very slowly as I make mistakes whenever I try to rush things. I also spend a lot of my very limited spare time studying photos. of railways in North Cornwall.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: DaveGlew on April 25, 2018, 06:03:52 PM
No longer a train set...... neat work.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on April 25, 2018, 06:54:25 PM
Neat work with the ballasting.
You can hardly see the join.
I think Iíd be putting in a buffer stop soon though. Just in case you turn the controller the wrong way! Either that, or a small pile of books.

Thank you, Martin.  The 'small pile of books' will be difficult for me to pull off.  I have tried this many times in the past, but the same thing always happens.  It becomes a large pile of books!  Same with magazines; they quickly arrange themselves into a model of the Leaning Tower of Pisa built from copies of the Railway Modeller.  I had better arrange a buffer stop, then.

No longer a train set...... neat work.

Thank you very much for this, Dave.  Your kind comment echoes Webbo's earlier helpful remark that including the ballasting passed the 'point of no return' between a train set and a model railway.  These impartial observations are very useful and greatly appreciated.

They confirm what I was beginning to think about this project.  The idea was that it was meant to be a train set trying and failing to be a model railway.  I have in my mind's eye what this would look like.  A very nice train set that runs like clockwork.  But still a train set.

It appears that I have failed to fail and that the layout is becoming a model railway (of sorts!).  I like it too much to rip it up and start again, so I'll continue with it and try to make it a half-decent model railway.

And as for that idea in my head, I'll maybe have to try again.

Thank you everyone who has commented or left a 'thank you'.  This is really appreciated.

All best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on April 25, 2018, 08:29:09 PM
I think too that it is now a "failed" table top railway and has morphed into a model railway. A great one at that! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on April 25, 2018, 08:34:04 PM
Perhaps we should consider this as a social experiment.
When and how does a train set be become a model railway and why?  Discuss.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 25, 2018, 08:50:49 PM
There's at least a Master's thesis, there! 8-)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on April 25, 2018, 09:01:06 PM
Your failure to fail is a pass for me :confused2: :confused2: :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: DaveGlew on April 25, 2018, 09:39:35 PM
Perhaps we should consider this as a social experiment.
When and how does a train set be become a model railway and why?  Discuss.
OK here goes..........
For me, if the engine comes in the same box as the track, its a train set. By default, anything else is a model railway............. Let the alternative thoughts, slings and arrows etc. commence
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Skyline2uk on April 26, 2018, 08:17:25 AM
Perhaps we should consider this as a social experiment.
When and how does a train set be become a model railway and why?  Discuss.
OK here goes..........
For me, if the engine comes in the same box as the track, its a train set. By default, anything else is a model railway............. Let the alternative thoughts, slings and arrows etc. commence

You know, I rather like that definition. It is factually correct (such rather lovely boxes have always been called ďsetsĒ) but doesnít have any negative stigma or connotations about ďrealĒ modelling.

Might be the shortest debate in history (probably good as this is Train Waitingís layout thread) Dave!

Skyline2uk 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on April 26, 2018, 08:25:59 AM
Anyway. Sorry John....I seem to have accidentally sent your thread off at a tangent.
Apologies.
To return to the original concept. I think the layout is brilliant and as long as you are enjoying it then who cares if itís a layout a set or a model railway.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on April 26, 2018, 08:53:06 AM
Thank you very much for these comments, chaps.  I am enjoying the tangent (if, indeed, it is a tangent) and finding it helpful.

I have been busy this week (retire from paid work and the voluntary/non-executive work multiplies umpteen-fold!) so, to my shame, I ordered the buffer stops from Hatton's rather than taking the motor omnibus to Harburn Hobbies to support our superb local retailer.  I hope these arrive today.  The postage was cheaper than the omnibus fare, so I have a good 'Edinburgh excuse'.  But in a few weeks I'll qualify for the Scottish Travelcard (or whatever it's called - 'bus pass' in old money) and that'll be the end of that one.

Toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on April 26, 2018, 07:58:07 PM
A Pair of Old Buffers

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-260418193306.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64659)
Hatton's parcel arrived this afternoon - bang on schedule.  The Peco buffer stops were soon unpacked and receiving the necessary modifications to fit nicely on the Kato 'Unitrack'.  Kato, of course, does a range of what we call buffer stops, but not in the very typical British style.  Here they are on a trial installation on the goods yard sidings.  They are just sitting on the track but are not too bad.  After a bit of fettling and painting, I intend to glue them to the track.

As I'm sure you anticipated, there were a few other things in the Hatton's parcel.  A goods shed is essential, but the sidings are fairly short and, as described a good few posts back, will be used more as storage sidings for goods trains than a pukka shunting yard.  I think a small goods shed will look better in this location and, preferably, one that does not straddle a siding.  The Peco 'NB-6' kit appears to fit the bill, so one was in the parcel.  The shed base is shewn in the photograph (sitting on white paper as the two shades of grey look was unhelpful).  It looks as if it will be just the thing.  I'd better start building, then.  Incidentally, this kit has been in Peco catalogues since I started getting them years ago.  And the instructions refer to cutting parts from the 'moulding sprew'.  Interesting.

Many thanks for looking and all good wishes.

Cheerie-bye.

John

PS Apologies for the locomotive-less photograph.  Must do better next time! 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on April 26, 2018, 08:20:13 PM
Have fun building that Peco kit, Iím sure that itíll look the part once finished.
You are now firmly in the field of model railway rather than train set.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on April 26, 2018, 09:07:13 PM
 :hellosign: Glad to see the Model Railway is progressing nicely. Them there buffer stops do look good John   :hmmm: that`s a good idea
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 01, 2018, 05:15:21 PM
Volts x Amps = Layout Wiring

On @DaveGlew (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6478) 's excellent Charlport Junction - N Gauge in the Garage thread there was a bit of fine banter with @Newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) about layout wiring.


In the meantime (and back on topic) I'm sure folks post wiring pictures purely to drive me insane :laugh3: :stop:

In a moment of madness, I  promised pictures of the Table-Top Railway (Mark III)'s embarrassingly simple  :-[ wiring arrangements.  I have made use of the Kato 'Unitrack' wiring system.

The wiring for the points starts off above the baseboard and then vanishes down a hole:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-010518163439.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64815)

If the wire isn't long enough I add another:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-010518163612.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64816)
You maybe noticed a little coloured dot on the connectors, a sort of dark blue shade.  This identifies the wire as being for one of the Down Loop turnouts - there are two of these, one at each end of the loop, wired in the circuit and operated from one lever (No.5) in the lever frame.

The power feed wires, with one exception, dive down a hole below the track which is hidden by the ballast.  The Up and Down lines have two power feeds each - one on the curve at each end of the oval.  I think this is a good idea.

Once the wires go down the holes they emerge in a below-the-baseboard trough-type arrangement like this:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-010518164401.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64818)
There several circuits here, each with its own identifying colour.  The three into one adaptors are super for reducing the amount of wires.  The wires then pass through a big hole in the supporting timbers and are shoved into the back of the lever frame for the turnouts or into connectors I knocked up in a jiffy for the trusty 'Gaugemaster' 'Model D' (29 years old this year).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-010518165528.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64819)

Then the control panel (if it deserves to be called that) is rearranged and that's it!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-010518165715.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64821)

Ready to play trains.  The wonder of Kato!  No cab control, no isolating sections and not a single insulated rail joiner (although Kato do these and they are very good).  And no fiddling about below the baseboard.  I've had enough of that, thank you!

Many thanks for looking.

All best wishes.

Tickety-tonk.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on May 01, 2018, 05:57:19 PM
Thanks John.
That is very much my type of wiring. Simple.
My philosophy is why make it complicated when simple will work just as well.
Have fun running trains.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: DaveGlew on May 01, 2018, 06:08:19 PM
 :thankyousign:
Looks even simpler than DCC - nice one!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 01, 2018, 06:52:31 PM
Thanks John.
That is very much my type of wiring. Simple.
My philosophy is why make it complicated when simple will work just as well.
Have fun running trains.

Many thanks, Martin.

I'm not really one for science fiction, but I think Mr Scott from Star Trek summed up matters nicely.  "The more complicated you make the plumbing, the easier it is to block the drain!"  Having spent my holidays as a student working with a plumber, I found this to true - so very, very true - and am an enthusiast for simple plumbing.  Both literally and metaphorically.

And I have a fund of drain-related anecdotes (totally unfit for polite society) that make strong women and men go a jolly interesting shade of green.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 01, 2018, 07:13:38 PM
 :hellosign: :greatpicturessign:. I think the words brilliantly simple sum up your excellent wiring John, I certainly hope to emulate if not copy your example
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on May 01, 2018, 08:31:52 PM
That wasn't so bad, John. Just a couple of nervous twitches a la Chief Inspector Dreyfus compared to what some others have inflicted on me!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 01, 2018, 08:52:36 PM
That wasn't so bad, John. Just a couple of nervous twitches a la Chief Inspector Dreyfus compared to what some others have inflicted on me!


Excellent, Mick!  I'm chuckling at the memory of poor old Dreyfus...  :laugh:

And, to make you less of a Herbert Lom impersonator, the rude wiring is hidden out of sight in normal use by lots of lovely locomotives.  The trough doubles up as the layout's motive power depot.  Far, far too many engines of course, but that's how I like it.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-010518204711.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64829)

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on May 01, 2018, 10:41:33 PM
Very simple wiring. I'm very jealous of the locos but I'm glad to see you do have space for a few more. :)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: DaveGlew on May 02, 2018, 06:09:25 AM
That wasn't so bad, John. Just a couple of nervous twitches a la Chief Inspector Dreyfus compared to what some others have inflicted on me!
Far, far too many engines of course, but that's how I like it.
Really???  I don't think that's possible.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Milton Rail on May 02, 2018, 08:50:29 AM
Lovely collection of loco's there John :)   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 02, 2018, 10:04:27 AM
Playing Trains - GWR Style

After all this fiddling around with very simple wiring and then painting the 'Sundeala' (yes, after the track was laid and ballasted!), this wet morning gave an opportunity to run some trains.  It's always nice to see some Great Western trains, so here we are:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mxuxul5nsdvudo4/GWR%202%20May%202018.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/mxuxul5nsdvudo4/GWR%202%20May%202018.MOV?dl=0)

In order to keep the film to a reasonable length, I have run the trains a tad faster than I think the GWR would have.  If nothing else, the film shows that the layout works!

Thank you for looking and all good wishes.

Toodle-oo.

John


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 02, 2018, 10:45:12 AM
Thanks, John, for the video. Always good to see some trains running. I'm looking forward to the return of my GWR Livery GWR diesel railcar to join my BR Green and BR Crimson & Cream liveried ones. I think they look very good in all of these colour schemes but GWR Chocolate & Cream will always be my favourite livery for passenger stock.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on May 02, 2018, 08:31:05 PM
Spiffing stuff John.
Smooth running - looks great.
Good to see GW locomotives in action.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on May 02, 2018, 08:37:06 PM
Nice video. Great see trains running especially GWR :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 02, 2018, 09:48:35 PM
Thank you, chaps, for your kind comments.  And thank you to those friends who left a 'thank you'.

I dislike being serious, but Mick's valid point about wiring (made through very jolly banter!) is that simple wiring does not preclude rather nice operation.  In fact, it might just help.  However, if complex wiring, electronics and computer control is one's thing, please have lots of fun with it.  I hope the pictures of my steam-age (stone-age more like!) wiring and then the short film go some way to prove Mick's point.  End of seriousness.  Hopefully, it won't happen again.

Your comments suggest that the GWR is a popular choice, so here we are:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-020518213112.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64893)
['Dukedog' 4-4-0 No. 3204 with a 'B Set' on the Down line after passing through Somewhere-or-Other.]

I really must think of a name for the station when we are outwith LNER-land.  The train is the one you saw in the film, running non-stop through the station as it is an ECS working.  In reality the 'B Set' was something else that was in last week's parcel from Hatton's.  Made by Dapol and, at £24.70 for two carriages, good value, I think.  Not, perhaps, as well-detailed as some other carriages on the market but, in my view, excellent 'layout' carriages.  They are in the 'GWR' livery, which is ideal for the 'Dukedog' in 'GREAT WESTERN' livery.

Best wishes.

Pip-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: DaveGlew on May 02, 2018, 10:22:08 PM
Loving the GWR John........ I particularly enjoy a flying banana.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 02, 2018, 11:05:53 PM
 :hellosign: Superb video John, all looking good  :thumbsup:
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on May 03, 2018, 06:43:43 AM
I love the Dukedog with the B set. Superb.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 04, 2018, 09:35:46 AM
I love the Dukedog with the B set. Superb.

Many thanks, Martin.  3204 is driver Geoff Duke's engine.  She came out of Swindon with the 'shiny bits' painted over.  Driver Duke and his fireman set to work with the emery cloth, brick dust and 'Brasso' and the locomotive is now a delight.  I don't know if it's true, but the story going round the Staff Association is that Mr Baldwin and his wife, Lucy, were so impressed by the engine's appearance that they walked up to it and congratulated the crew.  Both of the chaps are far too modest to confirm if this is true.  But I did hear from the shed foreman's clerk that a letter arrived from the General Manager's office addressed to Driver Duke.  The foreman is very eager to learn of its contents...

[Reality check.  3204 came from the little Swindon on the Isle of Man and the 'shiny bits' were coloured in by Poppy and I using 'Sharpie' markers.  Obviously, I am ashamed  :-[ to admit to this bodge but it worked for us.]

Loving the GWR John........ I particularly enjoy a flying banana.

Thank you, Dave.  And funny you should say that.  The Table-Top Railway is having its 'May Gala' this weekend and the theme just might be of interest to you...

Toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 04, 2018, 01:49:22 PM
Many thanks for this, John. A special train of two BR WR Chocolate & Cream coaches pulled by the most reliable local NB Type 2 has been chartered from Penmayne, Cant Cove, and Wadebridge, connections from Trepol Bay, Port Perran and stations to Truro, especially for the weekend gala. Such beautifully restored GWR trains are eagerly anticipated by the special's passengers. To make a change, and for crew route refreshing purposes, the SR mainline from Wadebridge to Exeter will be taken out and back.

[I know I have the same running number D63xx as you but cannot remember it. Please, remind me. Work allowing, I want to photograph the correct loco plus Minitrix CK and BCK, here .]
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 04, 2018, 06:44:30 PM
The Table-Top Railway

*PRESS RELEASE*

For the May bank holiday weekend the Table-Top Railway is going completely bananas!

You've heard of a Plandampf; well this weekend will be a Plandiesel.

Most of our passenger services will be worked by...

... GWR 'Flying Banana' diesel railcars.

A train of beer (and a tank wagon of diesel) has arrived at Somewhere-or-Other goods yard ready for the weekend.

Be there or be square!

ENDS

Press enquiries to: Ms Poppy Puss, General Manager, The Table-Top Railway, Midlothian.


PS Thank you Chris (IP).  It's D6326.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on May 04, 2018, 06:59:34 PM
Hearing about the ĎGoing Bananasí weekend, the CLPG hurriedly arranged a special train from Wadebridge to the North.
The good people of Cornwall snapped up tickets eagerly for the event. Such was the demand that special trains were arranged to connect with the special from Wadebridge.
The first was a working from Truro via Port Perran and Trepol Bay. Seen here having just departed Trepol Bay en its way to Wadebridge. The locomotive is 7819 Hinton Manor (restored by the CLPG in association with the GWS in GWR livery)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-040518185306.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64955)
The second special originated , most unusually, at Tregonning. A single coach worked by a pannier tank in GWR livery. It will work via the Par to Newquay line and head for Wadebridge via Quintrell Downs East Junction.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/230-040518185628.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64956)
An additional special working will reach Wadebridge from Cant Cove and Penmayne.
The special train from Wadebridge will work via the SR North Cornwall main line to Exeter and then on to Bristol and the north.
A very long journey for the passengers but the weekend is eagerly awaited and anticipated.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Atso on May 04, 2018, 07:06:27 PM
Lovely layout track plan John, it reminds me of somewhere for some reason... I do love what you've done with that Dukedog (and the Colletts but especially the Dukedog!)! It's very very tempting to make a call to a certain island having seen yours!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: wookie on May 04, 2018, 07:45:37 PM
I love the Dukedog with the B set. Superb.

Ditto, very nice.
Sounds like I might have to dig out my railcar  :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: DaveGlew on May 04, 2018, 10:16:20 PM
I have a lovely flying banana too.......... but it's 00.......... enough to get me blackballed from this site   :angel:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 04, 2018, 10:47:28 PM
Lovely layout track plan John, it reminds me of somewhere for some reason... I do love what you've done with that Dukedog (and the Colletts but especially the Dukedog!)! It's very very tempting to make a call to a certain island having seen yours!

Thank you, Steve.  The resemblance to Hadley Wood has been noted.  The track plan, like so much about the Table-Top Railway, was the work of that useful chap, Mr Acci Dent.  I was very pleased to see the OS map on your excellent thread and note that I have been accidentally prototypical.

The 'Dukedog' is a lovely locomotive as supplied.  I just hope that my rough efforts with the Sharpie markers have not detracted from the engine.  It looks fine running round the layout, but the camera is certainly no respecter of middle-aged Scotsmen with colouring-in pens.

I know from your stock list that you already have a couple of Union Mills locomotives so you know how good they are.  I'm sure that you would enjoy more.  The recent releases with the new motor (like the 'Dukedog') are very fine runners; very fine indeed.

Hearing about the ‘Going Bananas’ weekend, the CLPG hurriedly arranged a special train from Wadebridge to the North.
The good people of Cornwall snapped up tickets eagerly for the event. Such was the demand that special trains were arranged to connect with the special from Wadebridge.
The first was a working from Truro via Port Perran and Trepol Bay. The second special originated , most unusually, at Tregonning. A single coach worked by a pannier tank in GWR livery. It will work via the Par to Newquay line and head for Wadebridge via Quintrell Downs East Junction.
An additional special working will reach Wadebridge from Cant Cove and Penmayne.
The special train from Wadebridge will work via the SR North Cornwall main line to Exeter and then on to Bristol and the north.
A very long journey for the passengers but the weekend is eagerly awaited and anticipated.

Thanks very much, Martin, for the tip-off that the Tregonning crew and other Cornish enthusiasts are coming to the 'Going Bananas' Gala Weekend.  Poppy has increased the beer order and lots 'n' lots of lovely sausages have been ordered for breakfast, as all these fine Cornishmen will be jolly hungry by the time they get to us.  We are worried about having sufficient catering facilities and have arranged for a LNER Buffet Car to be in attendance to act as an Enthusiasts' Club.  With all these people coming we might need to run some relief trains - steam powered of course; one can only take so many diesels.  Poppy has delegated me the task of getting out of bed at 0300 to raise steam.


Many thanks for your replies and 'thank yous'.

All best wishes.

Toodle-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 05, 2018, 08:34:20 AM
Good Morning, Chums

And a beautiful morning it is; here at the Table-Top Railway.  Ideal for our 'Going Bananas' Gala Weekend.  The 'Flying Bananas' have flown in...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-050518081451.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64974)
[The goods yard is acting as a temporary diesel depot.  GWR 'Flying Banana' diesel railcars (l to r), 21, 19 and 22 are prepared for the day's services.  A tank wagon containing diesel fuel ('orrid stuff!) has been worked in from Dundee.]

That's the fuel for the railcars, but our visitors will need fuel as well (particularly the hardy souls who travelled overnight from the Royal Duchy).  The beer has arrived!  Foodstuffs will arrive on the first passenger trains and the spare steam engine* will soon shunt a LNER Buffet Car into platform 3.

But what steam locomotive will it be?  Old Bill Dean is booked driver today and he knows it is not No. 2537, his 'own' 'Dean Goods' 0-6-0.

Pip-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on May 05, 2018, 09:07:09 AM
Good Morning John (and Poppy of course).
I didnít realise you had three banana coaches  :D  but they do look good. Maybe I should have run my green one on the Tregonning special.
Looking forward to more pictures of the Shenanigans later.
Enjoy.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 05, 2018, 02:21:05 PM
Good Morning John (and Poppy of course).
I didnít realise you had three banana coaches  :D  but they do look good. Maybe I should have run my green one on the Tregonning special.
Looking forward to more pictures of the Shenanigans later.
Enjoy.


Here they are:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-050518135413.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64976)

[The eggs arrive behind railcar No. 22 , the sausages and mustard behind No. 19 and  No. 21 sits in the bay platform with the LNER buffet car up at the buffer stops.  A couple of nice Jaguar motor cars have turned up as well.]

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-050518140001.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64977)

[Later in the day, the 'Going Bananas' Gala is going well.  'Flying Banana' No. 22 is on an Up train and No. 19 on a Down working.  No. 21 awaits departure from platform 3 with a train for the branch line.]

The pungent pong of diesel exhaust fumes is very noticeable.  If you'll excuse me, I'll pop into the Buffet Car to escape the nasty niff.  I think the sun is now over the yardarm, so it's time for a glass or two of the 'Headland Brewery' foaming ale - assuming the Cornish enthusiasts haven't polished it off.

Chin-chin...

John

PS
Loving the GWR John........ I particularly enjoy a flying banana.

Hope you like the pictures, Dave.  It's certainly a bunch of bananas!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 05, 2018, 02:26:38 PM
After rushing his film to Boots the Chemists to get the photos. developed and printed, Cant Cove's official photographer (John Prynne, the Chief Accountant,  of the "Castle Estates" and, formerly a rising star in accountants Coopers & Lybrand, in London, where he was a special advisor to Dr. Beeching) was able to publish two photos. of North British Type 2 D6326 of Plymouth, Laira (83D), sub-shedded at St. Blazey, departing with the enthusiasts' special from Penmayne, calling at Cant Cove and Wadebridge only, and formed of an immaculately clean pair of BR WR Chocolate & Cream Standard coaches, a CK and a BCK, conveying local CLPG and GWS members bound for the Gala. Needless to say, a well-stocked mini buffet was set up in the guard's area.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/iybzaoe40wn5ol7/2018-05-05%2013.37.44.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/iybzaoe40wn5ol7/2018-05-05%2013.37.44.jpg?dl=0)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2pr3lxiku8eqxzm/2018-05-05%2013.37.54.jpg?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/2pr3lxiku8eqxzm/2018-05-05%2013.37.54.jpg?dl=0)

It was a lovely sunny morning to be up in Craig Avery's biplane.

[Alas, I could not find my two Minitrix coaches, in a hurry, so the latest Graham Farish equivalents had to appear, instead.]
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on May 05, 2018, 07:02:04 PM
Lovely pictures Chris and John.
John, Lord Tregowan  of Tregonning Manor has a white jaguar just like the one in your picture.
I wonder if he, and Lady Tregowan have motored up in the rather appealing weather ?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 05, 2018, 10:09:09 PM
After rushing his film to Boots the Chemists to get the photos. developed and printed, Cant Cove's official photographer (John Prynne, the Chief Accountant,  of the "Castle Estates" and, formerly a rising star in accountants Coopers & Lybrand, in London, where he was a special advisor to Dr. Beeching) was able to publish two photos. of North British Type 2 D6326 of Plymouth, Laira (83D), sub-shedded at St. Blazey, departing with the enthusiasts' special from Penmayne, calling at Cant Cove and Wadebridge only, and formed of an immaculately clean pair of BR WR Chocolate & Cream Standard coaches, a CK and a BCK, conveying local CLPG and GWS members bound for the Gala. Needless to say, a well-stocked mini buffet was set up in the guard's area.


Many thanks for these excellent photographs, Chris.  I am glad to confirm that the Penmayne Special arrived safely and that its occupants have been enjoying the gala weekend.  D6326 and its train have gone off for servicing and the return working will depart tomorrow; first public stop - Wadebridge.
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/6222-050518220621.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=64992)

The very welcome influx of enthusiasts has made the trains increasingly busy today and it is likely that some steam worked relief trains will be required tomorrow, at least in the morning.

Pip-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: wookie on May 06, 2018, 12:58:14 PM
Three bananas? Give the man a hand  :D
That's just plain greedy!
I'm keeping an open for one to convert into one of the twin units.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 06, 2018, 08:03:36 PM
Although Several Felt a Tad Liverish...

... Most of our visiting enthusiasts woke early today and enjoyed a hearty breakfast.  They then turned up at the station.  And General Manager Poppy's Cunning Plan (a) worked.  An Up Relief train was waiting, as the hordes could not all squeeze into single railcars departing in each direction.  @wookie (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3504) has a good idea - twin car sets. Some of the Swindon-built 'Flying Bananas' were two car trains.  I don't think I have seen a picture of one but maybe I have.

Apart from a few dyed in the wool diesel enthusiasts, the multitude leapt on board the 'B Set' in the 1934 monogram livery.  'Shirt button' to anyone on Jermyn Street.  They had noticed that the train was worked by a delightful rarity.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6222-060518192409.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65007)

No. 2284; a 'Collett Goods' built at the little Swindon in Beer where one can have a cream tea in the Pullman Car.  Although 'Collett Goods' locomotives are a fairly common sight on the Table-Top Railway, these were built at that other little Swindon on the Isle of Man.  The Peco 'Collett Goods' are normally static exhibits nowadays.  But what lovely locomotives they are.  Little jewels.  It appears that, once in a generation-and-a-bit, Peco produces a stunning British 'N' Gauge locomotive.  It is rumoured that, where the water ought to be in the (very big) tender, there is an electrical device that does clever things.  We don't do clever things here, so that is untested.  But the Peco 'Collett Goods' all run well - very well indeed.

By the early afternoon the crowds started to thin out and the layout is slowly returning to normal.  By tomorrow all services will be steam-worked.

By the way, General Manager Poppy's Cunning Plan (b) also worked.  You know that large mouse that had been lurking by the wall at the end of the garden, beside Rosa Mundi?  It is now an ex-mouse.  It has ceased to be.  &c!  It's tiring work, this general management:-

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6222-060518195453.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65009)

And that's it from our 'Going Bananas' Gala Weekend.

Very many thanks for looking at this nonsense.

With all best wishes.

Toodle-pip.

John (and Poppy)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 06, 2018, 08:08:03 PM
Many thanks for all the excellent photos., including of D6326 and its train. I had not realised that you had so many GWR diesel railcars. That is a fine collection. My GWR livery one is away being renumbered (from 22 to 26) after DCC-fitting.

When I find my Minitrix coaches I can photograph D6326 and its train arriving back at Cant Cove. The return train will include coaches for Withy Junction (which will be removed at Templecombe), Trepol Bay, Port Perran and Truro (removed at Wadebridge). Bristol has promised that a brand new "Hymek" will assist to Exeter. By Exeter, the WR Buffet Car will be much lighter!

I, too, have a lovely (and expensive) Peco Collett Goods, NL-27 2251 in BR Plain Black Late Crest. Ideally, I'd like a BR Lined Green one, so, I may buy a Union Mills one and have it nicely lined and renumbered to one of Exmouth Junction's ones: 2214, for preference. I believe Martin has at least one!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on May 06, 2018, 08:47:22 PM
Thank you John. Iím sure that the contingent from these South Western shores thoroughly enjoyed their two days of nonsense up country.
Those collett 0-6-0 thingys are well regarded down here. The good folk at the CLPG (with assistance from their good friends at the GWS) have restored a GWR example (like yours constructed at Beer) to running order.
They are indeed fine performers.
It is rumoured that this excellent locomotive will feature at the annual Tregonning May Day celebrations along with a green liveried GW railcar.
Hopefully the Cornish contingent will arrive home in good time and in good spirits and hopefully with clear heads.
And hopefully, the General Manager wonít have found the responsibility of overseeing the Going Bananas event too taxing.
Bye for now.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 06, 2018, 09:18:19 PM
Many thanks for all the excellent photos., including of D6326 and its train. I had not realised that you had so many GWR diesel railcars. That is a fine collection. My GWR livery one is away being renumbered (from 22 to 26) after DCC-fitting.

