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Title: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on April 18, 2015, 02:01:45 PM
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just finished laying track, quite pleased with the result. I'm just hoping that my skill level lets me do the layout justice. This is just half of what will eventually be an L shape design. The plan will be to make this part industrial with other half leaning towards a large through station and a town/ village location. Looking at other members layouts, I know this will be a huge challenge for me, if I can get mine looking half as good,I'll feel happy. Time will tell but I'm up for the task.
Title: Re: Now comes the hard part!
Post by: snail on April 18, 2015, 02:19:51 PM
looking very good, even if it doesn't become an L shape, this looks like it will provide hours of fun!
looking forward to seeing progress on this layout.
Title: Re: Now comes the hard part!
Post by: Newportnobby on April 18, 2015, 03:11:39 PM
Looks very smart (and tidy!!)
Keep us posted with progress, please :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Now comes the hard part!
Post by: Jerry Howlett on April 18, 2015, 03:34:54 PM
Looking rather good, you have obviously gone down the design and then build formula.  That is why after 5 years I still cannot finish of the track laying !
Looking forward to your progress reports.

Jerry
Title: Re: Now comes the hard part!
Post by: Marcus Amison on April 18, 2015, 04:27:52 PM
 :no:
Looking rather good, you have obviously gone down the design and then build formula.  That is why after 5 years I still cannot finish of the track laying !
Looking forward to your progress reports.

Jerry
Thx. I wanted to be able to carry out shunting operations other than simply having a roundy roundy layout.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 24, 2015, 12:38:07 AM
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just finished laying track, quite pleased with the result. I'm just hoping that my skill level lets me do the layout justice. This is just half of what will eventually be an L shape design. The plan will be to make this part industrial with other half leaning towards a large through station and a town/ village location. Looking at other members layouts, I know this will be a huge challenge for me, if I can get mine looking half as good,I'll feel happy. Time will tell but I'm up for the task.
Just a little update. I wasn't to happy with how my loco's performed over the small radius set track turnouts so I have replaced all these with medium and long radius. Wow! What a difference, no more derailments and things run so much smoother. I have made a couple of changes to the layout design ready for the second stage to be added. May try a small section of ballast to see what kind of standard I can produce, just hope it doesn't look naff!
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 24, 2015, 01:02:52 AM
 :hellosign: I've just ballasted a 4 inch stretch of track to see what it will eventually look like. Looks all rather white, just hope it dries clear like I've seen in other members posts. Fingers crossed, come the morning, I can smile. :hmmm:
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Bealman on May 24, 2015, 02:20:39 AM
Looks like you're off to a great start.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Newportnobby on May 24, 2015, 09:48:11 AM
If you've used a PVA/water mix rest assured it will dry clear, Marcus.
I think you'll have a smile on your face today :)
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 24, 2015, 04:12:35 PM
Well, I've just looked at the ballasting I tried last night, got carried away and did a whole 14 inches. I'm really happy with the result. Of course I've never done it before so I have nothing to compare it against. Hope you think it looks Ok. :bounce:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 24, 2015, 04:14:55 PM
If you've used a PVA/water mix rest assured it will dry clear, Marcus.
I think you'll have a smile on your face today :)
Thx. I am smiling this morning :)
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Jerry Howlett on May 24, 2015, 05:49:13 PM
Looks better than my first effort, and that was this week after putting it off for 5 years...

Jerry
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 25, 2015, 12:14:57 AM
 :wave: wasn't to sure how to tackle turnouts, reading other posts these always seemed to be difficult and precise when it came to ballasting. I'm happy with my first attempt, just another 16 to go...lol. I won't be ballasting anything else until I have decided whether to fit peco surface mount motors. When it comes to the motors would you fit on all the turnouts or just to the ones out of reach? I would be interested to know what members think on this matter. :thankyousign:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Webbo on May 25, 2015, 02:17:11 AM
Good question about the motors on the turnouts Marcus

I adopted a strategy of fitting motors to turnouts to my main line and passing tracks since these are where my railway operations will be taking place. I will have a few turnouts in my industrial area, but these will be hand turned as the industrial sidings are really part of the scenery to me and will not be used for shunting operations. Likewise my fiddle yard turnouts will not have motors as this area is strictly train storage. Others would have motors on all turnouts I'm sure and this is 100% fine too.

For you, my answer would be that if you are reluctant to fit motors to all turnouts, where you do fit motors would depend on how you want to run your layout. If you use surface motors you can always add them later where you decide you need them.

Webbo
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: PostModN66 on May 25, 2015, 06:59:24 AM
I would make all the points remotely operable, to avoid spoiling the effect when a big hand enters the scene, to avoid damaging scenery and inadvertently derailing trains, and to be able to recreate some of the sense of operating as a signalman.

But I wouldn't automatically go for point motors - wire-in-tube is cheaper, less complex and for a steam era layout more authentic. For yards where the points would be operated from hand levers, the tubes could just be brought to the edge of the baseboard locally and a row of simple levers fitted.

Cheers  Jon  :)
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Newportnobby on May 25, 2015, 09:43:24 AM
Just speaking personally I'll be fitting motors to all my points, especially on my larger layout as I'll be operating from the front and the fiddle yard will be out of reach beyond the backscene.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 25, 2015, 10:11:40 AM
Just speaking personally I'll be fitting motors to all my points, especially on my larger layout as I'll be operating from the front and the fiddle yard will be out of reach beyond the backscene.
I've purchased one peco surface mount motor, not really worried about cost so I'll see how easy they are to adapt to N gauge. If straight forward, I'll probably fit to all my turnouts. The second part to my L shape design will be made up of framework so fitting under board motors won't be an issue.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: port perran on May 25, 2015, 10:37:53 AM
The layout looks great to me. Looking forward to seeing more pictures.
As for point motors, I fitted them to Port Perran but actually only ever use them at exhibitions. Here at home , I find it just as easy to change points by hand.  I'm not convinced that its worth all the effort but that is very much down to personal choice.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Webbo on May 25, 2015, 10:47:27 AM
I've purchased one peco surface mount motor, not really worried about cost so I'll see how easy they are to adapt to N gauge. If straight forward, I'll probably fit to all my turnouts. The second part to my L shape design will be made up of framework so fitting under board motors won't be an issue.

Looking up pictures of these things on the web, the PL11 surface point motor is quite large and I think would degrade the appearance of an N scale layout to some extent. The wire in tube scheme proposed by PostModN66 would look better as would the sub-surface Peco point motors. I'm using the latter. There is also a Peco switching mechanism that allows for single (PL13) or double throw (PL15) that can be fastened under the PL10 sub-surface point motor to control other functions associated with the point direction. I have the twin switches fitted to my point motors which I use to control the LED direction indicator lights on my control panel as well as the colour of my signals (red or green). Just to add a bit more confusion to the situation.

Webbo

Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on May 25, 2015, 10:49:35 AM
This is just my personal opinion but I tried point motors on an earlier layout and they were fine, until something went wrong (a burnt out solenoid for example) then it became very fiddly to replace them.
For my latest layout I have gone back to hand operation - the big finger from the sky - hardly prototypical but the railway will never leave home and it suits me.
So I'd say Rule One applies - its above all YOUR railway and you do as you please with it.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 25, 2015, 11:14:54 AM
Amazing what a bit of ballast does to add realism. Looking forward to cracking on.(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 28, 2015, 08:34:38 PM
 :hellosign:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
A little update on layout. Made a couple of changes to design, I've added another loop that will eventually run onto other half of layout. What was going to be a branch line terminating on the upper level will now continue and rejoin main line.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: NeMo on May 28, 2015, 09:54:42 PM
Amazing what a bit of ballast does to add realism. Looking forward to cracking on.
Do make sure everything is working nicely first. Ballasting is a pain in the backside. Straights and curves are easy enough, but points gum up super-easily. I've learned not to get too cocky when ballasting, and to run every possible train through ballasted points before moving on. Or else use Kato Unitrack!  >:D

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Newportnobby on May 28, 2015, 10:12:00 PM
It's coming on really well, Marcus, but beware making it all track and no scenery please. Personally, I'd like to see at least a third of that track hidden but maybe you have that in mind already.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 28, 2015, 11:43:55 PM
It's coming on really well, Marcus, but beware making it all track and no scenery please. Personally, I'd like to see at least a third of that track hidden but maybe you have that in mind already.
:hellosign: thx for your positive comments. Coincidentally, my wife today made exactly the same remark regarding to "much track and not enough green, it looks a bit gray" she said. Being honest, this section of the layout has got a little busier than I originally planned but once this moves into my 8x16 shed that's arriving in a couple of weeks, I intend to have just a station and a fiddle yard on the other 8x4 board and lots of green( keep the wife happy) I have looked at your post on your forth coming layout, very nice. I read with interest how your keeping the upper and lower track separate, I have been considering this with the additional loop I have put in and keeping it solely for DC operation, haven't made my mind up yet though. One other observation, my layout currently sits in our conservatory fitted with blinds, yet even on a day like today it gets really hot. Are you not worried that the heat my effect the track? That said, it does look very impressive. I shall keep popping over to see if I can borrow some ideas...lol  :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on May 29, 2015, 07:37:11 AM
Port Perran says he has fitted point motors but uses the old German method of derfingerpoken in preference at home.
As do I - on my layout all points (except a couple at the town end of the station) are within easy reach of the controller.
To fit Peco motors to N gauge track is a simple task before the points are laid but, should there be an 'incident' (eg solenoid burn out" :'() then it is next to impossible to change the motor 'in situ' >:(!
Also it worries me to read that some of your points are out of reach during operating sessions - I repeat my well intended suggestion that should you have problems during an operating session (ye olde law of Sod dictates) it will be there! :veryangry: :censored:
The reason that I am not using Peco (P10) motors on Peltin Down is not cost  (I have about 25 'spare' in my toolbox) but past experience.
But, as ever, do what you think right and I wish you the very best of luck.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on May 29, 2015, 07:53:34 AM
Amazing what a bit of ballast does to add realism. Looking forward to cracking on.
Do make sure everything is working nicely first. Ballasting is a pain in the backside. Straights and curves are easy enough, but points gum up super-easily. I've learned not to get too cocky when ballasting, and to run every possible train through ballasted points before moving on. Or else use Kato Unitrack!  >:D

Cheers, NeMo

I second this NeMo, but one tip before gluing the ballast - take a lubricant such as an oil specially made for model railways (do not use any old oil) and 'paint' the point blades and all moving parts with it first. That way the glue sticks to the ballast, and does not gum up the blades.
I did this on Peltin and had no problems.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 29, 2015, 08:08:17 AM
Port Perran says he has fitted point motors but uses the old German method of derfingerpoken in preference at home.
As do I - on my layout all points (except a couple at the town end of the station) are within easy reach of the controller.
To fit Peco motors to N gauge track is a simple task before the points are laid but, should there be an 'incident' (eg solenoid burn out" :'() then it is next to impossible to change the motor 'in situ' >:(!
Also it worries me to read that some of your points are out of reach during operating sessions - I repeat my well intended suggestion that should you have problems during an operating session (ye olde law of Sod dictates) it will be there! :veryangry: :censored:
The reason that I am not using Peco (P10) motors on Peltin Down is not cost  (I have about 25 'spare' in my toolbox) but past experience.
But, as ever, do what you think right and I wish you the very best of luck.
  :hellosign: non of my points are really out of reach, the only reason I'm thinking of point motors is will it or will it not add to the operational enjoyment of the layout. Not sure what direction to go in. I have used just one point motor at the moment on the only turnout that's on the opposite side. This was fitted as I didn't want to lean over and potentially bash anything once I start the scenery.   :wave:
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on May 29, 2015, 08:28:01 AM
Sorry Marcus, I must have misunderstood. On my first layout I did use point motors for those points that were out of reach in normal use - inexperience dictating it would be OK as I wouldn't be moving the point by hand; as you can guess I had no end of trouble  :veryangry: and never made that mistake again.
I was just trying to stop you (or others) from doing the same.
I'm glad to learn that it was my mistake, and not a 'beginner's howler' from you. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Sprintex on May 29, 2015, 08:48:53 AM
To fit Peco motors to N gauge track is a simple task before the points are laid but, should there be an 'incident' (eg solenoid burn out" :'() then it is next to impossible to change the motor 'in situ' >:(!

Not sure why it should be difficult to change as never used Peco, but the Seep ones are easy to change from underneath the board. I wired all mine with choc-blocks and I have two spares pre-wired, so should one fail I could probably swap it in a couple of minutes :)


Paul
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 29, 2015, 09:01:36 AM
Sorry Marcus, I must have misunderstood. On my first layout I did use point motors for those points that were out of reach in normal use - inexperience dictating it would be OK as I wouldn't be moving the point by hand; as you can guess I had no end of trouble  :veryangry: and never made that mistake again.
I was just trying to stop you (or others) from doing the same.
I'm glad to learn that it was my mistake, and not a 'beginner's howler' from you. :thumbsup:
   :beers: no worries. If you look at my layout, all but one turnouts are literally in front of me so these I have decided to keep hand operated. I noticed that when I tried the point motor yesterday it got quite warm, I'm assuming that's the norm. I may consider fitting motors to the fiddle yard if access is awkward, I'll see how it pans out.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Webbo on May 29, 2015, 09:30:00 AM

I second this NeMo, but one tip before gluing the ballast - take a lubricant such as an oil specially made for model railways (do not use any old oil) and 'paint' the point blades and all moving parts with it first. That way the glue sticks to the ballast, and does not gum up the blades.
I did this on Peltin and had no problems.

This sounds like a very useful tip. I assume that the oil being proposed is conducting oil?

Webbo
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: NeMo on May 29, 2015, 09:54:05 AM
I noticed that when I tried the point motor yesterday it got quite warm, I'm assuming that's the norm.
No, not really. What sort of point motors? Traditional point motors are simple electromagnets, and only have current flowing through them for a moment. Since current flowing through wires is what produces heat, they should only warm up across that moment the motor is operating. The rest of the time there's no current so no heat.

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: austinbob on May 29, 2015, 09:58:18 AM

I second this NeMo, but one tip before gluing the ballast - take a lubricant such as an oil specially made for model railways (do not use any old oil) and 'paint' the point blades and all moving parts with it first. That way the glue sticks to the ballast, and does not gum up the blades.
I did this on Peltin and had no problems.

This sounds like a very useful tip. I assume that the oil being proposed is conducting oil?

Webbo
I think the intention is that you clean the oil off after the ballasting is complete. Probably with IPA or similar.
 :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Newportnobby on May 29, 2015, 10:54:51 AM
I have looked at your post on your forth coming layout, very nice. I read with interest how your keeping the upper and lower track separate, I have been considering this with the additional loop I have put in and keeping it solely for DC operation, haven't made my mind up yet though. One other observation, my layout currently sits in our conservatory fitted with blinds, yet even on a day like today it gets really hot. Are you not worried that the heat my effect the track? That said, it does look very impressive. I shall keep popping over to see if I can borrow some ideas...lol  :beers:

Thanks for your kind comments about 'Kimbolted', Marcus.
As for the conservatory, if I tell you I live in Lancashire does that answer your question about heat? :doh: Seriously, though, it can get fairly hot in there but judicial use of doors/windows generally vents the worst. Underfloor heating takes the edge off winter as well.
The sundeala topped baseboards and Peco code 55 track have been out there for 3 years now with no ill effects to either ( :P to the sundeala nay-sayers)
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 29, 2015, 05:13:28 PM
I noticed that when I tried the point motor yesterday it got quite warm, I'm assuming that's the norm.
No, not really. What sort of point motors? Traditional point motors are simple electromagnets, and only have current flowing through them for a moment. Since current flowing through wires is what produces heat, they should only warm up across that moment the motor is operating. The rest of the time there's no current so no heat.

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 29, 2015, 05:19:34 PM
I noticed that when I tried the point motor yesterday it got quite warm, I'm assuming that's the norm.
No, not really. What sort of point motors? Traditional point motors are simple electromagnets, and only have current flowing through them for a moment. Since current flowing through wires is what produces heat, they should only warm up across that moment the motor is operating. The rest of the time there's no current so no heat.

Cheers, NeMo
Hi. Operated point motor under normal useage today, no heat at all. To be fair I was operating point motor constantly for a few minutes just to make sure all was as should be :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on May 29, 2015, 08:46:38 PM

I second this NeMo, but one tip before gluing the ballast - take a lubricant such as an oil specially made for model railways (do not use any old oil) and 'paint' the point blades and all moving parts with it first. That way the glue sticks to the ballast, and does not gum up the blades.
I did this on Peltin and had no problems.

This sounds like a very useful tip. I assume that the oil being proposed is conducting oil?

Webbo

I'm not entirely sure which type of oil it is but it was sold by a local model shop and is guaranteed safe for use on model railway motors. I therefore took the risk that it would be safe on pointwork too and had no problems.

Re an earlier comment about replacing under baseboard fitted point motors clipped directly to the points (as recommended by Peco - at one time anyway) I did find them very fiddly to change and decided that since my new layout was, primarily, for my own enjoyment I would not bother with them.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 30, 2015, 07:09:03 AM
It's coming on really well, Marcus, but beware making it all track and no scenery please. Personally, I'd like to see at least a third of that track hidden but maybe you have that in mind already.
    :hellosign: layout size is approx 8x4, My shed will be 8x14 so plan is to fit width wise so it will be up against the two sides leaving me with another 10 feet of running potential. I was thinking of hiding the curves at the opposite side of layout under scenery but because his will be up against shed walls I won't have any access to track should any derailments / maintenance be required. I thought about making it so scenery could lift off to gain access but this seemed very impractical. My other option would be to fit a back drop, I know this is just my personal opinion but I've never really liked the look of backdrops as I don't want to be able to see what's behind. I solved this issue with first corners simply but cutting  a hole in the board to gain access from underneath, I cant use this method for opposite corner due to more track work.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Zimonski on June 03, 2015, 06:40:14 PM

I second this NeMo, but one tip before gluing the ballast - take a lubricant such as an oil specially made for model railways (do not use any old oil) and 'paint' the point blades and all moving parts with it first. That way the glue sticks to the ballast, and does not gum up the blades.
I did this on Peltin and had no problems.

This sounds like a very useful tip. I assume that the oil being proposed is conducting oil?

Webbo

I'm not entirely sure which type of oil it is but it was sold by a local model shop and is guaranteed safe for use on model railway motors. I therefore took the risk that it would be safe on pointwork too and had no problems.

Re an earlier comment about replacing under baseboard fitted point motors clipped directly to the points (as recommended by Peco - at one time anyway) I did find them very fiddly to change and decided that since my new layout was, primarily, for my own enjoyment I would not bother with them.

I found that Peco Electrolube works ok, I dip a fine paintbrush in it and apply it to the pointblade hinges and railjoiners before fitting them.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 04, 2015, 06:32:14 AM
 :hellosign: Hi everyone. Because of work I haven't really been able to do much to the layout, I'm collecting a nice supply of scenic accessories, all ready and waiting though, once the time is right.
Whilst reading and looking at other members progress on their layouts, getting inspiration for my own, I realised that I needed  a name. How did you guys come up with yours? Was it your name ? where you live? Born etc. I live on an estate called Hollycroft, so Hollycroft, or Hollycroft Junction sprung to mind. Should layouts really be named after real locations, or can it be entirely up to you?  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 04, 2015, 06:50:52 AM

I second this NeMo, but one tip before gluing the ballast - take a lubricant such as an oil specially made for model railways (do not use any old oil) and 'paint' the point blades and all moving parts with it first. That way the glue sticks to the ballast, and does not gum up the blades.
I did this on Peltin and had no problems.

This sounds like a very useful tip. I assume that the oil being proposed is conducting oil?

Webbo
I think the intention is that you clean the oil off after the ballasting is complete. Probably with IPA or similar.
 :beers:

Hi Webbo, I must admit I didn't clean the oil off, with no adverse effects. But it did stop the glue gumming up the blades and any ballast getting between the blades and stock rail just vacuumed up in the usual way.
I did just one, on an old Settrack point, first to see if it worked and everything was fine.
When it came to the layout proper I was doing four or five a time without any concerns.
Good luck.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Zimonski on June 04, 2015, 07:23:00 AM
:hellosign: Hi everyone. Because of work I haven't really been able to do much to the layout, I'm collecting a nice supply of scenic accessories, all ready and waiting though, once the time is right.
Whilst reading and looking at other members progress on their layouts, getting inspiration for my own, I realised that I needed  a name. How did you guys come up with yours? Was it your name ? where you live? Born etc. I live on an estate called Hollycroft, so Hollycroft, or Hollycroft Junction sprung to mind. Should layouts really be named after real locations, or can it be entirely up to you?  :hmmm:

Hollycroft Junction sounds great.
If I'm ever stuck for a name I sometimes open up a map book, look away from it and randomly put my finger anywhere on the page until I hit on a name that flows. Most names seem to fit one way or another.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Sprintex on June 04, 2015, 08:39:13 AM
How did you guys come up with yours? Was it your name ? where you live? Born etc. I live on an estate called Hollycroft, so Hollycroft, or Hollycroft Junction sprung to mind. Should layouts really be named after real locations, or can it be entirely up to you?  :hmmm:


Mine is quite convoluted so rather than stuff the thread up with a long diatribe here's a link to the page on my website :) :-

Trackplan page (http://www.sprintexnet.co.uk/HTML_files/trackplan_frame.html)

About half way down the page :thumbsup:


Paul
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 04, 2015, 08:59:16 AM
How did you guys come up with yours? Was it your name ? where you live? Born etc. I live on an estate called Hollycroft, so Hollycroft, or Hollycroft Junction sprung to mind. Should layouts really be named after real locations, or can it be entirely up to you?  :hmmm:


Mine is quite convoluted so rather than stuff the thread up with a long diatribe here's a link to the page on my website :) :-

Trackplan page ([url]http://www.sprintexnet.co.uk/HTML_files/trackplan_frame.html[/url])

About half way down the page :thumbsup:


Paul


I've just seen it Paul. Quite impressive, well done. Like you I believe in having a potted history to the line rather than 'just is'. Somehow it makes the layout more believable, in my opinion.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Sprintex on June 04, 2015, 09:06:28 AM
Exactly :) Don't know about others but when I see layouts set in fictional locations I do like to read a "history" or some other explanation of where trains are coming from and going to rather than just watch seemingly random trains go past.


Paul
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 04, 2015, 10:26:42 AM

Whilst reading and looking at other members progress on their layouts, getting inspiration for my own, I realised that I needed  a name. How did you guys come up with yours? Was it your name ? where you live? Born etc. I live on an estate called Hollycroft, so Hollycroft, or Hollycroft Junction sprung to mind. Should layouts really be named after real locations, or can it be entirely up to you?  :hmmm:

It's an interesting question and obviously depends on the layout and personal preferences. There is nothing to prevent you from using "Hollycroft" or "Hollycroft Junction" as a name.
A slavish copy of a real location obviously should have its real name, for examples an accurate representation of "Westbury" in Wiltshire, but  might be renamed "Eastbury" or "Westberry" if your layout is simply based on a major junction using that place for inspiration. Another example, from this site, is "St Christopher's Green" which is a fictional location named in honour of a great railwayman or another example would be to place a layout in a real town or city but name it after a famous modeller - "Exeter (St. Cyril's)" or "Birmingham (Freezer Road)" are examples of what I mean (old time modellers will need no reminding of this great man). :thumbsup: or someone into astronomy as well might build a model of Birmingham Moor Street but rename it "Birmingham Moore Street" after the late Sir Patrick Moore.
My own inspiration came from visiting a famous West Country holiday resort one August bank holiday - hence the name "Peltin Down"! ::) Need I say more? ;)
Television can also provide names, such as "Aidensfield" (from the popular series 'Heartbeat' or a quiet holiday location might be named "Snozel Bay" (pronounced Snoozel Bay) after a selection of letters chosen at random on the gameshow Countdown one day.
Another idea is to study railway history and a real line which was proposed, but never built (there a plenty of examples) which gives you a real location but a fictional layout :), in some ways the best of both worlds.   
Basically there are hundreds of ways of choosing a name for the layout; as with so much in this hobby it is personal circumstances, choice and what sounds good to you.
And when you have chosen a name there is no reason to stick with it if you want to change it later. :hmmm:
It is a personal thing to me but, along with the name, try to invent a history of the line if you can. It somehow gives the layout more realism if you know what its 'background' is. If you know the history you can imagine the types of train to use the route, what kinds of industry have grown up along the line or in the town which in turn dictates the sorts of wagons you will be running - that kind of thing.
Good luck with it all,
Greg.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Webbo on June 04, 2015, 12:35:51 PM
My layout is named after the South Dakotan town where Wild Bill Hickock was murdered. It was a town filled with miners, prostitutes, gamblers, swindlers, and unsavoury types. For me, the name is evocative of a location out in the sticks, a bit crazy, and without pretension and that is the impression I want to convey with my layout even though its imagined locale is south central British Columbia which is a thousand kilometres away from its namesake. The very last thing that I would do is name my layout after a location that evokes images of gentile folk sitting around having cups of tea.

Webbo
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Newportnobby on June 04, 2015, 01:16:59 PM
It was a town filled with miners, prostitutes, gamblers, swindlers, and unsavoury types.

Looks like I might have to rename my big layout 'Leyland' then :laugh3:
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Caz on June 04, 2015, 08:13:30 PM
Here's how I came up with my layout name, http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=7404.msg83678#msg83678 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=7404.msg83678#msg83678)

And here's a link to the start of the "layout name" thread.  http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=7404.msg83653#msg83653 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=7404.msg83653#msg83653)
Title: Hollycroft
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 09, 2015, 09:49:27 PM
 :hellosign: Hi again.
I have decided to call my layout "Hollycroft" after where I live. I read with interest comments made by other members on how they named their layouts. Hinckley was famous for its hosiery industry,but I just couldn't think of a name to reflect that, so Hollycroft was chosen as it's the name of the estate I live on.
I have completed more of the ballesting, very time consuming but it's something that can't be rushed. I purchased some Gaugemaster buffer stop lights, fitted them to the layout, it took mere seconds but my only real negative is that they seem a little to bright as shown in the picture. It's all going good at the moment with no real issues, looking forward to the shed arriving so the wife can stop moaning about wanting the conservatory back 😁(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on June 09, 2015, 10:30:38 PM
Looking good. Keep us posted with more photos of you progress please.
Tread carefully don't upset the wife ,we don't want another trench shovel video one was enough , even Val said that it was a shame that Alan Plumb had made a very nice layout and then smashed it to bits.
See earlier post if your not sure what I'm talking about or see it on Utube Shed Engineering.
Bob
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 10, 2015, 05:26:17 AM
 :thumbsup: That's all looking good so far Marcus.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 10, 2015, 07:22:59 AM
Looking good. Keep us posted with more photos of you progress please.
Tread carefully don't upset the wife ,we don't want another trench shovel video one was enough , even Val said that it was a shame that Alan Plumb had made a very nice layout and then smashed it to bits.
See earlier post if your not sure what I'm talking about or see it on Utube Shed Engineering.
Bob
Thx for your comment. I had a look at the YouTube video, OMG! I watched his post on his roadway he was building, using cable to move a tractor only just a couple of days ago. Seeing him smash that gorgeous layout was hard to watch, it's my dream to have something of that quality, My modelling skills will never come close to Alan's, such a shame, all that hard work and emotional attachment to the layout. I had a look at your layout, simply stunning. What are the dimensions? I get a lot of inspiration looking at other members builds and yours is no exception. Luckily my wife supports me 100%, whenever we go to any shows, Geb will always surprise me with a little something she picked up saying " this will look good on your track" mind you, this may have something to do with the fact she has a horse and believe me, the cost of that makes what I spend on N gauge look insignificant......Lol. :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 10, 2015, 07:26:08 AM
:thumbsup: That's all looking good so far Marcus.
Thx. Going to be a huge challenge for me, especially when it comes to the scenery. ???
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 10, 2015, 07:36:22 AM
:thumbsup: That's all looking good so far Marcus.
Thx. Going to be a huge challenge for me, especially when it comes to the scenery. ???

Join the club. Others make scenic work look easy - I make it look like it was done by an idiot! :dunce:
It's not as simple as it looks, sadly.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: railsquid on June 10, 2015, 07:39:48 AM
:thumbsup: That's all looking good so far Marcus.
Thx. Going to be a huge challenge for me, especially when it comes to the scenery. ???

Join the club. Others make scenic work look easy - I make it look like it was done by an idiot! :dunce:
It's not as simple as it looks, sadly.

I'm considering renaming my layout to "Plywood Barrens".
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Bealman on June 10, 2015, 07:50:28 AM
 :laughabovepost:

Seriously, Marcus, your layout is sizing up nicely. The ballasting looks very neat indeed, and if you are worried about the brightness of the LEDs at the buffer stops, it's a simple matter to add a series resistor to dim 'em down.  :beers:

George
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on June 10, 2015, 09:02:49 AM
Thankyou for your comments Marcus I've sent you a PM with more details of my layout .
Bob
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 10, 2015, 03:12:29 PM
 :hellosign: I have completed my test area, this will be a free standing part of the layout so I can get access to the track for maintenance purposes. My plan is to practice my non existent modeling skills before even thinking abou the main build. I'm thinking along the lines of a small town or village using metcalfe kits. I purchased red brick sheets from the metcalfe range not realising they were made from sturdy card, I thought they were paper, I will see how they look once I start to place onto my test subject. Once complete I'll put a photo on and see (Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
what you think..... :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: paulprice on June 10, 2015, 03:36:21 PM
I have used the brick papers  on my layout quite a bit and they don't look to bad, and that's from someone who has always used plasti-card for making buildings
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/23/thumb_25780.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=25780)
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 10, 2015, 04:05:21 PM
I have used the brick papers  on my layout quite a bit and they don't look to bad, and that's from someone who has always used plasti-card for making buildings
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/23/thumb_25780.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=25780[/url])
Hi. Thx. Very nice looking layout. I can only hope.....Lol
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 10, 2015, 05:28:45 PM
Looking great Marcus. Metcalf buildings are about the best on the market in my opinion, but I did find building a whole street of shops very repetitive.
Good luck with the rest, you've made a stunning start. :thumbsup: :D
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: paulprice on June 10, 2015, 05:30:34 PM
Marcus

I bet your layout turns out to be a cracker, the track plan already looks interesting, and with nice flowing curved sections too, you will have to keep posting updates
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 10, 2015, 11:42:14 PM
 
The layout is looking Grand Marcus, to think how far you have come in such a short period of time!

