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Title: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on June 13, 2014, 04:20:06 PM
Last post from the Planning section to continue with the construction side.......

Some small works done to see what fits where. It seems (more by luck than judgment) I have enough rubber underlay left to do all the boards :sweat:
All track is just loosely plonked for now :-[

The main station/yard board

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12624.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12624)

Everything without underlay will be scenic - buildings, roads, trees etc.

By dint of using all my spare points (medium & small) I can manage a 6 road fiddle yard with 1 reception road. The roads are relatively small but then so is the layout :D
The plain board are at the back of the fiddle yard will be used for such things as servicing locos, rolling road and general running (or in my case, limping) repairs

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12623.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12623)

Continuing.............

Track is now pinned down. I did have some small concern about joining the track at the joints between the 3 baseboards but, in the end, just laid track across them and cut with my trusty Xurons :)
Basic electrics have been accomplished with each board connected to the others via plug in choc block and feeds made with pre soldered rail joiners (told you I was keeping it simple :D)
Baseboards are connected using 10mm bullet alignment dowels and sprung catches sourced from Station Road Baseboards http://www.stationroadbaseboards.co.uk/cart_dowels.htm (http://www.stationroadbaseboards.co.uk/cart_dowels.htm)

This afternoon I connected the 3 boards up on the lounge floor and (this will shock those who know me) I actually ran some trains ::) However, there was method in this particular form of madness in that I wanted to see if all ran OK over the rail gaps between the boards (yes :claphappy:) and also to mark out positions for magnets as I intend to use Dapol Easi-Shunts. I'm not too bothered about delayed uncoupling, but it would be a Brucie Bonus if I can get 'em to work.

The entry line into the station is just long enough to hold a Sulzer Type 2 with 2 Mark 1's which enables the loco to detach, run round, and recouple. 2/3 coach green worms will obviously be OK.
Despite the track hardly being what could be termed 'clean', excellent slow running was obtained from my venerable Gaugemaster D with the aforesaid Type 2 and my Drewry 0-6-0 diesel shunter - which was nice.

I still have to source some form of height adjustable supports for the baseboards as, I have to admit, grovelling around on the lounge floor has not done my 14 week old hip much good. I will, of course, be improving the electrics a little and fitting point motors. The decision has swung back towards Seeps as the Cobalts are just too 'deep' in my opinion.
All buildings will be Metcalfe (platform, station, goods shed and loco shed) so as to retain the same scaling. I have yet to buy the new stone single road loco shed and still have no reply from Metcalfe if they will be releasing their goods shed in stone rather than brick.

More news as it comes off the teleprinter................................
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on June 13, 2014, 04:37:22 PM
At least you have some track down and things running.
Will it be finished by next week? or are you taking your time.
I guess your biggest problem for now is finding  supports for it.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: davieb on June 13, 2014, 04:52:24 PM
That's coming along nicely Mick  :thumbsup:

I sent a PM to Mick yesterday regarding one possibility for the supports  :hmmm:
That is using plywood cut to sixe then joined by cutting slots in the ply to half depth
Then they just slot together to form a stand and then packed away when not in use  :hmmm:

Here's a pic to give you an idea of what I am talking about

(http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee398/davieb68/possiblesolutionforlayout_zps4b285b0a.jpg) (http://s1225.photobucket.com/user/davieb68/media/possiblesolutionforlayout_zps4b285b0a.jpg.html)

These are 4ft x 18 x 18 fish tanks so they are plenty strong enough and stable
And can be made to any size you wish

 :beers:

dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on June 30, 2014, 12:30:29 PM
6mm ply has been used for the backscene and boxing and at a suitable point in the future the boxing will be stained with woodstain (duh) and probably varnished - gotta make it look good :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/thumb_13580.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13580)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/thumb_13581.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13581)

I have the iD Backscenes Series 208 'Hills and Dales' to apply. These come in 2 pieces 5ft long x 9" high and so each piece will wrap round the 'L' shapes of both scenic boards.
My thinking is that the centre scenic board will give me the biggest headache as the idea is the exit from the fiddle yard will pass under a bridge carrying a farm track, onto an embankment, pass over a road (plate girder bridge) and proceed into the station area.
As such, there will be much contouring required, and I am going to try a previously used method of aviary mesh (see below) covered with layers of kitchen roll soaked in filla/water solution which can be very messy but dries to a hard surface which can be drilled for trees, telegraph poles etc.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/thumb_13582.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13582)

(before some wag - Scotsoft!!! - says anything, no, I do not have bars on my windows :no:)

The observant among you no doubt spotted a Gaugemaster controller so I confess to running a class 33/Jinty/Class 121 while I had the boards together - well, it would be rude not to even if none of these will appear on the layout :D

Thanks for looking and please let me know if you can envisage any flaws in my plans :worried:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Only Me on June 30, 2014, 12:31:39 PM
I always wondered what happened to my old Nans rug :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: davieb on June 30, 2014, 12:39:20 PM
Looking good Mick  :thumbsup:

Looking forward to seeing progress with the scenic side of things  :hmmm:
The way you have described it to me it should look impressive  :thumbsup:

dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Dock Shunter on June 30, 2014, 12:48:29 PM
Really looking forward to seeing you get stuck into the scenics Mick...... :thumbsup:
Great job so far.... :thumbsup:

 :beers:...Ste..... :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: scotsoft on June 30, 2014, 01:16:49 PM
Really looking forward to seeing you get stuck into the scenics Mick...... :thumbsup:


There is every possibility of that given his quote:

Quote
covered with layers of kitchen roll soaked in filla/water solution which can be very messy

 :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:

cheers John.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Malc on June 30, 2014, 01:36:47 PM
Starting to look good Mick. Which show will be its first outing? I will need to get the tickets if it is being shown at Warley.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on June 30, 2014, 04:21:14 PM
Looks like you've made a great start.
Don't forget to rest that hip operation. Take things slow and easy (as your always telling me  :P )
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on July 09, 2014, 03:25:39 PM
A bit more done to the centre scenic board. The idea is a road passes in an 'S' bend under the railway and then proceeds to the station (next board). Meanwhile the railway line exits the fiddle yard, passes under a bridge carrying a farm track, and then proceeds along an embankment then onto the station board.
Here's a view from the station board............

 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/thumb_13817.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13817)

This one gives a better view of the road passing under the line............

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/thumb_13816.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13816)

Some of you may have recognised my trusty Beldray work bench :laugh:

Attempts yesterday to create the contours of the land using the aviary mesh were not particularly successful so I am now considering a weave of cardboard covered with the kitchen roll/plaster mix method. This also means I have to eat a lot of Shreddies (my favourite cereal). Deep joy :D

It never fails to astound me how a few hours can just disappear for half of bugger all result :confused2: :wave:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Malc on July 09, 2014, 04:02:00 PM
You can use any type of cardboard. I used boxes that the supermarket provided for you to pack groceries home. Covered it with strips of an old bed sheet dipped in emulsion paint. The only drawback was the paint was pinkoff white, so I needed several coats of green/brown paint to cover it. The paint sets like rock. I put more strips on after the first lot dried. You can drill holes in it for wires or plant trees.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on July 09, 2014, 05:30:09 PM
Thanks, Malc :thumbsup:

You can use any type of cardboard.

What? And put all those grannies who knit my Shreddies out of work? :o
No way, José :no: :angel:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on July 09, 2014, 06:05:41 PM
Looking very good nobby
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Caz on July 09, 2014, 06:41:00 PM
Looking good Mick but a bit disappointed I can't see any rubber or pink ballast.   :-X
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Geoff on July 09, 2014, 07:07:44 PM
Nice work Mick keep up the good work.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: scotsoft on July 09, 2014, 07:24:06 PM

Some of you may have recognised my trusty Beldray work bench :laugh:


Very spooky, I have exactly the same work bench including the cover  :o

Although you would not think so if you saw my shirts  :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on July 09, 2014, 07:51:06 PM
Love the sweeping curves of the road. This is going to be a good  project  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Malc on July 09, 2014, 10:55:37 PM
What? And put all those grannies who knit my Shreddies out of work? :o
No way, José :no: :angel:
who are these grannies that knit your underpants?
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on July 10, 2014, 03:58:22 AM
I wouldn't worry about Caz' comments too much, Mick  :-X the layout is coming along nicely.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on July 10, 2014, 10:30:42 AM
Looking good Mick but a bit disappointed I can't see any rubber or pink ballast.   :-X

So what is that funny black stuff under the track? :P
I haven't got round to ballasting yet ;)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on July 10, 2014, 10:58:45 AM
Over to you Caz... starting to think I'm pleased I never got to the Conwy show.... ;D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on July 15, 2014, 03:47:37 PM
Having said from the outset this layout was to make mistakes (and get 'em out of the way), hone my skills and report successes/failures which may help others, I turned my attention to the middle scenic board and the creation of the scenic webbing to be covered with kitchen roll soaked in a water/filler solution. Silly me tried to get away with using the solid sheet of aviary mesh but I just couldn't find an easy(ish) way so experimented with cardboard strips. Mildly successful, methinks.........

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/thumb_14034.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14034)

Not being totally happy with it, I experimented more with the mesh and think it will give a better result..........

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/thumb_14032.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14032)

The last pic doesn't really show the great variety of contours so hopefully this one will show it in a better light.......

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/thumb_14033.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14033)

You'll notice I had to give the hardboard road some medical attention :doh: :-[

I am far happier with the mesh so will attempt to replace the card formers with mesh, the only hazards being frequently punctured by ends of wire and trying not to staple myself to the baseboard :ouch:

Any comments/questions welcome :wave:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on July 15, 2014, 04:03:57 PM
To my simple mind the cardboard knitting seems to take curves better than the wire mesh in this instance. I`m sure your get it right one way or another. Its certainly taking shape though. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on July 15, 2014, 04:11:19 PM
You'll notice I had to give the hardboard road some medical attention :doh: :-[

Yeah I n oticed it has a band aid  :D
It's looking good though.
I'm watching this with interest as I have to do something similar on my two end (return) modules.......and don't really know where to start!
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Caz on July 15, 2014, 05:31:18 PM
After stabbing myself a couple of times trying to use mesh I opted for the easy option and used polystyrene foam.  I used a mixture of the 2 inch thick boards of foam suitable shaped and the spray foam, although if you use spray foam you only need to spray less than half of what you eventually what you want to end up with at it seriously expands.   :-[
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on July 15, 2014, 09:25:09 PM
I did consider expandable spray foam to fill tricky spaces but decided I'd just end up with a complete winter layout :uneasy:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Malc on July 15, 2014, 11:13:05 PM
Forget the kitchen roll soaked in weak filler. Use some strips off an old cotton t shirt or sheet and lashings of emulsion. Soggy kitchen towel tends to fall to bits when you  pick it up.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on July 16, 2014, 12:35:45 AM
Good advice, Malc. I'm also with jonclox in that I've always found card strips easier to work with than wire. I reckon you can control contours better. I certainly wouldn't be replacing them... they look fine to me.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Tom U on July 16, 2014, 02:44:51 AM
The wire mesh part reminds me of those pictures that try to explain (unsuccessfully in my case) Einstein's 'gravity warps space' or 'gravity is space warped by mass' or whatever ;)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on July 16, 2014, 02:53:51 AM
OMG... the whole layout might get sucked into a black hole!

But then Mick would have to rename it after the town I grew up in...  :uneasy:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on July 22, 2014, 05:40:10 PM
Quick update.
Centre board now covered with aviary mesh.
Suitable 'bath' for filla sourced (old biscuit tin)
4 rolls plain white kitchen roll and the filla now in stock chez moi.

Need to visit B & Q tomorrow (old sods discount day ;)) so can anyone suggest the best shade of green emulsion to purchase based on their own experience, as I don't want anything too vivid or washed out? It's only for base coat before application of scatters, trees, foliage etc.
 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: DCCDave on July 22, 2014, 06:25:03 PM
can anyone suggest the best shade of green emulsion to purchase based on their own experience, as I don't want anything too vivid or washed out? It's only for base coat before application of scatters, trees, foliage etc.

Have you thought of using brown Mick. I've been able to get some pretty yucky shades of muck brown cheaply.

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Caz on July 22, 2014, 06:41:48 PM
I used cheap children's poster paint, 1 euro for a small pot, the one pot did all my scenery plaster/kitchen towel mix.  I found brown the best bet as it looks like earth if the plaster chips.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: scotsoft on July 22, 2014, 06:52:07 PM
I would have thought brown would be better and if B&Q have tester paint pots on offer you could get a few shades of brown as the earth/ ground is not a uniform colour.  You could even have patches of green which would help give you different shades when you plough the fields with scatter  :D

cheers John.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: port perran on July 22, 2014, 08:58:20 PM
I've gone for medium grey as a base coat on Trepol Bay. This will work well under track and I can add a further coat on top in areas that will be grassland etc
As John says, don't be uniform with your colours as in real life, little is uniform.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on July 22, 2014, 09:10:11 PM
Thanks, folks.
Looks like brown it is, then :thumbsup:

 :NGF:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on July 23, 2014, 05:42:57 AM
Yep, definitely brown. Used it on the Beal & castle Eden and have been very happy with it. The earth under real grass is not green anyway.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: A.Carter (BiG-T) on July 23, 2014, 07:15:49 AM
As with Caz I use brown & green poster paints which can be picked up cheap at Hobbycraft or The Range.
I find it mixes well in plaster to colour it and dries quickly.
I try and vary the base colour green under grass, brown on vertical faces so if any base colour shows through it is not to obvious but on vertical faces it can look like land slip.

