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Title: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on January 07, 2014, 04:56:42 PM
Having built up quite a stock of LBSCR locos and been driven mad by Stroudley's livery recently I've been concentrating more on the SECR (you may have seen photos of my H and P class elsewhere on the forum) due to the much simpler livery  :o
Anyway I've just about finished my N Brass C Class:
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9373.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9373)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9374.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9374)

An O Class from Worsley Works is now under construction but this may well end up in original SER lined black.

Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Tank on January 07, 2014, 05:00:48 PM
Stunning!  Owning something with this livery would be a dream.....and would be the only thing to make me model steam.

Keep them coming. :jealous:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Hailstone on January 07, 2014, 05:36:58 PM
I second that - yet another stunning model from Brighton Works(excuse the pun!) from the photos it looks as though you used n brass locos method of powering the chassis from the tender - can you tell me what motor you used, and where you got it, as I would like to build his Dean goods kit when it becomes available
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on January 07, 2014, 05:43:18 PM
I used a Nigel Lawson micro motor:
http://www.nigellawton009.com/6VMicroMotors.html (http://www.nigellawton009.com/6VMicroMotors.html)

I've used a number of these very successfully.

It looks like the Dean Goods is to be more of a 'scratch aid' as Nick has released it as below (you'll need to scroll down a bit).

http://www.nbrasslocos.co.uk/index.html (http://www.nbrasslocos.co.uk/index.html)

Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Agrippa on January 07, 2014, 05:47:21 PM
A most handsome old steamer with that opulent livery !
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Greybeema on January 07, 2014, 06:09:45 PM
Excellent work - I'll fetch my knitting...
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Alex on January 07, 2014, 06:22:55 PM
Stunning work Gareth. I've always admired your work both on here and the NGS Journal.

Do you use Fox transfers for the linning?

Alex  :wave:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Dr Al on January 07, 2014, 06:24:35 PM
Absolutely exquisite work!

Regards,
Alan
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on January 07, 2014, 07:40:48 PM

Do you use Fox transfers for the linning?


On my H Class I used a combination of transfers. Some home made (the light green bit of the lining) and bits of Fox. The yellow was LMS loco lining with a black and yellow line removed with the red from BR mixed traffic lining cut in half to lose the grey.
On the P and C Class I used Microsoft Word to draw up the lining. On the C the whole tender sides and end were drawn up with the lining and body colour with just the lettering from Fox. The boiler bands were a mixture. The yellow/green/yellow homemade and the red being Fox. When it came to the cab sides I sort of cheated. I took a high resolution photo of the cab side on my fathers 'OO' C Class and reduced it to size to print as a transfer. White Crafty Computer paper was used along printed with my inkjet printer.
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Alex on January 07, 2014, 07:56:15 PM
Hi Gareth,

Thanks for the info. You certainly go to great lengths to get the detail just right.

I've started to use my Laserjet for printing my home made decals and it seems to work ok, as long as you get Lasejet decal paper. I find the colours more denser than an Inkjet, plus you don't need to varnish them as you would an Inkjet.

Haven't done any loco lining yet. I always get put off by the straight lines, or the thought of trying to get the straight lines straight.

Alex  :wave:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on January 07, 2014, 08:14:41 PM

Haven't done any loco lining yet. I always get put off by the straight lines, or the thought of trying to get the straight lines straight.


That's why it is so much easier to print the whole tender/tank side as all the lines will be dead straight and at right angles.  :thumbsup:

Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: beestie on January 07, 2014, 08:42:30 PM

Anyway I've just about finished my N Brass C Class:
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9373.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9373[/url])
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9374.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9374[/url])



Gareth
:jealous: looks lovely , could i paint it blue with full yellow ends  :P , but really really great modelling 
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on January 07, 2014, 10:24:48 PM
That's absolutely stunning Gareth, I guess this one is going to be entered at this years AGM?!?  ;)  8)

Would it be possible to see a picture of the chassis? I'd love to see the modifications required to the chassis and tender.

Also, how do you manage to get such a good colour match between the printed transfers and the boiler? I've been trying for a little while to get this right but without success...
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Southernboy on January 07, 2014, 10:32:11 PM
Gareth: That is incredibly impressive work on the lining (not to mention the paint job in general).

A couple of questions if I may:

I've looked at the Nigel Lawton motors before - do you make your own mechanism from his components from scratch - or adapt one of the motor bogie kits? I'd be interested to learn a little more about your approach / method if possible.

You mentioned "... it is so much easier to print the whole tender/tank side ... "  - sorry if I'm being dumb, but do you mean one transfer that is the size of the entire length and width of the area containing the lining?

And do you lay that over the base livery - or does the transfer include the base livery colour as well?

Thanks
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Chatty on January 07, 2014, 10:48:21 PM
Gareth

Everyone else has pinched my superlatives so I will simply say well done.

Kind regards

Geoff
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on January 07, 2014, 11:57:53 PM
Gareth

Everyone else has pinched my superlatives so I will simply say well done.

Kind regards

Geoff

Absolutely and utterly seconded.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on January 08, 2014, 09:21:42 AM
That's absolutely stunning Gareth, I guess this one is going to be entered at this years AGM?!?  ;)  8)

Would it be possible to see a picture of the chassis? I'd love to see the modifications required to the chassis and tender.

Also, how do you manage to get such a good colour match between the printed transfers and the boiler? I've been trying for a little while to get this right but without success...

Hi Steve,
Not sure about the AGM as it is a bit later than normal so I may well be away at Scout camp so no entries this year!
When I get the chance I'll pop the loco apart for a pic of its innards.
To get a colour match I paint a patch of colour on a scrap of plasticard then scan it and then use that as a template to draw colour from to add to the transfer. It doesn't always work so then after applying the transfer I give the body colour bit a quick but steady wash of diluted enamel colour by brush. If you're not steady enough and some goes over the lining it is easy to remove but with a clean brush dunked in thinners/white spirit. The final coat of varnish blends everything in.
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on January 08, 2014, 09:36:26 AM


I've looked at the Nigel Lawton motors before - do you make your own mechanism from his components from scratch - or adapt one of the motor bogie kits? I'd be interested to learn a little more about your approach / method if possible.

You mentioned "... it is so much easier to print the whole tender/tank side ... "  - sorry if I'm being dumb, but do you mean one transfer that is the size of the entire length and width of the area containing the lining?
And do you lay that over the base livery - or does the transfer include the base livery colour as well?

I've used the Nigel Lawton motors in a couple of ways now. On a couple of locos the Farish chassis is too high so I've removed the motor element and replaced it with the new motor with worm attached. There has been some debate as to how long the motor will last like this if there is too much movement lengthways on the armature but I use washers etc so there is no movement and I've had no problems. When I get round to taking a picture of the 'C's chassis you'll see it is fairly similar but with the motor having the drive collar attached directly linking it to the loco via drive shaft. Basically I've either modified a Farish chassis or just plain used the N Brass one where the choice of motor is yours. I did have a Mashima motor for the 'C' but it would mean a massive coal mound so went for the Nigel Lawton one.

The transfers are indeed made to the same size as the tender side so no paint is needed initially and does include the base colour. As the 'C' has black edging that is really the only paint you need just to run it down the corners and edges if any of the white transfer is showing. This method also works for tank and cab sides. For cab sides scan the side first and copy it into Word when you are drawing up the livery elements. You can then lay these over the scan to ensure you've got them the right size/shape.
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on January 08, 2014, 11:49:21 AM
Below is the promised photo of the chassis. The lump you can see behind the motor is just a bit of lead weight.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9399.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9399)

Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: chorleysteve on January 08, 2014, 10:17:44 PM
speechless...........



An O Class from Worsley Works is now under construction but this may well end up in original SER lined black.

Gareth
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Can you do a blog of the build - I want one of these but wouldn't know where to start
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Southernboy on January 08, 2014, 10:48:56 PM
Thank you Gareth,

That is a very elegant solution indeed, and the photo helps a great deal. Enlightening and inspiring.

Much appreciated.

Mark

Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on January 09, 2014, 10:42:26 AM
Thanks for the picture of the chassis and drive, Gareth. I can see these components coming in handy in the future!

