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Title: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: PostModN66 on February 04, 2015, 12:01:45 PM
So here is my pitch for Ben and Mike...

How about a first gen EMU for the WCML?

It is a real gap as we have 86s, 87s, 90s but nothing to run alongside them in BR Blue/sectorisation times.

The best choice might be a 310/312. as it had a wider area of operations than the 304.

In response to the "checklist":

Do you think there are 1000 modellers to buy one? 

Hmmmm... not sure, but there is at the moment no other RTR model in this category.

Would they accept a sensible price?


Lord knows!

Do you know where we could get proper drawings, or is there a real one left to laser scan to be confident of accuracy?

I believe a 312 did make it into preservation - I am assuming here that it is basically the same shape as a 310 (pardon my ignorance if not)

Given current N Gauge technology would there be any serious manufacturing compromises

I would guess same issues as 350, Midland Pullman etc....nothing major

Any thoughts?

Cheers  Jon  :)


Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Brooksy on February 04, 2015, 01:24:39 PM
How about a first gen EMU for the WCML?

...

The best choice might be a 310/312. as it had a wider area of operations than the 304.


As a general guide it might be worth looking at the results of the MREmag 2014 wishlist poll:

http://www.mremag.com/sites/10/documents/5_2014_RBC_N.pdf (http://www.mremag.com/sites/10/documents/5_2014_RBC_N.pdf)

Page 6(end) and 7 have the results on EMUs and this suggests that the 304/305/308 are more popular in third place with 48 votes compared to the 310-312 in 20th place with 32 votes.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Arrachogaidh on February 04, 2015, 01:51:44 PM

 results on EMUs and this suggests that the 304/305/308 are more popular in third place with 48 votes compared to the 310-312 in 20th place with 32 votes.

Which is quite a way short of 1000 units.......   :laugh3:
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: PostModN66 on February 04, 2015, 01:57:09 PM
Page 6(end) and 7 have the results on EMUs and this suggests that the 304/305/308 are more popular in third place with 48 votes compared to the 310-312 in 20th place with 32 votes.

Yes - I would prefer one and I am currently building one from a kit.

A problem though is that none have been saved into preservation so I don't know about the practicality of designing it.

Cheers Jon   :)

BTW: hoping my Gresley bogies from the N Gauge shop will arrive soon!
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Newportnobby on February 04, 2015, 03:43:36 PM
As one who was a spotter at Wolverton from the late 50's through the 60's and again, although it's outside my modelling area/era, even I would buy an AM10 especially as I 'cleared' this class and all the electric locos :D
Virtually all my trainspotting travels started off on an AM10 from Wolverton heading north or south.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: PaulCheffus on February 04, 2015, 03:44:58 PM

 results on EMUs and this suggests that the 304/305/308 are more popular in third place with 48 votes compared to the 310-312 in 20th place with 32 votes.

Which is quite a way short of 1000 units.......   :laugh3:

Hi

Then again how many people didn't bother to vote as its too time consuming or viewed as a waste of time. I certainly didn't vote on that poll but I would be interested in a 304.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Brooksy on February 04, 2015, 03:56:09 PM
Then again how many people didn't bother to vote as its too time consuming or viewed as a waste of time. I certainly didn't vote on that poll but I would be interested in a 304.

That's only important if the views of those who consider it a waste of time are different to those that don't. Why don't you start a poll for those people that consider a polls a waste of time and see what they think?  ;)
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: PaulCheffus on February 04, 2015, 03:58:04 PM
Then again how many people didn't bother to vote as its too time consuming or viewed as a waste of time. I certainly didn't vote on that poll but I would be interested in a 304.

That's only important if the views of those who consider it a waste of time are different to those that don't. Why don't you start a poll for those people that consider a polls a waste of time and see what they think?  ;)

Hi

You're completely missing the point of my post.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Zunnan on February 04, 2015, 04:25:41 PM
I'd be in for a few 304's of both window patterns, and a 308/2. I think I even said to Ben at Warley that I'd string up wires through Bournville if a Dinosaur was ever produced.