Tony
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on August 08, 2014, 02:58:21 PM
Having been shamed by Only Me into showing pics of the aviary wire/kitchen roll method of constructing fields, embankments etc here are the results after 2 layers. It doesn't look too good but I have applied another layer today and it's getting better. Just need to trim away any excess when it's dried (which takes a good 48 hours between layers).
The road will require cleaning up with a damp cloth too :-[
When it is to my satisfaction I'll seal it with a thinned PVA mix and then paint it brown with some match pot emulsions. Then I can apply more PVA and then the scatter goes down. There will be plenty of bushes, trees, fencing, farm animals, road vehicles etc.
Hopefully it will look a lot better by end of next week...................maybe :hmmm:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/thumb_14553.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14553)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/thumb_14554.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14554)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Tom U on August 08, 2014, 03:36:37 PM
I see snow has come early this year  :sorrysign:  :greatpicturessign:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on August 08, 2014, 03:55:11 PM
That's going to look ok I recon
Simple but effective. Now might be a good time to plant your grass seed  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: davieb on August 08, 2014, 07:32:54 PM
Looking good so far Mick  :thumbsup:

If you need any Rockwork along the embankment I may have a few bits hanging around  :whistle:

 :beers:

dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Only Me on August 08, 2014, 07:47:49 PM
Lol looking good  Mick you can view my chicken wire eacapades on my rmweb thread :) .... I have found this stuff to be the dogs danglies for finishing hills etc, dries rock hard... I slap it on and then wet it and smooth it with my hand!!  Give it a few days to dry and gently sand if required!!

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

Looks like this!!

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=20578.msg239230#msg239230 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=20578.msg239230#msg239230)

Oh and i've found if you put flock or paint it doesn't fall off or crumble like other filler does!
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Sprintex on August 09, 2014, 10:57:45 AM
Looks fine so far to me Mick :thumbsup:

rmweb thread

If you continue to 'swear' on here we'll have to start censoring your posts :P


Paul
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: smileyjon on August 09, 2014, 10:38:05 PM
I have a garden FULL of stones and rocks . . . loverly colours too.  They'd look lovely on your layout.  I could post some.

Anyway . . looking good and thank you for correcting my Beyer-garratt spelling error

Off to fit the storm-boards   :wave:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on August 10, 2014, 01:47:22 AM
I'm surprised to see it white!? I always mixed the paint into the plaster mix so it didn't need painting....?  :uneasy:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on August 10, 2014, 09:33:05 AM
I want to seal it all with diluted PVA before painting it brown, George :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on August 10, 2014, 09:48:19 AM
Forgive old fashioned me, but why? What's that do?
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Greybeema on August 10, 2014, 10:16:12 AM
Plaster can form very fine dust which is not good for small motors.  PVA binds these in.  As would paint I guess..  I think it also gives the plaster a slightly plastic effect making it harder to damage..

Just use diluted PVA in the plaster mix...
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on August 10, 2014, 10:44:19 AM
Forgive me for being a dinosaur, but I would think a PVA coating would make groundfoam hard to stick down? If you're sticking it down with PVA on top, isn't that goin to dissolve the PVA underneath anyway?

I don't believe in work for the sake of work, and I'm not sure this is over the top.

It is a new technique, I guess.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on August 10, 2014, 01:25:54 PM
Greybeema has it spot on regarding the fine dust that filler can produce so the PVA is not just to act as a sealant but also as a primer for the emulsion.
I'm not sure about sticking foliage down with PVA on top of PVA but as I said from the start, this small layout is for experimenting so any successes/failures/disasters can be weeded out before transfer of the method to the main layout :uneasy:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Malc on August 10, 2014, 02:35:25 PM
If you are going to paint it anyway, emulsion paint won't stick to PVA, unless it has soaked into the plaster. Just paint it.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on August 10, 2014, 02:40:13 PM
If you are going to paint it anyway, emulsion paint won't stick to PVA, unless it has soaked into the plaster. Just paint it.
Emulsion is as good a sealer as PVA anyway.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on August 16, 2014, 12:30:11 PM
OK - I mixed the brown emulsion test posts with the final coat of filler/water solution. It dried somewhat lighter than it looked when I'd mixed it, but it's all going to be covered anyway.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_14887.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14887)

To apply the base scatter aka Woodland Scenics Fine Turf, I found a shaker for a £1 and it's great for applying any fine stuff.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_14890.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14890)

I applied the dark grass first, then highlighted it with some yellow grass and topped it all off with a spray of WS Scenic Cement. This supposedly has a wetting agent and also has a capillary action, but I still reckon a PVA/water solution would do just as well :hmmm:
It looks in the pic as if I have left some base colour showing but that's the yellow grass.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_14889.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14889)

Next I used the same shaker but without the top to apply a few patches of coarse dark turf.
This will also be highlighted with light coarse grass, then another spray of the Scenic Cement.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_14888.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14888)

Still lots to do in the way of bushes, hedgerows, trees, fencing etc but it's getting there.
The road has become a bit messed up but I'll give it a good clean off with a wet toothbrush. Likewise the track will need unpinning and giving a good clean. If it turns out to be no good I'll just replace it with another length.

Thanks for staying with it so far.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on August 16, 2014, 12:35:07 PM
NOW it's happening, buddy! Starting to look the part. Triple thumbs up from me.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on August 16, 2014, 01:18:25 PM
Looking very nice Mick
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on August 16, 2014, 01:58:29 PM
Looks quite good. The grass has certainly shown up the contours and settled down well :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: ScottyStitch on August 16, 2014, 03:36:29 PM
Looking good, NN. Keep up the good work now it's starting to bear fruit. or bare fruit............
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Caz on August 16, 2014, 05:28:03 PM
You must be well pleased you are getting somewhere at last and it is actually starting to look like a railway and once you get the hedges and trees it is going to look great, well done that man.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on August 16, 2014, 05:28:38 PM
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_14890.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14890[/url])


Looks like some bizarre green cappuccino  :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: smileyjon on August 16, 2014, 05:53:00 PM
Better start making them thar trees . . . a 70 foot oak would be 5 1/2 inches and a 100 foot conifer 8 inches high.

Can't wait . . hoo hoo !

 :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on August 16, 2014, 09:00:49 PM
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_14890.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14890[/url])


Looks like some bizarre green cappuccino  :goggleeyes:


Green tea, anyone? :sick2: :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: davieb on August 16, 2014, 10:24:40 PM
The layout is looking great  :thumbsup:

Are you going to use the Seafoam trees you got last year  :hmmm:

dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: scotsoft on August 16, 2014, 10:35:49 PM
Are you going to use the Seafoam trees you got last year  :hmmm:

dave  :thumbsup:

They have more than likely been put somewhere safe and you know what that means  :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:

cheers John.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: davieb on August 16, 2014, 10:42:33 PM

They have more than likely been put somewhere safe and you know what that means  :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:

cheers John.

Only too well  :hmmm:
Been busy all night trying to find some taps to go with an external fish tank filter that I have promised to give to a friend  :doh:  :-[

dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on August 17, 2014, 04:38:46 PM
I know exactly where the Seafoam trees are so obviously didn't put them in a safe place :P :D

Thought I had a disaster on my hands this morning as the 'coarse turf' applied over the 'fine turf' just hasn't stuck. I had visions of upending the board and all the greenery just sliding off :o :doh:
However, the fine stuff seems to have stuck down pretty well :sweat:
Just why the coarse turf hasn't adhered to the fine turf I have no idea as I've followed the Youtube video to the letter (apply a spray of Scenic Cement after each layer of greenery has been put down) and it has had 24 hours to set ???

Unless anyone can come up with something better it looks like a diluted PVA spray is forthcoming :help:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Malc on August 17, 2014, 06:30:23 PM
I've heard that hair spray can be used to good effect on getting greenery to stay put. It never worked with Bobby Charlton, but maybe worth a try.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Lawrence on August 17, 2014, 07:33:16 PM
Little blobs of neat pva will keep the course turf down either or that or soak it with a dilute spray, this does make it go rock hard though
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on August 17, 2014, 09:43:42 PM
I've heard that hair spray can be used to good effect on getting greenery to stay put. It never worked with Bobby Charlton, but maybe worth a try.

Thanks, Malc. I'll ask Bealman what he uses alongside his Brut :-X

Little blobs of neat pva will keep the course turf down either or that or soak it with a dilute spray, this does make it go rock hard though

Gordon Bennett, Lawrence :o
If you'd seen how many little pieces of that went down you'd never suggest gluing each of the little perishers :no: The dilute spray is what I'm tending to at the moment as it's the look of the coarse turf I'm after rather than the touchy feely effect ;)
I just wondered if there was summat a bit better than diluted PVA. Thanks anyway :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on August 17, 2014, 11:10:20 PM
Nowt like a drop of superglue to hold a toupee in place, and when used with Brut, you can't smell the glue. The Brut is, of course, optional, as some may prefer the smell of the glue.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on September 02, 2014, 03:52:28 PM
Update.

I decided the original green turf was too dark so have gone over it again with yellow turf and think it's a vast improvement..............

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15470.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15470)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15471.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15471)

Having used the Peco fine brown weathered ballast (PS-315) glued with the usual mix of PVA/water/washing up liquid, I've given it a blast of Railmatch sleeper grime (1406) and, although it was darker than I thought, I am actually quite pleased with the effect.........

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15468.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15468)

The contrast in colours can be better seen in this view.........

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15469.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15469)

Whilst the Railmatch spray is good it is very easy to overspray and I have small patches of grass coloured brown but will eventually hide that completely with bushes.

The only failure so far is the road which was a shaped piece of hardboard matt side up. I was originally thinking of just painting it grey but found some fine grey N scale ballast and laid that using the same glue mix as the ballast. Sadly it has dried very dark and the grey ballast itself is way too coarse :doh:

I'm going to leave it as it is for now and see what the overall effect is like when the board has been completed with other bits of scenery (girder plate road bridge, hedges, trees, fencing etc) :hmmm:

Any comments (good or bad) would be appreciated as this is just a tester for the 'Big One' (Kimbolted).

 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on September 02, 2014, 04:01:05 PM
 :goggleeyes: It certainly looks 'rural' in fact it looks very good  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bob Tidbury on September 02, 2014, 04:32:51 PM
Hi I use 300 grade wet& dry paper for my roads cut it to shape & glue down with neat PVA you need to pin it down well with track pins otherwise it curls up as it dries, when dry if you want an old looking road you can rub over it very gently with your finger not to hard or you will loose a lot of skin then you can stick fresh bits off paper over the top to represent trenches and brown splodges to represent potholes hope this all makes sense will show you photos at TINGS.
The cheapest place to buy it is Wilkinsons if you have one near you  .
Bob
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: smileyjon on September 02, 2014, 04:56:30 PM
The green stuff is looking very good Nobby.  Nice work   ;)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: port perran on September 02, 2014, 08:58:14 PM
Yes, I agree, looking good.  Very.......English!
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on September 02, 2014, 09:02:28 PM
Quite remarkable to get to this stage in a couple of months - well done!
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on September 02, 2014, 09:38:27 PM
Hi I use 300 grade wet& dry paper for my roads cut it to shape & glue down with neat PVA

Thanks Bob, but I'm literally stuck with it now :doh:
I'll see if I can find some really, really fine stuff I can give it a surface coating with. I did find, however, that even using a small hypodeemic nerdle (without the nerdle though) to apply the glue mix that it was like depth charging the road and craters appeared, so I'll need to find a way of 'misting' whatever I use :help:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Sprintex on September 02, 2014, 09:46:28 PM
I used one of these for pre-misting my ballast with water prior to dribbling the glue mix on, might work for your purpose? ;)

http://www.boots.com/en/Boots-Travel-Spray-Bottle-50ml_1228699/?cm_mmc=pla-_-google-_-PLAs-_-Boots+Shopping+-+All+Products (http://www.boots.com/en/Boots-Travel-Spray-Bottle-50ml_1228699/?cm_mmc=pla-_-google-_-PLAs-_-Boots+Shopping+-+All+Products)


Paul
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on September 02, 2014, 09:49:58 PM
Thanks, Paul.
I'll get one and try it as I'm sure it will be OK with a 50/50 mix :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on September 02, 2014, 10:16:44 PM
Couldn't you use a sanding block to remove the stuff from the road (have the vacuum with you)?

Just a thought...

George
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Malc on September 03, 2014, 10:29:50 AM
If the problem is blasting the ballast away with the hypo, why not put the glue mix down first?  When I am ballasting in between lines, I spread the glue mix with a bit of old credit card, then sprinkle the ballast. When dry Hoover the surplus off.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on September 03, 2014, 10:35:49 AM
Wot, you have an old credit card? They take mine off me when they cancel it  :-[
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: smileyjon on September 03, 2014, 10:50:32 AM
Please keep this discussion going chaps . . .