When I find my Minitrix coaches I can photograph D6326 and its train arriving back at Cant Cove. The return train will include coaches for Withy Junction (which will be removed at Templecombe), Trepol Bay, Port Perran and Truro (removed at Wadebridge). Bristol has promised that a brand new "Hymek" will assist to Exeter. By Exeter, the WR Buffet Car will be much lighter!

I, too, have a lovely (and expensive) Peco Collett Goods, NL-27 2251 in BR Plain Black Late Crest. Ideally, I'd like a BR Lined Green one, so, I may buy a Union Mills one and have it nicely lined and renumbered to one of Exmouth Junction's ones: 2214, for preference. I believe Martin has at least one!

Thank you, Chris.  I highly recommend the Union Mills 'Collett Goods' as a perfect 'layout locomotive'.  The two here perform very well.  It is not, in my view, worth comparing these with the Peco models.  A bit like comparing a Shire with an Appaloosa.  A few years ago I was at 'Pecorama' and a couple of 'Collett Goods' engines were in action on the Seaton Junction layout (now dismantled, I believe).  Both demonstrated the potential weakness of tender drive engines and made their way round the layout with the driving wheels sliding along the rails.  The Union Mills ones are much heavier and don't have collectors rubbing on the driving wheels, so this problem has not occurred, in my experience.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 07, 2018, 07:29:55 PM
Thanks, John. I'll bear that in mind. However, I still need two T9s (one in BR Black and one preserved in SR Green) plus a '700' 'Black Motor' in BR Black, first. I really should not have waited, last year, whilst I bought other (mainly WR) locos.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 18, 2018, 08:13:59 PM
A Super 'Super Claud'.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6222-180518200040.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65478)
[On former GER lines.  D16/3 'Super Claud' 4-4-0 No. 8828 arrives at Flaxfield station with an Up passenger train.  Change at Flaxfield for Arcady.]

It was my birthday a few days ago and Mrs Train Waiting (and Poppy!) kindly arranged for this lovely locomotive to be my birthday present.  I've wanted a 'D16/3' for a while and am thrilled to see this beautifully-proportioned engine running on the Table-Top Railway. She's ideal motive power for the 'Beer Trains', of which we will, hopefully, have many.  It's pretty much a 'Jazz Service' of 'Beer Trains' hereabouts!   :beers:

Many thanks for looking.

Tickety-tonk.

John




Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on May 18, 2018, 08:19:37 PM
Belated happy birthday John.
That is a super present and looks splendid at the head of that teak carriage.

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 20, 2018, 08:32:18 PM
What-ho, Chums.

I'm ever so pleased with the new 'D16/3' and hoped that you wouldn't mind too much being subjected to another photograph.  I thought that I would set up a little scene on 'Bertie Wooster's Train Set', showing how jolly spiffing was the LNER about the time of the Coronation.  Here it is:
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6222-200518200903.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65552)
[Flaxfield, with 'D16/3' 4-4-0 No. 8828 on a Down train and 'B12/3' 4-6-0 No. 8572 on an Up working.]

But the camera is an unforgiving witness.  Just look at the 'B12/3'; she looks like she is going truffle hunting!  The 'B12/3's were good engines and generally very well looked after, so this Simply Would Not Do.  That weight distribution would be a menace and would give the Chief Civil Engineer a giddy turn.  8572 went on shed for some attention to her springs, axleboxes, hornguides and other horribly heavy things.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6222-200518201744.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65553)

Can you see the difference (apart from my motor-car being in the second photograph)?  She runs just as well as before but, sadly, I've given up on a potential supply of truffles to sell to the Edinburgh restaurant trade.  In the unlikely event that you have a 'B12/3' in need of similar attention, a PM to Poppy (our version of Norwich shed's Foreman Fitter) will result in a reply with all the dreadful details.

Thank you for looking and best wishes.

Toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on May 20, 2018, 08:44:39 PM
Good Evening John.
Iíve never eaten Truffles but no matter.
Iíve studied those photos. Am I blind I ask myself?
What pray, is the difference? Or is it that obvious that it passes me by.
I wait enlightenment  ;)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 20, 2018, 09:22:55 PM
Good Evening John.
Iíve never eaten Truffles but no matter.
Iíve studied those photos. Am I blind I ask myself?
What pray, is the difference? Or is it that obvious that it passes me by.
I wait enlightenment  ;)

Hello Martin

Thank you for your reply and apologies for being overly obtuse in these ramblings.

In the first photograph the 'B12/3' looks like her smokebox is pointing down towards the ground (like a dog sniffing out truffles).  This surprised me as I had not noticed it before.  But it was indeed the case.  It took the low camera angle to make me see it, though.  Following a bit of bodging I took the second photograph and, hopefully, you'll see that her boiler is now sitting level.  The brake van in the siding is a useful, albeit accidental, visual reference.  Can you see it now?

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on May 20, 2018, 09:52:48 PM
Good Evening John.
Iíve never eaten Truffles but no matter.
Iíve studied those photos. Am I blind I ask myself?
What pray, is the difference? Or is it that obvious that it passes me by.
I wait enlightenment  ;)

Hello Martin

Thank you for your reply and apologies for being overly obtuse in these ramblings.

In the first photograph the 'B12/3' looks like her smokebox is pointing down towards the ground (like a dog sniffing out truffles).  This surprised me as I had not noticed it before.  But it was indeed the case.  It took the low camera angle to make me see it, though.  Following a bit of bodging I took the second photograph and, hopefully, you'll see that her boiler is now sitting level.  The brake van in the siding is a useful, albeit accidental, visual reference.  Can you see it now?

Best wishes.

John
Thank you. Iím not sure that Iíd have noticed that.
Glad itís sorted to your satisfaction though.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 20, 2018, 09:58:42 PM
Good Evening John.
Iíve never eaten Truffles but no matter.
Iíve studied those photos. Am I blind I ask myself?
What pray, is the difference? Or is it that obvious that it passes me by.
I wait enlightenment  ;)

Hello Martin

Thank you for your reply and apologies for being overly obtuse in these ramblings.

In the first photograph the 'B12/3' looks like her smokebox is pointing down towards the ground (like a dog sniffing out truffles).  This surprised me as I had not noticed it before.  But it was indeed the case.  It took the low camera angle to make me see it, though.  Following a bit of bodging I took the second photograph and, hopefully, you'll see that her boiler is now sitting level.  The brake van in the siding is a useful, albeit accidental, visual reference.  Can you see it now?

Best wishes.

John
Thank you. Iím not sure that Iíd have noticed that.
Glad itís sorted to your satisfaction though.

Ditto to all the above.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 21, 2018, 11:26:09 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks for all the really    :greatpicturessign: John,
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 23, 2018, 01:23:26 PM
What-ho, Chums

A little bit different post today.  You might have noticed that Poppy and I are enthusiasts for Union Mills locomotives.  Well, today was a 'shed day' for ex-Midland '2F' 0-6-0 No. 22958.  Time for cleaning, removal of the inevitable cat hairs (!) and oiling.  Just in case anyone unfortunate enough to find themselves reading these ramblings is not familiar with the construction of a Union Mills engine, I though it might be a jolly jape to show a picture of the dismantled '2F':

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6222-230518130653.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65603)

That's the easy bit.  I hope it all goes back together!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6222-230518131041.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65605)

On a test train entering the Down Loop and everything is tickety-boo.  We'll stop in the loop to feel the bearings, have tea and a sandwich, and a natter with the signalman.   It just goes to show how well designed and manufactured these locomotives are to be Train Waiting-proof...

Incidentally, Poppy is not quite her normal happy self.  We think she had an altercation with one of the foxes that are abundant in the woodland at the back of the house.  She is spending more time indoors than normal but, at least, she has her train set to play with.

Many thanks for looking.

Best wishes and toodle-pip from Poppy and John.
 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on May 23, 2018, 02:26:23 PM
Glad the 2F went back together OK, and hope Poppy is back to her usual self very soon. Is she OK physically?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 23, 2018, 08:39:53 PM
Glad the 2F went back together OK, and hope Poppy is back to her usual self very soon. Is she OK physically?

Many thanks, Mick.  She's fine physically, but appears to have had a major fright.  Normal self indoors but just follows me round the garden and not going into the woodland.  Usually, she would be in there like a rocket!  Eating and drinking as normal which is a good sign.  We think that she might have used one of her nine lives, though.

Thanks again and best wishes.

John

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on May 23, 2018, 08:43:48 PM
Hookey seems to delight in sunbathing lately but hates it when I apply a little sun cream to his ears. He's actually quite good at moving into the shade when it all gets a bit much but is happy to grill himself on the big drain cover in the garden :worried:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on May 23, 2018, 08:45:23 PM
Glad the 2F went back together OK, and hope Poppy is back to her usual self very soon. Is she OK physically?

Many thanks, Mick.  She's fine physically, but appears to have had a major fright.  Normal self indoors but just follows me round the garden and not going into the woodland.  Usually, she would be in there like a rocket!  Eating and drinking as normal which is a good sign.  We think that she might have used one of her nine lives, though.

Thanks again and best wishes.

John
Sounds like a close shave for poppy.
We regularly see foxes in the fields opposite but I had no idea that they trouble cats. They donít seem to venture into our garden though, unlike two hedgehogs who provide great entertainment on our small patio as it gets dark.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on May 23, 2018, 09:06:03 PM
We have had fox cubs playing on the lawn before now.  We often see the remains (usually just a few feathers) of a wood pigeon on the lawn, which is probably a result of a fox attack.  The don't seem to catch the squirrels.  We often find a hedgehog curled up in a cage trap, happily snoozing away.  They often seem reluctant to leave.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 24, 2018, 09:34:39 PM
 :hellosign: Sending best wishes to Poppy hope all is well soon
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 25, 2018, 07:29:17 PM
What ho Chums

It was another particularly spiffing day here in South-East Scotland, so after some pottering amongst the plants, it was time to play with my version of a garden railway.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6222-250518190826.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65652)
[The Table-Top Railway (Mk II) gets out of the train set room and into the fresh air.  The locomotive is No. 22958, the ex-Midland '2F' 0-6-0 that you saw in pieces the other day.  Running is almost silent because of the 'filter foam' between the Kato 'Unitrack' and the 'Sundeala'.]

It's amazing just how much daylight can help a model railway photographer as incompetent as I am.

In the interests of railway-like behaviour there are no refreshments shown in the photograph.  These were hidden out of sight!

:hellosign: Sending best wishes to Poppy hope all is well soon
      regards Derek.


Very many thanks for your kind thoughts, Derek.  Poppy is slowly regaining her confidence but is still remaining on our property.  She was, of course, closely supervising the garden railway operating session:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6222-250518191909.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65656)

Many thanks for looking and all best wishes.

Tickety-tonk.

John and Poppy
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on May 25, 2018, 09:01:40 PM
Thatís a lovely picture of 22958 John. It looks quite at home trundlng past the rather over scale plants.
And Poppy looks very contented. Presumably watching tio ensure that no derailments occurred ?
It seems that you had similar weather to us today.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 26, 2018, 10:44:27 PM
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign:  Thanks for posting John, Ngauge outdoors looks excellent but I should imagine a challenge to stay outdoors. Glad to see Poppy looking happy & contented
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 27, 2018, 09:27:53 PM
Hello Chums

You might recall that, a few days ago, I had an interesting situation with a 'B12/3' which had assumed a 'nose-down' aspect.  It was a little bit like a Snowdon Mountain Railway locomotive sitting on level track!  I took No. 8572 over to the workbench and bodged it a bit.  All appeared to be well after that and, I'm relieved to say, still is.

I had an idle moment today so I checked if No. 1545, my other 'B12/3' and my first ever Union Mills locomotive, was displaying a similar characteristic.  It wasn't, so no work required!

Here they are buffering up and looking more-or-less like one would expect them to.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6222-270518211242.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65784)

I think that the the 'B12/3' is a very attractive locomotive* and Union Mills certainly does it justice.  Importantly (for me, anyway), they both run as good as they look.

* Thank goodness one has survived and can be enjoyed running amongst the poppies with the sea as a backdrop.

Many thanks for looking.

All best wishes.

Pip-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on May 28, 2018, 06:38:12 AM
Not so much Henry and Gordon as Henry and his alto ego!  :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 28, 2018, 07:28:31 PM
 :laughabovepost:

Thank you, Laurence.

Edward's my favourite.  He seems to be a very kind old engine.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6222-280518192710.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65803)

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 28, 2018, 07:39:31 PM
And I see a very fine rake of Stanier design LMS coaches behind.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on May 30, 2018, 07:28:36 PM
A Possible Branch Line Closure

Hello Chums

Isn't trial running of a layout which is being built a jolly splendid thing?  Or, simply call it playing trains.  Same thing!  I noticed that, when playing trains, the branch line and bay platform were almost never used.  It is visible in this photograph with a GWR railcar making its way over the rusty rails.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6222-300518185649.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65861)

The goods yard is used a lot as it is a visible staging yard for the two goods trains that are used on the Up line, but the branch line is rarely used.  There's no point in having track that's not much used (there's a prototypical approach for you!) and I wondered if there is a better idea.  I suppose 'less is more' might win the day and the turnout from the Down line could be removed, together with the associated bay platform and branch line.  Alternatively, the bay platform could remain, as this was a feature at some stations (Keighley, for example).  But, as we all know, on a layout like this, it normally takes two turnouts to store an additional train.  This means that the bay platform, effectively a siding, does not increase capacity on the Down line beyond the two trains in use at present.

However, there are a couple of other options which use the same track layout:-

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6222-300518191037.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65863)

The first option is a couple of sidings which are a visible staging yard for the Down line.  Each can take a two-coach local train or a goods train of up to five wagons.  Although these trains are short, they provide a bit of variety as the 'normal' trains in operation are of four coaches or nine wagons.

The second option would be a two road engine shed.  This would retain the present train capacity of five, but would have another three locomotives on display and use (using isolating sections).

There is an additional Kato #6 turnout in use for these two options and I have obtained closer track spacing than normal with this turnout using a clever wheeze from @weave (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=735) 's layout thread.  http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=40770.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=40770.0)  Many thanks, Chris.  And thank you for a fascinating thread as well.

Time, I think, for some more testing.

Thank you for looking.

Best wishes and toodle-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on May 30, 2018, 08:28:08 PM
Hi John

Now....I rather like the meandering effect of that branch with its railcar trundling along.
In a truly scenic railway, Iíd suggest leave it and make it tree lined with trains running between them.
But....this is the Table Top Railway so maybe the two sidings work pretty well for you.
May I, however, suggest a compromise. Keep the meandering branch but have a single road engine shed coming off pretty much where the splendid railcar is right now?
Iím organising a petition - ďSave our branchlineĒ. :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: weave on May 30, 2018, 09:31:50 PM
Hi John,

Thank you for your compliment.

However, sorry, but I agree with Martin.

SAVE THE BRANCHLINE!  :claphappy:

Looks good to me.

I'm thinking of a add on causeway (without the wife knowing) for Trťmargat St. Croix. You could also have potential for something on the left hand side for the branch. Sorry if that's been discussed as have the memory of a red wine fish swimming in gin.

Cheers weave  :beers:

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on May 30, 2018, 09:43:13 PM
Got to have a branch line. No table top layout is complete without one. :o
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on May 30, 2018, 10:30:40 PM
So the branch line only gets used once a week for market day.
SAVE IT! :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on May 31, 2018, 06:41:28 AM
So the branch line only gets used once a week for market day.
SAVE IT! :D
Seconded!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 31, 2018, 07:01:13 AM
So the branch line only gets used once a week for market day.
SAVE IT! :D
Seconded!

Thirded! The recent introduction of GWR diesel railcars has significantly improved the economics of running the branchline so much so that, when receipts from passengers buying through tickets from the branchline to destinations further afield are taken into account, it makes a small profit. The railcars are able to convey a tail load of vans and wagons when required, too.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on May 31, 2018, 07:31:20 AM
Ignore the bean counters! Save the branch line!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 31, 2018, 10:22:06 PM
 :hellosign:. Ok John another vote to save the branch line
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on June 01, 2018, 08:39:16 PM
Save the Branch Line!

Thank you very much for all the lovely 'Save the Branch Line' comments.  Nothing is decided yet.  But I was having that most hazardous thing; a tidy-up.  And the branch line was getting in the way, so it was lifted!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/6222-010618203903.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=65943)

Here's the clear space - 2m x 1m, the same as the layout occupies, but looking so much bigger.  My '00' layout (if it could be called a layout - test track more like) was here and there was also an 'N' gauge branch line incursion.  I can't decide what to do with the space.  A '00' version of the Table-Top Railway with lovely old Wrenn stock?  The branch line, but in '00'?  The Hatton's 'P' Class 0-6-0T looks so tempting.  Or more 'N' gauge?  At present it is that rare luxury - space.

Thanks again for all the wonderful comments.

With best wishes.

Toodle-oo.

John


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 01, 2018, 10:17:05 PM
 :hellosign: I know it`s your space John but I would vote for the BRANCH LINE in   
   :ngauge: of course. Looking forward to futher developments
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 02, 2018, 07:42:32 AM
You are too young to succumb to the dark side! Stay with n gauge, you know it makes sense.  :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on June 02, 2018, 08:45:18 AM
According to Captain James T. Kirk "Space is the final frontier". Subsequently Captain Luke Picard was always saying "N gauge" so you just know what to do with that 2m x 1m :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on June 02, 2018, 08:48:46 AM
Captain Luke Picard was always saying "N gauge"

When space was really tight he also dabbled in T :no:
(Earl Grey, Hot)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on June 02, 2018, 09:03:44 AM
According to Captain James T. Kirk "Space is the final frontier". Subsequently Captain Luke Picard was always saying "N gauge" so you just know what to do with that 2m x 1m :D

I've returned home to this?  :sick2:

Back on topic..... Make it so  ;)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on June 04, 2018, 02:53:18 PM
What about......wait for it...........
An exact replica of the TTR in N but with the new one being fully scenic thereby offering a complete contrast.
The two could be linked?
Or am I talking out of my cocked hat :D ?
Or, in my cider filled three days at the music festival (including trios to the Secret Gin Garden and the Pimms bus) have I either gone mad or missed the point altogether.
Cheers
Martin
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on June 04, 2018, 06:33:52 PM
What about......wait for it...........
An exact replica of the TTR in N but with the new one being fully scenic thereby offering a complete contrast.
The two could be linked?
Or am I talking out of my cocked hat :D ?
Or, in my cider filled three days at the music festival (including trios to the Secret Gin Garden and the Pimms bus) have I either gone mad or missed the point altogether.
Cheers
Martin

Many thanks, Martin.  I hope you enjoyed the festival - it looks like you did.  And it is good that 'Poldark hats' are still being worn in the Royal Duchy.

You are close, so very close!  I am very actively considering the Table-Top Railway Mark IV but have not mentioned it until now.  The possible plan is for Mk IV to try to be closer to the original concept and Mk III to become more of a 'fully scenic' model railway.  It is clear to me from the amazingly helpful comments on here that's how people see it developing.  All the ballasting probably was the 'tipping point'.

I spent a bit of time over the weekend reading old articles about the Sherwood Section and have probably a better view in my mind of what I want to achieve than ever...

Thank you very much for your suggestion and I am jolly impressed at your mind-reading abilities.

Toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: wookie on June 04, 2018, 08:54:01 PM
I can't decide what to do with the space.  A '00' version of the Table-Top Railway with lovely old Wrenn stock?

Wash your mouth out with soap and water young man!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 04, 2018, 10:43:21 PM
 :hellosign: Looking forward to developments John, sounds excellent
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on June 05, 2018, 08:31:45 PM
I can't decide what to do with the space.  A '00' version of the Table-Top Railway with lovely old Wrenn stock?

With a statement like that a trip to the funny farm is in order :laugh3:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on June 10, 2018, 09:56:08 PM
Hello Chums

I have been in Highland Railway territory paying attention to two aged and poorly relatives and have been away from the Forum and the Table-Top Railway.  I did see the 'Royal Scotsman' leaving Inverness, though.  That would be a jolly nice train in 'N' gauge!

I have a picture for you of another jolly nice train:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6222-100618212927.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66317)

I am most grateful to @Newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) for this brace of spiffing, good-as-new, 'Minitrix' Mark 1 BSK carriages in the very attractive BR(W) chocolate and cream livery.  I have a matching CK which will run with the BSKs to form a three-carriage train.  There has not been a 1960/1961 operating session for absolutely ages, but this train will require a BR locomotive to haul it.  I'll extract the diesel locomotives from their lair at an early opportunity and move the big lever on the time machine forward by about twenty-five years.

Thank you very much, Mick, for this welcome addition to the 1960/1961 rolling stock available for use on the layout.

Thank you for looking.

All best wishes.

Cheerie-bye!

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on June 10, 2018, 10:11:32 PM
You are most welcome, Sirrah ;D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 11, 2018, 06:31:28 AM
They are very nice models, John, and do look especially attractive in the BR WR Chocolate & Cream livery re-introduced for some BR Standard (later, Mark I) corridor stock for 'named' trains in 1956 (the WR management introducing many more titled trains to take advantage of this dispensation from the BTC). The decision to abandon Chocolate & Cream was taken c. April 1962, although the BRB instruction took quite a long time before such stock appeared in BR Lined Maroon. The coaches are, actually, BCKs, as the 1 on one of the passenger doors indicates. However, some of the Minitrix BCKs and CKs were produced without 1st Class markings as pseudo BSKs and SKs. (I thought I had already sent you a Minitrix BCK and CK in BR WR Chocolate & Cream livery?) I look forward to seeing your 1100 H.P. D.6300 Class (as they were titled in the BR Working Timetables) NB Type 2 with them, soon, on a through portion of an express.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on June 11, 2018, 09:52:48 AM
They are very nice models, John, and do look especially attractive in the BR WR Chocolate & Cream livery re-introduced for some BR Standard (later, Mark I) corridor stock for 'named' trains in 1956 (the WR management introducing many more titled trains to take advantage of this dispensation from the BTC). The decision to abandon Chocolate & Cream was taken c. April 1962, although the BRB instruction took quite a long time before such stock appeared in BR Lined Maroon. The coaches are, actually, BCKs, as the 1 on one of the passenger doors indicates. However, some of the Minitrix BCKs and CKs were produced without 1st Class markings as pseudo BSKs and SKs. (I thought I had already sent you a Minitrix BCK and CK in BR WR Chocolate & Cream livery?) I look forward to seeing your 1100 H.P. D.6300 Class (as they were titled in the BR Working Timetables) NB Type 2 with them, soon, on a through portion of an express.

Many thanks, Chris.  You are correct of course, the carriages are BCKs - I must have had a lapse between brain (or what passes for it) and fingers.   When Stanley Raymond went to the WR in 1962 he lost little time in breaking up the chocolate and cream trains.  Much as we enthusiasts love the WR, especially in the 'Decent Years' of 1956 - 1961 when it appeared that the GWR was returning - in spirit at least, it was losing a lot of money.  Mr Raymond and, from 1963, Gerry Fiennes, were set the task of making the region profitable.  Mr Fiennes wrote about this with his usual clarity in 'I tried to Run a Railway'.  But it must have been a very difficult time for many of the long-serving and loyal Western railwaymen.

I'm going to get the NBL 'Type 2' and its chums (not the 'Deltic', though, as D9007 Pinza did not enter service until 22 June 1961!) into action today.  The train set room will exchange the glorious aroma of steam for the pong of diesel traction.  That's progress for you! 

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on June 11, 2018, 10:04:05 AM
They are know as 'chip fat fryers', John, and can often be seen being dragged along at the tail end of steam railtours. After all, those in Premier Dining tend to get a bit uppity if they can't have chips with their meal. :D
I'm heading to Bamber Bridge station tomorrow morning to film just such an event - The Fellsman
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on June 11, 2018, 08:39:21 PM
Strict Prototypical Operational Accuracy

Not, I accept, a phrase that one associates with the Table-Top Railway which operates purely for the entertainment of its builder, visitors to the train set room and the family cat.  But today we achieved our version of finescale modelling - Scalefail.

I got the three diesel locomotives out of their hiding place and coupled them to their respective trains.  As previously noted, D6326, the NBL 'Type 2' B-B, was diagrammed to work the new train comprising a pair of BR 'Mark 1' BCKs in WR chocolate and cream livery.  A two coach train ought to be within the capability of even an NBL.  I got the train circulating nicely on the Down line and sat back with a cup of tea and a large piece of cherry cake (a reward from our neighbour for bringing in her dustbins).  A tea cup in one hand and cake fork in the other - perfick!

After a couple of enjoyable minutes, I thought that the train might be running a tad slower, but dismissed this as a product of my imagination and continued to tuck in.  Then it happened; the train stopped as if the driver had made a full brake application, there was an orange glow from inside the locomotive and smoke.  The trusty Gaugemaster 'Series D' went 'click'.  All in about a second.  Quickly setting aside the tea and cake, I turned the power off.  The pungent pong in the room was now exactly the kind of smell that concentrates the mind and I carried the errant 'Type 2' (it was hot as well!) outside.

So there we are - a highly realistic NBL locomotive failure.  Once it had cooled down, I returned the B-B to its train to take a photograph.  True to form, the 'Type 2' had failed over the points at the south end of the Down 'Back Loop', adding to operational inconvenience.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6222-110618202842.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66372)

I now don't have enough diesel locomotives to work all the diagrams so steam will have to save the day.  Total realism on the Table-Top Railway!

This is my only Dapol diesel locomotive and I look forward to experiencing their contracted-out warranty arrangements...

Many thanks for looking and all the very best.

Toodle-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on June 11, 2018, 09:13:06 PM
I have a Type 2 too. I hope that doesn't happen to me. I have a couple of Minitrix coaches.I'll dig them out to see if through running is possible.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on June 11, 2018, 09:22:55 PM
Cripes, John!

I do hope it can be fixed for you.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 12, 2018, 07:28:40 AM
  :'( Hope they will fix it!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on June 12, 2018, 08:19:07 AM
I do hope the authorities manage to repair the Class 22.
No doubt BR engineers are, as we write, poring over the electrical innards to identify the cause of the fault.
Maybe, a slice of that delicious sounding chetty cake will help them with their investigations.

Your experience does call into question the wisdom of train operators in and around Trepol Bay and Port Perran who, on occasion, allow locomotives to be run in on an unsupervised basis for lengthy periods.
Maybe new rules need to be implemented.

Good luck with Dapol.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 12, 2018, 09:28:46 AM
Good morning and many commiserations on the failure of your Dapol NB Type 2. I hope that it will be returned, fully repaired soon. I wonder whether the power controller was a contributory factor sending too much power to the stalled loco.? As, for running in purposes, locos. are supposed to run continuously, your unfortunate experience is rather worrying.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on June 13, 2018, 10:14:14 PM
An Aristocratic Lady

What-ho Chums,

Following the worrying attempt of the Dapol NBL 'Type 2' B-B to set fire to the train set room and its occupants, Poppy and I have decided that we are much safer with steam engines (we are aware that Bulleid 'Pacifics' in their original state did have a tendency to catch fire but we don't have one of these charismatic locomotives - yet).

But we do have this 'Pacific', which I don't think you have seen.  A non-Union Mills steam engine is a rare sight on the Table-Top Railway.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6222-130618215241.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66426)

[Did the 'Princess Coronations' ever look better than this?  No. 6233 Duchess of Sutherland is held at the Up platform starting signal.  These safety valves will likely lift soon.]

This was the first 'Duchess' that I saw.  Sadly, not on Beattock Bank, but at Butlin's holiday camp at Ayr.  No, we were not happy campers - we were on the public road outside peering in through the fence!  Thanks are due to Sir Billy Butlin for saving this magnificent machine - and others.

