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Title: Woodland scenics water
Post by: steve836 on July 11, 2014, 08:59:48 PM
I intend to use the Woodland Scenics imitation water on the canal for my layout. I have some artists oil paint but would prefer to use acrylic as it dries much faster! Does anyone have experience of this product as I would hate to have a bad reaction between paint and water?
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: zwilnik on July 11, 2014, 09:12:04 PM
I had no problems using it over acrylic paint on Ivebridge. The only real problem I had was that it doesn't go very far and triple check that the area you're filling is perfectly sealed, otherwise it'll leak.
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: steve836 on July 11, 2014, 09:44:27 PM
I have measured the width every six inches to get an average, multiplied by the length and depth and recon I need 300ml so a bottle at 480ml should be plenty(fingers crossed)
but as I also have a river to do I intend getting 2 bottles plus some water effects. The canal is formed from 1/2 inch ply reamed out with 2 joints filled with wood filler, but in view of your comment I shall give it a coat of pva before painting.
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: Malc on July 11, 2014, 10:14:29 PM
Keep some blutack on hand when you start to pour, it might come in handy. My canal runs off the edge of the layout and my plasticard dam sprang a leak. I painted a few streaks of brown and green on the bottom before I filled it. As Zwilnik says, it doesn't go as far as you think. I did it in layers rather than all at once.
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: zwilnik on July 11, 2014, 10:31:46 PM
I've also noticed that it never really fully hardens. If you leave something on it accidentally while you're working elsewhere on the layout, it'll leave an impression, even if it's months after you poured it.

Watch out for dust and stray ballast too :)

You can get some nice effects with it though. I think I ended up using 3 bottles so far.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/New_Layout/Dir_1/medium_10701.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=10701)
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: Chetcombe on July 12, 2014, 01:10:09 AM
No problems pouring it over acrylic paint. Be careful to build up the layers slowly, not pouring more than a millimeter or so and letting it fully dry between layers.

I got greedy and poured too thick a layer - it dried with a milky effect >:( I had a choice of assuming there had been a chemical factory leak somewhere upstream, or repaint and repour.... I repoured :dunce:
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: Pengi on July 12, 2014, 07:19:36 AM
After research, I went with Magic Water by Unreal Details My experiences are detailed on this thread (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=4249.msg49223#msg49223)

It is over two years since I used it and it has not deteriorated or shrunk in any way.
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: steve836 on July 15, 2014, 11:31:34 AM
Following Pengi's post, I have just ordered a pack of Magic Water, and am in the process of painting with acrylics. Will post a photo when done.
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: n85cs on July 15, 2014, 11:38:05 AM
peter Marriott in model rail is the expert and gives step by step guides
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: Bealman on July 15, 2014, 01:12:24 PM
Yep, you are correct, n85cs.... while we try to be impartial here on the NGF when it comes to model railway publications, the magazine you mention does produce some great "How to" articles and even additional publications in their own right, which are full of hints and tips regarding scenery and water.

Certainly steve836, you may care to take a look before you jump in, so to speak....   :D

Wouldn't want that EZY water stuff settin' around your ankles!  ;)  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: n85cs on July 15, 2014, 01:43:40 PM
try to be impartial but will reply when have 5 minutes sorry bit busy but I have found articles helpful
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: steve836 on July 15, 2014, 04:52:51 PM
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That's the painting done! :thumbsup: :thumbsdown:? Now just waiting for the water. :sleep:
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: n85cs on July 15, 2014, 05:33:24 PM
hope the water / resin etc the mixture has settled
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: Newportnobby on July 15, 2014, 09:27:46 PM
The colour looks good, Steve :thumbsup:
Don't forget a couple of N gauge swans before the magic water sets ;)
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: steve836 on July 15, 2014, 09:49:06 PM
The colour looks good, Steve :thumbsup:
Don't forget a couple of N gauge swans before the magic water sets ;)
On my site visits I didn't see any swans, perhaps a few mallard and some tufted ducks would do instead.
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: steve836 on July 16, 2014, 09:43:39 PM
Have checked Noch's catalogue - no ducks or even swans, perhaps I can pretend a goose is a swan
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: port perran on July 16, 2014, 09:57:02 PM
I've used acrylic paints but covered with several layers of yacht varnish to give an effect of depth .
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: Newportnobby on July 16, 2014, 10:06:09 PM
Have checked Noch's catalogue - no ducks or even swans, perhaps I can pretend a goose is a swan

Maybe a challenge for one of our 3D experts :hmmm:
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: trainsdownunder on July 17, 2014, 01:54:49 AM
Have checked Noch's catalogue - no ducks or even swans, perhaps I can pretend a goose is a swan

Maybe a challenge for one of our 3D experts :hmmm:

We've got pigeons somewhere I seem to remember. Could larger versions become ducks ?
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: Bealman on July 17, 2014, 04:20:59 AM
Have checked Noch's catalogue - no ducks or even swans, perhaps I can pretend a goose is a swan

Maybe a challenge for one of our 3D experts :hmmm:
Could turn out costly, Mick.. all that plastic!  :D
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: Chetcombe on July 17, 2014, 06:19:02 AM
Have checked Noch's catalogue - no ducks or even swans, perhaps I can pretend a goose is a swan


Maybe a challenge for one of our 3D experts :hmmm:

Could turn out costly, Mick.. all that plastic!  :D


Langley Models enter stage right and save the day...