I'm hoping to learn something.

I've lots of old credit cards . . . replaced misplaced (not lost) ones  :)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bob Tidbury on September 03, 2014, 10:54:47 AM
What's a credit card .???  Val has mentioned something about one but won't let me even see one.
Bob
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Only Me on September 03, 2014, 10:58:27 AM
My method to lay the ballast, mix up a 60/40 water to EVO Stick (green bottle PVA from wickes)  I've tried all other PVA's and this is the best IMO... not cheap mind.... five or six drops of washing up liquid (fairy - others don't seem to work as well)and then mix together with a stick or something similar.  Once mixed I just pippet it out onto the dry ballast a small amount at a time.  It soaks in nicely and once dry is hard as nails.  the trick is not to "Over Water" your ballast when doing this and you get a nice even spread then without the ballast "floating" all over the place.  Once dry I spray with Track grime / sleeper grime to give a dark effect.  I always paint my rails first with dark rust before laying the ballast
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on September 03, 2014, 11:01:03 AM
Back on track.  :thumbsup: Now ya gonna fix the road, Mick? :D

George
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on September 03, 2014, 11:25:42 AM
As PVA is water soluble, surely you could wet the road, leave it a little while, then scrape it off?
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: PostModN66 on September 03, 2014, 03:36:13 PM
Hi Mick,

Another idea to fix your road is to spread a layer of "No More Nails" or similar adhesive (over the existing ballast to save having to scrape it off).  If you apply it very carefully, trying to get as flat an effect as possible, it comes out nicely "imperfect".   You can then paint it to taste.

The paved surface on "Horseblock Lane" was done this way:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/58/thumb_5459.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=5459)

Cheers  Jon :)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on September 03, 2014, 09:04:06 PM
Thanks for all the kind suggestions, all.
Firstly - I have no problems with the glue mix as it worked just fine and the road is rock solid :thumbsup:
Secondly - I really don't want to soak the existing 'coarse' road surface off as it only sits on hardboard and I could end up with a horribly soggy base for the road :worried:
Thirdly - the ballast I am looking for would be so fine that anything other than a light misting (eye dropper, pipette etc) would still create bomb craters in the road :doh: I think the misting idea is just fine as it doesn't matter what receives any overspray and it would give a fine mist that won't blast the road to bits :)
Fourthly - it's true I could apply another glue base and sift some fine ballast onto it but (a) I still have to find said fine stuff and (b) although I have asked what folks use stuffed up the vacuum nozzle to collect any surplus there have been no replies. Despite what others may say, I do not have access to stockings/tights (but at least I got the order of them right, eh boys?) :laugh3:
Please don't stop the suggestions. I will get there :)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: smileyjon on September 03, 2014, 10:08:57 PM
No idea just following this thread with interest . . . . and I certainly wouldn't wish a soggy bottom on you  :moony:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: scotsoft on September 04, 2014, 10:40:24 AM
(b) although I have asked what folks use stuffed up the vacuum nozzle to collect any surplus there have been no replies.

You could use an old hanky or vest over the nozzle and unless you have fallen foul of the latest Brussels direcctive, your vacuum cleaner should have enough suction to be effective  ;)

cheers John,

p.s. I did hear on the news that they are going to ban high powered hair driers.
At least that is one directive you may ignore  :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on September 04, 2014, 11:15:06 AM
(b) although I have asked what folks use stuffed up the vacuum nozzle to collect any surplus there have been no replies.

You could use an old hanky or vest over the nozzle and unless you have fallen foul of the latest Brussels direcctive, your vacuum cleaner should have enough suction to be effective  ;)


I don't use hankies (ever tried washing them :sick2:) and have no vests so it looks like I'm forced to use a pair of my prized tweed underdungees.


p.s. I did hear on the news that they are going to ban high powered hair driers.
At least that is one directive you may ignore  :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:

It's as well I'm not easily hurt :'(
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: smileyjon on September 04, 2014, 02:19:22 PM
Nylon Knickers Nobby . . . . . . ooops  :-[
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Caz on September 04, 2014, 08:02:12 PM
If you are too embarrassed to buy tights, buy either pop socks or knee highs as they come in similar deniers.  If you can even face that, I'll pop a new pair in the post to you.  ;)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on September 04, 2014, 09:03:57 PM
Nylon Knickers Nobby . . . . . . ooops  :-[

I'm not using static grass, Jon :no: :D

If you are too embarrassed to buy tights, buy either pop socks or knee highs as they come in similar deniers.  If you can't even face that, I'll pop a new pair in the post to you.  ;)

Thanks Caz - but no doubt my Mum will have something I can use :hmmm:
You and I would never get any peace if you start sending me items of hosiery :worried: :-[
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: davieb on September 04, 2014, 09:15:48 PM

You and I would never get any peace if you start sending me items of hosiery :worried: :-[

I am now getting really worried about you Mick  :worried:

dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on September 04, 2014, 09:20:48 PM

You and I would never get any peace if you start sending me items of hosiery :worried: :-[

I am now getting really worried about you Mick  :worried:

dave  :thumbsup:

See you at Accrington on Sunday, Dave.
We can pray for our soles :-X
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: davieb on September 04, 2014, 09:24:52 PM
 :laughabovepost:  :laughabovepost:  :laughabovepost:  :laughabovepost:

Not the first time that has been mentioned tonight is it  :smiley-laughing:  :smiley-laughing:  :smiley-laughing:

dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on September 04, 2014, 09:27:36 PM
:laughabovepost:  :laughabovepost:  :laughabovepost:  :laughabovepost:

Not the first time that has been mentioned tonight is it  :smiley-laughing:  :smiley-laughing:  :smiley-laughing:

dave  :thumbsup:

Drat and double drat. Phone tapping is meant to be illegal :worried:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on September 04, 2014, 09:40:13 PM
:laughabovepost:  :laughabovepost:  :laughabovepost:  :laughabovepost:

 Phone tapping is meant to be illegal
That only applies if you get caught  ::)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: davieb on September 04, 2014, 09:45:11 PM
:laughabovepost:  :laughabovepost:  :laughabovepost:  :laughabovepost:

Not the first time that has been mentioned tonight is it  :smiley-laughing:  :smiley-laughing:  :smiley-laughing:

dave  :thumbsup:

Drat and double drat. Phone tapping is meant to be illegal :worried:

Busted once again  :smiley-laughing:  :smiley-laughing:  >:D


And before anyone wonders what we are going on about  :uneasy:
On Sunday at my Grandson's christening, as I was getting out of the car
I caught the sole of my shoe under the clutch pedal
That caused the sole to come away from the toe end to nearly half way down
I was walking round like I had a fin on the bottom of my foot   :-[  :smiley-laughing:  :smiley-laughing:

dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on September 04, 2014, 10:01:27 PM
That caused the sole to come away from the toe end to nearly half way down
I was walking round like I had a fin on the bottom of my foot   :-[  :smiley-laughing:  :smiley-laughing:

I had something similar happen more years ago than I care to remember when my first son was born.
Rushing up the hospital steps I tripped on one and half tore my sole off.
The nurses thought it was hilarious when they had to fit me with those funny little sterile overshoe thingies so that I could go into the delivery theatre!
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on September 05, 2014, 09:57:26 AM
What Dave hasn't revealed is that he caught his 6" heel on the car door sill and that's why his sole came apart :laugh: >:D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on September 05, 2014, 10:51:07 AM
You bunch of idiots. Get back on topic.... which, I believe is about Beltchin'  :sick2: :pint:

And I'm still waitin' to see what happened to the road, by the way.

George
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on September 05, 2014, 12:14:32 PM
Why can I never find the Hitler emoticon when I need one  :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: davieb on September 05, 2014, 05:41:53 PM
What Dave hasn't revealed is that he caught his 6" heel on the car door sill and that's why his sole came apart :laugh: >:D

Oi...............That bit was supposed to be secret  :smiley-laughing:  :smiley-laughing:

dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on October 09, 2014, 07:40:48 PM
Having been disappointed with the first road surface (the ballast I used seemed to swell up when wetted and became an awful lot darker than it should have been)........

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15469.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15469)

.........I tried a covering of Gaugemaster GM116 grey tarmac ballast which, I'm pleased to say, remained light grey after wetting with the usual PVA/water/washing up liquid applied with a misting bottle.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/39/thumb_17080.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=17080)

It still causes me a concern as it is not all that fine and, rather than normal track ballast, seems to be either shavings or something of a similar ilk as it has a 'feathery' look.
I think it's going to have to do the job, though.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/39/thumb_17079.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=17079)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: smileyjon on October 09, 2014, 07:51:05 PM
What no cat's eyes  :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on October 09, 2014, 08:18:07 PM
What no cat's eyes  :D

Shhhhh
I'm collecting moggies at the moment but don't tell anyone else :zippedmouth: :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: davieb on October 09, 2014, 08:46:57 PM
Looking good Mick  :thumbsup:

Much better than before

dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jd on October 09, 2014, 09:35:00 PM
Looks better then before Mick.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: scotsoft on October 09, 2014, 10:14:00 PM
I am really sorry to say it looks way too rough for a road surface in my eyes Mick.

Do you have a car or other vehicle you could place on the road surface and take a picture to gauge what that looks like?

Again, I am sorry for being so negative but it just does not look like any road surface I have seen  :(

cheers John.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: port perran on October 10, 2014, 08:44:25 AM
Looks better than before Mick but I too feel it looks too rough.
Just a suggestion........cardboard (cereal packet type) cut to shape then smear a very (and it must be very) thin layer of grout onto it. When thoroughly dry sand off any lumpy bits (which you will get unless you are really careful) then paint an appropriate colour.
Glue it in place  then add foliage material or whatever (eg paving) right on the edge to bed it into the surrounding scenery.
Works for me and doesn't look either too rough or completely unreal like a printed road section would appear.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bob Tidbury on October 10, 2014, 08:52:12 AM
Sand it down with very course sandpaper on a wooden block, then Ive got a feeling I said before I use 300 grade Wet&Dry sanding sheets glued down with PVA You can make this look how you want by rubbing it with things such as a rag or a bit of card even your finger all give a diferant end result .Look in my Album and you will see what I mean.
Bob
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on October 10, 2014, 09:37:16 AM
Just had a quick look Mick... it's way too coarse. Sorry!

George

Just try a nice smooth polyfilla road?
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on October 10, 2014, 09:38:39 AM
Thanks All,

I agree it looks rough :-[
Bear in mind the close up pic was taken at about 1" distance on macro setting. It doesn't look so bad at a distance :-\
Problem is, I now have 2 layers of ballast on the hardboard road base and cannot lift the hardboard without destroying much of this board :doh:
If I try to soak the ballast off I'll probably make more mess than leaving it as it is :worried:
If I add more layers the headroom under the road bridge gets smaller - just as well I'm not planning any double decker buses.
I'll try and dig out a vehicle and take a pic
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on October 10, 2014, 09:41:34 AM
Increase incline up to bridge?  :confused2:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on October 10, 2014, 05:19:42 PM
I would have thought that a very sharp broad chisel would get it off cleanly if need be mate.
I've removed mistakes on mine that way.....(shoved, not hit with a hammer  :D )
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Caz on October 10, 2014, 06:19:50 PM
How about dampening it down with water to soften the PVA glue, if you are worried about the water running everywhere use some plasticine or blue tack to build a dam along the roadside. 
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: smileyjon on October 10, 2014, 06:58:59 PM
It all sounds too complicated . . . Nobbynoo's leave it alone and wear your oldest specks.  Or failing that, never stand too close  :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on October 10, 2014, 09:38:03 PM
I believe I may have enough offcuts of rubber from the bedmain layout to revert to plan C and make the road from it, stuck down with whatever glue works.
In hindsight I should have done this from the start but, hey, I did say this small layout was for experimenting with 'stuff' ;)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: port perran on October 10, 2014, 09:42:29 PM
Hope it works for you.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on October 11, 2014, 09:41:57 AM
I did say this small layout was for experimenting with 'stuff' ;)
That's half the fun of it
1st prove it doesn't/wont work
2nd find a way that will make it work out
3rd tell everybody that the final result is the proper way to do things and its what you were aiming at the whole time
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on October 11, 2014, 12:36:04 PM
4th insist that there were no 1st and 2nd and that you got it right first time  :o
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on October 17, 2014, 01:10:40 PM
Bletchford now has a black rubber road and I'll experiment with various shades of grey acrylic (no - I haven't got 50) to see if I can capture the look of a country road. N gauge horse dung, anyone?
I should have done this in the first place :doh: but it's a learning curve for me and maybe others :D

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/38/thumb_17476.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=17476)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on October 17, 2014, 01:36:41 PM
Hmmm...looks "Fifty shades darker" to me  :bounce:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bob Tidbury on October 17, 2014, 01:54:30 PM
Will the rubber take paint ,and was it left over from one of your other ! hobbies ! ,the mind boggles.
Like I've said you can always glue Wet & Dry fine grade over the top,it realy does look good.
Bob
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on October 17, 2014, 04:13:53 PM
A vast improvement  :thumbsup: I`ll go over the fields later and gather some horse and cow dung which I will send you.
It may be a bit ripe by the time it arrives  :bounce:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Caz on October 17, 2014, 05:45:47 PM
Bletchford now has a black rubber road and I'll experiment

Are you absolutely sure that there isn't something you should be telling us Mick.   >:D   :angel:   :-*
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on October 17, 2014, 09:21:55 PM
Will the rubber take paint
Bob

Have tried it and , yes, it does take acrylics, Bob :)

A vast improvement  :thumbsup: I`ll go over the fields later and gather some horse and cow dung which I will send you.
It may be a bit ripe by the time it arrives  :bounce:

Thanks, Jon. Please ensure it's not over gauge, though  :P

Bletchford now has a black rubber road and I'll experiment

Are you absolutely sure that there isn't something you should be telling us Mick.   >:D   :angel:   :-*

The layout, when finished, may appear in Incontinental Modeller :laugh:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Malc on October 17, 2014, 10:51:48 PM

The layout, when finished, may appear in Incontinental Modeller :laugh:
Hence the use of rubber?
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on October 18, 2014, 01:01:08 AM
You could turn it into a Japanese layout and call it Nappysan  :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Greybeema on October 18, 2014, 06:44:03 AM
After WWII with the introduction of jet powered aircraft.  The Royal Navy experimented with a rubber flight deck on an aircraft carrier.  Rather than land on its undercarriage the aircraft was to bounce onto the deck then be picked up by crane to be set back on its wheels...