Our No. 6233 is by Graham Farish; China rather than Poole, I'm afraid, and runs quite well.  There is maybe just a hint of Hornby-Dublo about her, probably due to the smaller-than-scale wheels.

Many thanks for looking and all good wishes.

Toodle-pip.

John and Poppy
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on June 14, 2018, 06:41:29 AM
Good  Morning

That Duchess looks lovely. Magnificent locomotives.
Sadly, growing up in the far South, I saw very fee apart from some rather wobegone examples at Crewe late in the day.
My own preference is green for these lovely engined but your example does look majestic.
I do hope that you and Poppy enjoy running her.
All the best
Martin
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 14, 2018, 07:44:28 AM
Cor, Mrs Keithbythe seaís favourite loco.
I donít currently run steam on Sonmel. Maybe if I got one of these it could be used in negotiations for the extension.... ;)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on June 14, 2018, 08:48:41 AM
Many thanks, chaps.

Good  Morning
That Duchess looks lovely. Magnificent locomotives.
Sadly, growing up in the far South, I saw very fee apart from some rather wobegone examples at Crewe late in the day.
My own preference is green for these lovely engined but your example does look majestic.
I do hope that you and Poppy enjoy running her.
All the best
Martin

The trouble is that I was born too late!  I can just remember seeing steam locomotives in service at Kilmarnock and Ardrossan.  That would probably have been in 1965.  Our local branch line closed in April 1964 when I was five.  But I can remember travelling in a railbus, sitting up the front and being amazed at the complex patterns of the rails at pointwork.

With regard to the BR liveries carried by the 'Princess Coronations', I certainly agree with you.  I travelled behind Duchess of Sutherland a couple of years ago when she was green.  Not that long ago, I had a business trip to Brum and engineered a lot of time to spare before travelling home.  An ideal opportunity to see City of Birmingham - imprisoned but resplendent in BR green as applied by BR.

Cor, Mrs Keithbythe sea’s favourite loco.
I don’t currently run steam on Sonmel. Maybe if I got one of these it could be used in negotiations for the extension.... ;)

Clearly a lady of exquisite taste!

Yes - will probably work.  Perhaps if used in conjunction with gorgeous flowers and a jolly fine dinner.  The world would then be your lobster for an extension.
And wouldn't it look wonderful on Sonmel?  The present day version looks amazing but I wanted an older model as I have a weakness for diecast metal locomotives.  I am on the lookout for a nice Poole-built one as No. 6233 is a Chinese model.

All the very best.

John

 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on June 14, 2018, 09:17:04 AM
I grew up with them all in green.  But towards the end of the fifties a few of the crack expresses appeared in all maroon, hauled by a maroon pacific.  Not many pacifics were converted from BR green, but enough to haul all the crack expresses.  The Princess Royals looked particularly fetching in maroon.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 14, 2018, 10:01:50 AM
I grew up with them all in green.  But towards the end of the fifties, a few of the crack expresses appeared in all maroon, hauled by a maroon pacific.  Not many Pacifics were converted from BR green, but enough to haul all the crack expresses.  The Princess Royals looked particularly fetching in maroon.

I like the ex-LMS Pacifics in both BR Green and BR Maroon liveries but BR Maroon would be my preference. BR Lined Green livery with the Late BR Crest seemed to have suited a very wide variety of passenger locos.

No. 6233 "Duchess of Sutherland" does indeed look very fine in LMS Maroon.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on June 14, 2018, 12:28:37 PM
My own preference is green for these lovely engined but your example does look majestic.
I do hope that you and Poppy enjoy running her.
All the best
Martin

With regard to the BR liveries carried by the 'Princess Coronations', I certainly agree with you.  I travelled behind Duchess of Sutherland a couple of years ago when she was green.

Specially for Martin and John then.........................

https://www.dropbox.com/s/baza4j9uq2iknaf/Duchess%20of%20Sutherland%20at%20Euxton.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/baza4j9uq2iknaf/Duchess%20of%20Sutherland%20at%20Euxton.MOV?dl=0)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on June 14, 2018, 02:26:17 PM
Many thanks for this film, Mick.  That's how she was turned out when I travelled round the 'Forth Circle' with her - BR green with the early emblem.  I asked the driver how she compared with 'No. 9', which I had travelled with a couple of times on this route and he replied, "Aboot the same." [Anglice: 'very similar']  It is always interesting to hear what the footplate crews make of an engine.

And I am glad to report that the blue and yellow diesel locomotive was not in evidence that day!

Thanks again and all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on June 14, 2018, 04:03:59 PM
As you can tell I only just got to the platform in time! :sweat:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on June 14, 2018, 08:43:41 PM
Go East, Young Man!

Hello Chums

'Young man' might be pushing things a bit but, following the 'Princess Coronation' picture yesterday, we've gone East today.  And it's a green engine - LNER green.
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6222-140618202234.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66436)
[D16/3 'Super Claud' No. 8828 eases a Down train into the platform on a fine summer's afternoon.]

This recently-acquired Union Mills 'D16/3' is a real beauty.  She is running with all the grace and poise associated with a good British inside-cylinder 4-4-0.  The photograph is unkind to the painted safety valves and whistle.  I had better attend to these.

By the way, as an experiment, I took another photograph using the automatic 'close-up' setting on the camera which caused the flash to... flash!  The result is a very different effect. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6222-140618203619.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66438)

With all best wishes from the Table-Top Railway.

Thank you for looking.

Tickety-tonk.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on June 14, 2018, 08:53:37 PM
A fine machine indeed although my knowledge of all things LNER is somewhat minimal.
I do recognise a lovely looking locomotive when I see one though.
Iím sure that  Poppy approves of the recent acquisition.
It reminds me that the good folk of the CLPG have an ex LNER loco in their charge and need to give it another run out in the near future.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on June 14, 2018, 09:24:33 PM
A fine machine indeed although my knowledge of all things LNER is somewhat minimal.
I do recognise a lovely looking locomotive when I see one though.
Iím sure that  Poppy approves of the recent acquisition.
It reminds me that the good folk of the CLPG have an ex LNER loco in their charge and need to give it another run out in the near future.

Yes please!  The CLPG's 'B12/3' is a lovely engine.  She would look wonderful sitting in the bay platform at Port Perran with an excursion train.

Poppy does like the 'D16/3' although she has not had much time in the train set room over the past couple of days.  She was at the vet for her three-monthly check-up yesterday and has, as usual, retired to bed to recover from the ordeal.  She is not too keen on diesels and the Dapol NBL 'Type 2' B-B's recent attempt to create a conflagration has not improved matters.  Being a Lothian Cat, what she would really like is a North British 'Atlantic'.  How about it Union Mills?

Many thanks, Martin.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 15, 2018, 07:28:43 AM
I hope Poppy has fully recovered from her check-up.

D16/3 'Super Claud' No. 8828 does look very elegant with the train of LNER varnished teak coaches. The automatic 'close-up' setting does result in a superior photo. A North British Railway 'Atlantic' would be an excellent addition.

I believe the ex-SR T9s were the last 4-4-0s to run on BR in everyday service. The CLPG is eagerly awaiting the results of Eastleigh Works's heavy general overhauls [Douglas at Wickness and Gideon]. The members and local enthusiasts are keeping their fingers and toes crossed that they will have some definite news in July.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on June 15, 2018, 09:27:42 PM
Many thanks, Chris.

I must admit that I like the automatic close up photograph although it has very poor depth of field.  On second thoughts, maybe that is why I like it as the locomotive stands out clearly.

That's very interesting about the last class of 4-4-0 in normal service.  What a shame that the magnificent 'Schools' Class was withdrawn early.  A combination of electrification and a plethora of 'Bulleid Pacifics', I expect.

The last ex-Caledonian Railway Pickersgill '113' Class was withdrawn in December 1962.  There were eight in service at the start of that year.  It was hoped that the last survivor would be preserved but that was not to be.  When was the last 'T9' in normal service withdrawn?

Poppy is in better form today, thank you.  I got a lovely welcome when I returned from my expedition this evening!

Thanks again and best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on June 16, 2018, 04:43:16 PM
Brassed Off

It's a wet Saturday afternoon here between the Forth and the Tweed, so ideal for some time in the train set room.  I mentioned earlier that the lovely Union Mills 'D16/3' 'Super Claud' could do with some attention to its whistle and safety valves.  This has now been done:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6222-160618161143.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66490)

Proper modellers and those of a nervous disposition are advised to go to another thread immediately.  I suggest something like @Atso (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=213) workbench thread to see how an expert craftsman goes about things.


Well, as you are still here, this is the embarrassing bit.  I used the Gold one of these:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6222-160618161435.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66491)

And the Bronze one is ideal (to me, anyway) for GWR copper chimney caps.  I've not found a use for the Silver one yet.  But these are blunt instruments and I'm a clumsy old bodger.  Some sort of protection is required for the parts that are not to be brassed off.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6222-160618161859.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66492)

I used to cut little strips of masking tape and then I found this brilliant 2mm wide stuff.  It is totally tickety-boo for this job.  The masking takes a lot longer than the painting.

Here, if you are interested, is a jackdaw's eye-view of the shiny bits:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6222-160618162535.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66493)

I quite like that last picture as it sort of slightly captures the elusive 'look' that I'm after.  Please think pre-Norris 1930s '0' gauge or 1950s '00'.  And No. 8828 runs as good as she looks.

Many thanks for looking.

All best wishes.

Toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 16, 2018, 08:44:13 PM
A small but very noticeable improvement, John. Well worth the work.

That looks like proper masking tape. (I've used something similar and it's very good. When I have not used masking tape, I have regretted it. It's well worth the minimal expense and the extra time and effort.)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on June 16, 2018, 08:48:18 PM
A great improvement there John which makes a big difference.
I feel that I should do something similar with 1565.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Atso on June 17, 2018, 05:04:06 PM
Brassed Off
Proper modellers and those of a nervous disposition are advised to go to another thread immediately.  I suggest something like @Atso ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=213[/url]) workbench thread to see how an expert craftsman goes about things.


Nothing wrong with what you're doing there John. Also I would refer to myself as another crazy bodger rather than an expert craftsman!

Your improvements to the D16/3 are great and your use of the masking tape is well thought out. You might consider going on more stage beyond the excellent work already done and consider lining the loco using Fox Transfers as well before giving everything a coat of matt varnish to blend everything together.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 19, 2018, 11:41:36 PM
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign:  Many thanks John for your latest post`s, excellent modelling, those small details look superb.
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on June 20, 2018, 09:17:41 AM
What-ho, Chums.

Many thanks indeed for the very kind comments and 'thank yous'.

These are hugely appreciated!

We have an Interior Decorator in the house at present and the train set room is full of stuff from other rooms.  But priorities are priorities and the Table-Top Railway is accessible, if only just.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6222-200618091016.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66697)

Our good friend @Newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) has another thread on the Forum regarding the possible purchase of a motor bicycle.  How about one of these, Mick?  A BSA 'M20' combination.  You could have a layout in the sidecar!

Toodle-pip,

John and Poppy. 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on June 20, 2018, 09:24:16 AM
The BSA is (quite rightly) dwarfed by the Duchess :goggleeyes:
My days of explaining "if it's leaking oil I know there's some in there" are long gone, John ;)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on June 20, 2018, 04:46:22 PM
I wondered what the last photograph would look like in the (inimitable) style of the late Rt Rev Eric Treacy.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/6222-200618164305.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66720)

 :uneasy: :hmmm:

Pip-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on June 20, 2018, 05:25:35 PM
Passing through Edge Hill cutting perhaps?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on June 20, 2018, 09:08:56 PM
Passing through Edge Hill cutting perhaps?

Yes, indeed.  That's exactly what I thought of, which then made me wonder if I could do something similar.  The photographs that I recall are striking head-on views of 'Royal Scots' in original condition.  I don't remember if 'Princess Coronations' featured in these photographs.

Unfortunately, I cannot check any references as the book room is one of those that are subject to the attention of the Interior Decorator and the books are scattered throughout the house.

Thank you very much for recognising what I was attempting.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on June 23, 2018, 06:58:03 PM
Inspired by the rather dramatic shot of 6233 in ďEdge Hill CuttingĒ, an aquaintance of the good Bishop tried his luck in the environs of a somewhat less dramatic cutting in West Cornwall.
The unsuspecting friend was amazed, nay, flabergasted,  on pressing the button on his Kodak Brownie, to see this locomotive burst into view
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-230618185504.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66815)
A 45xx prarie was expected but our friend was dumbstruck by the appearance of an ex LNER B12/3.
(Note the damaged bufferbeam to which I must attend with due haste).
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 23, 2018, 08:10:33 PM
Inspired by the rather dramatic shot of 6233 in ďEdge Hill CuttingĒ, an aquaintance of the good Bishop tried his luck in the environs of a somewhat less dramatic cutting in West Cornwall.
The unsuspecting friend was amazed, nay, flabergasted,  on pressing the button on his Kodak Brownie, to see this locomotive burst into view
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/230-230618185504.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=66815[/url])
A 45xx prarie was expected but our friend was dumbstruck by the appearance of an ex LNER B12/3.
(Note the damaged bufferbeam to which I must attend with due haste).


A very nice photo., Martin, indeed. No wonder the photographer was flabbergasted.

Whilst you're attending to the buffers, I would very gently file away the moulding mark on the right-hand buffer (I have had to do this on some old hard plastic moulded buffers) then repaint it dull silver.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on June 23, 2018, 09:38:57 PM
Many thanks for the brilliant photograph, Martin.

Aren't the 'Fifteen-Hundreds' wonderful-looking locomotives?

Light axle loading and short tenders make them ideal motive power for interesting and scenic places.

I wish Stratford Works (Cornwall Annex) every success in the buffer-beam straightening exercise.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 24, 2018, 01:33:29 PM
 :hellosign: Superb photos John & Martin, looking really good in monochrome, thanks for posting.
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on June 24, 2018, 03:39:31 PM
Must admit I find the look of the buffers on my UM B12 a bit coarse.  Part of me wants to cut them off and replace with something better, but on the other hand I generally like to leave my models as supplied if they came to me in decent condition to begin with.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Hailstone on June 24, 2018, 04:38:08 PM
Must admit I find the look of the buffers on my UM B12 a bit coarse.  Part of me wants to cut them off and replace with something better, but on the other hand I generally like to leave my models as supplied if they came to me in decent condition to begin with.

A quick lick of matt black on the silver areas makes a big difference. I do this on all of mine

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on June 27, 2018, 10:30:16 PM
Update on Recent Progress

Hello Chums

There has been no progress whatsoever!

Davie the joiner and Ricky the interior decorator (j'iner and penter in Midlothian English) have been busy hereabouts and the train set room is now so full of domestic detritus, various, that I can't get near the Table-Top Railway.

As a diversion, I was having a look through some photographs I had taken earlier and decided to have a play with the fancy 'filter' things that are on the computer.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-270618221216.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67026)

I quite liked this effect as it kind of reminded me of some of the early full-colour photographs that I saw in the model railway press years ago.  Distinctly dodgy to modern eyes, of course - just like the Table-Top Railway itself!

Somehow, whatever the filter does to the photograph has made the Kato track take on an appearance vaguely reminiscent of early Hornby-Dublo.  It just needs the third rail...  Apologies for the Kato cable incursion.

Many thanks for looking.

Cheerie-B!

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 10, 2018, 07:35:14 PM
Progress at Last

The train set room is now partly clear of domestic detritus and I celebrated by running trains for a couple of minutes.  Then I lifted the Down line through the station, the bay platform and what was left of the branch line.  The down platform was also demolished.  Perhaps a peculiar sort of progress...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-100718190336.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67340)
[Single line working is in operation on the Up line and the driver of a through freight to the LNER waits whilst the signalman and pilotman get organised.  '2F' 0-6-0 No. 22958 muses to herself that, "It wasn't like this back in the old Midland days."]

I have decided to apply restraint to the Table-Top Railway.  The bay platform and branch line looked fussy to my eyes and I noticed that trains seldom ran on either.  The correct course of action became too obvious to ignore.  Please excuse me whilst I extract the P Way gang from the 'Red Lion' as there will be trains wanting to use the Down line tomorrow.

Thank you for looking.

Best wishes and toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: dannyboy on July 10, 2018, 08:20:28 PM
I noticed that trains seldom ran on either.  The correct course of action became too obvious to ignore.

Sounds like a certain Doctor from the 60s !!  :)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 10, 2018, 09:44:17 PM
Please excuse me whilst I extract the P

Completely out of character for you :o ;)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 11, 2018, 09:03:41 AM
A Successful Night Shift

The P way gang's libations at the Red Lion last evening certainly paid dividends with regard to productivity.  I assume that Poppy, who was appointed PICOP (CICOP?!), was her normal efficient self and ensured the work was completed early to give her more sleeping time.  She was certainly fast asleep when I awoke this morning.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-110718084016.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67347)
['D11/2' 4-4-0 No. 6397 The Lady of the Lake (has any locomotive ever had a prettier name?) eases the first train of the day over the relaid Down line.  A 10 mph TSR is in place until the ballasting is complete.]

I had better start thinking about a down platform as the little people are somewhat inconvenienced at present.  I am following Laurence's description of scratchbuilding a platform at Marton Hinmarche with interest.  I have not been completely happy with the Metcalfe platform surface and fancy trying something different.


Please excuse me whilst I extract the P

Completely out of character for you :o ;)

Agreed, Mick - unheard of.  :laughabovepost:
***



Many thanks for looking.

Best wishes.

Pip-pip.

John


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on July 11, 2018, 09:48:10 AM
Can I suggest plasticard for the platform surface.
There are plenty of surface options available.
Although I have used the Metcalfe ones on Tregonning (the first time I have ever used them) it does look, to my eye, too neat, tidy and uniform.
Each to there own though.
I wish you luck with the build.
I hate to think of your little folk using step ladders to access the carriages.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 11, 2018, 04:49:43 PM

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-110718164724.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67363)

Best Wishes, England

From the Table-Top Railway, Midlothian.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on July 11, 2018, 05:18:36 PM
Thatís brilliant John.
I shall be settling down at about 6-30 with all services on the North Cornwall lines suspended in order that employees can enjoy the match.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 12, 2018, 09:27:38 PM
Busy Bricklaying

The edge of the new down platform is now in place.  It is the Metcalfe brick platform edging mounted on a balsa section salvaged from the previous platform.  I think that I'll continue the raised platform level out for a bit as that is how road-facing platforms tend to be in real life.  The platform and pavement levels are often the same, with a step down to the road.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-120718205640.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67401)

The train nearest the camera is hauled by an LMS '2P' 4-4-0 No. 672.  These locomotives were called 'The Wee Black Yins' when they came to Train Waiting's native ex-G&SWR lines in 1928. 

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-120718205714.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67402)

An aerial view of most of the Table-Top Railway in its present, simpler, form.  Lots more work to be done...

Many thanks for looking.

Best wishes.

Tickety-tonk.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on July 12, 2018, 09:42:57 PM
Looking good. I see you managed to finish the glass of wine between taking the two photos :) :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 13, 2018, 07:05:21 PM
The Down Platform

The removal of the branch line and its bay platform gave me an opportunity to have a second attempt at the down platform.  I was never completely happy with the job I made of assembling the excellent Metcalfe components.  This time, the platform edging is 3/8" balsa square section with the Metcalfe brick edging glued on.  Behind that is a packing of 3/8 balsa and, on top, 1/16 balsa.  The advantage of my selectively very compressed platform is that there are no joins on the platform surface.  It think it was the joins on the Metcalfe card surface that made me uneasy.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-130718184859.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67414)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-130718184955.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67415)

Hopefully, the photographs give the general idea.  The surface is being painted with mid-grey acryllic and sanded with ever-so-fine 'sanding film' from Testors that I bought many years ago.  It's on its third coat of paint at present.

The 'Dukedog' 4-4-0 No. 3204 is on platform edge clearance duties.  The outside frames (double frames to be precise) and whirling cranks for the coupling rods are a fine test of the civil engineer's clearance calculations.  I am glad to report that Driver Geoff Duke and his polished 'Dukedog' didn't bash the platform edge.

The platform will take a locomotive and four bogie carriages, which is the maximum capacity of the storage loops as well.  Tickety-boo!

I'll see how I get on with this and then have a think about the up platform.

Finally, a note of thanks to Martin and Laurence for their helpful contributions.  And, Brian, I hid the beer glass from the camera this evening!

Many thanks for looking and all good wishes.

Cheerio.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on July 13, 2018, 09:11:14 PM
I like the finish of the surface and the way you've built the base.  :thumbsup: Pity about the beer glass though. Normally they're very photogenic. :)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on July 13, 2018, 09:14:26 PM
Is that a genuine shedplate in the corner John.
52A - not good on the NE area but is that Gateshead?
Oh, and of course the platform looks fine.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 13, 2018, 10:20:17 PM
Many thanks for your encouragement, Brian and Martin.

I'll need to think about the platform coping stones.  I have some of the Metcalfe adhesive ones left which might do the trick.  Otherwise, it's masking and painting!

Yes, Martin, it's a real one and it's Gateshead.  Many years ago (about 1969), it was given to my late father by a kind railwayman at Dalry station (Ayrshire).  It had fallen off a passing locomotive (a new take on fallen off a lorry!) and had been gathering dust in the porters' room.  The railwayman knew that my father had a little boy who liked trains and who lived at the end of a closed branch line!*  It has been on or around all of my model railways since (as have a pair of MR wagon plates given to me by a lovely old gentleman who used the wagon as a garage).  They are all very handy as weights too!  I have some other plates as well, but these do not have any sentimental value and are rarely on display.
 
*There is a rail chair from that closed branch line in the garden.  'G&SWR 1903'.  I brought it home (about a couple of miles) in my grandfather's wheelbarrow.  I would have been about 11 at the time.  There are also a couple of (new) brake blocks from an Andrew Barclay 0-4-0ST in the garden, given to me by her driver!

But that's enough of my boring reminiscences.

Thanks again.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 14, 2018, 07:40:51 AM
I like the look of the re-modelled platform  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 14, 2018, 09:39:06 AM
Many thanks for the interesting reminiscences and the updates, John. Whilst I like bay platforms and branches, being accustomed to them, the new platform does look very fine and should be very good for photographing trains at.

You could always leave the bay platform in situ representing a closed line. (As you know, some were closed pre-WW2.)

The 'Dukedog' is very fine and both Martin and you may be interested to know that although they were not cleared to run to Wadebridge, the "2301" Dean Goods locos. (which I think you both have from Union Mills?) were. (Not that I'm aware any did or were shedded locally. However, I may be tempted to buy one, in future.)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 14, 2018, 08:53:11 PM
Many thanks, Chris.

If you can stick to buying only one Union Mills 'Dean Goods', you have much stronger willpower than I have!  It is just about the loveliest 'N' gauge locomotive imaginable.  My first one arrived a day before we went on holiday and it came with us so that I could look at it.  Mrs Train Waiting is very understanding.

With regard to the branch line, I have enlisted Winston and the 'Ministry of Truth' to re-write history.  Rather than a horrid branch line closure, the present understanding is simply that there was never a branch line!

This means that some other content from previous posts is now considered un-content...

Thanks again and all best wishes.

John

 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 15, 2018, 10:23:25 AM
 :hellosign: Many thanks John (& Poppy) for the excellent updates, your platforms are looking good, watching with interest & gaining ideas for the near future
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on July 15, 2018, 10:27:34 AM
Just caught up with this.  :thumbsup:

Looking great!  :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 15, 2018, 10:43:12 AM
Thanks, John. Well, you can still explain the bay platform by there having been made plans for a branchline to be built to the junction station by another independent railway company but that company was never able to raise the finance to build it so the empty bay remains to this very day.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 15, 2018, 01:31:33 PM
:hellosign: Many thanks John (& Poppy) for the excellent updates, your platforms are looking good, watching with interest & gaining ideas for the near future
    regards Derek.


Many thanks for these very kind words, Derek.  John is making some progress with our train set, but I have found that he needs constant supervision and detailed instructions.

With kindest regards.

Poppy

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-150718133026.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67453)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on July 15, 2018, 01:33:06 PM
Is thst Poppy adding an extra cross brace to the baseboard John?
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on July 15, 2018, 01:43:55 PM
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-150718133026.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67453[/url])


As happy as a pig cat in clover :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 15, 2018, 09:47:37 PM
A '4F' Appears

Some time ago I acquired a job lot of 'N' gauge models locally.  This was more to help the family than out of any desire to obtain a large amount of second-hand stuff.  The plan was (and still is) to keep anything that I want and dispose of surplus items to good homes through the Forum.  I have no desire to get involved in selling by means of Ebay or similar.  Progress on looking through the horde had stalled until today.  Ignoring the diesels, I had a look at the steam locomotives today and selected this one for a test run.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-150718212633.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67464)
[Graham Farish LMS  '4F' 0-6-0 No. 3851]

It certainly runs well and is interesting to compare with the Union Mills locomotives which are the normal motive power on the layout.  What is really impressive is how quiet it is on the Kato 'Unitrack' mounted on Sundeala on the Table-Top Railway (Mk. III).  The Union Mills locomotives are noisy on this set-up.  However, on the Kato 'Unitrack' mounted on 10mm 'filter foam' of the tiny Table-Top Railway (Mk II), there is much less of a difference as both the Union Mills locomotives and this '4F' are virtually silent.

The fine detail included on the '4F' is very impressive and it looks good in a photograph... even one of mine!  The coupling rods are a tad overscale so I have used the platform edge to help disguise this.  I think that I might keep this one.

Thank you for looking and all best wishes.

Toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 15, 2018, 10:23:50 PM
I think the Farish 4F is an absolute corker. It looks good, runs well and hauls what I want it to. I have its Farish predecessor as well which does the same but is not as detailed.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 16, 2018, 07:13:16 AM
I agree with both of you re: the looks of the latest Graham Farish 4F model. My vote would be for keeping it, too, John.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on July 16, 2018, 05:16:48 PM
What a lovely locomotive John.
It looks the part ex works and running in methinks.
Just waiting for the crew to return having just enjoyed a cuppa in the enginemenís hut at the end of the platform.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 16, 2018, 07:48:34 PM
Many thanks for the helpful and interesting comments about the Graham Farish '4F'.  I have been agreeably surprised by how well this locomotive runs (simply looking absolutely terrific is not enough at the Table-Top Railway, where trains are required to operate reliably for my idle amusement.)  I believe the '4F' to be a better runner than the Graham Farish 'A2', No. 60527 Sun Chariot, which I bought new.  I wonder if this is anything to do with the '4F' being locomotive drive and the 'A2' being tender drive.  I'm sure that there is a Graham Farish 'J39' in the 'job lot'.  This will be an interesting comparison as it will be tender drive.  Is it too much to hope that it is in LNER livery?

I hope to have another half-hour this evening enjoying the '4F' running round with a mixed Up freight train.  I might divert myself to rummaging through the pile of boxes in a game of hunt the 'J39'.

Thanks again and toodle-pip.

John   
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-160718194328.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67484)
Apologies to anyone who can't stand orange flowers!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on July 16, 2018, 07:51:13 PM
Those orange flowers match our camper van very nicely.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 16, 2018, 08:16:00 PM
Those orange flowers match our camper van very nicely.

Bertie and Lily.

Sounds like two characters from Much Ado About Not Very Much!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: wookie on July 19, 2018, 11:37:53 AM
Ignoring the diesels

 :veryangry:  :'(  :(
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 19, 2018, 02:13:24 PM
The Hunt for a 'J39'

Hello Chums

I thought that there might be a 'J39' somewhere in the pile of stuff that comprises the job lot.  I tried to ignore the diesels...