 :hellosign: hi Steve. You back in the model railway world again?
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 10, 2015, 11:52:24 PM
Looking great Marcus. Metcalf buildings are about the best on the market in my opinion, but I did find building a whole street of shops very repetitive.
Good luck with the rest, you've made a stunning start. :thumbsup: :D
Thx. I puchased several houses and yes, after making the same building over and over, it does get a tad repetitive, so I started on a corner shop, just to build something different..they look good though  :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: paulprice on June 11, 2015, 06:42:49 AM
Does this men your turning into an Evil Victorian landowner? with all that property you will pressurising the council to name the town after you

Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Bealman on June 11, 2015, 07:11:46 AM
 :laughabovepost:

Marcuston has a nice ring to it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 11, 2015, 07:38:53 AM
:laughabovepost:

Marcuston has a nice ring to it  :thumbsup:

Or Marcusville ;)
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on June 11, 2015, 09:08:55 AM
While I enjoy doing the scenery and wiring up the layout one thing I can't do is buildings I've tried plastic kits and cardboard but they never look square and the corners always leave a lot to be desired, so all my buildings are Lydle End or the old plaster S D Mouldings so I admire people like you who have the patience to build so many .
Last year at Conway there was a layout can't remember the name and it was covered in Metcalfe buildings it looked great .
By the way how many members are going this year it's going to be a good show again, shame it's only one day but at least on Sunday we are going on the rail trip.
WELL DONE MARCUS FOR YOUR BUILDINGS.
BOB
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: paulprice on June 11, 2015, 09:10:42 AM
Come on Marcus get some photo's loaded we can't wait to see your progress
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Trev on June 11, 2015, 10:32:41 AM

Last year at Conway there was a layout can't remember the name and it was covered in Metcalfe buildings it looked great .
By the way how many members are going this year it's going to be a good show again, shame it's only one day but at least on Sunday we are going on the rail trip.
WELL DONE MARCUS FOR YOUR BUILDINGS.
BOB
Hi Bob,
I'm a member of the Conwy group and one of our members is prolific at building the Metcalfe kits, he loves them. As well as what you saw on "Nevilleston" we have quite a number of boxes in storage packed with many more of the finished Metcalfe kits all made by this one member.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Newportnobby on June 11, 2015, 10:35:07 AM

Last year at Conway there was a layout can't remember the name and it was covered in Metcalfe buildings it looked great .



@Bob Tidbury (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=3442) Nevilleston was the layout, Bob, and I believe it's booked for this years event too............
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/thumb_13766.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13766)
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: paulprice on June 11, 2015, 10:43:18 AM
I need a bigger layout
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on June 11, 2015, 10:47:42 AM
I need to win the lottery to build a new even bigger layout in the the new house with the new car and motor home ,Well I can dream can't I?
Bob
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: paulprice on June 11, 2015, 10:49:57 AM
I already have plans hatching form my next layout, and I have not completed Foster Street yet, then there is the minimum space 00 one I have been plotting for years too............
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 11, 2015, 10:50:35 AM
I need a bigger layout


 :laughabovepost: :D  EVERYONE wants a bigger layout. I was once happy with a 6'x4' in OO. I now have an (almost) dedicated railway room with a 23'x2' baseboard (+7' fiddle yard) terminus to fiddle layout and trying to convince SWMBO that a nice branch line along the landing to that unused extra bedroom might be a good idea!
She seems less than convinced! :no: >:(
No matter how much room you have it is never quite enough. :'(
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: paulprice on June 11, 2015, 10:54:13 AM
I have quite a large loft I could use but with w 5'5" internal height and my 6'7" I have almost popped my head through the roof on many many occasions, then there was the time I fell out of the loft hatch and crashed through my N gauge layout below....Oh happy days
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on June 11, 2015, 10:58:45 AM
Western Princes ,   23ft is even longer than mine by 3ft is yours end to end or roundy roundy because I just love watching trains go by although one of my mates has started to do a bit of shunting in the yard now I'm experimenting with Dapol easy shunt couplings he even manages to push the wagons without them re coupling.clever devil I can't they always re couple for me.
Bob
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 11, 2015, 11:03:40 AM
Western Princes ,   23ft is even longer than mine by 3ft is yours end to end or roundy roundy because I just love watching trains go by although one of my mates has started to do a bit of shunting in the yard now I'm experimenting with Dapol easy shunt couplings he even manages to push the wagons without them re coupling.clever devil I can't they always re couple for me.
Bob

I used to have a 'roundy-roundy' layout and it was great for watching the trains go by at speed but got a bit dull to operate, hence my terminus.
I was looking at these 'easy shunt' couplings and was wondering how easy they are to fit to existing stock?
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on June 11, 2015, 11:10:44 AM
Western Princes  If you have NEM pockets they are a straight replacement but Dapol do sell a NEM coupling pocket adapter kit there are posts on here detailing how .I haven't tried a conversion yet it looks a bit too fiddly for my hands at my age I have 4 thumbs and one finger now.or even 5 thumbs sometimes.
Bob
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 11, 2015, 11:19:03 AM
Western Princes  If you have NEM pockets they are a straight replacement but Dapol do sell a NEM coupling pocket adapter kit there are posts on here detailing how .I haven't tried a conversion yet it looks a bit too fiddly for my hands at my age I have 4 thumbs and one finger now.or even 5 thumbs sometimes.
Bob

 :laughabovepost: Thanks. I know the problems re the hands + failing sight as you get older doesn't help. I presume then that fitting these couplings to Peco kits is out of the question, at least without a lot of 'hacking'?
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 11, 2015, 02:37:55 PM
 :wave: Hi all. Had a good sesion last night on covering what will be by test village/ town with the metcalfe red brick card. It wasn't as difficult as I thought it would be seeing as I was expecting paper sheets not card. Luckily my wife had a brown permanent marker pen to hide all the fold scores that was a perfect match.( how difficult can it be for metcalfe to use brown, not white card in their kits?) I need to add the finer detailing, looking on eBay for drain pipes, posters, graffiti etc. The one thing I'm struggling to decide on is what colour or finish to use on the top wall copping, looking again on good old Google, a grey concrete type finish/ colour seems appropriate. So, do I use grey paint or cover in printed paper that may be fiddly as working area is very narrow. Overall, I'm happy with how it looks and hopefully look better once added detailing applied.  :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 11, 2015, 02:40:44 PM
I need to win the lottery to build a new even bigger layout in the the new house with the new car and motor home ,Well I can dream can't I?
Bob
Blimey Bob, 20x8 not big enough?? Besides, I'm going to win the lottery before you...Lol :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Biggy on June 12, 2015, 08:39:17 PM
Wow. Really impressed was thinking of posting pics of my latest layout. Not sure now!   :-[

But really nice layout well done
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 12, 2015, 09:31:42 PM
Wow. Really impressed was thinking of posting pics of my latest layout. Not sure now!   :-[

But really nice layout well done
:hellosign: Thx for comment.  Seriously,  you must post photo's of your layout. We can all learn from each other. I have  had numerous pointers from other members and believe me, it's been invaluable.  I have looked at other layouts that look absolutely superb but that hasn't put me off, I'm a complete novice and if I'm happy with the way my layouts looking, that's all that matters. It's your layout, we're here to help so go on, post those pictures.  :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 13, 2015, 06:24:30 PM
 :hellosign: Hi all.
Took a bit of time out on the ballesting, I was getting a little bog eyed so I started working on the concrete base for my goods in shed. I purchased a sheet of thick card, strengthend the edges then put deep score marks to represent large concrete slabs. When it came to painting, I went to my local B&Q and looked at their pots of sample paint, I tried a various of colours until I found this one, Perfect, looks just like concrete so I'm really happy with the result. Well, that's it for now, wife wants to drag me off to see Jurasic Park( I wanted to carry on) catch you later. :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: paulprice on June 13, 2015, 07:31:18 PM
looking good
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 14, 2015, 07:30:48 PM
 :beers: well, that's it for today. I'm happy with my progress so far, busy week ahead with work so things will probably slow down a little. Looking forward to my airgun and compressor from good old eBay, nowhere near ready for it yet but I'm going t have a go at weathering an old 00 wagon lying around. Have a good evening, I'm off for a pear Cider...... :wave:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: paulprice on June 14, 2015, 08:08:12 PM
looking good, keep the updates coming
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 18, 2015, 09:36:07 AM
 :hellosign: Had a lovely Birthday surprise from my wife, a class 55, this looks gorgeous running on my layout. Well happy and a fab addition to my new collection. :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on June 18, 2015, 10:37:47 AM
Very nice, Marcus :thumbsup:
My 'Pinza' is a lovely runner.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: paulprice on June 18, 2015, 10:44:26 AM
Even as a STEAM fan I have always had a soft spot for Deltics, I blame the Lima Meld I had as a child.

I even have a prototype deltic in my fleet at the moment, but don't think it will be too long before a green liveried one mysteriously appears  ::)

You will have to post more pictures of your fleet
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 18, 2015, 04:19:40 PM
Even as a STEAM fan I have always had a soft spot for Deltics, I blame the Lima Meld I had as a child.

I even have a prototype deltic in my fleet at the moment, but don't think it will be too long before a green liveried one mysteriously appears  ::)

You will have to post more pictures of your fleet
This deltic is a Graham Farish model. It's a beauty!
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 18, 2015, 04:23:08 PM
Very nice, Marcus :thumbsup:
My 'Pinza' is a lovely runner.
She runs brilliantly, so smooth, even over point work. Ironically, Geb picked it because she liked the colour...Lol, luckily it was digital fitted.  :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 19, 2015, 07:11:42 PM
 :hellosign: ballesting 99% complete on this part of layout. Really pleased with result. Had a couple of issues with glue on pointwork but a little rub with track rubber resolved that. The loco's all ran perfectly, although with the ballasting, I noticed a slight increase in track noise, (Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
but nothing really to worry about. Again, very happy with result and looking forward to the next phase. :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on June 19, 2015, 09:12:56 PM
Looks very neat, Marcus :thumbsup:

with the ballasting, I noticed a slight increase in track noise but nothing really to worry about.


Not surprising - baseboard surface + wooden frame/braces creates a drum and the track noise will resonate through the ballast onto the drum.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 19, 2015, 10:22:17 PM
Looks very neat, Marcus :thumbsup:

with the ballasting, I noticed a slight increase in track noise but nothing really to worry about.


Not surprising - baseboard surface + wooden frame/braces creates a drum and the track noise will resonate through the ballast onto the drum.
glad I used underlay, although I wonder if by the time you've ballasted, it would really make that much difference.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Sprintex on June 19, 2015, 10:24:24 PM
Looks very neat, Marcus :thumbsup:

with the ballasting, I noticed a slight increase in track noise but nothing really to worry about.


Not surprising - baseboard surface + wooden frame/braces creates a drum and the track noise will resonate through the ballast onto the drum.

glad I used underlay, although I wonder if by the time you've ballasted, it would really make that much difference.

 :no:


Paul
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: paulprice on June 20, 2015, 09:13:22 AM
I quite like the noise after you have ballasted the track
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Bealman on June 20, 2015, 09:18:55 AM
I've always said that ballasting track increases the noise - and it does - but hey I can live with it - I like it. DCC types can fit sound anyway.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 20, 2015, 10:39:50 AM
Looks very neat, Marcus :thumbsup:

with the ballasting, I noticed a slight increase in track noise but nothing really to worry about.


Not surprising - baseboard surface + wooden frame/braces creates a drum and the track noise will resonate through the ballast onto the drum.

Ah, but that 'noise' can be used to advantage particularly with the 'clickety clack, clickety clack' of traditional joined track. :)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Sprintex on June 20, 2015, 10:45:26 AM
Easily recreated even if using long lengths of flexi ;)

Rather than open up existing track joins just file notches in both rails every so often - I've done this on mine and it's very effective, not to mention evocative :thumbsup:


Paul
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Bealman on June 20, 2015, 10:54:39 AM
Yep, an old trick advocated I think by Cyril Freezer in the 60s.... but it works admirably!

On ya Paul! (In me best Australian).... :uneasy:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 20, 2015, 11:20:22 AM
Yep, an old trick advocated I think by Cyril Freezer in the 60s.... but it works admirably!

On ya Paul! (In me best Australian).... :uneasy:

Most things were - the church on 'Peltin Down' is not called 'St. Cyril's' without reason. :angel:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on June 20, 2015, 08:30:00 PM

Easily recreated even if using long lengths of flexi ;)

Rather than open up existing track joins just file notches in both rails every so often - I've done this on mine and it's very effective, not to mention evocative :thumbsup:


Paul

Oddly enough I did that on a layout about 25 years ago but when I posted on the forum suggesting it I got a rocket from Etched Pixels (I think) about creating somewhere for crud to accumulate. Since then, although using flexitrack, I have used short sections in some areas to create the effect.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 20, 2015, 08:40:59 PM
 :hellosign: Reading the last couple of posts about the clickerty clack made by the wheels going over joins in the track, I'm thinking, have I just wasted all my time with a small needle file trying to eliminate said clickerty clack when this is perfectly normal and adds to the realism to the layout? I have been trying to get my loco's and rolling stock to run as quietly as possible, especially over point work. At least now I don't have to worry about this anymore. You learn things every day.... :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 20, 2015, 09:13:45 PM
:hellosign: Reading the last couple of posts about the clickerty clack made by the wheels going over joins in the track, I'm thinking, have I just wasted all my time with a small needle file trying to eliminate said clickerty clack when this is perfectly normal and adds to the realism to the layout? I have been trying to get my loco's and rolling stock to run as quietly as possible, especially over point work. At least now I don't have to worry about this anymore. You learn things every day.... :beers:

Marcus, there are NO totally silent trains whether steam, diesel or electric powered. Why worry about noises from the rails in model form?
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 21, 2015, 05:54:45 AM
:hellosign: Reading the last couple of posts about the clickerty clack made by the wheels going over joins in the track, I'm thinking, have I just wasted all my time with a small needle file trying to eliminate said clickerty clack when this is perfectly normal and adds to the realism to the layout? I have been trying to get my loco's and rolling stock to run as quietly as possible, especially over point work. At least now I don't have to worry about this anymore. You learn things every day.... :beers:
I won't anymore 👍

Marcus, there are NO totally silent trains whether steam, diesel or electric powered. Why worry about noises from the rails in model form?
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 21, 2015, 06:03:46 AM
I have quite a large loft I could use but with w 5'5" internal height and my 6'7" I have almost popped my head through the roof on many many occasions, then there was the time I fell out of the loft hatch and crashed through my N gauge layout below....Oh happy days
I have a large loft space available also but like you with just over 5'5" floor to roof I would have to constantly be in the crouch position. I'll stick with new shed with 7' eves. :D
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 21, 2015, 06:45:11 AM
I'll stick with new shed with 7' eves. :D


Seven foot tall Eve's, Marcus?  :worried:  My, what tall ladies you know  ;)

Oh, sorry, I see what you mean now. :-[

 :)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: paulprice on June 21, 2015, 12:29:16 PM
I want a shed, I want a shed, I want a shed :-X
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 21, 2015, 12:34:42 PM
I want a shed, I want a shed, I want a shed :-X

Might I ask, is that ONE shed, or THREE sheds? :confused2:   :D
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: paulprice on June 21, 2015, 12:40:17 PM
one would be good, three would be better,
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 21, 2015, 12:50:33 PM
I'll stick with new shed with 7' eves. :D


Seven foot tall Eve's, Marcus?  :worried:  My, what tall ladies you know  ;)

Oh, sorry, I see what you mean now. :-[ Lol...😜

 :)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 25, 2015, 08:07:01 PM
 :hellosign: I thought I would have a go at trying to make something look disused and abandoned. I'm a long way off general scenery work but wanted to see what I could produce. I would appreciate any advice good or bad. Thx guys :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on June 25, 2015, 09:24:38 PM
That looks suitably abandoned, Marcus :goggleeyes:
I'd suggest adding some greenery between the tracks to simulate weeds etc :hmmm:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 25, 2015, 10:54:48 PM
That looks suitably abandoned, Marcus :goggleeyes:
I'd suggest adding some greenery between the tracks to simulate weeds etc :hmmm:
my static grass applicator arrived today, I'm going to give it a quick try this weekend and have a go at tuffs/weeds etc. thx for your comment :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 26, 2015, 06:17:09 PM
 :hellosign: Hi guys. Just a quick post on a name for my layout. I came up with "Marcroft Shed Railway" (from my name and where I live) I also thought about Junction/Valley etc. any thoughts? ( No offence will be taken......Lol.) :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on June 26, 2015, 09:13:43 PM
I think I prefer just Marcroft Junction :hmmm:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 26, 2015, 09:14:51 PM
:hellosign: I thought I would have a go at trying to make something look disused and abandoned. I'm a long way off general scenery work but wanted to see what I could produce. I would appreciate any advice good or bad. Thx guys :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Marcus, definitely post Beeching! A very impressive bit of modelling, if I might say so.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 26, 2015, 09:18:21 PM
:hellosign: Hi guys. Just a quick post on a name for my layout. I came up with "Marcroft Shed Railway" (from my name and where I live) I also thought about Junction/Valley etc. any thoughts? ( No offence will be taken......Lol.) :beers:

Well, it is your railway, but I agree with Neportnobby that something like Marcroft Junction or Marcroft Valley sound more plausible as names.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 26, 2015, 11:40:33 PM
Marcroft Junction it is. To be honest, this was my favourite. At least now it's official.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 27, 2015, 07:15:57 PM
The new home for Marcroft Junction arrived this morning, once carpet arrives I'll be moving in ( including the bed, the wife keeps telling me..Lol). I had a go using my static grass applicator on just a small section of track, quite happy with the results. The road surface needs to be weathered so I will experiment on the same section before tackling anything bigger. All in all not a bad day. :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 28, 2015, 08:37:40 AM
All seems to be going well Marcus. I look forward to hearing more.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 28, 2015, 09:08:23 AM
All seems to be going well Marcus. I look forward to hearing more.
thx. I'm happy with the effect using the static grass applicator but looking at the pictures I've posted,the lighter green looks out of place. I'm going to try and blend the too shades together. This area will be my Guinee pig before even attempting anything else, I need to get this part right or it's going to look a tad naff. It's also a littl flat so I need to add varying height to the grass as it looks a little like velvet at the minute. Even at this early stage, the one thing that's so apparent to me is get this part wrong,and it could easily spoil the look of the whole layout.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 28, 2015, 09:36:34 AM
All seems to be going well Marcus. I look forward to hearing more.
thx. I'm happy with the effect using the static grass applicator but looking at the pictures I've posted,the lighter green looks out of place. I'm going to try and blend the too shades together. This area will be my Guinee pig before even attempting anything else, I need to get this part right or it's going to look a tad naff. It's also a littl flat so I need to add varying height to the grass as it looks a little like velvet at the minute. Even at this early stage, the one thing that's so apparent to me is get this part wrong,and it could easily spoil the look of the whole layout.  :hmmm:

It's the scenic side which I find utterly incomprehensible and as baffling as computers  :confused2:. You are not alone in struggling over this side of layout building. :no:
Oh for the 1950s where a slab of green paint meant a field while a blue line was a river. OK, it wasn't quite that basic even then but at least it was easier to meet the average standards than today! :worried: :-[
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 28, 2015, 11:48:27 AM
All seems to be going well Marcus. I look forward to hearing more.
thx. I'm happy with the effect using the static grass applicator but looking at the pictures I've posted,the lighter green looks out of place. I'm going to try and blend the too shades together. This area will be my Guinee pig before even attempting anything else, I need to get this part right or it's going to look a tad naff. It's also a littl flat so I need to add varying height to the grass as it looks a little like velvet at the minute. Even at this early stage, the one thing that's so apparent to me is get this part wrong,and it could easily spoil the look of the whole layout.  :hmmm:

It's the scenic side which I find utterly incomprehensible and as baffling as computers  :confused2:. You are not alone in struggling over this side of layout building. :no:
Oh for the 1950s where a slab of green paint meant a field while a blue line was a river. OK, it wasn't quite that basic even then but at least it was easier to meet the average standards than today! :worried: :-[
Definitely, it's the scenery that's makes the layout, not so much the running of the loco's. I don't expect to produce anything close to members who have been building layouts for over however many years. I am amazed though, looking at images of other layouts built my first timers, and have simply been blown away at the quality of their workmanship. Some people are obviously simply very gifted as some of these look at good,if not better than those with 20+ years experience under their belt.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: port perran on June 28, 2015, 07:11:08 PM
Looks very good indeed methinks.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Skyline2uk on June 28, 2015, 09:24:34 PM
Very nice work indeed with the abandoned goods shed, complete with grafiti. I wonder if the little toe-rags who did that are the same ones who did my retaining wall  :hmmm:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 29, 2015, 12:52:16 PM
 :hmmm:I wasn't happy with the "flat" look of my abanded goods shed so I spent a little time last night adding a little more depth. I'm a lot happier with the result now, (Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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and feel a little more confident tackling other parts of layout once I'm ready. It's one big learning curve.... :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 29, 2015, 12:53:53 PM
Very nice work indeed with the abandoned goods shed, complete with grafiti. I wonder if the little toe-rags who did that are the same ones who did my retaining wall  :hmmm:

Skyline2uk
probably........Lol :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on June 29, 2015, 12:59:32 PM
:hmmm:I wasn't happy with the "flat" look of my abanded goods shed so I spent a little time last night adding a little more depth. I'm a lot happier with the result now, (Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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and feel a little more confident tackling other parts of layout once I'm ready. It's one big learning curve.... :beers:

 :confused1:  You are NOT happy with this level??  I'd be delighted with it if I had one even half as good.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on June 29, 2015, 04:02:23 PM
Looks great, Marcus :thumbsup:
May I suggest a couple of strategically placed trees and some more bushy 'weeds' on the platform to the right of the derelict shed? :hmmm:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 29, 2015, 04:24:33 PM
Looks great, Marcus :thumbsup:
May I suggest a couple of strategically placed trees and some more bushy 'weeds' on the platform to the right of the derelict shed? :hmmm:
Thx.  I'm actually waiting for trees I ordered from China to arrive,  kinder hoping they would have arrived by now. I was thinking earlier that side of the platform was looking a little sparse. I was looking at possibly a hoist or something similar, I'm just waiting for the next model exhibition in my area as ebay seems so expensive.  Thx again for your comment. :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on June 29, 2015, 04:33:40 PM
I was thinking earlier that side of the platform was looking a little sparse. I was looking at possibly a hoist or something similar,

Glad we're on the same wavelength, Marcus. Yeah - a small yard crane or similar would be just right.
Suitably rusty, of course :D
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 29, 2015, 08:42:21 PM
Thanks to a suggestion from Newportnobby I have finally finished this part of the layout. I will eventually place a hoist or something similar and a few trees once they arrive. I started here as a test to try out my abilities regarding scenery work. I'm happy with how things are going so I will now continue onto next part of layout now I feel more confident..... :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: port perran on June 29, 2015, 08:56:40 PM
That does look good indeed.
Looking forward to the rest of the layout.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: scotsoft on June 29, 2015, 09:28:06 PM
I really like your abandoned goods shed area, it is very realistic  :NGaugersRule:

cheers John.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on June 29, 2015, 10:46:22 PM
Great stuff, Marcus :thumbsup:
We're in for a treat so keep us posted on progress please.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 30, 2015, 06:51:52 AM
:hmmm:I wasn't happy with the "flat" look of my abanded goods shed so I spent a little time last night adding a little more depth. I'm a lot happier with the result now, (Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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and feel a little more confident tackling other parts of layout once I'm ready. It's one big learning curve.... :beers:
:thumbsup: looking at images on Google makes a great reference point. I also looked at YouTube demos from other modellers showing various ways to achieve the look your after. 

 :confused1:  You are NOT happy with this level??  I'd be delighted with it if I had one even half as good.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 30, 2015, 06:54:42 AM
I really like your abandoned goods shed area, it is very realistic  :NGaugersRule:

cheers John.
:thankyousign:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 30, 2015, 08:23:08 AM
Just another imageI couldn't upload before for some reason. :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 05, 2015, 04:42:28 PM
 :hellosign: I had ago at a little more of the scenery work. It's so easy to get carried away. My first attempt at weathering hasn't  turned out to bad, my concrete base the goods in shed was sitting on was far to clean, but I'm happy with overall look. I'm hoping to get building lights connected and see how that looks tonight. If all goes ok, I'll post night images( if it works ok...Lol) :hmmm:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on July 05, 2015, 04:56:51 PM
Cracking work, Marcus. Well done :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Caz on July 05, 2015, 09:32:35 PM
Great stuff but think the weigh bridge could do with a little weathering as well.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 05, 2015, 10:14:15 PM
Great stuff but think the weigh bridge could do with a little weathering as well.   :thumbsup:
Thx. Funny you mention the weigh bridge, I was just looking at it 10 mins ago and thinking it needs to blend in more with its surroundings. My next little project will be to achieve this. I purchased a bag of coal from my local model shop on Friday but for the life of me, can I find it? Puzzling!. I was intending to use this around the weigh bridge area, I'll just have to buy another bag, and be more careful what I do with it this time..Lol.  :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 05, 2015, 10:22:59 PM
Cracking work, Marcus. Well done :thumbsup:
humph! Trees arrived from China, wrong flipping colour!! Nice little model trees but I ordered the wrong shade, they are to bright in relation to the rest of layout. Never mind, at just £8.00 for 100, I'll just have to re order. :)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: scotsoft on July 05, 2015, 10:26:03 PM
Cracking work, Marcus. Well done :thumbsup:
humph! Trees arrived from China, wrong flipping colour!! Nice little model trees but I ordered the wrong shade, they are to bright in relation to the rest of layout. Never mind, at just £8.00 for 100, I'll just have to re order. :)

Marcus,

You might want to try using strong hairspray on a couple of the trees and dip them in some scatter the correct colour to see if that will rectify the situation  :thumbsup:

cheers John.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 05, 2015, 10:39:48 PM
Cracking work, Marcus. Well done :thumbsup:
humph! Trees arrived from China, wrong flipping colour!! Nice little model trees but I ordered the wrong shade, they are to bright in relation to the rest of layout. Never mind, at just £8.00 for 100, I'll just have to re order. :)
thx John. I did actually try that this morning without much success. I found that the scatter couldn't quite get into all the corners, so too speak with original shade still in evidence. I'll just see if I can incorporate them into second part of layout. If not, Ebay. Thanks though for your tip. :thankyousign:

Marcus,

You might want to try using strong hairspray on a couple of the trees and dip them in some scatter the correct colour to see if that will rectify the situation  :thumbsup:

cheers John.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: paulprice on July 06, 2015, 06:18:30 PM
looking good, looking very good
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 10, 2015, 06:28:52 PM
 :hellosign: well, I think that's about it for this part of layout. I've fitted some led yard lights, had a go at weathering the road surface and placed some barrels and crates onto the goods shed. Overall I'm quite pleased with result. Tomorrow I'll start to actually connect the lights up and see what they look like.  :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Bob Tidbury on July 10, 2015, 07:57:24 PM
Starting to look realy good Marcus ,One thing I did notice is one corner of the hard standing round the goods shed looks a bit to high just my thought, but only a minor thing .
Bob
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: port perran on July 10, 2015, 08:01:25 PM
Starting to look realy good Marcus ,One thing I did notice is one corner of the hard standing round the goods shed looks a bit to high just my thought, but only a minor thing .
Bob
I agree - this is looking really good. That hard standing would look better "moulded" into the scenery a bit more but maybe you are yet to get round to that ? 
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 10, 2015, 08:10:22 PM
Starting to look realy good Marcus ,One thing I did notice is one corner of the hard standing round the goods shed looks a bit to high just my thought, but only a minor thing .
Bob
I have some walling to assemble that I intend to place around this part of the hard standing, once I have completed this I will again post not her image. :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on July 10, 2015, 09:02:42 PM
Overall I'm quite pleased with result.

And so you should be. All it needs now is the walling and the new batch of trees :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 10, 2015, 09:40:45 PM
Overall I'm quite pleased with result.

And so you should be. All it needs now is the walling and the new batch of trees :thumbsup:I've ordered another batch from China, about 3 weeks and they should arrive. Don't know why I ordered trees of such a light colour. I'm going to attemp making my own security fencing using mesh ribbon from one off my customers. I'll let you know how I get on.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 12, 2015, 09:05:38 PM
 :hellosign: Hi guys. Just a quick post on something I knocked up. I am trying to make everything myself rather than buy it ready made. This is just a very rough test price on some security fencing. I'm not 100% sure if the height is correct at 15mm or the post spacing. any thoughts on that would be appreciated. What do you think? Be honest, I won't be offended. If buying is the better option, I'll go with that.  :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: PostModN66 on July 12, 2015, 09:11:08 PM
:hellosign: Hi guys. Just a quick post on something I knocked up. I am trying to make everything myself rather than buy it ready made. This is just a very rough test price on some security fencing. I'm not 100% sure if the height is correct at 15mm, any thoughts on that would be appreciated. What do you think? Be honest, I won't be offended. If buying is the better option, I'll go with that.  :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

Hi Marcus,

It looks pretty good to me.  The mesh is somewhat overscale, but to buy the ready made fencing is horrifically expensive, so I would say, if it looks good in situ on the layout, go for it!

15mm seems OK as well.  Real fencing like this I think starts at 6ft and goes much taller, so you are in the zone.

You could try making the posts a little longer then bending them over and sticking fine wire or thread to them to represent the barbed wire you often see at the top - but it could be a bit fiddly!

Cheers  Jon  :)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 12, 2015, 10:59:18 PM
:hellosign: Hi guys. Just a quick post on something I knocked up. I am trying to make everything myself rather than buy it ready made. This is just a very rough test price on some security fencing. I'm not 100% sure if the height is correct at 15mm, any thoughts on that would be appreciated. What do you think? Be honest, I won't be offended. If buying is the better option, I'll go with that.  :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

Hi Marcus,

It looks pretty good to me.  The mesh is somewhat overscale, but to buy the ready made fencing is horrifically expensive, so I would say, if it looks good in situ on the layout, go for it!

15mm seems OK as well.  Real fencing like this I think starts at 6ft and goes much taller, so you are in the zone.

You could try making the posts a little longer then bending them over and sticking fine wire or thread to them to represent the barbed wire you often see at the top - but it could be a bit fiddly!

Cheers  Jon  :)
thx Jon. I will give trying the barbed wire a go and see how fiddly it is or isn't. I'll let you know how I get on :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 12, 2015, 11:07:10 PM
 :wave: thanks to a couple of observations with suggestions, I have now blended the goods shed hard standing with its surroundings. I made and placed a wall around the shed and  placed a couple of access ramps. My load gauge came today so I also fitted that. If anybody thinks I have missed something, I would appreciate any more suggestions, I'm enjoying the learning curve. :thankyousign:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Bob Tidbury on July 13, 2015, 08:45:08 AM
What a great job you've done it looks really good well done.
Bob
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: port perran on July 13, 2015, 09:14:29 AM
That looks much better and I like the extra bits of detailing that you've added.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on July 13, 2015, 10:47:52 AM
I think it looks excellent, Marcus :thumbsup:
You could add lots more detail yet - more yard clutter, people, the odd bicycle etc (maybe a phone box somewhere?)
Can't wait to see a night shot once you've tested the yard lights :camera: ;)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 14, 2015, 09:21:08 PM
 :hellosign: Hi guys. Need your help again. I can't decide on what direction to go in relation to the incline, should it be a wall, hill etc. what would you do? Any suggestions would be appreciated..thx
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on July 14, 2015, 09:30:56 PM
Sorry for being dense, Marcus, but where is the incline in relation to everything else? If it is to the left of the derelict goods shed I'd opt for a grassed/bushed embankment with suitable fencing running along the top.

