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Title: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Tank on November 26, 2016, 10:57:20 AM
Revolution is proposing the HOA hopper wagon as its next model in N.

These hoppers are a logical follow on from our well-received TEA tanker wagons as they have the same bogies.

The models will be produced by Rapido Trains and permissions have been granted for all liveries.

They were introduced in 2006 for EWS Construction, and nearly 200 are now in service between quarries in the North East, the Midlands and the South West to locations across the county.  They have also been used on Anglo Scottish sand flows.

These wagons were also chosen because, as well as running in block trains on their own, they are often seen in trains with other hopper wagons such as the two types of JGA wagon offered by Bachmann and as a kit by the N Gauge Society.

The liveries proposed by Revolution are:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/2-261116104701.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45703)
EWS Construction - this is the original delivery and still in service today.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/2-261116104759.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45705)
Cemex blue - shortly after their introduction many were given these colours to commemorate a major customer.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/2-261116104902.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45706)
DB red - some wagons have now received the current corporate colours.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/2-261116105000.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45707)
Ermewa/Tarmac - a large batch were recently built for wagon lessor Ermewa and are in use on Tarmac traffic from quarries in the Midlands to south east England.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/2-261116105050.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=45708)
VTG/Mendip Rail - these wagons were recently introduced between the Mendip quarries in Somerset and destinations across Southern England.

The guide price for these models is £30, or in different numbered triple packs for £90, and they will feature similar levels of detailing and packaging to the TEA tankers.   At this time we are seeking expressions of interest only, and no money is needed.

Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: StufromEGDL on November 26, 2016, 11:13:12 AM
Hi Gang,

Looks like another winning choice....most people will take up multiple purchases to create a decent length train....
Now I wonder which liveries to choose....and how many???

Good luck with the expressions of interest.

Later,
Stu from EGDL.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: alibuchan on November 26, 2016, 11:17:25 AM
I might have to arrange for a train of those.

But which ones is the question!

Good choice of wagon, which will sell well. Plus no new toolings for bogies which is a logical step.

Alistair
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: MacRat on November 26, 2016, 11:25:06 AM
Ah cool.

prototype pictures:
http://tomcurtisrailgallery.weebly.com/uploads/6/9/0/3/6903499/591036a97mereheadcolnbrookclink1848310816.jpg (http://tomcurtisrailgallery.weebly.com/uploads/6/9/0/3/6903499/591036a97mereheadcolnbrookclink1848310816.jpg)
http://tomcurtisrailgallery.weebly.com/uploads/6/9/0/3/6903499/590027c741535thelemereheadnrwhoasberkley1821230916.jpg (http://tomcurtisrailgallery.weebly.com/uploads/6/9/0/3/6903499/590027c741535thelemereheadnrwhoasberkley1821230916.jpg)
Found on this site: http://tomcurtisrailgallery.weebly.com/august-2016.html (http://tomcurtisrailgallery.weebly.com/august-2016.html)

Edit to add the link to the RevolutioN news: http://www.revolutiontrains.com/stone-hopper-next-revolution/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/stone-hopper-next-revolution/)

Now, what will be with us first, these HOA or the class 59
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Buzzard on November 26, 2016, 12:07:07 PM
Nice.

Here's a link to a site that gives more prototype data, especially dates of introduction and changes of livery which will help us to decide what to order (ahem, make an expression of interest ;) ).

http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_058.php (http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_058.php)
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: KiraKat on November 26, 2016, 03:42:32 PM
Colour me interested ^^
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Les1952 on November 26, 2016, 03:55:00 PM
Far too modern for me I'm afraid (by at least 40 years?)

now, if a few more of you would order those nice 4-wheel tankers I might stand a chance of getting my four......

Les
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Mustermark on November 26, 2016, 03:57:54 PM
Looks like I will be changing to modern Reading circa 2006. I might need a rake of EWS ones.

Any chance of an option to buy a realistic removable stone load?
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Les1952 on November 26, 2016, 04:01:33 PM
Looks like I will be changing to modern Reading circa 2006. I might need a rake of EWS ones.

Any chance of an option to buy a realistic removable stone load?

You might have some luck talking to Ten Commandments...

Les
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: jpendle on November 26, 2016, 04:24:57 PM
Had a quick look on the website, where do we express our interest?

I'll probably buy a large rake.

BTW good choice, but not as good as a modern car carrier.

I'll go back into my cupboard now.

John P
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: VoyagerBen on November 26, 2016, 05:17:19 PM
This is fantastic news!!!

I want to model the "Peak Forest Cemex Sdgs to Leeds Stourton Rmc" service, so the HOA's will go very well with the Farish RMC JGA's I have recently acquired!!!

Now I need to figure out the numbers for each of the liveries I am interested in (EWS, Cemex & DB Schenker).

Thanks Revolution Trains, I will place my expression of interest as soon as it goes live on your website!

Regards,
Ben.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: woodbury22uk on November 26, 2016, 06:29:01 PM
Another good choice for a modern wagon nut like me. I'll be in for a meaningful rake of Mendip Rail/VTG ones at least.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Flounder on November 26, 2016, 07:05:26 PM
Brilliant choice! 

Lots of pondering ahead in terms of my livery choice(s!).

Good luck with the project.   :beers:

Cheers,
Flounder.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: JBQFC on November 26, 2016, 08:02:01 PM
oh i think i will some EWS cemex and DB ones as these run in mixed rakes

a great choice of wagon

john
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Cooper on November 26, 2016, 08:33:04 PM
I need some of these to make up a full rake with JGAs on Lofthole and Deansmoor. Nice choice!
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: geoffc on November 26, 2016, 09:01:59 PM
Any chance of weathered EWS to go with nice shiney DBS ones so that I can run both in one rake? Shiney EWS and DBS wont look right together.

Geoff
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: RailGooner on November 26, 2016, 11:08:50 PM
Definitely in for 4 VTG/Mendip Rail. Trying (hoping) to justify a few EWS Construction and DB Schenker too. The triple pack of the latter sounds particularly attractive.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Pete @ EGLM on November 27, 2016, 12:11:05 AM
Im going to get my salary paid to Revolution trains each month......it'll be easier that way!
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: kiwi1941 on November 27, 2016, 12:52:14 AM
A nice choice. Will anyone try to produce one of those 'wagon maps' that were prepared for the tank wagon? Brian
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on November 27, 2016, 01:03:39 AM

Hello Brian,

Yes, but these wagons are so widely travelled it's proving problematic.  Not in terms of the origins and destinations, but in terms of which routes they take between them.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: jpendle on November 27, 2016, 03:35:08 AM
I was thinking some consists, maybe with the originating quarry.
I've been looking at pics of Peak Forest but they mainly focus on the loco's not the wagons.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: kiwi1941 on November 27, 2016, 03:56:28 AM

Hello Brian, ... these wagons are so widely travelled it's proving problematic.

As long as someone can prove that they travelled over the S&C I'm in!! Brian
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Stuart7358 on November 27, 2016, 08:23:37 AM
Morning all,

Question for those that know - I realise they run in block trains (sometimes with other wagon types) but how many wagons would make up a train, i.e. shortest length train upto the longest?

As I am sure Revolution know, but for those that don't, there are pdf maps etc. on network rail site of terminals etc. This may allow you to get some idea of routes until a map is done on Revolution trains site. Can't post link as on phone but Google hoa aggregate train and scroll down.

Thanks

Stuart
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: RailGooner on November 27, 2016, 12:41:16 PM
.. Will anyone try to produce one of those 'wagon maps' that were prepared for the tank wagon? Brian

I hope so. The map produced for the TEAs helped me to commit to a larger order than I otherwise might have. Sure I could do the work of researching which liveries would fit with my geographical area of interest. But not on a maybe, if a model is a certainty for production then yes I'll put my time into researching it. Cruel but true. Once confirmed, I might have missed early-bird pricing and that might limit the size of my order.