Ignoring the diesels

 :veryangry:  :'(  :(


... but there were simply too many to ignore, so I bravely fought my way through the (what's the collective?) of diesels, assorted, in liveries, various.  There was even a 'Warship' in maroon with full yellow ends which gave me a nervous moment.  But I endeavoured to persevere and found, right at the bottom, this:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-190718135157.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67564)

Lucky me - an LNER one; totally tickety-boo!

It runs nicely.  Maybe not quite as well as the '4F', but still jolly spiffing.

Here they are together:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-190718135422.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67565)

I'll not attempt to compare these two Graham Farish models with my much-used and greatly-loved Union Mills '3F' and 'J39' as they represent different approaches to the design and construction of a model railway locomotive.  Still, the 'J39' looks like it is a 'keeper' as well.

As for the plethora of diesels, I really ought to think about getting round to listing them on the Forum.  Hopefully, they will all find good homes.  There is also a maroon 'Warship' with small yellow ends, I think, and 'Hymeks', lots of 'Hymeks'.  And a couple of 'Peaks'.  And more...

Many thanks for looking.

Best wishes and toodle-pip.

John


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: 25901JFM on July 19, 2018, 02:33:39 PM
Hi John,

Would be interested to see what diesels you have on offer and would be interested in a peak.  I do like a diesel, something to do with my age I guess, having grown up in the BR Blue era!

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 19, 2018, 04:12:15 PM
I rate my Farish J39 very highly as it looks good, runs good and, by golly, it does you good (spot the old advert)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zt4ajzm9dcnm4qf/J39%20on%20Kimbolted%20ballast%20freight.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/zt4ajzm9dcnm4qf/J39%20on%20Kimbolted%20ballast%20freight.MOV?dl=0)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 19, 2018, 07:11:33 PM
I rate my Farish J39 very highly as it looks good, runs good and, by golly, it does you good (spot the old advert)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zt4ajzm9dcnm4qf/J39%20on%20Kimbolted%20ballast%20freight.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/zt4ajzm9dcnm4qf/J39%20on%20Kimbolted%20ballast%20freight.MOV?dl=0)

Many thanks, Mick.

That's a great little film of a 'J39' in action.  A few years later than my own pre-Hogmanay 1938 era, but fabulous nevertheless.

Thanks again and all the very best.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 19, 2018, 07:35:52 PM
Hi John,

Would be interested to see what diesels you have on offer and would be interested in a peak.  I do like a diesel, something to do with my age I guess, having grown up in the BR Blue era!

John

Well, John, you are a miracle worker!

You have stirred me from my customary lethargy and I have photographed the two 'Peaks' so that I can attempt to list them on the Forum.  A good home is far more important to me than the tinkle, so they won't be for sale elsewhere.

Here they are, together.  I won't repeat what Sid the signalman is saying about having these two machines sitting outside his 'box.  Sid has still not got over nationalisation, never mind BR diesels.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-190718192822.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67574)

D163 and D67.  Are these the kind of thing in which you might be interested?

Like you I grew up in the BR blue era, although I was in the cab of D1613 when it was still green - I think!  I started hunting steam at the local NCB sites and was smitten by these living machines.  Once I had 'driven' a steam engine (even one with only four wheels) I could never love a diesel!  I tend to ignore them at preserved railways (but I am glad that they are preserved).  However, I really enjoy seeing diesels in action on other 'N' gauge layouts.  I have bought four diesels (all pre-yellow ends) for my layout, but they rarely move.

By the way, I travelled behind a few 'Peaks', but blue ones.  They were often on the Glasgow-Nottingham or Leeds; successors to the 'Thames-Clyde Express'.

Toodle-oo.

John


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: 25901JFM on July 19, 2018, 08:38:59 PM
Hi John,

Would certainly be tempted by those!  I grew up well and truly in the Blue era being born in September 1967.  I didn't form any real interest in trains until I was around the age of 11 or 12.  From memory everything in traffic was Blue by then apart from 40106.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 19, 2018, 08:45:50 PM
Being rather older, I remember BR diesels in green and some "Warships and "Westerns" in maroon. However, I remember most the BR Blue era.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on July 19, 2018, 09:08:47 PM
And I'd be tempted by Hymeks. :thumbsup:
Though I have to admit that those two 0-6-0 locos look very nice indeed.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 19, 2018, 09:21:21 PM
What-ho, Chums

Here is a space/time paradox!  A 'Peak' diesel No. D67 The Royal Artilleryman has been transported back to 193?.  The steam engines are appalled!  But the carriage livery is quite nice.  D67 runs well, though.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rf1nnx8dvh5bsvf/%27Peak%27%20D67.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/rf1nnx8dvh5bsvf/%27Peak%27%20D67.MOV?dl=0)

The 1Co-Co1 is looking for a good home.  I'm attempting to auction it on the Forum which is a bit bold for the likes of me.  If that doesn't work, I'll think of something else.

Thank you for indulging me.

Toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 19, 2018, 09:39:06 PM
And I'd be tempted by Hymeks. :thumbsup:
Though I have to admit that those two 0-6-0 locos look very nice indeed.

"Hymeks" are my favourite diesels. I have two BR Green SWP ones, both renumbered to ones which spent a long time allocated to Plymouth (Laira); a new BR Blue with light grey window surrounds and SWPs (my second favourite "Hymek" livery) and, thanks to John, a BR Blue LWP one (the livery in which I best remember them) awaiting its place in the DCC-fitting queue.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 19, 2018, 09:43:09 PM
Again, I used to use the Varsity line in the opposite direction to Oxford and go to Bedford, where it was great to see the Peaks roaring round the superelevated curves which bypassed the station (hence me having 3 green ones - D7, D55 and D163)


Here they are, together.  I won't repeat what Sid the signalman is saying about having these two machines sitting outside his 'box.  Sid has still not got over nationalisation, never mind BR diesels.


Sid's probably saying "Oh No! Not Twin Peaks again"


I'll get me coat
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 19, 2018, 09:49:07 PM
 :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on July 19, 2018, 09:49:47 PM
"Hymeks" are my favourite diesels.
As a kid my friend had a Triang Hymek and I always wanted one.  I did have the Big Big Train plastic O gauge set, that was great!

Nowadays I run german N so my equivalent of a Hymek is a V160, and the V200 is the equivalent of the Warship.  Nothing really to equate to a Western though.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 19, 2018, 09:52:41 PM

As a kid my friend had a Triang Hymek and I always wanted one.

My Mum still has a pic of me aged 8 holding up my Triang Hymek Christmas pressie. Boy, was I relieved when Dapol brought theirs out :)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 21, 2018, 01:16:41 PM
What a Non-Corker!

Hello Chums

There are probably as many favoured methods of cleaning track as there are railway modellers.  My favourite, until recently, was a piece of cloth on a cork (English Sparkling Wine is ideal) and a dash of meths on the cloth.  Between cleaning sessions, a quick rub round with the cork.  When the cork gets grubby, a rub with sandpaper restores it to nice 'n' clean.

Then Mrs TW and I were given a bottle of cooking claret.  It was okay, but at the cheap end of the claret range.  It had an artificial cork (told you it was a cheap one!) which I was about to throw out when an idea occurred to me.  For once, one of my ideas had some sense - this non-cork is a wizard wheeze for track cleaning!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-210718130554.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67620)

Here it is, having cleaned the rails.  One knows by feel if there are problem areas of track, as the non-cork appears to slide along the rails easier.  Once the track is clean, it meets more resistance.

Then, after a wash, some sandpaper and another wash, here it is ready for duty again.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-210718130835.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67621)

As you can, hopefully, see it is 7/8" diameter which is ideal for 'N' gauge track.

Many apologies to anyone who has been using a non-cork for years.  Just because I stumbled upon this having consumed most of the claret (Mrs TW didn't like it...), does not make it an original idea.

Many thanks for looking.

Best wishes and tickety-tonk.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 21, 2018, 01:31:42 PM
I generally tend to find the words 'stumbling' and 'most of the claret' tend to go hand in hand ;D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on July 21, 2018, 02:04:44 PM
If it was cooking claret, you should have been cooking with it, not drinking it!  :dunce:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on July 21, 2018, 02:17:40 PM
Iím glad you put the car in for scale.
I thought it was a cheese.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on July 21, 2018, 09:41:04 PM
I was wondering if the stumbling occurred before the claret or after. :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 21, 2018, 09:50:35 PM
It was after the claret, Brian.  I looked at the two non-corks that came out of the bottle and thought, "Hic!"

Next day, in the afternoon, I thought, "'N' gauge track cleaning."

I must emphasise that this was not a particularly good claret.  But good claret might be counter-productive for track cleaning as Chateau Margaux won't use non-corks.  So, if you want to try this at home, better go for the rough stuff or, as it is called at Table-Top Railway Towers, cooking claret.

The non-cork appears to be very effective for track cleaning, though.

Chin-chin.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on July 21, 2018, 10:16:01 PM
We have paint stripper here that is sold as table wine,complete with non-cork corks.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 22, 2018, 09:03:49 AM
Thank You Very Much

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-220718085543.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67649)

I realised that today marks the start of my second year as a member of this wonderful Forum.

I should like to say thank you to all my Forum Friends for, firstly, the warm welcome and then for your infinite courtesy and patience in putting up with my all my nonsense.  Thank you!

What's the plan for the next year?  I have a fair-sized bit of nice plywood, left over from the recent work on the house.  This is earmarked to be the baseboard for the Table-Top Railway (Mk. IV).  Such a simple concept, effectively a model of Bertie Wooster's train set of 50-80 years ago, but proving difficult to realise.  It's still clear in my head, though, so worth another try.

And then I fancy having a shot at a 'proper' scenic model railway.  I expect that, apart from the track gauge, this will be pretty much the opposite of the Table-Top Railway.

I very much hope that you will consider allowing me to remain a member of the Forum for another year.

With the very best of good wishes.

Thank you for looking.

Toodle-pip.

John (and Poppy!)

 

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on July 22, 2018, 09:14:27 AM
Thank you for the compliments!  :thumbsup:

I guess when you start a "proper" layout, as long as it's N gauge, you can stay another year  :beers: ;) ;D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on July 22, 2018, 09:15:26 AM
Very good to have your enthusiasm, wit, good humour and excellent manners on the forum John.
I look forward to another year of your continued forum contributions.
And I am especially looking forward to your scenic railway.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on July 22, 2018, 09:43:06 AM
Please stay for as long as you can put up with us (or as Churchill would say "up with us you can put").
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 22, 2018, 09:55:36 AM
It's been interesting and fun so far so long may it continue. I do enjoy yours and Poppy's posts.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: weave on July 22, 2018, 09:58:22 AM
Poppy can definitely stay.

 We could always have a TWexit poll. I'm voting remain so that's 5 to nothing for John so far  :thumbsup:.  :claphappy:

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on July 22, 2018, 10:18:32 AM
You have to stay.... another track cleaning idea for you to try  :D

Mrs Keith is partial to the odd sherry. Certain brands, mentioning no names, come with a non-cork with a slightly bevelled edge. Itís perfect for cleaning both top and inside of the rail.
 Needless to say Mrs Keith is very supportive of my track cleaning requirements.  :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on July 22, 2018, 10:25:02 AM
 :laughabovepost: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 22, 2018, 10:37:11 AM
Very good to have your enthusiasm, wit, good humour and excellent manners on the forum John.
I look forward to another year of your continued forum contributions.
And I am especially looking forward to your scenic railway.

Seconded! And an excellent choice of locos., a GWR Collett 0-6-0. 8-)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 22, 2018, 04:38:52 PM
The Table-Top Railway (Mk IV)!

What-ho, Chums

Firstly, many thanks for all these lovely comments.  These are very much appreciated.

As has probably become clear from my posts over the past few months, I have a feeling (probably a very strong feeling) that the Table-Top Railway (Mk III) has strayed from what I have in mind.  It is heading more in the direction of a model railway, but probably not a very good one.

The original 'glorified train set' concept is getting lost.  Time for a bit of a think.

(Mk III) is 2m x 1m.  Martin @port perran (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230) once remarked how big it is and that was prescient.  The back loops take a 'Pacific' and four long bogie coaches.  I now think that is too big for a train set.  The 'standard' British train set in the 'fifties and 'sixties was probably 'six by four'.  'Eight by four' if one was particularly lucky.  Simply halfing the '00' dimensions doesn't work because No 1 curves were the thing back then.  It's fair to say that No 2 is the normal design minimum now for both '00' and 'N'.  Union Mills does specify No 1 as a minimum, of course.

Probably somewhere around 'four by two-and-a half' is the present day equivalent of the old train sets in British 'N' gauge.

Now let's, if you don't mind, go back a bit further.  About ninety years ago, Bertie Wooster would probably have built his train set on a billiards table.  Mr Jeeves probably got it working, but that is another story.  It would have been 'twelve by six' and Hornby-style '0' gauge.  A 2/7 ratio (29%) certainly won't work here because the curves on the tinplate track were more like corners.  I think around 35% will be required in order to cope with the present day No 2 minimum radius.  That makes our equivalent to Bertie's billiards table 4'2" x 2'2" or thereabouts.

This sits happily with the '00'-based ratio ante.

Therefore, the Table-Top Railway (Mk IV) will be around this size.  I had better measure the nice bit of ply in the garage to check that it can form the baseboard.  I anticipate, from previous experience, that this will result in a layout that is transportable but not portable.  It'll need two people to carry it.  I have grown to accept this state of affairs and I'll leave 'portable' to the likes of Windmill Hill and Tregonning, both of which are excellent and far better than anything I could achieve.

If you forgive me, I'll start a new thread in 'Layout Planning' for the 'proper' scenic model railway, a plan for which is evolving in the vacant space between my ears.  It will be nothing like the Table-Top Railway!

Many thanks for looking.

Toodle-oo.

John   
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 22, 2018, 04:55:52 PM
Sounds intriguing, John. Of course, having The Table-Top Railway (Mk IV) does not preclude you also having a scenic railway layout, too. (Fortunately, you have the space.)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on July 22, 2018, 04:59:30 PM
Exciting stuff Jeeves.
I see you as Jeeves rather than the likeable but rather excitable Bertie Wooster.
I do hope that sits happily with you.
I shall be scanning the Layout Planning thread with interest.

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 22, 2018, 05:14:25 PM
Sounds intriguing, John. Of course, having The Table-Top Railway (Mk IV) does not preclude you also having a scenic railway layout, too. (Fortunately, you have the space.)

That's the cunning and subtle plan, Chris.

Exciting stuff Jeeves.
I see you as Jeeves rather than the likeable but rather excitable Bertie Wooster.
I do hope that sits happily with you.

Most certainly; thank you Sir.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on July 22, 2018, 08:47:34 PM
A bit late in the day but I'll go along with everybody else and let you stay. :D
This latest concept sound intriguing and I await with anticipation.
Anticipation says he'll hang around for a while. :confused1:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: dannyboy on July 22, 2018, 08:54:29 PM
I suppose if Poppy is staying, you might as well stay as well.  ;) :). And to use the word used in the above posts - 'intriguing' !
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 24, 2018, 07:20:48 PM
More on Mk IV

Many thanks for all those lovely comments.

I mentioned earlier that 'four by two-and-a-half' was probably the modern British 'N' gauge version of the old train set 'six-by-four' and remarked how this was similar to my attempt to scale Bertie Wooster's Hornby '0' gauge on a billiards table down to 'N' (about 4'2" by 2'2", I thought).

I also mentioned the fair-sized bit of nice plywood in the garage.  It turned out to be 5'1" by 4'.

I believe that a two foot width is tempting, but less than ideal for 'N' gauge.

When I take the motor omnibus into Edinburgh, I see lots of lovely buildings.  In the New Town, these are a masterclass in the use of the 'Golden Ratio'.  If you have ever wondered why a four-by-two looks a bit 'thin and awkward' that's the reason.  The Golden Ratio is 1:1.6 (rounded!), not 1:2.

There we are then: the Table-Top Railway Mk IV will be four-by-two-and-a-'alf.  Complies with classical aesthetics and allows a Peco 'Setrack' Third Radius Curve*.

The ply has been cut and the cork is on order from Charles Cantrill.  I learned my lesson on Mk I and II with foam and on Mk III with nothing.  This time it's 3/16" cork - reassuringly conventional.

I need a few bits of 'Setrack' and will head into Harburn Hobbies tomorrow - how lucky we are to have them.

* Third radius is 11 3/4" to the track centre and 12 1/16" to the outside edge of the sleepers.

Many thanks for looking.

With all best wishes.

Toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: weave on July 24, 2018, 08:03:19 PM
Hi John,

Always looking forward to new builds and progress with the others.

Glad your going to the model shop. I try to purchase stuff from Alton Model Centre and Addlestone Models when I work up there but they don't do Continental  :(. Really just paints, glue, balsa wood etc.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS If anyone else didn't have a clue what the 'golden ratio' is, I googled it to save you looking it up....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

What can I say. Would a model shop sell a gun and one bullet?  :D

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on July 24, 2018, 08:05:02 PM
Hi John,

Always looking forward to new builds and progress with the others.

Glad your going to the model shop. I try to purchase stuff from Alton Model Centre and Addlestone Models when I work up there but they don't do Continental  :(. Really just paints, glue, balsa wood etc.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS If anyone else didn't have a clue what the 'golden ratio' is, I googled it to save you looking it up....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

What can I say. Would a model shop sell a gun and one bullet  :D
Thanks for that Weave.
I was wondering.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: weave on July 24, 2018, 08:15:27 PM
Hi John,

Just thought about my PS and meant the bullet for me trying to understand that, not you, in case you thought that  :)

Cheers weave  :beers:
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Webbo on July 25, 2018, 10:24:42 AM
Hi John

I have to admit that I'm not with you with all of this. Your table top idea is fine, but I think it works best with the crude looking mechanisms and track of OO gauge from 50 years ago - Hornby Dublo, Triang, Trix etc. Even better you could go with O gauge Hornby clockwork or electric. The big advantage of modern N gauge (or scale) is that we have highly detailed locos and rolling stock and track in a smaller space so I do wonder why one would want to go retrograde when you can have a 6' x 4' OO layout that not only looks the part but is the part.

Webbo
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 25, 2018, 09:26:45 PM
Hi John

I have to admit that I'm not with you with all of this. Your table top idea is fine, but I think it works best with the crude looking mechanisms and track of OO gauge from 50 years ago - Hornby Dublo, Triang, Trix etc. Even better you could go with O gauge Hornby clockwork or electric. The big advantage of modern N gauge (or scale) is that we have highly detailed locos and rolling stock and track in a smaller space so I do wonder why one would want to go retrograde when you can have a 6' x 4' OO layout that not only looks the part but is the part.

Webbo



Hello Webbo

Thank you very much indeed for this helpful and thoughtful post.  You have made me stop and think, and that is a great achievement.  I believe I know what I am attempting to achieve, but why?  My mind works slowly and it might be a day or two before I respond.

You are correct about space.  I have sufficient in the Train Set Room for '00' and for 'standard scale' '0'.  Finescale '0' would be fine providing it went in a fairly straight 17' line or was industrials.  So why 'N' gauge?

I'm off to think...

Thanks again for these thought-provoking observations.


Hi John,

Always looking forward to new builds and progress with the others.

Glad your going to the model shop. I try to purchase stuff from Alton Model Centre and Addlestone Models when I work up there but they don't do Continental  :(. Really just paints, glue, balsa wood etc.

Cheers weave  :beers:

PS If anyone else didn't have a clue what the 'golden ratio' is, I googled it to save you looking it up....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio

Many thanks, Chris.

You are fortunate to live and work in such a lovely part of the country.

I feel that continental modelling is not as popular as it was back in the 1970's when I was a young reader of Model Railway Constructor and that trade support appears to be softening.  Maybe it is just that continental is now happy in its own place in Continental Modeller.

Harburn Hobbies was in fine form today and I obtained what I needed with the usual charming service. 

With regard to the Golden Ratio, it is all around us, so please don't bother with the mathematics.

As a trivial example, pick a card, any card*.  Now multiply the length short side by 1.6 and you will almost certainly get very close to the length of the long side.

I've known about it for years but it was my friend, the late Richard Chown, who kindly drew my attention to its application to model railways.

*Was it the two of diamonds?

Best wishes, both, and thank you very much.

John 

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on July 25, 2018, 09:36:02 PM
Goodness, we have a Richard Chow  living in our village!
What a councidence.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 25, 2018, 10:03:14 PM
The Golden Ratio, or the Golden Mean, was well understood by the Ancient Greeks and the Ancient Romans and was then re-discovered in the Renaissance by artists and architects. However, the key point is that, if you understand these ratios, your buildings will look (be perceived as being) 'right'. So, it's well worth understanding.

Continental railway modelling was more popular simply because the model trains were better, then, in every respect. If I had had the money, I think I would have had a West German themed model railway in the 1970s. I had a lovely Arnold catalogue and a Noch Modelle one, too. I used to travel regularly to West Germany and bought kits plus model road vehicles and ISO containers and even a LWB container flat wagon with container that I used on my British layout.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Webbo on July 26, 2018, 01:02:46 AM
John, thank you for your response to my post commenting on your table top railway plans.

After I made my comment, I began to have doubts about it that it might be taken the wrong way by yourself and others. I'm very happy to hear that you have interpreted it in the spirit in which I made the post.  :)

We look forward to seeing your progress no matter how you eventually proceed.

Webbo
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on July 26, 2018, 07:10:08 AM
Just a quick after-note.  The golden ratio is the square root of 2, which is approxiomately 1.414.  So A4 is 210mm X 297mm, A3 297mm X 420mm and A2 420mm X 594mm.  It all goes back to the printing and book-binding trades where they started with a large sheet which was folded once for folio, twice for quarto, three times for octavo, etc.  So a four foot wide table should be 5'7.75'' long, but 4' X 6' is certainly near enough.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 26, 2018, 10:07:42 AM
When I eventually get around to building my model of "The Station Hotel", Cant Cove, I will bear the Golden Ratio in mind.

Returning to the desktop railway. The early Graham Farish N Gauge locos. were very similar to early Hornby Dublo ones in looks and construction and would, I think, go well with Union Mills locos.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 26, 2018, 09:09:17 PM
John, thank you for your response to my post commenting on your table top railway plans.

After I made my comment, I began to have doubts about it that it might be taken the wrong way by yourself and others. I'm very happy to hear that you have interpreted it in the spirit in which I made the post.  :)

We look forward to seeing your progress no matter how you eventually proceed.

Webbo

Very many thanks, Webbo.

Quite the contrary!  I was actually very pleased (and, yes, a bit flattered as well) that you were sufficiently interested in my obscure ramblings to make such a helpful contribution.  I was in Perth (the Scottish one!) today on 'big railway' business which occupied my brain cell, so I am still reflecting on the points you raised regarding little railways.

Thanks again.

With kind regards.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 26, 2018, 09:30:12 PM
Just a quick after-note.  The golden ratio is the square root of 2, which is approxiomately 1.414.  So A4 is 210mm X 297mm, A3 297mm X 420mm and A2 420mm X 594mm.  It all goes back to the printing and book-binding trades where they started with a large sheet which was folded once for folio, twice for quarto, three times for octavo, etc.  So a four foot wide table should be 5'7.75'' long, but 4' X 6' is certainly near enough.

Thank you very much for this, Laurence.

I thought phi was (1+square root of 5) divided by 2 (1.618), rather than square root of 2 and dated back to Euclid and his chums rather than printers and bookbinders who came along a fair bit later.

Thank you for this clarification.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 26, 2018, 09:52:19 PM
The Golden Mean, or Golden Ratio, certainly predates printers and bookbinders.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on July 27, 2018, 06:47:28 AM
Sorry, I got my wires crossed.  :-[ I was talking about the printer's ratio, which also gives the ratio between the shortest side and the longest side, but is infineitely applicable, dividing into equal rectangles rather than a recangle and a square.  Sorry!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 27, 2018, 09:33:21 AM
Many thanks, Laurence.

I am relieved that I'll not have another four-foot long cut of the plywood to do.  I did it with a simple handsaw.  It's times like these that the passing of the years becomes a tad noticeable.

The cork is here - Charles Cantrill's service is excellent - and is on our kitchen table flattening out*; it is posted rolled up.

A lovely day is forecast and I have few other commitments, so there might be a baseboard for Mk IV by the time the 'red moon' appears over the Lammermuirs.

Aren't our little railways amazing things?  This one is making a man at the (very!) end of his sixth decade feel the same kind of enthusiasm and excitement about trains running round as he experienced at the end of his first. 

*Back numbers of Railway Modeller and Country Life give a good weight/surface area ratio for flattening.  Providing, of course, one does not take them away to read them as I appear to be doing!

Thank you, chums, for your contributions to the enjoyable (to me at least) excursion into the field of geometry.

With all good wishes.

Toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 27, 2018, 10:07:28 PM
Good Evening Ladies and Gentlemen

Mr Wooster has requested me to give you some details regarding the construction of his latest 'Table-Top Railway'.  Mr Wooster apologises that he is not up to this pleasant task himself.  This is a consequence of a series of late evenings with the young gentlemen at the Drones Club.  Mrs Wilberforce and Mrs Gregson are both expected tomorrow and Mr Wooster has retired early to prepare himself for, as he so elegantly expresses it, 'The howling of the mastadons in the swamp'.

We were busy with our train set today and the baseboard is complete.  It is built to 'Dreadnought' specifications with an angel cake construction of plywood, 'Sundeala' and 3/16 cork.

This is intended to resist the tendency of our baseboards to have, as Mr Wooster's good friend @Newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) elegantly expresses it in a post elsewhere, 'a drum effect'.  Young Mr Mick's solution of 'turning the power off' to achieve semi-silence has a brave simplicity to it, but, otherwise, I could not endeavour to recommend it unless one intended to revert to the glories of clockwork propulsion or the earlier 'piddlers'.

In an unanticipated degree of productivity, resulting from Mr Wooster's early retiring, the outer loop has been laid and some limited progress achieved with the inner loop. Young  Mr Fink-Nottle refers to these as the Up and Down lines but, sadly, can never recall which is which.

I have taken two liberties this evening.  I have given Mr Wooster's new purple socks to the under-gardener and I have connected wires for the electricity.  Should it please Mr Wooster, tomorrow morning after, perhaps, one of my 'Restorers' and a hearty breakfast a train will run.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-270718220100.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67724)

I beg to remain, ladies and gentlemen, your humble and ob't sevant.

Jeeves.

Afterword from Poppy.

What a lot of piffle!  The train set room is a bit of a shambles, matey!  You had better get it fixed tomorrow.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on July 28, 2018, 06:41:43 AM
An excellent exposition, if I may say so Jeeves!
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on July 28, 2018, 09:05:46 AM
ďCould I interest you in a small beverage Sir?Ē
ďWhat have we Jeeves?Ē
ďWe have Pimms Sir or a rather fine English ale?Ē
ďOh, in this weather itíll have to be the ale Jeeves. But would you be good enough to add the fruit cocktail as you would with the Pimms, thereís a good chapĒ.
Jeeves, turning to reach over the rather fine model railway, ďAs you wish sirĒ, sigh.....

Looks good John.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 28, 2018, 09:09:25 AM
Good to see Poppy and Hookey share the same taste in haute cuisine :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 28, 2018, 07:35:52 PM
The Table-Top Railway Mk IV

Hello Chums

Many thanks for the kind posts and thank yous.

The broadband signal is playing up today and I have just lost a detailed post regarding progress.  Probably a blessing in disguise as it has spared you from my rambling.  I'll try a few short posts instead.

Here it is, then, Mk IV:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-280718193049.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67735)

Poppy and that very helpful chap, Mr Jeeves, have made good progress with the wiring and trains are now running on both the Up and Down lines.  Like Gussie Fink-Nottle, I regret that I don't know which is which.

Au reservoir and I hope this post doesn't vanish as well when I press the button!