Edit - just seen the pic in the Media section.
An embankment wouldn't do the job due to the closeness of the houses further up the incline so I reckon grassed embankment leading down to the tracks on the far side and maybe stone/brick retaining walls on the housing side.
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: DarthBadger on July 15, 2015, 05:19:10 PM
Looking good. Keep us posted with more photos of you progress please.
Tread carefully don't upset the wife ,we don't want another trench shovel video one was enough , even Val said that it was a shame that Alan Plumb had made a very nice layout and then smashed it to bits.
See earlier post if your not sure what I'm talking about or see it on Utube Shed Engineering.
Bob
Thx for your comment. I had a look at the YouTube video, OMG! I watched his post on his roadway he was building, using cable to move a tractor only just a couple of days ago. Seeing him smash that gorgeous layout was hard to watch, it's my dream to have something of that quality, My modelling skills will never come close to Alan's, such a shame, all that hard work and emotional attachment to the layout. I had a look at your layout, simply stunning. What are the dimensions? I get a lot of inspiration looking at other members builds and yours is no exception. Luckily my wife supports me 100%, whenever we go to any shows, Geb will always surprise me with a little something she picked up saying " this will look good on your track" mind you, this may have something to do with the fact she has a horse and believe me, the cost of that makes what I spend on N gauge look insignificant......Lol. :beers:

I came across the infamous destruction video a couple of days ago - it was a devastating thing!

Particularly with the back story and the emotional attachment that Alan had with the layout and memories of days gone past with his father!
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 15, 2015, 06:28:04 PM
Looking good. Keep us posted with more photos of you progress please.
Tread carefully don't upset the wife ,we don't want another trench shovel video one was enough , even Val said that it was a shame that Alan Plumb had made a very nice layout and then smashed it to bits.
See earlier post if your not sure what I'm talking about or see it on Utube Shed Engineering.
Bob

That's AWFUL! I really did not know about that. Such a tragic shame.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: bluedepot on July 15, 2015, 09:28:31 PM
looks excellent!!!

just caught up on this thread now

what did you use for weathering the road surface?


tim
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 15, 2015, 09:47:02 PM
Very nice scenic modelling, Marcus. I'd weather the roof of the abandoned coach more though as it looks too pristine and roofs of anything are very noticeable in N. Otherwise, really excellent work.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 15, 2015, 11:32:32 PM
looks excellent!!!

just caught up on this thread now

what did you use for weathering the road surface?


tim
Hi thx for your comment. I used a small damp sponge with a small amount of water based paint and simply rubbed it in until I got the result I was looking for. You only need the minimum of paint as it does go a long way. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 15, 2015, 11:36:07 PM
Very nice scenic modelling, Marcus. I'd weather the roof of the abandoned coach more though as it looks too pristine and roofs of anything are very noticeable in N. Otherwise, really excellent work.
I have been meaning to weather the roof. I'll give it a go at the weekend, just need to think what it would look like. Thx for your comment.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 17, 2015, 11:27:50 AM
Hi Marcus, this might give you some inspiration:

http://www.carriage-exchange.org.uk/lmsckcc.jpg (http://www.carriage-exchange.org.uk/lmsckcc.jpg)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 17, 2015, 12:19:47 PM
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Hi Marcus, this might give you some inspiration:

[url]http://www.carriage-exchange.org.uk/lmsckcc.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.carriage-exchange.org.uk/lmsckcc.jpg[/url])
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 17, 2015, 12:22:16 PM
Hi Marcus, this might give you some inspiration:

[url]http://www.carriage-exchange.org.uk/lmsckcc.jpg[/url] ([url]http://www.carriage-exchange.org.uk/lmsckcc.jpg[/url])
thx Chris. I had a go at weathering the roof, what do you think? Any suggestions welcome. :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 17, 2015, 12:23:17 PM
Very nice work, Marcus. The perfect finishing touch to the abandoned coach.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 17, 2015, 12:26:02 PM
Very nice work, Marcus. The perfect finishing touch to the abandoned coach.
Cheers Chris. Just waiting for some trees to arrive so I'll be placing some of those around the coach. :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 17, 2015, 12:32:06 PM
 :hellosign: I've started work on the incline, I happy with the look so far, most of the wall will disappear into heavy foliage later. The far side (Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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of incline will be just a nice grassy bank with trees etc. can't decid on a small wall or mesh fencing I'm making for opposite side of incline, thoughts anyone?  really enjoying build so far. :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 17, 2015, 12:42:00 PM
Outside built-up (at the time of construction) areas, railway builders preferred to use conventional sloping embankments I think rather than bricksided ones which were more expensive to construct and likely to be less stable / need more maintenance. A well-drained and maintained embankment would need less work. Against that, they need more space. So, in towns and cities you will find brick viaducts (the space under the arches could also be let out) whilst, outside towns and cities, embankments prevail except, sometimes on river flood plains where viaducts would be used.

Usually, wooden fences would be used for lineside fencing (and different railways had different designs, e,g. the MR; the SR used concrete posts and horizontal wires, as did the WR) except in areas like the Peak District where drystone walling would be common. The short answer is to study photos. of the area you're modelling.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 17, 2015, 08:49:19 PM
 :beers: just another top down view of layout showing progress so far. Overall I'm really happy. This half of layout has been a good learning curve for me, once I'm ready to add second part of layout. :thumbsup:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: port perran on July 17, 2015, 08:53:37 PM
This is looking excellent. I think that the embankment will look really good when weathered into the rest of the scenery.
Looking forward to future developments.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Biggy on July 22, 2015, 09:35:47 PM
Really impressed its looking really good.
Since you sent your first post all I have managed is one new platform which I accidently stuck to my cutting mat and ruined :veryangry:
So well done on your progress.
Plus you got a shed Cool!
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on July 22, 2015, 09:47:26 PM
Really impressed its looking really good.
Since you sent your first post all I have managed is one new platform which I accidently stuck to my cutting mat and ruined :veryangry:
So well done on your progress.
Plus you got a shed Cool!

Biggy, almost all I've managed in the same time is to put a few gorse bushes on a hillside, clean up some rails and derail one Class 42!

I can only assume the superb progress made by Marcus (and an excellent display of modelling) is a stunning example of beginners enthusiasm!

I'm feeling a touch of envy, if I'm honest.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Biggy on July 22, 2015, 10:07:23 PM


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I'm feeling a touch of envy, if I'm honest.

Plus he's got a shed :D
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on July 23, 2015, 05:26:14 AM


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I'm feeling a touch of envy, if I'm honest.

Plus he's got a shed :D

So have I, but it's nowhere near as good as his. :'(
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: paulprice on July 23, 2015, 07:12:07 AM
I wish I had a shed.......the Domestic Overlord says we don't have the space, and apparently I need to be kept an eye on because when I'm out of sight, I'm in danger of having fun............and we cant have that now can we?  :-X
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on July 23, 2015, 07:40:33 AM
I wish I had a shed.......the Domestic Overlord says we don't have the space, and apparently I need to be kept an eye on because when I'm out of sight, I'm in danger of having fun............and we cant have that now can we?  :-X

 :-[  Oh, 'that' kind of 'shed'.  I really thought you meant the goods shed on his layout  :dunce:

 :sorrysign:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: paulprice on July 23, 2015, 09:20:38 AM
I wish I had a shed.......the Domestic Overlord says we don't have the space, and apparently I need to be kept an eye on because when I'm out of sight, I'm in danger of having fun............and we cant have that now can we?  :-X

 :-[  Oh, 'that' kind of 'shed'.  I really thought you meant the goods shed on his layout  :dunce:

 :sorrysign:

I have a goods shed on my layout :(
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 23, 2015, 04:31:46 PM
 :hellosign: well, moved  Marcroft junction into its new home yesterday. Wife's happy to have her conservatory back. I've insulated and laid carpet down, it feels like a little home from home. I must stop adding more and more scenery to goods yard area as I think I'm getting a tad carried away....Lol.
I've purchased a few metcalfe buildings I need to start assembling as I'd like to start on my little town scene on the upper level. Over the next few day I will be building also the board for the 2nd half of layout, this will be simple in relation to this half consisting of a mainline station incorporating a small fiddle yard and possibly another small town/village. Thx guys for your latest comments, it's greatly appreciated. :beers: :NGaugersRule:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Bob Tidbury on July 23, 2015, 06:47:36 PM
Your shed looks a lot tidier than mine but then it is a bit newer and Im a lazy old *** I Never seem to put tools , glue or paints away after a project I just start another thing and just leave the last lot where they were. And in a 20 ft x12ft shed that means a lot of stuff lying around ,I really must get to grips with it one day, maybe TOMORROW if it ever comes.
Your  layout is coming along nicely by the way well done .
I always say to Val when I'm down the shed I'm saving her money by not going out to the pub and pouring it down the drain and when I go to the big garden railway in the sky she can sell my collection and buy something nice to help her forget me.
Bob
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on July 23, 2015, 08:53:06 PM
Thx guys for your latest comments, it's greatly appreciated.

Fully deserved, Marcus. The layout gets better each time I see it :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: NeMo on July 23, 2015, 08:55:12 PM
A first layout you say??? I'm gobsmacked. Really amazing modelling -- not to mention carpentry a million times better than I can do.

I'm looking forward to seeing more pictures as this develops.

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 23, 2015, 09:05:48 PM
Your shed looks a lot tidier than mine but then it is a bit newer and Im a lazy old *** I Never seem to put tools , glue or paints away after a project I just start another thing and just leave the last lot where they were. And in a 20 ft x12ft shed that means a lot of stuff lying around ,I really must get to grips with it one day, maybe TOMORROW if it ever comes.
Your  layout is coming along nicely by the way well done .
I always say to Val when I'm down the shed I'm saving her money by not going out to the pub and pouring it down the drain and when I go to the big garden railway in the sky she can sell my collection and buy something nice to help her forget me. If I took a picture of my desk that I work on, it looks like a bomb has gone off. I try and make sure that I don't spread to my actual layout. I'm not the most organised person in the world......Lol.
Bob
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 23, 2015, 09:11:22 PM
Thx guys for your latest comments, it's greatly appreciated.

Fully deserved, Marcus. The layout gets better each time I see it :thumbsup:
I'm hoping to connect yard lights up this weekend, I'd like to see what they look like at night time. I'll post a photo. Again, thx for your comment, I'm really enjoying the build. :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on July 23, 2015, 09:17:32 PM
Can I just caution not overdoing it, Marcus, and ending up with a sea of light?
Here's a great example of understated lighting..............

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=20578.msg319088#msg319088 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=20578.msg319088#msg319088)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 23, 2015, 09:24:13 PM
A first layout you say??? I'm gobsmacked. Really amazing modelling -- not to mention carpentry a million times better than I can do.

I'm looking forward to seeing more pictures as this develops.

Cheers, NeMo
Thx NeMo. I've just looked at your layout, Stunning. I have been amazed at the quality of other members layouts, and yours is no different.  excellent work.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 23, 2015, 09:33:11 PM
Can I just caution not overdoing it, Marcus, and ending up with a sea of light?
Here's a great example of understated lighting..............

[url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=20578.msg319088#msg319088[/url] ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=20578.msg319088#msg319088[/url])
I know what you mean. I purchased some 12v LEDs to go into my buildings, wired them up AND........Blackpool illuminations! Way way to bright. I have placed a couple of LEDs into each building and wired them up in series to try and tone down the brightness. I'll see what it's like along with the yard lights. May end up getting some resistors.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 28, 2015, 06:09:07 PM
 :) hi chaps.
I decided to take today off and spent a few happy hours in my new man shed( as the wife likes to call it) I built the metcalfe signal box, fitted LEDs and placed into position. I did a little more of the scenery and I'm quite pleased with how that's turned out. I am going to attempt some various levels on the verges as I don't want it looking flat. My next big project will be the small town on upper level, no track but just as important as the rest of layout. I'm still trying to find time to wire up yard lights, but I'm determined to have that completed ready for a weekend night shot. Back again in a few days. :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Bob Tidbury on July 28, 2015, 06:20:15 PM
Hi Marcus your layout is looking really good are you kidding us that's your very first attempt at a layout it's so well done I think I'll have to do a lot of work to mine soon to get it up to your standard .
Well done.
Bob
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 28, 2015, 06:32:49 PM
Hi Marcus your layout is looking really good are you kidding us that's your very first attempt at a layout it's so well done I think I'll have to do a lot of work to mine soon to get it up to your standard .
Well done.
Bob
I'm looking forward to coming over to you and seeing your layout in the  flesh, so to speak. I served as an engineer in the RAF for 12 years so maybe that's helping...Lol.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Bob Tidbury on July 28, 2015, 06:43:17 PM
Will be pleased to see you sometime but you might be disapointed the camera does lie but I'm happy with it the only thing I would like to change is the actual goods yard but I don't know what I can do to improve it operationally .as it's been down for a long time now.
Bob
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 28, 2015, 08:07:29 PM
Will be pleased to see you sometime but you might be disapointed the camera does lie but I'm happy with it the only thing I would like to change is the actual goods yard but I don't know what I can do to improve it operationally .as it's been down for a long time now.
Bob
Hi Bob.
I have regularly looked at your layout to give me ideas for mine later on in the build. I love your campsite and I'll apologise now,but I'm going to steal your idea :) if your happy with your layout, that's all that matters. Your layout looks superb and have every reason to be proud of what you created.  :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on July 28, 2015, 09:57:38 PM
Your trackwork & scenery look great, Marcus, so I'm sure the townscape will be just as good :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 31, 2015, 05:26:42 PM
 :hellosign: Whilst clearing out my garage today, came across a tube of filler so thought I would have a go at some rocky outcrops. I think they look ok so may tackle something bigger next time.nhope to get yard light wired up this weekend and see how they look at night. Thx guys.(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 31, 2015, 09:09:34 PM
Looking very good. However, 'board' (actually, old sleepers laid at right angles across the track sleepers) crossings were usually used to enable railway workers to more safely cross the line.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 31, 2015, 10:52:35 PM
Looking very good. However, 'board' (actually, old sleepers laid at right angles across the track sleepers) crossings were usually used to enable railway workers to more safely cross the line.
thx. I actually did have a board across track but it got sucked up into hover before glue had gone off. It will remedied tomorrow though. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on July 31, 2015, 11:01:39 PM
Looking very good. However, 'board' (actually, old sleepers laid at right angles across the track sleepers) crossings were usually used to enable railway workers to more safely cross the line.

 thx. I actually did have a board across track but it got sucked up into hover though. :thumbsup:

 :o Wow - you've got hover trains on your layout?  :confused1:
They'd be something like a 'maglev' I presume  :confused2:.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 31, 2015, 11:07:22 PM
Looking very good. However, 'board' (actually, old sleepers laid at right angles across the track sleepers) crossings were usually used to enable railway workers to more safely cross the line.

 thx. I actually did have a board across track but it got sucked up into hover though. :thumbsup:

 :o Wow - you've got hover trains on your layout?  :confused1:
They'd be something like a 'maglev' I presume  :confused2:.
Lol... I was hovering up excess static grass when shloooooop, up went the board. Going to be fixed :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 02, 2015, 06:33:56 PM
 :hellosign: Afternoon all. Not much done this weekend scenery wise, just a little tweak here and there. Time spent on preparing back drop ready for whatever direction I go in. Thumb has a huge splinter I can't seem to shift. Enjoy the rest of the weekend and c u soon. :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 04, 2015, 05:35:48 PM
 :hellosign: decided to crack on and build adjoining board. Happy with result. My intention for this will be for a Country type of station with at least 4 passing loops, (Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
so really a combination of station come fiddle yard. I think a main line station will look out of place as I would like to incorporate as much greenery and countryside as I can. Had a quick look under first board...Ugh! Spaghetti junction. This needs some serious tidying, but that's a job for not her day. :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 11, 2015, 06:34:41 PM
Hi chaps. I need a little honest advice  if possible. I have painted roughly where I'm thinking of making some station platforms, does this look right? I would appreciate your opinions and suggestions. Also, I have a siding that feels to me it's in the middle of nowhere, any suggestions on what you would use it for? Give it to me straight....I would prefere honest up front suggestions. Thx guys. :thankyousign:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 11, 2015, 07:53:32 PM
Hi Marcus, I think the suggested positions of the platforms look fine. As stations grew in the nineteenth century the railway companies often had to add platforms wherever possible. I would extend the second platform downwards into the 'V'. I would also extend the third platform downwards and shorten it at the top. A central footbridge could then give easy access to each platform.

The siding 'in the middle of nowhere' (actually, two, unless I'm confused) could be a carriage shed (like the one at Clapham Junction), motive power depot or freight distribution centre. It only looks like it is 'in the middle of nowhere' because you have not added any scenic elements, yet.

Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: GroupC on August 11, 2015, 08:19:43 PM
Hi Marcus

I somehow seem to have missed your postings but I must say I love what you're doing and the layout looks superb. The sweeping curves are something I especially like and there's lots of space for scenic stuff plus plenty of scope for operating interest. Keep posting, I'll be looking with interest and not a little jealousy.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on August 11, 2015, 09:54:06 PM
I'm a bit concerned about the radius of the curves where the single track on the left hand board goes into a tunnel and emerges as a double track on the right hand board (1st pic) :worried: ;)

And now to be serious............would the single track station line really have 2 platform faces :hmmm:
I am aware it does happen prototypically but it does look a little odd and, being on a curve, may cause you either construction problems and/or clearance issues for stock. Likewise, staggered platforms exist but I think the stagger between middle and lower platform is perhaps too great and the lower platform could be moved to the left a bit.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Skyline2uk on August 11, 2015, 09:55:33 PM
Looking fantastic Marcus, platforms look good but I would agree ref extending / positioning to allow single middle footbridge.

The sidings could be used for any Industry you choose, won't be in the middle of nowhere when the factory is built  :thumbsup:

Can I please enquire as to the gradient of hill that Deltic is sitting at the top of?
Has is been tested with a rake of whatever is to be pulled up there?

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 11, 2015, 10:29:10 PM
I'm a bit concerned about the radius of the curves where the single track on the left hand board goes into a tunnel and emerges as a double track on the right hand board (1st pic) :worried: ;)

And now to be serious............would the single track station line really have 2 platform faces :hmmm:
I am aware it does happen prototypically but it does look a little odd and, being on a curve, may cause you either construction problems and/or clearance issues for stock. Likewise, staggered platforms exist but I think the stagger between middle and lower platform is perhaps too great and the lower platform could be moved to the left a bit.
  :hellosign: that picture does look a bit misleading. The 2 tracks going into the tunnel on board 1 don't run into 2nd board, these continue as continuous loops on board 1 and don't run into 2nd board until other end of layout. The single exit you see coming out of tunnel mouth onto board 3 is the 3rd loop running along side loops 1&2. Hope you understand what I'm trying to explain. I'm I tad puzzled why you think this is a single line regarding platforms as 2 loops actually run through the station, or is it me being a bit dim and your seeing something I'm not...Lol.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 11, 2015, 10:38:27 PM
Looking fantastic Marcus, platforms look good but I would agree ref extending / positioning to allow single middle footbridge.

The sidings could be used for any Industry you choose, won't be in the middle of nowhere when the factory is built  :thumbsup:

Can I please enquire as to the gradient of hill that Deltic is sitting at the top of?
Has is been tested with a rake of whatever is to be pulled up there?

Skyline2uk
Hello Skyline.
The deltic runs up the incline with 6 coaches with no loss of speed, in fact all my loco's run up both inclines without any issues. Not sure what the gradient is but is goes from 50mm to 0mm on a 4.5 foot run. Hope this helps.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 11, 2015, 10:44:51 PM
 :hellosign: After a couple of appreciated comments, I have shortened the far right platform and extended top and middle. I have also ran the sidings to run along side lower platform. I think this looks better. Cheers guys.(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Sprintex on August 11, 2015, 10:46:53 PM
Not sure what the gradient is but is goes from 50mm to 0mm on a 4.5 foot run. Hope this helps.

1:27 ;)


Paul
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 11, 2015, 10:50:29 PM
Not sure what the gradient is but is goes from 50mm to 0mm on a 4.5 foot run. Hope this helps.

1:27 ;)


Paul
ah! Many thx.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on August 12, 2015, 07:38:13 AM

And now to be serious............would the single track station line really have 2 platform faces :hmmm:
I am aware it does happen prototypically but it does look a little odd and, being on a curve, may cause you either construction problems and/or clearance issues for stock. Likewise, staggered platforms exist but I think the stagger between middle and lower platform is perhaps too great and the lower platform could be moved to the left a bit.

Ascot, Yeovil Pen Mill, Guildford and I'm sure many other stations have a single track with two platform faces (as a Guard on 'slam door' trains - before interlocking - they were a nightmare) so although it's unlikely it's not unknown. Principally they were used in high density traffic areas (so not sure why Yeovil had one  :hmmm: ) in order to empty trains as rapidly as possible.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascot_railway_station

Staggered platforms too were (are) fairly common particularly in the South East and Gomshall is a particularly excellent example where the platforms are a long way to the east or west of each other.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gomshall_railway_station

As to your modelling skills I must agree with others - it's hard to believe that this is your first attempt - well done on an excellent job.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Bealman on August 12, 2015, 07:54:52 AM
Looking seriously good, Marcus. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: port perran on August 12, 2015, 08:03:23 AM
Agreed, looking good. I always like the idea of curved platforms which add a nice realistic feel to layouts I think.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Bealman on August 12, 2015, 08:10:27 AM
Don't forget the outside framed 08 clearance check!

(I won't post the pic of mine doing cartwheels again)  :-[
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on August 12, 2015, 08:12:19 AM
Not sure what the gradient is but is goes from 50mm to 0mm on a 4.5 foot run. Hope this helps.

Gradients are very simple to calculate as long as you work in feet or inches.
In your case the line climbs 2 inches in 54 inches of length. Simply divide the height into the length (2" divided into 54" = 1" in 27") and that gives you the incline.
I know some here will prove you can also do it in metric but, as with most things metric, it's not as easy in my opinion.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 12, 2015, 08:13:30 AM
The new platform configuration looks much better, Marcus. However, as has already been pointed out, you will need to run your longest and widest stock through the proposed platform area and mark off how much clearance they will require so that you can get the shape and width of the platforms right. As a guide, if you're using an outside crank model of a Class 08, you will need to allow for a distance of at least 26mm between platform edges on a straight section, with such curves I'm sure it will be more than that.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Bealman on August 12, 2015, 08:22:40 AM
Not sure what the gradient is but is goes from 50mm to 0mm on a 4.5 foot run. Hope this helps.

Gradients are very simple to calculate as long as you work in feet or inches.
In your case the line climbs 2 inches in 54 inches of length. Simply divide the height into the length (2" divided into 54" = 1" in 27") and that gives you the incline.
I know some here will prove you can also do it in metric but, as with most things metric, it's not as easy in my opinion.
Yeah, Marcus has mixed mm with feet, which makes a bit more work, but still doable, as Sprintex has proved.  :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: kmitchell on August 12, 2015, 08:51:48 AM
I would make all the points remotely operable, to avoid spoiling the effect when a big hand enters the scene, to avoid damaging scenery and inadvertently derailing trains, and to be able to recreate some of the sense of operating as a signalman.

But I wouldn't automatically go for point motors - wire-in-tube is cheaper, less complex and for a steam era layout more authentic. For yards where the points would be operated from hand levers, the tubes could just be brought to the edge of the baseboard locally and a row of simple levers fitted.

Cheers  Jon  :)
hello Jon,

I read with interest you point motor comments. I have a large fiddle yard to the side of my display area and sea port area to the front of the display. Can you elaborate on the wires and tubes idea, maybe some pitures of the baisc setup, it sounds like a perfect solution for me as i am relutant to setup wiring for 10 or some points in a small area.

Kind regards

Ken
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 12, 2015, 08:57:28 AM
The new platform configuration looks much better, Marcus. However, as has already been pointed out, you will need to run your longest and widest stock through the proposed platform area and mark off how much clearance they will require so that you can get the shape and width of the platforms right. As a guide, if you're using an outside crank model of a Class 08, you will need to allow for a distance of at least 26mm between platform edges on a straight section, with such curves I'm sure it will be more than that.
I have some thin sheets of polystyrene that I intend to use as a template. My longest loco is my class 55, I don't think anything else comes much bigger along with my longest coaches. If I can create the correct clearance for these I should imagine I would be ok no matter what loco or rolling stock used, other than maybe a car transporter which I doubt I will have anyway. Thx for your advice. :NGF:
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: PostModN66 on August 12, 2015, 10:10:20 AM
I would make all the points remotely operable, to avoid spoiling the effect when a big hand enters the scene, to avoid damaging scenery and inadvertently derailing trains, and to be able to recreate some of the sense of operating as a signalman.

But I wouldn't automatically go for point motors - wire-in-tube is cheaper, less complex and for a steam era layout more authentic. For yards where the points would be operated from hand levers, the tubes could just be brought to the edge of the baseboard locally and a row of simple levers fitted.

Cheers  Jon  :)
hello Jon,

I read with interest you point motor comments. I have a large fiddle yard to the side of my display area and sea port area to the front of the display. Can you elaborate on the wires and tubes idea, maybe some pitures of the baisc setup, it sounds like a perfect solution for me as i am relutant to setup wiring for 10 or some points in a small area.

Kind regards

Ken


Hi Ken,

Here is one thread about "Wire in Tube" - mine!   There are several other threads so it might pay to also do a search.

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=19227.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=19227.0)

For a fiddle yard, there is one consideration which applies if you want "one press" road selection which you would achieve with point motors using diode logic; this isn't possible with Wire-in-Tube, so you would have to throw each point separately.  This may or may not be an issue for you.

Some systems involve bellcranks - I would steer clear of these; use PTFE tube and thin wire that can bend to a small radius - typically a couple of inches.

Cheers  Jon  :)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Skyline2uk on August 12, 2015, 11:22:05 AM
Just to finish up on the gradient thing, using my converter app for these strange things called "feet" :P I did the maths and got just under 3.7%.

Which is as Paul said, 1 in 27.

The only loco I know the max incline stats for off by heart is the Kato Eurostar at 4%!

Still, if yours works with your stock, all is well  :thumbsup:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on August 12, 2015, 12:20:51 PM
I'm I tad puzzled why you think this is a single line regarding platforms as 2 loops actually run through the station, or is it me being a bit dim and your seeing something I'm not...Lol.

Hi Marcus,
I was referring to the upper of the 3 lines in the station as, with platforms each side, it has 2 platform faces. As Greg says in his reply (#222) it is unlikely but not unknown in the prototype. I just think it could cause you more problems than it's worth :-\
The first paragraph of my post was just me being flippant :-[
Title: Re: My first layout.
Post by: kmitchell on August 12, 2015, 02:49:35 PM
I would make all the points remotely operable, to avoid spoiling the effect when a big hand enters the scene, to avoid damaging scenery and inadvertently derailing trains, and to be able to recreate some of the sense of operating as a signalman.

But I wouldn't automatically go for point motors - wire-in-tube is cheaper, less complex and for a steam era layout more authentic. For yards where the points would be operated from hand levers, the tubes could just be brought to the edge of the baseboard locally and a row of simple levers fitted.

Cheers  Jon  :)
hello Jon,

I read with interest you point motor comments. I have a large fiddle yard to the side of my display area and sea port area to the front of the display. Can you elaborate on the wires and tubes idea, maybe some pitures of the baisc setup, it sounds like a perfect solution for me as i am relutant to setup wiring for 10 or some points in a small area.

Kind regards

Ken


Hi Ken,

Here is one thread about "Wire in Tube" - mine!   There are several other threads so it might pay to also do a search.

[url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=19227.0[/url] ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=19227.0[/url])

For a fiddle yard, there is one consideration which applies if you want "one press" road selection which you would achieve with point motors using diode logic; this isn't possible with Wire-in-Tube, so you would have to throw each point separately.  This may or may not be an issue for you.

Some systems involve bellcranks - I would steer clear of these; use PTFE tube and thin wire that can bend to a small radius - typically a couple of inches.

Cheers  Jon  :)

Hello Jon,

Many thanks, i have read your explanation and it is managable for myself. Will give it ago in the fiddle yard, before trying it out on the display area.

Kind regards

Ken
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Caz on August 12, 2015, 03:02:06 PM
Providing you work in all the same units of measure, inches, mm or cms the methods given work fine.

length of incline divided by the rise will give the the ratio  1 in xx  or 1:xx

For the % use the formula  100 ÷ (length ÷ rise) = xx%
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 12, 2015, 08:40:03 PM
I'm I tad puzzled why you think this is a single line regarding platforms as 2 loops actually run through the station, or is it me being a bit dim and your seeing something I'm not...Lol.

Hi Marcus,
I was referring to the upper of the 3 lines in the station as, with platforms each side, it has 2 platform faces. As Greg says in his reply (#222) it is unlikely but not unknown in the prototype. I just think it could cause you more problems than it's worth :-\
The first paragraph of my post was just me being flippant :-[
Hi again. Ah! I understand what your saying now. Looking again at my own picture I can see why you wouldn't necessarily need P1 as you would enter and exit from P2. I'll wait and see how it goes, I might just build P2 and P3. Thx for your comment though. :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on August 12, 2015, 09:13:18 PM
Hi again. Ah! I understand what your saying now. Looking again at my own picture I can see why you wouldn't necessarily need P1 as you would enter and exit from P2. I'll wait and see how it goes, I might just build P2 and P3. Thx for your comment though. :thankyousign:

At the risk of being silly if you aren't going to have a 'Platform One as you would enter and leave from Platform Two' wouldn't Platform Two actually be Platform One?? Either that or Platform Three should be Platform Two.
 :worried: :confused1:

Maybe it's time for bed instead! :sleep:

 :D
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 12, 2015, 09:20:42 PM
Hi again. Ah! I understand what your saying now. Looking again at my own picture I can see why you wouldn't necessarily need P1 as you would enter and exit from P2. I'll wait and see how it goes, I might just build P2 and P3. Thx for your comment though. :thankyousign:

At the risk of being silly if you aren't going to have a 'Platform One as you would enter and leave from Platform Two' wouldn't Platform Two actually be Platform One?? Either that or Platform Three should be Platform Two.
 :worried: :confused1:

Maybe it's time for bed instead! :sleep:

 :D
:laugh: your correct, don't go bed just yet. Indeed it would just be platform 1 & 2  :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 12, 2015, 11:17:37 PM
I'm I tad puzzled why you think this is a single line regarding platforms as 2 loops actually run through the station, or is it me being a bit dim and your seeing something I'm not...Lol.

