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Title: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Railwaygun on December 13, 2016, 12:08:50 AM
https://www.facebook.com/ngaugeinsteam/?ref=ts&fref= (https://www.facebook.com/ngaugeinsteam/?ref=ts&fref=)
 :thankyousign:
N'Gauge in Steam intend to commission the GNR N2 class locomotive for the N gauge market.
This locomotive was designed by Sir Nigel Gresley and entered service in 1920. It is a 0-6-2t and was operated by the GNR, LNER and British Railways. They were designed for suburban passenger services, and could be seen operating out of London Kings cross, as well as Glasgow and Edinburgh. N'Gauge in Steam intend to produce this locomotive in 5 liveries dependent upon interest. Only one locomotive of this class survived into preservation, and is owned by the Gresley Society and based at the Great Central Railway. This locomotive is currently painted in GNR Green, and carries the running number 1744.
Specification:
Fully detailed body
DCC 6 pin decoder ready
All wheel drive
All wheel pickup
NEM couplings
Livery Options:
NR green, no 1744 as preserved at the GNR.
LNER green.
LNER lined black.
LNER plain black
BR lined black.
Pricing: (anticipated)
DCC Ready - 85*
DCC Fitted - 105*
*Prices may be subject to change as the project moves forward, this will always be communicated to you.
Title: Re: GNR A2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Newportnobby on December 13, 2016, 12:06:22 PM
@Railwaygun (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=941)
You might want to change the title of your thread to N2 as, if it's an A2, there are some wheels missing ;)
Not a loco for me (although I like them) but it's good to see another player in N.
Title: Re: GNR A2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: zopadooper on December 13, 2016, 12:25:30 PM
Being a Luddite that doesn't do facebook, how to express an interest?
Title: Re: GNR A2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: austinbob on December 13, 2016, 12:29:58 PM
Being a Luddite that doesn't do facebook, how to express an interest?
Likewise  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: GNR A2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Smiffy on December 13, 2016, 12:48:10 PM
Hi,

Who are you thinking of using to produce the model or all in-house?

Best regards

Iain
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Snowwolflair on December 13, 2016, 01:03:19 PM
The Facebook page has no obvious place to express interest.
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Portpatrick on December 13, 2016, 01:57:51 PM
I noticed the lack of an obvious place to "vote".  But I will certainly be wanting a BR Black one.
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Railwaygun on December 13, 2016, 03:58:47 PM
I posted this for info only

latest FB posts:

N'Gauge in Steam Hi Nick (not me!), we are just awaiting agreement on royalties before we push forward, and start opening orders. Thanks
30 November at 15:2

today

It would be worth starting a regular thread detailing progress on the N gauge forum??

N'Gauge in Steam Thanks Nicholas. I will be doing updates etc as soon as i can
Like Reply 5 hours ago

I am not associated with the project in any way.

NickR
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Shiney Sheff on December 17, 2016, 04:32:10 PM
Would love one if I knew how to go about it......
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: mokjumbo on December 17, 2016, 05:20:34 PM
Would love one if I knew how to go about it......
what he said.
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: N-Gauge-US on December 18, 2016, 10:55:09 PM
From what I understand, he intends to do a website and have a space for expressions of interest and preorders, but doesn't want to set it up until the above mentioned royalties question is settled. He has said he will post about it here as soon as he has that sorted, but doesn't want to start taking money or making promises until things are in stone. Quite sensible, I think. Hopefully he will have some information for us soon and a website, but since things are still in the design stage, I don't think we should hold our breath for a 2017 release. Experience has shown us these projects take time to do right (even NGS rtr rolling stock can take a while; there are a lot of steps!).

I look forward to learning more (as I'm sure we all do!)

Philip
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: hiffano on December 19, 2016, 10:41:16 AM
Hi all,
Thanks for the posts and discussions on here. There are quite a lot of forums to try and get round, so thans NIck for giving me a nudge

As stated, I will be opening a website for expressions of interest, pre orders (early payment discount)m and to update general info as we go along.

Aside form the funding (which will come from you guys), everything is pretty much in place. I'm sure you will appreciate that Christmas is not the best time to try and get things done, as businesses wind down, organisations take a break etc.