I'd tried scanning the base colour in the past and the resulting print is nothing like the base colour... Such a shame as I've got hopes that I can use your methods to do my C1 cab and tender without having to resort to using separate transfers. I'll have to have a bit of a think about this as the results you've been obtaining are truly stunning!
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on January 09, 2014, 04:47:03 PM
Can you do a blog of the build - I want one of these but wouldn't know where to start



I've already built quite a bit of it. The tender is complete except for the buffers and springs which will be added later. It will be tender driven and the chassis is a butchered Terrier which I have used/done before for other locos. Despite the small size of tender the whole coal space is empty yet it weighs more than the original Terrier. I've soldered up the bulk of the loco body and am using plastic tube for the boiler. It will grind to a halt soon as I need 10mm drivers. I've some Farish ones but they are fractionally to wide to fit inside the very narrow body/splashers (a common problem when modelling pre grouping). Not a problem though now as the latest Farish/Dapol drivers profile is much narrower so that will be the route I take, I just need to work out which ones and then source them.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9454.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9454)

Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on January 09, 2014, 10:37:34 PM
Like the progress made on your current build Gareth. Off the top of my head an O8 shunter has 4'6 diameter wheels which scale out at 9.27mm, close enough for you? Otherwise, I can't think of a locomotive with close to 4'10 wheels that isn't a split frame type...
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: EtchedPixels on January 09, 2014, 11:20:22 PM
Thanks for the picture of the chassis and drive, Gareth. I can see these components coming in handy in the future!

I'd tried scanning the base colour in the past and the resulting print is nothing like the base colour... Such a shame as I've got hopes that I can use your methods to do my C1 cab and tender without having to resort to using separate transfers. I'll have to have a bit of a think about this as the results you've been obtaining are truly stunning!

You can colour calibrate monitors, printers and scanners. Its a slightly tedious process but will get a reasonable match with decent hardware
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on January 10, 2014, 02:12:03 PM
Like the progress made on your current build Gareth. Off the top of my head an O8 shunter has 4'6 diameter wheels which scale out at 9.27mm, close enough for you? Otherwise, I can't think of a locomotive with close to 4'10 wheels that isn't a split frame type...

I was being a bit generic with 10mm wheels as the O's had 5' 2" wheels (I hope) so actually a little larger. I was looking at 10mm to ensure they fitted inside the splashers with the flange making them seem a bit bigger. I've a set of the new Farish 08 wheels but these are earmarked for something else. At the moment it may end up with a set of Dapol 45xx wheels that I've to hand until something else turns up. Split frame isn't a problem. Not sure if I will bother adding pickups from the loco or not as the Terrier works well on its own.

Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on January 27, 2014, 11:11:58 AM
Quick update on the 'O' Class which is pretty much finished.
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
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Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Newportnobby on January 27, 2014, 11:46:27 AM
Nice job, Gareth :thumbsup:
 :wonderfulmodelling:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on January 27, 2014, 01:28:11 PM
Quick update on the 'O' Class which is pretty much finished.
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Gareth

Yum! If only that was available RTR for us Southern modellers. Or even in kit form.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on January 27, 2014, 05:33:48 PM

Yum! If only that was available RTR for us Southern modellers. Or even in kit form.

Most of it is a kit from Worsley Works. If you look at the photo further up the page the silver bits are the kit. You need to fabricate a boiler barrel, axle boxes and springs and boiler fittings from NBrass. I can't remember the manufacturer but there used to be a white metal kit. One came up on Ebay recently but did go for quite a bit IIRC!
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on January 27, 2014, 10:03:08 PM
Most of it is a kit from Worsley Works. If you look at the photo further up the page the silver bits are the kit. You need to fabricate a boiler barrel, axle boxes and springs and boiler fittings from NBrass.

Umm... and that's all?! :goggleeyes:  I don't have a workshop for fabricating anything, unfortunately. I barely have the tools to add detailing to a Parkwood Models resin loco body at the moment. Fabrication is going to take some time to achieve.

I can't remember the manufacturer but there used to be a white metal kit. One came up on Ebay recently but did go for quite a bit IIRC!
Gareth

I can imagine! I doubt it went for much below three figures, if it was below at all.

Peter
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: EtchedPixels on January 27, 2014, 10:26:19 PM
Boiler barrels are usually fabricated by your local plumbing supplies 8)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on January 28, 2014, 09:17:24 AM

Umm... and that's all?! :goggleeyes:  I don't have a workshop for fabricating anything, unfortunately. I barely have the tools to add detailing to a Parkwood Models resin loco body at the moment. Fabrication is going to take some time to achieve.



'Fabrication' was probably a bit grand. The axle boxes are a rectangle of plasticard and the boiler is a length of plastic tube. The only tools were a knife for the plasticard and a razor saw and mitre box to ensure I cut the boiler straight.
You don't always need a massive tool kit!
Regards
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on January 28, 2014, 01:12:36 PM
'Fabrication' was probably a bit grand. The axle boxes are a rectangle of plasticard and the boiler is a length of plastic tube. The only tools were a knife for the plasticard and a razor saw and mitre box to ensure I cut the boiler straight.
You don't always need a massive tool kit!
Regards
Gareth

That sounds much less daunting now, thanks. It's definitely something I would like to get into in time. Right now I'm finishing off the detailing on a resin kit and wondering when the next bit is going to fall off. Overall, it's been an interesting, frustrating, and rewarding experience, and I'll certainly be doing it again.

Peter
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on October 08, 2014, 02:27:57 PM
A couple of quick videos of some pre grouping to offset the Brighton Belle one I've posted on that thread.
http://youtu.be/rMq0F5oMazo (http://youtu.be/rMq0F5oMazo)
http://youtu.be/SAB4u9jf_Ag (http://youtu.be/SAB4u9jf_Ag)
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: keithfre on October 08, 2014, 03:39:33 PM
A couple of quick videos of some pre grouping to offset the Brighton Belle one I've posted on that thread.
V. pretty, Gareth!
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Newportnobby on October 08, 2014, 04:19:30 PM
Fabulous couple of clips :thumbsup:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Southernboy on October 08, 2014, 09:03:00 PM
Lovely stuff :)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on October 08, 2014, 10:46:09 PM
Although I'm modelling 1930, I'm finding more and more pre-Grouping stock that I can run and I'm removing a lot of the Stanier and later Maunsell stuff to make it more accurate. So seeing your fantastic work is more than inspiring - it's important for detailing! More clips, please.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on March 10, 2015, 01:04:40 PM
Greetings,
Here's a few more things I've been nailing together recently. Firstly there is a pair of SECR passenger brakes made from Bill Bedford etches.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/29/thumb_22628.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=22628)

Next is a Graham Hughes white metal kit of a Southern L1. It was designed to use a Farish 4P chassis but half the boiler was missing to make room for the armature and it sat far to high on the chassis. To rectify this I used my tried and tested method of butchering a Dapol Terrier to create a tender drive. This meant I could fill in the missing bits of boiler and get the body sitting down low enough. A knackered Farish chassis was stripped down with all the motor elements being removed. The drivers were still too small so I replaced them with Minitrix Britannia ones which help improve the look as they have see through spokes. The front bogie is the larger wheel one you get with the latest Farish 4-6-0's. When I'd finished there was virtually nothing left of the Farish chassis!
The change of chassis to the tender meant I could fit out the cab which is usually full of motor.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/29/thumb_22629.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=22629)

Finally is one of Alan's (Etched Pixels) 48DS's sitting on the recommended Japanese chassis.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/29/thumb_22630.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=22630)

Gareth



Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Dr Al on March 10, 2015, 02:32:29 PM
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/29/thumb_22629.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=22629[/url])


That's exquisite - do you add loco pickups, or just use the Terrier on its own in that respect?

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on March 10, 2015, 03:08:59 PM

That's exquisite - do you add loco pickups, or just use the Terrier on its own in that respect?