The 304 family has a good scope for variation, certainly more so than the 310/312 (I'd also be in for a 310). The 304s took the Midland lines, the 305s and 308s were Great Eastern running out of Liverpool Street and London Tilsbury (308/2 if I recall) though in later life could be seen in the Manchester area, and in my diary from school after the 1991 electrification of the Birmingham Cross City line all three classes operated on the route for a period. There is also the opportunity to produce the class 504 Bury units.

The main difficulty with them is that a 3 car unit needs 3 different body toolings, 4 car needs 4. To cover the 304 alone needs 8 body toolings, 4 for the first batch which had narrow windows, 4 for the second batch which had larger windows. If I recall the 305 had the same window arrangement as the second batch 304. The 308 had the narrower windows of the first batch 304 but I think the seating arrangements were different which resulted in a different window layout. Between the three classes there are at least 10 body tools needed that I can think of, off the top of my head...and thats before I even think about the 504, which has a slightly different cab front accomodating a third window located where the destination blind is on the AC units.

The 310/312 is a much simpler prospect needing 4 body tools, plus having to deal with the curved windscreen to model the early days units. Even though I'd much rather see a 304, I think these Mk2 units are a much simpler prospect.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: ScottyStitch on February 04, 2015, 05:18:08 PM
I know absolutely nothing about these fellas, but if it comes to the crunch I'd certainly buy one. They look quite nice. Who knows I might even become a Revolution Trains Collector!
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Ben A on February 04, 2015, 07:30:51 PM

Hello all,

Jon - thanks for starting the thread.

From the responses so far it does seem as though the AM10 is the obvious starting point - as Zunnan points out the 30X series just seem to have too many idiosyncracies to be feasible.

Also, I wouldn't necessarily read too much into polls.  The Pendolino poll on this forum only has, from memory, around 35 people saying they want one, and we all know what's happened there...

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: acko22 on February 04, 2015, 08:50:08 PM
Hi Gents,

I would be in for a couple maybe 3 of the class 304s if they were in the offering I have many a childhood memory of using them to get to Manchester from Sale for my holidays to Barry Island  :D

Although a big issue is there are none for laser scanning which makes it an issue! As for other first gen EMUs how many sets are still about and in one piece? Unlike the Pendolino or modern EMUs they differ in each car so a complete train would be needed to be scanned!

I am not rubbishing the plans and like I say offer me a 304 and I am yours! But unless there are complete examples about then costs are going to rise due to higher R&D and people have to be prepared for that reality.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: ASFC on February 04, 2015, 08:55:19 PM
I would buy a 30x/31x emu (variation thereof!) if it was put forward on revolution trains.

Just saying.  :-X
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Plainline. on February 04, 2015, 09:17:33 PM
A 309 in maroon would be very nice!
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: PostModN66 on February 04, 2015, 09:33:29 PM
I have been thinking about how to answer the difficult question "would they be prepared to pay a reasonable price".  This is tricky...but I'll stick my neck out;

I did a quick analysis of prices of MUs vs. number of carriages, using the BP, BB, 350, Voyager, 4CEP and 3 and 2 car 170s with prices from Hattons.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_21125.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=21125)

What this seems to say is that for a standard commercial product the price is about 60 for the motorised unit and 36 for each unpowered carriage.  (Incidentally using this formula the Pendo is a fabulous bargain!)

This would put a four car unit at about 170, but we would expect to pay a premium for these niche products - so let me suggest a 1/3 uplift to roughly 225.  I would certainly buy a couple at this price, but what do you reckon?   And Mike or Ben, correct me if I'm way off the mark!