So Ben and Mike, I see these maps as an essential part of your marketing arsenal. Maps will help me (and others I'm sure) to commit earlier and commit to larger numbers than I (we) otherwise might.

I hope I've managed to convey the supportive tone that I intended here. I will definitely be supporting this model.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Buzzard on November 27, 2016, 01:57:53 PM
As I am sure Revolution know, but for those that don't, there are pdf maps etc. on network rail site of terminals etc.

Here's a link to that site

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/10520.aspx (http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/10520.aspx)

The documents relating to aggregates are the ones sized 565kb and 115kb, map and table respectively.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Mustermark on November 27, 2016, 02:52:51 PM
.. Will anyone try to produce one of those 'wagon maps' that were prepared for the tank wagon? Brian

I hope so. The map produced for the TEAs helped me to commit to a larger order than I otherwise might have. Sure I could do the work of researching which liveries would fit with my geographical area of interest. But not on a maybe, if a model is a certainty for production then yes I'll put my time into researching it. Cruel but true. Once confirmed, I might have missed early-bird pricing and that might limit the size of my order.

So Ben and Mike, I see these maps as an essential part of your marketing arsenal. Maps will help me (and others I'm sure) to commit earlier and commit to larger numbers than I (we) otherwise might.

I hope I've managed to convey the supportive tone that I intended here. I will definitely be supporting this model.

It's funny, really, and I suspect I am not alone. The map is a great help for me because I don't have any expertise, and the idea of randomly searching Google and coming to inexpert and likely incorrect or incomplete assumptions is a daunting prospect. Better by far is to see what the experts say and then choose what fits best. In the end, knowing some facts means I can either choose to be accurate or just choose the pretty coloured livery. But it is important to know what's what before deciding. So, yes, I agree that the map and details of what liveries ran together and when is important, and all part of the fun and involvement that I think RevolutioN has brought to the process.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: njee20 on November 27, 2016, 02:57:45 PM
Not sure I can justify an entire rake of these, but looks like they run in part with the ex-RMC JGAs, of which I have a rake, so a couple seems fair!
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: RailGooner on November 28, 2016, 05:24:04 PM
Here's a link to that site...

Oh dear, if I'm reading those linked docs correctly, I might be in for some Ermewa/Tarmac liveried in addition to VTG/Mendip Rail.  :doh:
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: red_death on November 28, 2016, 05:38:28 PM
With all the excitement and preparations for Warley I haven't had time to finish the expressions of interest form, but I will try to get it up tonight (and let everyone know when done).

We've got some example train consists and will put this on our site as well.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: acko22 on November 28, 2016, 06:48:54 PM
I know a very frequent flow is between Stoke and Warrington Arpley these are mainly single wagons in a rake of wagons that have been for repair but these are then put onto services which operate around the North West
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Skyline2uk on November 28, 2016, 07:42:35 PM
With all the excitement and preparations for Warley I haven't had time to finish the expressions of interest form, but I will try to get it up tonight (and let everyone know when done).

We've got some example train consists and will put this on our site as well.

Cheers, Mike

Hi Mike

I apologise in advance if I sound like a nagging parent here, but it's a risk I take!

It struck me from our conversation at Warley that both you and Ben are working extremely hard on the Revolution product line (which has grown exponentially since I witnessed Ben running around Warley 2014 drumming up interest for the Pendo).

Both of you do this in your own time and in addition to jobs, so I think nobody should begrudge you taking a small bit of time after Warley to get the next form up on the website!

All the best

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on November 28, 2016, 07:59:38 PM

Hi Buzzard/Stuart,

Thanks very much for those links - very useful.

I am going to sit in a dark room for a few days after Warley but then I will get a map together, but with the caveat that it will probably not claim to be exhaustive!

To be fair we have only just opened expressions of interest and are not yet taking orders, so there is a bit of time now to get this sorted!

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Graham on November 29, 2016, 08:21:37 AM
Looking forward to being able to add my support to this project, will be in for a few.

cheers
Graham
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: red_death on November 29, 2016, 01:19:28 PM
The expressions of interest form is now live: http://www.revolutiontrains.com/hoa-aggregates-hopper-wagon/hoa-expressions-interest/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/hoa-aggregates-hopper-wagon/hoa-expressions-interest/)

If you have any problems with it not viewing correctly on a mobile device you can try going direct to the form here: https://goo.gl/forms/yb62PfN5R2ksrbvq1 (https://goo.gl/forms/yb62PfN5R2ksrbvq1)

Please make sure you go to the end of the survey to submit your expression of interest.

Any problems please let me know!

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: alibuchan on November 29, 2016, 01:26:37 PM
All done for you Mike.

Alistair
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: RailGooner on November 29, 2016, 01:27:17 PM
Expressed interest in only those items I'm certain of buying: VTG/Mendip Rail Single, Triple pack A, and Triple pack B.

I'm really impressed to see 2x triple packs per livery!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: red_death on November 29, 2016, 02:20:38 PM
Thanks guys.

As long as people are reasonably realistic about what they are interested in then it doesn't matter (across several thousand wagons) whether individual expressions of interest are definite purchases or not.

As the note says - the second set of numbers will only go ahead if expressions of interest justify it.  For the majority of the TEA liveries we would not have been able to justify more than one triple pack (possibly only EWS triples could have had two).

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: njee20 on November 29, 2016, 04:25:23 PM
Done! Fingers crossed for you gents, but seems a decent choice.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: woodbury22uk on November 29, 2016, 06:09:18 PM
Job done for 1 single and 3 triples. Hope we get enough support for this one.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: CaleyDave on November 29, 2016, 07:39:13 PM
Given the quality of the Tea's I will definitely be in for one or two. Interest given.

Interested to see what information you have on the Anglo-Scottish Sand flow.
The rule one in me is picturing a speedlink service comprising of a DB 92 with Irvine Paper mill bound China Clay tanks and a few DB NOA's for the Irvine glass works tagged on the end for the layout!

Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: NewbieN on November 29, 2016, 07:46:08 PM
Agree with the above sentiments, the TEA tankers are superb and I have added my interest and completed the form. Looking forward to seeing this progressing. Many thanks for all your hard work, top job!
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Busybee on November 29, 2016, 07:50:35 PM
In for 3 triples and a single.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Mustermark on November 29, 2016, 10:20:39 PM
I just voted for a full set of EWS... two triples and a single.

It's a short rake, but it'll make a nice change from watching all those TEAs going round  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: red_death on November 29, 2016, 10:31:12 PM
Given the quality of the Tea's I will definitely be in for one or two. Interest given.

Interested to see what information you have on the Anglo-Scottish Sand flow.
The rule one in me is picturing a speedlink service comprising of a DB 92 with Irvine Paper mill bound China Clay tanks and a few DB NOA's for the Irvine glass works tagged on the end for the layout!

From what we have found so far it was a relatively short lived flow from Middleton Towers to Ayr Harbour of sand - 12-14 EWS HOAs 6S88 (with 66044 on the front).

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Smiffy on November 30, 2016, 11:41:45 AM
Expression' in all options for EWS & DBS plus 1 CEMEX which I'll probably up as looks a simple option to de-brand

Must be nuts  :laugh3:

Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Mirrlees on December 01, 2016, 10:11:31 PM
Hi Gang,

Looks like another winning choice....most people will take up multiple purchases to create a decent length train....
Now I wonder which liveries to choose....and how many???

Good luck with the expressions of interest.

Later,
Stu from EGDL.

Knowing you Stu, all 20 of each livery!

 :claphappy:
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: MacRat on December 03, 2016, 11:07:52 AM
Now, I'm waiting for the map and example rake, too, but wanted to see prototype rakes _now_. Flickr revealed very colourfull rakes consisting of orange RMC JGAs (Farish or NGS), [debranded] Cemex and EWS construction.

