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Title: A new layout in the making
Post by: Newportnobby on May 13, 2014, 03:35:09 PM
I’m taking a break from my main layout (Kimbolted) in order to put together a smaller portable layout which, hopefully, I can get to a standard suitable for another NGF meet up. :hmmm:
The idea is to learn/hone any skills and to try out various different methods of ballasting, point operation, building construction etc such that I can transfer the knowledge to the large layout when I am happy with the end results. Having some spare wood/sundeala/code 55 track & points, the intention is to create 3 baseboards each 3ft x 1½ft that I can fit in the back of my Ford Siesta.

Board 1
A simple ladder fiddle yard, so no image worth showing

Board 2
A scenic board with a single track winding over an embankment with road bridges both over and under - the road leading to the station on the 3rd board. I have not really got to grips with SCARM properly so this is all I have at present :-[…….

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/Bletchford/Dir_1/medium_12429.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12429)
 
Board 3
The main board with station, goods shed/yard to the right and loco shed to the left……………..

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
 
Although drawn out in set track, all trackwork will be code 55 streamline

I am keeping the track plan as simple as possible as the intention is to practice kit building and scenery construction methods in the main. Unfortunately I can’t seem to open the ‘Objects’ file in SCARM to add buildings/platform. :doh:

The layout, due to the rolling stock I have, is set in a fictitious location on the borders of the LMR and ER in the transition era (but mainly small diesels and DMU’s so is tentatively named ‘Bletchford’. It will be analogue operated and I intend to try out Cobalt motors for the points.

Currently I have MR and ER green DMU’s (101 and 108 2-3 car), Sulzer/Brush/BRCW Type 2 locos but could have the odd visit of EE Type 1/EE Type 3/Brush Type 4.

Progress so far
I have constructed the fiddle yard and main station boards from timber covered with 9mm sundeala. More timber will be purchased for the scenic board which will be of open construction, and bullet dowels and spring latches have been ordered from Station Road Baseboards for accurate (?) alignment. Hopefully I will also have enough spare 1.5mm rubber underlay from Kimbolted to use on Bletchford.

As things become constructed I will post updates in that section along with full details of successes/failures.

Thank you for reading this.
 :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: ColinH on May 13, 2014, 03:56:45 PM
Looking forward to hearing all about your progress with this one Nobby.
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: MinZaPint on May 13, 2014, 05:29:43 PM
Great idea, nice plan but where's the Steamies?  :A1Tornado: in case you've forgotten what they look like  ;D
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: talisman56 on May 13, 2014, 05:55:13 PM
A nice simple layout - lots of scenic possibilities. :)  Keep us posted, and as ever...  :photospleasesign:
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Geoff on May 13, 2014, 06:49:41 PM
Well Mick that is an ideal thing to do while you are slowly recuperating, looking forward to your progress.
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: port perran on May 13, 2014, 07:57:36 PM
Great idea. Keep us posted as to progress.
I'm considering something similar as an extension to Port Perran that can be run as a separate layout if need be. I like the idea of the track winding over an embankment with both over and under bridges. It's very much what I want to do with the extension so will be very interested to see how you get on.
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Jack on May 13, 2014, 08:13:40 PM
I walk a similar path so I wish you well with your endeavor Mick.

You've also got me thinking about trying Colbart motors again.  :hmmm:  I did ponder them a few years ago but with over 20 points at the time I thought otherwise but with a small layout in the planing I might revisit the idea again.  :hmmm:
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Newportnobby on May 21, 2014, 09:43:29 AM
I seem to have spent ages looking for a trestle/pasting table on t'interweb that I can use for (a) working at a reasonable height on the layout (I suffer from a weak back) and (b) one that will fit into my Ford Siesta for possible exhibition use.
When attached together the total board length is just under 9ft and the longest I've found is a Rodo Pro Dec Multi Purpose Paste Table which is still only 6ft 6in long.
Believe me, I am no carpenter so don't want to make legs for the boards :no:

Has anyone sourced such a thing please? Main criteria:-
Must be of suitable length
Must be of firm footing
Must fold down to get in the back of a small car

 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: javlinfaw7 on May 21, 2014, 10:26:06 AM
3 metre aluminium pastetable available on ebay ,buy it now £34.95
Folds to 1 metre length
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Newportnobby on May 21, 2014, 11:26:54 AM
Many thanks for the prompt reply regarding......