At the moment, I am awaiting final agreement from the Gresley society with respect to access for 3D scans, and their input on the model. As the owners of the only N2 in preservation, these guys can offer drawings, the loco itself, and tech expertise.

Things are looking fine, we just need to await the next meeting where they will "hopefully" accept the royalties on offer. They have been positive and helpful so far, and I very much expect that to continue.
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Paddy on December 19, 2016, 12:39:41 PM
Very interested in a BR Black N2 - just like Hornby Dublo although apparently one should not call their effort an N2.  :D

Paddy
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: DCCDave on December 19, 2016, 01:14:39 PM
I'd be interested in a BR Black one too.

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Ollie3440 on December 19, 2016, 05:55:53 PM
I'll certainly have one in preserved livery!

Cheers

Ollie
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Railwaygun on December 19, 2016, 06:14:11 PM
Hi all,
Thanks for the posts and discussions on here. There are quite a lot of forums to try and get round, so thans NIck for giving me a nudge

As stated, I will be opening a website for expressions of interest, pre orders (early payment discount)m and to update general info as we go along.

Aside form the funding (which will come from you guys), everything is pretty much in place. I'm sure you will appreciate that Christmas is not the best time to try and get things done, as businesses wind down, organisations take a break etc.

At the moment, I am awaiting final agreement from the Gresley society with respect to access for 3D scans, and their input on the model. As the owners of the only N2 in preservation, these guys can offer drawings, the loco itself, and tech expertise.

Things are looking fine, we just need to await the next meeting where they will "hopefully" accept the royalties on offer. They have been positive and helpful so far, and I very much expect that to continue.


there are 5000 potential customers here! Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: portland-docks on December 19, 2016, 07:40:01 PM
if you need photos of the locomotive from above, i can provide my service for that, but otherwise im interested in one in the current GNR green livery!

paul
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Roy L S on December 19, 2016, 10:47:08 PM
I will pledge as soon as I get notice that the Website is live but I would suggest that BR late crest is added - that will definitely mean two locos from me and I suspect I am not alone!

Regards

Roy
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: N-Gauge-US on December 19, 2016, 10:50:27 PM
 I'll be getting a GNR one but I may spring for a LNER version too (depending on how broke I am at the time!).

Philip
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: RichardBattersby on December 25, 2016, 10:42:43 PM
I'll be getting a GNR one but I may spring for a LNER version too (depending on how broke I am at the time!).

Philip

I'll be in the same boat. Preserved GNR for me and LNER too if spare cash!
Very pleased that this may happen!

I've read the FB page, is the Quadart book set now off the table? I'd have been very interested.
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: hiffano on December 26, 2016, 09:30:16 AM
Not 100 % off the table, we are just trying to establish contact with the owners for a 3D scan, and confirm pricing. Everything has slowed right down for xmas, and our contact for the manufacturer has been in China, so not had much time to discuss.
I would certainly like to push ahead with the quadarts even if it is at a later date.
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: RichardBattersby on December 26, 2016, 09:45:57 AM
Yes please! Very excited by this!
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: RichardBattersby on December 26, 2016, 09:54:41 AM
Then a B12 commisioned from Farish?  :D
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: hiffano on February 02, 2017, 04:35:03 PM
So, today, some pretty cool Line drawings of the N2 have been sent to the manufacturers for a more definitive Tooling and production Quote. I'm hoping to be able to do the same with the Quadarts once I can obtain the drawings.
There is a meeting towards the end of this month to ratify the agreement to access the Locomotive for scans, and get some technical overview to make sure the detail is as good as it can be. I know I know, people want to officially note interest, order, give money etc, but until I am 100% it is nailed on, that is on hold!. We are 99% of the way there though.
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: RichardBattersby on February 02, 2017, 05:00:32 PM
Excellent news! Thank you! :D
Can't wait.
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: N-Gauge-US on February 02, 2017, 05:12:11 PM
Yay! Thanks for the update :)
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Hailstone on February 03, 2017, 01:25:09 PM
Then a B12 commisioned from Farish?  :D

What's wrong with the Union Mills one?