So maybe you could have an aeroplane on your rubber road...
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: CarriageShed on October 21, 2014, 01:42:08 PM
That road certainly does have the look of day-old tarmac. The road crew have only just packed away and cleared off and the white line team are on their way.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Dr Al on October 22, 2014, 11:49:32 AM
That road certainly does have the look of day-old tarmac. The road crew have only just packed away and cleared off and the white line team are on their way.

Would be good if you were modelling a rainy day - it looks like a slick road - though I wouldn't go as far as actually replicating the rain............ :smiley-laughing:

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: danielb on November 19, 2014, 11:55:59 AM
Loving this layout thread Nobby, do you have any updates?

That scenic run is looking the mutt nuts mate!
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on November 19, 2014, 04:13:38 PM
Loving this layout thread Nobby, do you have any updates?

That scenic run is looking the mutt nuts mate!

Thanks Daniel. Sadly my mojo has gone walkabout along with my round tuit :'(. When one/both return I'll get back to the scenery, which is far from finished. :-[
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on November 19, 2014, 04:19:51 PM
I think we need to go round and kick his butt Dan  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on November 19, 2014, 04:51:51 PM
I think we need to go round and kick his butt Dan  :smiley-laughing:

I've been told I can't find it with both hands, so good luck with that :P
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on November 19, 2014, 04:57:03 PM
hahahaha love it! Don't let your problems with the road get you down mate.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on November 20, 2014, 11:43:03 AM
Loving this layout thread Nobby, do you have any updates?

Thanks Daniel. Sadly my mojo has gone walkabout along with my round tuit :'(.

Most good model shops or exibitions sell tins of dehydrated mojo and round tuit. Even some of the online shelf stacker outlets can supply it  (You do have to prove that you are over 21 to order it though )
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on November 20, 2014, 02:51:29 PM

Most good model shops or exibitions sell tins of dehydrated mojo and round tuit. Even some of the online shelf stacker outlets can supply it  (You do have to prove that you are over 21 to order it though )

Thanks, Jon, but your last sentence means I'm unable to get hold of said items :D :whistle:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Jack on November 20, 2014, 02:55:56 PM
Loving this layout thread Nobby, do you have any updates?

Thanks Daniel. Sadly my mojo has gone walkabout along with my round tuit :'(.

Most good model shops or exibitions sell tins of dehydrated mojo and round tuit. Even some of the online shelf stacker outlets can supply it  (You do have to prove that you are over 21 to order it though )

I've tried looking for them on line but can't find either, have you got a web link Jon?? I really could do with a large jar of each.....
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bob Tidbury on November 20, 2014, 03:43:17 PM
The round tuits are available in a lot of souvenir shops in Yorkshire not sure about jars of Mojo .
Bob
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on November 20, 2014, 03:52:37 PM
Loving this layout thread Nobby, do you have any updates?

Thanks Daniel. Sadly my mojo has gone walkabout along with my round tuit :'(.

Most good model shops or exibitions sell tins of dehydrated mojo and round tuit. Even some of the online shelf stacker outlets can supply it  (You do have to prove that you are over 21 to order it though )

I've tried looking for them on line but can't find either, have you got a web link Jon?? I really could do with a large jar of each.....
::)
  :doh: Have you looked on fleebay? or in the pub just down the road from you
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on November 20, 2014, 08:41:14 PM
Would this help? :D

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/36/thumb_18776.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=18776)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on November 20, 2014, 10:56:14 PM
I think yer all bleedin' mad. Hey - I posted this... I must have got meself a round tuit!  :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: danielb on November 21, 2014, 05:50:27 PM
My mojo thankfully is still alive and kicking, thanks in part to a HUGE to do list of jobs of various levels of depth and time consumption.

I try to do a tiny little bit every day, just enough to keep me interested - fitting a decoder here, applying some decals there, putting together a small building or wagon kit, or the like.

Try it - build a station building or a goods shed or even a house - even if you can't use them on THIS layout, you'd be surprised how easy it is to get a layout built when you've already got a lot of it done before you even finish your trackplan!
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on November 22, 2014, 09:48:29 AM

Most good model shops or exibitions sell tins of dehydrated mojo and round tuit. Even some of the online shelf stacker outlets can supply it  (You do have to prove that you are over 21 to order it though )

Thanks, Jon, but your last sentence means I'm unable to get hold of said items :D :whistle:
You can claim them because you just have to state that you have been past 21 several times as you are now at least 3 times past it


Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on November 22, 2014, 10:40:29 AM
Mick are you gonna stop this nonsense?  ;D

George
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on November 22, 2014, 03:22:37 PM

Most good model shops or exibitions sell tins of dehydrated mojo and round tuit. Even some of the online shelf stacker outlets can supply it  (You do have to prove that you are over 21 to order it though )

Thanks, Jon, but your last sentence means I'm unable to get hold of said items :D :whistle:
You can claim them because you just have to state that you have been past 21 several times as you are now at least 3 times past it

How very dare you! I only passed the 61st milestone this year, so get thee back to school, sirrah :telloff:

Mick are you gonna stop this nonsense?  ;D

George

Nah, George :no:
One has to defend oneself against the slings and arrows of outrageous Jonclox :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on November 22, 2014, 03:25:03 PM
When he's awake  :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on November 22, 2014, 03:50:23 PM
When he's awake  :D
:confused1: huh? :doh: :sleep:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jd on November 22, 2014, 05:09:21 PM
oh dear Mick. well a little time out from a layout is good. This is the first weekend I've being doing any thing on the Cove. I love the layout your doing now, and yes the road dose look a little slick but maybe you could weather it down with paint or something.
I used pollyfiller WS mixed grey fine ballast and WS soil blend to get the base for my road, then painted in different shades of grey to get the colour I was happy with.
And there is nothing wrong with silliness it makes you smile and laugh and I love your post for it Mick they make me smile pmsl  :laugh3: :smiley-laughing: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on November 22, 2014, 05:25:37 PM
All the road needs is a touch of white weathering powder or even just white chalk lightly rubbed into the surface to tone it down a little.
Come on Mick! Head up!
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: MinZaPint on November 22, 2014, 05:40:24 PM
Hi Mick
Along with quite a few others I’ve been following your progress with Bletchford and find it sad that you should have run into the modelling wall particularly as your help and enthusiasm has helped so many of us. So what can we do for you? DanielB’s idea of having a go at a building sounds good, Scalescenes have their freebie good shed to give you a start.
Pleased to see your posting continues to show you haven’t lost your sense of humour.
All the very best     David
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on November 22, 2014, 05:56:45 PM
Quote
How very dare you! I only passed the 61st milestone this year, so get thee back to school, sirrah :telloff:

 Yer still wet behind t'ears lad :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on November 22, 2014, 08:28:42 PM
Quote
How very dare you! I only passed the 61st milestone this year, so get thee back to school, sirrah :telloff:

 Yer still wet behind t'ears lad :D

I've found that's the biggest problem with being an incontinent contortionist :-[
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on November 22, 2014, 08:54:20 PM
Quote
I've found that's the biggest problem with being an incontinent contortionist :-[

You're boasting :laugh3:
Got to reread this thread to get back to reality :confused1:
Or even to get back on track!
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on November 30, 2014, 03:38:14 PM
Feeling somewhat sorry for myself as I have a vicious cold I just can't seem to shift, I decided to unashamedly have a 'play' this afternoon so grabbed some handy stock and my trusty old Gaugemaster and set up 2 of the 3 boards which make up 'Bletchford'. This revealed a couple of raised rail joints (verdammt IRJ's :veryangry:) which I sorted, and also the platform line does not hold a loco and 2 Mk1's. The latter doesn't worry me too much as it's a rural line and I'll be using the smaller Suburbans or Stanier coaches :D

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19101.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19101)

Working from left to right you can see the platform line and run round loop. Where the 04 is sat will be the loco shed + spare siding. The track to the right of the loco shed is the headshunt for the cattle dock/goods shed. The class 121 is sat on the 2 road goods facilities, and to the left of those sits a single line for the cattle dock. I'm sure the chaps working in the goods shed will become acclimatised to the odour of much cow  :poop:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19100.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19100)

I think it was Caz who pointed me in the direction of the height adjustable trestles (thank you) and I have 3 which can support all 3 boards. OK, so the trestles come flat packed but, heck, if I can work out the instructions anyone can.
Note - there are no fancy means of doing the track joints between boards, just very careful height positioning and the use of bullet dowels/security latches between the boards. No derailments have occurred.

I've had a happy hour or two playing with varying passenger and freight scenarios and, although my cold is no better, I feel as if I've stuck 2 fingers up at it :)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Caz on November 30, 2014, 04:06:01 PM
Looking good Mick and great to see you back doing some work on the layout at last even if you have a rotten cold.  Must say, that chair in the background looks awful comfy.   ;)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on November 30, 2014, 04:06:48 PM
 :thumbsup: Good to see you back in playing (trains) mode again.
Now get rid of that pesky cold and stop spreading germs all around the forum
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on November 30, 2014, 04:53:06 PM
I think that your 121 is surplus to requirements and needs to be sold off.



I'm at the front of the queue  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: davieb on November 30, 2014, 05:28:44 PM
Great to see some progress Mick  :thumbsup:
Hope the cold is better soon  :doh:

dave   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jd on November 30, 2014, 05:46:58 PM
I'm sorry about your cold but great to hear ypur back working on the layout even if it is playing trains which is what we all love at the end of the day :D :claphappy:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on November 30, 2014, 06:02:34 PM
Get better soon. Alcohol kills germs :pint:
That 04 looks very lonely there. I'm sure it would enjoy a holiday in Spain :claphappy:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on November 30, 2014, 06:04:46 PM
Mick, your cold must look serious - the vultures are gathering!   :laughabovepost:
Hope you soon feel better.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on November 30, 2014, 06:47:51 PM
Thanks All,
Must admit I find the creaking & wheezing noises offputting...........and they're not coming from the layout :worried:
If anyone has further requests for stock I'll post some pics - and then say NO! :nerner:
I've even taken the 13 x Peco Butterleys off my sale stock as I'm saving up to get mk1gtstu to work some magic ;)
Not sure if the mojo's back as I just wanted to 'play' but it has rekindled some interest so hopefully that's a good sign :)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bob Tidbury on November 30, 2014, 08:37:52 PM
Come on Mick pull yourself together glue yourself to the baseboard and get that layout finished let's see the jokes coming and get back to being the bloke I met at TINGS .
All the best .
Bob
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Jerry Howlett on December 01, 2014, 10:20:39 AM
Thats what I like to see a real Bloke FIGHTING man flu.  Even if it means washing my keyboard with dettol !!

Those aforementioned items would love the Italian climate.  Cold wet grey just like Lancashire today.


All the best to you Mick  :beers:

Jerry
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on December 01, 2014, 10:35:02 AM
Must be a Pommy thing, 'cos as soon as I got back from me Frodo adventure over there in June, I've battled three lots of sniffles when I haven't had 'em in 40 years!