Cheers

Jon  :)
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: ScottyStitch on February 04, 2015, 09:55:21 PM
I have been thinking about how to answer the difficult question "would they be prepared to pay a reasonable price".  This is tricky...but I'll stick my neck out;

I did a quick analysis of prices of MUs vs. number of carriages, using the BP, BB, 350, Voyager, 4CEP and 3 and 2 car 170s with prices from Hattons.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_21125.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=21125[/url])

What this seems to say is that for a standard commercial product the price is about 60 for the motorised unit and 36 for each unpowered carriage.  (Incidentally using this formula the Pendo is a fabulous bargain!)

This would put a four car unit at about 170, but we would expect to pay a premium for these niche products - so let me suggest a 1/3 uplift to roughly 225.  I would certainly buy a couple at this price, but what do you reckon?   And Mike or Ben, correct me if I'm way off the mark!

Cheers

Jon  :)


Interesting. That would tie in with the suggested RRP of an 11 car Pendolino. Using your prices, it would be 444, not a kick in the backside off the 450-460 suggested during the Kickstarter campaign......?

Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Ben A on February 04, 2015, 10:24:02 PM

Hi Jon,

That seems like a pretty fair analysis to me, but realistically each deal would probably be different; and there are other variables - for example one bargaining chip we have to keep the price down is that we give the tooling to the manufacturer afterwards, as neither Mike or I are interested in actually becoming manufacturers.

And, of course, it depends on the manufacturer too, and their own costs and needs.  For example, as I said at the time Rapido offered us an amazing deal on the Pendo because by happy coincidence at the time they were looking to get into British N and the Kickstarter seemed like an easy "win."

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Karhedron on February 05, 2015, 02:53:55 PM
Another factor that affects price is whether each vehicle is unique or if there are multiples of the same type. The Blue Pullman does well here as it is only 3 unique vehicles with 2 of each making up a 6-car train.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Zunnan on February 05, 2015, 03:22:18 PM
This point goes against the 310/312 as all 3 or 4 cars in each unit are unique, the same goes for the 30x units. It is the same case for the class 101 and 108 DMUs, but then first gen DMUs are very poorly represented too. I'd give as much to see a class 115/116/117 produced as a class 304 to be honest. But like the 30x units the differences are subtle and no class of unit really has common vehicles, even the intermediate trailers have differences in window layout.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: ScottyStitch on February 05, 2015, 03:29:50 PM
This point goes against the 310/312 as all 3 or 4 cars in each unit are unique, the same goes for the 30x units. It is the same case for the class 101 and 108 DMUs, but then first gen DMUs are very poorly represented too. I'd give as much to see a class 115/116/117 produced as a class 304 to be honest. But like the 30x units the differences are subtle and no class of unit really has common vehicles, even the intermediate trailers have differences in window layout.

So what are the differences between the 115, 116, 117?
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Ian Morton on February 05, 2015, 03:32:06 PM
I know it wouldn't be 'state of the art' but if the 30x was done as clear shells with vinyl overlays it could probably accomodate all the different flavours and only need 3 unique bodyshells.

It would still be streets ahead of trying to build one any other way.

I want three please!
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: red_death on February 05, 2015, 04:02:04 PM
Different window layouts is not necessarily the end of the world.

I'd be interested in other people's views but I think there can be a place in N for either window inlays or printed sides (on the assumption that both are done well and are appropriate for the prototype).

For example, Dapol's Mk3s should be significantly better than the Farish ones but they are spoilt by glazing which is frankly horrible (as well as a questionable body/roof shape). I know that might be controversial but a Mk3 is pretty flush glazed!

Similarly for window inlays provided the join between the inlay and body can be reasonably well disguised then that could be a possibility.

Separate glazing can be better (and makes repaints so much easier if it comes out OK!), but done badly it is no better than printed detail or inlays (IMHO!).  As I said, if my views are way out of kilter with everyone else then I'll be quiet!