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on July 28, 2018, 07:40:03 PM
The broadband signal is playing up today and I have just lost a detailed post regarding progress.
I usually write long posts in MS Word and then copy them into the post window.  It may save a lot of muttering.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on July 28, 2018, 08:08:42 PM
trains are now running on both the Up and Down lines.  Like Gussie Fink-Nottle, I regret that I don't know which is which.


In UK outline the outer oval is the 'Up' line and travels in a clockwise direction. You are now able to educate Gussie :)
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 29, 2018, 09:34:26 AM
trains are now running on both the Up and Down lines.  Like Gussie Fink-Nottle, I regret that I don't know which is which.



In UK outline the outer oval is the 'Up' line and travels in a clockwise direction. You are now able to educate Gussie :)


Many thanks, Mick.  As this is an entirely imaginary location, with no prototypical Up and Down directions to concern us, that's a splendid idea.  We will inform Gussie and any other welcome visitors by means of some nifty little signs on the controllers.

We are making progress and I hope (broadband connection willing) to post another photograph today.  But, in in the meantime, I wondered if Forum Friends might like to see evidence that Poppy is actually busy on the layout and her valued contribution is not a figment of my imagination!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-290718092901.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67745)

Apologies for the blurring in this action shot - Poppy is a fast worker (when she wants to be).  She is obviously in full agreement with her friend Mick's helpful suggestion about which is the Up line and which is Down.

Many thanks for looking.

With best wishes.

John and Poppy
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 29, 2018, 01:44:45 PM
More on MK IV

Hello Chums

Many thanks to Laurence for the tip about preparing a post in ĎWordí to avoid it being lost if there is a computer problem.  Here is some of the rambling that you were spared yesterday.

This version of the Table-Top Railway incorporates what I have learned from the three previous versions and includes some of my wider experience (or personal prejudices) with model railways.  It is a single 4í x 2í6Ē baseboard of three layers; 12mm ply, 10mm ĎSundealaí and 3/16 cork.  It is heavy; transportable but not portable.  This construction hopefully minimises the Ďdrum effectí.  In use the trains run quietly.  On Mk III, with Kato ĎUnitrackí laid on the ĎSundealaí, trains were noisy.  My favourite locomotives, made by Union Mills, were very noisy.  Lighter locomotives made by Graham Farish were a bit quieter.  I am a believer that model railways should be seen and not heard.  Of course, model locomotives ought to be both seen and Heard!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-290718134639.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67752)

A simple two-track oval with a pair of sidings off the Up and Down lines (the Down Sidings are not laid yet).  These are to be used for visible staging Ė no hidden sidings.  The train size limit is a tender locomotive and three carriages.  There has been some discussion on the Forum about formations comprising an odd number of carriages looking better.  Iím not convinced by this, but I like the option of a third carriage in the train as it gives the opportunity for a buffet car or similar, in addition to the usual Ďcompo and brakeí.  For the goods (freight for the LMS little people on the layout) workings, itís Ďseven and a brake vaní which is a nice length.

The other side of the oval is a simple two platform station.

The track is Peco ĎSetrackí with the ĎSetrackí points.  There are mixed reports about these but I saw them working well on Martinís @port perran (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230)  brilliant Tregonning, so I decided to try them.  They are working well.  I accept that Union Mills locomotives are designed to cope with Ďdead frogí points, but the few locomotives of other makes I have appear fine as well.  The curves are second and third radius.  The sharpest radius is the first radius of the points and this is not causing difficulty, even where the formation includes a reverse curve.

A word on testing.  Trains must run well, fast and slow, both forward and in reverse.  Seeing Enchantress pushing her three coach train into the Up Sidings at line speed is not for the faint-hearted.  Neither is the emergency brake application!

Point control is manual and I am experimenting with a Peco PL-12X motor adaptor so that my big hands are not moving the points themselves.

Each oval has a double power feed and wiring is on top of the baseboard, arranged so that most of it will be covered by scenic development.  ĎCommon returní wiring is used.  This is the same principle as motorcycle wiring where the frame acted as an Ďearthí.  I can understand that.  Gaugemaster, whose controllers I recommend, helpfully states that these are suitable for common return wiring.

Thatís a lot of words about a small and very old-fashioned layout.

Many thanks for looking.

With best wishes.

Toodle-oo.

John


Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 29, 2018, 08:19:19 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks John for the updates on your latest layout construction, looking forward to more in due course
    regards Derek.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 30, 2018, 04:56:53 PM
The Table-Top Railway Mk IV with trains...

Now that the track, apart from the Down sidings, is laid and testing well underway, I thought that I might try to photograph a couple of trains on the new layout..

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-300718163232.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67766)
['A2' 4-6-2 No. 60527 Sun Chariot eases a down passenger train into the, as yet un-named, station.]

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-300718163348.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67767)
[Always a popular engine, 'Prince of Wales' 4-6-0 No. 5604 Enchantress bursts out from the road bridge and heads towards the junction for the Up sidings.]

I have already mentioned that the Union Mills locomotives like the Peco 'Setrack' on 3/16 cork formation.  The Graham Farish locomotives appear to like it as well.  60527 has never run better.

All in all, I'm happy so far.  But the station could do with a name...

By the way, there is a prototype for the 'bridge to nowhere' on the K&WVR at Haworth!

Best wishes and thank you for looking.

Pip-pip.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on July 30, 2018, 06:33:02 PM
In UK outline the outer oval is the 'Up' line and travels in a clockwise direction. You are now able to educate Gussie :)

There's no hard-and-fast standard for which is "Up".   You could  just as easily be operating your model from the perspective of standing next to the Down line    :D
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on July 30, 2018, 07:08:27 PM
Iíve never been a great fan of Locomotives that frequent the East Coast main lines but none the less, that A2 does look good.
I think they somehow suit blood and custard coaches extremely well. Even better than the classic teak coaching stock.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 30, 2018, 07:42:48 PM
Iíve never been a great fan of Locomotives that frequent the East Coast main lines but none the less, that A2 does look good.
I think they somehow suit blood and custard coaches extremely well. Even better than the classic teak coaching stock.

Many thanks, Martin.  I agree about the blood and custard.  It's a very attractive livery.  I find the later BR maroon to be a tad dull.  The 'A2' would be probably be better with the earlier Abram Games-designed emblem.  Maybe Bachmann will sell me a spare tender body!  I must also admit to a silly fancy for a BR blue engine.  I think it might look good with these carriages.


However, for me, it's the teak stock and an apple green locomotive. The great people at the North Norfolk Railway have some nice stock and the 'B12/3'.  There are lovely teak carriages at some other heritage railways (the SVR and NYMR spring to mind) and I love to travel in them.


Here at the Table-Top Railway, we are fortunate enough to have four very nice Dapol teak carriages and a few apple green engines.  And Enchantress with its her (!) LMS crimson lake train.  And all the rest of the wonderful stuff.  Isn't British 'N' gauge marvellous?

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on July 31, 2018, 09:08:56 PM
Goods Trains in the Yard

Hello Chums

Wasn't Much Ado About Not Very Much a lovely short story.  Who would have thought that a model railway forum could be so entertaining!  Martin @port perran (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230) certainly creates some fascinating stories around the places and personalities from his layouts.  I suppose the late PD Hancock started this, although there was a hint of it in John Ahern's Madder Valley Railway.  Certainly Iain Rice carried on the tradition with Tregarrick and, with the late Bob Barlow, the East Suffolk Light Railway.

All of this makes me think that it's high time I branched out on my own with location names for the Table-Top Railway Mk IV.  The previous idea had been to borrow locations and characters from literature.  I think I'll try to create my own for this layout, although a bit from Jane Austen might appear from time to time.  Who can resist a bit from Jane Austen?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-310718205028.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67782)

Of course, it's not just passenger stations that have names.  Here's a couple of goods trains in the Up sidings.  A railway-like name, but it could be something more interesting.  MF Higson's marvellous book, London Midland Fireman mentions the yards and shunts in Lancaster: Castle, New Zealand, Quay, Heysham and Moss, and my favourite, Ladies Walk.  There was also a siding called 'Cable Street'.  Thornton (Fife) had a siding called 'The Fat Wife' but the less said about the origin of that name the better!

I'll have a think and, perhaps, ask Poppy.  In the meantime, the trains are running well, really well.  I have an appointment for a Gala Luncheon in Edinburgh on Thursday, which ought to give me the opportunity to pop into Harburn Hobbies beforehand for the material to construct the Down sidings.  These will be a bit shorter than the Up sidings.  Not a bad thing as this will encourage different train lengths.

Many thanks for looking and all good wishes.

Toodle-pip.

John

 
 
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 31, 2018, 09:16:58 PM
Ah, Tregarrick (includes Pentewan):

http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/124165-tregarrick-tales/ (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/124165-tregarrick-tales/)

Alas, I do not have any of the above-listed articles.

Much Ado About Not Very Much is indeed an excellent short story. I really must finish my main story thread, at least, so that one of the sub-threads can be continued.
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 02, 2018, 09:03:19 AM
A Hand-Knitted Tea Cosy

Hello Chums.

Here's a quote from Martin @port perran (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230) from April of this year regarding the Table-Top Railway (Mk III):

This is looking like the trainset I had when I was 10!
Whereís the Hornby art-deco style signal box?
Oh and one of those tunnels that looks like a tea cosy with a hole on each side.
Tis looking good though.
Good to see an overview.
Cheers.


What a lovely compliment and a neat summing-up of what I'm trying to do.  Anyway, I love the comparison of the old train set tunnels to a tea cosy and this has inspired some work over the past day or two:-

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-020818084732.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67791)

A couple of Peco tunnel mouths, some spare balsa and a few ice-lollipop sticks!  It will need the terrifying artistic stuff on top to make it look the part.  To paraphrase Dolly Parton, it takes a lot of effort to make something look so unrealistic.  It's a model of a model, I suppose.

The layout uses Peco 'Setrack' with number two and three curves.  Using the biggest locomotive, No. 60527 Sun Chariot and longest coaches (Graham Farish Bulleid stock), to set clearances shows what a jolly tight fit this is.  Hastings Gauge!  I don't think I could have managed it with number one and two curves.

The tunnel's official name is 'Improbable Tunnel' (35 Yards), but its local name is 'Tea Cosy Tunnel' and the little hill is known as the 'Tea Cosy'.  Well, if there is a Sugar Loaf, why not a Tea Cosy?

Today, before the Gala Luncheon in Edinburgh, I'll get the points and a few track pieces to complete the Down sidings.  I don't think that I'll be laying the track this evening, though!

Many thanks for looking.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 03, 2018, 12:02:59 PM
Track Complete and Wiring Working

Hello Chums

I had another productive visit to Harburn Hobbies yesterday (absolutely charming service) and obtained the last few track pieces and motor adaptor bases (PL-12X) to complete the tracklaying.  I have to report an impulse purchase as well; the newly-published Peebles Loop by Middleton Press.  The lines covered in this book are local to me and are of interest.  I have not bought one of these Middleton books for a while and was impressed by the paper quality.  It used to be very matt but now it's semi-gloss which helps the photographs no end.

Here is the layout complete as regards track and wiring.  It has capacity for four trains and I think that it will enable me to idle away many happy hours watching the trains go past.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-030818115116.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67815)

I fully appreciate that this type of train set layout might not be to many people's taste and that some of my construction eccentricities, such as above-baseboard wiring and manual point operation using the PL-12X adaptors to protect the points from my big hands, may be worth avoiding.  However, I think it is about as close as I'll get to what I want to achieve with the Table-Top Railway.

Today, Poppy and I will play trains!

Thank you for looking and all best wishes.

Tickety-tonk.

John

Title: Re: A Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on August 03, 2018, 12:12:59 PM
That's beggining to look like a proper train set!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 03, 2018, 01:54:46 PM
That's beggining to look like a proper train set!  :thumbsup:

Thank you very much, Laurence, for that lovely compliment.

My objective is to make a layout which is a train set trying and failing to be a model railway.

This is proving to be easier said than done.  Mark III received some very kind comments that it was definitely a model railway (the consensus at the time appeared to be that it was the ballasting that did it!).  I am determined that this won't happen to Mk IV.  But the fun for me is in pressing on as far as that thin meandering line that separates a train set from a model railway and then stopping just short.

Part One is to build a proper train set and your reassurance that I am safely on that course is much appreciated.  Part Two will be to develop carefully the scenic side of things.  And Part Three will be make sure each time the scenic work moves the layout to 51% on the model railway side of the line, that I do something to drag it back by 2%.  The trick will be, I think, to make sure that what I do to reclaim that 2% each time is not so obvious that it spoils the overall impression.

I am well aware that this is a bizarre pursuit.  My next effort will be a model railway.  Hopefully, that will be easier!

Thanks again and all good wishes.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 03, 2018, 08:23:46 PM
The Joy of a Train Set!

Hello Chums,

I think the 10-years-old me would have liked this...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-030818200344.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67820)

... which is pretty much what I'm after.

This is the six-track part of the layout.  How train set is that? 

From the rear: GWR 'B Set' (Dapol) ECS, LNER 'J39' 0-6-0 No. 1856 (Graham Farish) with a short goods train (wagons by Peco [3] and Graham Farish [1]), Down main line clear, Up main line with NER 'R' 4-4-0 No. 592 (Union Mills) and a three-coach passenger train (Dapol), Up siding clear and GWR '22xx' 0-6-0 No. 2284 (Peco) with a goods train (Peco 9]).

One of the many benefits of a train-set layout is not having to explain why the 'R' is still in NER livery in the late 'thirties.  But it is an agreeable livery!  This picture demonstrates, I think, how helpful the trade is to us British 'N' gauge enthusiasts.

I have a glass of cool white wine and Poppy has 'Dreamies' (Mrs Train Waiting is out!) and we are now going to watch the trains run round.

Thank you for looking, best wishes...

... and chin-chin!

John and Poppy.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 04, 2018, 07:05:34 AM
Very nice looking train set John  :beers:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 04, 2018, 08:58:50 AM
Thank you very much, Keith.  I had a wonderful time running trains last evening.  Everything was tickety-boo.  The 'dead frog' Setrack points, which appear to have something of a mixed reputation, caused no problems whatsoever.  The running on the 3/16 cork was smooth and quiet.

Time, now, to press on with the scenery and accessories...

Thanks again and all best wishes.


John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 04, 2018, 11:37:54 AM
It's coming along very well, John. An ideal layout for sitting and watching the many coloured trains go by whilst enjoying a cool glass of white wine or a refreshing beer! 8-)
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 04, 2018, 07:53:14 PM
It's coming along very well, John. An ideal layout for sitting and watching the many coloured trains go by whilst enjoying a cool glass of white wine or a refreshing beer! 8-)


Thank you, Chris.

Many coloured trains are a big part of the fun for me.  And few are better-coloured than those of the Somerset & Dorset Joint Railway...
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-040818193824.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67832)
[S&D 4-4-0 No. 40 passes the site of Poppingham castle with a through passenger working.]

Poppingham castle dates back to the 12th century, but was built on the site of an earlier fortification.  It was bashed up by the New Model Army in the 17th century.  Lord Poppingham owned the ruins by the 19th century and forced the railway company to leave it standing.  But here we are in the 1930s and it's not even been built yet!  Time, clearly, is elastic!  Lord Poppingham charges only 6d to get in to see the castle (3d for children OAPs and free for wounded ex-servicemen).  If I were you, I'd wait a couple of weeks before parting with your tanner!

Thanks again and toodle-pip.

John

PS Semi-flat Prosecco this evening.  Left over from MRS TW's friends being round here at TW Towers last evening.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 06, 2018, 07:49:03 PM
Bohemian Rhapsody (or: A Little Box from Prague...)

Hello Chums

Ö arrived at Train Waiting Towers today.  It was from our very good friend Chris (IP) and contained a splendid BR Ferry Wagon (Peco), but improved with Chris' signature 'silver' buffers.  I associate these wagons with the Southern Region of British Railways.  This gave the Locomotive Department a bit of a headache as we are mostly pre-1939 here.  Poppy reminded me of the treasure trove in the corner - the 'job lot' that I acquired.  By the way, the 'Peak' has gone to a very good home and I'll list another diesel for sale soon.  I had a rummage and found the very thing to pull this wonderful wagon - a BR 'Five' 4-6-0.
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-060818192942.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67873)
[Up, up and away in a beautiful balloon; our fearless photographer captures BR 'Standard' 5MT 4-6-0 No. 73082 Camelot passing Poppingham Castle.  The first wagon in the train is the Ferry Wagon mentioned ante.]

Thank you very much, Chris.

Notes:
At present, Poppingham Castle is a Midland Railway paperweight to hold things down until the glue dries!

Camelot: is that a clue?  We know that Poppingham Castle is earlier than the present 12th Century structure...

73082 is a super locomotive.  Smooth and quiet.  Maybe another 'keeper' from the job lot.  My late father-in-law fired these engines and preferred them to a 'Hiker' (ex-LMS Class 5 4-6-0 ['Black Five']).  It's very nice that in 1:148 scale they are still good engines.

Many thanks for looking and best wishes.

Toodle-oo!

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 06, 2018, 09:45:31 PM
Very good to see the wagon has safely arrived. I, carefully, rubbed the silver paint off the centre of the buffers on some Peco "Tube" wagons which looked very realistic.

I also have 73082 "Camelot" but it's away having its number transfers repaired on one cab side after having the tender crests changed from BR Early to BR Late and metal nameplates added. It is indeed a lovely model and I recommend you keep yours. No. 73082 brings special trains from the SR beyond the Southwestern Division into North Cornwall, the land of King Arthur, of course.

As I have the same three Peco wagons, when "Camelot" returns I can photograph them with it, too.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 08, 2018, 01:51:57 PM
A Different Angle

Hello Chums,

One of the joys of a small transportable layout is that it can be easily moved to make particular parts of it nice 'n' handy to play with.  I am making a mess at Castle Hill, so here is Poppingham quarter-turned.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-080818133548.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67908)

Castle Hill is the disaster area at left foreground, Poppingham station is the plain double track on the left (we are looking in the Up direction as kindly suggested by @Newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) (thanks again, Mick) and the visible storage yards are on the right.

It is a fact universally acknowledged that I am completely hopeless at scenic modelling.  But I endeavour to persevere...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/67/6222-080818134358.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=67909)

This is Castle Hill showing (from left) the cork core with a little bit of filling, the white card formers and the paper mache for the hard shell.  I hope it all turns out semi-respectable in the end, but I have my doubts at present!

Many thanks for looking and all best wishes.

Pip-pip!

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 08, 2018, 06:00:39 PM
Iím sure that the scenic work will look just fine in the end John.
What will you cover the area with before adding the scatter or static grass ?
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 08, 2018, 06:55:29 PM
Iím sure that the scenic work will look just fine in the end John.
What will you cover the area with before adding the scatter or static grass ?

Thank you very much, Martin.  Your confidence will give me confidence, if you see what I mean.

I have thought about this.  I have even gone as far as look at websites for people whose hobby is making things from paper mache.  There appears to be a consensus that, once it is properly dry, domestic emulsion paint is best to seal it.  After that acrylic paint for the actual decoration.

Bearing that in mind, once I have added more torn-up* little bits of The Daily Telegraph (I'm working my way through the sports section which I rarely read!), I'll give it a couple of coats of emulsion and then some green acrylic paint.  That way, any scatter or other scenic material that falls off will, hopefully, not be too obvious.  I've never used static grass but I fancy giving it a try.  Probably sparingly in 'N' gauge.

But you are the scenic expert!  Does this sound sensible?  If not, I'd be very grateful for any guidance you might care to offer.

* I once saw 'The Birthday Party'.  I regret that I failed to catch the drift.  I wondered what on earth that bloke was doing tearing up sheets of newspaper.  Now I get it: Harold Pinter was building a layout and wanted lots of pre-torn newspaper, so he wrote it in the stage direction.  Clever; very clever!

Many thanks and all best wishes.

John


Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 08, 2018, 07:54:05 PM
 :hellosign:.  :greatpicturessign:. Thanks for the updates John (& Poppy), all taking shape very nicely   :thumbsup:
  regards Derek
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on August 08, 2018, 09:21:52 PM
I use paper mache too but I use it to cover polystyrene that has been roughly carved to shape. If it sags no problem, a bit more topography. 50/50 PVA and water to stick it, usually 3 layers of paper but it depends on what I'm doing. When it's dry I cover it with a layer of filler because I prefer to use water colours as they blend better as  the filler  is slightly porous. At the beginning it all looks awful but improves as the shape emerges and is painted then covered with scatter. If you don't like it rip it out and start again. My favorite part of modeling.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 09, 2018, 08:49:19 AM
My landscape construction is similar except I use sandless tile grout instead of plaster.

As well as shaped pieces of polystyrene, I also used cut and shaped pieces of balsa wood and glued (with white glue) together pieces of polystyrene that are used for packing. This allows the easy construction of light but strong, flowing landscape features. These packing pieces are also ideal for filling in the straight sides of the pieces of polystyrene. The packing pieces are free, a big advantage, of course. Over the dried tile grout, I use household acrylic paint: brown or green which seals everything nicely reading for applying the dilute white glue for scatter. I don't use paper mache.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: dannyboy on August 09, 2018, 12:02:25 PM
I also use the polystyrene packing material, roughly cut to the shape I require, stuck down with PVA glue if I will not need to move the piece later. I cover this with plaster bandage - a bit messy but very therapeutic! I find though that no matter how much smoothing I do, I can still see the woven bits of plaster bandage in places. If this is too obvious, I then use a polyfilla type mix just to fill in the weave of the bandage if necessary. It all then gets covered in acrylic paint before finishing with scatter or whatever. I find creating scenery fun - if you make a mistake, nobody else knows and it is easy to cover up!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 09, 2018, 03:45:29 PM
I generally use polystyrene packing material too.
Roughly cut to shape.
I then spread cheap tile grout over and shape as best I can. A lovely messy job.
Depending on the type of ground cover I then paint it all with acryllic either brown or green or grey etc.
Finally I add scatter and if necessary finish with static grass adding bushes, trees, walls or fences to finish it all off.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 10, 2018, 08:41:54 PM
Realistically Unrealistic?

Hello Chums

Very many thanks for all the helpful ideas about constructing scenery.  These are much appreciated.  I have spent a fair amount of time on 'Tea Cosy Tunnel'.  I had in mind the Tri-ang and Hornby Dublo tunnels as the inspiration for what I hoped to achieve.  Here it is, well on the way to being finished:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-100818202141.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68033)

What do you think?  Does this capture the essence of these toys of long ago, or is it simply a catastrophic effort to make model railway tunnel?  Incidentally, there will be a wing wall on the right-hand side but attached to the backboard.  The tunnel is quickly detachable for track cleaning.  Accurate placing is essential.  Due to the curvature of the line there is 1/16" clearance at the tunnel mouths.

Moving to the other end of the layout, here is a picture of Castle Hill and the shallow cutting in which the railway runs from the road bridge to Poppingham Station.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-100818202856.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68034)

I am finding that it is difficult to achieve what I am trying to do.  Making something that is readily recognisable as a 'scenic train set', inspired by the trade offerings of the 'thirties and 'fifties, rather than simply a jolly poor effort at a model railway isn't easy.

Thank you very much for looking.

With best wishes.

Cheerio!

John

Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on August 10, 2018, 08:54:47 PM
I think the tea cosy tunnel is great. Presumably the holes are for the handle and spout? :D
As is demonstrated often on the forum, we all have different ideas and capabilities and directions we follow. Do not denigrate yourself, do what you do to the best of your ability, if you don't like it, start again. Your mistakes are your learning curve. Most importantly enjoy it. It's a hobby with many facets and what would you do with all the wine you wouldn't drink if you didn't have this hobby? :beers:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 10, 2018, 09:05:40 PM
I like the tunnel.
Do I remember correctly, 55 years ago, was my tea cosy tunnel finished with a sort of dirty green grit scattered somewhat sparsely over the top?
If so, and I may well be wrong, you could achieve that with a bit of gritty scatter material.

And Brian, are you suggesting that if we didnít follow this hobby we wouldnít drink? :D
If so....Iím glad I do follow the hobby, I think  :beers:  actually itís a glass of rather nice Singleton 15 year old malt.
Iíll stop rambling now.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: dannyboy on August 10, 2018, 09:07:00 PM
I think Mito has got an excellent way of putting things when it comes to this 'hobby' of ours. I can't tell you how much I have learnt by making mistakes, (as he says, "if you don't like it, start again"), plus, of course, being a member of this forum helps! And remember - it's your layout/train set!  Enjoy the wine. :beers:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on August 10, 2018, 09:37:38 PM
And Brian, are you suggesting that if we didnít follow this hobby we wouldnít drink? :D

Good heavens no! It's more how would you"use" the wine. I tried some rough cider this evening. I think I need a skin transplant on my tongue and throat!  :pint:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on August 10, 2018, 09:41:14 PM
I think your 'tea cosy' tunnel is better than the original but am not sure that's what you want to hear :uneasy:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 11, 2018, 07:30:07 AM
The tunnel is definitely more train set than model railway. Would some very plastic trees 🌲 enhance it?  :hmmm:

Didnít realise it was mandatory, pass me another glass of Rioja please.  :beers:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 11, 2018, 07:47:33 AM
There is an excellent set of pictures of a Hornby double-track tunnel from the early 1960s, here:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-Dublo-5092-Double-track-Tunnel-plastic-good-complete-c1961-/173407623162 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-Dublo-5092-Double-track-Tunnel-plastic-good-complete-c1961-/173407623162)
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 11, 2018, 04:31:40 PM
I think the hill and the castle should have something of the 'toy-like' appearance of the Hornby tunnel, to be keeping with your concept, John.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 11, 2018, 04:35:44 PM
Thank you very much, chaps, for all your kind comments and observations.

There is an excellent set of pictures of a Hornby double-track tunnel from the early 1960s, here:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-Dublo-5092-Double-track-Tunnel-plastic-good-complete-c1961-/173407623162 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-Dublo-5092-Double-track-Tunnel-plastic-good-complete-c1961-/173407623162)

Thank you, Chris, this is pretty much what I had in mind.  It has a definite charm and is a reminder of simpler times.

The tunnel is definitely more train set than model railway. Would some very plastic trees 🌲 enhance it?  :hmmm:

Many thanks, Keith; that's exactly what I want to hear!  Yes, I think some trees and bushes are called for.  Maybe not plastic.  Perhaps some of the K&M range from Peco.

I like the tunnel.
Do I remember correctly, 55 years ago, was my tea cosy tunnel finished with a sort of dirty green grit scattered somewhat sparsely over the top?
If so, and I may well be wrong, you could achieve that with a bit of gritty scatter material.

Thank you, Martin.  I never had a tunnel all these years ago (I've got one now, though!), but I think that scatter material is essential.

I think your 'tea cosy' tunnel is better than the original but am not sure that's what you want to hear :uneasy:

Thank you very much, Mick.  That observation, taken in the context of the other comments, is exactly what I want to hear.  I'm attempting to make a model of a very good train set - the kind of thing that would have captivated and inspired me when I was 10.  Effectively, a train set that is coming close to a model railway*.  Therefore, a tunnel that is a bit better than the originals is great, providing it is still recognisable as a 'tea cosy'.

*By contrast, what I am trying particularly hard to avoid is an effort at a model railway that is so poorly executed that it looks like a fairly duff train set.  I expect that we have all seen these at exhibitions.

I really am ever so grateful for all these kind comments.

With best wishes.

John







Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 11, 2018, 04:42:02 PM
I think the hill and the castle should have something of the 'toy-like' appearance of the Hornby tunnel, to be keeping with your concept, John.


Thank you, Chris.  My thoughts exactly.  And I have being doing a little bit of work today...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-110818163655.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68058)
['2P' 4-4-0 No. 443, inexplicably in crimson lake, passes Poppingham Castle with a Down through train.]