 :D ;D :D ;)

Temperature differential, I reckon. Condenses up yer nose.  :uneasy:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: mk1gtstu on December 01, 2014, 10:44:05 AM
Excellent looking layout, I like it! :thumbsup: :NGaugersRule:

cheers, Stu.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on January 24, 2015, 02:39:07 PM
The scenic board has gone from............
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/41/thumb_15470.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=15470)

to this.....................
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20583.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20583)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20584.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20584)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20585.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20585)

Some Woodland Scenics foliage seemed impervious to PVA but I found that dipping it into a bath of the stuff worked OK. Not entirely happy with the rail bridge over the road as it's meant to represent a soot covered one (from steam days, doncha know).
The road (once rubber) has been lifted and replaced with wet & dry.
The whole scene is meant to portray a very rural, run down area so I think I have it right in parts. Loads more to do yet with more foliage, trees, fences, telegraph poles, cows etc but I really need to get the backscene (ID) into place so I can check at eye level and see how best to blend everything in.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bob Tidbury on January 24, 2015, 03:38:03 PM
Hi NPN glad to see you've used  fine grade wet/dry now if you gently rub over it in places with your finger or even a rubber you can make slight changes to the colour also you can dust it with various weathering powders for mud on the road or even little dots of very dark brown for other rural marks left by the cows going from field to the farm for milking,tiny drops of varnish will look like puddles etc.
Bob
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Trainfish on January 24, 2015, 03:50:06 PM
You need skid marks on a narrow road too  :doh:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on January 24, 2015, 03:53:27 PM
I'm so glad you are back in action Nobs.
When I saw "The scenic board has gone from this....to this" I thought the second pic was gonna be the dustbin  :D

Looks good mate, very nice.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: DesertHound on January 24, 2015, 03:54:26 PM
Liking it Mick! Wasn't aware you were in mid-build status!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on January 24, 2015, 04:00:16 PM
Looking good,  Mick! Please don't run any blue & grey coaches on it, though.... you scared me enough in the coach liveries/milk bottle thread already.  :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on January 24, 2015, 04:33:04 PM
 :wave: Good to see you back modelling again. :bounce:
That looks fine now all it needs is trains running on it
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on January 24, 2015, 05:44:19 PM
A great change. I like the road as it is now. Looking forward to seeing more. Now I must do a bit more to mine.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: scotsoft on January 24, 2015, 08:43:26 PM
Not entirely happy with the rail bridge over the road as it's meant to represent a soot covered one (from steam days, doncha know).


This will be a bit of hit and miss till you get it just right  :worried:

I used a Peco plastic tunnel mouth and a lit tea light, after all if you want smoke - use smoke  :D

The following pictures show the tunnel mouth as new and with some smoke applied from the candle/ tea light.  This was achieved by four or five passes over the flame, it took longer to take the pictures  :doh:

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I think this works very well and more soot can be applied if desired.

Practice by holding a piece of white paper or card horizontal and using a candle or tea light offer the flame up to the paper or card.  You will see how quickly the soot adheres to the paper or card so you can be very quick when passing the flame under your bridge or have some n gauge firemen standing by with hoses in hand  :D

If you require further clarification on the process please feel free to ask and we can negotiate a suitable fee  :NGaugersRule:

cheers John.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on January 24, 2015, 08:48:55 PM
Don't even think about a fee, Mick, until he tells you how to fix the soot in place. You dont want it rubbing off and getting all over your fingers.  :D

George
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: mk1gtstu on January 24, 2015, 09:06:51 PM
Great layout!  :thumbsup:

Just needs a blue class 37 hauling a rake of rusty 16T minerals  ;)  :D
Keep the pics coming,

cheers, Stu.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on January 24, 2015, 09:14:14 PM
Hi NPN glad to see you've used  fine grade wet/dry now if you gently rub over it in places with your finger or even a rubber you can make slight changes to the colour also you can dust it with various weathering powders for mud on the road or even little dots of very dark brown for other rural marks left by the cows going from field to the farm for milking,tiny drops of varnish will look like puddles etc.
Bob

Hi Bob,
In picture 3 you'll see I have done just that by dry brushing brown acrylic where the farmer's tractor/cows would exit the field on the bend and also from the farm track over the bridge at the far end of the board.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bob Tidbury on January 24, 2015, 09:50:59 PM
Sorry Mick I missed picture 3 other things on my mind Vals Mum rang up to say Dad was in hospital again not looking to good , I'm not too good myself I'm on new tablets and they are having a nasty reaction if you get my drift,still Its good to see your having a go at the layout again .
Bob
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on January 24, 2015, 10:00:19 PM
Sorry to hear that, Bob, and hope everyone recovers very soon :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Caz on January 25, 2015, 08:38:18 PM
You've certainly got your mojo back, a vast improvement and starting to look the biz.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on January 25, 2015, 09:39:34 PM
Great layout!  :thumbsup:

Just needs a blue class 37 hauling a rake of rusty 16T minerals  ;)  :D
Keep the pics coming,

cheers, Stu.

Blue? BLUE!???
Wash your mouth out, sirrah :telloff:
The only blue thing I have is a Blue Pullman, and not a custard dipped one either :P
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: mk1gtstu on January 25, 2015, 09:42:38 PM
 :laugh:  :P

Cheers, Stu.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on January 25, 2015, 09:52:08 PM
Did someone say BP?  :drool: Did you know a BP looks like this?
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 :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: austinbob on January 25, 2015, 09:56:47 PM
Did someone say BP?  :drool: Did you know a BP looks like this?
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 :D
That is a very nice BP - I must dust mine off and give it a run. :beers:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on January 25, 2015, 10:12:02 PM
Did someone say BP?  :drool: Did you know a BP looks like this?
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
 :D

 :doh: :whiteflag: :whiteflag:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on January 26, 2015, 11:32:38 AM
Not entirely happy with the rail bridge over the road as it's meant to represent a soot covered one (from steam days, doncha know).


This will be a bit of hit and miss till you get it just right  :worried:

I used a Peco plastic tunnel mouth and a lit tea light, after all if you want smoke - use smoke  :D

The following pictures show the tunnel mouth as new and with some smoke applied from the candle/ tea light.  This was achieved by four or five passes over the flame, it took longer to take the pictures  :doh:

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I think this works very well and more soot can be applied if desired.

Practice by holding a piece of white paper or card horizontal and using a candle or tea light offer the flame up to the paper or card.  You will see how quickly the soot adheres to the paper or card so you can be very quick when passing the flame under your bridge or have some n gauge firemen standing by with hoses in hand  :D

If you require further clarification on the process please feel free to ask and we can negotiate a suitable fee  :NGaugersRule:

cheers John.

An excellent idea, John, and one I will use on my main layout as none of the tunnel mouths are fixed in place yet. I'd be concerned that if I tried this method with the bridges in situ on 'Bletchford' I'd end up with a heap of ashes and no scenic board :worried:
I would have thought an acrylic matt lacquer would seal the smoke in place :hmmm:
Thanks again, and hopefully this has avoided the required fee :D
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Post by: scotsoft on January 26, 2015, 08:59:01 PM
An excellent idea, John, and one I will use on my main layout as none of the tunnel mouths are fixed in place yet. I'd be concerned that if I tried this method with the bridges in situ on 'Bletchford' I'd end up with a heap of ashes and no scenic board :worried:
I think if you tried this method out on a piece of card you will find it only requires a few very quick passes to achieve this effect, so your bridge in situ would not end up as a burnt offering to the Gods  :D


I would have thought an acrylic matt lacquer would seal the smoke in place :hmmm:
If you don't touch it once done, then it would not require sealing  :thumbsup:

Thanks again, and hopefully this has avoided the required fee :D
I do enjoy your delusions  :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:

cheers John.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on January 29, 2015, 02:58:25 PM
One side of the ID Backscene set has been fitted (but not trimmed yet) to the scenic board and, by using this, I hope to be able to blend in the trees, more bushes etc such that nothing looks horribly out of place :hmmm: Corners have been angled to avoid any 90 degree nooks. The camera flash has made the fields look lighter than they are................

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20749.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20749)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20750.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20750)

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Post by: Jools on January 29, 2015, 03:09:06 PM
I hope to be able to blend in the trees, more bushes etc such that nothing looks horribly out of place :hmmm:
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20750.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20750[/url])


they look pretty well blended to me!

I scrolled down a bit quickly and saw the second image first ...   until i scrolled back up I wasn't sure if the field on the far side of the bridge was part of the backscene or not!
 :NGF:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on January 29, 2015, 03:20:52 PM
That looks a reet proper job  :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on January 29, 2015, 04:19:30 PM
Very nice  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bob Tidbury on January 29, 2015, 04:50:44 PM
Very nice well blended backscene I'll have to try and get something done for mine it does make a a great deal of diferance to a layout.
Excellent work keep the pictures coming.
Bob
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 29, 2015, 05:34:54 PM
Very good work; the backscene blends in very nicely with the countryside.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: mk1gtstu on January 29, 2015, 06:25:36 PM
Very realistic! :thumbsup: The backscene blends perfectly & has made a huge difference.


cheers, Stu.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Caz on January 29, 2015, 06:32:23 PM
Now we are cooking, looks fantastic Mick.   :thumbsup:   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on January 29, 2015, 07:55:27 PM
Wot Caz said, Mick.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on January 29, 2015, 08:35:38 PM
<wookie knew he would get his mojo back eventually>  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: daveg on January 29, 2015, 08:40:00 PM
Thanks for the update.

Looks really nice, Mick.  :thumbsup:

Dave G
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on January 29, 2015, 08:54:47 PM
+1 to all the comments. Very nice.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: GScaleBruce on January 29, 2015, 09:15:07 PM
Yup, really blends together well  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Trainfish on January 30, 2015, 12:24:25 AM
Excellent stuff Mick. I may have to look at those backscenes for part of my layout  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: lil chris on January 30, 2015, 03:46:10 PM
Looking good that back scene Mick.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Jerry Howlett on January 30, 2015, 06:56:34 PM
Attack of the little green men Mick :envy: :envy: :envy: :envy: :envy:  Great job.

Jerry
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on January 30, 2015, 09:07:19 PM
Attack of the little green men Mick :envy: :envy: :envy: :envy: :envy:  Great job.

Jerry

It was the knights who say 'Ni', Jerry.
They demanded a shrubbery ::)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on January 30, 2015, 11:13:01 PM
Careful... or I shall say ni to you again!
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on January 31, 2015, 03:39:51 PM
It struck me I hadn't had a playtest for a while so the 3 boards were clipped together on their trestles and a couple of trains were run. For those who haven't been paying attention in class ( :telloff:) this is what the overall thingummyjig looks like.......
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20884.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20884)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20885.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20885)

A weathered class 25 with some of mk1gtstu's filthed up trucks.....
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20888.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20888)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20889.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20889)


And a class 108 in the 'proper' colours :D..........
[url=http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20887](http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20887.JPG) (http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j454/nobbynewport/Bletchford/Class%2025%20on%20Bletchford_zpsnunfgmzs.mp4)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20886.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20886)


For some reason  :censored: Photobucket won't copy the 2nd vid properly ::)


Well, I had some fun :P
 (http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j454/nobbynewport/Bletchford/Class%20108%20on%20Bletchford_zpsn7aozvk1.mp4)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: DesertHound on January 31, 2015, 03:47:47 PM
I'm new this thread Mick - must say I like the way the backscene blends with the sidescene, it all blends into one. Then I noticed you have a 45 degree angle to soften the 90 degrees - very good idea!

Will keep an eye on this one from now  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 31, 2015, 04:11:11 PM
Looking very good, Mick. I will also be using those photographic backscenes (I have one already) and will angle them at the corners, too. They make such a difference.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on January 31, 2015, 04:15:21 PM
Thanks, Chris.
The great thing about the ID backscenes is there are 2 to a pack which, by starting from the mid point of the 2 scenic boards and working outwards to the 2 ends, with the minimum of trimming I get a good 'pattern match' and no joins anywhere else due to the length being slightly too long and so perfect for what I needed :)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 31, 2015, 04:17:14 PM
Ah, so I must have two backscenes then in the cardboard tube! 8-)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on January 31, 2015, 04:42:42 PM
Not sure if it applies to all of them but the one I have (Series 208 "Hills and Dales" Pack C) is 10ft total - 2 x 5ft x 9".
My backscene boards are each 4ft 6" ;D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on January 31, 2015, 04:45:25 PM
That really looks very nice Mick
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on January 31, 2015, 05:19:09 PM
It struck me I hadn't had a playtest for a while so the 3 boards were clipped together on their trestles and a couple of trains were run. For those who haven't been paying attention in class ( :telloff:) this is what the overall thingummyjig looks like.......

A very nice thingummjig.  :D
A good test every now and then does you the power of good!
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on January 31, 2015, 09:50:10 PM
Looking great. Love the cats whiskers!

That little cottage reminds me of one i saw in Scotland:

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=media;sa=media;in=8193 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=media;sa=media;in=8193)




Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on February 01, 2015, 03:54:40 PM
I try to remember to spray any backscenes Ive used with a reasonable quality varnish or lacquer so that when handled in the future with non pristine hands the  board can be wiped clean easily without damaging it
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: mk1gtstu on February 01, 2015, 04:11:10 PM
Lovely layout! Is the area where the sidings & controller are going to be scenery?


cheers, Stu.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on February 01, 2015, 06:30:30 PM
Lovely layout! Is the area where the sidings & controller are going to be scenery?


cheers, Stu.