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: free debt man on February 05, 2015, 04:08:23 PM
What about the IEP (Inter City Express Programme)(Class 800/1)? The first one is now on the high seas heading for the UK. For those with East Coast &/or Great Western layouts.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: dodger on February 05, 2015, 04:10:13 PM


So what are the differences between the 115, 116, 117?

Apart from minor differences the major differences are:

Class 115

4 vehicles, two identical power cars, but different power equipment and smaller  brake compartment than class 116 or 117. Both trailer are different, one has toilet, but much is similar.

Class 116/117

Only one power car has brake compartment. Minor differences between 116 and 117 power cars, mostly destination and route indicator panels and power equipment.

The front 2/3rds of the DMBS and DMS are identical. Much of the body is identical to the class 121/122 produced by Dapol. The Dapol chassis would be suitable.

Class 116 TC or TS are virtually identical externally, but differ internally. Very similar to class 115 TS. Class 117 TC is very similar to Class 115 TC externally but varies internally.

As an addition the class 118 is identical to the class 117 apart from the top of the route indication box.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: red_death on February 05, 2015, 04:14:39 PM
Folks

I know the question about 115/116/117 etc was asked on this thread, but it is probably only fair to set up a new thread so that things don't get mixed up (or lost!).

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: PostModN66 on February 05, 2015, 04:19:47 PM
I'd be interested in other people's views but I think there can be a place in N for either window inlays or printed sides (on the assumption that both are done well and are appropriate for the prototype).

Hi Mike,

Printed would be fine for me; I am not sure what you mean by "window inlays" but I am guessing that it was done to a standard that satisfied you and Ben then it would be fine for me.

My priorities are that the overall shape is spot on and that it is crisply moulded with no obvious faults like lines between mouldings, and that the livery is right and neatly printed.  And that it runs really well...and maybe no split gears.  (Personally I can live with some inexactitudes in window layouts and detail.)

Cheers  Jon  :)
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: woodbury22uk on February 05, 2015, 04:59:51 PM
Different window layouts is not necessarily the end of the world.

I'd be interested in other people's views but I think there can be a place in N for either window inlays or printed sides (on the assumption that both are done well and are appropriate for the prototype).

For example, Dapol's Mk3s should be significantly better than the Farish ones but they are spoilt by glazing which is frankly horrible (as well as a questionable body/roof shape). I know that might be controversial but a Mk3 is pretty flush glazed.

Cheers, Mike

I think there is definitely a place for printed glazing provided that it is sufficiently opaque to prevent see through/ light leakage on the printed bits and at joints. Looking at a number of ribbon glazed vehicles over the past few days I think it would be a major engineering challenge to make them look convincing in any other way. I can see this issue arising with the Pendolino which really is absolutely flush glazed.

Some of the Mk1 and Mk 2 derived multiple units do have more of a texture about the windows being set back from the sides, as Ian Morton says somewhere in this topic, where the depth of a vinyl printed side would be about right.

I have produced coach sides 5 thou thick with half etched window frames set back by 2.5 thou from the bodyside - so about 0.35 inch in full size terms - with the glazing another scale 0.35 inch behind the front face of the frame. That just about looks OK, but anymore and the inset of the glazing looks too much.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: ScottyStitch on February 05, 2015, 05:52:52 PM
Folks

I know the question about 115/116/117 etc was asked on this thread, but it is probably only fair to set up a new thread so that things don't get mixed up (or lost!).

Cheers, Mike

Apologies, my fault. As you were  :sorrysign:

Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Cooper on February 06, 2015, 04:34:00 PM
I would support and buy a 310! They were trains I travelled on in my childhood and were a good looking design. They got about a bit after they left the WCML and would support at least 3 livery variations. (BR blue /grey, NSE and a Provincial Railways type variation for the West Midlands based units eventually IIRC). There were some gangway variations before and after refurbishment and I think they ended up as 3 car units to aid acceleration like a lot of DMUs did. The 312s differed in technical equipment but I don't remember them differing visually, although I'd stand to be corrected.