Hi Marcus,
I was referring to the upper of the 3 lines in the station as, with platforms each side, it has 2 platform faces. As Greg says in his reply (#222) it is unlikely but not unknown in the prototype. I just think it could cause you more problems than it's worth :-\
The first paragraph of my post was just me being flippant :-[
I have another little conundrum that maybe you can resolve for me.  I went into my shed a little while ago thinking that I will have just the 2 platforms when I suddenly thought " how would passengers get onto the platforms seeing as down line has 2 tracks opposite platform face and up line will have single and double track opposite both platform faces. You wouldn't normally cross lines to get to platforms so maybe I have no choice really but to have top platform to allow passenger access. What do you think?
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on August 12, 2015, 11:40:14 PM
With a problem like that what about a subway to the platforms? Several firms make a set of steps to allow such a system to be built and they are common in real life.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on August 13, 2015, 12:10:10 PM
I see what you're getting at, Marcus, but I think you'll need to decide where tickets will be sold/collected and where your station car park will be such that placement/types of footbridge or subway access/egress can be suggested.
Another suggestion could be to do away with that line as a loop and make 2 bay platform lines separated by the station entrance building. Great for DMU/EMUs, for example.
Hope you understand what I'm getting at there.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 18, 2015, 06:47:21 PM
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You don't see this very often on the M40. Looks a little larger than "N" gauge :D
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 18, 2015, 11:43:35 PM
 :hellosign: Hi guys. I have completed the basic platforms, I have had some useful tips from members about location etc but decided to go ahead with this combination. Looking forward to the next model show so I can hopefully get loads of the little bits and pieces that make layouts come to life. Once I get the station buildings I can build station entry and exit, I still like the metcalfe buildings, I am not to keen on the plastic kits, it might just be me but I think  the cardboard kits just look better. Next job will be to start ballesting board no 2, this should be quicker thanks to the learning curve from board 1.  :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: railsquid on August 19, 2015, 02:15:26 AM
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You don't see this very often on the M40. Looks a little larger than "N" gauge :D


This must be the new lorry-mounted train scheme (http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/environment/trains-to-run-on-lorries-2015062699619)  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 22, 2015, 08:15:22 AM
 :hellosign: New arrival to the fleet came yesterday, type 37 coal sector. The one thing that really makes operating these loco's such a pleasure is just how smooth and quiet they, are even over point work. From the offset, I wasn't sure what direction to go in regarding N or 00, Knowing I would have a big enough space for either scale, I couldn't quite decide. I am absolutely 100% happy with the direction I went with. The latest n gauge loco's from all the leading manufactures are simply stunning models in their own right with detailing on par matching their bigger brothers (or is sisters the correct terminology..lol). Happy days ahead.
I purchased and built a couple of Ratio footbridges, I found these a little fiddly at first but came out looking ok.
I'm going to spend some time today tidying the wiring and finally connect the yard lights up to see how they look. Hopefully I'll get a night shot posted. Looking forward to the Loughborough model show in a couple of weeks, ideal opportunity to pick up those finer scenery items I'm looking for and maybe some wagons for my class 37 to pull. Well, time to get into my man shed as the wife likes to call it and crack on with that wiring. :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: paulprice on August 22, 2015, 10:20:06 AM
looking brilliant
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on August 22, 2015, 12:07:53 PM
It's always easy to find faults I know but these are genuine concerns.
Are your clearances enough for long coaches/bogie wagons between track and platform? It might just be the angle of photo but they look very tight to me and I fear the vehicles striking the platforms as you run through.
The other point concerns your footbridge. For intending passengers from one side of the station to the far side they would need to come off the footbridge, onto the platform, then climb again, if you see my point.
Is it possible to 'open' the footbridge to provide something more of a level walkway across the tracks? I'm sure your 'little people' would thank you for the consideration.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: port perran on August 22, 2015, 12:17:38 PM
It's looking excellent.
I like the goods yard area. You have managed to achieve that "lived in" look that makes it look real and not too tidy.
Looking forward to seeing the rest of the layout develop.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 22, 2015, 02:25:15 PM
It's always easy to find faults I know but these are genuine concerns.
Are your clearances enough for long coaches/bogie wagons between track and platform? It might just be the angle of photo but they look very tight to me and I fear the vehicles striking the platforms as you run through.
The other point concerns your footbridge. For intending passengers from one side of the station to the far side they would need to come off the footbridge, onto the platform, then climb again, if you see my point.
Is it possible to 'open' the footbridge to provide something more of a level walkway across the tracks? I'm sure your 'little people' would thank you for the consideration.
Hi. Thx for your concerns. I did a thorough test using my class 55 and longest coaches. I wanted to get as close as possible as not to have huge gaps between coach and platform. I have a gap of about 1.5mm at the closest point. As for the platform bridge.....I have an idea :)(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: d-a-n on August 22, 2015, 02:39:25 PM
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You don't see this very often on the M40. Looks a little larger than "N" gauge :D

Was this taken late on in July by any chance? I saw one of these mk3s on a lorry on the M6 at Birmingham on Friday 31st July as I was going back up to Manchester
Layout looks great!
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 22, 2015, 03:19:20 PM
Thanks to Western Princess , I have modified the platform bridge so that to get from P3 to P1 you don't have to go down to climb back up again. :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 22, 2015, 03:21:53 PM
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You don't see this very often on the M40. Looks a little larger than "N" gauge :D

Was this taken late on in July by any chance? I saw one of these mk3s on a lorry on the M6 at Birmingham on Friday 31st July as I was going back up to Manchester
Layout looks great! Thx for comment. This was taken on 18th of August and posted on same day. :)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on August 22, 2015, 09:11:50 PM
Thanks to Western Princess , I have modified the platform bridge so that to get from P3 to P1 you don't have to go down to climb back up again. :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

I'm sure your passengers will thank you for that. It looks a lot more realistic too.
By the way, my friends call me Greg.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 22, 2015, 10:06:41 PM
Thanks to Western Princess , I have modified the platform bridge so that to get from P3 to P1 you don't have to go down to climb back up again. :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

I'm sure your passengers will thank you for that. It looks a lot more realistic too.
By the way, my friends call me Greg.
Thx Greg for the reference regarding footbridge, it does look a lot better. Thx again.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 22, 2015, 10:13:00 PM
Finally connected yard lights up, really pleased with the effect. Only one problem, one of the lights is duff..bummer. I've ordered another one so Ill just replace it.  :veryangry:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on August 23, 2015, 12:18:56 AM

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Thanks for sharing these - there is a lot more room there than at first appeared.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 06, 2015, 06:10:18 PM
 :hellosign: Been a little slow the past couple of weeks due to work getting busy. I had a go at my first "hill" this weekend using expanding foam, filler and hacksaw blade. For my first attempt I'm happy with the result, I think it looks like what it's supposed to be...lol. We went to Loughborough model railway show today and seen some lovely layouts, the big "N" show next weekend, looking forward to that. My wife got me a little surprise in the form of a network rail transit van so I've found a home for that, nicely detailed actually. Hoping to do a little more tomorrow as long as my phone doesn't go mad, so have a good evening all and I'll catch you later, :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 13, 2015, 06:26:26 PM
 :hellosign: just got back from the International N gauge show, wow! Some absolutely stunning layouts. I was a little disappointed with some of the prices as the Dcc fitted loco's were a good 20% more expensive than my local model shop, having said that I enjoyed treating myself to some scenic materials. I have started work on the hills and rocky part of layout, back breaking with all that leaning over with the static grass applicator. I'm trying to decide where I will be having my lake so I can have a go at producing some realistic looking water complete with some happy fishermen.  My wife said that finding me Xmas presents will be so easy this year, excellent, I can look forward to some more n gauge heaven. That it for now, time for some telly.(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: port perran on September 13, 2015, 07:01:17 PM
Those scenic are beginning to look very good indeed.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on September 13, 2015, 08:37:17 PM
For a first layout you're making a damned good job of it, Marcus :goggleeyes: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 19, 2015, 12:23:49 PM
 :hellosign: I thought I would do a little more to this part of layout. I'm really enjoying the build, getting loads of satisfaction from what I'm doing. I have a few metcalfe buildings I need to crack on with so I can start on my "town" area of layout but I keep getting distracted..lol. I'm going to spend a  few hours later in my man shed once I've got the tedious chore of shopping at asda out of the way..ugh! Going to need your help soon regarding signals etc, I have no idea what the terminology means ...home, away etc. well, of shopping so c u later. :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: paulprice on September 19, 2015, 12:27:29 PM
Looking good Im jealous
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: port perran on September 19, 2015, 12:37:13 PM
This is looking mighty impressive. Keep the updates coming please.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on September 19, 2015, 07:51:38 PM
I have no idea what the terminology means ...home, away etc.

'Tis a ghastly soap opera on the telly :doh:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Ditape on September 19, 2015, 08:47:35 PM
Your layout is coming on a treat, Don't ask me about signals I still don't really understand it enough I would  appreciate a idiot's guide to signals. :dunce:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on September 19, 2015, 09:03:27 PM
Your layout is coming on a teat,

 :oopssign:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Ditape on September 19, 2015, 09:11:44 PM
Das fingerpoken error. :-[
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Sprintex on September 19, 2015, 09:13:21 PM
Your layout is coming on a teat,

 :oopssign:

 :laugh:


Paul
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Skyline2uk on September 19, 2015, 10:08:09 PM
Oh do stop Milking it Paul.....I 'thank you.....


Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 19, 2015, 10:41:15 PM
Your layout is coming on a teat,

 :oopssign:
I did wonder what you comment was about home and away...Lol.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 19, 2015, 10:51:29 PM
Looking good Im jealous
Thx. Believe me, if I can do it, anyone can. It's all just trial and error at the minute.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 24, 2015, 08:40:16 PM
 :hellosign: well, I had ago at trying to model water, wasn't looking forward to it as it always seems to make or break a layout. After about 10 Coates of varnish and a lot of doubt I can say that I'm happy with the result. The fishermen make a nice touch to the realism. I've added a few trees without going overboard, again, it adds a little depth. Lots of little details to be added at some point, I think tomorrow I'll do a little more to the viaduct on the back wall, just hoping that the scenic material I ordered arrives tomorrow. Well, back to the shed for a couple of hours, then off to bed for an early start. :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: port perran on September 24, 2015, 08:57:34 PM
You are right, water is always difficult but you seem to have done a good job there.
Looks fine to me.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Skyline2uk on September 24, 2015, 09:07:46 PM
That lake is very very impressive!

Could you possibly give some more details on how you did it?

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Newportnobby on September 24, 2015, 09:29:46 PM
Great job, Marcus :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Jack on September 24, 2015, 09:49:30 PM
Nice water feature! So how did you achieve the effect that you have? I've experimented on a piece of scrap ply but never achieved a pleasing effect.
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 24, 2015, 11:42:00 PM
Hi. I have been asked by Jack and Skyline on how I achieved my water effect, I'm a complete novice but it's a compliment you ask. Firstly I created a wall about 5 mill in height using ready mixed filler in the shape of the lake. Once dry I painted the base colour of the lake using tester Matt paint pots from B&Q, they have an excellent range of colours available. Whilst still wet, I used a small modelling paint brush cut flat and with the smallest amount of paint of a different colour to blend the main body of water with that around the edges to depict the difference in depth. The method of applying the paint was to stipple until the colours blended without any noticeable edges, use very little paint to get the best result. Again, once paint was dry, I used gloss varnish and built up the level of "water" using about 10 layers. You must let the varnish dry before applying each coat because if you put it on to quickly, it will dry cloudy. That's basically it really, nothing to fancy but it seems to work. Hope it's been helpful. :beers:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Rabbitaway on September 25, 2015, 01:47:44 AM
Marcus

Great layout and progressing quickly  :thumbsup:

Just one point would this thread not be better sitting under "layout construction"?

 :greatpicturessign:
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Sprintex on September 25, 2015, 02:38:19 AM
:thankyousign:

Moved :)


Paul
Title: Re: My first layout
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 25, 2015, 06:26:24 AM
Marcus

Great layout and progressing quickly  :thumbsup:

Just one point would this thread not be better sitting under "layout construction"?

 :greatpicturessign:
Hello. Thx for comment. I'm not to sure how to actually change thread description, layout under construction does now seem more appropriate. :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on September 25, 2015, 11:32:11 AM
Hi Marcus are you sure this is your first layout ,your scenic work is amazing I don't believe that you have never done this before .
Please keep the photos coming but  I'm  jealous of your work it puts my efforts to shame .
But as I'm told when I go to Pendon if you don't keep trying you'll never know what you can do ,but never give in and be proud of what you do achieve.
In your case you must be very proud of your results.
I don't think you will want to see my layout now ,it's no where near as good as yours but your welcome if ever your in High Wycombe.
Bob
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Skyline2uk on September 25, 2015, 02:33:42 PM
Much obliged for the explanation Marcus, explained like a pro  :thumbsup:

As others have said, this is all very impressive. But more than that, if you are enjoying yourself than you have succeeded.

I look forward to further updates, and am curious to see your loco / stock collection  :D

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 25, 2015, 05:24:29 PM
Hi Marcus are you sure this is your first layout ,your scenic work is amazing I don't believe that you have never done this before .
Please keep the photos coming but  I'm  jealous of your work it puts my efforts to shame .
But as I'm told when I go to Pendon if you don't keep trying you'll never know what you can do ,but never give in and be proud of what you do achieve.
In your case you must be very proud of your results.
I don't think you will want to see my layout now ,it's no where near as good as yours but your welcome if ever your in High Wycombe.
Bob
Hi Bob. This really is the first time I have attempted anything like this, it's not all plain sailing though. That water effect took several attempts before I was happy with it and for those hills ugh! Lots of late nights. You shouldn't think that I wouldn't want to see your layout, you have been modelling a lot longer than I and your advice and experience would be invaluable to people like myself. You don't want to think your layouts not worth looking at just because you think someone else's looks better, I've seen layouts that simply blow me away but I'm still very happy with mine as you should be with yours. When I'm in your area I would very much look forward to visit you and your layout, I've looked at your layout and it's something I would be proud of. Helping each other is part of the fun with model railways and it would be a pleasure if I could give you some tips on how I achieved what I have done on my layout. Everyone has different abilities but doesn't make anyone better than the other. I will contact you when in your area. :beers:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on September 25, 2015, 06:37:57 PM
THANKYOU Marcus Its true I have been dabbling in N gauge for a long time so I suppose I might know something that others don't know as you do pick up lots of tips without realising it and just take it for granted that everyone else knows too. As to visiting ,your welcombe anytime.on
Only too happy to have someone to run the layout with me.
Bob
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 26, 2015, 01:34:36 AM
Much obliged for the explanation Marcus, explained like a pro  :thumbsup:

As others have said, this is all very impressive. But more than that, if you are enjoying yourself than you have succeeded.

I look forward to further updates, and am curious to see your loco / stock collection  :D

Skyline2uk
Hi. My loco collection is a tad sparse at the moment as is my rolling stock. I'm always looking out on eBay hoping to grab a bargain. I'm particularly looking out for some coal hoppers to go with my coal sector class 37. It's early days and Xmas is just around the corner so who knows...Lol.(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Bealman on September 26, 2015, 01:45:08 AM
It's been a while since I looked at this thread, Marcus  :-[ and I must say I'm impressed with progress!  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 27, 2015, 08:44:25 PM
 :veryangry: damn and double damn! I've just got back from collecting a lovely class 108. I wanted to reprogram it to No7 but realised that the loco was also set to No 108, my basic Bachman only goes to 10 so I'm unable to select 108 to change to No7. Looks like I'm going to have to take loco to Ansty model shop and get them to reprogram it for me. Either that or purchase a new chip. Wanted to see it on my layout... Not happy >:(
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: lil chris on September 27, 2015, 09:20:11 PM
Good progress there Marcus, I have the same problem with regards to stock, I have a acumalted a few locos but not many goods wagons and coaches yet so not sure what I am going to run when I finally do.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 27, 2015, 09:26:03 PM
Good progress there Marcus, I have the same problem with regards to stock, I have a acumalted a few locos but not many goods wagons and coaches yet so not sure what I am going to run when I finally do.

I suspect that I have too many wagons and vans, Chris, so may have to sell some off. I will also, eventually, be producing more "Castle Estates" goods vehicles. 8-)
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: daveg on September 28, 2015, 09:27:50 AM
Enjoyed going through this thread.

 :greatpicturessign:

Really very nice work and thanks for sharing the way you created your lake. Water seems to be one of our major challenges (ignoring ballasting of course!).

Look forward to seeing more.

Dave G
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 28, 2015, 09:57:34 AM
Enjoyed going through this thread.

 :greatpicturessign:

Really very nice work and thanks for sharing the way you created your lake. Water seems to be one of our major challenges (ignoring ballasting of course!).

Dave G

"Water seems to be one of our major challenges." Certainly so in my case, at least.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Newportnobby on September 28, 2015, 09:59:35 AM
Enjoyed going through this thread.

 :greatpicturessign:

Really very nice work and thanks for sharing the way you created your lake. Water seems to be one of our major challenges (ignoring ballasting of course!).

Dave G

"Water seems to be one of our major challenges." Certainly so in my case, at least.

Agreed - although nothing to do with the layout. More an age thing :-[
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: daveg on September 28, 2015, 02:13:37 PM
Enjoyed going through this thread.

 :greatpicturessign:

Really very nice work and thanks for sharing the way you created your lake. Water seems to be one of our major challenges (ignoring ballasting of course!).

Dave G

"Water seems to be one of our major challenges." Certainly so in my case, at least.

Agreed - although nothing to do with the layout. More an age thing :-[

Hold that thought, Mick!  ;)

Dave G
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on October 04, 2015, 07:15:44 PM
 :hellosign: Hi all. I've enjoyed a few hours in my shed today, I thought I would add a little more detail on the brewery/factory. I've added a wall complete with home made security wire placed on top, doesn't really show up on photo very well but it doesn't look to bad. I wanted the yard to show tyre marks made from forklift operations( once they arrive from eBay) so I managed that and the result turned out better than I thought they would. A little more detail added to lake in the form of some drift wood and a few weeds, I won't be adding anymore as i don't want overkill. I need to start on the high level town scene, I've got a few metcalfe buildings to build but it's getting to my busiest time business wise due to Xmas being around the corner, so im not going to be able to spent as much time on the build as I have over the past few weeks. Time for half a cider and chill out in front of the box :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: port perran on October 04, 2015, 07:30:04 PM
Great work Marcus.
Your layout is looking better and better. Those tyre marks are a great idea - will look good once the forklifts arrive.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 04, 2015, 07:32:15 PM
Looking even better than before. You really have achieved a superb layout and quite quickly, too.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Newportnobby on October 04, 2015, 07:41:03 PM
The layout is looking marvellous. You should be extremely proud of what you have achieved :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on October 04, 2015, 07:57:03 PM
Thanks for your comments guys. I am really pleased with how my builds going, it's turning out much better than I thought I could possibly create at beginning of the build. My only regret is that I had to wait until I reached 53 before enjoying the hobby. I actually had a good running session today and the loco's looked great running. I will make a short video and upload onto YouTube, once I've done that, I'll post the link. Again, thanks for all your kind words. :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Pengi on October 04, 2015, 08:16:49 PM
That is a very impressive layout - love the water :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: daveg on October 05, 2015, 07:24:38 AM
Just done a a quick catch-up.

Very nice indeed.  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Bealman on October 05, 2015, 07:32:31 AM
Let me echo all previous posts. You have achieved a working layout of high standard in a remarkable short space of time.

Well done, sir!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on October 10, 2015, 04:23:43 PM
 ;D picked up a bargain on eBay. Brand new Dynamis train set, wrong scale being 00 but I can put the class 150 sprinter back onto eBay. Really happy with getting a Dynamis, my Bachmann ez controller was really starting to show its limitations. :beers:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on October 12, 2015, 04:05:34 PM
Hi all. Purchased 4 skips but came a nice bright yellow so I had a go at making them look old and abused and making them look full. They turned out ok so placed them strategically around the factory. The security barrier was a tad fiddly to make also. I think it's about done apart from a couple of forklifts and workers. :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Newportnobby on October 12, 2015, 04:16:45 PM
Hi all. Purchased 4 skips but came a nice bright yellow so I had a go at making them look old and abused and making them look full.

Where are the inevitable mattresses? :D

Very nice detailing, Marcus :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on October 12, 2015, 04:30:38 PM
Hi all. Purchased 4 skips but came a nice bright yellow so I had a go at making them look old and abused and making them look full.

Where are the inevitable mattresses? :D

Very nice detailing, Marcus :thumbsup:
I've ordered some more skips so I'll make sure they are domestic rather than commercial, so expect possibly the odd mattress or old washing machine....Lol. :beers:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 12, 2015, 04:33:58 PM
An excellent addition to a very nice layout.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on October 18, 2015, 07:07:27 PM
https://youtu.be/3FbQlykKn3g  Hi guys. For those interested, I've posted a short video of my layout on YouTube. Not the best as my iPad has its limitations. Please leave any comments. Thx. :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on October 18, 2015, 07:16:15 PM
Very nice MARCUS but I think you are running wrong line on the main lines I might be wrong ,the scenery is looking good and the trains run very smooth just a tad fast ,Overall you should be proud of your work ,as I've said before are you sure it's your first attempt.
Bob
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: daveg on October 18, 2015, 07:39:23 PM
Thanks. Enjoyed the vid.

Great scenic work and a nice-looking track plan.

As suggested by Bob, I think you're running your kit just a bit too fast. Give the eye a little time to enjoy seeing the trains trundle through your excellent scenics!

Dave G

Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on October 18, 2015, 07:44:44 PM
Very nice MARCUS but I think you are running wrong line on the main lines I might be wrong ,the scenery is looking good and the trains run very smooth just a tad fast ,Overall you should be proud of your work ,as I've said before are you sure it's your first attempt.
Bob
hi Bob. Not quite sure what you mean by the " wrong line on the main lines" can you let me know, thx😀. This is my first attempt, if I could start over I would make a few changes. I have build my 3rd board which you can see on vid, this will be either a 4 or 6 lane fiddle yard with a through station.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on October 18, 2015, 07:48:18 PM
Thanks. Enjoyed the vid.

Great scenic work and a nice-looking track plan.

As suggested by Bob, I think you're running your kit just a bit too fast. Give the eye a little time to enjoy seeing the trains trundle through your excellent scenics!

Dave G
the trains do look to run faster than they actually are, I'll slow them right down next time...lol
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: mickster04 on October 18, 2015, 09:17:52 PM
Any chance you used youtube's stabililsation? the trains do that jerking thing when youtube tries to stabilise... (seen on the 37 here http://youtu.be/3FbQlykKn3g?t=39s (http://youtu.be/3FbQlykKn3g?t=39s)) IMO probabyl just avoid the youtube stabilisation, it doesn't seem to understand model trains!!!
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Newportnobby on October 18, 2015, 09:43:21 PM
Tha can't beat a good running session :no:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on October 18, 2015, 09:59:49 PM
Any chance you used youtube's stabililsation? the trains do that jerking thing when youtube tries to stabilise... (seen on the 37 here [url]http://youtu.be/3FbQlykKn3g?t=39s[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/3FbQlykKn3g?t=39s[/url])) IMO probabyl just avoid the youtube stabilisation, it doesn't seem to understand model trains!!!
hi. Yes I did. I wondered why the trains seemed to judder.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: mickster04 on October 18, 2015, 10:10:46 PM
Any chance you used youtube's stabililsation? the trains do that jerking thing when youtube tries to stabilise... (seen on the 37 here [url]http://youtu.be/3FbQlykKn3g?t=39s[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/3FbQlykKn3g?t=39s[/url])) IMO probabyl just avoid the youtube stabilisation, it doesn't seem to understand model trains!!!
hi. Yes I did. I wondered why the trains seemed to judder.


I love the video otherwise, and that bit isn't your fault! :D
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on October 20, 2015, 09:18:50 AM
Very nice MARCUS but I think you are running wrong line on the main lines I might be wrong ,the scenery is looking good and the trains run very smooth just a tad fast ,Overall you should be proud of your work ,as I've said before are you sure it's your first attempt.
Bob

No Bob, you are correct. Sorry Marcus but while the back of the layout is spot on regarding direction the front is reversed.
The railway (in the UK) is a bit like a road when it comes to direction with the general rule being 'left hand running' at all times.
I will not confuse you with 'emergency working', 'bi-directional running' etc. - the technical exceptions which prove the rule.
For a first effort though be proud of your achievements - a stunning layout except for that one small point. Again, as Bob says, a 'bit less wellie' would improve the general appearance no end. Try running your trains at about half that speed and see what a huge improvement it makes to the overall impression.
Best wishes and happy modelling,
Greg.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on October 20, 2015, 07:10:52 PM
Hi Greg. What would make the trains run incorrectly on the front if correct on the back? I'm assuming it's the design of the layout. 👍
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on October 25, 2015, 01:10:25 AM
Last part of layout completed. Loco's ran nice and smoothly, really pleased about that as it makes operating layout so much more pleasurable. I've pre drilled the board in case I decide to fit point motors. Off to visit in laws tomorrow but hoping to spend a few more hours in the shed once I'm back. Lots of work to do, but then that's what makes it so enjoyable.  :beers:(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Bealman on October 25, 2015, 01:42:48 AM
Enjoyed your video, Marcus!  :thumbsup:

I'm intrigued as to what goes on inside that tunnel where the line enters from the left and also lines from the foreground! Those foreground lines must have a pretty tight curve just inside?

Seems to run fine, though!  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on October 25, 2015, 02:12:35 AM
Enjoyed your video, Marcus!  :thumbsup:

I'm intrigued as to what goes on inside that tunnel where the line enters from the left and also lines from the foreground! Those foreground lines must have a pretty tight curve just inside?

Seems to run fine, though!  :thumbsup:

George
The lines under the tunnel are radius 2 and 3 with the line entering from the left running above these two lines is radius 4. The minimum radius used on layout is radius 2 but majority are 3 or 4.[Limit reached]
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: D1042 Western Princess on October 26, 2015, 06:46:38 AM
Hi Greg. What would make the trains run incorrectly on the front if correct on the back? I'm assuming it's the design of the layout. 👍


As a layout, it's good, particularly for a first build. But in real life, on the FRONT part of your main line, trains running from left to right would be on the INSIDE track while from right to left they would be on the outside track. Which is the way you have them on the back.
As a layout it doesn't truly matter, but it does look a little strange on a British model to be honest.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on October 26, 2015, 07:20:46 AM
Hi again Greg. I'm still a little puzzled. What would make trains run correctly on the back of the layout but not the front? When basically it's just a continuous loop. Can this be rectified without having to lift track or should I reverse running direction so it's correct at the front as this is more noticeable when viewing than at the rear. Amazing what you learn from building a layout. :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: A.Carter (BiG-T) on October 26, 2015, 07:38:13 AM
Hi With British running the outside track as you look from the front should be Clockwise (right to left) and the inner track anti clockwise.
The inner loop from the outer to the inside via the crossover with correct line running you could only ever use it by reversing into it from either end.
Hope that makes sense?

Tony
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on October 31, 2015, 07:46:31 PM
Hi. Just a couple of shots of layout taken looking through shed window. :beers:[Limit reached][Limit reached]
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: port perran on October 31, 2015, 07:53:29 PM
Looks to be excellent progress.
I do hope someone lets you INTO the shed soon so that you can continue the good work :laugh3:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on October 31, 2015, 08:53:39 PM
Looks to be excellent progress.
I do hope someone lets you INTO the shed soon so that you can continue the good work :laugh3:
  :wave: I'm in the shed now, heaters on, cold can of pears cider. Heaven :beers:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: David Asquith on November 01, 2015, 01:14:20 PM
The scenic part looks absolutely brilliant and I'm sure the rest will be as good.  Love the track plan too,

Dave
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Caz on November 01, 2015, 03:09:13 PM
Totally agree with Dave and look forward to the rest of the layout being constructed to the high standard you've set yourself.   :)
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: jonclox on November 01, 2015, 04:28:05 PM
 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: A thumbs up from me as well :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on November 01, 2015, 05:43:23 PM
 
Totally agree with Dave and look forward to the rest of the layout being constructed to the high standard you've set yourself.   :)
thx. Looking at your layout that's high praise indeed.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on November 01, 2015, 05:45:13 PM
The scenic part looks absolutely brilliant and I'm sure the rest will be as good.  Love the track plan too,

Dave
Thx Dave.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on November 06, 2015, 11:02:12 PM
 :hellosign: just a quick post. I'm looking for some honest opinions on my back scene. I know you can buy ready printed scenes but I thought I would have ago making one myself. If you think it looks pants, that's fine. It's only held in place temporally so can be binned if needed. Not really sure so wondered what you thought.  :)[Limit reached][Limit reached]
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Bealman on November 06, 2015, 11:48:43 PM
Looks good to me, buddy!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Skyline2uk on November 07, 2015, 12:32:40 AM
I think that looks very good indeed, impressive work  :thumbsup:

If you add some suitable "sky" colour / colours behind then I think it will match brilliantly.

Your choice is then really "sunny day", "cloudy" or somewhere in between  :hmmm:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Greybeema on November 07, 2015, 08:11:48 AM
Wot SkylineUK said.  Maybe a few roofs giving some perspective but apart from that don't change a thing..
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Newportnobby on November 07, 2015, 10:35:03 AM
Very nice industrial feel to it, methinks :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: daveg on November 07, 2015, 02:58:04 PM
Wot SkylineUK said.  Maybe a few roofs giving some perspective but apart from that don't change a thing..

Agree - nice one.  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: David Asquith on November 07, 2015, 06:24:12 PM
Another great bit of modelling.  The backscene is very effective and also unique which is nice to see.

Dave
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on November 09, 2015, 10:55:52 PM
 :hellosign: quite happy with the look of backdrop. Can anyone give me any ideas on what I could do alone the top of viaduct where it meets the base of the buildings? I was thinking something like moss or similar. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thx.[Limit reached]
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: daveg on November 10, 2015, 06:51:09 AM
Maybe vary the colour/weathering of the capping on the viaduct could look good and and add an occasional bush or shrub growing out of the wall.

I quite often see buddleja bushes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddleja) growing out of the brickwork and there are some (plus other foliage) on the railway bridge over the Severn here in Worcester.

HTH.

Dave G
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on November 30, 2015, 10:52:02 PM
 :hellosign: with the weather being so dire I decided to finally crack on with building my Metcalfe Pub and Shop. Much more fiddly than the engine sheds built previously but looking ok, a couple of mistakes made this time around but not repeated next time. Spent some time adding [Limit reached]little details to the layout, I'm especially pleased with the flashing Amber beacons fitted to my forklift's for the £3.00 spent. Only another 10 or so metcalfe kits left to assemble, so looking forward to that. I find building these quite satisfying. Lots left still to do but hay, I'm in no rush. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: daveg on December 01, 2015, 06:16:15 AM
Nicely done, Marcus.  :thumbsup:

Thanks for the update.