... scroll down the page until you get to:

Waterfowl,Swans & Ducks(Reference #A61), 4 swans and 4 ducks (Unpainted Kit)

http://www.langleymodels.co.uk/acatalog/Shop_Front_Accessories_A35___A65_53.html (http://www.langleymodels.co.uk/acatalog/Shop_Front_Accessories_A35___A65_53.html)

I have some on the river on my layout, to say they are not large objects would be an understatement... blink and you would miss them  :goggleeyes:

Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: scotsoft on July 17, 2014, 03:00:46 PM

We've got pigeons somewhere I seem to remember. Could larger versions become ducks ?


Your pigeons as requested sir  :D

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=20919.msg215527#msg215527 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=20919.msg215527#msg215527)

cheers John.
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: steve836 on July 17, 2014, 08:26:06 PM
The Langley Swans look a lot like geese to me! Still it would be fun to add later. Thanks to all who came up with possible ( or, given my failing eyesight & overscale fingers maybe not) ideas.
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: Pengi on July 18, 2014, 07:12:47 AM
I have experimented with the pigeons - sticking them on the ground, on buildings, spent hours on it. They ended up just look ing like tiny bits of paper :thumbsdown: - unless you have infinite patience to paint and carefully position, then avoid
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: Bealman on July 18, 2014, 07:25:45 AM
Or worse still pigeon droppings or actually probably closer to scale cockatoo droppings, which is what we have to put up with here... get hit by one of those and you know about it, for sure. Time to buy 100 lottery tickets even if you don'tbbelieve in that sort of thing  :D
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: steve836 on July 18, 2014, 09:39:58 PM
I don't think i'll bother with N scale pigeon droppings! :laugh:
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: steve836 on July 20, 2014, 11:50:21 AM
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That's it poured now fingers crossed I've got the levels spot on or there's going to be a horrid mess all over the main line! :worried:
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: Newportnobby on July 20, 2014, 01:44:41 PM
Looks great with the reflections :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: Pengi on July 20, 2014, 10:24:37 PM
Looks really good  :thumbsup: - love the reflections, was that the Magic Water?
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: steve836 on July 21, 2014, 09:56:30 AM
Looks really good  :thumbsup: - love the reflections, was that the Magic Water?
Sure was. Thanks for the tip Pengi.
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: Bealman on July 21, 2014, 11:02:25 AM
That does look good. And your mainline survived!!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: steve836 on July 21, 2014, 11:59:32 AM
That does look good. And your mainline survived!!  :thumbsup:
Yes, blowing my own trumpet a bit I think getting the level to within 3mm over 12ft ain't bad! It did give me an anxious couple of hours though! The booklet says that Magic Water has the consistency of water, it doesn't, its more like warm syrup, so it flows more slowly and,  if my level had been off by more than that, it could have overtopped the banks at some point which would have caused me to use some  :censored: :censored: :censored: words.
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: Newportnobby on July 21, 2014, 12:15:40 PM
Bit like the water skier who looked for a lake with a slope :doh:
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: steve836 on July 28, 2014, 02:33:52 PM
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 After the Cromford Canal I try my hand at the River Derwent.
Not so pleased with this- the water's too smooth. Must get some "Water Effects" and put some ripples on. Oh and that road bridge doesn't look too safe!  The rocks are genuine limestone ,courtesy of the county council highways department-just don't tell them! :-[
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: Pengi on July 28, 2014, 02:57:32 PM
Looks pretty good to me! I've used water effects, you can peel it off the magic water if you make a mistake.
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: Bealman on July 29, 2014, 02:48:51 AM
Yea!! BP! BP!! steve836... you rock!!  :headbang:
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: 1936ace on July 31, 2014, 12:33:02 PM
Inspired by this topic to have a go I picked up the starter kit for next to nothing whilst in Newcastle yesterday. It came with a murky canal sort of coloured paint/sealer, small bottle of the clear water a foam brush and scraper. The scraper is to remove the grass mat(woodland scenic product) so you can make a pond etc.
Bart
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: steve836 on August 03, 2014, 09:06:58 PM
I'm really pleased that this has encouraged Ace to have a go! let us have a butchers at some pics when you've done.
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: zwilnik on August 03, 2014, 10:28:25 PM
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 After the Cromford Canal I try my hand at the River Derwent.
Not so pleased with this- the water's too smooth. Must get some "Water Effects" and put some ripples on. Oh and that road bridge doesn't look too safe!  The rocks are genuine limestone ,courtesy of the county council highways department-just don't tell them! :-[
A bit of cladding might make that bridge look a bit more solid. Possibly use newplas or fimo to cover it with a layer and carve the stone lines with a cocktail stick. Would give it a bit of thickness and fill out the lumpier bits.

That or cut another layer of card/plasticard to layer on top of it in sections and use milliput to smooth and fill gaps.
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: steve836 on August 04, 2014, 09:09:58 AM
Will try that later. At the moment there is so much to do to get the layout any where near complete that I will just have to live with it for now. If I can't save the existing structure I will just replace it.
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: steve836 on August 19, 2014, 05:36:59 PM
on 2nd thoughts, perhaps some painted cracks and scaffolding would add some interest
Title: Re: Woodland scenics water
Post by: Bealman on August 20, 2014, 08:04:32 AM
Oh no, please no. We have a curved viaduct on the line from my place to Sydney here in NSW which looks like that and the train slows down big time.

But the line to Sydney is an ongoing issue here.

In all seriousness, I think that is a great and unusual modelling idea!  :thumbsup:
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