Thanks, Stu.
Yep - that board will have the branch terminus station, goods shed and loco shed and other scenic items but I don't want to start it until (a) I have finished the middle board of the 3 (b) I have decided where to locate the magnets for the Dapol easi shunts and (c) I have worked out how to wire Seep PM1's for frog polarity etc.
(c) is doing my head in as I read so much conflicting info and any wiring diagram might just as well be in Mandarin :dunce: :-[
I dare say once I have done one I'll be OK for the few on this layout and the 40 or so on the main layout :uneasy:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on February 01, 2015, 08:26:49 PM
Having wood flooring at Chez Bealman also, it was the floors that Anne looked at first in the photos. She loves the door!  ::)

I was more interested in what appears to be a bottle of sherry reflected in the mirror  :D

George
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Dock Shunter on February 01, 2015, 08:35:27 PM
Excellent work,Mick..... :thumbsup:
You have done a great job of blending the scenic work with the Backscene.
Bought an ID Backscene for my layout so looking forward to doing that,now that i have seen yours.... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on February 01, 2015, 08:38:31 PM

I was more interested in what appears to be a bottle of sherry reflected in the mirror  :D

George

I can't see it. Have you drunk it? :hmmm: :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on February 01, 2015, 09:22:26 PM
I think Bealman has imbibed the wine as all I can see is a clock which he may be confused by :confused1:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on February 01, 2015, 10:22:08 PM
Having wood flooring at Chez Bealman also, it was the floors that Anne looked at first in the photos.
I was more impressed by the very posh trestles that the layout is standing on....
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: georgehgv on February 28, 2015, 10:43:43 PM
Looking good Mick but a bit disappointed I can't see any rubber or pink ballast.   :-X

No Caz but a good shot of the Bedray.  :laugh3:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: MinZaPint on March 01, 2015, 11:18:37 AM
Looking good Mick but a bit disappointed I can't see any rubber or pink ballast.   :-X

No Caz but a good shot of the Bedray.  :laugh3:

Is that your tanning board Mick?  8)   Seriously the layouts looking good now you've got the road sorted  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on March 01, 2015, 09:14:44 PM
Thanks, David.
No need for an iron when using my Bedray to smooth clothes out :-X
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Trainfish on March 02, 2015, 12:55:57 AM
I finally gave up and googled Bedray as I couldn't see a tanning bed anywhere. Mind you, now I've googled it I can't see an ironing board either. Am I going blind?
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: georgehgv on March 02, 2015, 04:47:56 AM
I finally gave up and googled Bedray as I couldn't see a tanning bed anywhere. Mind you, now I've googled it I can't see an ironing board either. Am I going blind?

There was a typo earlier try Beldray. Not a domestic slave then Trainfish? Lol
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Trainfish on March 02, 2015, 02:14:27 PM
Nope, can't see a steam mop either.

Not a domestic slave then Trainfish? Lol

Is it that obvious?
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on April 24, 2015, 09:23:34 PM
Time for some detailing on the first scenic board of Bletchford.
First of all I jabbed the lineside fencing (Peco NB-45) and the telegraph poles (Ratio item 211) into some spare polystyrene sheet. I then primed them with a can of Humbrol acrylic primer followed by a thinned down brown acrylic wash applied with a misting bottle then finished off with a coating of Humbrol matt acrylic varnish.
I then turned my attention to the fencing and telegraph pole fitting, using a 1.5mm drill to create the holes having wound some masking tape round the drill bit so as to drill to a consistent depth. Plastic weld solution was then placed into each hole with a cocktail stick and the same glue painted on the posts before ‘planting’ them. This was tedious in the extreme but seems to have worked well in both securing the items and keeping them (hopefully) upright. :- A very small amount of brown paint still came off the fencing (probably due to all the handling) but was easily touched in with acrylic brown paint.
Now for some trees, I thought, so out came a pack of Woodland Scenics fine leaf foliage light green (ref F1 132) and the same methodology used i.e. drill location holes, apply glue with cocktail stick, paint glue on base of tree and then plant.
Farm animals followed – cows/bulls purchased from Country Scene and Trees and some sheep given to me by fellow member Dock Shunter. For better or worse I persisted with the plastic weld and poured some into a shallow dish so as to be able to dip their hooves. This wasn’t so bad with the larger cows/bulls but the smaller sheep were a complete pain, frequently pinging off tweezers/fingers (luckily I have laminate flooring, not carpet). :sweat: Although Dock Shunter’s pack also included some lambs I didn’t even go there, as that way madness lies. :laugh3:
I do have reservations about the security of fixing of the livestock and have visions of tilting the baseboard and them all just falling on the floor, so would appreciate anybody’s experience/advice of affixing livestock to fields please. :worried:
There’s still lots to do such as adding vehicles, the little folk etc but this board is getting there, I feel.
With this layout representing a somewhat neglected and rundown rural area I hope I am creating a fairly decent look – your opinions/suggestions would be welcome.
Here are some pics (DMU posed for the camera:-
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24380.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24380)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24381.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24381)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24382.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24382)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24383.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24383)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24379.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24379)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24384.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24384)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24385.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24385)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24386.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24386)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24387.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24387)

Thanks for looking.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: daveg on April 24, 2015, 09:45:40 PM
Very nice, Mick!

Some of the scenic stuff can be tedious but your photos show the effort is worth it.

No idea how to fix the livestock down - a challenge I have yet to get anywhere near so any suggestions will be carefully logged!

The road looks good, too.

Dave G
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on April 24, 2015, 09:55:45 PM
A lovely bit of modelling :thumbsup:. The fields where the cattle are grazing look a little bare.  Over stocking or taking advantage of the generous beef subsidies? :o
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: lil chris on April 24, 2015, 10:04:19 PM
Looking good there Mick, nice one, your work has paid off.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on April 24, 2015, 10:05:01 PM
I think it's more the camera being cruel, Mito, as the fields are fairly lush (either that or those cows are greedy  :censored:
The natural light in my room is very poor so I only had 'the big light' on. Flash photography is a no-no as it just doesn't portray the colours ::)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on April 24, 2015, 10:21:58 PM
I think it's more the camera being cruel, Mito, as the fields are fairly lush (either that or those cows are greedy  :censored:
The natural light in my room is very poor so I only had 'the big light' on. Flash photography is a no-no as it just doesn't portray the colours ::)

In seriousness I thought it could be the lighting but having farmed for a while I know what cattle can eat and what they can produce! :hmmm:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: GScaleBruce on April 24, 2015, 10:41:26 PM
No idea how to fix the livestock down - a challenge I have yet to get anywhere near so any suggestions will be carefully logged!
For what little it's worth, I've been using Bostick white glue. I suspect this isn't the most technical modelling glue on the planet, but it grabs well, sets quickly, dries clear, soaks through model landscape "grass" foam and is water soluble (although meaning that I also use EvoStick wood glue in the blue, waterproof, bottle!). Lately I've been using it to fix figures instead of polystyrene cement or superglue...
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on April 24, 2015, 11:35:28 PM
Good work, Mick.   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Shame about the poor little lambsies, though.  :(

I've always just used superglue to fix people and beasties.

George
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: lil chris on April 25, 2015, 12:03:14 AM
What do you mean Mick "had the big light on" you been watching Peter Kay again ?. A good idea if you use a fluorescent light you get a green tinge, that would make your fields look greener ...he..he
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on April 25, 2015, 11:15:53 AM
 :thumbsup: Great stuff Mick it looks better every photo you show
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on April 25, 2015, 12:53:17 PM
Good work, Mick.   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Shame about the poor little lambsies, though.  :(

I've always just used superglue to fix people and beasties.

George

Thanks, George.
Not sure my sanity (what's left of it) would stand applying superglue to each and every hoof of the critters :worried:
Ideally I wanted a liquid glue that I could just dip the animals into (origin of sheep dip??).
They are all still standing this morning but I really don't fancy tugging at one to see if they are secure - guess I might have to :uneasy:
Maybe normal PVA would be better, providing it doesn't turn every animal into an amorphous 'blob'.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Malc on April 25, 2015, 01:00:15 PM
Looking good, Mick. When are you planning to transfer your new found skills to the big layout?
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on April 25, 2015, 01:32:10 PM
Looking good, Mick. When are you planning to transfer your new found skills to the big layout?

Ta, Malc.
At the rate I progress on this small layout I sometimes wonder if I'll be around to transfer any skills :-[ :worried:
This is the 'easy' board as there's only an 'S' shaped piece of track on it. The next board contains all the station, goods yard, loco shed etc so has points, buildings and associated detailing to get to grips with. Luckily, through this forum I have some great ideas how to deal with everything so the future doesn't hold so much terror now :D
I swore to myself I would not start on the next board until this one was finished so as to avoid everything being half done. The track is laid and lightly pinned on the next board - purely for testing purposes, you understand :angel:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on April 25, 2015, 02:09:47 PM
That looks brilliant Mick!
Really impressed.
I haven't been in the forum in the last 3 weeks as real life is intruding in a big way at the moment  :(
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: MinZaPint on April 25, 2015, 03:12:34 PM
That's looking very good Mick and your livestock placing looks very realistic  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Paddy on April 25, 2015, 03:18:18 PM
OK - I mixed the brown emulsion test posts with the final coat of filler/water solution. It dried somewhat lighter than it looked when I'd mixed it, but it's all going to be covered anyway.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_14887.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14887[/url])

To apply the base scatter aka Woodland Scenics Fine Turf, I found a shaker for a £1 and it's great for applying any fine stuff.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_14890.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14890[/url])

I applied the dark grass first, then highlighted it with some yellow grass and topped it all off with a spray of WS Scenic Cement. This supposedly has a wetting agent and also has a capillary action, but I still reckon a PVA/water solution would do just as well :hmmm:
It looks in the pic as if I have left some base colour showing but that's the yellow grass.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_14889.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14889[/url])

Next I used the same shaker but without the top to apply a few patches of coarse dark turf.
This will also be highlighted with light coarse grass, then another spray of the Scenic Cement.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/thumb_14888.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14888[/url])

Still lots to do in the way of bushes, hedgerows, trees, fencing etc but it's getting there.
The road has become a bit messed up but I'll give it a good clean off with a wet toothbrush. Likewise the track will need unpinning and giving a good clean. If it turns out to be no good I'll just replace it with another length.

Thanks for staying with it so far.


I use one of those shakers as well Mick.

Kind regards

Paddy
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on April 25, 2015, 05:06:23 PM
Thanks for your PM regarding securing livestock, Paddy :thumbsup:

That's looking very good Mick and your livestock placing looks very realistic  :thumbsup:

Thanks David.
I remembered seeing many a DVD of sheep/cows legging it away from the railway line whenever a steam loco passed by, so have fixed some in that position. OK, it's meant to be an early green diesel era layout but I won't rule out a steam excursion on the odd occasion ;) :no:
I suspect livestock gets used to trains coming by until something out of the ordinary occurs >:D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Caz on April 25, 2015, 05:08:37 PM
That is looking seriously good Mick, didn't know you had it in you.   :thumbsup:   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on April 25, 2015, 05:19:29 PM
That is looking seriously good Mick, didn't know you had it in you.   :thumbsup:   :thumbsup:

Nor did I :o
 :thankyousign:


P.S. Happy Birthday! :beers:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Paddy on April 25, 2015, 06:21:22 PM
My pleasure Mike - your layout is looking really good.

Paddy
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: mk1gtstu on April 25, 2015, 08:20:58 PM
Looking very nice! :thumbsup:


cheers, Stu.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bob Tidbury on April 25, 2015, 08:26:14 PM
What an amazing transformation from the original photos Mick or to put it in English its bl****y good, keep that up and you'll be getting members asking you to build layouts for them
Bob
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on April 26, 2015, 12:37:13 AM
There'd better be lambsies on the big layout  >:D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: daveg on April 26, 2015, 08:10:41 AM
There'd better be lambsies on the big layout  >:D

Ah George, made me recall the old ditty:

Mairzy doats and dozy doats
And liddle lamzy divey
A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?
Yes! Mairzy doats and dozy doats
and liddle lamzy divey
A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?

Probably nonsense to anyone under 50!

Totally  :offtopicsign: so  :sorrysign: and  :thankyousign:

Dave G
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Jerry Howlett on April 27, 2015, 09:11:50 AM
There'd better be lambsies on the big layout  >:D

Ah George, made me recall the old ditty:

Mairzy doats and dozy doats
And liddle lamzy divey
A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?
Yes! Mairzy doats and dozy doats
and liddle lamzy divey
A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you?

Probably nonsense to anyone under 50!

Totally  :offtopicsign: so  :sorrysign: and  :thankyousign:

Dave G

Mrs "H" does this as a party piece. !  Usually after seveereal glasses of Vino.

Jerry
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on April 27, 2015, 09:45:16 AM
I'm coming up for 62 and it's nonsense to me ???
Can anyone translate it for me?