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LARGE-3M-LONG-3-SECTION-FOLDING-WALL-PAPER-PASTING-TABLE-NEW-THREE-METRE-TRESTLE-/370723995511?pt=UK_Home_Garden_LivingRoomFurniture_EH&hash=item5650df3f77 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LARGE-3M-LONG-3-SECTION-FOLDING-WALL-PAPER-PASTING-TABLE-NEW-THREE-METRE-TRESTLE-/370723995511?pt=UK_Home_Garden_LivingRoomFurniture_EH&hash=item5650df3f77)

However, it is only 77cms tall and I could really do with something half as tall again :(
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Bealman on May 21, 2014, 11:42:06 AM
Just took a look at this courtesy Wetherspoon WiFi. Good little project, Mick!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Malc on May 21, 2014, 11:56:49 AM
I made my table out of some 2 X 2 and used bolts to fix it together. It is a sensible size so I can sit in my swivel chair and work on it. I needed to make it collapsible as my layout in in the loft with very steep stairs. I also hinged the layout to the frame so I can lift the whole kit and kaboodle up from one side or the other.
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: javlinfaw7 on May 21, 2014, 12:58:25 PM
Because of their main use paste tables don't normally come taller than 80cm , I cannot think of any other solution at moment
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: ColinH on May 21, 2014, 02:16:02 PM
I seem to have spent ages looking for a trestle/pasting table on t'interweb that I can use for (a) working at a reasonable height on the layout (I suffer from a weak back) and (b) one that will fit into my Ford Siesta for possible exhibition use.
When attached together the total board length is just under 9ft and the longest I've found is a Rodo Pro Dec Multi Purpose Paste Table which is still only 6ft 6in long.
Believe me, I am no carpenter so don't want to make legs for the boards :no:

Has anyone sourced such a thing please? Main criteria:-
Must be of suitable length
Must be of firm footing
Must fold down to get in the back of a small car

 :thankyousign:
Could you buy two then split one in half by unscrewing the hinges? The half table could then somehow be bolted to the end of the full table to secure it.
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: ChrisB on May 24, 2014, 08:39:30 AM
Will the layout be a separate construction that you will place on the trestles or will it be made from the trestles/pasting table.
If the main layout is a separate construction and you're just placing the layout on top then you could use these.
http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/80150095/# (http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/80150095/#)
Very sturdy and are height adjustable to boot. From 71 to 93 cms
You could also fit a board on top of 2 of them to make your own trestle tables. If fixed to the bit that slides you could make it portable. Not sure how it would all fit in a Fiesta though :)
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Newportnobby on May 24, 2014, 10:29:35 AM
Thanks for that.
Problem is I would need 3 of them I reckon = £75 :goggleeyes:
I also suspect I'd need to assemble them each time for use otherwise I need a bigger car, and being retired and on a fixed income, that just isn't going to happen :(

Not much further progress on the layout - bullet alignment dowels fitted to each board and curved trackbed cut from Sundeala for the middle scenic board.
Track and points sorted out for all the boards (code 55 streamline).
I'm hoping I have enough spare rubber underlay to do all the boards and have some left over to create the road surfaces :worried:
Shopping list being composed in preparation for the Wigan show in 2 weeks time :D
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: jonclox on May 24, 2014, 11:13:33 AM
Reads good. Heres hoping it all works out ok.
Have a squint at Fleebay there are quite a few legs that would suit your needs I recon (or you might be able to design something from looking at the options shown.
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Trev on May 24, 2014, 11:39:03 AM
I picked up one of these tables for £10 at a local market
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Vono-folding-table-/261480079365?pt=UK_Home_Garden_LivingRoomFurniture_EH&hash=item3ce16d6005 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Vono-folding-table-/261480079365?pt=UK_Home_Garden_LivingRoomFurniture_EH&hash=item3ce16d6005)

I use it for my small layout (4ft x 2ft).  It's a perfect height as it's designed for people to sit at while playing cards and as it fold flat, it will be very easy to take to an exhibition if I want to.
Under my layout, I added 2 strips of wood, the same width as the table so that the layout can slid off but that's it.  Simple.