Hi Alan,
Despite its small wheelbase I've found the Terrier to be one of the best running locos there is. The weight of the white metal tender has improved the running qualities even more so rather than complicate things I just stuck with the Terrier pickups which also aids the free running of the loco chassis.
Cheers
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Southernboy on March 10, 2015, 08:28:39 PM
I do like those passenger brakes. How on earth did you do such fine and intricate lining? Seriously impressive!

Likewise your work on the L1. Out of interest have you chronicled your work somewhere?
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Tank on March 10, 2015, 08:46:49 PM
I agree, all these SECR models are wonderful. One day I'll get round to making my Class H!  Keep up the great work.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on March 10, 2015, 09:44:20 PM
I do like those passenger brakes. How on earth did you do such fine and intricate lining? Seriously impressive!

Likewise your work on the L1. Out of interest have you chronicled your work somewhere?

Hi,
The lining on the coaches starts life as Fox Transfers LMS yellow/black/yellow loco lining. I trim the outer black and yellow line off and just use the inner angle. It takes for ever and I'm, thankfully, on my 10th and last one :thumbsup:
Occasionally I document the builds on here but normally I've built most of it before I remember to take any photos :doh:

Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on March 11, 2015, 10:59:00 AM
Greetings,
Here's a few more things I've been nailing together recently. Firstly there is a pair of SECR passenger brakes made from Bill Bedford etches.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/29/thumb_22628.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=22628[/url])


Hi Gareth

The passenger brakes really do look fantastic. I'm more impressed by these than the loco (you can call me weird).

I do like those passenger brakes. How on earth did you do such fine and intricate lining? Seriously impressive!


Me too. One day I'll have to tackle lining on my Union Mills T9 and also a couple of white metal loco kits, and I'm not looking forward to it.

I did think of repainting a Farish 4-4-0 as an L1 because superficially they're very similar. I like your approach, and your results. Much better than a simple repaint. At the moment I'm doing nothing railway-based at all, having been discouraged by some problems with the layout and distracted by work on the History Files, but I really want to get back to the modelling work, starting with the Farish suburban coach upgrades. Soon, hopefully.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Mr chapman on March 11, 2015, 02:54:47 PM
Fantastic work! I'm dipping my toe into prehrouping models of the SECR so this thread couldn't have turned up at a better time. I'd like to start with a H class. What have you used to construct yours? Is it a kit or scratch build?
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on March 11, 2015, 03:18:27 PM
Fantastic work! I'm dipping my toe into prehrouping models of the SECR so this thread couldn't have turned up at a better time. I'd like to start with a H class. What have you used to construct yours? Is it a kit or scratch build?

I'm not sure how long you've been in the NGS but there was an article on its construction in the NGS Journal in 2013, issue 4. It is a modified Dapol M7 which in a nutshell needs shortening, new front splashers and reworked cab. The rear bogie also needs shortening and moving forward. Unfortunately I don't have the photos of its build anymore but if you don't have the journal let me know so I can scan it and email you.
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Mr chapman on March 11, 2015, 03:27:37 PM
That's great! Pm sent :)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: greenlaneman on March 12, 2015, 09:27:27 PM
Many years ago I converted a Farish 4P to an L1.
I will have to raid the archives to see if I have still got a photo - probably in black and white!
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on March 13, 2015, 01:06:08 PM
Many years ago I converted a Farish 4P to an L1.
I will have to raid the archives to see if I have still got a photo - probably in black and white!

I'd love to see that. It can't entail much more work than detailing an old Farish loco would entail (without carving off moulded hand rails and the like).
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: greenlaneman on March 13, 2015, 08:31:21 PM
Here it is in it's weathered glory!
I think possibly this might have been scanned mirror image?
I seem to remember that the bogie wheels were swapped for larger ones from? I forget(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Mr chapman on March 13, 2015, 08:46:07 PM
Is that the night ferry behind? The L1 looks great. I wish UM would have a crack at an L or L1
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Dorsetmike on March 13, 2015, 10:31:06 PM
I think Colin was contemplating one of the ex SECR 4-4-0s a year or so after the T9, so there is a faint hope.  Maybe if enough of us ask for one ... ... ...
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on March 14, 2015, 02:09:24 PM
It really does look the part. Were the changes difficult to do?

Colin at UM is certainly very friendly and helpful to talk to. It can't hurt to ask him.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on March 15, 2015, 09:58:05 AM
Hi Gareth,

Lovely work as always! Just out of question did you quarter the L1's new wheels by eye or do you use a jig?
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: greenlaneman on March 15, 2015, 12:17:23 PM
Is that the night ferry behind? The L1 looks great. I wish UM would have a crack at an L or L1
Yes, its the Night Ferry - Lima coaches - pulled by an etched brass body class 71 with two Farish power bogies and home made chassis.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on March 15, 2015, 02:53:14 PM

Lovely work as always! Just out of question did you quarter the L1's new wheels by eye or do you use a jig?

Done by eye. I keep adjusting until it rolls!
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 13, 2015, 04:26:29 PM
I've found myself building far too many GER locos of late so thought I'd better return south. I've a couple of small Japanese chassis one of which is the inspiration for my next project.
SECR number 313 was a small Manning Wardle loco that spent its life a Folkestone docks. Unfortunately I can't find any photos online to post a link and copyright prevents me from scanning the pages from books. You'll just have to trust me on this one.
Anyway, I've just cut out the main body parts from some scrap brass (buffer beams were spares from another etch) and will start attacking them with solder soon.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/27/thumb_23992.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23992)
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on April 14, 2015, 01:29:10 PM
Did you mean this little chap:

http://cspmodels.com/abante/index.php?rt=product/product&product_id=183 (http://cspmodels.com/abante/index.php?rt=product/product&product_id=183)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 14, 2015, 01:44:54 PM
Did you mean this little chap:

[url]http://cspmodels.com/abante/index.php?rt=product/product&product_id=183[/url] ([url]http://cspmodels.com/abante/index.php?rt=product/product&product_id=183[/url])


Yep, that's the only online photo I found. Pity it doesn't show the front as I've 4 photos of the rear and side yet only one grainy one of the front. I'm guessing at the moment that the smoke box door will be a half circle hinging upwards. At least one shot is dead centre, side on, so I could calculate sizes as I knew the wheelbase/diameter.
I'll post some more photos soon as the main components are now soldered together.
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on April 14, 2015, 01:57:56 PM
Yep, that's the only online photo I found. Pity it doesn't show the front as I've 4 photos of the rear and side yet only one grainy one of the front. I'm guessing at the moment that the smoke box door will be a half circle hinging upwards. At least one shot is dead centre, side on, so I could calculate sizes as I knew the wheelbase/diameter.
I'll post some more photos soon as the main components are now soldered together.
Gareth


If it's anything like No 394 then you're right about the smoke box door:
(http://www.gauge0guild.com/gazette/Article16_5/Image2.jpg) (http://www.gauge0guild.com/gazette/Article16_5/Image2.jpg)

As usual with your southern work, I'm looking forward to seeing what you produce.

Peter
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 14, 2015, 02:39:49 PM
The main bits are now soldered together. The only bits added that were missing from the first photo are the roof and part of the cab rear to raise it a little and hold the curve that the rear had.
I now need to sort out the cab steps, smokebox, springs and tool boxes.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/27/thumb_24013.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24013)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/27/thumb_24014.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24014)
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on April 14, 2015, 04:18:56 PM
I wish you'd stop making it look so easy   ;)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Hailstone on April 14, 2015, 08:11:59 PM
I think it's high time you started running classes for us lesser beings!

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 15, 2015, 05:00:43 PM
Greetings,
I've now added most of the remaining detail and given it a dusting of primer. The main bits left to add are the toolboxes on the running plate each side in front of the springs. I've left them off at the moment as they would make painting the bits behind a problem. Next I need to crank up Word again as this loco carried full Wainwright lined livery so I need to draw up some transfers.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24043.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24043)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24044.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24044)

Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on April 15, 2015, 05:48:18 PM
Oh gods. You even draw your own transfers :D
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on April 16, 2015, 01:08:22 PM
How on earth do you find the time to build so quickly!?  :o  :hmmm:

Nice work by the way!  :D
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 16, 2015, 02:33:41 PM
How on earth do you find the time to build so quickly!? 