Much, much, more to do, of course.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 13, 2018, 09:11:59 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks for your latest updates John (&Poppy), the tunnel looks spot on on your railway & yes my best mate is Jack  :beers:  ;) ;
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 13, 2018, 09:24:08 PM
Just One More

I know; I know.  The 'Table-Top Railway (Mk IV)', which Poppy decided to call Poppingham was meant to be an exercise in restraint.  A sort of minimalist train set.

I have mentioned before that I tend to like visible storage yards and Poppingham has a pair of two-track yards at the opposite side to the passenger station.  At present, these are called Up and Down sidings but I'm thinking of more interesting names.  At least this was the case until today.  The Down sidings now have a third track, built using spare material.  I don't yet know if this is an operational boon (another train) or an affront to the minimalist symmetry of the previous arrangement.  Here it is, from above:-
   
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-130818210516.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68098)

The short siding is fine for a single coach train (GWR Railcar?) or an 0-6-0 with three wagons and a long-wheelbase four-wheeled brake van.  The middle siding has lost capacity for one wagon and is now 'four and a brake van'.  It still just copes with a 4-4-0 and a pair of carriages, providing these are shorter carriages.  The straight siding takes a 4-6-0 and two longer carriages, such as the Bulleid ones, or an 0-6-0 with 'five and a brake van'.  An 0-8-0 fits in providing its train has a short-wheelbase brake van.

I'll play with this arrangement for a day or two and then decide whether the advantages of another train outweigh the disadvantages.

Many thanks for looking and all good wishes.

Toodle-pip!

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 13, 2018, 09:52:01 PM
I think the hill and the castle should have something of the 'toy-like' appearance of the Hornby tunnel, to be keeping with your concept, John.


Thank you, Chris.  My thoughts exactly.  And I have being doing a little bit of work today...

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-110818163655.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68058[/url])
['2P' 4-4-0 No. 443, inexplicably in crimson lake, passes Poppingham Castle with a Down through train.]

Much, much, more to do, of course.

Best wishes.

John


Looks very good, John.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 18, 2018, 09:15:48 AM
D6577

Hello Chums

As discussed earlier in Brian's @Mito (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3659) excellent thread 'Off on a Journey - the Departure' the Graham Farish BRCW 'Type 3' Bo-Bo is a good locomotive.  It certainly gets around: Cornwall to Somerset to wherever the Table-Top Railway (Mark III) is set today.

And it's not really a happy story in (presumably) the late 'sixties.  Exactly when I first became interested in railways and model railways.  Steam has gone (and is banned, apart from 4472).  The Down line is dead and the Up line is dying.  The former secondary main line is now reduced to single line working (the trusty 'Model D' having been re-allocated to MK IV, Poppingham, leaving the 'Combi' for Mk III!) and freight only.  A scene of decay and is there worse to come?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-180818091711.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68259)

Maybe, just maybe, stirrings for a better future can be seen in the closed goods yard where some hardy preservationists are working, in the open, on an 'A2', '14XX' and 'Princess Coronation'.  They also have a collection of guards vans where they go to drink tea when it rains.  The preservationists had hoped to take over the station buildings as a base, but BR demolished them together with the Down platform.

I'm sorry to inflict all this gloom on you, chums, but it was the only way that I could photograph the 'Type 3' in action, as diesel traction is banned from Poppingham due to the present weather conditions.

Thank you for looking.

With best wishes.

Pip-pip!

John




Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 18, 2018, 11:53:36 AM
Thank you for this, John. I had not realised that you also had a model of BR SR BRC&W Co, Type 3 D6577, (later Class 33). So, D6577 will be venturing forth not only from Cornwall to Somerset but also further afield, Dorset, Devon?

That is a fine collection of brake vans, models of which I have a great liking for.

Don't you mean that steam traction is banned from Poppingham due to the present weather conditions? Or am I missing something? In any case, I hope that you will be keeping D6577. 8-)

I wish the preservations well and hope that they are able to buy a goods shed in which to work under cover, in future. 8-)
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 18, 2018, 07:53:46 PM

Don't you mean that steam traction is banned from Poppingham due to the present weather conditions? Or am I missing something?


Many thanks, Chris. 

The only thing you might be missing is my silliness!

I have decided to turn the tables on diesels by banning them and blaming the weather!

At present we are steam only.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-180818194545.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68263)
[Union Pacific 'Consolidation' No. 723 has the highball and heads a short freight past the yards near Poppingham railroad depot.]

The 'seven twenty-three' is by Bachmann and runs as sweet as you like.  It towers over the British engines although it is to 1:160 scale.

I expect that the 'diesel ban' will be broken by a GWR railcar; my excuse is that if it is GWR it's all right.


Best wishes.

John

 
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on August 18, 2018, 08:59:22 PM
Not silly at all. I like what I like, Rule 1 in its purest form! A class 37 is on the wish list if a green one ever appears at a price I can afford. I have a new Dapol Manor but suffering from shakeitis it scares the life out of me to handle it.  All my other steam locos are old, strong and sturdy. A bit like me I suppose, well at least the first adjective. :worried:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 19, 2018, 12:13:25 PM
I like your idea of a diesel ban.
However, I have a fair few so who am I to speak.
I love the Class 33s , they are , to my eyes, rugged and properly diesel shaped workhorses.
I have a heavily weathered example.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 19, 2018, 03:19:48 PM
Out of the Gloom

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-190818145952.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68281)
['4F' 0-6-0 No. 3851 emerges from 'Tea Cosy Tunnel' (officially, Poppingham Tunnel) with an Up freight train.]

After yesterday's surprise visit by a Union Pacific 2-8-0, we are back to something resembling normality.  The diesel ban is still in place - please blame the weather!  The locomotive is by Graham Farish and is very nice.  It runs well, too.  I spent a while today putting black stuff inside the tunnel to give the appearance of darkness.  Here's what it looks like before messing about with the photograph:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-190818145523.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68280)


I like your idea of a diesel ban.
However, I have a fair few so who am I to speak.
I love the Class 33s , they are , to my eyes, rugged and properly diesel shaped workhorses.
I have a heavily weathered example.


Many thanks, Martin.  I understand that the BRCW 'Type 3' was a very successful design.  The 'Type 2' variety we had in Scotland were good, but would have benefitted from more power.  But they needed steam heat equipment which took up the space!   The front window arrangement on the Southern engines certainly was neater.

Although not a reliable witness with regard to diesels, I think I prefer ones with 'noses'.

Certainly, these looked better, to my eyes, when they had to endure blue with full yellow ends!


Thank you for looking.

Toodle-oo.

John

Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 19, 2018, 05:07:38 PM
Not silly at all. I like what I like, Rule 1 in its purest form! A class 37 is on the wish list if a green one ever appears at a price I can afford. I have a new Dapol Manor but suffering from shakeitis it scares the life out of me to handle it.  All my other steam locos are old, strong and sturdy. A bit like me I suppose, well at least the first adjective. :worried:


Thank you very much for this, Brian.

Is this the sort of thing you have in mind?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-190818165528.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68282)
[English Electric 'Type 3' Co-Co No. D6826 has suffered a traction motor failure and has been shunted into the old goods yard, now used by preservationists to work on part of their collection of steam locomotives.  The preservationists feel sorry for Mr Stephenson, the local locomotive foreman who is expected to keep these new-fangled machines operational.  Still, he retires in a year or two (if the line closes - it is rumoured Mrs Castle has it on her list - he might get made redundant) and intends to spend his retirement helping to get these magnificent machines back into steam.  He made sure that a lot of useful components were 'rescued' from the stores when the steam shed closed and these have been deposited in safe places hereabouts.  Meanwhile his daughter has driven him out in her motor car to inspect the casualty.]

With all good wishes.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 19, 2018, 05:52:25 PM
I also have Graham Farish N 371-453 Class 37/0 D6826 in BR Green with Centre Head Code Boxes but it is away awaiting renumbering to D6885 (86A) after DCC fitting by Wickness. (It will work Summer Saturday passenger specials from Cardiff c. 1965.) I remember being invited to cab just such a loco. in this very attractive livery stabled in the bay platform at Hereford station when I was there trainspotting many decades ago! I also hope that you'll keep your D6826 but, if not, as it is quite rare, I'm sure you'll find plenty of interest, John, from Brian (and others).
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on August 19, 2018, 09:01:52 PM
Not silly at all. I like what I like, Rule 1 in its purest form! A class 37 is on the wish list if a green one ever appears at a price I can afford. I have a new Dapol Manor but suffering from shakeitis it scares the life out of me to handle it.  All my other steam locos are old, strong and sturdy. A bit like me I suppose, well at least the first adjective. :worried:


Thank you very much for this, Brian.

Is this the sort of thing you have in mind?

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-190818165528.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68282[/url])
[English Electric 'Type 3' Co-Co No. D6826 has suffered a traction motor failure and has been shunted into the old goods yard, now used by preservationists to work on part of their collection of steam locomotives.  The preservationists feel sorry for Mr Stephenson, the local locomotive foreman who is expected to keep these new-fangled machines operational.  Still, he retires in a year or two (if the line closes - it is rumoured Mrs Castle has it on her list - he might get made redundant) and intends to spend his retirement helping to get these magnificent machines back into steam.  He made sure that a lot of useful components were 'rescued' from the stores when the steam shed closed and these have been deposited in safe places hereabouts.  Meanwhile his daughter has driven him out in her motor car to inspect the casualty.]

With all good wishes.

John


Lust, lust! Please refrain from posting photos like this. :D
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 20, 2018, 09:25:59 AM

Lust, lust! Please refrain from posting photos like this. :D


I'm sorry, Brian.

I get your point, though.  A failed diesel on a railway that is on its last legs around late 1968/1969 isn't exactly much fun.  Not a good time...


How about this as a tonic; thirty-something years before on a different railway?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-200818091818.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68298)
The enchanting Enchantress, an ex-LNWR 'Prince of Wales' 4-6-0, No. 5604, slows for the stop at Poppingham station with an Up through train.  Passengers sitting on the up side of the train are anticipating a nice view of Poppingham Castle in a few seconds.]

With all good wishes.

John

PS  :pmsign:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 20, 2018, 10:14:50 AM
Iím just enchanted by the enchanting Enchantress.
A fine looking machine if ever there was one.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 20, 2018, 07:43:15 PM
The Hard-Working Railway

Hello Chums

Not the shining Enchantress this time.  I am conscious that you have not yet seen anything move on Poppingham.  Perhaps all my rambling about the Peco 'Setrack' and my above-board wiring amounts to no movement.  A train set is not up to much if the trains don't run...

I drove down to the sidings today (that's my motor car parked beside the signal box) and managed to film a couple of trains passing.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7jriblwwr5bg62h/Poppingham%20Film%201.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/7jriblwwr5bg62h/Poppingham%20Film%201.MOV?dl=0)

Please note that there is a 'Setrack' dead frog point off-scene to the left on the Up line, that's the one with the little goods train.  As you can hopefully see, the 'J27' 0-6-0 No. 1229 did not get all discombobulated at the dead frog.

The passenger train on the Down line is headed by a 'Super Claud' No. 8828 which is a lovely locomotive and a super runner.

Many thanks for looking and all best wishes.

Tickety-tonk.

John

Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 20, 2018, 09:21:57 PM
Thatís some train John -49 wagons if I counted correctly and all handled beautifully by the locomotive.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: belstone on August 20, 2018, 10:33:45 PM
Splendid goods train, with every single wagon deployed and the loco just about keeping its own brake van in sight.  We've all done that. (I have anyway).

Richard
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on August 20, 2018, 10:56:50 PM
Great video. Another couple of wagons would have made it a real tail chaser. :)
That was one gorgeous crimson loco. Is it a UM variety?
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 21, 2018, 09:32:43 AM
A very impressive performance. Having, in the distant past, had a 'roundy-roundy', I do understand the appeal of running such trains and watching them go by.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 21, 2018, 06:56:46 PM
I think this the look for your scenery you should be aiming for! 8-) They are Busch HO/00 scenic pieces. (Without the snow, though.)

(http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t449/chrisinprague/RLY%20-%20MODEL%20-%20BUSCH%208020%20N%204%20ASSORTED%20HILLS%20%20ROCKS%20%20LANDFORMS%20MODEL%20RAILWAY%20SCENERY%20OO_zpss7uccdkp.jpg) (http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/chrisinprague/media/RLY%20-%20MODEL%20-%20BUSCH%208020%20N%204%20ASSORTED%20HILLS%20%20ROCKS%20%20LANDFORMS%20MODEL%20RAILWAY%20SCENERY%20OO_zpss7uccdkp.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 21, 2018, 07:33:19 PM
Thank you very much, chums, for these lovely and very kind comments, a couple of which require a reply:

Thatís some train John -49 wagons if I counted correctly and all handled beautifully by the locomotive.

Yes, thank you, Martin, 48 plus van.  Entire train by Peco apart from the van behind the locomotive, which is Graham Farish.  It was a test of my track laying.  The Peco 'Elsie' couplings are, in my experience, no respectors of uneven track (a bad 'top' in PW terminology).  I'm glad to report that the train remained coupled.  I tend to stick a bit of weight in the guard's vans which helps to keep the couplings tight.

The 'J27' had been running badly and had been on shed.  Mr Stephenson, the chargehand fitter (we recently met him over 35 years later seething about diesels!), is a good locomotive man and 1229 is now running fine, as you kindly remarked.

Great video. Another couple of wagons would have made it a real tail chaser. :)
That was one gorgeous crimson loco. Is it a UM variety?

Many thanks, Brian.

Yes Enchantress is a Union Mills locomotive.  As it is bad form to have favourites, she is simply the 'Pride of the Line'.  There is something about a big crimson lake engine...  She runs well, too, as one would expect from Union Mills.


Thanks again, chums.


John



Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 22, 2018, 09:33:36 AM
"Howay, Bonny Lad!"

Said Mr Stephenson.  "It's reet champion tae see ye, lad, an even better, that failed 'Type 3' is gannin awa', the morra.  Tae Somerset ah think."  I had been treating Miss Stephenson to a Babycham in the Virley Arms last evening, when Mr S arrived for a swift 'alf.  Of course, I attended to the refreshments and Mr S joined us at our table in the window, where he advised me of developments with the recalcitrant English Electric and invited me to observe and photograph the recovery operation.  We then went on to chat about the likely fate of the local railway.  Mr S had reluctantly agreed that many branch lines were hopelessly uneconomic and had to go.  He had also been very happy with Mr Wilson's 1964 election pledge not to close any more railways.  Then Mrs Castle came along and main lines were closed as well.  He had hoped that Mr Marsh might call a halt to closures; after all his father had been a GWR man at Swindon.  But the 'Waverley Route' had closed at the start of the year.  Mr S felt that there would be others and that 'our' line did not have long to go...


Earlier today I went down to the sad remains of our former station to photograph Brush 'Type 4' No. D1505 arriving and coupling on to the failed D6826.  D1505 was in deplorable external condition.  Clearly in not-too-good internal condition either as, when it took power to leave the siding... it failed as well.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-220818092420.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68359)


Mr Stephenson just stood there, quietly, shaking his head in belief.  A quick inspection revealed that the Brush was a complete failure and another locomotive would be required.  And, as the 'Type 4' was beyond the trap point protecting the main line, the main line was closed until further notice.  "Serves them blooming right for singling it," muttered Mr Stephenson.

Sad days...

Many thanks for looking and cheerie-bye.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 22, 2018, 04:06:49 PM
Recovered at last... or the Train of Shame

I took Mr Stephenson to the Virley Arms for lunch and lots of tea.  Such was his disgust at the present state of affairs that we hardly talked about the railway.  Mostly, we talked about his garden and his dog; he is devoted to both.  After a couple of hours we heard a diesel horn in the distance and we walked back down to the waste land that recently had been our local station.  We arrived just in time to see a filthy blue 'Type 2' arriving from the south.  The diesel stopped by the signalbox and the driver consulted the signalman.  He then climbed down from his cab and we were both delighted to see it was Neville Hill, one of the senior drivers hereabouts and a very good friend of Mr Stephenson.  After they had a quick chat, Mr Hill came over and passed the time of day with me.  I have known him since I was in short trousers and have been his guest on the footplate of his locomotive on many occasions.

It did not take these two vastly experienced railwaymen long to get coupled on, the brake test done and ready for departure.  The signalman gave them a green flag. Mr Hill sounded the horn and gave me a cheery wave.  As the train left the siding, Mr Stephenson leant out of the cab door and shouted across to me, "Thank you for dinner, Bonny Lad.  Come tae us for tea on Sunday."

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-220818155514.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68362)
[A shouted invitation from the cab of D7667.]


Many thanks for looking at this nonsense!

I think we will let our narrator enjoy Miss Stephenson's company for tea on Sunday.  We will rejoin Mr Stephenson and Mr Hill (much happier in their work!) about 35 years earlier, in our narrator's father's time.

With best wishes.


John



Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on August 22, 2018, 05:08:33 PM
It's a pity the AA couldn't get the loco going! :confused2:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 22, 2018, 06:57:52 PM
It's a pity the AA couldn't get the loco going! :confused2:
Perhaps all it needed was a gentle shove.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 22, 2018, 08:12:24 PM
The English Electric Type 3s were very reliable, certainly, the later ones, delivered to the WR in South Wales, like the one depicted, here. The Brush Type 4s did suffer from various problems in their early years; chiefly, I believe with the Sulzer engines. The early BR Blue livery BR Type 2 looks very good.

I think the Brush Type 4 and, maybe, the BR Type 2 are early Graham Farish (Poole) built?

I'm glad that the EE Type 3 is going to a new home. It will be well at home on trains of Somerset coal. 8-)

Great photos. and a nice story.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 22, 2018, 09:22:42 PM
Thank you, Chris.

The 'Type 4' and 'Type 2' are both Graham Farish but Chinese, rather than Poole.  The 'Type 4' and 'Type 3' both failed soon after purchase but I was too busy at business and rebuilding a house to do anything about it (idiot!).  I just allowed myself to move away from British 'N' gauge.  I'm glad I'm back - I think.

The 'Type 2' has always run well.  It's blue though, but this livery appears to me to be more attractive the smaller the model is.  I have a strange attachment to this locomotive.

Of my recent non-Union Mills purchases, three out of four diesels have had to be returned and one out of one steam.  But the replacements seem fine - maybe I was unlucky.  The assorted stuff in the second-hand job lot that I obtained tends to run well.  The latest 'motor-in-the-locomotive' Graham Farish engines appear to be particularly good.


I think this the look for your scenery you should be aiming for! 8-) They are Busch HO/00 scenic pieces. (Without the snow, though.)

([url]http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t449/chrisinprague/RLY%20-%20MODEL%20-%20BUSCH%208020%20N%204%20ASSORTED%20HILLS%20%20ROCKS%20%20LANDFORMS%20MODEL%20RAILWAY%20SCENERY%20OO_zpss7uccdkp.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://s1060.photobucket.com/user/chrisinprague/media/RLY%20-%20MODEL%20-%20BUSCH%208020%20N%204%20ASSORTED%20HILLS%20%20ROCKS%20%20LANDFORMS%20MODEL%20RAILWAY%20SCENERY%20OO_zpss7uccdkp.jpg.html[/url])


Perfick!  Thank you, Chris.  Exactly my kind of thing.  I'm going to check if they do them in 'N'!

Best wishes.

John

Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on August 22, 2018, 09:27:06 PM
There's a Lima N tunnel on ebay. Only single track though

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lima-N-Gauge-Ready-Made-Plastic-Single-Track-Tunnel-No-705-old-shop-stock/263893765602?hash=item3d714b4de2:g:WNUAAOSwoPpaYQiV (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lima-N-Gauge-Ready-Made-Plastic-Single-Track-Tunnel-No-705-old-shop-stock/263893765602?hash=item3d714b4de2:g:WNUAAOSwoPpaYQiV)
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 23, 2018, 07:51:15 PM
A New Angle for Poppingham

Hello Chums

The more I play around with this 'Table-Top Railway' concept, the more I think it suits my present approach to model railways.  It was time, today, to think about platforms for Poppingham.  The views you have seen up to now have been with the sidings to the front.  With a layout so small (48" x 30"), it is the work of a moment to birl the whole thing round:-

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-230818193310.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68421)

So very easy!  I could not have done that with most of my previous efforts (unless I had borrowed a crane).

Poppingham Castle is now to the right foreground and a more competent photographer would have managed to include it in the picture.  Trains, assorted, can be seen in the sidings at the back and the 'Bridge to Nowhere' is glaringly obvious.  You will, hopefully, see some platform progress for the station.  Much more to do.

Of course, it is a tad disorientating seeing everything the wrong way round, so I'll need to play trains for simply ages until I find my bearings.  The Southern Railway has very kindly worked a 'beer train' in my direction so that I do not dehydrate during the lengthy running session.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-230818194621.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68422)

Thank you for looking.

With best wishes.

Toodle-pip.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on August 23, 2018, 08:26:16 PM
I'm sure a couple or so beers  will help re-orientate you :beers: You have a good selection to choose from.
It's a good idea to look at things from another perspective especially at a rather nice layout like yours.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 24, 2018, 07:23:48 AM
Hi John, yes it is very discombobulating when you flip a layout. A few beers and plenty of train running eventually solves the disorientation. It does make access so much easier though. :beers:

 Sonmel is a bit harder to flip at 72Ē by 30Ē, especially as I keep adding weight to it.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 24, 2018, 07:36:12 PM
Hi John, yes it is very discombobulating when you flip a layout. A few beers and plenty of train running eventually solves the disorientation. It does make access so much easier though. :beers:

 Sonmel is a bit harder to flip at 72Ē by 30Ē, especially as I keep adding weight to it.


Many thanks, Keith.

And thank you for all your splendid posts about Sonmel, which is an absolutely fascinating layout.

I have been taking advantage of the improved access to the station side today to indulge in some more work on the platforms.  I have had another shot at the Metcalfe platform surface, this time not using the stick-on cover for the joins.  The short platforms on Poppingham (three carriages maximum) mean that I am only using two sheets and, therefore, one join. I ran into difficulties with the longer platforms on the Table-Top Railway (Mk III).  'Just the one' join appears easy-ish to make without the stick-on covers.  The covers are meant to hide the join but, I thought, drew attention to it, as they are a slightly different colour.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-240818193452.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68433)

The Up platform is looking rather shoddy at present.  Hopefully, it will be tickety-boo when surfaced tomorrow.

The Down platform won't look this wide when the layout is finished (will it ever be?).  The idea is that the platform surface level will extend below the station building and out to the roadway.  Therefore, easier, I think, to make the platform nice and wide at this stage.  I'm hopeless at this scenic stuff... but having fun.

The platform edge clearances ought to be fine and I'll arrange for our good friend Driver Geoff Duke to run through both platforms tomorrow with his 'Dukedog' No. 3204.  The whirling outside cranks will soon confirm if my clearance calculations are correct.

Thanks again and all best wishes.

John




Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on August 24, 2018, 07:42:47 PM
I'll arrange for our good friend Driver Geoff Duke to run through both platforms tomorrow with his 'Dukedog' No. 3204.
I thought he might be on a Norton Featherbed.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 24, 2018, 08:57:13 PM
Thatís a very interesting design of water tower, bit too architectural for the train set?  :hmmm:

Iím interested in your platform work, Iíve yet to tackle that.  :beers:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on August 24, 2018, 09:25:20 PM
I'm glad to see you're orientating yourself though shouldn't the water tower be slightly closer to the track?
Nice looking platforms. I go for solid construction. I could never cut the individual supports accurately enough.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 25, 2018, 07:23:54 PM
Nice looking platforms. I go for solid construction. I could never cut the individual supports accurately enough.


Thank you, Brian.  The Down platform is solid.  Typical of me to use a different system for each platform!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-250818191629.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68446)

Iím interested in your platform work, Iíve yet to tackle that.  :beers:


Many thanks, Keith.  I am learning about this.  A combination of a Metcalfe platform kit and 3/8" balsa (either square section or 'plank', to taste) appears to work well.  Here are the finished platforms:-

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-250818192504.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68451)

With best wishes,

John





Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on August 25, 2018, 09:09:27 PM
Excellent  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 25, 2018, 09:26:25 PM
I used balsa wood for my platforms, too. It has many advantages.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 25, 2018, 09:45:16 PM
 :hellosign: Many thanks for the updates John, watching with interest, them there platforms looking good, nice work  :thumbsup:
     regards Derek.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 26, 2018, 02:11:30 PM
Progress at Poppingham

Hello Chums

I wondered if a photograph from a hot air balloon would be helpful to see the present state of affairs at Poppingham.  Here it is:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-260818135338.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68462)
Passenger station at the front with a LNER train in the Down platform.  The ground level extended back (as an experiment) from the Down platform to what is hoped to become a little town scene.  A 'Dukedog' on the Up line approaches 'Tea Cosy' tunnel.  The visible storage yards are to the rear.  The Down yard (still thinking about a better name!) has the third siding still in place.  I'm thinking about this siding - does the additional capacity outweigh the 'fussy' look?  Would it be better to exercise restraint and stick to the symmetry of two sidings on each line?

Here is a snap of the Down sidings taken as the balloon was about to land:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-260818140254.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68463)

What is now exercising my mind is the roadway from the overbridge to the town.  However I arrange matters, it will be a steep hill.

Thank you for looking.

Best wishes.

Toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: trevis on August 26, 2018, 02:37:16 PM

 I'm thinking about this siding - does the additional capacity outweigh the 'fussy' look?  Would it be better to exercise restraint and stick to the symmetry of two sidings on each line?

Hey,  for my two cents, I don't think it necessarily clogs up the layout,  but then on the other hand it looks like it only provides capacity for a couple of carriages,  so not all that practical. I'd give it a miss, but likewise if it makes you smile, leave it in.

It's looking good,
TC
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on August 26, 2018, 04:00:10 PM
If it's not going to interfere with the road, I'd leave it in. If nothing else you can leave your gorgeous locos on display. All good trainsets need a steep hill somewhere. :)
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 26, 2018, 07:02:49 PM
Hi John
I do hope that the balloonists (?) enjoyed their flight and landed safely.
Iíd leave that third  siding where it is. It appears to be the perfect location to house a railcar or autocoach.
As for the roadway. Itís a trainset so deserves a steepish hill or two.
Keep up the good work.
Martin
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 26, 2018, 07:48:27 PM
Hey,  for my two cents, I don't think it necessarily clogs up the layout,  but then on the other hand it looks like it only provides capacity for a couple of carriages,  so not all that practical. I'd give it a miss, but likewise if it makes you smile, leave it in.

It's looking good,
TC

If it's not going to interfere with the road, I'd leave it in. If nothing else you can leave your gorgeous locos on display. All good trainsets need a steep hill somewhere. :)
Hi John
I do hope that the balloonists (?) enjoyed their flight and landed safely.
Iíd leave that third  siding where it is. It appears to be the perfect location to house a railcar or autocoach.
As for the roadway. Itís a trainset so deserves a steepish hill or two.
Keep up the good work.
Martin


Thank you very much indeed, chaps.  And thank you to the Forum for providing a way to obtain expert advice.  It really is ever so helpful.  And thank you, @trevis (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6922) , the 'smile test' really sums up what this little layout is all about!

That's it, then; the third siding stays.  Time, I think, to break the diesel ban and get a GWR railcar in action.  It's a perfect Rail Motor Siding!  The points I used for it are very old and worn, but I'm in Edinburgh tomorrow for a business meeting so I'll swan off to Harburn Hobbies and buy a new set of points.


With regard to the steep hill; thank you for reminding me what side of the ill-defined train set/model railway divide I'm striving to be on.  I keep reading Mr Goodall's wonderful quote that's at the bottom of my posts but, I fear that I don't always pay attention.

How about this: https://www.metcalfemodels.com/product/pn148-n-scale-tapered-retaining-wall-in-red-brick/ (https://www.metcalfemodels.com/product/pn148-n-scale-tapered-retaining-wall-in-red-brick/)

Thanks again for all your help and for the kind comments.