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Newportnobby on February 03, 2017, 01:35:56 PM
Again - not a model for me but I wish it every success, especially if it's followed by a 56xx :D
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: hiffano on February 03, 2017, 01:50:39 PM
we d have a list od possible future models if this on is successful. may well open it to a vote at some point
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Portpatrick on February 03, 2017, 01:58:27 PM
I'm starting to drool at these recent reports.  OK I am only in for a BR Black - a surprise visitor to Portpatrick Town!! - but great that things are moving.  Did quadarts run in the Glasgow area?  If so, more money needed.
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: hiffano on February 03, 2017, 02:06:50 PM
My understanding is that they did get up to the borders but not 100% on Glasgow. I will be doing some more reserch on this if we can make them and maybe do a map to help modelers out
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: BrakeCoach on February 12, 2017, 10:34:37 AM
It would be nice if it is in late BR black.
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: longbow on February 12, 2017, 12:02:04 PM
May we know please who is behind this project and what relevant experience they have.
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: martyn on March 03, 2017, 06:30:44 PM
Then a B12 commisioned from Farish?  :D

What's wrong with the Union Mills one?

Regards,

Alex

The Union Mills Engine is close to scale. Tender drive is well oversize............but who's complaining?
Martyn
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: hiffano on March 03, 2017, 06:40:43 PM
May we know please who is behind this project and what relevant experience they have.

Sorry mate, missed your post. I personally have no experience in manufacturing a model locomotive, which is why I am merely a project manager, and experienced people will be involved in the process.
I spend mush of my time mooching around emailing and ringing people for information, and arranging access for scans for when we are good to go. sorting out pricing, commission for other people involved etc.

Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: hiffano on March 08, 2017, 02:00:35 PM
It's all very quiet isn't it. It's amazing how much time I seem to spend just waiting for information from people. This time it's waiting for the factory to give better quotes for both N and OO gauge models of the N2 and Quadart Coaches. I would expect they will be reasonably close to the original for the N2 in N, but with the pounds woes, and China getting more and more expensive. . . (hence why we've supplied drawings and asked for new pricing). Given the issues with China, which UK manufacturer will take the plunge and open it's own UK factory? is it even Viable to do so?
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Sprintex on March 08, 2017, 03:14:14 PM
Given the issues with China, which UK manufacturer will take the plunge and open it's own UK factory? is it even Viable to do so?

Without going down the same route of the numerous threads on this topic AGAIN, the simple answer is no not yet ;)


Paul
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Newportnobby on March 08, 2017, 03:18:35 PM
Given the issues with China, which UK manufacturer will take the plunge and open it's own UK factory? is it even Viable to do so?

As said, that's been done to death elsewhere on the forum.
Do we have a UK manufacturer? Maybe only Union Mills.
Apart from the lack of detailing on a level with Farish/Dapol perhaps Colin Heard is your best chance of bringing this to fruition :hmmm:
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: hiffano on March 08, 2017, 06:06:58 PM
fair play, was general musings. In terms of "uk manufacturer" despite foreign ownership, I would still class farish as UK for the purposes of the RTR market here, and Dapol are certainly a uk owned company, but of course both companies do manufacture elsewhere.
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Newportnobby on March 08, 2017, 08:14:49 PM
Farish was purchased by Kader Industries in 2001 so is, strictly speaking, not an English company unlike Dapol.
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: martyn on November 02, 2017, 01:08:24 PM
Any updates or news?

Martyn
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: hiffano on November 02, 2017, 08:59:25 PM
Hey Martyn, sorry there has been no update, real life kicked me in the knackers, I had a major case at work, still ongoing, lost a close relative, and had surgery. As we weren't at a stage where money was being taken I'd put on hold. Also had a couple of cryptic messages about a major manufacturer doing the N2, so was waiting to see how that panned out. Let me get back on this now, and see where we can go with it. Cheers
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Garyf on July 12, 2018, 12:08:26 PM
Hi, has there been any progress the GNR N2 is exactly what I'm looking for my layout that I'm just staring.