Easy, just have a hernia operation to get time off work. Not being very mobile means I just have to sit at the work bench all day  :thumbsup:
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on April 16, 2015, 04:50:52 PM
Easy, just have a hernia operation to get time off work. Not being very mobile means I just have to sit at the work bench all day  :thumbsup:
Gareth

That won't work for me. I'm self-employed and sit at a desk all day anyway. What's Plan B?
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: joe cassidy on April 16, 2015, 07:20:25 PM
How on earth do you find the time to build so quickly!?

Easy, just have a hernia operation to get time off work. Not being very mobile means I just have to sit at the work bench all day  :thumbsup:
Gareth

2 questions Gareth :

1) how many days off do you get ?

2) doesn't the post-op pain make concentrating difficult ?

Best regards,


Joe
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 16, 2015, 08:06:26 PM
2 questions Gareth :

1) how many days off do you get ?

2) doesn't the post-op pain make concentrating difficult ?


1) not enough!

2) It did last year when I had open surgery but this time it was keyhole. It hurts but not to bad.

Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 17, 2015, 08:40:44 AM
Greetings,
I've drawn up the tricky bits of livery on Word and now printed and applied the transfers. Time now to get the paint brushes out.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24098.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24098)
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Hailstone on April 17, 2015, 01:35:19 PM
I think that just about everyone on this forum would be grateful if you wrote a how to make those transfers with a few pictures and posted it in the tutorial section, I for one see quite a few possibilities for some of my unlined BR black locos like the T9, Director & Claud Hamilton
Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 17, 2015, 03:37:09 PM
Hi,
Drawing transfers up isn't overly difficult. Using Word you have access to a multitude of shapes including 'plaque' which you can use for the lining panels when the corners are indented, ideal for SECR and LBSCR. To draw up the whole panel you do it in layers which is especially helpful when the lining is multi coloured like the SECR. You can set the dimensions to any size you want so you can make them the exact size you require for your model. You can copy each element to the clipboard so you don't have to keep drawing shapes, just adjust the size. For the cab sides I create a rectangle then add in the cut out using a curved edged white rectangle then add in curves of the relevant lining colours.
Below is a photo shot of the drawings I made for my P Class. At the bottom I have separated one of the large panels in to its four component parts which are added in layers.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24113.png) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24113)
HTH
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 17, 2015, 04:53:24 PM
Greetings,
I forgot to mention that I usually use white Crafty Computer Paper for my transfers but for this latest loco I have used clear paper only because I ran out of white! Inkjet printers don't print very densely hence usually using white. If using clear paper the transfer will literally disappear if it is applied to anything other than a white surface. You may have noticed I initially primed the loco in grey but it has turned white by the time transfers were applied.
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on April 18, 2015, 05:35:27 PM
Hi Gareth,

A hernia operation, ouch! I wish you a speedy recovery.

Loving that little 0-4-0 and thank you for sharing your transfer methods, I'll certainly be giving this a go for some locomotives in the near future!

A question if I may... When using white Crafty Computer Paper, do you find that you get a white lip on the edge of the transfer where the paper shows along the edge? If so, how do you deal with this?

Many thanks
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 18, 2015, 05:56:24 PM

A question if I may... When using white Crafty Computer Paper, do you find that you get a white lip on the edge of the transfer where the paper shows along the edge? If so, how do you deal with this?


I have noticed it occasionally but mainly when I have made the transfer exactly the right size. When trimming the transfer prior to applying it I used to cut along the division of colour but now I make the transfer a fraction to large so make my cuts just inside the colour line. This seems to help. Also all the SECR locos have an outer edge of black on their panels so I always run a bit of black enamel down the edges which covers any white. You need a steadyish hand but I always seal the transfer down first with Klear so if you do go over the lining a quick dab of white spirit/thinners with a clean brush will remove it.
That said on this loco I used clear transfer paper after using white primer on the loco with a coat of Klear to give it a good surface to adhere to. The results appear to be better and definitely no white edge so I may well use the clear paper in future.
My printer is getting on a bit now and doesn't seem to be printing quite so densely so I added a quick wash of SECR green over the panels keeping off the lining.
Results will be published shortly as I'm waiting for paint to dry before a final coat of varnish. Alan (Etched Pixels) is producing some etched number plates for me so not sure when it will be completely finished but in the meantime it may get a set of wrong plates.
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 20, 2015, 09:19:12 PM
Greetings,
SECR 313 is just about finished but is carrying incorrect number plates at the moment. It's running quite nicely but could do with some more running in. I had to run off some more transfers as I forgot the ones for the tool boxes. In all the photos I've to hand the spectacles are always open (it must have been hot on the footplate) so I have all mine open. To make them I use etched brass wheels with the spokes removed. In this instance I soldered 0.3mm wire top and bottom so I could glue them in in the open position.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24230.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24230)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24231.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24231)
Below is a short video of it running.

http://youtu.be/e1XhK2-MuKw (http://youtu.be/e1XhK2-MuKw)

And for those who like something a bit more modern!

http://youtu.be/iQNQpqwRAWk (http://youtu.be/iQNQpqwRAWk)

And here's Birch Grove just because I had all my ballast wagons on the layout.

http://youtu.be/2xqknPucpPc (http://youtu.be/2xqknPucpPc)

Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on April 20, 2015, 09:37:52 PM
That is simply outstanding! Well done that man (and built so quickly too!). I just need to find a suitable LNER prototype for my chassis I purchased a few months ago...  :P
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on April 20, 2015, 11:41:03 PM
I love those dumb ballast wagons! Nicely done.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 01, 2015, 05:09:04 PM
Greetings,
Just a quick teaser of my next project. The chassis block is from a Farish 94xx, a Farish spare large bogie wheel, 2 of the latest outside crank Farish 08 drivers and a Nigel Lawton motor. The outside cranks have had 1mm removed to make them narrower as the standard 08 won't go past my platforms and the gear replaced.
Any guesses as to what it's going to be? To give you a clue it's on my Southern pre grouping thread ;)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24578.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24578)

Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on May 01, 2015, 07:23:50 PM
That looks interesting! I've got some old pannier tank chassis just dying to be turned into J52s, I've got to source some 4'8 driving wheels with see through spokes first though! Is that an 8mm Lawton motor?

Anyway, back to topic, the only thing that springs to mind would be a Belgravia. But I'd guess that would have larger driving wheels...
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 01, 2015, 07:27:44 PM
It is indeed the 8mm motor and no, not a Belgravia, it's a tank engine................
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on May 01, 2015, 07:49:04 PM
Martley 'F' Class?
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 01, 2015, 08:27:42 PM
So near but yet so far..........
Good guess, the 'F' or Sondes class is very similar but I'm actually making an Aeolus class. For the few of you who are unfamiliar with the LCDR the Martley Sondes were originally a 0-4-0st rebuilt as a 2-4-0t in 1865 and all scrapped by 1909 whilst the Aeolus were a 4-4-0t rebuilt as a 2-4-0t in 1873 and, again, all gone by 1909.
The bodywork is currently a pile of brass off cuts gradually taking shape.
I'm building it on the basis that there is unlikely to be a RTR example any time soon.
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: R Marshall on May 01, 2015, 09:25:04 PM
Greetings,
SECR 313 is just about finished but is carrying incorrect number plates at the moment. It's running quite nicely but could do with some more running in. I had to run off some more transfers as I forgot the ones for the tool boxes. In all the photos I've to hand the spectacles are always open (it must have been hot on the footplate) so I have all mine open. To make them I use etched brass wheels with the spokes removed. In this instance I soldered 0.3mm wire top and bottom so I could glue them in in the open position.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24230.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24230[/url])
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24231.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24231[/url])
Below is a short video of it running.

[url]http://youtu.be/e1XhK2-MuKw[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/e1XhK2-MuKw[/url])

And for those who like something a bit more modern!

[url]http://youtu.be/iQNQpqwRAWk[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/iQNQpqwRAWk[/url])

And here's Birch Grove just because I had all my ballast wagons on the layout.

[url]http://youtu.be/2xqknPucpPc[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/2xqknPucpPc[/url])

Gareth


Those locos are stunning!