Dave G
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 01, 2015, 07:09:18 AM
Very nice work, Marcus. Thanks for the update.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on December 05, 2015, 06:01:52 PM
 :thumbsup: now that I have resolved derailing issues, one of my favourite loco's. Poorly fitted pony spring was the culprit but once I fitted it correctly, she runs now without any issues. I thought I'd purchased a lemon but now absolutely looks [Limit reached]the part. Now a great addition to my growing fleet. :beers:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: joe cassidy on December 05, 2015, 06:25:38 PM
Hi Marcus.

Going back to your question about the backscene, I would suggest leaving some gaps between the buildings, which are all touching one another.

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 05, 2015, 06:28:48 PM
Excellent, Marcus.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Newportnobby on December 05, 2015, 09:42:43 PM
I also really like my weathered 9F but think it's let down by the uniformly striped tender :hmmm:
Well done on sorting it.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on December 05, 2015, 09:59:04 PM
I also really like my weathered 9F but think it's let down by the uniformly striped tender :hmmm:
Well done on sorting it.
I agree with you about the weathering on the tender, it's looks even more noticeable on the picture.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on January 08, 2016, 07:28:22 PM
It's been a little slow the past few weeks due to good old work commitments so only had time for a few changes. I've altered yet again final part of layout so now I can operate it as another continuous loop giving me now for loops and a branch line. I think in future, any more builds will be planned from the offset :D.
I have moved the station from previous location to new location giving me more room for a through station and more loco storage, to be honest, I'm much happier with this setup than before. I've built a small cattle dock that will be incorporated into farm that will eventually be built using the metcalfe kits once I get time. Purchased an old metcalfe kit incorporating a water tower and sand house, I have no idea what or where you would locate a sand house so I'll need to give goggle a look see. Apparently metcalfe no longer make this kit so may be difficult to get hold of in the near future. Santa(the wife) put under Xmas tree a class 156 that's a lovely runner so really happy with that. That's it for now but hopefully I'll be able to spend some overdue time in the man shed and crack on. :D  :D[Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached]
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 08, 2016, 07:44:44 PM
Looking very good, Marcus. I believe that a 'sand house' might have been used at a large loco. shed to dry the sand that locos. used to put on greasy track to enable the wheels to grip?
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on January 08, 2016, 07:53:53 PM
Looking very good, Marcus. I believe that a 'sand house' might have been used at a large loco. shed to dry the sand that locos. used to put on greasy track to enable the wheels to grip?
thx. I wondered why the chimney but obviously to dry or keep dry the sand. Now I know where to locate it on my layout.  :beers:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: ShakyZZR on January 08, 2016, 09:35:58 PM
Hi Marcus. I only joined a few days ago and have been steadily working my way through the threads............needless to say, when I stumbled across this one I was blown away ! You obviously have a "feel" for detailing even though you still seem to put yourself down a little bit. there's really no need as your results are amazing.

When you say you're ex RAF, where you actually designing the aircraft or in the drawing-office (if they have such a thing) because I wouldn't have been surprised after seeing your work.

Absolutely stunning and you should be well proud of your accomplishments. I can only hope that when I eventually begin mine, I can replicate some of your standards and quality.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on January 08, 2016, 10:17:54 PM
Hi Marcus. I only joined a few days ago and have been steadily working my way through the threads............needless to say, when I stumbled across this one I was blown away ! You obviously have a "feel" for detailing even though you still seem to put yourself down a little bit. there's really no need as your results are amazing.

When you say you're ex RAF, where you actually designing the aircraft or in the drawing-office (if they have such a thing) because I wouldn't have been surprised after seeing your work.

Absolutely stunning and you should be well proud of your accomplishments. I can only hope that when I eventually begin mine, I can replicate some of your standards and quality.
Hi Shaky. Thx for comment and welcome to the forum. No I wasn't designing aircraft in the RAF, just a humble aircraft engineer✈️. The forum is a great place to ask and get help, everyone on here are always willing to help. I'll look forward to when you start your build as I find it fascinating following other builds. Feel free to watch my YouTube video, a bit out of date now but I'll post a new one shortly. Again, thx for comments. Resistance IS futile so go for it. You mention the Borg so you'll understand..... :beers:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on January 16, 2016, 12:04:03 AM
😡 ahhhh! Feeling really frustrated at the minute. My builds in the shed and its b*****y freezing. I don't mind the cold so much but it's taking its toll on the build. I tried to do a little more ballasting with the usual 50/50 water/Pva mx but is taking forever to dry. It's been 3 days now and the glue is still white and wet and where it has started to go off, it's not drying clear. I've come to the conclusion that I'll have to wait until the weather gets warmer....what a bummer!
It's times like this I get a little envious of those building in spare rooms and lofts.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 16, 2016, 09:03:38 PM
It makes painting models difficult even inside a flat, Marcus, as I have at least window wide open. Fortunately, it's not been so cold recently.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on January 16, 2016, 11:12:48 PM
It makes painting models difficult even inside a flat, Marcus, as I have at least window wide open. Fortunately, it's not been so cold recently.
I've ordered today a greenhouse heater off eBay that I can leave on 24hrs, only cost a few pence a day to run, won't turn shed into a sauna but enough to take the chill away. I managed to do a little more to the scenery using non water based glue so hopefully that's all good when I check in the morning. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 17, 2016, 07:22:22 AM
It makes painting models difficult even inside a flat, Marcus, as I have at least window wide open. Fortunately, it's not been so cold recently.
I've ordered today a greenhouse heater off eBay that I can leave on 24hrs, only cost a few pence a day to run, won't turn shed into a sauna but enough to take the chill away. I managed to do a little more to the scenery using non-water based glue so hopefully, that's all good when I check in the morning. :thumbsup:

That sounds like a very reasonable investment, Marcus. I hope that the heater solves the problem for you and you can get on with your layout. It snowed here, again, overnight and quite a lot of snow. However, if I dress up warmly, I can still paint with a window open then, later, close the window and turn the radiators up!
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Greybeema on January 17, 2016, 08:00:57 AM
It makes painting models difficult even inside a flat, Marcus, as I have at least window wide open. Fortunately, it's not been so cold recently.
I've ordered today a greenhouse heater off eBay that I can leave on 24hrs, only cost a few pence a day to run, won't turn shed into a sauna but enough to take the chill away. I managed to do a little more to the scenery using non water based glue so hopefully that's all good when I check in the morning. :thumbsup:

Looks like you could do with some insulation in that shend.  Could you fit some sort of insulation board to the walls a ceiling?  That way any heat you put into the building won't escape straight away..
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on January 17, 2016, 08:42:40 AM
It makes painting models difficult even inside a flat, Marcus, as I have at least window wide open. Fortunately, it's not been so cold recently.
I've ordered today a greenhouse heater off eBay that I can leave on 24hrs, only cost a few pence a day to run, won't turn shed into a sauna but enough to take the chill away. I managed to do a little more to the scenery using non-water based glue so hopefully, that's all good when I check in the morning. :thumbsup:

That sounds like a very reasonable investment, Marcus. I hope that the heater solves the problem for you and you can get on with your layout. It snowed here, again, overnight and quite a lot of snow. However, if I dress up warmly, I can still paint with a window open then, later, close the window and turn the radiators up!
We also had snow here last night, won't be around for long but sheds not so cold this morning. I do have a fan heater in the shed but it's not wise to leave these running unsupervised plus the fact they eat electricity. Should have thought about shed heater before.❄️
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on January 17, 2016, 08:47:46 AM
It makes painting models difficult even inside a flat, Marcus, as I have at least window wide open. Fortunately, it's not been so cold recently.
I've ordered today a greenhouse heater off eBay that I can leave on 24hrs, only cost a few pence a day to run, won't turn shed into a sauna but enough to take the chill away. I managed to do a little more to the scenery using non water based glue so hopefully that's all good when I check in the morning. :thumbsup:

Looks like you could do with some insulation in that shend.  Could you fit some sort of insulation board to the walls a ceiling?  That way any heat you put into the building won't escape straight away..
Hi. I have insulated shed with insulation board apart from back wall. It's my intention to finish this this week. When I purchased shed it was hot and sunny and insulation was the last thing on my mind. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on January 17, 2016, 09:25:12 AM
 :hellosign: Can anyone please tell me the scale distancing between telegraph poles on my layout? I've been looking at images but it's difficult to judge👍
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 17, 2016, 09:53:12 AM
Fitting insulation, especially under the roof, is certainly an excellent investment.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Newportnobby on January 17, 2016, 09:56:38 AM
:hellosign: Can anyone please tell me the scale distancing between telegraph poles on my layout? I've been looking at images but it's difficult to judge👍

60-65 yards between the poles, Marcus although, in practice, I found it looked better if this was condensed.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on January 17, 2016, 10:14:09 AM
:hellosign: Can anyone please tell me the scale distancing between telegraph poles on my layout? I've been looking at images but it's difficult to judge👍

60-65 yards between the poles, Marcus although, in practice, I found it looked better if this was condensed.
Thx. So roughly 10 cm apart should do it👍
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on January 17, 2016, 10:17:58 AM
Fitting insulation, especially under the roof, is certainly an excellent investment.
Once I've finished back wall the roof will certainly get insulated. Would have been easier if I thought about this before build... Doh!!
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Gary Burcombe on January 17, 2016, 10:23:40 AM
By my mathematical reasoning thus, if 60 - 65 yards = 180 - 195 feet, then at 2mm per foot the spacing would be 360mm - 390mm, or 36 to 39cm
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on January 17, 2016, 10:46:43 AM
By my mathematical reasoning thus, if 60 - 65 yards = 180 - 195 feet, then at 2mm per foot the spacing would be 360mm - 390mm, or 36 to 39cm
Oops! My calculations were a tad off.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Newportnobby on January 17, 2016, 10:53:47 AM
By my mathematical reasoning thus, if 60 - 65 yards = 180 - 195 feet, then at 2mm per foot the spacing would be 360mm - 390mm, or 36 to 39cm


There's nothing wrong with your maths, Gary, but I think it depends on the space available to set the poles in. For example, the middle scenic board on my end to end layout is just 36" long so if I had spaced the poles prototypically there would only have been 2-3 poles. As I was trying to create the impression of more length I condensed the spacing and have 6 poles which, to me, does not look unreasonable.......
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/18/thumb_28701.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28701)
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: port perran on January 17, 2016, 10:56:29 AM
I agree with Mick. Sometimes you have to compromise on absolute authenticity to achieve a good look.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on January 17, 2016, 12:00:49 PM
 :thankyousign: Thx for advice. On my size layout I will probably space them about 30 cm apart, I just needed a rough indication. Thx all again.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on January 23, 2016, 05:50:44 PM
Well I managed to spend  a couple of hours in the shed. Although I was happy with the static grass, the more I looked at it, it looked to uniform in height. I decided to add some 4mm grass using applicator to make it less uniformed in appearance, I think it looks much better, especially around the base of the recently fitted fencing. I've ordered some more trees that I'll be strategically placing around the layout as these help to add depth. I've started working on the center section, haven't quite decided what direction to go in, although it will blend in with first part of build. I'm going to wait until the whole layout is at the same level before placing signals, then I'll decide on the old type or lights.
Hopefully my shed heater arrives over the next few days, roll on summer. :thumbsup:[Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached]
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 06, 2016, 01:12:20 AM

Today was an absolute mare at work so I thought I would treat myself to Chicken Korma followed by a few hours in the "Shed"
I have started on the middle section of layout by placing retaining walls, bridges etc and blending the first hill into second part of layout. I was going to use the Metcalfe retaining walls but decided to go on as previously attempted, plus the £70.00 cost may have had something to do with it :D
I have purchased some point motors that I'll be fitting over the next few days, and as this is my first ever build I'm sure that will be a learning curve but looking forward to it. Going to be spending a few hours in the shed tomorrow tidying up the wires under the board, starting to look like the spaghetti junction, and there's still loads of wiring to do, droppers, lighting etc. Off to bed so all have a good weekend :D[Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached]
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Bealman on February 06, 2016, 01:20:02 AM
Looking good!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 06, 2016, 06:21:57 AM
Looking very good, Marcus. You're making fast progress.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 07, 2016, 07:14:07 PM
I wasn't sure how on how to blend the hill on first build into the middle section but I'm really pleased on how it looks. I'm feeling more confident as the build goes on, in fact some of my first attempts on start of build I'm not now happy with so I'll address those niggles later. I'm still toying on altering final section to incorporate an upper level similar to PNP's, just to add a little more interest to the layout, I'll put my thinking hat on later and see if it's possible. Happy days :D[Limit reached] :beers:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: port perran on February 07, 2016, 07:46:41 PM
Excellent scenic modelling.
Looks amazing. Please keep up the good work.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 07, 2016, 07:53:20 PM
The scenic work looks very good indeed.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 13, 2016, 05:01:42 PM



Just got back from the show at Milton Keynes. I didn't enjoy it as much as I had hoped, it was packed solid and really difficult to see anything. I always like to look at other N gauge layouts in the flesh so to speak but didn't get that much of a chance. Purchased a few bits and pieces but that's about it. House to myself today so a good excuse to spend a few hours in the shed followed by a few episodes of Star Trek later...perfect :D

Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on February 13, 2016, 05:29:57 PM
As always your layout is looking good.
Bob
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Ditape on February 13, 2016, 06:17:03 PM
your layout is looking good. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 13, 2016, 10:10:11 PM
 :hellosign: Had a productive few hours on Marcroft this evening, I've started work on what will eventually become part of my farm, apart from the cattle dock, just so Mr farmer can load his cows to sell at market, I've also incorporated a small general goods platform again for farm goods to flog.
More Detailing needed on the small access road and possibly a single yard light. As my farmer's a bit of a horder, I thought I would have ago at making some rusty, long forgotten cars.
 I spent ages trying to get the fencing straight, even with the holes drilled the same distance apart, proved frustrating but looking at images on google I'm not alone, plus I suppose old fencing in real life isn't going to be perfectly straight.
Carried out a little more ballesting until my never runs out bottle of Pva glue, err, ran out so off to B&q in the morning.
Well, hope you all enjoy the rest of the weekend, looking forward to a few more hours in the cave tomorrow :beers:[Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached]
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 13, 2016, 10:19:54 PM
 :hellosign:     :greatpicturessign:  looking good many thanks for the update Marcus
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 14, 2016, 06:49:51 AM
Thnks for the update, Marcus. The photos. are very good and the scenic work and ballasting are excellent.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 14, 2016, 07:32:21 AM
Thnks for the update, Marcus. The photos. are very good and the scenic work and ballasting are excellent.
Hi Chris. The pictures never come out as crisp as the original once the file has been resized to allow the upload, to me they come out looking a little fuzzy.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 14, 2016, 08:12:26 AM
As always your layout is looking good.
Bob
Hi Bob.
 Hopefully I'll be in your area soon, still looking forward to seeing your layout in the flesh. Will contact you shortly for a "Play" 🚂🚂
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 14, 2016, 02:38:06 PM
Hi all. Just a quick update from yesterday. Added a little more detail to the farm area, started applying base level static grass near newly completed ballesting. Once this has dried I'll add other textures later. All in all, busy few hours but that's it for now layout wise so for the rest of today I'll concentrate on building the metcalfe farm buildings and then onto the low profile shops and cinema my dearest wife surprised me with from the show yesterday :beers:[Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached]
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 14, 2016, 03:43:17 PM
Really nice, scenic work, Marcus. You've almost persuaded me to invest in static grass, too! 8-)
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 14, 2016, 03:50:06 PM
Really nice, scenic work, Marcus. You've almost persuaded me to invest in static grass, too! 8-)
Static grass applicator £8.00 of eBay so not really a huge investment but it does make all the difference. Thx again for your kind words. :beers:
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 14, 2016, 05:13:27 PM
 :hellosign: Marcus nice scenics, looking good thanks for sharing
regards Derek .
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: port perran on February 14, 2016, 05:16:31 PM
Very nice scenic work indeed.
Looking good.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 15, 2016, 11:11:48 PM
 :hellosign: Just another quick update carrying on from yesterday. Finished work early today so spent another couple of hours on "Marcroft" managed to complete the cattle dock which I'm quite pleased with. Lorry in the picture is way out of date but again, something my wife surprised me with so, on the layout it will stay .I wasn't really happy with how the road crossing the track looked, so I replaced with thinly cut card to resemble old planks, again happy with how it looks. Tomorrow I'm hoping to build The metcalfe farm buildings  and do a little more ballesting. C u again soon.[Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached]
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 16, 2016, 12:03:41 AM
 :hellosign: Excellent modelling Marcus,looking brilliant thanks for sharing
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Layout under construction.
Post by: port perran on February 16, 2016, 08:11:48 AM
Yes, the crossing looks good I think as does the cattle dock.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 21, 2016, 03:43:55 PM
 :hellosign: Enjoyed a few hours in the shed today playing trains. I love the Metcalfe kits and think they look suburb, but my layout is very red brick dominated, so I thought I would have a go at a kit built barn to go alongside my Metcalfe farm I'm modelling. I found this a little fidley at times but glad I stuck with it, because I'm really happy with how it came out. Ill definitely look at other kits now as it does break up my layout and looks great in situ. Going to treat myself to another couple of hour so I'll c u all later. :beers:[Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 21, 2016, 10:30:01 PM
 :hellosign: That`s a very nice kit very well built Marcus, look forward to seeing it on the layout, thanks for the update
regards Derek.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 24, 2016, 07:12:07 PM
Hi. A little while back I mentioned that I purchased of eBay some trees I decided not to use because I thought they were to dark and others to bright. I had a go at covering some in scatter more suitable in colour, I mixed them up a little and don't think they look to bad now. Was going to bin them but I'll see how they look once the rest of the scenery has been applied.[Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 25, 2016, 09:12:16 PM
 :hellosign: imo no two trees are exactly the same shade so why not?
regards Derek.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 27, 2016, 10:37:22 PM
 :hellosign: House to myself again today so I thought I'd spend some time in the shed. Started building the farm using the good old metcalfe kit, I find building these nice and relaxing. As mentioned on a earlier post, I have made a little horsey field my wife requested, just got to make some various jumps to finish it off. Still loads to do, looking forward to adding the scenery around the farm hopefully bringing it to "life".
Nipping over to Nottingham tomorrow, visiting a model railway exhibition, so I'll be on the lookout for some detailing items for around the farm. It's all fun fun fun :D[Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on February 27, 2016, 10:48:24 PM
The farm looks very good, Marcus :thumbsup:
Any chance of a close up of the lorry parked on the ramp of the cattle dock, please?
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 27, 2016, 11:20:12 PM
The farm looks very good, Marcus :thumbsup:
Any chance of a close up of the lorry parked on the ramp of the cattle dock, please?
No problem. I'll post a close up tomorrow. The lorry is way to old for my layout, wife picked it up at a show a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: JasonBz on February 27, 2016, 11:37:59 PM
You would be surprised how long some agriculture related vehicles are kept in use - in the early 90s I used to regularly use a Fordson Major in anger!!

I hope it is constructive, but I think the back of the Farmhouse would face onto the yard....Tradesman's entrance and all that :)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 27, 2016, 11:52:59 PM
You would be surprised how long some agriculture related vehicles are kept in use - in the early 90s I used to regularly use a Fordson Major in anger!!

I hope it is constructive, but I think the back of the Farmhouse would face onto the yard....Tradesman's entrance and all that :)
umm! Didn't really think about that, although,Where we keep our real horse, the front door of the farmhouse does actually faces the yard with just a strip of lawn and small fence.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: daveg on February 28, 2016, 09:03:25 AM
Nice looking layout of the farm combo. Like the menage and cattle dock too.

Metcalfe kits are a great way of spending several hours. Which glue have you used with them. I use Roket as I can't cope with UHU, it strings so much.

Coming along really well.  :greatpicturessign:

Dave G
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: David Asquith on February 28, 2016, 10:15:24 AM
Another excellent build Marcus. You have a really good scenic eye if you know what I mean.

Dave
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 28, 2016, 10:28:39 AM
Nice looking layout of the farm combo. Like the menage and cattle dock too.

Metcalfe kits are a great way of spending several hours. Which glue have you used with them. I use Roket as I can't cope with UHU, it strings so much.

Coming along really well.  :greatpicturessign:

Dave G
Thx dave.
I use Pva wood glue, it dries clear and is absolutely rock solid and adds enormous strength to the kits. Only problem is that it dries very, very quickly on contact. Try and remove or adjust something you've stuck down,even after just a few seconds and it will tear, rip or spoil your pride and joy. Personally, I think it's the best once you get to grips with it. :beers:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 28, 2016, 10:39:55 AM
The farm looks very good, Marcus :thumbsup:
Any chance of a close up of the lorry parked on the ramp of the cattle dock, please?
Hope this is ok :wave:[Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on February 28, 2016, 10:43:07 AM
Smashing.  :thankyousign:

Can you recall where you sourced it, please?
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 28, 2016, 10:58:29 AM
Smashing.  :thankyousign:

Can you recall where you sourced it, please?
Milton Keynes model railway exhibition. Just curious but why the interest? :)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on February 28, 2016, 11:31:10 AM
Smashing.  :thankyousign:

Can you recall where you sourced it, please?
Milton Keynes model railway exhibition. Just curious but why the interest? :)

I'm trying to source a 1960s style cattle lorry and that one looks like it could be modified to fit the bill, Marcus.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Jerry Howlett on February 28, 2016, 11:50:48 AM
Mick it looks "foreign" to me, now that today is confusing cause you is foreign nowadays...  I have a vague recollection that there was a review in the NGS Journal about a German company producing commercial vehicles.  Could be one of theirs.

Jerry
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: JasonBz on February 28, 2016, 12:12:14 PM
Max Marotzke are a German Logistics firm - No doubt based at Berlin Tegal as it says on the van :P
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on February 28, 2016, 04:31:14 PM
Smashing.  :thankyousign:

Can you recall where you sourced it, please?
Milton Keynes model railway exhibition. Just curious but why the interest? :) well, I'd be interested in a part exchange for something more up to date if you fancy it :)

I'm trying to source a 1960s style cattle lorry and that one looks like it could be modified to fit the bill, Marcus.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on February 28, 2016, 04:45:25 PM
With my layouts set in the 1960s I don't have anything more up to date, Marcus :doh: :no:
If you're up for selling it, though, please drop me a PM ;)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 02, 2016, 10:08:21 PM
 :hellosign: Finished work a little early today so I thought I would have a couple of hours working on the layout. I've had ago on the small lane leading from the yard to the ménage, surprising how long just a small section can take to try and get it looking half decent. Got a 3am start in the morning so hopefully I'll get back early and crack on. Big exhibition next weekend so I'll be on the prowl for some detailing items, Nottingham had some great layouts but little in "bits and pieces"  Night all :D[Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: JasonBz on March 02, 2016, 10:09:34 PM
Oh that looks good....

though you seem to have missed off the letters around the menage  :D <<jokin!>>
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 02, 2016, 10:13:52 PM
Very nice work, Marcus. Highly realistic.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 02, 2016, 10:27:39 PM
Oh that looks good....

though you seem to have missed off the letters around the menage  :D <<jokin!>>
No your right. I will be placing the letters around the ménage along with jumps I'm making. I'm also looking for some lights to place in each corner that don't look like "yard" lights. Got to get this looking the part or wife will be very critical...Lol. :beers:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 02, 2016, 10:33:22 PM
Very nice work, Marcus. Highly realistic.
Thx. I'm pleased with how it looks, just needs a little static grass applied once completely dry. This build is giving me immense enjoyment, I'll have to start another when complet....Lol
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: JasonBz on March 02, 2016, 10:36:27 PM
Oh that looks good....

though you seem to have missed off the letters around the menage  :D <<jokin!>>
No your right. I will be placing the letters around the ménage along with jumps I'm making. I'm also looking for some lights to place in each corner that don't look like "yard" lights. Got to get this looking the part or wife will be very critical...Lol. :beers:

When I used to drive the Fordson in anger (previous post) it often was to rake a menage, or take a bowser full of water to the more distant fields at my local livery yard/riding stables so all this is most interesting to me :)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 02, 2016, 10:42:33 PM
Oh that looks good....

though you seem to have missed off the letters around the menage  :D <<jokin!>>
No your right. I will be placing the letters around the ménage along with jumps I'm making. I'm also looking for some lights to place in each corner that don't look like "yard" lights. Got to get this looking the part or wife will be very critical...Lol. :beers:

When I used to drive the Fordson in anger (previous post) it often was to rake a menage, or take a bowser full of water to the more distant fields at my local livery yard/riding stables so all this is most interesting to me :)
where we keep our horse we are just in the process of getting the ménage back up to form as it has been left a while through lack of use.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 05, 2016, 07:47:47 PM
[Limit reached]Hi all.
Spent a few hours on the build today. The farm had some new arrivals from the local livestock market, some cows, Horses, sheep, and are settling in nicely. I've enjoyed starting to bring the farm to life, but even at this early stage, I realise I have a long way to go getting it to how I would eventually like.  I need trees, lots of trees, so I'll be looking on good old eBay later. I was pondering earlier, looking at everything overall, and came to the conclusion that I would like to re visit some my efforts from the beginning of build. I feel that I now could do a better job on certain aspects on the scenery etc. Busy day tomorrow, out with the family so not much going on, build wise, but there's always Monday. :thumbsup:[Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: wookie on March 05, 2016, 07:56:10 PM
It's looking just grand  :D
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 05, 2016, 08:30:25 PM
Really excellent scenic modelling, Marcus. Very realistic work. If you need more trees there may well be a NGF member (not me) who sells them. 8-)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on March 05, 2016, 08:35:41 PM
Very nice work, Marcus :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 05, 2016, 10:36:41 PM
Really excellent scenic modelling, Marcus. Very realistic work. If you need more trees there may well be a NGF member (not me) who sells them. 8-)
Thx Chris. There's a shop called " The model tree shop" that sells trees at a great price, and look the part.  :)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bealman on March 05, 2016, 11:03:10 PM
That's looking really good. Love the cattle dock with the small string of cattle wagons alongside.

You've captured the colour and texture of a farm road perfectly.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 05, 2016, 11:12:18 PM
The cattle vans need to be shunted, in turn, so that the van door / ramp, lines up exactly with the trackside gate on the cattle dock. (As a friend reminded me.)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 05, 2016, 11:45:25 PM
That's looking really good. Love the cattle dock with the small string of cattle wagons alongside.

You've captured the colour and texture of a farm road perfectly.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Thx. :thankyousign: Took a while before I found the colour I thought suitable. These tester pots from b&q have proven to be quite useful  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 06, 2016, 08:35:21 PM
Good evening all. Just before I shoot off for a meal with my wife, I thought I would put a couple of snaps showing a little more work on the farm. I'm quite happy with how it's looking, I'd like to think the fields look realistic enough. The tractor divots on the field going onto the yard was something I wasn't sure about, but Gerry (wife) likes it  so it'll remain and it did look better once i toned tyre tracks down and blended it in better. Still trying to find some water troughs, hay feeders etc to add more realism to the fields etc. Well, off for a nice meal and a pint. :)[Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 06, 2016, 09:25:09 PM
Thank you, Marcus, for another excellent set of photos. of superb scenic modelling.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 06, 2016, 10:01:49 PM
Thank you, Marcus, for another excellent set of photos. of superb scenic modelling.
Thx Chris. I'm really enjoying the build. Always looking on eBay for those elusive detailing finds, old wagon wheels, barrels, milk urns, push bikes, a couple of old horse drawn wagons strategically placed around the farm would look good. :) again thx for your comments.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: JasonBz on March 06, 2016, 10:14:27 PM
Very quick pint and dinner there! :)

I dunno if they are your era or thing but the RTP Scenecraft "modern barns" seem to be ever so cheap on Ebay at the mo.....and they are very farmy, to me :)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 06, 2016, 10:22:21 PM
Very quick pint and dinner there! :)

I dunno if they are your era or thing but the RTP Scenecraft "modern barns" seem to be ever so cheap on Ebay at the mo.....and they are very farmy, to me :)
wife's on Facebook, I'm on the iPad using pubs wifi. I'll have a look at those barns. Thx  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: JasonBz on March 06, 2016, 10:24:38 PM
They should be no more than about £15 or so....
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 07, 2016, 08:53:41 PM
Hi all. Another shot from a different angle showing small Sheep paddock just completed. I need to slow down, I feel like I'm spending all my spare time in the shed.....is that a bad thing? :)[Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 07, 2016, 09:01:17 PM
Definitely, a great way to spend your time, Marcus. The results are excellent. All that's left now are the trackside fences and telegraph poles?
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 07, 2016, 10:19:19 PM
Definitely, a great way to spend your time, Marcus. The results are excellent. All that's left now are the trackside fences and telegraph poles?
Just need to find out where exactly fences and poles would actually be placed. Need to look at images on Google. :)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on March 07, 2016, 10:42:53 PM
I need to slow down, I feel like I'm spending all my spare time in the shed.....is that a bad thing? :)

As long as you are enjoying it, then fine. Don't let it become a duty/chore to you, though :no:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: JasonBz on March 07, 2016, 11:29:01 PM
Definitely, a great way to spend your time, Marcus. The results are excellent. All that's left now are the trackside fences and telegraph poles?
Just need to find out where exactly fences and poles would actually be placed. Need to look at images on Google. :)

How do you mean as to the "where they would be placed" ? I may be able to help ;)

Talking of sheeps in paddocks, my mate's wife has three of them as "pets"  in their paddock, and the things even have names :D No  mutton chops there I suspect!
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: MrDobilina on March 09, 2016, 02:01:06 PM
Hey, very late to the game but I have to say I flipping love this layout and progress. I will be stealing some ideas for my farm area if that's ok haha :)

What size board are you working with here?

I realise you changed your layout several times as you worked on it but did you have a track plan anywhere? Are those insul frog turnouts or did you go for the full electrofrogs?

love the roadway to the sheep paddock area, what kind of base did you use for that?
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Maurits71 on March 09, 2016, 09:10:59 PM
Hi Marcus, had a read through from the start. excellent build and love your eye for detail
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 10, 2016, 12:34:08 AM
 :hellosign: Had a busy day at work, quite stressful so once home, I went straight to the shed. I took a bit of a gamble with the farm house, thought I would have a go at weathering the foofs a little thinking if this doesn't work, I'm stuffed. Luckily, it seems to have worked ok. I added a little more detail around the farm, the sheep are enjoying their first meal in their pen. Someone has left the cow paddock gate open..doh!
Just need to add a little static grass here and there but unfortunately I've ran out, ordered some off eBay so should be here Friday. All in all, not to bad a day :)[Limit reached][Limit reached][Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 10, 2016, 12:46:51 AM
Hey, very late to the game but I have to say I flipping love this layout and progress. I will be stealing some ideas for my farm area if that's ok haha :)

What size board are you working with here?