60035 6M17 2007: https://flic.kr/p/p2gqpU
60059 Australia Farm, March 21/07/08: https://flic.kr/p/9rPd8N
66198 Uffington 13/11/13: https://flic.kr/p/hvyS6a
60044 Tupton 6H10 Bletchley to Peak Forest 23.05.2014: https://flic.kr/p/ntPx5a
66126 North Staffs Jn, Washwood Heath RMC - Peak Forest 2012: https://flic.kr/p/cmGaPJ
66162 Whatley Quarry to Hothfield Sidings 6Z20 2014: https://flic.kr/p/pb1eFJ
59203 Whatley to Hothfield 6Z20 via Beckenham Junction 2014: https://flic.kr/p/oomvAP
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: pape_timmo on December 03, 2016, 11:42:27 AM
The only wagons I haven't seen yet in the Thames Valley area are the new Tarmac ones, all the others run regularly (i.e. All the time) on services from Merehead, Whatley and Westbury to Acton, Hayes, St Pancras, Dagenham Dock, Crawley. There's also a service from Acton to Theale, and one to Brentford Day Aggregates too I think.

They run mixed with other hopper types and also with open bogie boxes too, as shown in my video here.

https://youtu.be/LenXJe46uHs

I'll upload more to my YouTube site as soon as I get chance.

Cheers, Timmo
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: RailGooner on December 03, 2016, 12:57:42 PM
Now, I'm waiting for the map and example rake, too, but wanted to see prototype rakes _now_. Flickr revealed very colourfull rakes consisting of orange RMC JGAs (Farish or NGS), [debranded] Cemex and EWS construction. ...

Colourful indeed. I think I'm going to end up with a much larger and varied order than I originally envisaged. Beginning to see how very varied HOA inclusive consists can be.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Mustermark on December 03, 2016, 05:16:37 PM
Now, I'm waiting for the map and example rake, too, but wanted to see prototype rakes _now_. Flickr revealed very colourfull rakes consisting of orange RMC JGAs (Farish or NGS), [debranded] Cemex and EWS construction.

60035 6M17 2007: https://flic.kr/p/p2gqpU
60059 Australia Farm, March 21/07/08: https://flic.kr/p/9rPd8N
66198 Uffington 13/11/13: https://flic.kr/p/hvyS6a
60044 Tupton 6H10 Bletchley to Peak Forest 23.05.2014: https://flic.kr/p/ntPx5a
66126 North Staffs Jn, Washwood Heath RMC - Peak Forest 2012: https://flic.kr/p/cmGaPJ
66162 Whatley Quarry to Hothfield Sidings 6Z20 2014: https://flic.kr/p/pb1eFJ
59203 Whatley to Hothfield 6Z20 via Beckenham Junction 2014: https://flic.kr/p/oomvAP

Well that means I have had to express interest in some Cemex ones and will be looking out for a couple of RMC JGAs.  :doh: :confused1: :worried: ::)
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: njee20 on December 03, 2016, 05:29:48 PM
I've got 14 RMC ones I've never even removed from their boxes  :-[

May have to get some of the NGS ones for a bit more variety!
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on December 03, 2016, 10:58:11 PM

Hello all,

I have added a route map and some sample consists to our website on the news pages at www.revolutiontrains.com/news (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/news)

The map doesn't claim to be exhaustive (as the new VTG and Tarmac wagons seem to be introduced almost weekly onto new flows) but should show the main traffic, quarries and terminals served over the last decade.

The sample consists PDF also illustrates how these models complement existing hoppers by Farish and the NGS - it is one of the reasons we selected them.

Here is an excerpt:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/94-031216225700.jpeg)

Response to this model so far has been very encouraging, but of course the sooner we reach our minimum order level the sooner we can start proper work!

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Mustermark on December 04, 2016, 12:45:51 AM
Thanks Ben.
It looks like the 6B35 Hayes/Moreton-on-Lugg is a longstanding route and I found pics with 66 and EWS/Cemex wagons going back to at least 2009 (my chosen modern timeframe is 2006-9) and it runs through Reading.
Looks like that will be the working for me.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: njee20 on December 04, 2016, 09:12:11 AM
Interesting they're obviously repurposing the HTAs for stone use, judging by that bottom flow.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on December 04, 2016, 09:36:41 AM
Interesting they're obviously repurposing the HTAs for stone use, judging by that bottom flow.

Yes, since the huge downturn in coal traffic, and corresponding upturn in demands from the aggregate sectors, DB has been looking for alternate uses for the HTA hoppers.

The problem is, as aggregate hoppers the HTAs are great coal wagons!!  Coal is relatively light, so you can fill a big wagon and still not overload it.  Stone is a lot heavier, so you hit the maximum axle loading well before the wagon is full.

This is why, generally, aggregate hoppers with the same GLW are considerably shorter.

And using HTAs means two things:  First, operators need to be careful not to overload them and secondly the trains are significantly longer.  I don't think this is an issue for passing loop lengths on the mainline, which are usually designed for much longer intermodal trains (I suspect that even a 60 might struggle to pull a stone train that long) but can be an issue for the sidings and unloading equipment at some terminals.

I'd be very interested in any better knowledge from forum members who work in the industry though!

Incidentally, I have already spotted an error on the map - I have not shown the Cemex Peak Forest-Ely route via the MML and Peterborough.  I will amend this ASAP!

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: VoyagerBen on December 04, 2016, 09:42:34 AM
Interesting they're obviously repurposing the HTAs for stone use, judging by that bottom flow.

The "Peak Forest Cemex Sdgs to Leeds Stourton Rmc" service used to consist of CEMEX and EWS HOA wagons, with some RMC JGAs. Now it consists of entirely EWS HTAs and has done for a couple of years. Nevertheless on my layout I am going to run it as the former.

Regards
Ben.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: pape_timmo on December 04, 2016, 12:32:27 PM
Hi folks,

I've uploaded a couple more videos here...

https://youtu.be/1XizsEl54SE

https://youtu.be/IFf7CzfhThg

Hope these are useful.

There's also a service that runs from Avonmouth to West Drayton ARC too that uses HOAs amongst other hoppers too.

Cheers, Timmo
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: njee20 on December 04, 2016, 01:06:10 PM
It was the weight difference between the materials that intrigued me. That said, I know they've started reusing ex-National Power JMAs on stone trains, some now branded as HKAs in DBS red IIRC.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: MacRat on December 04, 2016, 02:40:57 PM
[PSA] Dove Holes is Peak Forrest on the revolution map



and I kept looking and looking and looking ...   :read:
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on December 04, 2016, 03:25:21 PM

Hello all,

Tim - thanks for the videos.  Very interesting.  I could not find any photographic evidence of the new HOAs on the Avonmouth flow but as you have observed them I have added it to the map.

Macrat - I have changed the name to Peak Forest, thanks for spotting that.  Dove Holes is the name of the quarry there but the railhead location is known as Peak Forest, and it makes sense to call it that to ensure clarity.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Kaian on December 04, 2016, 05:06:50 PM
If I had the link to edit I would add a few tarmac and cemex. I went mostly for db ones thinking they are updated branding for ews construction
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: geoffc on December 04, 2016, 05:21:36 PM
It was the weight difference between the materials that intrigued me. That said, I know they've started reusing ex-National Power JMAs on stone trains, some now branded as HKAs in DBS red IIRC.

According to my notes they are now JKA's

Geoff
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on December 04, 2016, 08:56:50 PM
If I had the link to edit I would add a few tarmac and cemex. I went mostly for db ones thinking they are updated branding for ews construction

Hi Kaian,

I wouldn't worry - at this stage it's just the raw numbers that count.  If (as looks likely) we get to the required level of interest then when we actually open the model up for proper ordering you can decide exactly what you want.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: njee20 on December 04, 2016, 09:24:09 PM
It was the weight difference between the materials that intrigued me. That said, I know they've started reusing ex-National Power JMAs on stone trains, some now branded as HKAs in DBS red IIRC.