Best wishes

John

PS  Martin, I hope you had a really good second day at Hayle.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on August 26, 2018, 08:34:39 PM
Not the wall, it's not steep enough and too model railwayish.
I think you are going to have to make this. A piece of heavy card with brick paper stuck on then thin horizontal strips of stone or different coloured brick paper on thin card or even paper stuck on the original brick paper finally sprayed in gloss or satin varnish. That to me is what a train set wall would look like years ago. Tin plate with a brick effect. I may be completely wrong but I'm trying to keep you in the train set mode. :D
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 27, 2018, 07:42:11 AM
Yes, good decision to keep the sidings. I agree with Mito that you will need to scratch build the road and wall to preserve the train set feel.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on August 27, 2018, 07:55:43 AM
I love the tunnel! Reminds me of a Playcraft monstrosity I had on my Triang layout. I think it cost me two bob from Woollies, who (and I could be wrong here) I think used to stock Playcraft railways during the early sixties.

I seem to recall some tunnels having little roads and houses on them! Maybe you could add some to yours!!  :thumbsup: :beers:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 27, 2018, 08:43:30 AM
I love the tunnel! Reminds me of a Playcraft monstrosity I had on my Triang layout. I think it cost me two bob from Woollies, who (and I could be wrong here) I think used to stock Playcraft railways during the early sixties.

I seem to recall some tunnels having little roads and houses on them! Maybe you could add some to yours!!  :thumbsup: :beers:

Thank you very much, George.  It is a huge compliment to be told that my painstaking work reminds you of a 'Playcraft monstrosity from the early 'sixties'.  Because that is exactly the effect that I was attempting to achieve.  I'll celebrate by misquoting Dolly Parton again: It took a heck of a lot of effort to create such a monstrosity!  A 'proper' model railway tunnel would have been easier.  It was the clearances that were really difficult - 'fag paper' clearance for a long bogie carriage.

Thanks again, George, for this marvellous compliment.


Brian and Keith - thank you.  I thought that this card kit would have had a bit of a train set look to it but maybe I'm doing Metcalfe a great disservice.  I'll have a think about scratch building something.  And, thank you Brian, that's a good point about it being shiny!


Thanks again chaps; your helpful comments and suggestions are greatly appreciated.


Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 27, 2018, 08:58:51 AM
I suggest that your roadway will need to be dark grey or even black I think.
A train set, in itís truest sense, probably needs to be viewed through the eyes of a young child who will see a roadway as a dark track winding through bright green fields - possibly painted with those colourful watercolour sets available at toyshops.
May I be so bold as to add a couple more suggestions which you may disregard or utilise as you wish.
Road vehicles - almost certainly not all to scale. I remember my layout as a 10/11 year old had vehicles of all shapes and sizes.
Trees - those heavy plastic green and brown monstrocities  set on round plastic bases the size of a three penny bit.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 27, 2018, 09:53:48 AM
I suggest that your roadway will need to be dark grey or even black I think.
A train set, in itís truest sense, probably needs to be viewed through the eyes of a young child who will see a roadway as a dark track winding through bright green fields - possibly painted with those colourful watercolour sets available at toyshops.
May I be so bold as to add a couple more suggestions which you may disregard or utilise as you wish.
Road vehicles - almost certainly not all to scale. I remember my layout as a 10/11 year old had vehicles of all shapes and sizes.
Trees - those heavy plastic green and brown monstrocities  set on round plastic bases the size of a three penny bit.

Thank you very much for this, Martin.

Yes, well-defined colours; roads too black and grass too green.

I have found a UK supplier on eBay who does exactly these kinds of trees.  The 6cm high variety ought to do nicely.  They appear to have proper brown trunks and lovely plastic bases.  They are sold for '00'!

With regard to the mixed scale vehicles, I had not thought of that, so thank you.  Certainly, John Ahern had mixed scale trains on the marvellous Madder Valley.

I have been looking at pictures on the internet of Hornby '0' gauge and 'Dublo' buildings.  I don't think that there is anything remotely like these available from the trade in 'N'.  Interesting!


Thanks again and best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 27, 2018, 08:44:14 PM
An Amazing Development!

Hello Chums

I'm not as good as I ought to be at reading manufacturers' instructions.

I popped into Harburn Hobbies today and bought a ST-6 Peco 'Setrack' left-hand turnout for the 'Rail Motor Siding' and some ST-8 buffer stops (these are the special ones designed to clip on to 'Setrack').  I then sloped off to my business meeting.  Arriving early, I amused myself by reading all the text on the Peco packaging.  I wonder if anyone else has done this!

I was greatly amused to read this (my emphasis):

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-270818202843.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68493)
For once, I am doing what the manufacturer intended.  Amazing!

By the way, I was interested to read this comment from today by our good friend Laurence @Innovationgame (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3091) , 'I must say that the idea of a table-top railway does have its appeal!'

Yes, Laurence, I agree completely.  After three unfinished large layouts in 23 years (P4/H0/N Scale [USA]), I am finding the table-top railway concept to be just the thing.  I'm now thinking of building several of the same size, using a universal support system; an idea that Iain Rice had years ago and Martin @port perran (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=230) is revisiting in a very innovative way at present.

Many thanks for looking and all best wishes.

Pip-pip.

John

Well worth giving it a try - maybe as a continuation of your branch line.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 27, 2018, 09:15:03 PM
I understand what you're aiming to achieve with your tabletop railway, John, and hope that you can achieve what you wish. It's fun seeing it develop. It's a fine venue for your trains to run. I like Martin's suggestions which remind me of my childhood Triang / Hornby / Playcraft layouts on the living room carpet with Britain's trees, farm animals, "Matchbox" cars and lorries, etc.

There is room for every type of layout. Both Windmill Hill and Tregonning show what can be achieved in a small space with an amazing degree of realism and detail. Windmill Hill is truly inspirational with scenic work that looks 'just like the real thing'. Tregonning also uses Setrack (as has Martin's other excellent layouts) and if the rails are painted dark brown on the sides and well ballasted Code 80 looks fine. Both are types of 'roundy roundy' but Windmill Hill is 'just' two extended circles whilst Tregonning has sidings and a junction. It all depends on what you want to achieve, of course, and where your skills and interests lie.

After having had (late 1960s to mid-80s) a DC double-track extended circle 'roundy roundy' with sidings and a station top and bottom, using Setrack and Peco Code 80 flex track, Cant Cove was always planned to be rather different: a sort of working diorama, a space to tell stories and a learning exercise for the future Penmayne, e.g. using Peco Code 55, live frog points, a Hex Frog Juicer and, not least, DCC Control. I really like the scenic work as it now is at Cant Cove along the front and am very pleased with how the track now looks. I want it to look as realistic as possible so that I can photograph scenes. (I know the beach and sea need finishing.) There is still plenty to do, (not least to fit auto-reverse on the mainline), but that's fine. I'm not in a hurry. I'm sure that Poppingham will be finished very quickly, in comparison. 8-)
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 27, 2018, 10:13:35 PM
Thank you very much for this, Chris.  I agree completely with all you say about Kevin and Martin's layouts.  And I really like Cant Cove - my favourite part is the end by the 'Tramway Inn' with the track bed of the former tramway crossing the bridge.

I'm so fortunate that Forum Friends understand the eccentric thing that I am attempting to achieve (a model of a toy?) and make very helpful suggestions.  The, perhaps, surprising thing is that I keep veering off towards model railway disciplines and techniques.  Probably because that is what I've known for about 40 years.  Today, Brian mentioned the importance of shiny-ness (I bought a spray can of gloss varnish in Harburn Hobbies when I was in) and Martin reminded me what the trees ought to look like.  Really important points, both.

Thank you to you and everyone else who is being so helpful and encouraging.  It really is very much appreciated.

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 28, 2018, 10:19:05 AM
Thanks, John. I really like the right-hand corner, too. Thinking about the former mineral tramway, at Cant Cove, I will make a paper base cut to fit then glue the pre-painted stone blocks that once carried the iron rails on a pencil grid. Then paint the base and add ballast, grass and weeds afterwards before glueing the whole strip in place. For 'false perspective' the blocks will gradually diminish in size and the spacing between them will decrease. For the blocks themselves, it would be much quicker to buy and use plastic strip of the correct width and depth but what should the dimensions be and where to buy it from? Once I had the correct strip, I reckon it's only about a day's work (with breaks for glue and paint to dry).
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 28, 2018, 08:14:18 PM
Finalising (Hopefully) the Sidings

Hello Chums

I was particularly grateful for your views on the third Down siding (the Railmotor Siding) and decided to keep it, if at all possible.  I obtained a new ST-6 left hand turnout and ST-8 buffer stops yesterday, so I was ready for fun today.

Installing the turnout in place of a very old and worn one was the work of a jiffy.  Before installing it, I gave it a good clean - rail heads and where the switches sit in the housings on the stock rails.

I then finalised the sidings, using, where necessary 'bespoke' length track pieces.  I have some old 'Setrack' pieces from my 2007 effort at British 'N' gauge and these are ideal for cutting.  Then I installed the buffer stops and checked the clearances with the Down main line.

For a 4' x 2'6" layout to have the maximum 'inside the oval' siding length, 'tight' clearances and fouling points are essential.  It would be easy enough for me to make the layout a tad bigger (and then another tad bigger until it was 16' x 9' and abandoned Ö like the last time!), but I'm sticking to my guns.  This takes a far greater attention to detail with track laying than one might expect for a fancy little train set.

Enough of the boring stuff - let's go back to a summer's day in nineteen thirty-something.  And it is a Great Western day!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-280818194239.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68513)
[The P Way gang has installed the sidings at Poppingham and testing is about to commence under the watchful eye of Inspector James Japp.  Chargehand fitter George Stephenson is in attendance to deal with any derailments - not that any are expected.]

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-280818194432.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68516)
[ Diesel (!) Railcar No. 22 is ideal for testing the Down main line clearances.  Les Eida is at the controls.  It's a tight clearance, but fine.]

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-280818194933.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68517)
[Next, Les eases No. 22 past Driver Geoff Duke's 'Dukedog' No. 3204 with its 'B Set' and old Bill Dean's 'Dean Goods' No. 2537 with a goods train.  Geoff is Bobbington* shed's usual driver for fast passenger work.  Old Bill is Senior Driver, but is nowadays normally on 'accommodated' light goods duties, usually with the senior goods guard George Coldstream.  Bill is looking at the diesel railcar with suspicion. Another 'fag paper' clearance at the fouling point but Inspector Japp is happy.]

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-280818195954.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68518)
[Finally, the longest Union Mills 4-4-0, the LNER 'Director' is to be tested.  The LNER has kindly made 'D11/2' No. 6397 The Lady of the Lake and a two carriage train available to Bobbington shed and Passed Fireman Neville Hill is in charge of the lovely apple green locomotive as Bill draws a goods train slowly past.  Inspector Japp is happy and has filled several pages of his notebook with observations to form the basis of the 'Sectional Appendix' for this yard.]

* Bobbington is a bigger place a little further along the line.  Named after Bobbie, a beautiful, fearless and oh so clever tabby we had when we lived very close to Culloden Moor many years ago.

Many thanks for looking.

Best wishes.

Tickety-tonk.

John and Poppy
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 28, 2018, 08:22:03 PM
Good work John.
I love those tight clearances.  That captures the essence of a train set beautifully.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on August 28, 2018, 08:46:23 PM
Agreed. I like the idea of using jelly beans to mark the clearances on the sidings :) Wouldn't last long on mine. :(
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 28, 2018, 08:53:46 PM
Good work John.
I love those tight clearances.  That captures the essence of a train set beautifully.

Seconded! The 'Dean Goods' is very tempting but, alas, they never ran in Cornwall in BR days, in fact, none of the class were shedded west of Bristol after WW2.

Taunton had an allocation of some of the 1930 batch of "2251" class 0-6-0 s, which almost certainly swept the Dean Goods away, and the GWR / BR(WR) had little use for 0-6-0 tender locos in the West Country and post-war just one or two 2251s at Exeter St Davids were the sole representatives in Devon and Cornwall: 2211 9/54-5/58 and 2230 8/50-6/57. (Although both Martin and I have a Peco one.) 2258 was allocated to Plymouth Laira (83D) 8/50-9/50, though.

Many Dean Goods were withdrawn in 1940 and the survivors then congregated on the Cambrian and at Bristol St Phillips Marsh where they were needed to haul diverted Bristol to South Wales trains across the Severn Bridge from Sharpness to Lydney when the Severn Tunnel was shut for maintenance as until circa 1952 the Deans were the only Tender Engines allowed across, together with 14xx and 2021 tanks. The bridge was later strengthened to take 43xx Moguls and the Deans migrated north to the Cambrian or east to Swindon's scrap yard.

The Taunton to Barnstaple line was largely the preserve of the Taunton 43xx's as they had their cab steps cut back to fit the Southern platforms at Barnstaple Junction so I was surprised to read of Deans appearing in 1940.

I'm afraid it is pretty unlikely that any Dean Goods or Dukedogs would have worked into the Cornwall. 
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 28, 2018, 08:57:04 PM
Agreed. I like the idea of using jelly beans to mark the clearances on the sidings :) Wouldn't last long on mine. :(


Nor on mine, Brian!

Safer with map pins...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-280818205546.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68519)
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 28, 2018, 09:18:42 PM
Good work John.
I love those tight clearances.  That captures the essence of a train set beautifully.

Seconded! The 'Dean Goods' is very tempting but, alas, they never ran in Cornwall in BR days, in fact, none of the class were shedded west of Bristol after WW2...

I'm afraid it is pretty unlikely that any Dean Goods or Dukedogs would have worked into the Cornwall.

Many thanks Chris.  And please remember, what you have is not Cornwall, but 'Alternative Cornwall'.  If you can have a mermaid, surely you can have a 'Dean Goods'.  A likely tale about a weight restriction somewhere and that's it; you can have this very pretty locomotive on your layout.

Hereabouts, Bobbington shed has Bill's usual No. 2537 and the spare engine, No. 2576, the one with the GWR roundel on the tender.  Chargehand fitter Geordie Stephenson is courting Bill's daughter and 2537 is kept in a condition to rival No. 6000!

All the very best.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 28, 2018, 09:28:55 PM
Someone has, of course, smuggled a Dean Goods into the Trepol Bay area.
And a fine sight she makes at the head of a GW demonstration freight train.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Skyline2uk on August 28, 2018, 09:43:47 PM
Quote
Many thanks Chris.  And please remember, what you have is not Cornwall, but 'Alternative Cornwall'.  If you can have a mermaid, surely you can have a 'Dean Goods'.  A likely tale about a weight restriction somewhere and that's it; you can have this very pretty locomotive on your layout.

100% correct! In its day Filton TMD has hosted all sorts of visitors from many classes (some demanding either overhead or third rail power, of which Filton has neither!) and all manor of freight. Not to mention a far busier passenger service demanding more stock than the real line than inspired it could ever justify.

In my case I had the easy excuse of a large port at the other end of a scenic break tunnel, which could have anything arriving.

Yes it can be fun to do research and assemble stock and trains that perfectly compliment each other and the scenery. But it can also be fun (and surely that the point?) to just play trains  :D

This is a lovely project and I love reading the updates.

Skyline2uk

P.S. The only drawback with this approach to model reality is, where do you stop? There is a Midland Blue Pullman for sale at the moment at a bargain price.... :worried:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 28, 2018, 09:57:34 PM
Thank you all. "2301" 'Dean Goods' were permitted to run to Wadebridge, along with the "2251", 43xx, 51xx, 61xx, and 81xx classes; not forgetting the pannier tanks. There is just no likelihood that a 'Dean Goods' ever got beyond Devon into Cornwall.

Whilst there is a long tradition of mermaids in Cornwall. 8-)

I will mull over a "Dean Goods", but in BR Black Early Crest livery on enthusiasts' special from Bristol (the loco. having worked a previous special from the Cambrian)!
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on August 29, 2018, 08:04:03 AM
Agreed. I like the idea of using jelly beans to mark the clearances on the sidings :) Wouldn't last long on mine. :(

I thought that they were mushrooms, often used to see how much space there is.  :doh:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 29, 2018, 08:52:19 AM
I will mull over a "Dean Goods", but in BR Black Early Crest livery on enthusiasts' special from Bristol (the loco. having worked a previous special from the Cambrian)!

Ideal!  And another special could have a 'Dukedog' as these were a speciality of the Cambrian section.

Yes it can be fun to do research and assemble stock and trains that perfectly compliment each other and the scenery. But it can also be fun (and surely that the point?) to just play trains  :D

This is a lovely project and I love reading the updates.

I agree completely with the first point and am particularly grateful for the second.  The help and encouragement I receive from friends on the Forum is simply fantastic.  Thank you!

I thought that they were mushrooms, often used to see how much space there is.  :doh:

 :laughabovepost:

Thank you very much, chaps.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on August 29, 2018, 09:13:12 AM
Still think you should put a little house on top of your tunnel ( about 0.5mm scale) with a little path up to it  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 29, 2018, 09:33:37 AM
700 Class steam locomotive No. 3440 (post-1912 number 3717) "City of Truro" worked an excursion from Plymouth to Penzance on 15 September 1957 (just within my 1956-1967, approx.) modelling period and I would happily buy a Union Mills model of "City of Truro" if one was ever made. Furthermore, February 1961 saw it hauling the Westward Television exhibition train into Penzance. This train visited 22 towns in Cornwall with Jack Train hosting the event, a local celebrity from Plymouth who was a British Film and Radio Actor during WW2. (Westward Television commenced broadcasting on 29th April, 1961.) So, plenty of justification.

A 'Dean Goods' is a future possibility (at least one got as far as Plymouth) but a 'Dukedog', I'm afraid is not, not least because of the prominent outside coupling rods which, I understand, require more width than even an outside crank Class 08 (of which I have two, soon to be three). It's not only the cost of buying the UM models, lovely though they are and great haulers, it's also the cost of DCC-fitting for a loco. which would get very little use.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: belstone on August 29, 2018, 09:50:13 AM
I am thoroughly enjoying this thread.  Will you have working signals?  One at the end of each platform.  Go on, you know you want to.

Richard
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 29, 2018, 11:22:28 AM
I am thoroughly enjoying this thread.  Will you have working signals?  One at the end of each platform.  Go on, you know you want to.

Richard

Thank you very much, Richard.  That's jolly kind of you to say so.  And it helps keep my enthusiasm bubbling away!  Yes, working signals are an absolute must.  Probably a bit over-size as well.  Colourful perfection would be a stop and distant arm on the same post.  Failing that, at least one distant signal to provide a bit of yellow.

... I would happily buy a Union Mills model of "City of Truro" if one was ever made...


Great news+++, Chris; City of Truro is coming this autumn.  I got a notification in the post from Colin Heard and there is a thread about it on the Forum as well.  I've one on order.  Please let me know if you would like me to order one for you as well.

Still think you should put a little house on top of your tunnel ( about 0.5mm scale) with a little path up to it  ;) ;D

Thank you, George.  Forced perspective on a train set.  I like this idea very much.  I'll not do it as well as the late Jack Nelson did, but you know that.  Martin has suggested that some vehicles ought to be overscale and I have a '00' 'Birkin Blower Bentley' (I wonder if we all have one of these!) which could go right at the front...


Thank you very much, gentlemen.


John

Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on August 29, 2018, 11:30:22 AM
You could put this in the middle of it  :D

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Bealman's_Album/Dir_3/main_2759.jpg)
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 29, 2018, 02:06:58 PM
"Great news+++, Chris; City of Truro is coming this autumn.  I got a notification in the post from Colin Heard and there is a thread about it on the Forum as well.  I've one on order.  Please let me know if you would like me to order one for you as well."

Yes, please, John. Many thnaks. When you have to pay for mine, please, let me know and add postage to Douglas at Wickness for DCC-fitting. (Payment for which I'll arrange direct with Douglas.) I suspect that Martin will be also be tempted so it will work 'through' on Christmas Specials! 8-)

If Colin does get Narrow Planet to do etched name and number plates as an extra special one-off Limited Edition that's the one for me. If not, after DCC-fitting it will go for detailing, anyway, and I hope Narrow Planet will sell the 'plates set.

(I need to finish the "Castle Estates" exhibition train for it to work, too.)

I just hope those outside coupling rods won't exceed the already generous platform clearance: "MIND THE GAP!" 8-)
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 29, 2018, 09:05:26 PM
Another Photograph from the Clearance Testing

Hello Chums

I didn't want to bore you even more with another photograph yesterday.  But, if you don't mind too much, I'll bore you today:-

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-290818205156.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68553)

I think that this goes some way towards capturing the look of model railway catalogues of about 60 years ago.  I have part of a Tri-ang Railways catalogue of 1961 (I think) and the illustrations look a bit like this.  And how I pored over that catalogue many years ago...

Disclaimer: Please note that this is a poorly 'tinkered with' photograph from someone with nothing better to do and the modern equipment illustrated looks much better in real life!

Thank you for looking and best wishes.

Pip-pip.

John

Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on August 29, 2018, 09:57:42 PM
What a lovely photo. You have captured the very essence of the old magazines so well.
I note, however,  that the ďjelly beansí are still in place  :D
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on August 29, 2018, 10:07:17 PM
What a lovely photo. You have captured the very essence of the old magazines so well.
I note, however,  that the ďjelly beansí are still in place  :D

Agreed. Just as I remember old photos. It's the couplings that give the game away that it's not Triang. :pmsign:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Skyline2uk on August 29, 2018, 10:08:17 PM
Quote
Disclaimer: Please note that this is a poorly 'tinkered with' photograph from someone with nothing better to do and the modern equipment illustrated looks much better in real life!

Disclaimer absolutely unnecessary, that looks simply wonderful! If I was a lad in the given time period, I would have drooled over that photo for months on end  :drool:

As it is I did much the same over Farish catalogues, Railway Modeller magazines and in later years N Gauge Society journals with CJM adverts in them. Ah those were the days...

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 29, 2018, 10:18:33 PM
What a lovely photo. You have captured the very essence of the old magazines so well.
I note, however,  that the ďjelly beansí are still in place  :D

:hellosign: Absolutely wonderful photo John, captures everything so spot on
      regards Derek.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Hailstone on August 30, 2018, 12:33:19 AM
I agree, the sepia type tone gives it an almost Hornby tinplate look

Regards

Alex
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 30, 2018, 07:53:30 AM
Thank you so very much, friends, for these absolutely wonderful comments.  References to Tri-ang, Hornby tinplate and old publications are precisely the kind of flattery that I appreciate greatly.  You know, I am first to accept that this is a peculiar little project (and much more difficult that I imagined when I started it this time last year) but maybe, just maybe, I am slowly getting somewhere.

Anyway, I took another photograph and then subjected it to abuse as well.  As it was not a GWR locomotive and the clearance testing escapade was supposed to occur on a 'GWR Day', I did not upload it.  But as you haven't fallen about laughing at the all-GWR effort and Enchantress is always a popular engine, here it is:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-300818074518.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68565)

This kind of makes me think of the box lid artwork for a train set.  Of course, the contents of the box would likely be a tank engine, two wagons and a brake van, a circle of track ... and a key!

Thanks again for all these ever so kind remarks.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 30, 2018, 09:39:04 AM
 :hellosign:.  :greatpicturessign:.   :thumbsup:.   
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 30, 2018, 09:51:50 AM
I agree, the sepia type tone gives it an almost Hornby tinplate look

Regards

Alex

Seconded! Great photos. Early Graham Farish locos. look similar to Union Mills ones so I think at least a 94xx in GWR livery, if not also a 57xx in the same, should be considered for the fleet.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on August 30, 2018, 01:06:51 PM
All you need now is to include a happy father and son in the photo.  This being N gauge not Hornby Dublo you don't have to feature a freak of nature (look carefully and count Dad's fingers)   :D


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/5885-300818130537.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68574)
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on August 30, 2018, 07:42:15 PM
All you need now is to include a happy father and son in the photo.  This being N gauge not Hornby Dublo you don't have to feature a freak of nature (look carefully and count Dad's fingers)   :D

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/5885-300818130537.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68574[/url])


Very many thanks for this absolutely super picture.  That looks like an operating TPO Van in the formation behind Silver King.  I assume that the picture dates to 1957/1958.

As one of that endangered species - tie wearers - I could pose (but not in a Guards tie, though) for the picture, but the small boy might be more difficult to arrange.  Perhaps Poppy could be bribed to act as a stand in.

That additional finger would have come in handy from time to time, but gloves must have been difficult for the chap.

Thanks, again, for the picture and for getting into the spirit of my total nonsense!

Best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on August 30, 2018, 08:19:42 PM
A great bit of fun, makes me want to get the TT out of the cabinet (bought these while on Honeymoon in '86!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/5885-300818201751.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68585)

The N gauge stuff above is Minitrix push-along (apart from the Lone Star signal box)

There's a Dublo Silver King further up the shelves out of shot.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 30, 2018, 09:19:01 PM
If you want (as has been suggested) to mix scales on the tabletop railway, John, I found some 00 Gauge coal sack stacks and plain sack piles. If not they will go to a friend who has a 00 Gauge layout.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 02, 2018, 02:26:53 PM
Still on the subject of trainset tunnels, I found several excellent HO Czech marketed ones. Here's one:

https://www.itvlaky.cz/2-kolejne-tunely/h0-tunel--2-kolejny--zahnuty-noch-05180/ (https://www.itvlaky.cz/2-kolejne-tunely/h0-tunel--2-kolejny--zahnuty-noch-05180/)
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 08, 2018, 09:22:47 PM
Many thanks, Chris.  And apologies for my unintentional rudeness in responding so late to your kind offer.  I was away.  I think I'll probably restrict any 'overscale' features to road vehicles as Martin suggested.  I'm sure that you '00'-modelling friend will find these items to be very useful.

With regard to the illustration of the tunnel - what super fun; it's absolutely fabulous and made me laugh!

Thanks again and all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 09, 2018, 11:33:40 AM
Thank you, John. I also love that highly imaginative tunnel (and the same Website has others, too).

The 00 accessories will indeed be on their way to my friend's 00 Gauge layout.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Hiawatha on September 09, 2018, 05:11:24 PM
Hi John, how about a tunnel in this style?

https://tischbahn.de/blechkunstwerk-die-tunnellandschaft-in-spur-00/ (https://tischbahn.de/blechkunstwerk-die-tunnellandschaft-in-spur-00/)


@Bealman (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=255) - Is the James Bond Aston Martin yours? :heart2:   Do you collect old toy cars?
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 09, 2018, 08:39:59 PM
Hi John, how about a tunnel in this style?

[url]https://tischbahn.de/blechkunstwerk-die-tunnellandschaft-in-spur-00/[/url] ([url]https://tischbahn.de/blechkunstwerk-die-tunnellandschaft-in-spur-00/[/url])


@Bealman ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=255[/url]) - Is the James Bond Aston Martin yours? :heart2:   Do you collect old toy cars?


Hello Hiawatha, and thank you so much for the link to these superb pictures.  That's pretty much what George @Bealman (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=255) was suggesting, albeit with a castle rather than a house on top of the tunnel in this case.  Clearly the 'out of proportion' tunnel is even more of a model railway icon than I had realised.  We might have a bit of fun with this ...

Thanks again and all best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 09, 2018, 10:33:27 PM
Hello Chums

Whilst 'Tea Cosy Tunnel' (officially 'Improbable Tunnel' and, sometimes, 'Poppingham Tunnel') has been attracting interest and some wonderful ideas (thank you very much for these), there has been a little bit of progress with the Table-Top Railway.  Not much, I accept, due to us being away last week (not Poppy; she stayed here and was very well looked after), but some...
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-090918204729.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68851)

There was a consensus that the excellent Metcalfe kit for an incline to the overbridge was too model railway-like and that it might be better if I built something less realistic myself.  This is the first step - effectively a ramp that takes the road from the overbridge to what will, I hope, be a little square in front of Poppingham station.  It is about a 1:7 1/2 gradient.  A tad steeper might be less realistic, but not too steep or the road vehicles will end up in a heap at the bottom. I'll play with this for a day or two.