I don't see why a longer layout couldn't be place on there possibly up to 6fe x 3ft so long as it is massively heavy.
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Newportnobby on May 24, 2014, 02:09:11 PM
Thanks, Trev, but when the layout is fully erected it is nearly 9ft long (and 20" wide).
The height at 67cm is way too low, as I want to work on the layout without ricking my back and, if it gets to any shows, I don't want folks to be looking down at it as if they're in a helicopter :no:
Looks like I may be forced into making some legs for it :doh:
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: ChrisB on May 24, 2014, 02:32:48 PM
If you're quick you could pick these builders trestles for not very much.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Builder-trestle-carpenter-trestles-work-bench-DIY-trestles-saw-horse-trestles-/390847372796?pt=UK_H_G_Ladders_RL&hash=item5b00519dfc (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Builder-trestle-carpenter-trestles-work-bench-DIY-trestles-saw-horse-trestles-/390847372796?pt=UK_H_G_Ladders_RL&hash=item5b00519dfc)
2 for£1.40 !!!

Height adjustable (81 - 130 cm) , foldable and sturdy

There seem to be a fair few of these about. Plus they'll take 200kg ! which is one heck of a layout :)
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Newportnobby on May 24, 2014, 02:55:17 PM
They look good - thanks Trev.
However, someone has set an automatic bid on the damned things and I just can't be ar bothered with getting into a bidding war on Fleabay >:(
I'll see if I can find those elsewhere :thumbsup:
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Newportnobby on May 25, 2014, 02:07:02 PM
Some small works done today to see what fits where. It seems (more by luck than judgment) I have enough rubber underlay left to do all the boards :sweat:
All track is just loosely plonked for now :-[

The main station/yard board

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12624.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12624)

Everything without underlay will be scenic - buildings, roads, trees etc.

By dint of using all my spare points (medium & small) I can manage a 6 road fiddle yard with 1 reception road. The roads are relatively small but then so is the layout :D
The plain board are at the back of the fiddle yard will be used for such things as servicing locos, rolling road and general running (or in my case, limping) repairs

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12623.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12623)

Thanks for staying with it :wave:
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Sprintex on May 25, 2014, 03:30:52 PM
Coming along nicely :)

It seems (more by luck than judgment) I have enough rubber underlay left to do all the boards :sweat:

If you'd have run out I'm sure George could have got you some extra from where he's staying . . . might need a wash though ;)


Paul
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Caz on May 25, 2014, 03:32:44 PM
Coming along nicely :)

It seems (more by luck than judgment) I have enough rubber underlay left to do all the boards :sweat:

If you'd have run out I'm sure George could have got you some extra from where he's staying . . . might need a wash though ;)

Paul


 :laughabovepost:    :laughabovepost:    :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Newportnobby on May 25, 2014, 04:33:06 PM
Coming along nicely :)

It seems (more by luck than judgment) I have enough rubber underlay left to do all the boards :sweat:

If you'd have run out I'm sure George could have got you some extra from where he's staying . . . might need a wash though ;)


Paul

 :sick2: :smackedface:
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Bealman on May 25, 2014, 07:38:01 PM
None of that is funny  >:D
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Black Sheep on October 19, 2016, 02:50:21 PM
did you ever sort out your leg length issues?

A friend is using IKEA wooden trestles for his loft layout, they have a range of adjustment in them being intended for desk legs but I think would be long enough to create a 'standing desk' They don't fold (they will shrink in height)

I've got a metal sawing trestle I got from screwfix while doing house renovation (laying a new wooden floor) that comes up to a reasonable height, think it was £15 for one
at it's lowest setting it's slightly taller than a black and decker workmate's highest setting with a fair bit of adjustment to go taller.
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Newportnobby on October 19, 2016, 03:05:07 PM
did you ever sort out your leg length issues?



@Black Sheep (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1230)

 ???
Oh, sorry, you meant the layout legs :doh:
The layout proper has moved over to the link for 'Bletchford' at the bottom of my posts, but to answer your question, 'Yes', I got 3 x Draper height adjustable trestles (I think I paid £21 each) and they are excellent.
 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: A new layout in the making
Post by: Black Sheep on October 19, 2016, 03:15:30 PM
did you ever sort out your leg length issues?



@Black Sheep ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1230[/url])

 ???
Oh, sorry, you meant the layout legs :doh:
The layout proper has moved over to the link for 'Bletchford' at the bottom of my posts, but to answer your question, 'Yes', I got 3 x Draper height adjustable trestles (I think I paid £21 each) and they are excellent.
 :thankyousign:


ah, I'm having a catch up on here with people's projects, having bookmarked everyone's layouts who's been kind enough to comment on my project - I'll get there eventually!
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