Monty Python RAF Banter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rKYL0tW-Ek#)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: daveg on April 27, 2015, 10:52:13 AM
Nope!  :no:

Dave G
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on April 27, 2015, 11:10:27 AM
No comments from me on any of this. Almost beddy byes  in Antipodes.  :beers:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on April 27, 2015, 11:30:51 AM
Nope!  :no:

Dave G

I meant all that 'dozey doats' stuff, Dave. ???
The M.P. bit was just to show how things get lost in the translation
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: daveg on April 27, 2015, 01:18:54 PM
Nope!  :no:

Dave G

I meant all that 'dozey doats' stuff, Dave. ???
The M.P. bit was just to show how things get lost in the translation

Sorry Mick.

Obviously got the wrong end of the stick!

Get it? Stick? Joy stick?

Oh never mind!  :doh:

I'm going back to the garage where I've actually started cutting timber for the new layout boards!!  :claphappy:

Meanwhile, back On Topic, looking forward to your next update.

Dave G

Dave G
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on April 27, 2015, 10:48:17 PM
I always thought that it was going on about does eating oats, but little lambs eat ivy - I would eat ivy too, wouldn't you?

Or something like that.  :beers:

George
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: daveg on April 28, 2015, 06:50:30 AM
I always thought that it was going on about does eating oats, but little lambs eat ivy - I would eat ivy too, wouldn't you?

Or something like that.  :beers:

George

Exactly!

' A kid (baby goat) will eat ivy too'

You can tell he was is a teacher, can't you?

Dave G
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on April 28, 2015, 09:56:57 AM

You can tell he was is a teacher, can't you?

Dave G

Nah - that song was just in the top 10 in George's day :-X
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on April 28, 2015, 11:56:47 AM
Crack! There's another rib broken from laughin' too much, Mick  8) ;)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on May 08, 2015, 09:22:04 PM
An old hut has been sited next to the bridge carrying the farm track over the bridge. I hope they don't intend using the fire as the chimney may set light to the tree that has grown over it :worried:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24728.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24728)

Sadly a couple of local gents lost control of their Mercedes saloon, hit the nearside verge and ploughed into the opposite hedge yesterday afternoon thus causing what passes in this area for a traffic jam.
Whilst PC George Gently holds Bedford bound traffic up, WPC Juliet Bravo starts to allow Bletchford bound traffic through from the other side of the railway bridge. Police Cadet  ‘Inky’ Recht watches and learns from the WPC.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24729.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24729)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24730.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24730)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24731.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24731)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24732.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24732)

When I can purchase an ambulance ( :-[) the unfortunate victims of the accident will be taken to hospital, where it would later be established many pints of the local Greene King ‘Abbot’ ale had been quaffed before they left Bletchford. ::)

Just some field gates to add and then I reckon this outsize diorama will be finished and I will move onto the station at Bletchford with its attendant goods shed/yard, small loco shed and even smaller cattle dock.

Note to self - sort out some lighting to get better pictures. I tried using an LED spot lamp but things seemed to have a 'pinkish' tinge to them :doh:
Next time (if) we get some sunny weather I will try some outdoor shots with natural light :hmmm:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Caz on May 08, 2015, 09:24:32 PM
Just gets better and better, well done Mick, great cameo, looking forward to the next episode.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: jonclox on May 08, 2015, 09:28:32 PM
 ::) ::) (sigh) give a man a police person or two and off they go on  on a power trip  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Chris in Prague on May 08, 2015, 09:30:03 PM
Very nice modelling work, Mick.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on May 08, 2015, 09:46:50 PM
It's the beginning of a police state. :smackedface:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: scotsoft on May 08, 2015, 10:49:24 PM
I wonder if this is the only diorama with skid marks  :o

What would your dear mother say Mick  :telloff:  :angel:

It is looking very good though  :D  :thumbsup:

cheers John.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on May 09, 2015, 12:12:09 AM
 :laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:

Very good indeed, Mick.   :thumbsup:

What's the big red thing behind the mini with the Union Jack on the roof?  :confused2:

George
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: daveg on May 09, 2015, 07:38:41 AM
:laughabovepost: :laughabovepost:

Very good indeed, Mick.   :thumbsup:

What's the big red thing behind the mini with the Union Jack on the roof?  :confused2:

George


Looks like the Horsebox from Oxford, George:

http://www.ehattons.com/31637/Oxford_Diecast_NAH001_Albion_Horsebox_British_Rail/StockDetail.aspx (http://www.ehattons.com/31637/Oxford_Diecast_NAH001_Albion_Horsebox_British_Rail/StockDetail.aspx)

Mick I'm sure will correct me if I'm wrong.

Dave G
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on May 09, 2015, 12:28:36 PM
Today's Gold Star goes to Dave :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Jerry Howlett on May 09, 2015, 02:12:10 PM
Like it mick!.

The Oxford Ambliances (as Mrs "H" calls them) are brilliant little models, also the Parker Transit version.

Glad to see equality in action with the WPC doing the work and Mr PC standing with his arms folded.

Jerry
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on September 04, 2015, 03:19:22 PM
Thought it was time I got some entries into the Photo Comp but, as I was limited to 2 (what numpty thought that rule up ::)), here are some 'rejects'..........

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/18/thumb_28706.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28706)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/18/thumb_28705.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28705)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/18/thumb_28703.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28703)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/18/thumb_28702.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28702)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/18/thumb_28701.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28701)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/18/thumb_28700.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28700)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/18/thumb_28699.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28699)

Just hope I've chosen the right 2 :worried:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: daveg on September 04, 2015, 03:49:51 PM
Looking really good, Mick.  :greatpicturessign:

Enjoy  seeing what you have done with your scenic section. You are a lot further on than me. Perhaps I'll have a go at next years photo comp.

I'm stuck with 90 degree corners but would have liked to have made my backscene nicely curved as yours.

Dave G
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Caz on September 04, 2015, 06:54:38 PM
Brilliant stuff Mick, like Dave I love the curved back scene really helps it all blend in, you must be right proud.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on September 04, 2015, 07:18:03 PM
Well done Mick - very nice!
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on September 04, 2015, 08:12:31 PM
Thanks All,
I've made a cardinal error in making the track plan on the next board (station,goods yard and loco shed) without thinking too much about the continuation of the scenery from the board shown above so it looks like back to the planning stage for the second board :-[ :doh:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: lil chris on September 04, 2015, 08:35:50 PM
I know what you mean Mick about the planning, I am having similar problems with my new layout.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Geoff on September 04, 2015, 09:05:45 PM
That is superb modelling Mick thanks for posting the pictures.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on September 04, 2015, 09:29:16 PM
Lovely photos :wonderfulmodelling: :greatwork:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Black Sheep on October 20, 2016, 12:39:39 PM
Thanks All,
I've made a cardinal error in making the track plan on the next board (station,goods yard and loco shed) without thinking too much about the continuation of the scenery from the board shown above so it looks like back to the planning stage for the second board :-[ :doh:

depending on the date you're depicting could you carry on the slightly overgrown feel onto the station board with the sidings coming to the board edge continued over the join into the undergrowth as a station that's not being cared for it quite as well as it used to be?

this should soften the transition without too much remedial work?
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on October 20, 2016, 02:58:27 PM
That's no bad idea.
 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Black Sheep on October 20, 2016, 04:45:36 PM
don't forget the obligatory wagon held in place with the weeds that everyone's forgotten about that may or may not have become a secret break room :)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Milton Rail on October 20, 2016, 10:25:49 PM
Just picked my thorough this thread (in a manner of speaking) ....... cracking stuff Mick ... I can learn from a lot of this!

but I think the "incontinent contortionist" is my pick of the bunch for top quip :)  love it :)  :admiration:

Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on October 20, 2016, 10:32:24 PM
don't forget the obligatory wagon held in place with the weeds that everyone's forgotten about that may or may not have become a secret break room :)


@Black Sheep (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1230)
I've just noticed your location. You do realise the whole building is riddled with listening devices courtesy of da Leyland Massive? :-X
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Black Sheep on October 20, 2016, 11:37:26 PM
I've been under every floorboard and every nook and cranny in this house - I didn't want to buy it as I could see it was too much work for us (we're in year 4 of a 2 year house renovation) so I know there are no devices.

I wanted to get a little plaque for next to the door saying 'The Yorkshire Embassy' as a joke but Millie wouldn't let me, we compromised on 'Downton Shabby' but never got round to getting the plaque made and so just have the house number
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on October 21, 2016, 04:06:41 AM
 :laughabovepost: :smiley-laughing:
 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on October 21, 2016, 04:09:40 AM
Geez who's up early then  :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on October 21, 2016, 04:12:56 AM
Geez who's up early then  :D

Yeah - I dunno why but I woke up with an idea for some carriage destination boards for my 'Kimbolted' layout which will involve printing them out on label paper and wanted to get it down on paper in case, come the morning, my brain cell had forgotten it ::)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: daveg on October 21, 2016, 05:57:51 AM
...wanted to get it down on paper in case, come the morning, my brain cell had forgotten it ::)

Know exactly what you mean,Mick.

My current problem is I can't remember why I got up so early!  :worried:

Dave G
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on October 21, 2016, 05:59:40 AM
Sometimes I worry about you two  ;)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Black Sheep on October 21, 2016, 12:18:32 PM
 :laughabovepost: Only sometimes?   :bounce:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: daveg on October 21, 2016, 02:29:31 PM
:laughabovepost: Only sometimes?   :bounce:

Yeah! Part-timer!  :moony:  :wave:

Dave G
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: DaveGlew on February 01, 2018, 06:38:14 PM
Thanks All,
I've made a cardinal error in making the track plan on the next board (station,goods yard and loco shed) without thinking too much about the continuation of the scenery from the board shown above so it looks like back to the planning stage for the second board :-[ :doh:
Hi, I have been reading your progress on this layout today but the story stopped rather abruptly, just as it was getting really good - I was particularly interested in how the station board worked out. Did you finish the layout and if so, have I missed the concluding blog?
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on February 01, 2018, 08:14:40 PM
Sorry, Dave, but a series of ricked muscles and desertion of my mojo has meant no further progress on the 2nd (station) board. I can hardly ignore the layout as the two scenic boards are sat on trestles in my lounge. I am looking again at the small terminus plan to see what I can improve and am hoping a trip to the Stafford Show this weekend will prod my mojo into returning.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: DaveGlew on February 01, 2018, 08:17:14 PM
The Stafford Show has a good lineup so you should surely find inspiration
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on February 01, 2018, 08:28:42 PM
I wouldn't exactly call myself @Malc (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=497)  and @daveg (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1087) a good line up  :no:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on February 01, 2018, 08:38:04 PM
More like the three stooges  ;D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on February 01, 2018, 08:40:00 PM
How very dare you. Get back in your box :telloff: ;)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Malc on February 01, 2018, 09:33:59 PM
I wouldn't exactly call myself @Malc ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=497[/url])  and @daveg ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1087[/url]) a good line up  :no:  :laugh:
I resemble that remark!!!  🤪🤪
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: daveg on February 02, 2018, 07:33:31 AM
All I can say to that is:

 :P  :censored: and  :moony:

See you Sunday!

Dave G
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on February 02, 2018, 07:36:35 AM
Piccies please!  :thumbsup:

But no comedy routines  :no:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Big bad John on February 02, 2018, 08:51:53 AM
I'll take my video camera then, there may be some money to be made from a three stooges video going viral on you tube (or black mail )  :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on May 10, 2018, 08:21:34 PM
Spent some time (and foul language) putting togther a control panel for 'Bletchford'. The carcass is 5mm ply braced with 15mm square stripwood with the front covered in 210gsm white card + plastic sheet and the track plan set out in 6mm pin striping tape on the card. The 'studs' are M4 bolts screwed through and fastened with nuts behind (thanks to @Malc (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=497) for the idea). The front folds down on a 300mm continuous hinge and the internal wiring will be via 4mm crimped connectors. It is fairly cheap and cheerful and will win no prizes but I'm hoping it will do the job.
I goofed a bit by drilling the holes for the bolts too close together and, for one moment, thought I'd have a lot of rework but then had an  :idea: If the crimps look like touching I'll just wind another nut onto the bolt to separate them enough to prevent mysterious shorting :D

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/264-100518200619-651601134.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/264-100518200619-651602069.jpeg)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Train Waiting on May 10, 2018, 08:51:59 PM
That looks like a terrific control panel, NPN.  :thumbsup:  And you're the person that claims to panic at the thought of all things electrical...

 :beers:

John
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Malc on May 10, 2018, 08:53:22 PM
Looking good,Mick, you are getting there. Are you going to have an open day with some celebrity operating the board? You could try Liz Hurley.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on May 10, 2018, 08:56:39 PM
That looks like a terrific control panel, NPN.  :thumbsup:  And you're the person that claims to panic at the thought of all things electrical...

 :beers:

John

Ah - but I haven't put any wires in it yet, John :worried:

You could try Liz Hurley.

Only crosses my mind several times a day, Malc :heart2:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on May 10, 2018, 08:58:58 PM
Looks good. I hope you have more success with the wiring than I'm having at the moment.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: daveg on May 10, 2018, 09:13:30 PM
Looks fine to me, Mick.

Good luck with the wiring.