As for the 3-link couplings........

Most of all, though, I like the cutting on the layout board.

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 02, 2015, 09:55:02 AM

As for the 3-link couplings........

Most of all, though, I like the cutting on the layout board.


Cheers Roy,
I don't do a lot of shunting so through freight trains all have 3 link couplings. Bit of a bugger to couple up but look a lot better than the normal N couplers especially as pre grouping stock wasn't very bulky. Looks realistic when the train pulls away aswell.
With regard to the cutting I tried to get it as accurate as possible as it couldn't be hidden under bushes etc as in the late 1890's the line was still fairly new and photos show the banks very bare. Sad I know but the 2 large trees you see above the embankment match photos and OS maps of the time including a kink in the hedge boundary just before it reaches the new railway boundary atop the embankment.
Closed 40 years ago the Cuckoo Line is now a Trail and the embankments are overgrown whilst the occupation bridge has disappeared on a 1929 map.
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on May 02, 2015, 10:04:54 PM
Closed 40 years ago the Cuckoo Line is now a Trail and the embankments are overgrown whilst the occupation bridge has disappeared on a 1929 map.
Gareth


I saw the station name but didn't connect it with the route that I cycled a couple of years back. It certainly has changed, as you can see from these photos: http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/RailwayWalks/Britain/Polegate_Eridge/Polegate_Eridge01.html (http://www.historyfiles.co.uk/RailwayWalks/Britain/Polegate_Eridge/Polegate_Eridge01.html)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 03, 2015, 11:25:54 AM
I saw the station name but didn't connect it with the route that I cycled a couple of years back.

The name is to confuse both you and the fare paying public. The station was Waldron and Horeham Road, Horeham Road and Waldron then finally a complete change of spelling as a village grew up around the station to Horam!
The road bridge, some of the platform and concrete Southern nameboards still exist. The goods yard is a housing estate.
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 03, 2015, 08:26:33 PM
Greetings,
Most of the brass bits are now soldered together and my fingers are suitably singed! Next is a whole lot of detailing including a bit more soldering then another tinker with Word for the livery transfers.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24597.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24597)
The tricky bit is working out how to fit the springs to the outside frames underneath the cranks as if fitted permanently you can't remove the chassis.
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on May 04, 2015, 11:25:49 PM
Thanks looking excellent, Gareth. But honestly, over 24 hours without an update? I thought you would have finished it by now!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 05, 2015, 08:33:15 AM
Thanks looking excellent, Gareth. But honestly, over 24 hours without an update? I thought you would have finished it by now!  :smiley-laughing:

I've been off planning next weekends Scout camp (yes, after my op I can't work but I can play!).
A few more bits have been soldered on so I'll post some photos later but I'm off in a mo to start buying stuff for the weekend. It's a district camp with each troop given a country or area. We got Hawaii so I'm expected to spend the weekend in a loud shirt and grass skirt!
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 06, 2015, 12:37:49 PM
Greetings,
A quick update after a few more bits have been soldered on at the expense of my fingers! Whilst recovering I've been snapping drill bits creating the various holes required for pipe work and hand rails. Luckily I had a set of spare footsteps from an old etched kit which were suitable. Boiler fittings are modified N Brass


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24696.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24696)

Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Southernboy on May 06, 2015, 08:23:20 PM
Some interesting / fine work going on here. I'll be keeping an eye on updates as I'm sure there'll be much I can learn

           :)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Hailstone on May 06, 2015, 09:28:21 PM
Whilst recovering I've been snapping drill bits creating the various holes required for pipe work and hand rails.

Gareth

It's nice to know that I am not alone in doing this!

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 12, 2015, 09:38:32 AM
Morning,

Everything that needs soldering has been with the remaining detail succumbing to glue. Tool boxes and springs on the footplate have been omitted at the moment to aid painting later as they can get in the way. It has been given a coat of primer and there are no obvious holes, gaps etc,so time to move on to designing the transfers. I usually prime in grey as it shows flaws up better but I've gone down the white route as I've only clear transfer paper to hand and it needs a white background.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24846.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24846)

Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: paulprice on May 12, 2015, 09:52:06 AM
This looks fantastic
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on May 12, 2015, 02:54:15 PM
That looks incredible Gareth! However, in white primer it does look a little sickly... Is it going to be a ghost train?  :P  :smiley-laughing:

(I'll get my coat!)...
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: R Marshall on May 12, 2015, 08:12:14 PM
Looks really good - hard to believe it's N gauge.

Regards,

Roy
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Newportnobby on May 12, 2015, 08:42:59 PM
Fascinating watching this develop :thumbsup:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Moria on May 14, 2015, 12:23:04 AM
That looks incredible Gareth! However, in white primer it does look a little sickly... Is it going to be a ghost train?  :P  :smiley-laughing:

(I'll get my coat!)...

Only if it runs between Waterloo and Brookwood cemetary :)

Regards

Graham
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 19, 2015, 05:15:40 PM
Hi,

Aeolus class number 532 has been released by the paint shop and is just about finished. One or two bits need fettling, the quartering is a fraction out as it has a slight wobble. Once done it can start earning its keep by entering traffic.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24984.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24984)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24985.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24985)


Don't you just hate these cruel enlargements, the whole loco is only 61mm over the buffers.

Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 19, 2015, 05:16:12 PM
That's better!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24986.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24986)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24987.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24987)


Nearer to its actual size.

Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: paul4147 on May 19, 2015, 06:08:34 PM
Fantastic modelling,  rather than being cruel the enlargements show just how good it really is

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: R Marshall on May 19, 2015, 07:41:12 PM
Wow! Just stunning - nothing wrong with the enlargements either.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 19, 2015, 08:05:32 PM
I think the wobble has gone; the only wobble now is my dodgy camera work!

http://youtu.be/LnIhp_E04po (http://youtu.be/LnIhp_E04po)

As mentioned in other threads it looks like I can now only post a link to the video rather than embed it.
Gareth

Moderator Comment If you remove the "s" from "https" the link will embed and display the video ;)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 19, 2015, 09:07:09 PM
Aah, thanks for that :thumbsup:
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Southernboy on May 19, 2015, 10:54:45 PM
Very nice Sir!
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: simon.bolton on May 20, 2015, 09:09:37 AM
That's beautiful Gareth, both the loco and the layout, thankyou.

When you replace the motor, do you re-use the original worm and gear?

Cheers

Simon
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 20, 2015, 12:21:28 PM

When you replace the motor, do you re-use the original worm and gear?


Hi,
No reason why you can't. I've numerous Farish worms from dead locos. In this instance I used a new Farish gear as the 08 geared wheel has an offset gear. I used the 2 non geared wheelsets, popped a wheel off and pressed a new gear on.
HTH
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: MinZaPint on May 21, 2015, 05:31:56 PM
That's a lovely little loco and very smooth runner  :wonderfulmodelling:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: simon.bolton on May 22, 2015, 04:55:45 PM
Hi Gareth:

How do you keep the motors in place on your modified chassis'?

Regards

Simon
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 22, 2015, 05:12:40 PM

How do you keep the motors in place on your modified chassis'?


Hi Simon
I initially hold it in place with double sided tape and when happy all meshes well run a bit of superglue underneath to bond chassis, tape and motor together. It doesn't sound very high tech but I've not had any problems to date. If you do need to remove the motor superglue is quite brittle so the joint can be gently persuaded apart.
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 22, 2015, 06:15:15 PM
Hi,
Today I've finished off a couple of LBSCR 'A' open wagons which Eddie has just made available through Shapeways after a bit of gentle hinting/begging.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/24/thumb_25131.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=25131)

They are designed to use 2mm SA W irons and if you're not aware the 2mm SA supply 12.25mm axles especially for 'N' gauge. You use Farish wagon wheels which you pop of their axles and onto the 2mm ones. The 2mm ones have a collar on them which sets the back to back to 'N'.

Eddie's shop can be found here (no link, just another clever old stick with 3D):
https://www.shapeways.com/shops/Stockprints (https://www.shapeways.com/shops/Stockprints)

Gareth

PS should have mentioned I didn't use the intended W irons but part of the 2mm SA RCH 8'6" wagon chassis etch.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: simon.bolton on May 22, 2015, 08:03:27 PM
Nice wagons, Gareth!