I have absolutely no idea why an Edinburgh Corporation No. 6 'City Tour' motor omnibus is climbing up the hill in what is, today, Great Western country, but that's the way of this layout.

One thing, though, it is a 'plug and play' layout.  After over a week's inactivity, I plugged in the old Gaugemaster 'Model D', twirled the knobs and two trains ran beautifully.  That says a lot for the excellence of Gaugemaster DC control equipment, Peco track and track power feed fishplates, and Union Mills locomotives.

Thank you for looking, best wishes and...

Toodle-oo.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on September 09, 2018, 10:38:35 PM
Hi John, how about a tunnel in this style?

[url]https://tischbahn.de/blechkunstwerk-die-tunnellandschaft-in-spur-00/[/url] ([url]https://tischbahn.de/blechkunstwerk-die-tunnellandschaft-in-spur-00/[/url])


@Bealman ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=255[/url]) - Is the James Bond Aston Martin yours? :heart2:   Do you collect old toy cars?


Yes, it is mine, but I don't collect model cars, not any more anyway - unless they're N gauge ones to go on the layout.

I was given that Bond car for Christmas as a kid, but I've kept it all these years.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on September 10, 2018, 03:21:57 PM
Coming on nicely :thumbsup:
I think the approach to the bridge is not steep enough! For a model railway it's OK but a train set it needs to be steeper. Where the first block is is about where the road should "hit" ground level IMHO. If it's too steep for vehicles a little blutac would hold them in place.
My dos centimos, °salud!
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on September 10, 2018, 04:33:44 PM
Looks good to me. I think the slope is probably ok but I see where Mito is coming from.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 10, 2018, 09:56:28 PM
Persuasion

I like something to read on holiday and this year took a favourite book, Persuasion, by Jane Austen.  The story takes place in Somersetshire and Dorsetshire.  What could be better than Lord Poppingham arranging a special excursion to Bath, Uppercross, Kellynch and Lyme to visit the principal locations?  He also arranged that the S&DJR provided the motive power, apart from the Lyme Regis branch.  The LMS Railway provided the rolling stock for the main train.  Persuasion was published in 1818; the special excursion took place about 115-ish years later.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/68/6222-100918214734.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=68899)
[Lord Poppingham's special train departs Poppingham station on the Up line hauled by a S&DJR 4-4-0 No. 40.]


And, thank you, Brian and Martin, for your kind observations on the slope of the road leading to the overbridge.

Thank you for looking.

Best wishes.

Pip-pip.

John


Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 14, 2018, 03:06:33 PM
October 2018 Railway Modeller

Hello Chums

I purchased this magazine at KX yesterday to read on the train back down to Edinburgh.  There is a very nice British 'N' Gauge layout, Lymebrook Yard, which is set in the late 1970s.  Not my favourite era (I remember it too well!), but that doesn't matter as there is much to learn from the layout.  It is 4' x 2', rather than my favoured 4' x 2' 6" and, unfortunately, the track plan does not show the hidden fiddle yard arrangement.  In my view, the article is well worth a look and evidence, to me at least, of the great potential of four-ish by two-ish 'table-top' layouts in 'N' gauge.

It was a long journey yesterday as the train was a bit of a 'stopper', so I had a detailed read of the magazine.  On page 877, under the title of 'New Factory for Bachmann Europe plc' there is some interesting information.  For Bachmann Europe plc, Bachmann '00' Gauge accounts for 50% of turnover.  Graham Farish is 20%.  Now that's interesting as it suggests that, for Bachmann, the British 'N' gauge market is 40% of that for '00'.  I think that is a strong figure for our scale.  Overall expenditure will, I think, be less than that ratio as Hornby's '00' sales will be a very significant factor.  Still, good news for us, I think.

Finally, there is an interesting letter from E Court (p. 867) about, 'The seven ages of modelling?'  I found a lot to agree with in this letter and placed myself as a 'five about to become a six', having pretty much given up on large layouts and now starting out in a new scale, British 'N' Gauge.

A good issue and I'm glad that Peco has returned to the three colour rotation for the covers.

With best wishes.

Pip-pip.

John   
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 16, 2018, 02:42:00 PM
Dead Frogs...

Hello Chums

As I understand it, live frogs are generally accepted as better than dead frogs for two-rail electric model railways.  Hornby certainly thought so when 'Dublo' went two-rail and the assumed wiring complexities resulting from this decision were believed to have cost the company market share to the dead frog Tri-ang system.

Looking back, I have used live frogs for more than thirty years.  Until now.

When I was thinking about the Table-Top Railway, I conducted a few simple tests with Union Mills locomotives and Peco points, both live frog and dead frog.  Both were fine and I used the live frog variety, combined with Peco 'Setrack', on Mark I.  Much was learnt from the many disasters that occurred with this layout, and Mark II (too small) and Mark III (too big) used Kato 'Unitrack'.

For Mark IV (just about the right size, I think!), I reverted to Peco 'Setrack'.  To make the best use of the space (4' x 2'6"), I used 'Setrack' dead frog points.  These have worked well and the Union Mills locomotives and Graham Farish GWR diesel railcars all run nicely.

A combination of circumstances meant that I had not been able to play trains for a fortnight, so last evening I got the four corks into action and had a jolly spiffing track cleaning session.  This is a big advantage of a four-ish by two-ish layout; track cleaning is not a daunting prospect.  It takes me about fifteen minutes.

Looking at the clean track, devoid of trains, this morning I had a thought about the dead frog points.  They have proven to be perfectly fine with Union Mills locomotives, which are all tender engines with power pick-up on the 'American system' (the locomotive picks up from one rail and the tender from the other - simple and effective), but what would they be like with a little tank engine?

Fortunately, I have a Dapol '48xx' 0-4-2T, which I bought for my abortive British 'N' gauge effort of about 10 years ago.  It has been sitting about the train set room as a ornament for a while (it appeared in some of the photographs illustrating the tale of the failed diesels), so I gave it a quick clean and prepared it for a turn of duty. 

From the third 'Down Siding' (called the 'Rail Motor Siding' when I'm having a GWR day) to the Down Main Line involves passing over three dead frog points in quick succession.  This, I thought, would be a good test.

This little wobbly film shows the result: https://www.dropbox.com/s/xm7l3x8xkomzjr6/Auto%20Train.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/xm7l3x8xkomzjr6/Auto%20Train.MOV?dl=0)

The '48xx' has the acceleration characteristics of a 1972 Kawasaki two-stroke 750cc triple ( @Newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264) will understand this!) and it was a tad tricky to film a start at a realistic speed.  I just about managed it, but the wobbling was unavoidable.  I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions from the film.

Many thanks for looking.

Toodle pip.

John


   
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Innovationgame on September 16, 2018, 02:55:36 PM
The '48xx' has the acceleration characteristics of a 1972 Kawasaki two-stroke 750cc triple

I hope it doesn't burn out the piston on the middle cylinder!  :D
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on September 16, 2018, 03:10:13 PM
Just the tiniest of stalls on that first point John but definitely ok as far as Iím concerned.
I find that it is really important to ensure that there is no gunk collected right against the plastic frog. Thatís the place where rubbing the track to clean is is least effective.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on September 16, 2018, 03:49:55 PM
The '48xx' has the acceleration characteristics of a 1972 Kawasaki two-stroke 750cc triple

I hope it doesn't burn out the piston on the middle cylinder!  :D

Or hinge in the middle! :no:
Both take off like a rocket, though.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 16, 2018, 07:22:07 PM
Just the tiniest of stalls on that first point John but definitely ok as far as Iím concerned.
I find that it is really important to ensure that there is no gunk collected right against the plastic frog. Thatís the place where rubbing the track to clean is is least effective.


Many thanks for you helpful observations, Martin

Yes, I saw that in the film but not on the layout.  It just goes to show that the camera is a useful ally.  I think the slight hesitation is between the common crossings so might not be connected to the dead frogs.

I hope that this has been a useful contribution to the continuing debate about dead frog points.

With regard to cleaning in and around the plastic frogs (common crossings), I like this little gadget:-

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6222-160918190845.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69137)

I got it (and a spare) in that marvellous shop, Lakeland.  There is one down the hill at Melville Grange, but I prefer the big one at Windermere which has a very agreeable cafe.  I'll get there next month if I behave myself!

The '48xx' has the acceleration characteristics of a 1972 Kawasaki two-stroke 750cc triple

I hope it doesn't burn out the piston on the middle cylinder!  :D


Or hinge in the middle! :no:
Both take off like a rocket, though.


Exactly, Mick!  An evil-handling motorcycle if ever there was one.  Triumphs used to get a bit upset if one throttled back in a corner, unlike a Velo or Norton which would put up with that sort of thing.  You'll remember the 'Tritons', where people put a Triumph 650cc engine in a 'Featherbed' frame from a Norton ES2 or Model 50.  Hence the rarity of these singles nowadays.  There were even 'Tribsas' for those who had a BSA frame!

If persuaded, I could tell you about my most embarrassing motorcycling incident caused by a machine from @Chris in Prague (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2895) 's part of the world.  But this is straying from Peco dead frog points!


Anyway, thank you for your comments, chaps.


John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 16, 2018, 08:27:42 PM
That's a superb cleaning tool, John. I've never seen anything like it.

A Jawa motorbike?
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on September 16, 2018, 08:30:55 PM
That's a superb cleaning tool, John. I've never seen anything like it.

A Jawa motorbike?

It cleans teeth and gums in one go!

We are in Truro tomorrow (and there is a Lakeland there). I may invest in one of these interesting implements.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 16, 2018, 08:55:14 PM
That's a superb cleaning tool, John. I've never seen anything like it.

A Jawa motorbike?

Yes, indeed, Chris.

A 350cc two-stoke twin.

There was a young lady I was trying to impress and my BSA 250cc was sitting at the side of the road.  Her neighbour then appeared and started chatting and offered me a shot on his Jawa.  Keen to impress, I kicked it into life.  It gave a bit of a bang and a puff of blue smoke from the exhausts and then settled into a lumpy tickover.

I gave it a good rev up to impress the young lady, looked over my shoulder, let the clutch out and took off...

Backwards!  Fortunately a high kerb stopped me hitting the lampost.  Young lady was convulsed with laughter.

A two-stroke engine runs equally happily forwards and backwards.  The bang was it backfiring and reversing direction. 

Moral of the story:  only attempt to impress ladies (the 'young' has now been edited out) with a British four-stroke motorcycle.

Stay upright.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 17, 2018, 07:31:36 AM
That's a superb cleaning tool, John. I've never seen anything like it.

A Jawa motorbike?

It cleans teeth and gums in one go!

We are in Truro tomorrow (and there is a Lakeland there). I may invest in one of these interesting implements.

Many Czech males of a certain age can tell similar tales, John and Martin.

Martin, if you do see these special cleaning tools, please, buy one for me. Cant Cove may not have much plain track but it has plenty of points to keep clean!
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on September 17, 2018, 09:46:01 AM
My mate, Andy, passed his test before me so he had a Jawa 350 while I had a CZ250 until I passed mine. Betcha can't guess what country the CZ was made in ;D
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 17, 2018, 10:07:51 AM
That's a superb cleaning tool, John. I've never seen anything like it.

A Jawa motorbike?


It cleans teeth and gums in one go!

We are in Truro tomorrow (and there is a Lakeland there). I may invest in one of these interesting implements.


Martin,

At the risk of the most boring post in the history of the Forum, this is what the packaging looks like!
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6222-170918100656.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69152)

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Bealman on September 17, 2018, 10:09:44 AM
That is pretty boring.  ;)
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 17, 2018, 10:30:07 AM
That is pretty boring.  ;)

But very useful. 8-)
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 17, 2018, 01:18:18 PM
That is pretty boring.  ;)
:beers:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on September 17, 2018, 06:36:36 PM
All to no avail Iím afraid.
Out of stock it seems in Cornwall.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on September 17, 2018, 06:44:39 PM
Not only is it boring, it's blocking the lines. :D
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 17, 2018, 08:16:58 PM
Not only is it boring, it's blocking the lines. :D

It sure is (was), Brian.  But we're all right at the Table-Top Railway.  Passed Fireman Neville Hill and Guard George (Coldstream) Wolfe have done what the rule book requires.  More worryingly, Old Bill Dean and Neville Hill's locomotive appears to have disappeared.  As far as I know, we have not had a Furness Railway-style locomotive disappearance hereabouts (although the Furness is one of our favourite railways).

The only explanation that we can offer is to consult Ms Toyah Wilcox (and our spelling might be distinctly dodgy).

All the very best.

Poppy and John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on September 17, 2018, 08:27:50 PM

The only explanation that we can offer is to consult Ms Toyah Wilcox (and our spelling might be distinctly dodgy).


Sadly Ms Wilcox is none too helpful with her stock reply to all questions of "It's a mystery" ::)
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 17, 2018, 08:35:31 PM

The only explanation that we can offer is to consult Ms Toyah Wilcox (and our spelling might be distinctly dodgy).


Sadly Ms Wilcox is none too helpful with her stock reply to all questions of "It's a mystery" ::)
:beers:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on September 19, 2018, 07:32:26 AM
All to no avail Iím afraid.
Out of stock it seems in Cornwall.

Arriving in Cornwall next decade?  :D
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 19, 2018, 08:25:34 PM
Horrid Weather Outside

Hello Chums

Our neighbours' garden fence became airborne this afternoon and landed on our lawn.  Fortunately Poppy was not below it.  When out surveying the damage a little bit later, Poppy found herself surrounded by seven pheasants also looking at the chaos.  After a bit of a stand-off, Poppy retreated to her favourite armchair.  One has got to be careful when the other side has air superiority.

But it is always agreeable weather inside the train set room.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6222-190918201611.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69229)
[Ex-LNWR 'Prince of Wales 4-6-0 No. 5604 Enchantress is showing off in the indoors sunshine on the Up Main line.  Geordie Stephenson and the chaps at Bobbington shed have the 4-6-0 in sparkling condition.  All but the most dyed-in-the-wool LNWR people think she looks lovely in her crimson lake livery.]

By the way, there is a story to tell about her unique whistle.

Thank you for looking.

Very best wishes.

Tickety-tonk.

John and Poppy (fast asleep - probably dreaming about pheasants.)
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: daffy on September 19, 2018, 08:35:52 PM
Enchanting. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on September 19, 2018, 08:38:52 PM
Hopefully you will survive the weather without further damage.
It was very windy here last evening and overnight but itís almost eerily still here now.
However, gales are forecast again for later tomorrow.

The 4-6-0 is very enchanting and as such, aptly named.

Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: cornish yorkie on September 19, 2018, 08:53:56 PM
 :hellosign:   :greatpicturessign:  Thanks for the latest updates, all very interesting, love the cleaning tool but motorbikes & me don`t get on  :no:.
  Enchantress certainly is looking splendid, thanks for sharing
       regards Derek.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 19, 2018, 09:35:02 PM
:hellosign:   :greatpicturessign:  Thanks for the latest updates, all very interesting, love the cleaning tool but motorbikes & me don`t get on  :no:.
  Enchantress certainly is looking splendid, thanks for sharing
       regards Derek.

Many thanks, as ever, Derek for your kind and encouraging comments.

I know what you mean about motorcycles.  Like with riding horses, one has to be careful.

In my time (to date!) I have fallen off once (my own dashed stupidity but I was 16) and been hit once (by a Ford Cortina!).

Thanks, again, for all your lovely contributions to this thread which are very much appreciated.

With best wishes.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on September 20, 2018, 08:48:29 AM
One has got to be careful when the other side has air superiority.

 :D
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 20, 2018, 08:54:58 AM
A Postcard from the Athens of the North

Hello Chums

Earlier in the week I laid claim to the most boring post in the history of the Forum.  Today, I'm indulging in more silliness by hijacking my own thread.

I thought that I should like to send my Forum Friends a picture postcard from the 46241, sometimes called 9874, or even 60160.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6222-200918084105.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69234)
Piercing the sky to the left is the monument to 60143, author, poet, historian and pretty much the inventor of the Scottish tourist industry.  In the centre of the view is the 60140 Hotel, but better known in 'old money' as the 60161 Hotel, or, simply, the 'NB'.  The photograph was taken from atop the Mound Tunnel (more or less!) and is looking east over Princes Street Gardens.  9876 Station is to the right of the picture, hidden by the trees.
Perhaps you can just make out the castellated towers of the old Calton Gaol, to the right of the hotel.  There are stories aplenty of visitors arriving in the station from the south being greatly disappointed by what they assumed to be Edinburgh Castle (sorry, no number; unfortunately, BR(W) stopped building the superb 'Castle Class' before they got this far north! [and for the Highland Railway, this far south]).  The castle is actually behind-ish the photographer.

Having a lovely time and wish you were here.

Toodle-oo.

John

 
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on September 20, 2018, 08:58:48 AM
Answers on a postcard?
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: bridgiesimon on September 20, 2018, 09:34:38 AM
Very clever!

Got most of them but is 9876 named 'Waverley'?

Best wishes
60112 will, not actually knighted yet hehe!!
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 20, 2018, 04:32:59 PM
Very clever!

Got most of them but is 9876 named 'Waverley'?

Best wishes
60112 will, not actually knighted yet hehe!!

Thank you, Simon.

Yes, you are spot-on: No. 9876 was Waverley and No. 9874 was Dunedin.

Both NBR 'Atlantics' in LNER days.  Nos. 876 and 874 under the NBR.

It was a great shame about the last 'Atlantic', No. 9875 Midlothian, which was saved from scrapping at the last minute in 1938, due to public demand supported by William Whitelaw, and returned to service prior to being placed in York museum.  By November 1939 the locomotive was pretty much worn out and was scrapped - the country had, by then, more to worry about than locomotive preservation.

All the best.

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 21, 2018, 09:24:22 AM
Some Thoughts on the Virtues of Simplicity

Hello Chums

I have been enjoying playing with model railways, on and off, since 1969.  For years, each attempt at a layout got more complex than the one before.  Track formations, point operation, wiring and all the rest.  The Plywood Pacific, which was a 'H0' attempt at Sherman Hill, had Tortoise point motors all wired to change the polarity of the live frog Peco points.  Code 75 track of course.  It had a control panel which was meant to look like a despatcher's CCT panel.  It needed a despatcher (whose operating position was arranged so that he could not see the trains) and several engineers to make it run.  Cleaning all that track was a task not to be undertaken lightly.  It filled a garage!  That's just an example; there were others, including a 'P4' layout with hand-built track and interlaced sleepers on the turnouts as well!

But here's an interesting thing.  Poppingham, the Table-Top Railway (Mark IV), is giving me more pleasure than any of these complicated projects ever did.  Without any shadow of a doubt, a big component of this is due to the Forum and all the wonderful friends on it.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6222-210918091944.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69285)
After a while wondering what the other component is, I came to the conclusion that it is simplicity and reliable operation any time I want to play trains.  A 'four by two-and-a-half' double track oval with a visible (scenic, too, in due course - I hope) storage yard.  Above baseboard wiring, Peco 'Setrack' with dead frog points which are manually operated.  Two track feeds to each oval, wired as common return.  Quarter an hour to thoroughly clean the track.

Perhaps a layout like this could be easily dismissed as unlikely to work well and be a bore to operate, but my experience to date suggests the opposite.  Yes, I am building it carefully on a sound base to try to avoid self-inflicted problems, but the fact remains that this simple form of design and construction works well.

What started off as primarily an exercise in nostalgia, to create a pastiche of the kind of layout that I would have loved as a ten-year old, has ended up making me reconsider my* approach to this wonderful hobby of ours.

I'll say ta-ra for now as Poppy and I are off to play trains...

*I emphasise 'my approach'.  One of the great joys of this hobby is that we are all free to take our own approach, and to alter and develop this as we wish.

Thank you for looking.

All best wishes.

John


Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on September 21, 2018, 10:18:23 AM

I'll say ta-ra for now as Poppy and I are off to play trains...

That's one of the great benefits of keeping things simple. Too often playing trains involves troubleshooting problems and fixing them rather than just plonking loco + train on track and watching it go. I don't think I've cleaned my track for nearly 6 months but everything still works just fine, the main problem area being points, and I know frog polarity switching will solve that headache.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 21, 2018, 04:19:28 PM
Tree Time

May I be so bold as to add a couple more suggestions which you may disregard or utilise as you wish.
Road vehicles - almost certainly not all to scale. I remember my layout as a 10/11 year old had vehicles of all shapes and sizes.
Trees - those heavy plastic green and brown monstrocities  set on round plastic bases the size of a three penny bit.


Thank you so much for this, Martin.  I had been thinking about trees from the 'normal' suppliers until I read your suggestion a couple of weeks ago.  You are correct, of course.  I got looking on the internet - the place for such things - and found these.  Are these close to what you had in mind?
 
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6222-210918160946.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69288)
They smell of balloons and the green bits go everywhere.  I'll need to give them a spray with the cheapest hairspray I can find to try to fix the 'foliage'.


I unpacked the trees carefully on a table covered in newspaper as I anticipated that it might be a messy business.  Fortunately, I was given expert assistance to undertake the delicate operation.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6222-210918161634.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69289)

Many thanks for looking.

All the very best.

John and Poppy
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on September 21, 2018, 04:21:41 PM
Just the job.
Especially the tangerine coloured ones. They are a dream  :D
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on September 21, 2018, 08:38:39 PM
I've been down that complex road too, American HO hand laid and track points. Interesting but got me nowhere fast.
Love the trees and expert helper. Real train set trees! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 22, 2018, 09:35:42 AM
I've been down that complex road too, American HO hand laid and track points. Interesting but got me nowhere fast.
Love the trees and expert helper. Real train set trees! :thumbsup:


Just the job.
Especially the tangerine coloured ones. They are a dream  :D

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6222-220918092611.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69310)

Thank you very much for your comments, chaps.  Yes, Poppy was fascinated by the tangerine dream trees.  She thought that they would be ideal if we ever build a German layout.

Today's jobs; buying cheap and sticky hairspray (these self-service checkouts have their uses after all!), and cleaning out the vacuum cleaner.  I also have a further thought on simplicity and layouts which I might write on here - or maybe not!

John
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 22, 2018, 10:11:35 AM
I fully agree with the comments about the trees shown and the importance of operating simplicity to maximise operator enjoyment. The wiring for DCC and lighting is quite enough complexity for me without adding electrically powered points. (There is only so much that can be crammed into a small underboard space.) DCC requires MANY power connections for smooth running and lighting (although 2mm lamps are massively overscale) makes a big difference for photographs, as shown in Martin's layouts.

I've always been a big Tangerine Dream fan. 8-)
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on September 22, 2018, 04:51:15 PM
Is Poppy not getting a little maternal the way she's snuggled round the "dreams", or is the paper more interesting?  :confused1:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: jamespetts on September 22, 2018, 04:52:13 PM
Your cat is very cute.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 23, 2018, 08:18:23 PM
The Train Set Room is Now Very Smelly...

Hello Chums

...Very smelly indeed.  I love that this is a Family Forum, so I shan't say what it smells like, other than the large can of 'Extra Firm Hold' hairspray cost £0.95!  Shall we simply say that it is heavily fragranced?  I did the actual spraying of the trees outside and a toxic cloud now hangs over the Lothians.  But I then took the trees into the train set room and 'planted' them on the layout.  The aroma persists...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6222-230918202034.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69356)
['T9' 4-4-0 No. 304, in charge of an Up passenger train, is seen accelerating away from its Poppingham station stop and passing Poppingham Wood.]

Just look at these awful trees!  Realistically unrealistic or what?

Just the very thing, I think.

Others, equally appalling, are planted elsewhere on the layout and I'll inflict a picture of them on you later.  Not this evening, as I can only spend a short time in the train set room before a combination of the stink and an urge to hum the tune of 'Lovely Ladies' from Les Miserables forces a sharp exit.

Your cat is very cute.

Thank you very much, James.  I told Poppy this on your behalf.  She knows she is.  As do others which means that we get rather a lot of what might best be described as feline gentlemen callers, of whom Brambles is the most persistent.  I don't know what his owners call him, but that's our name for him.

Many thanks for looking at this nonsense.

Wil best wishes.

Tickety-tonk.

John





Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Mito on September 23, 2018, 08:31:54 PM
Absolutely dreadful toy-like trees. :) I'm afraid the "extra hold" fragrance will hold memories for sometime to come. 
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: port perran on September 23, 2018, 09:10:40 PM
Those trees look like anything but.... trees.
Brilliant.
I love them.
The T9 however looks  fabulous - absolutely .
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Newportnobby on September 23, 2018, 09:27:39 PM
Mayhap the T9 is accelerating past Poppingham Wood owing to the stench pervading the area :D
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: keithbythe sea on September 24, 2018, 07:46:49 AM
Lovely trees! Although I am a little concerned that the one second from left is rather too realistic?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: ntpntpntp on September 24, 2018, 08:55:21 AM
Mayhap the T9 is accelerating past Poppingham Wood owing to the stench pervading the area :D

Ah... like the pungent odours experienced if passing through Ashford Kent when Proprietary Perfumes Ltd.* were brewing up a new batch!   It always concerned me that they were next door to Batchelors - "The home of Pot Noodle"

* My nickname for them was Professional Pongs!
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 24, 2018, 10:48:40 AM
The T9 'Greyhounds' are very elegant locos. I'm delighted to see that No.304 has an appropriate train behind it. (The CLPG are still, patiently, awaiting theirs to be released from heavy general overhaul at Eastleigh Works.)

Some of those small dark green trees would be fine for a park or the grounds of some stately home where they would be kept well-trimmed.
Title: Re: Poppingham - a Table-Top Railway in British 'N' Gauge
Post by: Train Waiting on September 24, 2018, 07:39:11 PM
Autumn 1969

Hello Chums

That excellent photograph that Brian @Mito (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3659)  posted, showing the EE 'Type 3' in service in Somerset, made me think.  I got in the car and drove down to the diesel depot to tell Mr Stephenson that the failed 'Type 3' was back in service.  As I entered the depot, Mr Stephenson shouted across from the cab of a filthy 'Type 2', "Howay, Bonnie Lad!  Neville an' me are gannin doon tae clear the last engine oot o' the goods yard.  Dae ye' want to jine us?"  I hurried over and climbed into the cab of the blue diesel and we set off.

I have known Mr Stephenson and Neville Hill ever since I can remember.  They were both familiar faces around Poppingham station and both sometimes came to lunch or afternoon tea.  Today, their normal cheery conversation was gloomy as it is rumoured that the line will be closed by Christmas.  The railway is now single track on the former Up line with a 25mph speed limit.  After a while we got to the goods yard and Mr Stephenson used the Annet's Key to unlock the ground frame controlling the entrance points to the yard.  The signal box is now closed and all the signals have been removed.

We met a couple of the enthusiastic preservationists who had the beautiful crimson lake 'Princess Coronation' 'pacific' prepared for its journey.  They were to ride on the footplate to make sure all was well.  Soon the diesel had coupled on, the brake test was done and Neville slowly eased the short train out of the yard.  I had clambered onto a wall to get take a photograph from a higher viewpoint and this is the result:-.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/69/6222-240918192355.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=69402)

Neville stopped the train to allow Mr Stephenson to lock the ground frame and for me to climb back on the locomotive and then we set off on our way.

***

Please forgive our correspondent for the lack of details regarding the steam locomotive.  This is because, at that time, No. 6233  Duchess of Sutherland was safely out of the way at Butlin's holiday camp in Heads of Ayr, where she was visible from the road.  My late father