I realise you changed your layout several times as you worked on it but did you have a track plan anywhere? Are those insul frog turnouts or did you go for the full electrofrogs?

love the roadway to the sheep paddock area, what kind of base did you use for that?
:hellosign: it's always nice to have someone new reading my posts. My board sizes are 8x3.5    6x3.5   5x3.5 so giving a run of 19x3.5 If laid end to end.
The road surface was simply a little ballast glued onto a base layer of paint then painted over with colour of choice.
I have used insulfrog purely because being a total novice, the extra wiring seemed a little puzzling. I have placed droppers just before and after each point and to be honest, trains run lovely and smooth. Again thx for your kind comments and catch you again soon. Marcus.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 10, 2016, 12:49:05 AM
Hi Marcus, had a read through from the start. excellent build and love your eye for detail
Hi and welcome to my post. Thx for your comments. :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: wookie on March 10, 2016, 06:46:39 PM
Life down on the farm looks very good Marcus
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: PostModN66 on March 10, 2016, 07:15:16 PM
Life down on the farm looks very good Marcus


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Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 12, 2016, 12:20:17 PM
 :hellosign: Well, I've made a big decision today regarding Marcroft. I have decided to dismantle the layout and venture onto other interests. It was fun whilst it lasted but I have other projects I'd like to venture into.

Only joking! I absolutely love my layout. Seriously though, farm will be the last thing I progress on from until I have made a few changes to the first part of the build. Nothing major, just a few niggles id like to change. Going to spend a couple of hours building some more metcalf kits as I'd like to start on the upper level on original build. Tummy's rumbling so off for a nice bacon butty. :)[Limit reached][Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 12, 2016, 02:34:19 PM
Many thanks, Marcus, for another set of lovely pictures. In the UK, all main railway lines have to be protected by fences. In the countryside, like yours, I would use standard 'wooden' ones. I look forward to the next updates.

Best regards,
Chris
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 13, 2016, 07:11:16 PM
 :hellosign: Thanks for the latest updates  :greatpicturessign: nice modelling
regards Derek.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: daveg on March 13, 2016, 08:01:56 PM
Looking very good.

Well done that bloke.

Bacon butty well deserved!  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bealman on March 13, 2016, 08:09:50 PM
I love that farmyard! The cattle really set it off.

All this talk about bacon butties is making me think I'll have one for breakfast this morning instead of me usual boiled egg  :hmmm: :food:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 14, 2016, 06:22:15 PM
I love that farmyard! The cattle really set it off.

All this talk about bacon butties is making me think I'll have one for breakfast this morning instead of me usual boiled egg  :hmmm: :food:
Your breakfast is our Tea.... :D
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 14, 2016, 06:29:10 PM
I love that farmyard! The cattle really set it off.

All this talk about bacon butties is making me think I'll have one for breakfast this morning instead of me usual boiled egg  :hmmm: :food:
Hi thx. I'm really pleased with how the farm came out. Im returning to original build changing a few things now that I've gained a little more experience and have more confidence. Nothing major, just minor things. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 14, 2016, 06:30:43 PM
Looking very good.

Well done that bloke.

Bacon butty well deserved!  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Bacon butty went down well.... :beers:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Oldman on March 14, 2016, 06:34:54 PM
Something missing maybe - dairy or beef farm?
If dairy churns,milk tanker or cheese factory might be good.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Mr PJ on March 14, 2016, 07:33:13 PM
Hello Marcus,
Glad to see you have left plenty of room for some scenic modelling, and avoided the temptation of maximum track and sidings. The Metcalf kits look a lot better with a bit of weathering. If weathering the roofs goes wrong you could always use some plasticard sheets (which can also be a good way of improving them).
Cheers
Paul
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: port perran on March 14, 2016, 07:35:40 PM
Nice work.
I really like the farm and surrounding area.
Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 14, 2016, 08:10:12 PM
I'd go for dairy churns and a Siphon G van, or a road milk tanker or a rail milk tanker.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: joe cassidy on March 14, 2016, 08:14:51 PM
Don'T Forget the piles of manure, with chips in for dcc odour  :)

Best regards


Joe
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 14, 2016, 08:34:25 PM
I'd go for dairy churns and a Siphon G van, or a road milk tanker or a rail milk tanker.
I don't have a milking shed!  :)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 14, 2016, 08:36:18 PM
I'd go for dairy churns and a Siphon G van, or a road milk tanker or a rail milk tanker.
I don't have a milking shed!  :)

Could you find room for a milking shed?
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 14, 2016, 08:40:03 PM
I'd go for dairy churns and a Siphon G van, or a road milk tanker or a rail milk tanker.
I don't have a milking shed!  :)

Could you find room for a milking shed?
I'll look and see just how big they are and see if I can accommodate....as the farm stands at the min, may be difficult.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 14, 2016, 08:43:24 PM
Could the milking shed be 'off-site'? The milk would then have to be collected from the dairy and brought to the farm siding for loading?
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: daveg on March 14, 2016, 09:15:45 PM
Hello Marcus,
Glad to see you have left plenty of room for some scenic modelling, and avoided the temptation of maximum track and sidings. The Metcalf kits look a lot better with a bit of weathering. If weathering the roofs goes wrong you could always use some plasticard sheets (which can also be a good way of improving them).
Cheers
Paul

Good idea. As an alternative to plasticard, I've just re-roofed the Metcalfe Small Factory kit (PN183) using Redutex slate and I have to say it does improve an already decent kit.

Dave G
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 14, 2016, 09:29:07 PM
A very good tip, Dave. Roofs are very conspicuous in N Scale so it is worth spending the time and effort on making them look as realistic as possible.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 15, 2016, 05:35:49 PM
A very good tip, Dave. Roofs are very conspicuous in N Scale so it is worth spending the time and effort on making them look as realistic as possible.
just thought I'd send you a close up of my farm roofs that I've tried to weather. Not professional by a long shot, but I think they look much better.[Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 15, 2016, 05:43:18 PM
 :hellosign: I thought I'd put up a snap shot of layout from another perspective. I've carried out a little more scenery work on the viaduct and added some course grass on the elevated section of track. Pva still taking a little longer to dry but hopefully as it gets warmer, should be quicker.  :beers:[Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: JasonBz on March 15, 2016, 06:03:40 PM
You certainly have a great eye for observing how things actually are, and interpreting that at 1/148 full size!
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: daveg on March 15, 2016, 06:34:07 PM
 :greatpicturessign:

Cracking view of (some of) the layout!  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: wookie on March 15, 2016, 07:14:02 PM
Very nice  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 15, 2016, 07:21:55 PM
:greatpicturessign:

Cracking view of (some of) the layout!  :thumbsup:

Dave G
I need a wide angle lens :)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: cornish yorkie on March 15, 2016, 09:56:44 PM
 :hellosign: thanks for the   :greatpicturessign: it is looking really excellent
regards Derek.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on March 15, 2016, 10:20:49 PM
You've made a fabulous job of your first layout, Marcus :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: jonclox on March 16, 2016, 11:20:21 AM
:hellosign: I thought I'd put up a snap shot of layout from another perspective. I've carried out a little more scenery work on the viaduct and added some course grass on the elevated section of track. Pva still taking a little longer to dry but hopefully as it gets warmer, should be quicker.  :beers:[Limit reached]
A brilliant job. Well done (Im jealous) of your skills  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 16, 2016, 03:30:48 PM
 :hellosign: Hi chaps.
Just looking for an opinion. I am not an artist by a long shot but have been messing about with various techniques trying to create a "sky" I didn't really want blue sky with white fluffy clouds because I didn't think it would fit in with the industrial look of my layout. What do you think? Be honest....Lol :thankyousign:[Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: JasonBz on March 16, 2016, 03:36:59 PM
Im not much of an artist either; and it does look like a sky - But not one to complement a model railway, IMO.
Its a bit busy and turbulent looking, like there is a storm about to start at sea. (its a bit Turneresque ;) )

Personally I like a light grey blue plain affair for a backscene.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: MrDobilina on March 16, 2016, 03:40:52 PM
:hellosign: Hi chaps.
Just looking for an opinion. I am not an artist by a long shot but have been messing about with various techniques trying to create a "sky" I didn't really want blue sky with white fluffy clouds because I didn't think it would fit in with the industrial look of my layout. What do you think? Be honest....Lol :thankyousign:[Limit reached]


It's good, but I think you can do better (judging by the amazing quality of everything else!)

I've book marked this page for when I get around to doing my layout (not sure I will definitly have a back scene tbh, may just do the edges with clear plastic)

http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=2407&forum_id=58 (http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=2407&forum_id=58)

It may be up your street?

(http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n108/mikelhh/backscene043.jpg)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Jerry Howlett on March 16, 2016, 03:44:22 PM
Looks good to me, I also went for the "grey day" look just used a lot of grimy white and grey but your use of dark blue ( I hope that's right as Mrs "H" accuses me of being colour blind) gives that air of its going to rain...

Jerry
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 16, 2016, 06:32:37 PM
:hellosign: Hi chaps.
Just looking for an opinion. I am not an artist by a long shot but have been messing about with various techniques trying to create a "sky" I didn't really want blue sky with white fluffy clouds because I didn't think it would fit in with the industrial look of my layout. What do you think? Be honest....Lol :thankyousign:[Limit reached]
They make it look all so easy... :)

It's good, but I think you can do better (judging by the amazing quality of everything else!)

I've book marked this page for when I get around to doing my layout (not sure I will definitly have a back scene tbh, may just do the edges with clear plastic)

[url]http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=2407&forum_id=58[/url] ([url]http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=2407&forum_id=58[/url])

It may be up your street?

([url]http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n108/mikelhh/backscene043.jpg[/url])
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 18, 2016, 09:31:24 PM
 Evening all. Decided to run some trains this evening, didn't go too well at first. Trains kept stalling, sluggish and pretty much unresponsive. Due to concentrating on the scenery etc, and not running of the actual loco's, the track became tarnished very quickly  My shed is dry, insulated  and clean, once I cleaned the track it ran perfectly.
Has anyone given those track cleaning cars a go? I'm seriously considering getting one I've seen for 50:00.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: port perran on March 18, 2016, 09:45:24 PM
Evening all. Decided to run some trains this evening, didn't go too well at first. Trains kept stalling, sluggish and pretty much unresponsive. Due to concentrating on the scenery etc, and not running of the actual loco's, the track became tarnished very quickly  My shed is dry, insulated  and clean, once I cleaned the track it ran perfectly.
Has anyone given those track cleaning cars a go? I'm seriously considering getting one I've seen for 50:00.  :thankyousign:
This is a very old chestnut. I don't think you can beat good old IPA applied on a small piece of card. Tedious job but well worth it.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: MrDobilina on March 18, 2016, 10:13:45 PM
This is a very old chestnut. I don't think you can beat good old IPA applied on a small piece of card. Tedious job but well worth it.
I know I'm sill rather new to this but I'm guessing you can't mean to put ale on the tracks?
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bealman on March 18, 2016, 10:36:21 PM
Well he is, sort of.... IPA, as well as being what you think it is, also stands for IsoPropyl Alchohol  ;D
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: dannyboy on March 18, 2016, 10:56:01 PM


I've book marked this page for when I get around to doing my layout (not sure I will definitly have a back scene tbh, may just do the edges with clear plastic)

[url]http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=2407&forum_id=58[/url] ([url]http://yourmodelrailway.net/view_topic.php?id=2407&forum_id=58[/url])



([url]http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n108/mikelhh/backscene043.jpg[/url])


Just looked at this - excellent. Thanks for bringing it to this forum. I also have it bookmarked now.  :thumbsup:. David.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 19, 2016, 06:35:19 AM
Evening all. Decided to run some trains this evening, didn't go too well at first. Trains kept stalling, sluggish and pretty much unresponsive. Due to concentrating on the scenery etc, and not running of the actual loco's, the track became tarnished very quickly  My shed is dry, insulated  and clean, once I cleaned the track it ran perfectly.
Has anyone given those track cleaning cars a go? I'm seriously considering getting one I've seen for 50:00.  :thankyousign:
This is a very old chestnut. I don't think you can beat good old IPA applied on a small piece of card. Tedious job but well worth it.
sounds like it's a common bugbare we all have to put up with. Surprised though just how quickly after cleaning the track gets dull again. High maintenance you can call it I suppose, still, it's worth it :) incidentally, I use the Peco track rubber at the moment.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: daveg on March 19, 2016, 08:28:34 AM
I have a Tomix track cleaner but it's still in its box.

Amazing how quickly the track will collect dirt and dust, especially if you're working on the scenics.

A regular wipe with IPA does make a huge difference. I attach a bit of an old cotton handkerchief to a small piece of batten, just wider than the track and dunk the material in the IPA. It doesn't have to be dripping wet.

Take care when using IPA as it can do damage to painted areas.

Dave G
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: port perran on March 19, 2016, 08:41:44 AM
I soak a small piece of card in IPA and then rub it around the track. You will be amazed at how much black stuff comes off the track.
By the way , you can but IPA from EBay.
Good to get a wheel cleaner as well.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 19, 2016, 09:06:41 AM
I have a Tomix track cleaner but it's still in its box.

Amazing how quickly the track will collect dirt and dust, especially if you're working on the scenics.

A regular wipe with IPA does make a huge difference. I attach a bit of an old cotton handkerchief to a small piece of batten, just wider than the track and dunk the material in the IPA. It doesn't have to be dripping wet.

Take care when using IPA as it can do damage to painted areas.

Dave G
Still in its box? Not that good then? :)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: JasonBz on March 19, 2016, 10:32:22 AM
Back to the sky for a mo.....
As I look out of the window I have a 180degree long distance panorama of sky to see, and every square inch of it is the same shade of grey today!
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 19, 2016, 10:35:03 AM
It's not much better here, in Prague, Jason, after several very sunny days.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: daveg on March 19, 2016, 11:57:31 AM
I have a Tomix track cleaner but it's still in its box.

Amazing how quickly the track will collect dirt and dust, especially if you're working on the scenics.

A regular wipe with IPA does make a huge difference. I attach a bit of an old cotton handkerchief to a small piece of batten, just wider than the track and dunk the material in the IPA. It doesn't have to be dripping wet.

Take care when using IPA as it can do damage to painted areas.

Dave G
Still in its box? Not that good then? :)

Dunno Marcus - just not had a layout to try it!

I've also go to relocate the user manual/instructions that I think one of our members kindly reproduced in English.

Dave G
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 19, 2016, 02:18:44 PM
Back to the sky for a mo.....
As I look out of the window I have a 180degree long distance panorama of sky to see, and every square inch of it is the same shade of grey today!
Problem sorted. Off to b&q for a tin of grey paint.....Lol!
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 19, 2016, 02:23:49 PM
It's not much better here, in Prague, Jason, after several very sunny days.
It's sweltering here in Leicestershire, it's 80+ outside......Not really 8) it's overcast but not particularly cold, so that's a blessing :)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 19, 2016, 03:29:50 PM
It's not much better here, in Prague, Jason, after several very sunny days.
It's sweltering here in Leicestershire, it's 80+ outside......Not really 8) it's overcast but not particularly cold, so that's a blessing :)

The sun has since come out and it's warmer: 6 degrees C.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 19, 2016, 07:08:58 PM
It's not much better here, in Prague, Jason, after several very sunny days.
It's sweltering here in Leicestershire, it's 80+ outside......Not really 8) it's overcast but not particularly cold, so that's a blessing :)

The sun has since come out and it's warmer: 6 degrees C.
Wow! a heatwave :)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on March 19, 2016, 09:26:09 PM
It's not much better here, in Prague, Jason, after several very sunny days.
It's sweltering here in Leicestershire, it's 80+ outside......Not really 8) it's overcast but not particularly cold, so that's a blessing :)

The sun has since come out and it's warmer: 6 degrees C.
Wow! a heatwave :)

Positively barmy balmy :D
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bealman on March 19, 2016, 09:38:10 PM
I've actually got a jumper on this morning. It's only 20°  :D
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: daveg on March 19, 2016, 09:45:22 PM
I've actually got a jumper on this morning. It's only 20°  :D

Huh! That's nothing! It's 21.8 in our sitting room as we watch the rugby:

France 21 England 25 with 10 minutes plus stoppage to go.

Dave G
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 20, 2016, 12:55:50 AM
I've just eaten my first KFC Zinger double stacker, now that's hot! :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 20, 2016, 12:59:33 AM
I've actually got a jumper on this morning. It's only 20°  :D
I  didn't realise they sold anything in Oz other than T shirts, shorts and flip flops......Lol :D
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 25, 2016, 10:14:29 AM
 :hellosign: As mentioned earlier, I have revisited parts of the layout I felt could be better. One of the areas was the entrance/ exit on the upper street scene level. The opening and height were to large so I reduced this by approx 12mm. Although not perfect, I'm much happier with how this looks now. Just waiting for the trackside fencing to arrive as this important element is still missing from large areas of the layout. I have decided to leave other niggles as I have learnt that trying to remove, or rectify at this late stage, can cause more damage than good. Basically, apart from signals and the finer detailing to be completed, the first part of the layout is looking how I had hoped. I've given myself a nice long weekend so I'll be spending plenty of time in the shed. :beers:[Limit reached][Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on March 25, 2016, 10:28:36 AM
Very nice work, Marcus. I think that looks great :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 25, 2016, 10:38:31 AM
Very nice work, Marcus. I think that looks great :thumbsup:
thx Nobby. This has always been a challenge trying to blend in with rest of layout as this section is removable allowing access to track for cleaning etc. Meant to ask, do you still require lorry?
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on March 25, 2016, 10:41:46 AM
Meant to ask, do you still require lorry?

Yes, please. Could you drop me a PM when the postage has been ascertained please?
 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 25, 2016, 10:43:05 AM
Meant to ask, do you still require lorry?

Yes, please. Could you drop me a PM when the postage has been ascertained please?
 :thankyousign:
No worries.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bealman on March 25, 2016, 01:19:49 PM
Your layout continues to impress.

Have a great Easter break!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 25, 2016, 03:54:17 PM
Your layout continues to impress.

Have a great Easter break!  :thumbsup:
Thx. Don't eat too much of the brown stuff :D
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 30, 2016, 01:59:03 AM
 :hellosign: After a great relaxing Easter break, I decided I would get back to messing around with the sky. After various methods and attempts, I thought "sod it" and went for it. It's on there now, so no going back, unless I painted over it and started again. finally got around to starting the upper level town scene, I meant to start this yonks ago but got side tracked with other parts of build. Anyway, Just realised the time so I'll say goodnight for now[Limit reached] all and catch you later. :sleep:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bealman on March 30, 2016, 02:13:16 AM
That sky looks pretty good to me, mate. And you've just reminded me.... I have that same set of low relief shops I see at the back. Must get round to putting them together. I've never built a Metcalfe kit before.... are they easy?  :beers:

George
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on March 30, 2016, 03:34:02 AM
That sky looks pretty good to me, mate.

Wot he said :)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 30, 2016, 07:53:45 AM
Thanks for the update, Marcus. I look forward to seeing the town develop. There are some nice towns on layouts on the forum using kit buildings as well as scratchbuilt ones.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 30, 2016, 08:09:05 AM
That sky looks pretty good to me, mate. And you've just reminded me.... I have that same set of low relief shops I see at the back. Must get round to putting them together. I've never built a Metcalfe kit before.... are they easy?  :beers:

George
I find the metcalfe kits very easy to put together, as long as you take your time and read the instructions properly. They look good as well. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 30, 2016, 08:20:08 AM
Thanks for the update, Marcus. I look forward to seeing the town develop. There are some nice towns on layouts on the forum using kit buildings as well as scratchbuilt ones.
I always use the forum as a reference, this has given me the inspiration I needed to tackle my build. Some of the scratchbuilt buildings do look superb but I'm happy just to stick to the kits. One quick thought though, all my buildings so far are all red brick, I would like to introduce a little more variation in colour once I get to the final part of layout, maybe try the stone effect brick. :hmmm:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: daveg on March 30, 2016, 08:47:11 AM
Looking good, Marcus.

I agree that too much red brick can look a bit overpowering but there are plenty of towns that are dominated by it.

As examples, Watford has streets and streets of red brick terraces and there's Swindon too, both towns I have lived in. Many terraced houses now are either pebble-dashed or painted so it could depend what era(s) you are modelling.

Mixing stone built with brick does give a variation and there are bound to be areas that have both. Maybe a look around with Google Earth and Maps can give you some ideas.

Dave G
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: JasonBz on March 30, 2016, 10:29:23 AM
Around my area (Sheffield)  a lot of terraced housing is brick but with stone fronting - That would look different if modelling the back of one street and the front of the next...

Easiest way to add some variety is to paint the fronts to look rendered :)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 30, 2016, 11:01:34 AM
Around my area (Sheffield)  a lot of terraced housing is brick but with stone fronting - That would look different if modelling the back of one street and the front of the next...

Easiest way to add some variety is to paint the fronts to look rendered :)
I may have a go at that, be interesting to see result. :hmmm:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Jerry Howlett on March 30, 2016, 11:32:24 AM
I have row upon row of terraced houses all in dirty brick rundown 1960's fashion, these are Scalescenes but they do offer alternate finishes in painted brick / stone cladding etc (including an end where the rest of the row has been demolished)  so if you are up for the challenge you can have a variation of terraces for a small outlay.

Jerry
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 30, 2016, 11:45:54 AM
I have row upon row of terraced houses all in dirty brick rundown 1960's fashion, these are Scalescenes but they do offer alternate finishes in painted brick / stone cladding etc (including an end where the rest of the row has been demolished)  so if you are up for the challenge you can have a variation of terraces for a small outlay.

Jerry
The small area I'm working on at the minute will be mainly metcalf red brick but once I get to the main area on board 3 this is where I'll have to do a little head scratching. Thx for advice though. :beers:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: JasonBz on March 30, 2016, 11:58:00 AM
There is a row of houses near me, where they are a bit paint happy on the rear rendering.
(http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll185/Mickey_Matn/wbsterr1_zps49fn4uk2.jpg)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Jerry Howlett on March 30, 2016, 12:03:15 PM
They seem to have overdosed on the white scatter as well....
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 30, 2016, 12:51:13 PM
They seem to have overdosed on the white scatter as well....
Lol.. :)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on March 30, 2016, 12:52:34 PM
There is a row of houses near me, where they are a bit paint happy on the rear rendering.
([url]http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll185/Mickey_Matn/wbsterr1_zps49fn4uk2.jpg[/url])
well, it would certainly add a little colour to the layout!  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Skyline2uk on March 30, 2016, 04:28:29 PM
Reminds me of some of the houses here in Bristol....

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=multi+coloured+houses+bristol&safe=off&tbm=isch&imgil=fC1wj--AQdmj-M%253A%253B7B2zaNWgOz6w6M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.geograph.org.uk%25252Fphoto%25252F1691827&source=iu&pf=m&fir=fC1wj--AQdmj-M%253A%252C7B2zaNWgOz6w6M%252C_&usg=__RryA7w-yv92HTVjKUFnpGYxnvRA%3D&biw=1366&bih=633&ved=0ahUKEwig-qvN3OjLAhWKuxQKHet6DwIQyjcINw&ei=cvD7VqD5DYr3Uuv1vRA#imgrc=fC1wj--AQdmj-M%3A (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=multi+coloured+houses+bristol&safe=off&tbm=isch&imgil=fC1wj--AQdmj-M%253A%253B7B2zaNWgOz6w6M%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.geograph.org.uk%25252Fphoto%25252F1691827&source=iu&pf=m&fir=fC1wj--AQdmj-M%253A%252C7B2zaNWgOz6w6M%252C_&usg=__RryA7w-yv92HTVjKUFnpGYxnvRA%3D&biw=1366&bih=633&ved=0ahUKEwig-qvN3OjLAhWKuxQKHet6DwIQyjcINw&ei=cvD7VqD5DYr3Uuv1vRA#imgrc=fC1wj--AQdmj-M%3A)

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: wookie on March 30, 2016, 05:21:17 PM
One quick thought though, all my buildings so far are all red brick, I would like to introduce a little more variation in colour once I get to the final part of layout, maybe try the stone effect brick. :hmmm:

That's why I like the Scalescenes kits, lots of diff variations. Their terraced houses have an add on that gives you renders in various colours.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on April 09, 2016, 12:25:23 PM
 :hellosign: ugh! After nearly 18 feet I've finally finished painting the sky. It's not perfect by a long shot but it does look like what it's supposed to. I can now get back to concentrating on the finer detailing as well as starting 3rd and final board. I keep putting off tidying the wires under the board, spaghetti junction springs to mind. Great now it's getting warmer, enjoyed a good couple of hours in the shed last night, much more interesting now that I've completed more of the scenery, loco's passing the farm looks good. Going to start on the little hill in the corner of second board later so I'll put up a quick post once completed.
C u all later :thumbsup:[Limit reached][Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 09, 2016, 12:53:42 PM
Thanks, Marcus, for the latest updates. The lake really does look particularly good.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on April 09, 2016, 02:07:07 PM
Is there any way you can stop 'bad 'uns' being able to see what's in your shed, Marcus, or do you have a good security system (like motion sensor operated Gatling guns >:D)? :worried:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 09, 2016, 03:01:19 PM
Steel shutters and a steel door?
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on April 09, 2016, 03:19:44 PM
Steel shutters and a steel door?

That would do the job, Chris, albeit perhaps not with the satisfaction of my methodology :D
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on April 09, 2016, 03:31:58 PM
Is there any way you can stop 'bad 'uns' being able to see what's in your shed, Marcus, or do you have a good security system (like motion sensor operated Gatling guns >:D)? :worried:
I actually have some blinds that will be going up shortly. I don't at the moment have an alarm but that's something I'm definitely looking at.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: JasonBz on April 09, 2016, 09:44:51 PM
Thanks for the update....Looks to be a nice shed you got there :)
I have re-started construction of my " down the garden one"  - I am scratchbuilding it to be bomb proof so its taking a while....
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on April 12, 2016, 06:08:19 PM
 :veryangry: went to use my 9F today, put it onto the track and hay presto, my dynamis tells me I have a short circuit. All my other loco's run perfectly so I know it's not the track. What's so  frustrating, it was running fine yesterday. Any ideas?  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 12, 2016, 06:37:05 PM
Hi Marcus, have a look at the underneath of the 9F (if you have not already done so), it might have picked up something which is causing a short-circuit?
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on April 12, 2016, 07:14:31 PM
That sure is a great looking layout Marcus you want to get some security as soon as possible ,the blinds and a proper alarm system and a really good lock would do the trick .
Bob
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on April 16, 2016, 09:54:49 PM
 :hellosign: evening all.
Well, I didn't think I'd be back at this stage again. Whilst I was having a little testing session I realised that once a loco had gone over from outside to middle loop, there was no way to get back onto outside loop without having to reverse back over the point, Hence a little track alteration.  Oversight resolved, so now I can have 4 continuous loops or 3 with a nice long branch line enabling me to shuttle from depot to depot. Planning a track from the offset is something I will do on my next build, a lot less hassle and will avoid all that revisiting.  :hmmm:[Limit reached][Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Skyline2uk on April 16, 2016, 10:46:07 PM
I do find it useful to remind myself this is your first build Marcus, great layout this.

Re the track-change, better now than when it is all ballasted  :thumbsup:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: MrDobilina on April 17, 2016, 07:36:42 AM
Good idea on the track change. I'm on design version 36 on my layout and I've not even laid any track yet lol
Looking forwards to seeing more
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: paulprice on April 17, 2016, 09:30:15 AM
Brilliant modelling keep up the good work
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on April 17, 2016, 02:40:39 PM
I do find it useful to remind myself this is your first build Marcus, great layout this.

Re the track-change, better now than when it is all ballasted  :thumbsup:

Skyline2uk
I was lucky. The only reason I stopped ballasting at this point was due to me running out of ballast. Might have got a little title messy. :)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Kris on April 17, 2016, 08:12:20 PM
Always good to have plenty of playing/testing time before ballasting.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on April 18, 2016, 12:36:59 AM
Always good to have plenty of playing/testing time before ballasting.
  Where I've had to change the track design, I hadn't started ballasting.... Luckily :)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on April 21, 2016, 07:13:04 AM
Thanks for the update....Looks to be a nice shed you got there :)
I have re-started construction of my " down the garden one"  - I am scratchbuilding it to be bomb proof so its taking a while....
Thx Jason. you get what you pay for and this shed was no exemption. No matter how secure I feel this shed is I always remove all my loco's, rolling stock, dcc controllers etc after every running session. This does put a little dampener on things as I wish I could leave them on the layout permanently as it takes away the ability for a quick 10 mins playtime between jobs. leaving them in situ overnight simply isn't an option, I don't think I'd get any sleep...Lol. ( car boot season approaching = more shed break ins)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on April 21, 2016, 09:17:28 AM
Marcus you are lucky if the car boots in your area have N gauge for sale ,we used to go to car boot sales with the kids when they were little to get some cheap bargains I never once saw any N gauge of any description .
Bob
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on April 21, 2016, 10:27:20 AM
Marcus you are lucky if the car boots in your area have N gauge for sale ,we used to go to car boot sales with the kids when they were little to get some cheap bargains I never once saw any N gauge of any description .
Bob
Hi Bob. What I mean is, should my shed suffer a break in for car boot purposes, loco's etc wouldn't necessarily end up on a car boot but would no doubt still be taken.   :o
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Skyline2uk on April 21, 2016, 12:26:25 PM
Oh don't, the thought of somebody's loved and carefully collected / maintained locos and stock being nicked and then flogged on is heartbreaking!

Makes my teeth itch when I encounter people who are not involved in the hobby and assume they are just more "toy trains". Don't get me wrong, I fully appreciate that I am playing with grown up toys, but when the delicate nature and COST is under-estimated!

I have never given so much stink-eye as the time when a friend of my fiancé grabbed my brand-new Dapol 56 from the layout to have a look. Grown-ups ask!

Anyway, rant over, looking forward to more progress on the next section of your layout Marcus  :thumbsup:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on April 21, 2016, 03:52:38 PM
Yes Marcus I new what you were saying and I hope that you have taken all the security measures you can to prevent a theft taking place ,My worst fear is that my layout gets smashed as the Locos can be replaced but all the hard work and time that goes into building the layout can't
Most of the Locos down the shed are old ones but if you start adding up the cost of rolling stock and track work and buildings you would be amazed at the total amount.
That's the problem we have ,we all want to share photos of our efforts with other people but run the risk of showing the wrong kind of person ,my shed has an alarm and a very strong padlock but there are Windows and a determined thief will allways find a way in if they really want to.
Let's just hope it never happens.
Bob
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: paulprice on April 21, 2016, 05:05:36 PM
You should try exhibiting, I have had two instances that annoyed me  :veryangry: :censored: :veryangry: :censored:

Instance 1
A chap saw my Ivatt 4 coming towards him, and then reached over and plucked it from the track "so he could have a better look".