Thanks for the info on how you fix your motors. I'm on Blu-tak and Magic tape at the moment. Super-glue sounds a more permanent solution. Cheers.

Simon
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 31, 2015, 06:39:26 PM
Hi,
Just a quick photo of a couple of vans from the same source.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/24/thumb_25505.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=25505)

Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Edubs on June 03, 2015, 09:30:43 AM
Hi Gareth, thanks for your kind words, and your great modelling. I couldn't have asked for better advertising!

Cheers,

Eddie.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on June 03, 2015, 01:20:29 PM
I really like the look of them, although I'd need to research whether I could use them for 1930 without more chassis detail. The open wagons especially appeal to me as something that would stand out as being unusual. The closed vans might need more work (?), such as a roof being added. Could the open wagons be placed on standard Peco chassis?
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on June 03, 2015, 01:45:58 PM
The closed vans might need more work (?), such as a roof being added. Could the open wagons be placed on standard Peco chassis?

Hi,
For the roof all you need is a rectangle of plastic card or brass sheet which will be a lot cheaper than 3D printing a roof as well. I don't think a Peco chassis would work. The width over the models sole bars is 13.5mm whereas Peco ones are 16mm so the chassis would be wider than the body. This seems to be a historic issue with N wagons. If you ever wanted to add dumb buffers only the Mathieson ones were narrow enough. One of the compromises of RTR N.
HTH
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Edubs on June 03, 2015, 02:15:18 PM
Hi, I was about to post something along those lines but Gareth beat me to it!

The opens are based upon the Stroudley design, and wouldn't have lasted until SR days in mainline use, probably mostly gone by WW1. Similar types but with diagonal body side strapping and more modern underframe details would still have been around in the '30s.

Cheers,

Eddie.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on June 04, 2015, 12:14:02 AM
Thanks, chaps. I knew from the lack of 'modern' details that these were very early wagon types. Even the later ones were being withdrawn in large numbers in the 1920s, so the chance of more than a few making it to 1930 was tenuous. Given the fact that I can't access 2mm SA chassis anyway I'll have to give this idea a miss.

Modelling 1930 can be a little difficult in places. A lot of the more famous rolling stock (most Maunsell coaches, almost everything Stanier, for instance) is too late, so a lot of it needs to be pre-grouping, and that needs much more of a DIY approach than later periods.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on September 17, 2015, 03:04:24 PM
Hi,

Having gone all modern image and bought an 'N' class in SECR grey I thought it needed to quickly have a stable mate. I have quite a selection of Terriers waiting to be converted into tender drives so I saved one from the cutters torch.
Quite appropriately it was Waddon in LBSCR livery as my plan was to recreate the lone Terrier sold to the SECR with Waddon being the said loco. Originally it carried full Wainwright livery but then received a new boiler (similar to the P class I believe) meaning new boiler fittings and then received wartime grey livery. As well as boiler fittings a fair amount of additional pipework was required but it still kept the Terrier look.
It was quite a simple conversion and one that is easy to repaint. The only problem was the large tank side numerals, buffer beam numerals and SECR bunker plate. Fox transfer did the numerals in OO so after a bit of discussion I paid to have them reduced to N (they are now available to all). Fox have also printed some bunker plates for me which I've used but they aren't 100% happy with them so are reprinting. Hopefully these will also be available.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29450.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29450)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29451.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29451)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29452.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29452)
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Newportnobby on September 17, 2015, 03:08:15 PM
Though I know very little about them, that's a smashing job, Gareth :thumbsup:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Southernboy on September 17, 2015, 07:35:06 PM
Immaculate! Very impressive.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: simon.bolton on September 18, 2015, 10:52:59 AM
That's lovely Gareth, full of character. I'd be very interested in seeing those bunker plates when they arrive!

Cheers
Simon
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on September 18, 2015, 01:33:21 PM
Well done on getting the decals reduced to N. If I ever find a loco that retained this livery to 1930, I'll be tempted to make use of them.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on September 18, 2015, 02:31:03 PM
Well done on getting the decals reduced to N. If I ever find a loco that retained this livery to 1930, I'll be tempted to make use of them.

The sheet also includes the yellow numbering and lettering which locos carried post WW1 if they were repainted into unlined green.
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on September 18, 2015, 03:56:45 PM
The sheet also includes the yellow numbering and lettering which locos carried post WW1 if they were repainted into unlined green.
Gareth

Very handy to know, thanks. Now if I could just persuade Bachmann to produce an obscure loco for the region I'd be laughing.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Tank on September 19, 2015, 09:33:23 PM
Beauty!  I didn't know Waddon went to SECR.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: PGN on September 23, 2015, 02:23:17 PM
Gareth -

I spotted those transfers on the Fox website; didn't realise I had you to thank for them!

I have two N Brass Locos RTR L class 4-4-0s waiting to go into the paint shop. One might come out in grey, but the other will definitely be coming out in the plain green. Out of interest, which grey did you use?
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: ScottyStitch on September 23, 2015, 03:22:50 PM
I think the wobble has gone; the only wobble now is my dodgy camera work!

[url]http://youtu.be/LnIhp_E04po[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/LnIhp_E04po[/url])

As mentioned in other threads it looks like I can now only post a link to the video rather than embed it.
Gareth

If you remove the "s" from "https" the link will embed and display the video   ;)


What an absolutely splendid looking layout. Yes.....splendid is indeed the word!
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on September 23, 2015, 04:28:52 PM

I spotted those transfers on the Fox website; didn't realise I had you to thank for them!

I have two N Brass Locos RTR L class 4-4-0s waiting to go into the paint shop. One might come out in grey, but the other will definitely be coming out in the plain green. Out of interest, which grey did you use?

Hi,
Humbrol number 27 Sea Grey. Rattle can of acrylic with a small pot for touching up etc.
Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: PGN on September 30, 2015, 08:16:19 PM
Thanks Gareth. I've been using Humbrol 27 on my LBSC goods wagons ... somehow it looks darker on your Terrier.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on March 26, 2018, 10:46:50 AM
I've finally done some modelling! I've had an N Brass SECR L Class kicking around for ages. It's more of a scratch aid but I managed to put it all together. The recommended chassis is the old Farish 4P but this is powered by a Farish Royal Scot tender drive.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/943-260318104055.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/943-260318104120.jpeg)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: simon.bolton on March 26, 2018, 11:08:30 AM
Hi Gareth, that's absolutely lovely! I didn't realise Farish did a tender drive, could you post a pic of the tender and loco chassis to see how you fitted it all in?

Cheers
Simon
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on March 26, 2018, 11:39:32 AM
For a while they switched to tender drive - Royal Scot, Jubilee, 5MT and maybe more.
As I don't do DCC I removed the blanking plate to reduce the tender height. It will run on its own as it also picks up but I've added pickups from the drivers which transfer power through the Farish drawbar which was designed for the job.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/63/943-260318113558.jpeg)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Newportnobby on March 26, 2018, 11:45:43 AM
Top job. You've created a thing of beauty :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on March 26, 2018, 11:48:18 AM
I've finally done some modelling!

YES! He's back and in great style!  8) 8) 8)

Lovely locomotive Gareth. I'm interested in your bogie arrangement. Have you mounted directly to the 'frames' under the smokebox? If so how are the clearances and tracking of the loco?
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on March 26, 2018, 11:51:49 AM
For a while they switched to tender drive - Royal Scot, Jubilee, 5MT and maybe more.

Just to add to the list of Farish tender driven locomotives:

- LNER B1
- LNER J39 (same tender drive as the B1 with different bodies)
- LNER A1
- LNER A2 (same tender drive as the A1 with various bodies)
- LMS Black Five (same tender drive as the Jubilee and Scott)
- BR 4MT two different drives; large and small tenders (the 5MT was an early coreless motor, loco driven model)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on March 26, 2018, 12:11:43 PM
Lovely locomotive Gareth. I'm interested in your bogie arrangement. Have you mounted directly to the 'frames' under the smokebox? If so how are the clearances and tracking of the loco?