The 304 family and the like also got about a lot in their various guises! And ended up in the West Midlands too as 3 cars. Drivers remember them for being fast but severely under braked once the trailer car was removed! Lots of livery variations but from the above posts more difficult to model accurately, although I wonder if anyone would notice the window anomalies in this case?

A web search seems to suggest a 307 BDTBSO and a 308 BDTSO is preserved, and two vehicles of a 312 792', a TSO and a DTCO, leaving the motor coach MBSO and Brake BDTSO missing for scanning for a 312 and the lions share of 30x vehicles too. 😞
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Portpatrick on February 06, 2015, 04:41:06 PM
I admit that while it hardly figures in my mainstream interests I could be interested in  a 310, esp if in plain BR Blue.  I travelled on these when I started commuting from Watford Jcn to Easton in 1975.  They were nice units to ride in.  They were, then, corridor connected between coaches 1/2, and 3/4, but not through the whole unit.  There was a toilet in each pair.  The characteristic curved windscreen would, I guess, be a challenge to model.  But to have one alongside my Farish 350, as the final unit I travelled on before retirement , would be fun.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Cooper on February 06, 2015, 05:27:23 PM
Of course, I'd forgotten about the original plain blue! It looked very stylish when clean with chrome arrows and window frames. Those curved windows are another difference, being modified over time to a plain windscreen.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: StufromEGDL on February 06, 2015, 05:35:40 PM
Hi Gang,

Don't suppose Id get much support for a 303/311....

Liveries...
Caledonian (Electric) blue
BR blue,
Blue/grey
Strathclyde Red (orange)
SPTE
GMPTE
NSE

Might be the 3d print route for this one......

Later,
Stu from EGDL.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Portpatrick on February 06, 2015, 06:27:01 PM
With my prime Scottish interests, please don't tempt me Stu!!  I am a long way from being broke but there is a limit to how much SWMBO would not notice!
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: javlinfaw7 on February 07, 2015, 01:20:28 AM
I would love a 303 or 311 travelled on them for years when I worked in Hillington 1975 o 1990
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: gc4946 on February 07, 2015, 11:30:34 AM
Scottish Region's "pet" unit 303 048 in original blue visited Brighton for an open day in 1991

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ashfordjohn/7685199790/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/ashfordjohn/7685199790/)
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: SD35 on February 07, 2015, 12:22:36 PM
I would be interested in several of any of the above and while I would selfishly prefer a fleet of 304's, from a successful project point of view I would suggest a 305 due to their later moves from the south east to the Manchester and Edinburgh areas, thereby broadening the appeal.

Being realistic about cost, I have a little matrix to estimate rates based on current new model retail prices:

1) powered car - like a new loco - 100
2) trailer vehicle - like a coach - 20
3) driving trailer - extra detail like a DVT or dummy loco - say 35

On this basis I don't think it would be unreasonable to pay a minimum of 175 for a four car 305 or 310 type unit.

Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: acko22 on February 07, 2015, 12:57:52 PM
Well not going to lie I thought that something like the 30x series would be more limited but there seems to be a fair bit of interest.

Postmod can you set up a poll? Would help build a case for an AM1 to see if its a feasible project
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: PostModN66 on February 07, 2015, 06:34:36 PM
Well not going to lie I thought that something like the 30x series would be more limited but there seems to be a fair bit of interest.

Postmod can you set up a poll? Would help build a case for an AM1 to see if its a feasible project

Hi Acko,

Yep - put up a poll.  I have skewed it to consider 304/310 first as that seems to be the main thrust, but a section for other choices -

Hope this allows people to express themselves - if it doesn't give you exactly the option that expresses your wishes (all) indicate the closest to your opinion and clarify in a post.

Cheers  Jon  :)
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Zunnan on February 07, 2015, 08:30:30 PM
Both 304 and 310 gets my vote, multiple of each. Dapol would also get some 86 sales from me out of it too.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Cooper on February 07, 2015, 10:49:47 PM
Thanks for putting up the poll Jon. X2 310s for me! Better get my Dapol 86 ready for spraying banger blue!
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: PostModN66 on February 07, 2015, 10:59:57 PM
Thanks for putting up the poll Jon. X2 310s for me! Better get my Dapol 86 ready for spraying banger blue!

It's all heading WCML Neal!   Cheers  Jon  :)
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: cornish yorkie on February 07, 2015, 11:00:25 PM
Hi all, I would definenatley   be interested in any of the above.   I remember the 308s  in West Yorkshire.
  regards  Derek.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: PostModN66 on February 09, 2015, 09:45:22 AM
An update on question 3 (can we get drawings or laser scan?) the answer to this seems to be a strong "yes" (to the measuring/laser scanning for the 310/312 option).

I have contacted Ian Brown, the Chairman of the Electric Railway Museum and got the following response:

Yes the ERM has two Class 312 vehicles owned by one of our members. I am sure we will be pleased to facilitate you measuring the vehicles etc.

In fact, I hope I haven't set a hare running too early!  Anyway I will follow up, and see if there is an opportunity for me to go and look at/photograph the vehicles over the next few months, just to check the lie of the land and build some relationships.

Cheers Jon  :)
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Cooper on February 10, 2015, 04:27:14 PM
That's good news Jon! Do you need someone to hold the other end of the tape measure? Is the Electric Railway Museum near Coventry?
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: PostModN66 on February 10, 2015, 04:59:55 PM
That would be great!

I was going to suggest a trip up when they open, which I'm guessing is around Easter.  I say guessing because the website wasn't working yesterday!

Cheers  Jon  :)
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: acko22 on February 10, 2015, 05:57:18 PM
If you guys get a date and I could make it I would be more than willing to lend a hand.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: PostModN66 on February 10, 2015, 06:03:38 PM
If you guys get a date and I could make it I would be more than willing to lend a hand.

Cheers Acko!

Let's not get carried away though - I am initially suggesting just a trip to check out what they have, what condition etc. and maybe introduce myself to the staff.  Also - I am just interested in the Museum itself, having not heard of it before, and would be interested to check out the pan arrangements on the 305 they seem to have, to help with the 304 kit I am making.

There's a lot of water to run under the bridge before we get to the stage of needing the laser scan, but let's hope we can build up a head of steam to get to that point eventually!

Fingers crossed!  Cheers  Jon  :)
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: acko22 on February 10, 2015, 06:07:53 PM
A 304 kit you say!

What kit do you have I have etchings from worsley works that I am looking at doing at some stage well unless a rtr model comes out.
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: PostModN66 on February 10, 2015, 07:48:53 PM
A 304 kit you say!

What kit do you have I have etchings from worsley works that I am looking at doing at some stage well unless a rtr model comes out.


It's an Amsie's kit - now no longer available.  Here is the thread although it has stalled a bit.  I'm waiting for Gresley bogies from the NGS shop....been waiting a while..........

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23530.msg268717#msg268717 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=23530.msg268717#msg268717)

Cheers  Jon  :)
Title: Re: Suggestion for RevolutioN - a first gen overhead EMU?
Post by: Hazr1980 on February 22, 2015, 07:47:17 PM
I would certainly be in the market for a 304/305, either in Regional Railways or GMPTE livery.  Heck, maybe even 1 of each, to add to my already ordered 9-car Pendolino!  I remember travelling on the 304s and 305 as a child/teenager, and have fond memories of them in running in Greater Manchester and Cheshire.  I've been hoping someone would make one for a few years, but doubt it'll ever happen.  If you could pull it off, I'd be in the queue!

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Post by: mickjsg on February 23, 2015, 03:39:55 PM
A class 303 or 311 would be great. I'd buy either one for sure.
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