According to my notes they are now JKA's

Geoff

You sure? It's definitely HKAs that I see on the Crawley - Wembley flow. Google doesn't know about JKAs either?

Looks like they're always operated in a block working though, rather than mixed with JHA/JGA/HOA. Interested to see some PGAs on some of the rakes too.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Pete @ EGLM on December 04, 2016, 11:42:01 PM
The ex National Power JMAs became HKAs when they had new bogies fitted.  I've just modified a load of Farish HHAs into HKAs and had to put the individual letters into the TOPS panels- so they better be HKAs!
I'll endeavour to put some photos up sometime.
Looking forward to the HOAs for the Mendip rail services.

Pete @ EGLM
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on December 04, 2016, 11:47:41 PM

Hi Pete,

I'd certainly be interested in seeing the photos of your conversions.  What livery are they in?

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: red_death on December 05, 2016, 12:32:54 AM
The JMAs were re-coded to HKA (and many were re-bogied from LTF25s to TF25s).

The Farish HHA (as Pete has done) is very similar to a TF25 bodied HKA (there are a couple of very minor differences IIRC e.g. there is an extra bodyside cut out (for a brake lever?) on the JMA/HKA compared to the HHAs).

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: njee20 on December 05, 2016, 06:53:15 AM
If HHAs didn't command such a premium these days I contemplated doing a rake, the DBS red ones are very shiny, in stark contrast to the incredibly worn out NP ones, something a bit interesting!
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: rusticged on December 21, 2016, 09:14:52 AM
 :thumbsup:
Hi Ben & Mike
Really delighted that Revolution will be doing these wagons. At last something modern to be hauled by my Class 59s.
Expression of interest completed. Can't wait to process an order.
Have a great Christmas!!
Ged
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: red_death on December 21, 2016, 11:44:23 AM
The expressions of interest for the HOA have been excellent.  In our next newsletter (due out before Christmas) we will announce that the expressions of interest will close on 31 January and we are confident that there will have been enough interest to start design and tooling.

So if you are interested in these wagons then please fill in the expression of interest form on our website by 31 January if you haven't already done so.  Expressions of interest are not binding so they don't require any commitment (or money!) from you, but they are really helpful for our planning to work out likely sales, prices and which livery/number combinations to offer (all the liveries have been popular though we might not be able to offer two different triple packs of each livery).

Cheers, mike
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: acko22 on December 28, 2016, 12:25:01 PM
Hi All,

Just one of note as I passed not sure what the place is called but there is a flow to Salford its a aggregates company (strangley enough) between salford Cresent and Central.

They are rail served and literally just gone past and there was 3 HOAs mixed in with some HTAs been off loaded, I didnt even realise that place was served by rail till now but proof in the pudding these wagons get about
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on December 28, 2016, 12:49:33 PM

Hi Gareth,

The location you spotted is Salford Hope St, and it is on the map.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: acko22 on December 28, 2016, 12:53:54 PM
Doh!!! Sorry my bad
 :dunce:
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: acko22 on December 31, 2016, 09:52:48 PM
Ok after been corrected for my glaring oversight! I have had a quick look thought the formation of the Wagons at Salford and from what I can see it may be typical of what normally goes into their (rake length wise) the formation was:

HTA / HTA / HTA / HOA (DB RED) / HTA / HTA/ HOA (EWS) / HTA / HTA/ HOA (EWS) / HTA / HTA, there was no loco with the wagons so not sure if they have been left till after the new year

Its a shorter rake but from what I would tell it seems rather compact there, if I get a chance I will have a wonder down over the coming days to get a better look and get some pics if possible
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: jpendle on December 31, 2016, 09:56:14 PM
It would be good to see how full the HTA's are. I'm guessing 2/3, but with rock being much denser than coal maybe less then that.

From memory there are no convenient overbridges near the terminal, but there are plenty of vantage points as they pass through Man Vic

Regards,

   John P
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on December 31, 2016, 10:39:39 PM

Hi all,

I was at Peak Forest a few weeks ago and there were some HTA wagons passing below the bridge.  They were certainly no more than 2/3 full - in fact I'd say nearer half full!

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: red_death on January 19, 2017, 04:20:13 PM
Hi folks

Just a quick update on the expressions of interest in the HOA.  The response has been absolutely fantastic - thank you to all of you that have expressed interest in this wagon.

As things stand we will definitely be confident in starting design and tooling.

In terms of livery options we offered the possibility of a single wagon and two different triple packs all with different numbers (if the numbers stacked up to do different numbers).  I'm pleased to say that we will definitely be able to do two different triple packs in EWS Construction and almost certainly enough interest to do the same in Cemex, DB red and VTG Mendip Rail. So the only livery we might not be able to do two different triple packs in (at the moment) is Ermewa Tarmac (and even that is possible).

The deadline for expressions of interest is 31 January 2017 - please remember this does not commit you financially (but please be realistic!).

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: woodbury22uk on January 19, 2017, 06:08:19 PM
That is really good news Mike. Looking forward to the Tarmac Ermewa and VTG Mendip Rail. The Mendip Rail orange/green/silver colour combination on a Class 59 is probably my all time favourite locomotive livery, sadly a one off IIRC carried only by 59002 "Alan J Day".

http://www.railexclusive.com/images/59002_1200.jpg (http://www.railexclusive.com/images/59002_1200.jpg)

Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Smiffy on January 20, 2017, 01:50:55 PM
Hi folks

In terms of livery options we offered the possibility of a single wagon and two different triple packs all with different numbers (if the numbers stacked up to do different numbers).  I'm pleased to say that we will definitely be able to do two different triple packs in EWS Construction and almost certainly enough interest to do the same in Cemex, DB red and VTG Mendip Rail. So the only livery we might not be able to do two different triple packs in (at the moment) is Ermewa Tarmac (and even that is possible).

Cheers, Mike

Hi Mike,

Is it too late to ask if unbranded CEMEX could be considered as an a option?

Not the end of the world if not as it looks like a simple repaint.

Best regards

Iain
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: red_death on January 20, 2017, 02:28:55 PM
Hi Iain

I'll talk to Ben about doing some unbranded Cemex ones - it shouldn't be a problem in theory (though I don't want to confuse things by amending the expressions of interest form!).

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Smiffy on January 20, 2017, 04:27:44 PM
Hi Iain

I'll talk to Ben about doing some unbranded Cemex ones - it shouldn't be a problem in theory (though I don't want to confuse things by amending the expressions of interest form!).

Cheers, Mike

Thanks Mike,

The process to unbrand appears to leave irregular paint patches so it may be just as simple to buy branded and remove the logos.   I'll buy whichever is made available and adjust as necessary.


Best regards

Iain
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: red_death on January 30, 2017, 04:05:01 PM
Hi folks

Just a quick final reminder that expressions of interest close tomorrow (31 January).

As mentioned previously, interest to date has been fantastic and the project will be going ahead, but it is always useful to see which liveries people are most interested in as it allows us to make decisions on the number of livery options we can offer.  Expressions of interest come with no financial commitment but we really do appreciate the information.

Expressions of interest form here: http://www.revolutiontrains.com/hoa-aggregates-hopper-wagon/hoa-expressions-interest/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/hoa-aggregates-hopper-wagon/hoa-expressions-interest/)

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Smiffy on March 22, 2017, 04:38:53 PM
Hi Mike & Ben,

Any update on the HOA development?

I presume the focus is on the Pendolinos at the moment, but would be great to see how these are coming along.