Dave G
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: DaveGlew on May 11, 2018, 05:31:43 PM
Have fun (and confidence) with the wiring........... its fun really..... honest!!
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: themadhippy on May 11, 2018, 06:30:47 PM
indeed wiring is easy,especialy if you follow the simple rules
Red to Red
Black to Black
stuff the rest in the back
Or
Red to Red
Black to Black
Blue to bits
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Train Waiting on May 11, 2018, 06:44:17 PM
That takes me back, thank you.

I was taught:

Brown to green.

Green to brown.

And blue to .... (shall we say France as a euphemism for the vulgarity of Andy the Electrician?)

John
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on May 11, 2018, 08:17:22 PM
With a total of 15 points on the layout I've now decided I may need some form of numbering against each point so will print out some numbers on label paper and..................remove all the bolts/backing nuts etc to stick the numbers to the card under the plastic sheet :doh:

I really should have thought this through.

Still, it's good practice as I have 2 further control panels to build for the big layout in the mancave and, who knows, I might even learn from such mistakes :-\
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: wookie on May 11, 2018, 08:43:41 PM
Looks good Mick.
The wiring will be a breeze, I have faith in you  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on May 11, 2018, 08:45:10 PM
Mistakes do not exist, there are learning steps. :)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on May 11, 2018, 08:48:27 PM
Mistakes do not exist, there are learning steps. :)

Thanks to an over-indulgence of gripe water I did't learn any steps until I was 1½ years old, and subsequent over-indulgence in real ales and Southern Comfort means I have forgotten them :-[
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on May 11, 2018, 08:56:12 PM
OK, forget the steps, call them stumbles. :)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on May 12, 2018, 03:23:25 PM
2½ hours of rework and the points are all numbered. Very laborious undoing every bolt/nut etc by hand*
I just typed the numbers onto a piece of label paper, printed it off, cut every number out with scissors and then separated the backing with the point of a craft knife. For the superstitious amongst you numbers 9 and (of course) 13 drew blood :ouch:
Then everything had to be re-assembled but I'm sure that, further along, this work will prove to have been well worthwhile.
* The plastic sheet I use is a produce called 'Liteglaze' which is prone to splitting, as can be seen at the lower extremities of the track plan. Therefore I drilled all holes with a hand drill as it gave me more control over speed and pressure, and screwed/unscrewed everything by hand tools as well.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/264-120518151449-65199682.jpeg)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Jerry Howlett on May 12, 2018, 05:00:50 PM
I drew mine with a black marker pen....   Dinosaur man.

Jerry
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on June 05, 2018, 03:43:07 PM
Thanks again to @Malc (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=497) for his solderless way to build the control panel. Here's a pic of the inside showing some electric string with all the 15 points 'studs' connected. I'm expecting a CDU with screw terminals from Rails tomorrow so that will also be incarcerated within the 'black box'........

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/264-050618153309-660481604.jpeg)

The horizontal wires are connections between the 2 points of a loop which will requiring firing together.

And the rear of the panel (whoever invented pluggable terminal block - thank you!).....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/264-050618153310-66048268.jpeg)

Professional it ain't but it should function as I need it to. :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Papyrus on June 05, 2018, 05:19:49 PM
That's a helluva lot neater than the inside of my control panel.  :(

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Innovationgame on June 05, 2018, 07:16:37 PM
That looks brilliant to me, Mick.  :beers:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Malc on June 05, 2018, 07:57:04 PM
Glad it’s coming along. Any more thoughts about Liz Hurley doing the official opening?
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: port perran on June 05, 2018, 08:04:32 PM
Looks good to me.
However, if it’s electric string I can suggest an even easier solution......just tie knots - simples  :D
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on June 05, 2018, 08:44:03 PM
Any more thoughts about Liz Hurley doing the official opening?

At least once a day :heart2:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on June 05, 2018, 08:44:16 PM
Nice looking spaghetti.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Jerry Howlett on June 06, 2018, 06:02:31 AM

A great bit of elektrickery there Mick!   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Pluggable terminal blocks !!!

Now you tell me......   Where from ?

4 mini panels with so much squeezed into them at the monment with one to go...  I nearly went back to hand operated points.

Jerry
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Bealman on June 06, 2018, 06:15:14 AM
Can I come to the opening with Liz?
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 06, 2018, 07:07:11 AM
 :laughabovepost: Me too.

Nice looking electricals. Blimey NN you have a Black Box too? Does this mean that you will be able to perform a detailed accident investigation when there is a crash following malfunctioning points? (Remember to paint it bright orange).
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on June 06, 2018, 08:45:27 AM
Pluggable terminal blocks !!!

Now you tell me......   Where from ?



@Jerry Howlett (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=276)
Hi Jerry,
Wonderful stuff!
https://www.rapidonline.com/CamdenBoss-CTSN431-12MF-8mm-12-Way-Male-Female-Terminal-Strip-6A-21-2496?IncVat=1&pdg=pla-337192793166:kwd-337192793166:cmp-757438067:adg-44804851896:crv-207912323492:pid-21-2496:dev-c&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzbSm8cS-2wIV4r3tCh32jwLwEAQYByABEgKuvvD_BwE (https://www.rapidonline.com/CamdenBoss-CTSN431-12MF-8mm-12-Way-Male-Female-Terminal-Strip-6A-21-2496?IncVat=1&pdg=pla-337192793166:kwd-337192793166:cmp-757438067:adg-44804851896:crv-207912323492:pid-21-2496:dev-c&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIzbSm8cS-2wIV4r3tCh32jwLwEAQYByABEgKuvvD_BwE)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Jerry Howlett on June 06, 2018, 03:29:35 PM
@Newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264)  so the rest of the "pushy in" connectors, did you get them from the same source ?

I am regretting all those hours of fally apart soldery stuff.

Jerry
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on June 06, 2018, 03:52:27 PM
so the rest of the "pushy in" connectors, did you get them from the same source ?



@Jerry Howlett (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=276)
Sorry, Jerry. Not sure what you mean there :confused2:
The studs are M4 bolts and then everything inside the black box is just nuts, washers, nylock nuts and crimp connections. Malc supplied some of these and the rest I just sourced from Screwfix.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Jerry Howlett on June 06, 2018, 05:04:29 PM
Do the Crimp connectors fit into the Terminal strip  ?

Screw fix..... if only...…..


OK may be too much for the day.  I may need to lay down for an hour.

Jerry
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on June 06, 2018, 06:14:22 PM
Do the Crimp connectors fit into the Terminal strip  ?

Screw fix..... if only...…..


The crimp connectors won't fit the terminal strip, Jerry (see below)
https://www.screwfix.com/p/insulated-crimp-red-ring-4mm-pack-of-100/23174?_requestid=374147 (https://www.screwfix.com/p/insulated-crimp-red-ring-4mm-pack-of-100/23174?_requestid=374147)

I would have thought if you have a half decent DIY place within striking distance they'll have packs of M4 bolts, washers, nuts etc but if you really struggle I'll happily source the stuff here and send it out to you. Mind you, it could cost a fair bit in postage :worried:

Pluggable terminal block.....

 You just put wires in each hole in the terminal strip and tighten up the bolt. It's just like a piece of 'choc block' except you can part the 2 halves. In the pic of the rear of the control panel the wires go through the back of the box into the top 'male' half (male in as much as it has a prong, being polite). The lower half of the block is the 'female' in that it has a hole to accept the prong (am I digging a hole here? :uneasy:) such that the panel can be removed/connected to the layout by just separating the block.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Jerry Howlett on June 06, 2018, 08:39:34 PM
Thanks Mick, I get the idea.  Of course I use standard terminal block connectors. I can even get them here ,except when I wanted 12 ...That was a special order... 

The way the post is going it would be quicker to fly you over with the bits....

Anyway I will study your design / notes and I am very lucky in that I have Alex (AKA Hailstone) living near our sons place so he will source the unsourceable "to me" for me.   :D :D :D

We also are friends with a delivery guy who comes this way and will normally bring stuff over for a few beers / or a meal .

Thanks again  Mick @Newportnobby (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=264)  for the offer.

Jerry
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on June 06, 2018, 08:44:44 PM
Make your own chocbloc connectors. 1.5 or 2.5 solid mains wire cut to length to suit the chocblocs. One white chocbloc, one black one, choose which will be permanently wired with the mains wire and off you go!
If you're using screw crimp terminals it's quite a good idea to get terminals which are slipped on the ends of the wire, multistrand variety, which are then crimped by the screw onto the wire. It makes for a better connection.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on June 06, 2018, 08:45:19 PM
Thanks Mick, I get the idea. 

Phew :sweat:
I was dreading falling foul of them thar moderators :laugh:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Malc on June 06, 2018, 09:56:14 PM
If you're using screw crimp terminals it's quite a good idea to get terminals which are slipped on the ends of the wire, multistrand variety, which are then crimped by the screw onto the wire. It makes for a better connection.
If I understand, I think you are referring to bootlace ferrules. Loads on eBay.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on June 06, 2018, 09:59:36 PM
If you're using screw crimp terminals it's quite a good idea to get terminals which are slipped on the ends of the wire, multistrand variety, which are then crimped by the screw onto the wire. It makes for a better connection.
If I understand, I think you are referring to bootlace ferrules. Loads on eBay.

Thank you for the technical term :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Lawrence on June 07, 2018, 09:14:49 PM
If you are using bootlace ferrules, can I suggest also buying a set of these https://www.rapidonline.com/knipex-13-01-160-electricians-pliers-160mm-50-9413 (https://www.rapidonline.com/knipex-13-01-160-electricians-pliers-160mm-50-9413)
I know they are not cheap, but I have been using the same set at work for the last 4 years, and they have had 10s of thousands of ferrules of different sizes through them and still look as good as new.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on June 09, 2018, 01:38:25 PM
Ideally I would have liked to fit the CDU in an upright position at the left of the interior but thanks to Gaugemaster locating one of the fixing holes virtually underneath one of the capacitors there was no way I could see to mark where to drill so it's on the 'back wall' now ::)
Sorry about the fuzzy pic. Too many caffeinated coffees this morning and I couldn't be bothered to take another one :no:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/264-090618133215-66235772.jpeg)
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on June 11, 2018, 02:02:17 PM
Interior wiring done now the CD is wired up.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/264-110618135710-66301595.jpeg)

Exterior wiring with stubs of wire where necessary to remind me what goes where when the wiring comes off the layout :dunce:
A nice memory of Peter Charles Fagg who, in the last few months of his life, sent me the Peco probe.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/264-110618135710-66301926.jpeg)

Just need to find a small clasp fitting for holding the lid closed.
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Innovationgame on June 11, 2018, 03:08:27 PM
Are you going to use the breadboard as a turntable?
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Train Waiting on June 11, 2018, 03:45:30 PM
That looks like absolutely splendid wiring and electrical arrangements, Mick.  I rather suspected that you were having us on with your comments about your wiring phobia!

Although I belong in the 'spring drive' era of model railways, I can appreciate the excellence of your work.  I assume that Volts travel along the white wires and Amps use the yellow/green wires.

 :greatwork:

John
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: port perran on June 11, 2018, 05:15:01 PM
That looks like absolutely splendid wiring and electrical arrangements, Mick.  I rather suspected that you were having us on with your comments about your wiring phobia!

Although I belong in the 'spring drive' era of model railways, I can appreciate the excellence of your work.  I assume that Volts travel along the white wires and Amps use the yellow/green wires.

 :greatwork:

John
But where does the battery go?
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Caz on June 11, 2018, 06:38:34 PM
That looks like absolutely splendid wiring and electrical arrangements, Mick.  I rather suspected that you were having us on with your comments about your wiring phobia!

Although I belong in the 'spring drive' era of model railways, I can appreciate the excellence of your work.  I assume that Volts travel along the white wires and Amps use the yellow/green wires.

 :greatwork:

John
But where does the battery go?

I was thinking more on the lines of where does the key go!   ::) 
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on June 11, 2018, 08:51:13 PM
Are you going to use the breadboard as a turntable?

Crumbs! I never thought of that!

I rather suspected that you were having us on with your comments about your wiring phobia!


Wait until you see what goes on under the layout, John :worried:


But where does the battery go?

I was thinking more on the lines of where does the key go!   ::) 

How very dare you?!!
Even I think I'm one step above clockwork :P
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Mito on June 11, 2018, 09:23:14 PM
I thought the wires were there to pull the trains along. :doh:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Newportnobby on June 11, 2018, 09:24:39 PM
Infamy. Infamy. They've all got it in for me :'(
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: keithbythe sea on June 12, 2018, 07:20:11 AM
I’ll say it!

Nice spaghetti NN, good neat job!  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Bletchford (continued from Layout Planning)
Post by: Leon on October 07, 2018, 07:25:12 PM
One side of the ID Backscene set has been fitted (but not trimmed yet) to the scenic board and, by using this, I hope to be able to blend in the trees, more bushes etc such that nothing looks horribly out of place :hmmm: Corners have been angled to avoid any 90 degree nooks. The camera flash has made the fields look lighter than they are................

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Your back scene is excellent! I don't think I can get there, but I'll do my best. If your blending of colors isn't perfect, it's near enough that I'd never know the difference!

Leon