Instance 2
Some one tried to "lift" some stock from the storage yard, whilst the operators were busy answering questions.

I think its a bit of a sad state of todays society.

Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on April 21, 2016, 07:52:55 PM
Yes Marcus I new what you were saying and I hope that you have taken all the security measures you can to prevent a theft taking place ,My worst fear is that my layout gets smashed as the Locos can be replaced but all the hard work and time that goes into building the layout can't
Most of the Locos down the shed are old ones but if you start adding up the cost of rolling stock and track work and buildings you would be amazed at the total amount.
That's the problem we have ,we all want to share photos of our efforts with other people but run the risk of showing the wrong kind of person ,my shed had an alarm and a very strong padlock but there are Windows and a determined thief will allways find a way in if they really want to.
Let's just hope it never happens.
Bob
I enjoy showing my efforts to other members but will never put my home address onto the forum because as you say, you never know who's viewing. I've declined to mention the name of my business as its well known here, and it wouldn't be to difficult to put 2 and 2 together, Such a shame, but that's life, unfortunately. I have been building my layout for just over a year now, I had a quick tally of what I've spent just on loco's so far, nearly £1,300. It's worth every penny, sometimes you forget their value. As you say, let's just hope it never happens and we can go on enjoying our great hobby :beers:
Marcus.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on April 21, 2016, 08:00:04 PM
You should try exhibiting, I have had two instances that annoyed me  :veryangry: :censored: :veryangry: :censored:

Instance 1
A chap saw my Ivatt 4 coming towards him, and then reached over and plucked it from the track "so he could have a better look".

Instance 2
Some one tried to "lift" some stock from the storage yard, whilst the operators were busy answering questions.

I think its a bit of a sad state of todays society.
you will get opportunists everywhere. About 3 years ago I had various RC boats on display at a show, turned my back for 5 mins and hay presto, my type 42 destroyer was " lifted" I was gutted and stunned at the gaul of some people.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: paulprice on April 21, 2016, 08:57:18 PM
You should try exhibiting, I have had two instances that annoyed me  :veryangry: :censored: :veryangry: :censored:

Instance 1
A chap saw my Ivatt 4 coming towards him, and then reached over and plucked it from the track "so he could have a better look".

Instance 2
Some one tried to "lift" some stock from the storage yard, whilst the operators were busy answering questions.

I think its a bit of a sad state of todays society.
you will get opportunists everywhere. About 3 years ago I had various RC boats on display at a show, turned my back for 5 mins and hay presto, my type 42 destroyer was " lifted" I was gutted and stunned at the gaul of some people.
Makes your blood boil
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: JasonBz on April 21, 2016, 09:32:55 PM
Thanks for the update....Looks to be a nice shed you got there :)
I have re-started construction of my " down the garden one"  - I am scratchbuilding it to be bomb proof so its taking a while....
Thx Jason. you get what you pay for and this shed was no exemption. No matter how secure I feel this shed is I always remove all my loco's, rolling stock, dcc controllers etc after every running session. This does put a little dampener on things as I wish I could leave them on the layout permanently as it takes away the ability for a quick 10 mins playtime between jobs. leaving them in situ overnight simply isn't an option, I don't think I'd get any sleep...Lol. ( car boot season approaching = more shed break ins)

My garden is pretty secure and the shed will be also, but I would still not leave any valuable easily moved trains down there.
The walls are 3"x2" battens with 16mm OSB board walls within and cladding in 16mm timber outside so its solid.....but is silly things like "leaving the door unlocked" or whatever that you cant account for....
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on April 21, 2016, 09:55:44 PM
I was at the NEC exhibition one year and someone actually walked of with one of Pete Watermans O gauge coaches but he was soon traced and stopped by security , on the same day John Warner had two Locos nicked of his stand and we had one secondhand one nicked of off ours .you have to ave eyes in the back of your heads nowadays.
Bob
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: daveg on April 22, 2016, 06:24:38 AM
Not to divert from Marcus's great layout in development but recent posts prompts me to remind folk about getting proper insurance cover.

As already mentioned, your investment in the hobby can be substantial. We have home cover that includes 'collections'. I have all my key purchases listed; insurers will often want to see proof of purchase. Some retailers help by holding your purchase history but it's always an idea to keep your own records.

Dave G

 
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on April 26, 2016, 11:21:08 PM
Not to divert from Marcus's great layout in development but recent posts prompts me to remind folk about getting proper insurance cover.

As already mentioned, your investment in the hobby can be substantial. We have home cover that includes 'collections'. I have all my key purchases listed; insurers will often want to see proof of purchase. Some retailers help by holding your purchase history but it's always an idea to keep your own records.

Dave G

 
I have checked with my bank,who we have our home content insurance with, and it does actually come under shed contents cover up to the value of £5000. All they said was to keep up to date photo's of items requiring cover. Thats easy, my iPads full of them. Still doesn't change things though, loco's or rolling stock will never be left in the shed.  :thumbsdown:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 07, 2016, 03:06:45 AM
 :hellosign: went into the shed this morning to find that some of the track had buckled due to the heat. I have tried to download a picture showing this but for some reason, no matter how many times I try, it won't let me. I now face a bit of a conundrum, do I dismantle layout and move indoors and make layout smaller due to space limitations, or carry on despite warmer weather approaching. I should have left a bigger gap between joins to allow for expansion, had I been more experienced, would have avoided this mistake. Frustrating :veryangry:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Skyline2uk on May 07, 2016, 10:42:19 AM
That is annoying...

How bad is the damage? Is the track warped in places already ballasted?

If the track in question is flex-track, should be possible to retrospectively cut some expansion gaps in? Maybe a mm off the end of the section?

Would be a shame to have to start again.

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 09, 2016, 12:52:33 AM
That is annoying...

How bad is the damage? Is the track warped in places already ballasted?

If the track in question is flex-track, should be possible to retrospectively cut some expansion gaps in? Maybe a mm off the end of the section?

Would be a shame to have to start again.

Skyline2uk
Hi Skyline. Problem resolved and back on schedule. I relayed effected track allowing a 1mm gap between joins. Ballested areas not effected so I'm concentrating on completing remainder. Bit of a relief...Phew :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Skyline2uk on May 09, 2016, 07:48:03 AM
Good news Marcos

At least you can say your railway has the same problem as the prototype, and that you have dealt with it in the same way  :thumbsup:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: cornish yorkie on May 09, 2016, 01:59:32 PM
  :hellosign:  glad all has turned out ok
regards Derek.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 11, 2016, 12:37:33 AM
  :hellosign:  glad all has turned out ok
regards Derek.
Hi Thx. Luckily problem wasn't as bad as it first looked.... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on May 11, 2016, 09:27:02 AM
Hi Marcus Its amazing how much the track expands and contracts in different temperatures ,I have been modelling in N gauge for over 35 to 40 years and even I got caught out with a recent modification to the fiddle yard ,I extended one off the center tracks ready to take the Poppylino ,and of course I haven't ballasted the tracks because Im to lazy, everything ran perfectly ,went down the shed two days later never checked started a running session only to find two trains hitting each other the track had buckled so bad ,all sorted now and put extra track pins in  but will probably find large gaps next winter .The shed is well insulated with polystyrene and plasterboard but still get a terrific temperature range in winter we have the portable gas fire on full and in the summer we have the windows open wide but we have to watch out for wasps and our cat getting in I'm allergic to wasps stings and the cat loves eating my copper trees,
Hope you are in the area again soon so that you can pop in and see the layout .
Cheers
Bob
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 11, 2016, 07:01:01 PM
Hi Marcus Its amazing how much the track expands and contracts in different temperatures ,I have been modelling in N gauge for over 35 to 40 years and even I got caught out with a recent modification to the fiddle yard ,I extended one off the center tracks ready to take the Poppylino ,and of course I haven't ballasted the tracks because Im to lazy, everything ran perfectly ,went down the shed two days later never checked started a running session only to find two trains hitting each other the track had buckled so bad ,all sorted now and put extra track pins in  but will probably find large gaps next winter .The shed is well insulated with polystyrene and plasterboard but still get a terrific temperature range in winter we have the portable gas fire on full and in the summer we have the windows open wide but we have to watch out for wasps and our cat getting in I'm allergic to wasps stings and the cat loves eating my copper trees,
Hope you are in the area again soon so that you can pop in and see the layout .
Cheers
Bob
Hi Bob. Looking forward to seeing your layout, Sod's law though is that  I've gained a couple more customers who have the bulk of deliveries up north. Luckily I've managed to sort track out. My shed does get rather warm in the summer, it's well insulated but doesn't have opening windows, so that's something I'm looking at to change. As soon as I'm in your area I will give you a shout. :beers:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Mr PJ on May 11, 2016, 10:58:23 PM
Hi,

All more prototypical than you might think. Well ballasted track is less likely to buckle than fiddle yard sections, purely down to the ballast holding the sleepers in place. Modern track is "stressed" preferably when the weather is cold (surprisingly), so that the sleepers, ballast and track fixings prevent the rails expanding too much in hot weather. There are so called breather switches added in, which do allow rails to expand in certain areas. That's my basic understanding - much more complicated than the old days when we had 60 foot rails with suitable expansion gaps. That was far more reliable, but then probably doesn't allow high speed running.

Cheers,
Paul
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 12, 2016, 01:28:49 AM
I've been looking for a while for some decent wind turbine kits, I found these and I'm really happy with how they look. Looking forward to modelling my wind farm once the others arrive.  :thumbsup. For some reason, over the past week, I haven't been able to download any photos onto my post, no idea why, sorry.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on May 12, 2016, 10:37:50 AM
Have you got a link to the supplier of said wind turbines, Marcus?
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 12, 2016, 02:24:42 PM
Have you got a link to the supplier of said wind turbines, Marcus?
I'll try downloading image. Sorry still no go.  :veryangry:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 12, 2016, 11:23:25 PM
Have you got a link to the supplier of said wind turbines, Marcus?
I'll try downloading image. Sorry still no go.  :veryangry:
just tried downloading again, not only is it now painfully slow posting anything,  I'm still unable to post photos of turbines. Sorry, but will keep,trying.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on May 13, 2016, 09:55:01 AM
Have you got a link to the supplier of said wind turbines, Marcus?
I'll try downloading image. Sorry still no go.  :veryangry:
just tried downloading again, not only is it now painfully slow posting anything,  I'm still unable to post photos of turbines. Sorry, but will keep,trying.

Can you post a link to the company you bought them from, Marcus, as there will probably be pics on their website if they have one?
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: MrDobilina on May 13, 2016, 10:02:27 AM
Have you got a link to the supplier of said wind turbines, Marcus?
I'll try downloading image. Sorry still no go.  :veryangry:
just tried downloading again, not only is it now painfully slow posting anything,  I'm still unable to post photos of turbines. Sorry, but will keep,trying.

Can you post a link to the company you bought them from, Marcus, as there will probably be pics on their website if they have one?
Or just tell us the company name and we can google from there.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on May 13, 2016, 10:15:57 AM
Could be Faller, although they're not representative of the British type.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7lk61RQZG0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7lk61RQZG0)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 14, 2016, 03:38:00 AM
Could be Faller, although they're not representative of the British type.......

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7lk61RQZG0[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7lk61RQZG0[/url])
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-Gauge-Model-Railway-Scenery-Building-Windmill-Wind-Turbine-Generator-x-3-/182100467119?hash=item2a66089daf:g:s0cAAOSw3mpXF-5X (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-Gauge-Model-Railway-Scenery-Building-Windmill-Wind-Turbine-Generator-x-3-/182100467119?hash=item2a66089daf:g:s0cAAOSw3mpXF-5X)
Static, but still look good.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 14, 2016, 03:40:32 AM
[Limit reached]
Could be Faller, although they're not representative of the British type.......

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7lk61RQZG0[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7lk61RQZG0[/url])
[url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-Gauge-Model-Railway-Scenery-Building-Windmill-Wind-Turbine-Generator-x-3-/182100467119?hash=item2a66089daf:g:s0cAAOSw3mpXF-5X[/url] ([url]http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-Gauge-Model-Railway-Scenery-Building-Windmill-Wind-Turbine-Generator-x-3-/182100467119?hash=item2a66089daf:g:s0cAAOSw3mpXF-5X[/url])
Static, but still look good.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 14, 2016, 03:45:04 AM
Could be Faller, although they're not representative of the British type.......

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7lk61RQZG0[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7lk61RQZG0[/url])
finally managed to download an image. I think these look very similar to ones found in the UK, or near as damn it anyway. Only static but when sprayed up, look the part :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 14, 2016, 03:49:01 AM
Have you got a link to the supplier of said wind turbines, Marcus?
I'll try downloading image. Sorry still no go.  :veryangry:
just tried downloading again, not only is it now painfully slow posting anything,  I'm still unable to post photos of turbines. Sorry, but will keep,trying.


Can you post a link to the company you bought them from, Marcus, as there will probably be pics on their website if they have one?

Or just tell us the company name and we can google from there.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-Gauge-Model-Railway-Scenery-Building-Windmill-Wind-Turbine-Generator-x-3-/182100467119?hash=item2a66089daf:g:s0cAAOSw3mpXF-5X (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/N-Gauge-Model-Railway-Scenery-Building-Windmill-Wind-Turbine-Generator-x-3-/182100467119?hash=item2a66089daf:g:s0cAAOSw3mpXF-5X)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on May 14, 2016, 09:49:55 AM
Thanks Marcus - they definitely have more of a British look to them :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 16, 2016, 05:16:41 PM
Seeing these outside their natural environment, I find fascinating. You don't realise just how big these monsters are until you get this close.
Damn! Was going to post an image of this EWS class 08 on the m6 this morning but I'm still struggling to download any pictures.....sorry.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 21, 2016, 10:52:45 PM
 :hellosign: popped into my local model shop with just the intention of purchasing some paint and fencing but then clapped eyes on this brand new class 31 dcc fitted for just £70.00 quid. Couldn't resist so thought what the hell. She's a lovely runner, I'm really pleased and it looks fab operating on the layout. Tomorrow I'm continuing with ballesting and adding some more droppers as there's a slight drop in performance at the furthest point.  :beers:[Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 22, 2016, 06:41:55 AM
A very nice picture of a very attractive model loco.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 22, 2016, 08:42:07 AM
A very nice picture of a very attractive model loco.
Thx Chris. Although I have no idea if this class of loco would have actually been used hauling these types of wagons. In fact, I have absolutely no idea what any of my loco's would have pulled whilst in service  ??? Time for some research :hmmm:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 22, 2016, 08:50:09 AM
Good morning Marcus, well those cattle vans are in LMSR livery, so pre-BR, and, thus, very unlikely to have been hauled by a  Class 31 in that particular livery. However, it's your railway.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: port perran on May 22, 2016, 09:04:05 AM
That Class 31 looks very attractive in the surroundings of the excellent layout which you have there.
Looks very good indeed.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: NeMo on May 22, 2016, 09:28:26 AM
Definitely a nice looking loco.

It has the livery it carried lasted until 1973 or 1974, when the last of the green Brush Type 2s were repainted. D5826 was apparently allocated to the Western Region by 1972, having been based on the Eastern Region until 1969.

It's precisely the sort of loco that was drafted onto the WR to replace the by-then non-standard diesel hydraulics. Overweight and underpowered comported compared with the 'Hymeks' they were meant to replace, the WR drivers did not like them much. Nonetheless they were rostered onto the sorts of jobs the 'Hymeks' would do, such as interregional passenger trains, vans, parcels and so on.

The Class 31 they were still on WR well into the 1980s when I'd see them occasionally at Old Oak Common, but I don't believe they were ever as common on the WR as the vastly better Class 37s that matched the 'Hymeks' very much better in terms of performance and reliability.

But in any case, a good loco to run on a pre-TOPS layout, especially a WR one.

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 22, 2016, 09:45:31 AM
Thanks, Nemo. I fully agree with everything you have posted above.

The first 3 Class 31's transferred to the WR (81A Old Oak Common) were: 5530, 5535, and 5539 in December 1968. They were then joined by 5528 (still with 4 white discs on its nose) in March 1969. Others followed.

I think that one, at least, was transferred to the WR in BR Green livery but with white stripes and white double arrows (as your model, above, Marcus) but am not sure, now. I believe that this was, originally, a 30A Stratford livery variation for specially cleaned Class 31s for use on the Royal Train to Tattenham Corner (SR) for Ascot Races as the SR did not, then, have any locomotives capable of steam-heating the Royal Train after the withdrawal of the SR Class 70 electrics.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: daveg on May 22, 2016, 09:51:28 AM
Very nice. At that price more than understand how it was a 'must have'. It's on my wish list

Great picture too.

Dave G
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: NeMo on May 22, 2016, 10:25:56 AM
Very nice. At that price more than understand how it was a 'must have'. It's on my wish list

I'll say! £70 is a definite bargain. What shop is this? Do they have any left???  ;)

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 22, 2016, 11:42:50 AM
Very nice. At that price more than understand how it was a 'must have'. It's on my wish list

I'll say! £70 is a definite bargain. What shop is this? Do they have any left???  ;)

Cheers, NeMo  :hellosign: unfortunately dcc models are not something that come along very often, this was only available because loco was purchased in error as a gift but was wrong scale so never used.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 22, 2016, 11:51:39 AM
 :thankyousign: thx guys for your comments about this loco. I find it fascinating reading all your comments on the history of this particular class. Your knowledge on the real thing, not just the model, really adds another dimension into model railways. You certainly know your stuff. :thumbsup:
Thx again. :beers:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 22, 2016, 12:44:21 PM
D5826 (31 293) was one of the later ones transferred from the ER to the WR, in January 1972, going to Bristol Bath Road (BR), first, then Old Oak Common (OC) before returning to BR in November 1975. (It was returned to the ER in February, 1978.) Unfortunately, I had no record of whether it was still in the modified BR Green livery when on the WR but there IS photographic evidence of 5826 in this livery, in late summer 1973, 1.30pm at Bath Spa station, on a Cardiff to Portsmouth working:

https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8091/8370478523_0a49b574c4_b.jpg (https://c4.staticflickr.com/9/8091/8370478523_0a49b574c4_b.jpg)

The year before, in March 1972, soon after transfer to the WR, it was seen in this livery but rather cleaner, as a "Hymek" replacement, at Worcester:

http://www.miac.org.uk/images/d5826.jpg (http://www.miac.org.uk/images/d5826.jpg)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: NeMo on May 22, 2016, 01:03:28 PM
Cheers, NeMo  :hellosign: unfortunately dcc models are not something that come along very often, this was only available because loco was purchased in error as a gift but was wrong scale so never used.

Couldn't care less about the DCC aspect... I'd have turfed out the DCC chip sharpish!  :D

But the Brush Type 2 in green, for £70...  :goggleeyes:

Have a good weekend, NeMo
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 22, 2016, 07:37:22 PM
Today was one of those occasions when I had the house to myself so I spent it in the shed. For the third time I've changed the station area, I made the platforms longer and wider as my first attempt felt a little short and narrow. Like the lake on first build and farm on second, will be central to final build. Lots of detailing to be added, but if I can't get it to the level I'm happy with, I'll simply purchase the metcalfe station and platform kits. I'll see how it goes. Well, another hour tidying cables then it's off for a bar meal with the good lady. :beers:  damn, getting a Error 500 code again  so no photo. Been so hit and miss the past few weeks.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Yet_Another on May 22, 2016, 07:43:28 PM
This one?
[Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 22, 2016, 07:43:43 PM
One more try. Nope, no joy. This is getting really frustrating. :veryangry:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 22, 2016, 07:45:24 PM
This one?
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well, this is confusing. Came up with a 500 error.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Yet_Another on May 22, 2016, 07:46:53 PM
I discovered that the 500 error is the server not being able to tell you that it's loaded the picture. If you go and look, you've loaded  -er- loads
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 22, 2016, 07:57:21 PM
I discovered that the 500 error is the server not being able to tell you that it's loaded the picture. If you go and look, you've loaded  -er- loads
ah! Thx :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on May 29, 2016, 07:55:52 AM
Had a busy day with the old soldering iron, placed droppers before and after every point. I wasn't sure if it was a little overkill, but it definitely helps with track continuity with even my little Jinty showing greatly
 improved slow speed running. Obviously not quite as smooth as using electrofrog points but still a marked improvement. Today the plan is to carry out some more ballesting, solder up last few droppers and give shed a good clean up, it's looking a little like a builders yard. :beers:[Limit reached]
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: daveg on May 29, 2016, 08:29:09 AM
Good progress and sensible number of droppers.   :thumbsup:

The effort with the soldering iron is worth the result of improved. running.

Look forward to your next update.

Dave G
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: OwL on May 29, 2016, 08:57:34 AM
Good progress and very nice layout. Thanks for sharing those pictures :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 01, 2016, 06:31:47 PM
After a long couple of days I've completed the final ballesting and wired up all the droppers. I didn't get any comments on my last post regarding niggles about the station so that been secured in place ( no comments better than negative comments😄😄) I can look forward to cracking on now with the scenery which is what I really enjoy, ballesting can get a tad tedious albeit important. Got a birthday coming up so I've asked my dearest to put some rolling stock on the old birthday list👍 Going to spend a couple of hours placing more droppers on original build, as at the time, didn't realise just what difference they make to the operating performance. Busy busy.😀😀 Sorry, getting a error code 404 so no pictures.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 01, 2016, 07:17:15 PM
Now, that I can see the station (not your fault, earlier, I know) I would advise you to build up the land to close to platform level around the main entrance and remove the steps as very few stations, in real life, look like that.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 01, 2016, 08:16:53 PM
Now, that I can see the station (not your fault, earlier, I know) I would advise you to build up the land to close to platform level around the main entrance and remove the steps as very few stations, in real life, look like that.
I shall take a look at Google and see what I can do :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Skyline2uk on June 01, 2016, 08:32:27 PM
Chris is right, I got round this by putting the station close to the edge of the board, but you have a bit more space  :thumbsup:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 01, 2016, 09:14:10 PM
Chris is right, I got round this by putting the station close to the edge of the board, but you have a bit more space  :thumbsup:

Skyline2uk
I just took another look at your station. Having it against the edge does make it a less of a headache when it comes to getting it looking the part. :hmmm:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Skyline2uk on June 01, 2016, 09:30:00 PM
Possibly, but it was more necessity than design.

I think locatation of station is more important in terms of the overall scene, you can manipulate scenery around it as you are starting from a blank canvous with more space.

Skyline2uk 
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Mr PJ on June 01, 2016, 10:59:22 PM
Hi Marcus,

As far as the station is concerned you could just "mould" it into the landscape using a few cardboard sheets or thin polystyrene sheets - up to 12mm or so. Not that much really, and it will save re-locating the station, which seems like an excessive solution to the issue.

Cheers
Paul
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 02, 2016, 03:31:12 PM
Yes, a combination of thick cardboard (layered, if necessary), thin polystyrene sheets, insulating tiles and balsa wood strips of various thicknesses will all help to build up various levels of surrounding ground with non-sand tiling grout applied over new and sculpted with a knife / small trowel whilst still wet.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 04, 2016, 03:22:37 AM
I'd like to thank Bob Tidbury and his wife for a wonderful afternoon who invited me into their home with a lovely welcome. Lovely cup of tea, ham and cheese sandwich, and a delicious slice of home made cake. Bob introduced me to his stunning layout, and I was quite simply blown away on the scale and detail of his layout. Unfortunately, because of work commitments, I wasn't able to spend as much time with Bob, so once we had stopped talking, I didn't realise where time had gone, and it was time to leave.
I was kindly offered to return anytime so we can have a good days operating session, an offer I am looking forward too.
Again, thx for a great afternoon. :thankyousign:

Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on June 04, 2016, 08:46:55 AM
It was a pleasure meeting you Marcus and you are welcombe anytime , it's ALLWAYS nice to share my layout with old and new friends .
If any other members are in the High Wycombe area and if I'm going to be in then your welcome to pop in .
I do go to a lot of exhibitions with the BHE trade stand at weekends so if you want to come please PM me first ,not only that it will give Val time to make a sponge cake and sarnies.
I'm looking forward to the bag ladies from Reading coming on the 25th it's going to be a busy day I think there is about six or seven members of thier club coming .They will all get a piece of cake and a cuppa probably a sarnie as well.
Bob
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bealman on June 04, 2016, 08:57:48 AM
Those sandwiches and cakes sound awesome. I might pop by!  :thumbsup:

Problem is me arms are still tired after the last flight over there  :D
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 04, 2016, 09:06:46 AM
Those sandwiches and cakes sound awesome. I might pop by!  :thumbsup:

Problem is me arms are still tired after the last flight over there  :D
if your popping over from Oz to experience those sarnys and cakes, it may prove not be too cost effective. :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on June 04, 2016, 09:41:13 AM
Bealman I would post some to you but knowing how our postal system works when sending parcels abroad I don't think they would be edible by the time you'd receive them.SORRY !!!
Bob
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 04, 2016, 11:04:18 AM
I have had difficulties downloading pictures onto my thread over the past few week, and now I can't seem to be able to even select what pictures I'd like to try and download. I'm getting this messag
"Sorry, but you do not have permission to upload this type of item to this gallery"
Does anyone know what the problem is?
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 04, 2016, 11:53:04 AM
Hi Marcus, I use Photobucket and have no problems uploading pictures from it. I've posted more pictures on Cant Cove which should give you a good idea how the scenery is build up in layers to look more like real life countryside.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bealman on June 04, 2016, 12:30:43 PM
I have had difficulties downloading pictures onto my thread over the past few week, and now I can't seem to be able to even select what pictures I'd like to try and download. I'm getting this messag
"Sorry, but you do not have permission to upload this type of item to this gallery"
Does anyone know what the problem is?
As Tank says in the news banner, there are indeed problems with the gallery/media section at the moment, which are being worked on.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 04, 2016, 10:57:23 PM
Evening all. A little while back I mentioned that I was revisiting parts of the layout I wasn't happy with and to be honest, I didn't like the sky or back drop I made, so decided on getting some Peco scenic backdrops that I think look so much better. I'm much happier with how it looks now and looking forward to finishing the remainder. Lots of trees still needed around layout along with loads more detailing, and more importantly, people. There's a few shows coming up soon locally, so I'll be on the lookout for useful bits and pieces. :beers:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/4374-040616225602.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40483)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/4374-040616225657.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40484)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 04, 2016, 11:07:38 PM
 :hellosign: &  :greatpicturessign: like the backdrop, all looking good, thanks for sharing
regards Derek.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 05, 2016, 09:02:27 AM
Thanks for the latest updates, Marcus. Very nice photos. I used to be very fond of the Peco backscenes, having had country town and countryside ones around my original N Gauge layout over 40 years ago. The Peco ones you've chosen look fine with your layout but, these days, I prefer the photo quality ones. That said, at the back of Cant Cove, I'll probably just have Gaugemaster photo quality clear blue sky (or with light clouds) as I already have hills close to the back to hide the fiddle yard. However, I have bought some Gaugemaster photo country back scenes for possible use, too; probably on the sides if not at the back.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 05, 2016, 09:40:42 AM
Thanks for the latest updates, Marcus. Very nice photos. I used to be very fond of the Peco backscenes, having had country town and countryside ones around my original N Gauge layout over 40 years ago. The Peco ones you've chosen look fine with your layout but, these days, I prefer the photo quality ones. That said, at the back of Cant Cove, I'll probably just have Gaugemaster photo quality clear blue sky (or with light clouds) as I already have hills close to the back to hide the fiddle yard. However, I have bought some Gaugemaster photo country back scenes for possible use, too; probably on the sides if not at the back.
Morning Chris. :thumbsup:  I seriously considered the photo quality back scenes, a friend of mine has these on his 00 layout. For me, I felt these looked too perfect against the style of scenery he had modelled himself, and just didn't seem to fit in with the rest of the layout. It might just be me, but I think this style of back scene blends in more naturally with the overall look and feel of my layout. The level of quality on gaugemaster back scenes is excellent though, and will look the part on your build. :beers:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 05, 2016, 09:48:05 AM
Good morning, Marcus. I agree, the backscenes have to match the overall look of the layout and the Peco ones look very good with your layout. Cant Cove is meant to be a working (trains but nothing else) diorama so I'm aiming for a more 'photo realistic' overall appearance like Martin achieved with Trepol Bay harbour so, after a lot of thought (because I still like the Peco backscenes) I bought a couple of Gaugemaster ones. We'll see how far I achieve my aim, later this summer when I hope to have a lot more of the scenery complete. (I have boxes full of more than all I should need!).
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 05, 2016, 10:02:43 AM
Good morning, Marcus. I agree, the backscenes have to match the overall look of the layout and the Peco ones look very good with your layout. Cant Cove is meant to be a working (trains but nothing else) diorama so I'm aiming for a more 'photo realistic' overall appearance like Martin achieved with Trepol Bay harbour so, after a lot of thought (because I still like the Peco backscenes) I bought a couple of Gaugemaster ones. We'll see how far I achieve my aim, later this summer when I hope to have a lot more of the scenery complete. (I have boxes full of more than all I should need!).
because of the skills I have learned during this build, i am considering a small shelf layout based on a real location from scratch. My aim is to see just what level of detail I could actually achieve and I defiantly think a photo realistic backdrop is a certainty in that situation. Looking forward to seeing your layout pan out, especially the station area. :claphappy:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bealman on June 05, 2016, 10:11:53 AM
It all boils down to personal choice, methinks. I too had Peco backscenes 30 odd years ago, but swiftly changed them  to plain blue painted backscene.

It just looked better to me.  :beers:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 05, 2016, 10:32:15 AM
It all boils down to personal choice, methinks. I too had Peco backscenes 30 odd years ago, but swiftly changed them  to plain blue painted backscene.

It just looked better to me.  :beers:
My effort at producing a realistic sky was, well, pants as you can see in my photo's. I did think about the Peco plain sky backdrops as a consideration though.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 05, 2016, 10:54:04 AM
Pants? The mind boggles. 8-)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: NeMo on June 05, 2016, 11:10:25 AM
I do think Peco backscenes blend in better with the Metcalfe models in terms of the colour palettes used. Both have a very slightly cartoony feel that works well together. My big irritation with the Peco backscenes is that don't seem to be properly in scale. Look at the people in them and compare them to your model plastic people. They're slightly bigger than the plastic people! Given they're in the background, they really ought to be smaller.

I've tried the photo backscenes from Gaugemaster and they're very nice. But the glossy paper is a pain to get flat and bubble-free, and because it's so shiny, it reflects room lighting all too well. So to my eyes it doesn't look as good as expected.