All the best

Iain
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on April 01, 2017, 10:16:39 PM

Hello Iain,

Apologies, I have only just seen your post.  We are expecting the CADs very soon, and of course will post images as soon as we do for comment and feedback.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Graham on April 02, 2017, 12:12:43 AM
Hi Ben & Mike,

any thoughts on when the order book will open?

cheers
Graham
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: red_death on April 02, 2017, 11:16:58 PM
As soon as we get the first CAD we will open the order book.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Graham on April 03, 2017, 12:53:37 AM
thanks Mike,

cheers
Graham
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on May 30, 2017, 12:10:20 AM

Hello all,

We have received CADs for the forthcoming HOA hopper.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/94-300517000227-522912137.jpeg)

This image shows the "as built" version for EWS Contstruction.  Some were very quickly given Cemex colours, and some now are in DB red.  We are planning to offer all these livery variations, subject to sufficient orders being received.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/94-300517000227-52291888.jpeg)

As can be seen the models will be to a similar standard as our TEA tankers (Model of the Year winners) and will feature NEM couplers and NMRA weighting for smooth running and great track-holding.  We are also producing two different bodysides - the original with 4 strengthening fillets, and the VTG with six, and also offering both body-mounted and bogie-mounted parking brake wheel variants.

See our website www.revolutiontrains.com (http://www.revolutiontrains.com) for more images and information.   We will be opening the order book very soon for these models.

Cheers

Ben A.



Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: njee20 on May 30, 2017, 12:26:08 AM
Looks like a stunning level of detail again Ben, well done. Shall definitely be in for a few.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: woodbury22uk on May 30, 2017, 01:28:27 AM
These CADs look brilliant. Even in this form it has the presence of the full size wagon.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Graham on May 30, 2017, 01:30:32 AM
looking great, my credit card will be taking a pounding when I can place an order.
cheers
Graham
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: rusticged on November 09, 2017, 05:35:20 PM
 :wave:
I really hope Rapido come up with a price for these wagons soon.
I would rather commit money to them before the next transition, or modern, wagon is announced.
Fingers crossed,
Ged
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: red_death on November 10, 2017, 03:15:01 PM
Hi Ged

We have a price offer from Rapido but we still have some negotiations to do over various terms plus a potential production schedule.

The HOAs have already been overtaken by the IZA Cargowaggon twins.  Once we've figured out terms/price/schedule with Rapido we will open the order book.  We are very conscious of trying to schedule projects so that there isn't too much at once and the delays to the HOAs have been very frustrating for us as well as you!

Please bear with us while we try to finalise things and be assured that we won't try to overload the market with too many projects at once.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: rusticged on November 10, 2017, 04:35:28 PM
Thank so for the update Mike. Really appreciate it!
Cheers,
Ged
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: portsmouth06 on November 11, 2017, 07:58:47 AM
So looks like the HOA is still a long way off then ? Can I ask what made the IZA over take this project ?
Just curious to know.

Jas
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Kaian on November 11, 2017, 09:15:45 AM
So looks like the HOA is still a long way off then ? Can I ask what made the IZA over take this project ?
Just curious to know.

Jas

I assumed the number of orders have overtaken this project. That is how it has been measured before.

Currently I am holding back ordering either until I know which is happening first as I don't want to miss out.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: red_death on November 11, 2017, 09:59:55 AM
As I said the IZA is happening before the HOA. The reason was simple - they are coming from different factories and the factory producing the IZA gave us a price and finished the CAD much quicker, in fact the IZA tooling is nearly complete.

Cheers Mike

Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on November 11, 2017, 10:19:40 AM
Hello all,

As Mike said, the simple answer is that the HOA is a slightly more complex project than the IZA.

But to flesh out the reasoning (for those interested) this is because we needed to work out the tooling split for the HOA based on enabling the different sides (original EWS/revised VTG) to be depicted.  This impacted on the cost of both tooling and assembly, and the back-and-forth discussion about how to achieve this adds time.

When the designers in Canada and China are also busy on other projects it can add more time than you might think (or we would like!!)

Without a firm price we have been unable to start taking orders for the HOA.

The IZA on the other hand has been simpler to tool and assemble, so while we announced this model after the HOA we were given a price quickly and therefore able to open the order book sooner.

With money coming in (bearing in mind each project's finances are ring-fenced) the IZA has progressed to tooling first.

Please come and see us on stand B029 at the Warley National Model Railway Exhibition at the NEC on November 25th/26th and we'll be happy to personally give any supporters the latest updates and information, and show off the latest progress.

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: portsmouth06 on November 11, 2017, 01:56:46 PM
Ben/Mike

thanks for the info

Jas
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on November 28, 2017, 06:14:39 PM

Hello all,

Rapido surprised us at Warley with 3D prints depcicting both types of the forthcoming HOA hoppers.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/94-281117165550-586622283.jpeg)

The one in front represents the recent VTG variant, with six reinforcing panels on the side and handbrake wheel on the bogies, while the one behind is the original EWS Construction type with the handbrake wheels on the body and four strengthening plates.  Here is a shot of the original version on its own:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/94-281117165552-58662530.jpeg)

Please bear in mind that these are 3D prints intended simply to give us a feel for the presence, size and fit of the finished wagons.  They do not have the crispness of detail or finesse of the moulded wagons, and some of the thinner parts are very slightly distorted due to limitations of the material.

They utilise parts from our exiting TEA tanker model - the bogies and some components from the close coupler units - and these parts are in black plastic.

We are hoping to open the order book for these models very soon with our usual payment plan terms, and they are scheduled to go into production after the Class 92 locomotive.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: MacRat on November 28, 2017, 06:54:31 PM
Hi Ben and Mike
When you open the order book, would it be possible to have a button to order what I voted for?
It seems that I didn't receive a mail confirming my vote and there is no entry for the vote on my account. I can't remember for what liveries I voted back then  :doh:
 :helpneededsign:
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: kirky on November 28, 2017, 07:45:46 PM

They utilise parts from our exiting TEA tanker model - the bogies and some components from the close coupler units - and these parts are in black plastic.



Hi @Ben A (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94)  and @red_death (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=246)
I guess someone may already have asked this and apologies if you've answered before, but I havent seen it anywhere...

So being stupid, what I did to one of my TEA's resulted in banishment to the shed due to unforgiveable bad language. I managed to glue up - er superglue up - a bogie and connector when trying to stick down a weight that was loose in the tank.  :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
So what chance of purchasing a replacement bogie and coupling mechanism? There doesnt seem to be anything on the website, but since you are doing the bogies and couplers for the HOAs I wonder if you could do some spares?

Just thought I'd ask.
Thanks
Kirky
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on November 29, 2017, 08:07:48 PM
So what chance of purchasing a replacement bogie and coupling mechanism?

Just thought I'd ask.
Thanks
Kirky

PM sent.

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Merrylee on March 31, 2018, 11:23:10 PM
C and M models are showing forward orders now been taken.

Ron
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: MacRat on December 20, 2018, 03:38:58 PM
Hello Mike & Ben
Now that the HOAs can be ordered, I wanted to order what I "expressed interest" for. Is there a way to see what I voted for? I really can't remember. Also, I seem to have no mail, confirming my expression of interest.

regards
Matthias
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: red_death on December 20, 2018, 04:02:51 PM
Hi Matthias

I'm afraid not - expressions of interest are just a tally to gauge whether there is enough interest to progress a project.  We don't (and couldn't anyway!) hold people to ordering what they expressed interest in.  It is not part of our ordering system so there is no way of viewing it.  The latest version of it has an optional email confirmation, but I don't think that was in place when we did the HOAs.

Sorry, Mike
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Merrylee on December 21, 2018, 06:48:51 PM
Food for thought, I'm about to order a varied rake of EWS, DB, and Cemex hoppers.
As there's no cash incentive with the triple, I'm thinking of going the all single route.
Ben/ Mike if i order 6 no EWS as single orders for example will I get all different running numbers.
Will this apply to DB as I want 3 no but wanting the varied logo positions.