I always directly mount bogies to the 'frames' and never had any issues. I use exactly the same method as Union Millls with a bolt acting as the pivot locating directly in to the smokebox except pop a spring over the bolt to keep the bogie firmly planted. The frames did need a little filing to ensure there was just enough clearance.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on March 26, 2018, 12:14:46 PM

Just to add to the list of Farish tender driven locomotives:

- LNER B1
- LNER J39 (same tender drive as the B1 with different bodies)
- LNER A1
- LNER A2 (same tender drive as the A1 with various bodies)
- LMS Black Five (same tender drive as the Jubilee and Scott)
- BR 4MT two different drives; large and small tenders (the 5MT was an early coreless motor, loco driven model)
More than I thought or remembered. It's my aging brain!
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on March 26, 2018, 03:49:03 PM
Lovely locomotive Gareth. I'm interested in your bogie arrangement. Have you mounted directly to the 'frames' under the smokebox? If so how are the clearances and tracking of the loco?

I always directly mount bogies to the 'frames' and never had any issues. I use exactly the same method as Union Millls with a bolt acting as the pivot locating directly in to the smokebox except pop a spring over the bolt to keep the bogie firmly planted. The frames did need a little filing to ensure there was just enough clearance.

You've jinxed it  ;) Prior to visiting the paint shop it was fine. Now reassembled the bogie derails at every opportunity. Don't you just hate it when that happens  :'( Fettling is required
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Caz on March 26, 2018, 03:51:28 PM
Lovely job, a nice crisp model.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Hailstone on March 26, 2018, 04:41:10 PM
What chassis did you use? I Can't believe that after building such a beautiful body you would put something like that (farish 4P) underneath!

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on March 26, 2018, 04:52:13 PM
No Farish 4P was hurt in the making of this loco. Royal Scot tender drive,drivers from a UM 2P as I scrounge all 'N' wheels from my local 2mm SA group after they've done their conversions and bogie is the spare you get with larger wheels in Farish locos  :D
Also disaster averted re the derailing bogie as I had forgotten to thread the small spring over the screw that keeps the bogie pressed to the track.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 14, 2018, 11:51:39 AM
Hot on the heels of the L class I've converted another M7 to an H class but this time gone for wartime grey. It's amazing the difference a livery can make to the look of a loco.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/943-140418114824.jpeg)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Newportnobby on April 14, 2018, 12:49:31 PM
Very nice indeed :thumbsup:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Hailstone on April 15, 2018, 12:56:06 AM
Hot on the heels of the L class I've converted another M7 to an H class but this time gone for wartime grey. It's amazing the difference a livery can make to the look of a loco.
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/943-140418114824.jpeg[/url])


Any chance of a step by step tutorial on how to turn an M7 into an H tank? (please!) I would love to have a BR auto fitted version.

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on April 15, 2018, 07:20:25 AM
Beautiful work on that H class Gareth. Did you lower the tanks at all? The one I've been working on in CAD has stalled as I can't lower the tanks enough and it looks wrong to me. Yours looks just right though.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 15, 2018, 10:08:35 AM
Any chance of a step by step tutorial on how to turn an M7 into an H tank? (please!) I would love to have a BR auto fitted version.

If you can get your hands on it I wrote an article showing how I did it in NGS Journal 4/13.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 15, 2018, 10:11:30 AM
Beautiful work on that H class Gareth. Did you lower the tanks at all? The one I've been working on in CAD has stalled as I can't lower the tanks enough and it looks wrong to me. Yours looks just right though.
I did by approx. 1.25mm and it still fits over the motor mount and the boiler moulding carries on below the existing tank tops by enough to not need to alter it. If you have NGS Journal 4/13 you can probably see how much was removed in one of the photos by the remaining lining on the donor.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on April 15, 2018, 11:41:24 AM
Thanks Gareth, I'll dig out my copy and have a look once I've found it! :)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Hailstone on April 15, 2018, 12:10:57 PM
Any chance of a step by step tutorial on how to turn an M7 into an H tank? (please!) I would love to have a BR auto fitted version.

If you can get your hands on it I wrote an article showing how I did it in NGS Journal 4/13.
I have just read it Gareth, I think that it will have to go into the round to it box after the County (if I can get enough mojo to restart it!) I am having too much fun running trains at the moment.

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 16, 2018, 11:37:07 AM
Moving on to my next project a Farish 3MT chassis has been modified. Work is being hampered a bit as the chassis hadn't moved for a few years and the gear on the driver has split so I'm awaiting a replacement from Farish.
Anyhow, I digress, can you guess what it is yet?
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/943-160418113308.jpeg)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on April 16, 2018, 02:23:45 PM
An SECR J class???

Have you swapped the motor around? You're giving me ideas about the donor chassis for my A5 now...
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 16, 2018, 03:39:50 PM
You guessed that far too quickly ;)
I've not switched the motor round but have turned the conrods round as the front is now the back.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on April 16, 2018, 03:58:38 PM
You guessed that far too quickly ;)
I've not switched the motor round but have turned the conrods round as the front is now the back.

Well I did grab my copy of 'A Pictorial Record of Southern Locomotives' and looked it up; not many 0-6-4 configurations to choose from...

You've turned the conrods round? Do you mean that you've reversed the wheelsets? If so, have you had any problems as the 3MT chassis isn't quite an equal wheelbase (7'6 by 7'9 from memory). Speaking of which, put some Jubilee value gear and driving wheels under that coupled with a bogie and the 3MT chassis block would be a decent starting point for an Arthur...
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 16, 2018, 04:56:11 PM
I don't think Farish bothered with the odd inch as the spacings on the conrod are identical so no issues with turning them round.
An Arthur is a bit too modern but if I should move westwards you never know ;)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Dr Al on April 16, 2018, 11:44:31 PM
Work is being hampered a bit as the chassis hadn't moved for a few years and the gear on the driver has split

Out of interest what type gear was it? - white nylon or black plastic - I've seen both on different productions of the 3MT.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on April 17, 2018, 09:29:34 AM
Out of interest what type gear was it? - white nylon or black plastic - I've seen both on different productions of the 3MT.
It was the white nylon, first time one of them has split on me. Doubly annoying as Farish don't supply just the gear as a spare, you have to buy a complete wheelset. Still, it does mean I'll have some spare drivers to use on something ;)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 01, 2018, 01:24:33 PM
The J Class has now left the paint shop. It's wearing Wainwrights simplified livery after it was suggested his extravagant livery was a bit on the pricey side by the SECR board. 207 wore this livery upon delivery but soon succumbed to the wartime grey.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/943-010518131659.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/64/943-010518131636.jpeg)

Just for a bit of a change I went back to plasticard construction rather than brass so my fingers aren't so singed! Fittings are modified NBrass.
We'll ignore the fact I seem to have left the front guard irons off.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Newportnobby on May 01, 2018, 01:26:12 PM
Looks fabulous. Great job! :admiration:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on May 01, 2018, 01:38:14 PM
Once again, Gareth waves his magic wand and a fantastic looking locomotive appears!

Awesome work!  8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 10, 2018, 12:15:13 PM
Just received my E2 print, Shapeways skimping on packaging again ;)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/943-100518121057.jpeg)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on May 10, 2018, 12:51:37 PM
Just received my E2 print, Shapeways skimping on packaging again ;)
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/65/943-100518121057.jpeg[/url])


That E2 does look rather nice - or rather the enlarge pictures on Sparkshot's Shapeways shop does! I can't wait to see what you do with it (LBSCR livery I take it). What chassis are you planning to put under it?

I agree with you regarding the packaging. I just wish that Shapeways would use a larger box to better protect the models!  :smiley-laughing: :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Newportnobby on May 10, 2018, 01:20:07 PM
 :laughabovepost: :smiley-laughing: :o
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 10, 2018, 04:05:46 PM
That E2 does look rather nice - or rather the enlarge pictures on Sparkshot's Shapeways shop does! I can't wait to see what you do with it (LBSCR livery I take it). What chassis are you planning to put under it?

