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Title: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Jenko on April 06, 2014, 08:06:47 PM
Hi,

After some months getting ideas and planning a layout I have actually started the construction.

I managed to get permission from SWMBO for a 4x2 foot coffee table which I have pushed to 1450x750mm now  ;). This will be built into a custom built oak framed coffee table, glazed on top and on all 4 sides. I have decided to go DCC with this and am currently researching this area.

Although this will be a slow project (time and funds limited) it's great to have made a start.

Original planning post here: http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=20265.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=20265.0)

Baseboard constructed with 9mm ply and 69x34mm timbers for the frame. Although they are not easily visible there are holes drilled through the 3 centre cross members to run the bus wiring through. As this will be within a coffee table I will be having all the controls underneath so there are no holes in the outside frame.

In case anyone wonders why the baseboard and the frame do not sit flush, this is to allow the unit to sit on a routed 'lip' within the oak table frame and hide the cheap softwood.

Anywho, here are the pics so far:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/redlineracer/20140406_144045_zps603a39e1.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/redlineracer/media/20140406_144045_zps603a39e1.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/redlineracer/20140406_144825_zps9406a89f.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/redlineracer/media/20140406_144825_zps9406a89f.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/redlineracer/20140406_152735_zpscd30a593.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/redlineracer/media/20140406_152735_zpscd30a593.jpg.html)

The next step is to get the 2nd level board fixed onto this main board. I hope to get this done in the next few days.
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Newportnobby on April 07, 2014, 01:27:00 AM
Good start, and I'm really looking forward to seeing this come together so please keep the pictures coming :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Bealman on April 07, 2014, 07:29:57 AM
Yes, looking good, Jenko. Keep the progress pics coming!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: jonclox on April 07, 2014, 09:45:27 AM
A busy looking little layout. I like it  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Bealman on April 07, 2014, 11:03:02 AM
Yeah.... I've just been having another look at it.... I presume that the fan of sidings is on the upper level? I'm not trying to crowd things in, but I reckon that would make a really nice picturesque branchline station with a runaround loop.

Don't forget, I am getting on and model BR transition period.

Just a thought, though.

George  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Jenko on April 12, 2014, 08:40:36 PM
Thanks for all the kinds comments.

Yeah.... I've just been having another look at it.... I presume that the fan of sidings is on the upper level? I'm not trying to crowd things in, but I reckon that would make a really nice picturesque branchline station with a runaround loop.

Don't forget, I am getting on and model BR transition period.

Just a thought, though.

George  :thumbsup:


The top right sidings are on the top level. Not sure I could fit a runaround loop up there tbh.

A bit more progress over the last few days:

The mill area is not sitting correctly as there were pins in the way.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/redlineracer/20140412_172409_zpsbf6726e5.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/redlineracer/media/20140412_172409_zpsbf6726e5.jpg.html)

I have now drawn out, on ply, the ramp up to the mill area. Will get this cut out in the next couple of days and fix it to the supports.
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Jenko on April 12, 2014, 08:52:37 PM
Looking at it now, I am concerned about about the gradient of the slope  :worried:
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Bealman on April 13, 2014, 12:10:14 AM
Does look a bit steep..  does the flat bit at the top need to be that high? There seems to be quite a bit of clearance underneath. I assume it will be removable for access?
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Jenko on April 13, 2014, 08:57:49 AM
Does look a bit steep..  does the flat bit at the top need to be that high? There seems to be quite a bit of clearance underneath. I assume it will be removable for access?


Think I might cut down the height of the flat section to reduce the gradient. It won't be removable, but it will have holes cut in the back and sides in case of derailments
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Bealman on April 13, 2014, 09:03:21 AM
That might be a fix!
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: NeMo on April 13, 2014, 09:53:01 AM
Looking at it now, I am concerned about about the gradient of the slope  :worried:
Me too. My first layout was very similar to this in size and design, and the slope was a real problem for some locos. There's something about going up and around a corner that stumps some locomotives. My Dapol Hymek for example used to slip a lot there (though to be fair, it slipped a lot because of damage to the tower gear on one of the bogies). If you're using SeTrack, can you try this out before you commit?

Problem is if you lower the top of the second tier too much, getting at derailments is very hard. Sugar tongs are useful for this if your hands don't fit!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: silly moo on April 13, 2014, 03:40:43 PM
Murphy's First Law of Model Railways states that most derailments happen in a tunnel (especially if access to the train is limited) or when your friends come to view your layout.  :D
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Jenko on April 15, 2014, 06:22:43 PM
Right, after thinking about the gradient some more I decided to chop off 10mm over the entire top mill section. This was the most I felt I could get away with and still be able to get at derailments underneath. I have also now cut holes in the rear of this section to enable me to get my hand in and reach any loco's.

This also meant re-cutting all the incline supports, but they have come out better than before, so that's a bonus.

I have had to cut out a section of the main baseboard at the bottom of the incline so as to get it to sit flush. I have also cut and fixed into position the blocks to support my background, which is the next thing to complete.