Ron
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: njee20 on December 21, 2018, 07:21:10 PM
With all due respect it seems pretty clear the single EWS is 320005, why would you get 6 different ones? If you want different running numbers order the triples, that’s the point. Otherwise Ben and Mike will have 6 of the singles and they’ll need to swap some out of triples anyway to give you the different running numbers? Or am I misunderstanding the question?
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: PaulCheffus on December 21, 2018, 07:59:45 PM
Food for thought, I'm about to order a varied rake of EWS, DB, and Cemex hoppers.
As there's no cash incentive with the triple, I'm thinking of going the all single route.
Ben/ Mike if i order 6 no EWS as single orders for example will I get all different running numbers.
Will this apply to DB as I want 3 no but wanting the varied logo positions.

Ron

Hi

The only thing i did notice when ordering my sturgeons was that the postage was more expensive when ordering singles instead of triples.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Merrylee on December 21, 2018, 08:03:49 PM
Hi Nick,
Point is if I decide to sell for example in the future 2 no EWS hoppers, I can't as its 3 or none if I purchase triple packs only.
As I said in the opening post, food for thought, all for discussion.
Ben an Mike do a fantastic job and are always open to feed back.
I presume it's another manufacturing process to produce triple packaging rather than all single and we select the running numbers at the ordering stage.

Ron

Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Merrylee on December 21, 2018, 08:08:09 PM
Hi Paul,
Revolution will combine your postage.
When I ordered the cargo waggons over  a varied period of time, they re imbursed the postage and all came in the one parcel.

Ron
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: njee20 on December 21, 2018, 08:50:16 PM
I do know what you mean Ron, and I obviously don’t want to speak for Mike and Ben but that isn’t really their issue. The triple packs of IZAs were individually packaged, with just an outer sleeve keeping them together. You’d have definitely been able to sell them individually. Trying to remember if the TEAs were similar, I don’t think they were. Think they were 3 individual plastic boxes in a single cardboard box.

The other option obviously is to just duplicate running numbers, I’ve got excellent eyesight, but they’re so tiny on nearly everything!

Or just take a potential hit on the resale by selling a single one. It’ll definitely be in its own box, it just may not have the full ‘retail’ packaging of a single one.

Obviously again I don’t want to talk for Mike and Ben, who are free to tell me to get back in my box, just feels a bit ‘cake and eat it’ to basically ask for the triple wagons packaged as singles purely to protect the resale value. 
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: acko22 on December 21, 2018, 08:58:35 PM
Hi,

I will not speak for Ben and Mike, but if they package the triple packs as they did the TEAs and the Class Bs all models were individually boxed with card sleeves holding the packs individual boxes together as a triple pack.
I think to ask them to individually sleeve each box won't be viable option due to all the logistics.

However when they come out you could always ask if there are people with the required individual sleeves they are happy to let you have
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: njee20 on December 21, 2018, 09:10:51 PM
Just looking at typical consists and liveries and happened on this video:



A 66 (which we’ll ignore!) then a 92, an HOA, 20 VTG JNAs and 24 (I think) Ermewa JNAs. Be an expensive one to recreate when(!) the JNAs get shrunk  :goggleeyes:

A couple of EWS and Cemex I think. Would like a full rake of the Tarmac ones, but with TEAs, Pendolinos, 92s and IPAs coming up I fear common sense needs to prevail, for once!
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: PaulCheffus on December 21, 2018, 10:08:59 PM
Hi Paul,
Revolution will combine your postage.
When I ordered the cargo waggons over  a varied period of time, they re imbursed the postage and all came in the one parcel.

Ron

Hi

I think you misunderstood my post.

For example add six singles and note the postage cost. Remove them and add two triple packs note the postage cost. You will find the postage cost of the six singles is more than the two triples.

Postage for six singles £11.00
Postage for two triples £7.01

Nothing to do with multiple orders and I was mentioning this for people considering buying multiple singles rather than the triples.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Farmer chap on December 22, 2018, 03:19:39 PM
I know this question comes up with every model developed but here goes!

Does anyone have approximate length dimensions over the buffers for these hoppers?, probably missed this in the thread somewhere.

Usual reason to see how many will fit in storage roads.

Many thanks,

Ian.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on December 22, 2018, 06:09:55 PM

Hi all,

Ian - the length over buffers is just under 103mm.  Having said that, there'll be some "coupler slop" which is almost impossible to gauge until you see the physical wagons, so I'd allow 105 each to be on the safe side.

Ron - the single wagons and triple pack wagons are numbered as shown. The point of the triple packs is to offer different numbers.  There's no discount because the factory doesn't give us discount - if anything the triple packs should cost more as there is the additional card sheath, but we fudge that as the cost is so low.

When 3000 or 4000 models arrive it'll take all our time to send them out as they are - switching triples to singles etc just isn't an option!

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: red_death on December 22, 2018, 06:57:19 PM
As Paul has pointed out the slight incentive to order triples is the P&P is marginally cheaper compared to 3 singles. There are 7 individual numbers but the singles will all be one number as I'm afraid there is a limit to what the factory will accept (and in general singles tend to be less popular than triple packs).

Cheers M
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Merrylee on December 27, 2018, 01:03:43 PM
Well I've ordered the two EWS triple packs to see out my last order of 2018.

My CC is clear mid Jan 2019 and I can see a triple pack of DB and Cemex getting added to still take advantage of the early bird price.

Ron

Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Merrylee on January 21, 2019, 12:17:59 AM
DB Schenker and Cemex triple sets ordered.

I'm sure I read somewhere the possibility of looking into de branding vinyls/decals being supplied with the Cemex ones for those who want to cover the logo over.

Ron

Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on January 21, 2019, 12:32:48 AM

Hi all,

We provided decals with the 4mm TEAs featuring green blanking patches and white VTG lettering to allow Freightliner versions to be rebranded.

We'll certainly consider producing decals representing the grey patches painted onto the Cemex branding.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Merrylee on January 22, 2019, 11:29:57 PM
Thanks Ben,

Sounds like a plan.

Ron
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Spanners70 on January 30, 2019, 03:25:32 PM
Anyone know when the early bird price closes ? Trying to decide if I “need” any more adding to my order.. I seem to get carried away with revolution orders..
Still not sure I need 29 class b’s but the are rather nice,  is 14 HOA’s enough I wonder ?
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: njee20 on January 30, 2019, 03:29:34 PM
Early bird ends tomorrow. Given you're getting a price markedly below the retail I'd get a few spares, you can always sell them on at a profit upon delivery. Better return than any savings accounts!

Handy clicky link to the shop (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/product/hoa-aggregates-hopper-wagon/).
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Vonzack on January 30, 2019, 03:49:38 PM
Anyone know when the early bird price closes ? Trying to decide if I “need” any more adding to my order.. I seem to get carried away with revolution orders..
Still not sure I need 29 class b’s but the are rather nice,  is 14 HOA’s enough I wonder ?

If you're doing it properly you need at least 50% more than that ;-)
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on January 31, 2019, 06:24:41 PM

Hello all,

Just a gentle reminder that it's early bird deadline day for our HOA hoppers.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/94-310119182012-737421013.jpeg) (Photo courtesy Paul Biggs)

We are offering two types - original with body-mounted parking brake wheels ad four reinforcing panels...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/94-310119182012-73742421.jpeg)

...and VTG versions with bogie mounted parking brake wheel and 6 reinforcing panels.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/73/94-310119182013-73744138.jpeg)

The first type are in EWS, Cemex, Ermewa/Tarmac and DB liveries, the VTG in VTG/Mendip Rail for Mendip stone trains.

You can still order them after midnight tonight, but you'll pay more.

For more information, and a link to the order page, see here: http://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/ (http://www.revolutiontrains.com/news/)

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Pete @ EGLM on January 31, 2019, 06:36:49 PM
Time for a couple of beers to lubricate the spending gene🤣🤣

Pete @ EGLM
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: RailGooner on January 31, 2019, 11:30:31 PM
MBH has gone to bed. >:D >:D
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Graham on February 01, 2019, 05:12:47 AM
that will teach me to procrastinate, missed the early bird.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Spanners70 on February 01, 2019, 11:16:31 AM
Decided I “needed” another 7 HOA’s, 21 will have to do I think. So really it’s buy 20 get 1 free with the early bird  :D
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: rusticged on March 08, 2019, 07:41:32 PM
 :wave:

I am really delighted these wagons are being produced, even though they have left a large hole in my bank balance. Finally, something for my CJM 59s.
Cheers,
Ged.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Intercity on March 08, 2019, 11:37:14 PM
Just a quick question are there plans to issue any with a flashing tail light? Like the single IZAs.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on March 09, 2019, 01:27:26 AM

Hi Intercity,

We looked at it but there isn't enough space in the area between the outer cover and the inner sloped face.

The only way to fit in the PCB, battery, switch etc would've been to put it in the bay and have a false load over the top.

We did consider this but felt it was just too much of a compromise, especially as on these wagons the lamp sits on a lamp iron on the bufferbeam.  On the IZAs they are hard against the flat end of the wagon.

We are investigating the possibility of providing a lighting "set" comprising the PCB, clear light guide and tail lamp moulding for customers to fit as they wish, but for now the focus is on delivering the wagons!

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 09, 2019, 09:38:50 AM

Hi Intercity,

We looked at it but there isn't enough space in the area between the outer cover and the inner sloped face.

The only way to fit in the PCB, battery, switch etc would've been to put it in the bay and have a false load over the top.

We did consider this but felt it was just too much of a compromise, especially as on these wagons the lamp sits on a lamp iron on the bufferbeam.  On the IZAs they are hard against the flat end of the wagon.

We are investigating the possibility of providing a lighting "set" comprising the PCB, clear light guide and tail lamp moulding for customers to fit as they wish, but for now the focus is on delivering the wagons!

Cheers

Ben A.

Ben

just a hole with a path from the buffer to the hopper that can be threaded with a 1mm fibre optic would be great.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on April 15, 2019, 05:50:20 PM

Hello all,

We have received EP1 samples of the forthcoming HOA hoppers, in both bodystyles. 

They'll be on display on the Revolution Trains stand at the York exhibition this coming Easter weekend, and I will post photos here after the show unless someone beats me to it!

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on June 01, 2019, 04:49:35 PM

Hello all,

Deco samples have been received of two liveries - Ermewa/Tarmac grey and Cemex Blue/grey.

These are on display today and tomorrow at DEMU Showcase exhibition in Swadlincote.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/77/94-010619164225-779821778.jpeg)

We are expecting livery samples of the remaining three liveries (EWS Constrcution, DB Red and Mendip Rail silver) next week.

Once all are approved we will be ready to close the order book and instruct the factory to commence production, probably in about a fortnight.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: jpendle on June 01, 2019, 05:20:48 PM
They look really good Ben.

Regards,

John P
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Vonzack on June 01, 2019, 05:33:10 PM
They look great, can't wait ;-)
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: rusticged on June 01, 2019, 06:31:10 PM
Thanks for the update Ben. Really appreciate it.
They look great!
Delighted that production will soon be starting.
Cheers,
Ged.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Merrylee on June 01, 2019, 08:39:38 PM
They look excellent, once again thanks Ben and Mike.

Ron
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Intercity on June 01, 2019, 09:02:12 PM
Two weeks to order a rake, I’m going to be one broke modeler, and living with the dog in the dog house when SWMBO sees the bank statement!!

But I’ll have a cool looking train when she lets me back in.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: njee20 on June 01, 2019, 09:38:33 PM
Corrrr, look at those! Awesome. I only ordered a few to supplement a JGA rake, now tempted to chop in the JGAs and go all in on the HOAs!
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Graham on June 02, 2019, 12:35:04 AM
looking at these I definitely need to order more.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Bealman on June 02, 2019, 01:21:29 AM
Not my era, but stunning models, without a doubt.

Another feather in Revolution's cap!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: red_death on June 02, 2019, 02:35:58 AM
looking at these I definitely need to order more.

That was what I thought! Ironic!!!
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Graham on June 02, 2019, 03:03:15 AM
then I can run them through the American layout at the club (at least that is what you told me it was at Warley when I showed you the pic of a Pendolino on the club layout)

cheers
Graham
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: MacRat on June 12, 2019, 07:52:07 PM
Stunning pictures of the decorated HOAs appeared on RMweb:
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/117258-revolution-offers-hoa-stone-hopper-as-next-modernwagon-in-n/&do=findComment&comment=3582991 (https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/117258-revolution-offers-hoa-stone-hopper-as-next-modernwagon-in-n/&do=findComment&comment=3582991)
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on June 12, 2019, 08:10:09 PM

Hi all,

That was quick!  While I was uploading these to NGF...

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/94-120619200246-784001196.jpeg)

EWS Construction:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/94-120619200235-783951768.jpeg)

Cemex:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/94-120619200234-78395314.jpeg)

DB Red:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/94-120619200239-78397205.jpeg)

These three often run together...
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/94-120619200247-784012378.jpeg)

The Ermewa Tarmac versions tend to run in block trains of the same type:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/94-120619200240-783971977.jpeg)

While the VTG/Mendip Rail versions usually run with each other and other Mendip wagons such as IIAs:
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/78/94-120619200243-7839940.jpeg)

There are a few minor corrections to be made to the liveries, once these are approved then we will be in a position to close the order book and get them into production.

Thanks to all who have ordered already to get this project to this point - as each of our models has to pay for itself.

We do anticipate offering another modern freight vehicle in the Autumn, possibly at the N Gauge show, but are trying to pace our models to allow customers to afford as many as they need of each.

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Graham on June 13, 2019, 03:06:48 AM
looking forward to my birthday when I can get some more, at least that will be the excuse
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Merrylee on January 20, 2020, 10:38:54 PM
Hi Ben and Mike, does it still look as if these will be in transit before the Chinese New Year starts next week.

Ron
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Merrylee on January 29, 2020, 08:53:47 PM
Great news that the hoppers made it to the UK prior to the Chinese New Year.

Hopefully not to long, once the guys have cleared their feet with the KFAs and Sturgeons.

Ron
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Snowwolflair on January 29, 2020, 08:57:36 PM
In case someone sneezed on them before they left China, sitting for a few weeks before being mailed out might be a good thing.  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Shropshire Lad on January 29, 2020, 09:49:14 PM

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/86/5589-290120214835.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=86786)
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: njee20 on January 29, 2020, 10:05:50 PM
Ahhh, the Juice Loosener!

Looking forward to the HOAs, infectious or not!
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: woodbury22uk on February 19, 2020, 10:41:47 AM
As I was leaving the house just now the postie had me sign for a parcel. Managed to open a corner and its full of nice silver VTG HOAs. Funeral first, toys later.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Graham on February 19, 2020, 10:51:47 PM
that is good news, how about some pics. Guess mine will arrive in a few weeks, given the delays in Aussie Post.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Merrylee on February 22, 2020, 10:04:44 PM
Picked up my HOAs at Model Rail Scotland and they are fantastic.

Credit to the guys for once again bringing a superb model to the n gauge world.

Ron

Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Busybee on February 23, 2020, 09:45:22 AM
Waiting for the final invoice for my order.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: red_death on February 23, 2020, 09:52:28 AM
As I said in our recent newsletter (I think), we haven’t sent out any balance invoices yet as we’ve been clearing the decks of KFAs and Sturgeons before getting ready for Model Rail Scotland.

Orders paid in full are starting to go out and over the next few weeks I’ll start to send out balance invoices.