On 'Gone Nuclear' I tried hand-painting a backdrop for the first time, and was very pleased with the result. Plain blue and white poster paints onto hardboard; so nothing fancy there. I've gone down the same track with my current project, and furthermore used an airbrush to 'silhouette' some hills onto the backdrop. My aim is to create something so bland it doesn't catch the eye, but enough of a background for the actual modelled scenery to look like it's part of a much bigger world.

If you want my opinion, where you went wrong, Marcus Amison, with your backdrop was in making it too uniform. The blues become greyer or whiter towards the horizon, and line-of-sight trickery means clouds tend to look thinner/flatter towards the horizon compared with clouds of the same type straight above you. You rarely get sky coming right down to a completely flat ground outside of deserts or the sea, so your baseboard needs to blend in with some sort of hills or buildings a few inches upwards onto the backdrop.

Fantastic layout, by the way. For a "first layout" it's rather like somebody running up the Mona Lisa the first time they're given some paints and a brush!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bealman on June 05, 2016, 11:16:26 AM
Your new Peco ones look fine..  :thumbsup:

Please don't take offence here.... I  fell into the same trap myself (well, maybe you didn't)....

When I bought my Peco backscenes all those years ago, because I'd paid for them, I thought "I'm gonna show as much of them off as I can."

That's when I realised that down to the horizon (especially in the UK), the landscape is fairly smooth and mostly sky.

In a long-winded way, I'm suggesting that your town backdrop may be cut down a bit so you only see the rooftops and church spires.

It would fool the eye into a bit of distance.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 05, 2016, 11:24:11 AM
I aim to mount the Gaugemaster backscenes on the boards, first, which should make it easier to ensure a smooth finish. I may the spray them with a suitable matt or satin varnish? Only then do I plan to fix them to the back and sides. But, we'll see.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: JasonBz on June 05, 2016, 11:29:34 AM
I agree with Bealman as regards the townscape backscene - though the countryside one really complements the layout as it is.

I aint much of a fan of those generic photographic jobs, they are too "loud" and can dominate what they are supposed to compliment, that is the modelled scene.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 05, 2016, 12:15:29 PM
I do think Peco backscenes blend in better with the Metcalfe models in terms of the colour palettes used. Both have a very slightly cartoony feel that works well together. My big irritation with the Peco backscenes is that don't seem to be properly in scale. Look at the people in them and compare them to your model plastic people. They're slightly bigger than the plastic people! Given they're in the background, they really ought to be smaller.

I've tried the photo backscenes from Gaugemaster and they're very nice. But the glossy paper is a pain to get flat and bubble-free, and because it's so shiny, it reflects room lighting all too well. So to my eyes it doesn't look as good as expected.

On 'Gone Nuclear' I tried hand-painting a backdrop for the first time, and was very pleased with the result. Plain blue and white poster paints onto hardboard; so nothing fancy there. I've gone down the same track with my current project, and furthermore used an airbrush to 'silhouette' some hills onto the backdrop. My aim is to create something so bland it doesn't catch the eye, but enough of a background for the actual modelled scenery to look like it's part of a much bigger world.

If you want my opinion, where you went wrong, Marcus Amison, with your backdrop was in making it too uniform. The blues become greyer or whiter towards the horizon, and line-of-sight trickery means clouds tend to look thinner/flatter towards the horizon compared with clouds of the same type straight above you. You rarely get sky coming right down to a completely flat ground outside of deserts or the sea, so your baseboard needs to blend in with some sort of hills or buildings a few inches upwards onto the backdrop.

Fantastic layout, by the way. For a "first layout" it's rather like somebody running up the Mona Lisa the first time they're given some paints and a brush!

Cheers, NeMo
Hi NeMo. Your comments on the sky touching the ground was exactly what I knew was wrong about my original effort, it just didn't look right. Hated it, so it had to go. The colour palette of the Peco backdrops and my scenery do compliment one another nicely, but for the absolute realistic look, photo quality backdrops would be the way. Thx for your praise on my layout, I am happy with how it's looking, to be honest, I didn't think it would end up looking as it does and getting such praise from yourself and other members. :beers:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 05, 2016, 12:23:09 PM
Your new Peco ones look fine..  :thumbsup:

Please don't take offence here.... I  fell into the same trap myself (well, maybe you didn't)....

When I bought my Peco backscenes all those years ago, because I'd paid for them, I thought "I'm gonna show as much of them off as I can."

That's when I realised that down to the horizon (especially in the UK), the landscape is fairly smooth and mostly sky.

In a long-winded way, I'm suggesting that your town backdrop may be cut down a bit so you only see the rooftops and church spires.

It would fool the eye into a bit of distance.
I understand where your coming from regarding more sky. I'll wait and see how it develops, I can always return to this later, all part of the fun, all this tweaking. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 09, 2016, 06:31:44 PM
Something not quite right here. Just can't seem to put my finger on it!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/4374-090616183125.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40878)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Skyline2uk on June 09, 2016, 06:40:12 PM
Something not quite right here. Just can't seem to put my finger on it!
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/4374-090616183125.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40878[/url])


Quick, that A4 has been exposed to radiation!

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: daveg on June 09, 2016, 06:48:56 PM
Scary steriods!

I understand that the Dapol N gauge valanced A4s are on their way but I'm going to be exceptionally good and pretend I don't know that! :worried:

Dave G
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: dannyboy on June 09, 2016, 07:45:36 PM

Quick, that A4 has been exposed to radiation!

Skyline2uk

Or maybe genetically modified  :worried:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 09, 2016, 08:48:02 PM
Something not quite right here. Just can't seem to put my finger on it!
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/4374-090616183125.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40878[/url])
Mallardzilla :D

Quick, that A4 has been exposed to radiation!

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 09, 2016, 08:51:50 PM
Scary steriods!

I understand that the Dapol N gauge valanced A4s are on their way but I'm going to be exceptionally good and pretend I don't know that! :worried:

Dave G
The A4 class have always been a favourite of mine. Ill have one gracing my layout before Long. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Skyline2uk on June 09, 2016, 08:55:59 PM
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Mallardzilla :D

Ha!

That's a film I would watch  ;D

Skyline2uk



Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 12, 2016, 02:45:20 PM
 :hellosign: this will probably be my last post for a while. I'm finding trying to load any images onto the forum so frustrating. I'm getting fed up seeing the error message " you don't have permission to upload this image to your gallery"
I will still be posting onto the new railway modellers forum though, as I don't have any issues posting updates.
It's been a number of weeks having difficulties, but hopefully I can return once it's finally resolved. :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on June 12, 2016, 02:59:57 PM
Sorry to hear your leaving us Marcus even if only for a while, Don't leave for good though, by the way it took me over a year or more to learn how to put photos in my folder with several members help, but I managed to put two new folders and a new photo into one of my existing folders with no help at all with the new system .I'm sure if you persisted you will get the hang of it I found it was a lot easier.
Bob
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Pengi on June 12, 2016, 03:30:58 PM
:hellosign: this will probably be my last post for a while. I'm finding trying to load any images onto the forum so frustrating. I'm getting fed up seeing the error message " you don't have permission to upload this image to your gallery"
I will still be posting onto the new railway modellers forum though, as I don't have any issues posting updates.
It's been a number of weeks having difficulties, but hopefully I can return once it's finally resolved. :thankyousign:
Sorry you are having problems Marcus, we'll look into it for you  :pmsign:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 12, 2016, 05:12:49 PM
I think I've work out what I was doing wrong. Just a few snaps of work carried out on layout, platform canopies came out better than I thought. Final droppers wired up, this made a huge difference to operating satisfaction, fiddly, but well worth it. My crane arrived from China, nice detail, perfect for helping build turbines. The station entrance will be changed thx to a few points by Chris in Prague, so that's what I'll be concentrating on next.  :beers:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/4374-120616170143.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40965)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/4374-120616170334.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40966)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/4374-120616170448.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40967)

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Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 12, 2016, 05:18:19 PM
Thanks, Marcus, for another excellent set of photos. Glad to be of help with the station entrance area.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 12, 2016, 05:19:27 PM
Sorry to hear your leaving us Marcus even if only for a while, Don't leave for good though, by the way it took me over a year or more to learn how to put photos in my folder with several members help, but I managed to put two new folders and a new photo into one of my existing folders with no help at all with the new system .I'm sure if you persisted you will get the hang of it I found it was a lot easier.
Bob
all sorted I think now Bob. :beers:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 12, 2016, 05:53:20 PM
Thanks, Marcus, for another excellent set of photos. Glad to be of help with the station entrance area.
I found this on the net. Do you think something similar but with larger frontage, maybe incorporating a small car park area may be more suitable?
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/4374-120616175246.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40970)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 12, 2016, 06:29:42 PM
Hi Marcus, yes, that would work. There were stations which had a Station Road sloping up to the station entrance from lower ground when the station was built on a line which was running on an embankment, for example. The key is to imagine how the land was shaped BEFORE the railway was built through the local landscape. In real life, very few areas of ground are completely flat. There are, usually, slopes up or down.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 12, 2016, 06:46:13 PM
Hi Marcus, yes, that would work. There were stations which had a Station Road sloping up to the station entrance from lower ground when the station was built on a line which was running on an embankment, for example. The key is to imagine how the land was shaped BEFORE the railway was built through the local landscape. In real life, very few areas of ground are completely flat. There are, usually, slopes up or down.
This, I think will probably be the most difficult part of build to get right. I don't want to go overboard with buildings on this part of layout, I fancy just the station with a few small hills, although I'm not sure what to have placed by the two sidings.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 12, 2016, 07:06:35 PM
To keep the land for sidings level, the land they were laid on was either built up on an embankment or dug out of the ground with surrounding banks but don't forget to allow for road access. 8-)

Here is a very good example of a station area built INTO the landscape:

http://trainslayouts.co.vu/diypdfplans/wp-content/upload/2013/12/train/good-model-train-scenery.jpg (http://trainslayouts.co.vu/diypdfplans/wp-content/upload/2013/12/train/good-model-train-scenery.jpg)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: port perran on June 12, 2016, 07:09:11 PM
That all looks very neat and tidy.
Coming along well I think.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 12, 2016, 07:17:30 PM
By the two sidings you can have nothing except a fenced off with an entrance gate surfaced area for road vehicles to load / unload the rail wagons and vans, through a goods crane to a goods crane on a loading platform to a small goods shed, coal bins, a cattle dock, etc. It all depends on how developed the surrounding area is what sort of goods traffic would be handled there.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 18, 2016, 03:06:36 AM
Hello. Ive changed my station entrance to something hopefully more realistic. I will now start to build up the scenery around the ramp and footpath running along side before choosing any hand rails or fences as I'm not really sure how it's going to turn out. My birthday today, I'm now an old fart of 53 so looking forward to the BBQ planned.... Then back in the shed. Perfect :beers:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4374-180616030628.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=41080)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: dannyboy on June 18, 2016, 04:59:51 AM
That's looking good. Happy birthday you old.........hang on there just minute, you're nowt but a young whippersnapper - enjoy the BBQ  :beers:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 18, 2016, 06:51:35 AM
Thanks for the photo. update, Marcus. That's looking far more realistic. I'd continue, though, the road in front of the station to the left to incorporate a wider turning area so that vehicles, after dropping off people, can drive back. If you're going to have a bus stop outside the station (integrated public transport) then the turning area needs to be wide enough for a bus. You might also place steps up from the car park so that railway users can get directly to and from the station. I'd also place a pavement strip directly outside the station. Happy Birthday; you're still a young 'un compared with many of us! 8-)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bealman on June 18, 2016, 06:53:22 AM
Happy birthday, mate. The station forecourt is going to look good!  :beers:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: daveg on June 18, 2016, 07:20:07 AM
Coming along nicely. :thumbsup:

Have a great birthday and hope it stays dry for the BBQ.

Dave G
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: port perran on June 18, 2016, 08:39:00 AM
That looks really good.
Happy Birthday.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Skyline2uk on June 18, 2016, 08:47:10 AM
Happy Birthday Marcus  :thumbsup:

That vender of hot beverages looks familiar  :hmmm:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 18, 2016, 09:03:27 AM
Thanks for the photo. update, Marcus. That's looking far more realistic. I'd continue, though, the road in front of the station to the left to incorporate a wider turning area so that vehicles, after dropping off people, can drive back. If you're going to have a bus stop outside the station (integrated public transport) then the turning area needs to be wide enough for a bus. You might also place steps up from the car park so that railway users can get directly to and from the station. I'd also place a pavement strip directly outside the station. Happy Birthday; you're still a young 'un compared with many of us! 8-)
Hi Chris. The station will incorporate a single bus stop and small car park,where the cars are now was my intended car park / drop off point with just a couple of handicapped slots directly outside station entrance. I don't want to go too large as this is primarily a small town station. I wasn't sure if I should continue the footpath from the entrance ramp up to the station entrance, maybe a cross hatch or zebra crossing, because this isn't a drive by type of station( plus I've got a couple of beacons lying around I'd like to use) I still have the stairs I made previously, I was thinking of using these from car park to station level. What do you think? :hmmm:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 18, 2016, 09:05:06 AM
Coming along nicely. :thumbsup:

Have a great birthday and hope it stays dry for the BBQ.

Dave G
weathers looking good so far, fingers crossed :beers:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 18, 2016, 09:06:28 AM
That's looking good. Happy birthday you old.........hang on there just minute, you're nowt but a young whippersnapper - enjoy the BBQ  :beers:
I'll send you a burger :beers:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 18, 2016, 09:09:17 AM
Happy Birthday Marcus  :thumbsup:

That vender of hot beverages looks familiar  :hmmm:

Skyline2uk
unfortunately, I visit way too many. Wife keeps telling me I'm getting fatter.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 18, 2016, 09:58:31 AM
Thanks for the photo. update, Marcus. That's looking far more realistic. I'd continue, though, the road in front of the station to the left to incorporate a wider turning area so that vehicles, after dropping off people, can drive back. If you're going to have a bus stop outside the station (integrated public transport) then the turning area needs to be wide enough for a bus. You might also place steps up from the car park so that railway users can get directly to and from the station. I'd also place a pavement strip directly outside the station. Happy Birthday; you're still a young 'un compared with many of us! 8-)
Hi Chris. The station will incorporate a single bus stop and small car park,where the cars are now was my intended car park / drop off point with just a couple of handicapped slots directly outside station entrance. I don't want to go too large as this is primarily a small town station. I wasn't sure if I should continue the footpath from the entrance ramp up to the station entrance, maybe a cross hatch or zebra crossing, because this isn't a drive by type of station( plus I've got a couple of beacons lying around I'd like to use) I still have the stairs I made previously, I was thinking of using these from car park to station level. What do you think? :hmmm:

Hi Marcus,

What you describe above sounds an excellent solution. Yes, I would continue the footpath from the entrance ramp up to the station entrance with a zebra crossing, not least so you can use those Belisha beacons. Using the stairs you made previously, from the car park to station level, for passengers to go directly into the station so they didn't miss their morning train would be very good! 8-)

I hope you have very good weather for the barbeque. It's nice and sunny, here.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 18, 2016, 10:09:11 AM
Thanks for the photo. update, Marcus. That's looking far more realistic. I'd continue, though, the road in front of the station to the left to incorporate a wider turning area so that vehicles, after dropping off people, can drive back. If you're going to have a bus stop outside the station (integrated public transport) then the turning area needs to be wide enough for a bus. You might also place steps up from the car park so that railway users can get directly to and from the station. I'd also place a pavement strip directly outside the station. Happy Birthday; you're still a young 'un compared with many of us! 8-)
Hi Chris. The station will incorporate a single bus stop and small car park,where the cars are now was my intended car park / drop off point with just a couple of handicapped slots directly outside station entrance. I don't want to go too large as this is primarily a small town station. I wasn't sure if I should continue the footpath from the entrance ramp up to the station entrance, maybe a cross hatch or zebra crossing, because this isn't a drive by type of station( plus I've got a couple of beacons lying around I'd like to use) I still have the stairs I made previously, I was thinking of using these from car park to station level. What do you think? :hmmm:

Hi Marcus,

What you describe above sounds an excellent solution. Yes, I would continue the footpath from the entrance ramp up to the station entrance with a zebra crossing, not least so you can use those Belisha beacons. Using the stairs you made previously, from the car park to station level, for passengers to go directly into the station so they didn't miss their morning train would be very good! 8-)

I hope you have very good weather for the barbeque. It's nice and sunny, here.
Rhx. Dull and overcast here, but fingers crossed. 8)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 18, 2016, 11:12:31 AM
 :hellosign: Thanks for the updates Marcus,looking good. Happy birthday & enjoy your day
regards Derek.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: mika on June 18, 2016, 12:45:32 PM
Happy birthday, Marcus!
Station is looking good. Keep up the wonderful work!

Cheers
Michael
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on June 18, 2016, 04:15:58 PM
Have a great BBQ and birthday, youngster :)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on June 18, 2016, 06:32:29 PM
Many Happy Returns Marcus Sorry it's a bit late but I've been at Great Central Railway Fri Sat and tomorrow.
Bob
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 19, 2016, 05:48:57 PM
Hello chaps.
Thx for all the birthday wishes.
I had a great day, weather turned out gorgeous. Didn't get any time in the shed as certain guests couldn't pull themselves away from the BBQ till quite late.
Loads of goodies left over that I intend enjoying today :beers:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 20, 2016, 07:37:59 PM
Belated happy birthday Marcus (I agree with NNs comment about youngster).

I've been following your thread most of this year. Excellent modelling, very inspiring and I will be stealing lots of ideas and techniques!
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on June 25, 2016, 10:44:35 AM
Belated happy birthday Marcus (I agree with NNs comment about youngster).

I've been following your thread most of this year. Excellent modelling, very inspiring and I will be stealing lots of ideas and techniques!
Thanks Keith. Hope my efforts help you. :beers:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 03, 2016, 10:27:31 PM
 :hellosign: getting to my busiest time of year business wise so I haven't been able to spend as much time in the shed as I would have liked. I managed to carry out a little more work on the station area, the surrounding landscape will eventually come up to the level of car park, as suggested by other members as not to make the countryside flat in appearance. I found the station area more difficult than I had anticipated, having changed it several times. I looked at a few examples and modelled my own with a few changes. Overall I'm ok with it, not as flash as some stunning examples I've looked at, but passable upon my modelling skills. My station lights I ordered from good old China haven't arrived yet but once they do, I'll put up a photo showing how they look at night. Hoping to find time for a little more building this week, I'd like to put in place the road from the upper level down to the station, but we'll have to see. :wave:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4374-030716222602.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=41658)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4374-030716222657.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=41659)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 03, 2016, 11:05:02 PM
 :hellosign:  &   :greatpicturessign: Thanks for the updates, looking good
regards Derek.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 04, 2016, 08:28:15 AM
It's looking very good, now. Thanks for the photos.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: dodger112958 on July 05, 2016, 08:08:18 PM
Just read through the whole thread. From that initial start in the conservatory to what you have now, simply fantastic. You certainly have an eye for detail and creating lovely little cameo scenes.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 05, 2016, 11:21:51 PM
Just read through the whole thread. From that initial start in the conservatory to what you have now, simply fantastic. You certainly have an eye for detail and creating lovely little cameo scenes.
Thank you for your compliment. I've really enjoyed the build, made a few mistakes along the way, but then that's how you learn. I hope you continue to follow and glad you enjoyed reading the thread. :thankyousign:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on July 15, 2016, 05:37:37 PM
 :hellosign: just a little update on Marcroft station. I have yet to wire up platform lights, added a few passengers and burts hot dogs are selling well. Started to try and blend station into what will be countryside, as I would like to keep this part of layout minimal, industry wise. The one thing missing is trees, I need lots more trees. All in all, happy with things so far, but still a long, long way to go. :beers:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4374-150716173634.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=41987)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/4374-150716173723.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=41988)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on July 15, 2016, 06:33:53 PM
Hi Marcus it's nice to see my catering services have spread to your area I do have franchised vans operating now.
BOB
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Skyline2uk on July 15, 2016, 06:52:52 PM
 :laughabovepost:

Oh eck I have a van too, quick hide before I get an invoice!

Cracking progress on the layout Marcus  :thumbsup:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 05, 2016, 10:08:28 PM
 :hellosign: I just thought I'd mention a visit today. I won some trees off eBay and went to collect from sellers house. Whilst there, he introduced me to his layout....OMG!! Absolutely stunning. I have never seen so much detail in a layout than what I was shown today. The whole layout was controlled by computer using fibre optics. It's looked like something out of the star ship enterprise, the optics under the board were just one mass of flickering lights and as for the control panel? Unbelievable. All the trains returned to their start point and then he simply instigated any number of programs, then you watched in ore. Class 08 shunters preparing and organising wagons utilising electro magnets, then watching it returning to its shed, then wagons collected ready for mainline use, all carried out as per the program. It took over 5 years to program all the different operations at a cost of over £11000. Simply put, it blew me away.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: dannyboy on August 05, 2016, 10:33:55 PM
I am not surprised you were blown away - 5 years and £11000  :o :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on August 05, 2016, 10:38:09 PM
I am not surprised you were blown away - 5 years and £11000  :o :goggleeyes:
a true work of art.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Bob Tidbury on August 06, 2016, 09:27:27 AM
Makes my effort sound very amateurish shame you didn't have your camera with you and you could have shared some photos with us all.
Bob
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Caz on August 06, 2016, 06:35:42 PM
:hellosign: I just thought I'd mention a visit today. I won some trees off eBay and went to collect from sellers house. Whilst there, he introduced me to his layout....OMG!! Absolutely stunning. I have never seen so much detail in a layout than what I was shown today. The whole layout was controlled by computer using fibre optics. It's looked like something out of the star ship enterprise, the optics under the board were just one mass of flickering lights and as for the control panel? Unbelievable. All the trains returned to their start point and then he simply instigated any number of programs, then you watched in ore. Class 08 shunters preparing and organising wagons utilising electro magnets, then watching it returning to its shed, then wagons collected ready for mainline use, all carried out as per the program. It took over 5 years to program all the different operations at a cost of over £11000. Simply put, it blew me away.

Sounds like my kind of layout, don't think I've spend even half of that, at least I hope so.   :uneasy:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: lil chris on August 06, 2016, 09:03:22 PM
My mrs would go mad if she new what I have spent, although she now knows the price of my next loco for my birthday, maybe I should have bought it on the quiet and said nothing. Do you have the same problems has us fellas Caz or maybe you are your own boss, sorry not being nosey, just tell me to b****r off if you want. I look at it this way I do not smoke I hardly ever drink I have given up my motorbike, I need some pleasure now I have retired.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Caz on August 07, 2016, 09:21:18 PM
Do you have the same problems has us fellas Caz or maybe you are your own boss, sorry not being nosey, just tell me to b****r off if you want. I look at it this way I do not smoke I hardly ever drink I have given up my motorbike, I need some pleasure now I have retired.

Oh yes, exactly the same problem, manage to collect from post box when other half at work.   ;) 
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 11, 2016, 02:33:58 PM
 :hellosign: just a little update on the progress of the scenery. Whilst we still have warm weather I'm concentrating on as much detailing that needs the nice warm sun, iE, glueing. Im adding a few more detailing items purchased from the N gauge show visited yesterday and spreading those around accordingly. I'll be posting another video onto YouTube shortly, so I'll post link when that's done. :beers:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4374-110916143123.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43520)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4374-110916143158.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43521)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4374-110916143232.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43522)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4374-110916143310.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43523)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: dannyboy on September 11, 2016, 02:37:58 PM
Looking good Marcus.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 11, 2016, 03:22:24 PM
Excellent work, Marcus. Looking very good.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: daveg on September 11, 2016, 03:23:38 PM
Nice curves!  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: port perran on September 11, 2016, 03:47:19 PM
Smashing.
Like it a lot.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Skyline2uk on September 11, 2016, 04:09:11 PM
Fantastic work from the man supposedly having a crisis of confidence having seen Kato track!

The standard you have achieved would have probably been possible with Kato, but would have taken more work to achieve scenically and I am sure others will agree.

Please keep pictures and videos coming

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Newportnobby on September 11, 2016, 05:44:39 PM
As a first build it's remarkable what you have achieved :claphappy:
Mind you, I'd have used electrofrog points ;)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 11, 2016, 08:07:19 PM
As a first build it's remarkable what you have achieved :claphappy:
Mind you, I'd have used electrofrog points ;)
At the point of beginning the build, I was a tad naive between Electrofrog points and insulfrog. But yes, had I known, I also would have gone down the Electrofrog
 route. I have placed droppers before, middle and after each point so running performance is very satisfactory. I don't like the amount of black plastic on show but I'm hoping to minimise this once I weather the track and sleepers.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: lil chris on September 11, 2016, 10:07:20 PM
Yes Kato track is very good from what I have seen but would require more work to make it look presentable. I have some code 80 insulfrogs points  in my fiddle yard and they are causing problems, I might replace some of them before long.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 11, 2016, 11:29:38 PM
Yes Kato track is very good from what I have seen but would require more work to make it look presentable. I have some code 80 insulfrogs points  in my fiddle yard and they are causing problems, I might replace some of them before long.
what problems are you having?
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: lil chris on September 12, 2016, 10:52:40 AM
Hi Marcus, a couple of my loco'so short and trip my system when they go over the insulfrog  points. It is a pain but not the end of the world, one of the loco's a 4F does it and I have checked the back to back which is within the limits.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 12, 2016, 07:30:51 PM
Hi Marcus, a couple of my loco'so short and trip my system when they go over the insulfrog  points. It is a pain but not the end of the world, one of the loco's a 4F does it and I have checked the back to back which is within the limits.
I had exactly the same problem with my 4f and Dapol class 66. The reason I found it shorts out is that certain loco's wheels touch both the neg and pos sides of rail on the frog where the rails are very close. All I did was apply about 2mm of enamel paint on the closest point on either the + or - rail, it doesn't matter which, problem solved, no more shorting out. Just remember to replace paint if you rub it off whilst cleaning though. Give it a go and let me know how you get on :thumbsup:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: lil chris on September 12, 2016, 08:07:11 PM
Thanks Marcus, would you believe I have already done the same thing on a curved live frog point where my track aproaches the station round a curve. I will probably try it in the insulfrog point when I get round to it. I need a box with a label on it "when I get round to it"...he...he
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 12, 2016, 08:25:51 PM
Thanks Marcus, would you believe I have already done the same thing on a curved live frog point where my track aproaches the station round a curve. I will probably try it in the insulfrog point when I get round to it. I need a box with a label on it "when I get round to it"...he...he

Many years ago, a friend at work was given a "Roundtuit" mug!
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: dannyboy on September 12, 2016, 09:12:07 PM
@lil chris (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1784) - here you go -

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/4209-120916210915.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43587)
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 13, 2016, 07:10:07 AM
Fantastic work from the man supposedly having a crisis of confidence having seen Kato track!

The standard you have achieved would have probably been possible with Kato, but would have taken more work to achieve scenically and I am sure others will agree.

Please keep pictures and videos coming

Skyline2uk
Thx. My thoughts on Not using Kato track, looking back were probably based on ease of use. Had I used Kato, I would not have been able to achieve the design I have now. Without Peco flexitrack it wouldn't have been possible. I like Kato but for the wrong reasons so my posting was a bit of a knee jerk reaction at seeing something different other than Peco, offering an easier solution, especially when it comes to points. So basically I have no regrets. Just
 didn't think about it properly before making comment.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 13, 2016, 08:22:11 AM
 :hellosign: Morning all. I have been busy with the scenery which I'm happy with. What I would like to have a go with is weathering a small section of ballested track. Looking at YouTube videos, this is something that should have been carried out before ballesting. Can anyone suggest a way of weathering ballested track? I was thinking about just simply spraying the track with rusty brown paint and cleaning the top rail, but then how do I avoid spaying the actual ballest. This is still a huge learning curve for me so any suggestions would be appreciated. Thx guys. :hmmm:
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Skyline2uk on September 13, 2016, 08:31:26 AM
I would also be interested in responses, however I am sure I have seen layouts / members on here who have done just as you suggest.

After all, in real life the grime from the track in real life does seem to spread on to the ballast:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=weathered+track+uk&client=safari&channel=iphone_bm&prmd=simvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwih36OJ6YvPAhXD3iwKHcq3BcUQ_AUICSgC&biw=320&bih=460#channel=iphone_bm&tbm=isch&q=british+rail+track&imgrc=6eAmDQTTlHpeRM%3A (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=weathered+track+uk&client=safari&channel=iphone_bm&prmd=simvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwih36OJ6YvPAhXD3iwKHcq3BcUQ_AUICSgC&biw=320&bih=460#channel=iphone_bm&tbm=isch&q=british+rail+track&imgrc=6eAmDQTTlHpeRM%3A)

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 13, 2016, 08:48:09 AM
I would also be interested in responses, however I am sure I have seen layouts / members on here who have done just as you suggest.

After all, in real life the grime from the track in real life does seem to spread on to the ballast:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=weathered+track+uk&client=safari&channel=iphone_bm&prmd=simvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwih36OJ6YvPAhXD3iwKHcq3BcUQ_AUICSgC&biw=320&bih=460#channel=iphone_bm&tbm=isch&q=british+rail+track&imgrc=6eAmDQTTlHpeRM%3A (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=weathered+track+uk&client=safari&channel=iphone_bm&prmd=simvn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwih36OJ6YvPAhXD3iwKHcq3BcUQ_AUICSgC&biw=320&bih=460#channel=iphone_bm&tbm=isch&q=british+rail+track&imgrc=6eAmDQTTlHpeRM%3A)

Skyline2uk
Hi. Looking at your rather impressive layout your ballest looks also a little too clean. If I have ago, and it looks ok, give it a try. I'll be the Guinea pig...Lol.
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Skyline2uk on September 13, 2016, 08:56:07 AM
Lol, perhaps a couple of lengths of track on a small test section before committing to your layout?

Re my layout; you are of course correct, but I tend to pretend the track is newly laid as the Avonmouth loop is upgraded for passenger traffic (plus it lets me run my Dogfish / Seacow and JJA rakes  ;)). That said, I could look at how to carefully tone down the "fresh" look, some of my traction is no doubt leaking oil and giving of clouds of break dust!

Shall watch your experiments with interest  :thumbsup:

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: My first model railway build.
Post by: Marcus Amison on September 13, 2016, 09:14:08 AM
Lol, perhaps a couple of lengths of track on a small test section before committing to your layout?

Re my layout; you are of course correct, but I tend to pretend the track is newly laid as the Avonmouth loop is upgraded for passenger traffic (plus it lets me run my Dogfish / Seacow and JJA rakes  ;)). That said, I could look at how to carefully tone down the "fresh" look, some of my traction is no doubt leaking oil and giving of clouds of break dust!

Shall watch your experiments with interest  :thumbsup:

Skyline2uk
once I'm ready to dive in,  I'll experiment on the track under the removable sections so if it looks "pants" you won't see it. :D
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