Gary
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: NGS-PO on July 12, 2018, 12:15:55 PM
Unfortunately not. This is the reply to a similar question i posed on the project's Facebook page: (all typos are the original authors)

"UPDATE April 2018. Ok so here is the deal. The project has a few issues
1) The Fall of the pound, this makes things more expensive when sourced from abroad, sadly due to the wholesale move of UK manufacturers to chinese plant's, there are no viable UK manufacturing facilities. so, prices will go up... just look at th latest Farish prices!
2) Real Life. I've changed job and have less free time. Downside to being a one man band. I don't have the luxury of being able to call on others
3) Lot's of negativity and abuse, yes really... yu try to do something nice and , well, lets just say some people need a slap off their mothers. I'm pretty thick sinned but it has made me wonder why bother
4) with the exception of the Pendolino, and probably the class 92, crowdfunded models to date have been a mxed bag, even revolution who set the ball rolling have canned a couple of projects, and we see Dapol cutting back too. It's not the best time for N Gauge I don't think

However despu
ite that, I would still like to push on, maybe have a sit down and reset expectations and look at the best options available"
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: Portpatrick on July 12, 2018, 12:35:58 PM
Fair enough.  Thank you for being so informative.
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: njee20 on July 12, 2018, 12:59:00 PM
My 0.02...

1) GPB/USD exchange rate on 13/12/16 when this was announced: 1.26589
GPB/USD exchange rate today: 1.32068

GPB/CNY exchange rate on 13/12/16 8.65999
GPB/CNY exchange rate today: 8.82440

I get that exchange rates have fallen in the past few years, but how long will this be an excuse!?

2) fair enough

3) there's been a lot of opacity on this which is weird, lots of "there are people doing things" which folk don't like. Who? Why not be upfront? Hardly likely that someone's going to jump in and try and undercut you

4) a bit pessimistic, one or two have failed to reach required thresholds, and DJM had to refund a load of people on one, but there are a few real successes at various stages of gestation
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: emjaybee on July 12, 2018, 02:47:13 PM
This thread had passed me by, for whatever reason, but I could be tempted by a N2 in much the same way as I am tempted by a J94.

I agree with a previous post though. If you want support for a crowdfunding project then supporters want clarity. They want to know what stage progress is at and how long, in reality, things are going to take. Revolution have mastered the information aspect perfectly as have the NGS with the Hunslet project. These projects haven't been any quicker than other projects, but they've had very little in the way of flak as theyve kept customers informed. Other attempts by other people have attracted huge amounts of flak because people have had no idea of where projects are at or even if the project is still alive.

Hears hoping it can progress.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: GNR N2. Via crowdfunding
Post by: hiffano on July 13, 2018, 04:51:27 PM
Hey guys thanks for posting

I do apologise for my recent lack of well, anything. I did change job, and my Daughter signed for Liverpool FC, and time is at a real premium. When it settles down I fully intend to return to this.

In relation to some of the comments, and I apologise if i miss some

1) Exchange rates. so... these have been up and down a lot, at some stages this has made the project nonviable, and at others it's "ok" again. It's not just the actual exchange rate, it's those chaps in China putting costs up as they realise they can make more money, pay people more, improve living standards and whatnot. This is a common theme across this hobby as we see annual rises from the big boys, some of which can be quite eye watering. This was never really an "excuse" just a statement of fact at that moment in time.

2) I have not said whom I would be working with, as while everything was discussed, pricing set etc, no formal agreement was signed, and as that manufacturer has been cancelling or delaying models, to announce they are involved in this could have caused them some trouble, especially with nothing signed between us. For information, there is a backup option, though said company does not produce N gauge in the UK at this time... they do make some rather nice models however for other markets.

3) People undercutting . . I am aware that at least one, possibly two manufacturers have had the N2 on the discussion lists in house. Neither of those companies was actually willing to quote a commission at the time I asked, although I think one of them at least would probably be more willing too if the process started again. This was always at the back of my mind however. If we started this, started bringing money in, and then it was announced it would have been a bit awkward. Look what happened when both Revolution and DJM announced an N gauge 92.... (I ordered one off each btw)


I will be the first to hold my hands up and say the whole thing can be quite daunting, as mentioned Revolution have done a fab job to date and I would love to see more companies come along and have a go. Ben and Mike seem to have a great relationship with Rapido, and I certainly envied that as I tried to get going.

There is some interest in an N2, of that there is no doubt Is there enough for a minimum manufacturers run? That is of course the big question.

Guys, I am happy to talk, happy for you to message me and I promise I will get back on the case and will let you know all the details before I even think of asking for money!


thanks


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