It's starting to take a bit more shape now, and the plan I had in my head is starting to come together, which is really cool.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/redlineracer/20140415_180513_zpsf437ce91.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/redlineracer/media/20140415_180513_zpsf437ce91.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/redlineracer/20140415_180526_zps319573d0.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/redlineracer/media/20140415_180526_zps319573d0.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/redlineracer/20140415_180555_zpsf0531b89.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/redlineracer/media/20140415_180555_zpsf0531b89.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/redlineracer/20140415_180611_zps9c5a1302.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/redlineracer/media/20140415_180611_zps9c5a1302.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Newportnobby on April 16, 2014, 12:37:26 AM
Good to see progress continues :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Bealman on April 16, 2014, 02:52:33 AM
Looking good. Do you intend laying a track on the incline and doing a test run? It would be easy enough to do, with a run in from the bottom flat and a run off bit on the top flat, connect a controller and run a few locos with trains up and down and see how they go, to check for haulage, slipping, etc.

Best to check now before going further!
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: jonclox on April 16, 2014, 09:42:29 AM
Looking good. Do you intend laying a track on the incline and doing a test run? It would be easy enough to do, with a run in from the bottom flat and a run off bit on the top flat, connect a controller and run a few locos with trains up and down and see how they go, to check for haulage, slipping, etc.

Best to check now before going further!
In agree.
Theres still a few doubts in my mind as  to whether the inciines are a bit steep. That final sharp bend at the top seems very tight....There again I could be completely wrong. I hope so because it looks a smashing layout so far
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Bealman on April 16, 2014, 10:44:41 AM
Thanks for that! Curves on inclines add extra problems and I wonder what the curvy bit is for before that elevated flat?

Jenko you could swing it out wide to the rear and then lay curves on the level to your scene?
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Lawrence on April 16, 2014, 11:19:03 AM
Great bit of work so far but, like others, I think that little 'S' bend as it hits the top level may cause you problems.  I think it would be worth cutting that piece out and using as straight a section as you can to join the upper level and gradient, might save you a few headaches down the line.
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: fly207lg on April 17, 2014, 08:35:16 AM
Just as an FYI, I put two slopes in my new layout, a shallow climb of 1:25 & a steeper descent of 1:15.5, with the trains only meant to run in one direction.

My old GF poole GP tank barely made it up the shallow climb (before it keeled over forever more), but the latest gen locos (2 Terriers, BachFar J39 & 3F Jinty, all DCC) all can haul a rake of 4 (old) GF 4 wheel coaches (which aren't the smoothest runners & mine all have extra weight in the form of lighting & a battery in each) on lowest speed step without even blinking, with the J39 able to pull 8 coaches. Having tested it for a while I discovered they all did it going the other way too - up the 1:15!

Looks great  :claphappy: - keep the pics coming!
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: fly207lg on April 17, 2014, 08:39:11 AM
... forgot to say, all my climbs include a mix of curves, including #1 radius setback curves & also some points (streamline large electrofrog). All work fine.
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Jenko on April 18, 2014, 03:09:20 PM
Just as an FYI, I put two slopes in my new layout, a shallow climb of 1:25 & a steeper descent of 1:15.5, with the trains only meant to run in one direction.

My old GF poole GP tank barely made it up the shallow climb (before it keeled over forever more), but the latest gen locos (2 Terriers, BachFar J39 & 3F Jinty, all DCC) all can haul a rake of 4 (old) GF 4 wheel coaches (which aren't the smoothest runners & mine all have extra weight in the form of lighting & a battery in each) on lowest speed step without even blinking, with the J39 able to pull 8 coaches. Having tested it for a while I discovered they all did it going the other way too - up the 1:15!

Looks great  :claphappy: - keep the pics coming!


Sounds promising then  :D. I have no old stock at all as I'm new to this and I'm going the DCC route so hopefully all will be fine.

But as people have suggested, I'm going to test run this section first just to make sure. But this will unfortunately be a little while off, as I my total amount of track equals 1 x turnout! Actually that's the entirety of my layout equipment!

If it turns out it doesn't work I will do exactly as a few people have suggested and straighten off the last s bend.

Last bit of work done to the baseboard, I think this is as far as I can go now until I have tested the slope. Need to get track asap!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/redlineracer/20140418_124051_zps74a25b63.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/redlineracer/media/20140418_124051_zps74a25b63.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/redlineracer/20140418_124034_zps6200a7af.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/redlineracer/media/20140418_124034_zps6200a7af.jpg.html)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/redlineracer/20140418_124104_zps03d8fc17.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/redlineracer/media/20140418_124104_zps03d8fc17.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: jonclox on April 18, 2014, 03:20:18 PM
Well it certainly looks nice so far  :thumbsup:
I realy hope it works out as you hope because its going to be a cracking layout  :)
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Jenko on April 18, 2014, 07:32:08 PM
Well it certainly looks nice so far  :thumbsup:
I realy hope it works out as you hope because its going to be a cracking layout  :)

Thank you for the kind comments. So do I, as so far it looks exactly how I pictured it in my head!
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Jenko on June 23, 2014, 02:20:44 PM
I did say this would be a slow project  :D

But there has been some progress. Decided to go with the Metcalfe kits as I didn't really get on with the scale scenes stuff. I'm really impressed with the quality and detail in the Metcalfe kits.

I have got some, but not all of the track, so I decided to have a test lay with what I have got and see where I was going to put my buildings/scenery etc. I'm glad I did this as I have found that I can't fit as much track on the layout as I had first imagined. A couple of sections have had to be removed.

I also decided to make up some cardboard templates of other buildings so that I could come up with an accurate idea of how my layout would look.

I think I have come up with a suitable layout and one that will have a lot of interest without being to busy.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v36/redlineracer/20140622_115106_zps0a5266b0.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/redlineracer/media/20140622_115106_zps0a5266b0.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Newportnobby on June 23, 2014, 02:46:08 PM
Looks like you've been having some fun. Probably like yourself, I can't wait to see trains running :D
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: silly moo on June 23, 2014, 03:00:24 PM
It's looking very good indeed, with very neat woodwork. I'm looking forward to seeing how it progresses.

I think that small layouts are often more of a challenge than large ones, there's quite a lot of planning involved and it's a case of seeing how much you can fit into the space you have.
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Jenko on June 25, 2014, 07:57:45 PM
Looks like you've been having some fun. Probably like yourself, I can't wait to see trains running :D

No I can't, but I am enjoying making the buildings at the mo
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Jenko on June 25, 2014, 07:59:32 PM
It's looking very good indeed, with very neat woodwork. I'm looking forward to seeing how it progresses.

I think that small layouts are often more of a challenge than large ones, there's quite a lot of planning involved and it's a case of seeing how much you can fit into the space you have.

Thank you. Yeah it certainly is a challenge getting in everything I had imagined without over crowding the layout and making it look messy
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Jenko on July 06, 2014, 03:35:05 PM
Can anyone confirm that I am right in saying that the next stages for me are the following and in the correct sequence :

1. Mark where I need to cut slots for the point motors and the cut them
2. Pin down the track
3. Drill holes for drop wires
4. Solder drop wires to track
5. Ballast the track
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: greenlaneman on July 06, 2014, 03:39:25 PM
Play - I mean test the track comprehensively before ballasting ;)
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Jenko on July 06, 2014, 03:42:28 PM
Play - I mean test the track comprehensively before ballasting ;)

Good point! Everything else seem right?
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Dock Shunter on July 06, 2014, 04:12:32 PM
Can anyone confirm that I am right in saying that the next stages for me are the following and in the correct sequence :

1. Mark where I need to cut slots for the point motors and the cut them
2. Pin down the track
3. Drill holes for drop wires
4. Solder drop wires to track
5. Ballast the track

Personally i find it easier to mark on the baseboard were the drop wires are going to go,drill the holes,then solder the droppers to the underside of the track at the same point were you marked your baseboard.Feed droppers through holes as you lay the piece of track.

 :beers:..Ste....
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Sprintex on July 06, 2014, 04:25:02 PM
Ditto . . . :thumbsup:


Paul
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Jenko on July 06, 2014, 04:35:27 PM
I presume this is to make soldering easier?
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Caz on July 06, 2014, 04:42:12 PM
Also makes it neater looking  that wire soldered to the side of the rail, guess how I know, wish I'd have done it when I started.   ;)
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Sprintex on July 06, 2014, 08:45:27 PM
Yes, much easier soldering wire to a single piece of track on the table away from the layout rather than soldering to track already laid :thumbsup:

Plus as Caz says, neater soldering to the underneath of the rail rather than the side, far easier to disguise with ballasting later on ;)

(http://www.sprintexnet.co.uk/Images/res%20081112%20south%20board%20junction.JPG)


Paul
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 06, 2014, 09:35:30 PM
Is thee a reason for the sleeper-less gaps of track? I've often seen them in layouts under construction and Peco sell extra matching sleepers (of which I have more than enough, I hope).
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Sprintex on July 06, 2014, 09:41:42 PM
Yes. With Streamline track there is no provision for rail-joiners in the sleeper webbing underneath as there is with Peco Setrack which has a moulded recess. With Code 80 Streamline you can get away with separating the rail from the sleeper and sliding the rail-joiner on, but it's not ideal and can create bumps in the track. With Code 55 (in the photo above) which has the rail deeply embedded in the sleeper you would never get the rail-joiner on without cutting the end sleepers away. The idea as you say is to fill-in after with the additional sleepers, or do as I did and cheat by cutting discarded sleepers into three parts and gluing them in place separately :D


Paul
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 06, 2014, 09:50:09 PM
Many thanks, Paul, for your quick reply. My first layout, 30 years ago, had Code 80 Streamline and I did, indeed, just slide the rail-joiner on but for Cant Cove I've decided to use only Code 55; hence my question.
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Jenko on July 07, 2014, 10:10:47 PM
Paul, thanks for the picture. That looks really neat and tidy, can see how much easier it will be to disguise with ballast now. Will definitely go this route
Title: Re: Wildwood - 4 x 2 Coffee Table
Post by: Chris in Prague on July 08, 2014, 10:17:53 AM
Yes, definitely soldering the droppers underneath the rail is the way to go even if I have to get someone in to do my soldering! 8-)