Cheers Mike
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: woodbury22uk on February 23, 2020, 12:21:58 PM

After a few days working on family issues I finally managed to get round to unboxing my HOAs and putting them on their wheels. The first few cautious runs behind a Dapol Class 68 with 10 on were disastrous with multiple derailments. I traced these to the bogies having too much rotational resistance. Slackening off the bogie retaining screws by a quarter turn on every offending bogie did the trick and the whole rake now runs smoothly including through 18 inch radius reverse curves, facing and trailing turnouts, up hill and down, and through the 9 inch radius curve in part of the fiddle yard. The wagons have an excellent close coupling set up which has the buffers very close on the straight and opening out sufficiently for the wagons to go round my tightest curve.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/1599-230220121214-878361620.jpeg)

The wagons come in a snug fitting box with the wagons retained in a film sheet inside a two piece clear flexible plastic clamshell, itself fitting closely into the hard clear plastic outer case. There are separate brake pipes in the box with instructions for fitting them.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/1599-230220121258-878411184.jpeg)


(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/1599-230220121256-878392398.jpeg)

The detail on the wagons is as near perfect in our chosen scale with pipe runs, brackets, handles, handrails, door operating gear etc. all faithfully represented. I have 7 VTG Mendip Rail wagons with bogie mounted parking brake handwheels and 3 Ermewa Tarmac wagons with the parking brake handwheel recessed into the hopper body. The lettering is detailed and extensive including warning notices along the tops of the hopper bodies.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/1599-230220121256-878392100.jpeg)

The insides of the hoppers are painted in a convincing dark brown with strengthening ribs and baffles fully represented.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/1599-230220121239-878381360.jpeg)

The hopper end sheets, concealing brake equipment, are well detailed with a tail lamp bracket present.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/1599-230220121158-87803220.jpeg)

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/1599-230220121158-87803482.jpeg)
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on February 23, 2020, 04:52:53 PM

Hello all,

The HOAs were operating today on Wormhill, Pete Latham’s superb representation of Peak Forest in Derbyshire, at Model Rail Scotland.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/87/94-230220165026-878422137.jpeg)

There are more images on the News section of the Revolution website.

Also, with thanks to Mike W above, I have added a short note about how to rectify any stiffness in the bogies if the retaining screws have been over-tightened during assembly.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: rusticged on February 23, 2020, 06:38:04 PM
 :claphappy:
I collected my 28 HOAs at Glasgow, some of each livery, and have had them running on Leefield & Ashpeth, my loft layout. At last, something appropriate to give my Class 59s a workout.
These are truly wonderful wagons. I had the same issue as mentioned above but soon sorted with a small screwdriver. Their free running qualities are superb. I always test new wagons on an incline and these HOAs run away, beautifully. They are nicely weighted. The detail and printing are exquisite in every way. The packaging is also exemplary and I love the leaflet identifying the history of the wagons. A great quality touch.
A HUGE thank you to Ben and Mike for another amazing Revolution product.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Graham on February 23, 2020, 08:44:49 PM
must be time for another of your lovely videos showing us them running on Leefield & Ashpeth.

cheers
Graham
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: rusticged on February 23, 2020, 10:06:15 PM
Hi Graham
The next video is in preparation and the HOAs will figure, once they have been loaded and weathered.
Cheers,
Ged.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Spanners70 on March 05, 2020, 08:32:35 PM
my HOA's have arrived. as impressive as ever from Ben and Mike just awesome. only regret is I wish id ordered a few more...
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Graham on March 05, 2020, 09:53:35 PM
I have the same regret every time I get a Revolution delivery, biggest has been the Pendolino's wish I had ordered more.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 20, 2020, 01:23:03 AM
As the Queen has now left London for Windsor they are able to start shutting the capital down.

I hope all the HOAs will get posted in time.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: TestCrew on March 23, 2020, 12:44:30 PM
my HOA's have arrived. as impressive as ever from Ben and Mike just awesome. only regret is I wish id ordered a few more...

You and me both mate ........ got 12 but wish I’d got 15/18  :'(
As others have posted great work again to all at revolution and thank you for getting my order out under very trying circumstances  :beers:
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Busybee on March 24, 2020, 09:38:46 AM
The nice post lady delivered mine yesterday.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Monkey1974 on March 24, 2020, 10:50:27 AM
All

I received mine yesterday, you will not be disappointed. Really impressed with these, I had the Mendip Rail ones and the Cemex ones....
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 24, 2020, 10:56:07 AM
Yes, my ones arrived as well, really nice models.  Lets hope the pause to the arrival of the next Revolution masterpiece wont be too long.

Keep well everybody.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on March 24, 2020, 12:07:23 PM

Hello all,

Thanks to those posting who are enjoying their HOAs!

The next models we are expecting to arrive in the UK are the Class 92 and the IPA car carriers.

We are not yet clear on when they will arrive - they have been impacted by the Corona Virus in China - but we will keep people informed.

We do have some news, which will be on our website in the next day or so, and we are also investigating the possibility of hosting a Facebook Live to show some new items and interact with customers, as we were unable to do this last weekend because the show at Alexandra Palace was cancelled.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: rusticged on March 24, 2020, 01:56:47 PM
Great idea Ben

Just more temptation though!!
Ha Ha Bring it on.
Cheers,
Ged.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Monkey1974 on March 24, 2020, 07:39:52 PM
Ben

Please don't do that, because then I will have buy some more and then I'll get in trouble AGAIN.

Please let us know...lol
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: njee20 on March 24, 2020, 09:14:50 PM
Looking forward to these! Having just dismantled the layout for a house move I need a cabinet or something. Heaven forbid I can’t display the 92s when they arrive!
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: monkey_brains on March 28, 2020, 10:01:06 PM
Just remembered I need to pay my balance invoice now the credit card has billed - looking forward to getting my hands on them
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: kbreck on April 04, 2020, 09:21:59 PM
I have 8 on the way from C and M Models, just waiting on a plane ride to the USA.  Does anyone know if loads are available yet for these beauties?
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Graham on April 04, 2020, 10:22:42 PM
if there are, they will be an aftermarket item as the guys at Revolution stated they wouldn't be providing loads
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Merrylee on April 04, 2020, 10:35:34 PM
You wont be disappointed with them, there nice wagons.

For some reason C and M models were the only ones doing the HOAs as far as i know.

There was a guy on e bay not that long ago doing limestone/ballast/sand loads in N and OO. Got a lot of good feedback. Seems to have disappeared.

10 Commandments will probably do them in the future.

Ron
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Pete @ EGLM on April 04, 2020, 11:16:33 PM
Atwood Aggregates do proper stone from various quarries in various grades.  I’ve got a big bag of “extra fine stone from Mendip Quarries” for my Mendip Rail HOAs.

Pete @ a very quiet EGLM
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Merrylee on April 05, 2020, 12:52:38 PM
Hi Pete, interesting idea.

Don’t think the loads were right up to the top so the packing piece of cardboard/plasticard may have to go in, in 2 halves level with the widest part of the body. Then stone poured on top with distinct loading humps. Diluted PVA to fix them will make removing the loads difficult if required in the future.

Ron

Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: kbreck on April 05, 2020, 01:00:46 PM
I was thinking of making my own loads.  Was going to for my IOA wagons.  I'll have to wait and see what the inside looks like on the HOA's.  Meanwhile, I've got a shelf layout to plan!!
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Ben A on April 05, 2020, 07:48:03 PM

Hello all,

With everyone in the UK virtually in lockdown we have been looking at ways we can help our customers.

One idea we are working is to offer more videos, and creating loads for HOAs is one topic we are considering.

Our recent video showing the KUA decorated samples, and updates on other projects, had a very positive response despite the sound problems with the live version.

I think people appreciate efforts to offer diversion and useful content at this difficult time.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: EXCLUSIVE - RevolutioN HOA Hopper
Post by: Snowwolflair on April 05, 2020, 07:55:52 PM
That's a very good idea although some thought will be needed about sourcing materials.

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