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General Category => Real Railway Discussion => Topic started by: 4x2 on May 30, 2014, 04:07:15 PM

Title: Pre war GWR in colou.... Can anyone recommend a good book ?
Post by: 4x2 on May 30, 2014, 04:07:15 PM
I'm looking for a book with colour pics of GWR branchlines....

Any ideas please !

 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Pre war GWR in colou.... Can anyone recommend a good book ?
Post by: Oldun on May 30, 2014, 04:14:58 PM
Don't know of any books but, if its pictures your after, try these:

http://www.gwr.org.uk/liveries.html (http://www.gwr.org.uk/liveries.html)

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/6-livy/br/9-br-4864.htm#top (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/6-livy/br/9-br-4864.htm#top)

Hope they are of some use to you.

Roger
Title: Re: Pre war GWR in colou.... Can anyone recommend a good book ?
Post by: 4x2 on May 30, 2014, 06:15:27 PM
Don't know of any books but, if its pictures your after, try these:

[url]http://www.gwr.org.uk/liveries.html[/url] ([url]http://www.gwr.org.uk/liveries.html[/url])

[url]http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/6-livy/br/9-br-4864.htm#top[/url] ([url]http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/gansg/6-livy/br/9-br-4864.htm#top[/url])

Hope they are of some use to you.

Roger
Very useful stuff - many thanks !  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Pre war GWR in colou.... Can anyone recommend a good book ?
Post by: gc4946 on May 30, 2014, 07:00:56 PM
David Jenkinson's book "The big four in colour, 1935-50" (Pendragon Press, 1994, reprinted 1999) has p.105-130 devoted to photos of the GWR taken from 1935, but very few include branch or secondary line scenes.
Pages 179-82 includes photos of some of the steam loco liveries applied just after nationalisation, including the short-lived blue scheme.

However the photos show that the GWR wasn't always spick and span as many of us think it is or was ...
Title: Re: Pre war GWR in colou.... Can anyone recommend a good book ?
Post by: port perran on May 30, 2014, 07:47:59 PM
Not at all sure there are many with colour pictures of GWR branchlines.
I have plenty in B&W though.
Title: Re: Pre war GWR in colou.... Can anyone recommend a good book ?
Post by: 4x2 on May 30, 2014, 08:04:07 PM
Not at all sure there are many with colour pictures of GWR branchlines.
I have plenty in B&W though.
Me too... All black and white - hence the topic !
Title: Re: Pre war GWR in colou.... Can anyone recommend a good book ?
Post by: Newportnobby on May 30, 2014, 09:11:40 PM
If it's buildings you're after this might be of help...........

http://www.stationcolours.info/ (http://www.stationcolours.info/)
Title: Re: Pre war GWR in colou.... Can anyone recommend a good book ?
Post by: 4x2 on May 30, 2014, 11:01:59 PM
If it's buildings you're after this might be of help...........

[url]http://www.stationcolours.info/[/url] ([url]http://www.stationcolours.info/[/url])
Thanks for that link, dug around a bit more and found this.... It's now in the post !

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=201090053399&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:GB:3160 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=201090053399&ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:GB:3160)
Title: Re: Pre war GWR in colou.... Can anyone recommend a good book ?
Post by: Newportnobby on May 31, 2014, 01:04:53 PM
Looks like it will be a lot of help :thumbsup:
I see the ad on Fleabay says someone has bought this item in the last 24 hours so I guess that was you :D
Title: Re: Pre war GWR in colou.... Can anyone recommend a good book ?
Post by: Dorsetmike on May 31, 2014, 01:54:05 PM
Colour film as we know it was not available before about 1936 when Kodak and Agfa introduced it in 35mm, previously  some colour photography did exist but mostly using 3 separate shots taken through different colour filters and combining them when printing, a long and involved and expensive process.

The second world war meant that not much colour film was available to the general public so it was not until the late 1940s and early 50s that it became more readily available but still expensive. It was also not "fast" film, so moving subjects were not as suitable to aim at.

There were quite a few coloured photos (not colour photos) in earlier years - hand coloured with brush and suitable dyes.

So it's not surprising that there are few pre nationalisation colour shots of railway subjects
Title: Re: Pre war GWR in colou.... Can anyone recommend a good book ?
Post by: Malc on May 31, 2014, 06:55:28 PM
You could always take a trip to the GWR at Toddington and see a real station. It's a good day out, especially if you have a trip behind a nicely preserved steamer.
Title: Re: Pre war GWR in colou.... Can anyone recommend a good book ?
Post by: 4x2 on May 31, 2014, 09:30:36 PM
Looks like it will be a lot of help :thumbsup:
I see the ad on Fleabay says someone has bought this item in the last 24 hours so I guess that was you :D
Guilty as charged !

Dorsetmike - Thanks for that info Mike, makes sence as to why there is a lack of pre war colour pics.

Malc - Hi Malc, been there twice already - it's a great line and in my top ten preserved lines, have a great memory of a prarie blowing it's whistle and it echoing around the hill side with the faint clackty clack of wheels in the background.... Awesome !
Title: Re: Pre war GWR in colou.... Can anyone recommend a good book ?
Post by: EtchedPixels on May 31, 2014, 09:34:38 PM
A lot of it also comes down to simply reading through all the written material we have on the subject. A lot of the paint and livery instruction is minuted in some detail.

GWR stone colours are a complicated saga of their own, and in fact discussion of GWR stone colours is a good way to start a fight in a heritage railway bar, especially on the matter of GWR stone no. 1.

Generally though it's believed to be

Stone No. 1 and Stone No. 3 prior to about 1930, Stone No. 2 taking over around then. The chocolate used for a few things like doors and rarely window sashes in certain periods being the same as the loco colour. From about 1931 a maroon/brown colour was used for heavily wearing items - bottom planking of wood, stair risers etc. There is a "GWR stone no.1 was only ever an undercoat" faction. They might be right too 8)

The general consensus seems to be that the current Didcot is probably right, and the precision paints are probably fairly close.

The actual GWR colour painting rules were very precisely laid down as to what was what colour. It was not always followed, and there were also special cases (eg Culham was light green by local agreement)

http://www.carrog-station.moonfruit.com/download/i/mark_dl/u/4011868537/4592970747/INSTRUCTIONS%20FOR%20PAINTING%20BUILDINGS%20AND%20STRUCTURES.pdf (http://www.carrog-station.moonfruit.com/download/i/mark_dl/u/4011868537/4592970747/INSTRUCTIONS%20FOR%20PAINTING%20BUILDINGS%20AND%20STRUCTURES.pdf)

may be of interest.