It'll be in LBSC lined black, although a bit modern for my other Brighton stock! Chassis will probably be an older Farish GP chassis. They did a cheap run of them that went into starter sets (I think) with plastic bodies with buffers part of the chassis. I picked up a handful for a fiver each a few years ago at the NGS AGM. Correct wheel base and wheel size which are blackened with smaller flanges but motor too bulky so it will be getting replaced.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Bob G on May 10, 2018, 10:15:04 PM
I had a look at this last week, when I was perusing the W class tank.
As i have both Langley kits for the E2 and the extended tank E2, i wonder how these shape up, given they are designed for the same GP/94xx chassis?
No pun intended.
I think i prefer the adaptability of the whitemetal rather than the grain of the 3D print, but then I am and older modeller, and the E2 was introduced way back when.
I too have the starter set chassis, but i dont have the aversion to the motor that you have.
Bob
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on May 11, 2018, 10:47:52 AM
Hi Bob,
I, too, have both those white metal kits but there really is no comparison. They have been around for years and IMHO look their age but there is still a lot to be said for the ruggedness of white metal. They both are compromised to fit the chassis which is why I am looking at cobbling together my own. Regarding the grain of the 3D print I opted for FXD. It costs a little more but has only required the absolute minimum of sanding, far less than the filing of misshapen bits of metal! I have no aversion to the existing motor either, indeed, it runs extremely well and seems a pity to destroy it but its height means the body has to sit to high. IIRC you had to trim a fair bit off the pole pieces anyway to fit the Langley body but it was still too high.

Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on June 05, 2018, 11:15:56 AM
The E2 is finished. It didn't take much work as the FXD I had it ordered in really is worth the extra £3. I did make a few tweaks, I felt the pump was a little oversized so replaced it. With FXD the buffers, although excellent, were just waiting to be knocked off so I replaced them, cracking a chunk of the buffer beam as I did it! The front vents on the tanks also looked a little long so they were shortened. Lettering is the hardest as there are no longer any suitable transfers so I had to use the closest font available and still had to modify the B and S.
For those interested in the chassis the standard Farish one wouldn't let the body sit low enough so I chopped a load off and added a Nigel Lawson motor and brake shoes etc.
(https://i.imgur.com/LzCLVYR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/0J0NsP9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/8QvTEFR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/rHh0az9.jpg)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Snowwolflair on June 05, 2018, 12:15:43 PM
Which Nigel Lawson motor are you using and how good a performance do you get - relative to a Farish original.

If it gives enough power this might save a lot of work and space fitting DCC to old Farish models.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on June 05, 2018, 12:35:08 PM
It's his 8mm x 16mm Midi Motor. I've used it numerous times as have a lot of fellow 2mm modellers with no issues. It is rated at 10v and comes with a resistor but after the first couple of locos I've not bothered with no obvious detrimental effect.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Snowwolflair on June 05, 2018, 12:43:07 PM
It's his 8mm x 16mm Midi Motor. I've used it numerous times as have a lot of fellow 2mm modellers with no issues. It is rated at 10v and comes with a resistor but after the first couple of locos I've not bothered with no obvious detrimental effect.

Thanks, i'm not worried by voltage as the output of a DCC chip will take care of that.  Do you think the strength of the motor is equivalent or better than the Farish offering as i'm thinking about using it in 4-6-2 locos and similar?
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on June 05, 2018, 01:08:03 PM
I've only used them on small locos but if you follow the link below and scroll down to post 24 Jerry explains his use of them and that the 7mm version is identical to the one Farish currently use: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/111614-chinese-motor-test/page-1 (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/111614-chinese-motor-test/page-1)
Elsewhere in the 2mm section of RMWeb there are photos of larger locos using the motor but not sure where they're buried.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Snowwolflair on June 05, 2018, 01:11:13 PM
Thanks

I know Nigel and his motors are very good for OO9 models which is his thing.  I think I will get a set and experiment.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on June 05, 2018, 02:36:48 PM
Outstanding work Gareth, that's a lovely looking E2!
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on June 09, 2018, 09:11:18 PM
A SECR 6 wheel brake has just left the paint shop. 3D print from Recreation21 on Shapeways. Just need to sort the couplings.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/66/943-090618210636.jpeg)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: CarriageShed on June 09, 2018, 11:26:58 PM
I just stuck a Peco Elsie on one end of mine (not particularly visible here, unfortunately):

(http://www.ngauge.historyfiles.co.uk/images/rollingstock/GeneralWork197.jpg)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: JohnBS on June 10, 2018, 01:03:01 PM
Gareth,
I am very impressed by your high quality modelling and, in particular, the beautiful realisation of the Wainwright livery. Despite being a dyed-in-the-wool Great Western modeller, I consider the Wainwright D-class the epitome of locomotive elegance.
I look forward to more postings.
Best wishes,
John
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on June 10, 2018, 07:09:44 PM
I just stuck a Peco Elsie on one end of mine (not particularly visible here, unfortunately):
But I'm mad and use 3 link couplings, I just need to make a few more when I can gather enough enthusiasm ;)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Hailstone on July 25, 2018, 12:53:36 PM
But I'm mad and use 3 link couplings, I just need to make a few more when I can gather enough enthusiasm ;)

I don't think you are mad, madness is drilling holes in the bottom of n gauge loco lamps so that you can put them on the lamp irons with a magnifying glass and tweezers and move them when you wish to change lamp codes (I'll go back to my rubber room now!)

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Newportnobby on July 25, 2018, 05:12:45 PM
Such devotion to realism fully justifies the white coat with the wraparound sleeves, Alex :laugh3:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Caz on July 25, 2018, 09:23:43 PM

I don't think you are mad, madness is drilling holes in the bottom of n gauge loco lamps so that you can put them on the lamp irons with a magnifying glass and tweezers and move them when you wish to change lamp codes (I'll go back to my rubber room now!)

Regards,
Alex


Even worse is doing it with working loco lamps

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/202-100816153319-427531002.jpeg)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/202-100816153331-427551536.jpeg)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Snowwolflair on July 25, 2018, 11:47:07 PM
There is always one........but itís usually me  :D
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Hailstone on July 26, 2018, 01:03:10 AM
Looks like there are enough of us to form a club - the OCD's perhaps?

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: thebrighton on October 23, 2018, 06:25:16 PM
Over on RMWeb Tom (Turbosnail) had been tinkering with a few 3D prints so when he did one for an F1 I asked if it could be shot down to N and he obliged :) This is the first print I've played with that isn't the ususal Shapeways FUD and it comes in a nice resin. Downside is the support isn't wax but fun and therapeutic to remove!
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/943-231018181411.jpeg)

Plus side is there is zero layering so no tedious sanding.

To motorise it another Terrier was sacrificed with drivers from a Dapol B17 and the larger wheeled Farish front bogie. This is as received minus the supports.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/943-231018181434.jpeg)

It's alive!


Of course it had to be in full Wainwright...
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/943-231018182010.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/70/943-231018182038.jpeg)

Just need to sort some brakes for it.

Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Atso on October 23, 2018, 08:07:26 PM
Stunning work there Gareth!  8)
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Newportnobby on October 23, 2018, 09:45:13 PM
Stunning work there Gareth!  8)

Wot Steve said. That looks superb.
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: martin.2010 on October 24, 2018, 10:28:05 AM
amazing work  :heart2:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Hailstone on October 24, 2018, 11:10:35 AM
Another fine product from the Brighton works Gareth, bust I do feel sorry for those poor terriers!

Regards,

Alex
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: Train Waiting on October 24, 2018, 11:15:02 AM
Stunning work there Gareth!  8)

Wot Steve said. That looks superb.


Seconded!

A beautiful locomotive.


John
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: MinZaPint on October 24, 2018, 11:20:36 AM
That is one lovely Loco and beautiful in that livery  :wonderfulmodelling:
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: chorleysteve on November 17, 2018, 11:32:27 AM
Never thought I'd see an F1 in N; stunning work there Gareth
Title: Re: On my Pre Grouping (Southern) workbench
Post by: silly moo on November 17, 2018, 12:12:21 PM
Itís always a pleasure to see your work.

 :wonderfulmodelling: