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Title: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 23, 2013, 11:33:22 AM
As a complete novice never having owned a trainset let alone a model railway I took the plunge last April after tinkering with OO and discovering there was no room available to have a decent layout. So sold all the OO and funded this venture.

I am not really that bothered about prototypical but wanted a layout I could build to suit MY ideas and give me a challenge, Geominster has evolved after a lot of planning on Anyrail. There have been additions and alterations since the planning stage and a whole lot of learning. It has now reached the stage where all is working and some scenery etc started.

Here are the beginnings. Anyrail plan still subject to alterations and improvements, track laid loosely on the baseboard. I constructed the baseboard to swivel on the end supports to save me working from the floor as I am not as agile as I used to be, this turned out to be a great idea and made for simple wiring.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_8964.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8964)

 I will add more photos as time permits. Hopefully over the festive period I can progress with this thread.

I just hope that anyone who is hesitating starting this great hobby can perhaps take encouragement to take the plunge and have a go.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: scotsoft on December 23, 2013, 11:46:01 AM
You have plenty track for running trains there George and I will look forward to your future posts showing the progress of your layout.  Do have any plans for buildings in the central areas?

cheers John.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 23, 2013, 11:52:27 AM
Hi John.

The whole project started way back April 2013, so as you can imagine there has been a lot of progress and mistakes made along the way, I am just placing about 16 locomotives on there if possible and still leaving some room to run through them, as everyone in the family are expected over the Christmas period I am hoping to show off the progress.

There is a main line station in the centre section and upper level which is difficult to see from the plan.

Will post some photos later as they are already on pc ready to upload.

Geo.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: GroupC on December 23, 2013, 11:56:40 AM
Good work and welcome to the forum. Nice track plan - looks like you'll get a lot of pleasure from it. Nice to see you've got to grips with the basic rule: build it to suit yourself and no-one else - no-one should tell you it's "wrong"! And on here I don't think anyone will; we all seem to be very liberal and tolerant of anything N gauge, which is really good.

More photos please - especially your swivel idea: sounds intriguing.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 23, 2013, 12:08:31 PM
The next stage was to lay cork underlay and construct the slope and raised area.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_8979.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8979)


Viewed from the opposite end as building progresses.

 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_8979.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8979)

Hindsight being what it is I should have either cut and fitted the sheet ballast I later used at this stage or used loose ballast, however I learned something by not doing it now.

I used fishplates with wire already soldered as droppers to connect later, perhaps should mention that this layout was always intended to be DCC run.

Point motor holes should also been provided prior to laying and fixing track - another lesson learnt.

to be continued.....
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 23, 2013, 12:23:33 PM
Sorry I should have started with these two photographs showing the construction of the baseboard and leg assembly allowing me to swivel the baseboard to work on underneath without crawling on the floor!


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_8985.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8985)

I had intended to possibly show this layout so I made two end supports connected by four removable timber interlocking cross members, no screws or fixings required on the cross members. Attached to the end supports are two swivel blocks at each internal corner which hold the baseboard in place when the correct way up and support the weight when inverted.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_8984.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8984)

Showing the swivel blocks which secure the top when in place.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_8986.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8986)

The overall height of the layout is 1150mm and the length 2050mm x 750mm ( approximately a standard internal door size). I made it that high so it would clear a storage unit indoors underneath it and still swivel above and without moving it.


I hope that the above while out of sequence with the build explains the swivel principle I developed.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_8987.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8987)

photograph of underside of baseboard sorry about poor quality picture by phone.

to be continued....
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on December 23, 2013, 03:21:04 PM
I am very impressed with your progress, and am sure your visitors will be, too :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: jonclox on December 23, 2013, 04:01:52 PM
That's a fantastic idea for rolling the board over for ease of wiring.
The layout itself looks great so far.
I look forward to following your progress.
Your workshop certainly looks like your used to working in wood etc. (I is jealous)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on December 23, 2013, 09:16:09 PM
(I is jealous)

Tut Tut - shouldn't that be 'I are jealous' :laugh:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 23, 2013, 09:17:55 PM
 :NGaugeForum:
(I is jealous)

Tut Tut - shouldn't that be 'I are jealous' :laugh:

Am even
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Stuart on December 23, 2013, 11:26:54 PM

 I really like the swivel baseboard idea. Wish I had thought of that.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 24, 2013, 05:43:20 AM
Is very useful to swivel board especially when beginning layout, not so helpful when layout is built up and rolling stock on it and you realise that there is a slight blip somewhere!! That causes a hesitation and reluctance to "just turn it over".

If I have an issue or need to add something I usually make small list and do all the bits at the same time, unless of course it is something major.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Pengi on December 24, 2013, 06:49:21 AM
Great idea - swivel baseboard :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on December 24, 2013, 08:45:13 AM
 :no: :no: whaha, in holland they have invented a new word swaffel therapeut ( not sure if google will translate this. )

anyway, very nice layout and plan, look forward to see the development

M.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bealman on December 24, 2013, 11:43:24 AM
Mate that is all very neat work, and the latest pics showing the upper level have put it all into better perspective for me.

Your swivelling baseboard has certainly gained forum approval judging by the above posts, and by heck, after grovelling around on a concrete floor under my baseboard for a couple of days, I can see why!

Look forward to further reports!

Merry Christmas!  :beers:

George
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: dodger112958 on December 24, 2013, 08:53:10 PM
 :greatpicturessign:

Looking really good, like everyone else, I love the idea of a swivelling board to allow for easy wiring etc.
Look forward to seeing more.
Ian
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 06, 2014, 07:39:49 AM
Time for a few more photos of progress as Geominster makes it indoors from the workshop before it gets too heavy.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9332.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9332)

still very much work in progress and time to have a little play and check all runs OK.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9334.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9334)

I must remember on future projects to put ballast mat down under the track before fixing and also to drill point motor spindle holes.

Really impressed by the complexity of the layout, a puzzle and challenge which has turned out better than I had hoped, will post a plan soon and you will see that the tracks cross over and merge, not prototypical but hey this is my train set! All seems to run OK just one section where I missed out dropper wires which went dead when a point was changed, sorted in a few minutes and connected to power bus easily.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bealman on January 06, 2014, 10:48:40 AM
Mate, that is some of the neatest work I have ever seen and a credit to you.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on January 06, 2014, 11:35:11 AM
That's looking really good, and the mimic panel is very neat :envy:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 06, 2014, 08:37:52 PM
While a lot of the work on Geominster has been progressing over the past few months I have been on a steep learning curve particularly with the mimic panel, the original one was almost impossible to follow so I printed this one from Anyrail and coloured in the tracks in different colours, the two loops being green and black, the other colours used to separate them so it was simple to programme two running loops, leaving shunting operations to take place separately.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9335.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9335)

Here is the amended mimic panel which was also amended to accommodate a link to a proposed module fiddle yard I intend to build later this year. The blue track bottom right now contains point leading to the fiddle yard.

As I said earlier I am on a learning curve and there have been a few alterations and improvements, the platform lights are currently under replacement due to their fragility and placement being susceptible to damage.

I am presently working on the lighting and electrical circuits, as I am not as supple as I used to be I have taken all switched 12v supplies to the removable hill where I am experimenting to the disgust of a few with a breadboard for connections to each light, signal, illuminated cars, yard lamps etc etc. All lighting is controlled from the mimic board, there is also a switch which diverts the power supply from the main track to a straight removable programming track, the other 12 volt supply to the CDU is also switchable.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bealman on January 06, 2014, 10:11:24 PM
That panel is treally good. Where did you get the coloured pushbuttons? Here in Australia I have only ever seen red and black in local electronics outlets.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 06, 2014, 10:18:13 PM
Hi Buddy, Push buttons via Fleabay, great for showing routes, just need to follow the colour code, press them in turn all set to go !

Think I may have the link for coloured push buttons from Seller, I can PM it tomorrow if you wish.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 07, 2014, 09:35:55 AM
Trying to get the project up to date so here are a few more photos.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9359.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9359)

The incline to the top track loop with a row of low profile warehouses giving a small scenic backdrop, as can be seen a long way to go with the scenery, the signal box conceals a surface mounted Peco point motor which had to fit at track level because there was little clearance in the tunnel.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9361.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9361)

View in opposite direction showing the new link on the right to proposed fiddle yard my next project, I had intended to store rolling stock on the main layout but have outgrown that before completion :-[

Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 07, 2014, 09:48:03 AM
Looking very good already. Looking forward to learning from your experience.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 08, 2014, 09:50:47 AM
Plan of Geominster below kindly extracted by whiteswan as I cannot get it to show. :claphappy:

Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Caz on January 08, 2014, 10:02:44 AM
To assist members to easily access the image here is the plan of Geominister extracted from the pdf

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9396.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9396)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 08, 2014, 10:05:41 AM
Thank you, how did you do that?
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Caz on January 08, 2014, 02:54:30 PM
It is all done by magic.  ;)  PM sent
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 08, 2014, 09:03:04 PM
Still playing catch up on progress so I thought would share a few ideas and easy tips.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9420.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9420)

Cable tidy keeps the wire on the roll, pull off what you need and thread accordingly.

Have been playing with a simple way to connect multiple lights and came across breadboard, whilst probably frowned upon by many this works for me as no soldering needed to connect cables and a regulated 5v or 3v supply from 12 volt transformer.
Correct sized wire means a snug push fit connection. Also no fiddling soldering resistors in place etc. Will eventually have two breadboards controlling anything that needs resistors, signal, lights etc. A power input each end means I can have four switched sections of lights signals etc. on the two boards.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9419.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9419)


Partially connected and disappointed with the supplied tags so will swap to 50mm short pieces of wire looped to connect across the tags.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9419.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9419)

All concealed under the removable hill access panel so can deal with derailments and now also play electrician!

More tomorrow
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on January 08, 2014, 09:05:40 PM
Thanks George - I'll be investigating the garage tomorrow to see what timber I have lying around :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 08, 2014, 09:08:36 PM
Still playing catch up on progress so I thought would share a few ideas and easy tips.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9420.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9420[/url])

Cable tidy keeps the wire on the roll, pull off what you need and thread accordingly.


Excellent idea. Many thanks.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 08, 2014, 09:11:12 PM
Only need few offcuts, I put elastic bands across it to keep dowel in place as despite being tight fit it kept jumping out and the band also keeps tension on the rolls, drilled a hole on side of drum to tuck wire in to stop it untangling when using another roll.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 08, 2014, 09:20:59 PM
The removable hill removed lol !

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9366.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9366)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 09, 2014, 07:06:50 PM
Here is the proposed extension module to Geominster which will probably be amended and altered in the coming months before I actually start the build.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9455.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9455)

The intention is to join the module to Geominster at the bottom left of the module to the bottom right of Geominster.



The module to form a fiddle yard and also attach to other modules currently under construction within the family.


Just completed the first phase of lights all powered from the breadboard and all work brilliantly, so simple too.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9456.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9456)


Geominster at night - lighting up time to test the overall appearance.  :)

Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 09, 2014, 07:37:32 PM
Very nice lighting; something else on my list to learn. Could you write an "Idiot's Guide" for those of us who also want to light our buildings?
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 09, 2014, 07:43:26 PM
Very nice lighting; something else on my list to learn. Could you write an "Idiot's Guide" for those of us who also want to light our buildings?
E

That really would be the blind leading the blind, but I am sure there are plenty of good people here to advise on the type of light, even exterior lights are the same principle.

Basically all I have done is take a 12 volt transformer and taken both cables to an illuminated switch on the control panel and taken the switched feed to terminal block  from where it goes to my breadboard distribution panel so one switch puts all the lights or whatever you connect to the switched feed goes live.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 09, 2014, 07:54:48 PM
Err, thanks. Which sort of 12 volt transformer? I seem to recall mention of old mobile phone chargers being suitable (of which i have a few). Switched Feed? Terminal Block? Breadboard?

I'll have to look for a real Idiot's Guide!  ???
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 09, 2014, 08:16:21 PM
I use a variable output transformer like this


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231080502206?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/231080502206?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649)

Cut off the end fitting, take an illuminated switch, one cable to one side of switch, other to ground usually centre connection and return that one to a terminal block, from the remaining connection to adjacent connection on terminal block, then when switch is on, the light in it illuminates and so will any lights connected to the terminal block. You can then adjust voltage on transformer and make sure if lights you are using need resistors they are fitted in correct wire of the light, if doesn't work then resistor on wrong cable to light.

Probably plenty of people here with better ideas and better explanations than above though. Take a search through the dc section.


Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 09, 2014, 08:32:38 PM
Many thanks indeed, George, for this very clear explanation.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on January 09, 2014, 09:25:35 PM
I have a particular liking for night shots and yours look excellent, George :thumbsup:
In fact, so realistic there seems to be a diesel nodding off under the overbridge :sleep:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 09, 2014, 09:27:52 PM
There is indeed and a few more scattered around :-)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 12, 2014, 08:25:50 AM
Managed to spend some time yesterday wiring in some signals that I have had for ages controlled by passive infra red switches attached to small variable pcb . I have been putting this off for a while because it looked complicated and basically I was nervous of it, should have known better and all worked well and I managed to fit five of them along with two yard lights I found in the storage drawer.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/thumb_9547.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9547)

Daylight shot showing signals and the sensors before concealing them.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/thumb_9548.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9548)

Close up of sensors secured in place waiting for shrubbery or anything else I can find to disguise them.


Night time at Geominster

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/thumb_9541.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9541)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/thumb_9544.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9544)

Shot showing the yard lights giving the locomotives a highlight.

All a bit bright but looks effective in real life, must try and brush up on night time photography. The changes from green to red on the signals is great as a locomotive passes, and then returns to green all by variable adjustable settings on pcb.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/thumb_9542.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9542)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/thumb_9543.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9543)


Pictures show how I must get the platform furniture fitted and some of Geominster population waiting for trains. Hopefully can progress with some more scenery shortly.

So pleased all the lighting works OK from the "breadboard" panel though,
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 21, 2014, 08:39:13 PM
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/thumb_9726.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9726)

Update on the breadboard supplying the streetlights individually, needs a little more work replacing the supplied linking cables, the power module provides 3 or 5 volt regulated from dc supply. Maplins supplied the plug fitting.

I use pluggable terminal block so the hill which conceals the breadboard is easily removed simply by pulling the terminal block apart and putting safely away.

Probably frowned upon by many but it all serves the purpose for me and saved hours soldering resistors.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on March 17, 2014, 05:04:07 PM
Well it has been a while since I posted here, reason being that I decided that I would take the Hornby Railmaster route with elink to control the layout, this of course created a lot of work and quite an expense mainly on the DCC Decoders. Pleased to report that all is almost complete and running again, a lot more space in the "train room" by doing away with the mimic control board.

Still getting to grips with RM but I believe I have taken the right decision, I have made a small modification to Geominster - the layout to accommodate an extension fiddle yard in the future, I will post some more information as soon as I can.

The original fiddle yard layout has been extensively reworked and is much improved giving both a larger track and a lot of siding storage which is desperately wanted.

See you soon, Geo.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on March 20, 2014, 06:06:58 PM
Well tested layout yesterday and the RLM is useless now due to elink pathetic output, all trips out on points, so now have to abandon the loop and have a terminus instead. Not good really and more work, will post findings as and when.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on March 20, 2014, 06:24:06 PM
Sorry to read that, Geo. Hope you're able to come up with a solution. Perhaps someone FAR more knowledgeable than I in such matters (I know nothing about them), can help?
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: trainsdownunder on March 20, 2014, 09:24:13 PM
Quote
the RLM is useless now due to elink pathetic outpu
Is this just a power issue as a  booster may solve your problem.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on March 20, 2014, 09:33:46 PM
It sounds like lack of power allows elink to trip before the RLM kicks in.

As the layout is quite complex to run i am going to take the central link out and create a terminus, jub sorted hopefully.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: EtchedPixels on March 20, 2014, 11:52:11 PM
Quote
the RLM is useless now due to elink pathetic outpu
Is this just a power issue as a  booster may solve your problem.

Some of the reversing loop modules also have adjustable trip points. It's not necessarily the output so much as the speed of the trip. You need the reversing loop to trip faster than the DCC unit - so it may in fact be that the E-Link trip is just too good 8)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on March 21, 2014, 05:03:54 AM
Quite possibly too good but think that unlikely.

Anyway this weekend is track relaying and resolve three issues in one.

The reverse loop problem which prevents any movement across the centre of Geominster rendering all that area useless, and also helps with the running of the layout by removing some of it's complexity which is attributed to my over complication initially and finally by making the centre a terminus and not a through line I can store trains there waiting other movements.

All positives really I suppose, just another load of work.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 17, 2014, 08:31:51 PM
Hi again, it's been nearly six months since I posted here and not much going on at Geominster apart from plenty of thinking.

I reinstated the reverse loop by just one through line as I realised there was no way of turning train direction without it, I also provided two separate tracks which will lead to an extension board with fiddle yard storage.

I gave up on the mimic panel I made as it was too complicated to operate, I was tempted by Hornby Railmaster and elink which seemed a great scheme and I managed to get it direct from Hornby for under 70 ! Ordered several dcc point decoders from Tawcrafts who were great and pre programmed them making life simple. I managed to get the Railmaster plan drawn up on the laptop and all the point decoders fitted, a small amount of track alteration was also done while all the other work was going on made Geominster more workable .

Cutting a long story short Railmaster controlled the points and was good at programming a route with the schematic showing point directions and everything seemed great. But while running locos around, I found that I never had time to actually watch the trains on the layout but needed to watch the laptop screen all the time.

I decided to abort Railmaster for loco control but retain it for the route setting and schematic which all worked well on my ipad. Previously I used NEC Powercab for loco control so I decided to go back to that for loco control and separated the circuits so they never conflicted.

During the hot weather I have been avoiding any work on the layout but last week spent a day making a few adjustments and basically testing the whole layout. To my delight it all works brilliantly, Powercab allows control of locos without watching the controller and I have set up six loco recalls so I can have plenty of action with something going on all the time, so basically was the right decision for me anyway.

I have bought a few more locos during the summer and fitted the dcc chips in them so all set to play now.

I have also done the planning to the layout extension which will give me fiddle yard storage and a longer running layout which will probably start in earnest mid September.

I will try and get some photos and plans on the thread shortly.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on August 17, 2014, 09:57:50 PM
Thanks for the update, George, and I'm glad to hear you have things set up in the best way for you to operate. I just wouldn't be able to play run trains without looking at them as that's what I bought them for.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on October 13, 2014, 07:56:09 AM
Just cannot believe how quickly time flies by, two months since I threatened to update and still not done it.
Hornby Railmaster update done without any mishap I delayed doing it because of possible problems but all went well, even the Pro add on went well and has made all my 45 degree points tidy on the mimic panel.
Tried out a new Deltic 55 yesterday over the entire layout and apart from one point direction setting and a very small dead spot on the track between a point and IRJ all was good. I have been loathe to try Geominster for a while because each time I have attempted to have a running session things have gone wrong. Not this time though. :D
Did discover the mimic of four points was wrong and altered that to follow the actual layout, how did I miss that?
Anyway hopefully going to populate Geominster with locos and rolling stock this week and post some photos here, long overdue.
Still loads of scenery to complete and I have been mulling over the proposed fiddle yard extension most of 2014, think I have decided what I want from it now and track and points been purchased.
I will endeavour a scan of the whole plans later.
Hoping to get the Brighton Belle soon for the Geominster Preservation Line.
Working on a Police Transit with blues working, need to construct a housing for them above the cab and transfers for the rear door.
Graffitti has been getting some attention and is next to print and apply.
All these ideas just means the job list gets longer and the completion date further away.
Hey Ho, and then of course my Xmas List, where did that go to just thought of something ease to add. ;D
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bealman on October 13, 2014, 08:05:50 AM
Good to hear you have a new Deltic... isn't it a great model?

Wot colour is it  >:D ;)

'cos you know the only blue is Nanking Blue, don't you.  :D ;)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on October 13, 2014, 08:59:02 AM
The Deltic is Graham Farish Kings Own Light Infantry which is operating out of my overflowing Preservation Line, in fact it may have to replace two others that will now be visiting "guests". Farish have made a great model and I picked it up new never run for 70.
It is a great slow and controlled runner under DCC, the headcode looks good and possibly my current favourite loco.

Very tempted to get another .....  but think the Blue Brighton Belle is next.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bealman on October 13, 2014, 09:19:30 AM
Got the same one which I picked up at Wigan on my trip earlier in the year. I love it, but you got a better price than I did!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on October 13, 2014, 10:08:02 AM
Good to hear you have a new Deltic... isn't it a great model?

Wot colour is it  >:D ;)

'cos you know the only blue is Nanking Blue, don't you.  :D ;)

Oh Gawd :doh:
Now he's mixing up his Deltics with Blue Pullmans :P
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bealman on October 13, 2014, 11:18:13 AM
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
PLUS
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EQUALS

N Gauge happiness, even though the two would never have met.

No doubt someone will prove me wrong.  ;D :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: wookie on October 13, 2014, 11:23:45 AM
Oh I do wish people wouldn't keep putting up pictures of lovely blue Pullmans  :drool:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 13, 2014, 11:24:14 AM
Thanks for those nice photos. Superb scenic modelling (ballast, grass, bushes, trees), looks just like real life.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on October 13, 2014, 01:15:45 PM
He is hijacking my thread, and making my scenery look poor which it is.  :'(
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 13, 2014, 01:57:12 PM
I certainly don't think that your scenery is poor.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on October 13, 2014, 02:18:27 PM
Thanks Chris, but the camera can lie. :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on October 27, 2014, 04:56:28 AM
About time I reported on progress although has been little lately going on at Geominster.

Reason being that I have been working despite being retired and playtime has been suspended. In the meantime a lot of rolling stock has been purchased but nowhere to run it.

I decided that there were too many different brick papers being used so would change them all to the same, new tunnel entrances and some sort of uniformity was called for. That was all fine and progressed well until in my wisdom because I have unreachable track in tunnels considered investing in Tomix to keep track clean. Not really a great idea as managed to break two dcc chips attempting to bend the chip before submitting and buying a Roco chip which did the job already bent and orientated correctly. Tomix takes to the track behind a class 66 and because it is oversize for N Gauge wouldn't go through most of the tunnel entrances. Prised the offending entrances away and tried again and all seemed good except there was an issue with two points which were derailing the 66, in doing so messed the address of Tomix so I spent ages sorting the derailing points. Also discovered a dead section of track which if travelling a medium speed would not cause an issue but if going slowly stalled so this need sorting. Just goes to prove that running /playing at intervals during track laying can be hugely beneficial in discovering any blips.

Tired of dismantling Tomix to re-programme chip I need to ensure that all track is running properly, the rubbish picked up by Tomix is incredible despite regularly hovering so proves an essential piece of track maintenance equipment.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 27, 2014, 08:20:20 AM
Many thanks, George, for the info. about the Tomix track cleaner. As Cant Cove will be stored under a bed, albeit under a cover, keeping the track clean will be a priority. I note that the Tomix vehicle is 'out-of-gauge' so will have to allow for that, particularly a tunnel entrance and a rail overbridge.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on October 27, 2014, 12:00:21 PM
Sorry am not good posting photos here but anyway below are two of the latest showing new brickwork and the loco shed.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/37/thumb_18005.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=18005)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/37/thumb_18004.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=18004)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: NeMo on October 27, 2014, 12:44:00 PM
I certainly don't think that your scenery is poor.
Nor do I, for what that's worth!

I think you're prudent in not making a layout of a particular place at a particular time. It's much more fun -- and useful, I'd suggest -- to have a "bit of everything" on your first proper layout that lets you practise all the different aspects of the hobby. Hills, trees, shopping centres, car parks, houses, gardens, railway depots, factories...

As and when you decide you want to model a particular time and place, you'll then have all the skills you need. I certainly found my specific time/place layout (Gone Nuclear) benefitted hugely from what I'd learned from my more generic round-and-around layout (Somewhere in the West Country).

I particularly like the bit where the viaducts wind over the modern shops and warehouses. Immediately reminds me of places like Watford where you can see exactly that!

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 27, 2014, 12:53:01 PM
Thanks for the picture updates, George. Your scenery is looking very good.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on October 27, 2014, 01:46:02 PM
Thanks Chris, If only you knew how I been all morning trying to upload the photos!

Will try and post more often now, have printed idiot proof instructions to resize and upload so should be easier next time.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 27, 2014, 02:18:16 PM
Thanks Chris, If only you knew how I been all morning trying to upload the photos!

Will try and post more often now, have printed idiot proof instructions to resize and upload so should be easier next time.

It was worth the effort, George. It took me a while to learn how to upload pictures, via Drop Bucket, but I can do so now.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on October 27, 2014, 02:31:52 PM
I certainly don't think that your scenery is poor.
Nor do I, for what that's worth!

I think you're prudent in not making a layout of a particular place at a particular time. It's much more fun -- and useful, I'd suggest -- to have a "bit of everything" on your first proper layout that lets you practise all the different aspects of the hobby. Hills, trees, shopping centres, car parks, houses, gardens, railway depots, factories...

As and when you decide you want to model a particular time and place, you'll then have all the skills you need. I certainly found my specific time/place layout (Gone Nuclear) benefitted hugely from what I'd learned from my more generic round-and-around layout (Somewhere in the West Country).

I particularly like the bit where the viaducts wind over the modern shops and warehouses. Immediately reminds me of places like Watford where you can see exactly that!

Cheers, NeMo

Thank you for your words of encouragement, this layout was originally thought to exhibit but I will never get that good so decided to make the best of my limited abilities which I am very pleased with so far, not happy at having to keep tearing bits down but hey ho eventually will get there.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on October 28, 2014, 06:47:27 AM
A couple more photos of Geominster, firstly night scene of the Engine Shed illuminated by the welder.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/37/thumb_18020.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=18020)


And secondly the new Dapol carriages for the preservation line illuminated and waiting for service. Supplied by a new Dapol Retailer that I have been using a while now who goes the extra mile and beats most other prices, www.derails.co.uk (http://www.derails.co.uk).

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/37/thumb_18019.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=18019)

Hopefully can progress the layout with some more scenery as currently sidelined due to kidney stone. Trying to get some brick piers to fit to the walling and have another remake of the tunnel entrances allowing Tomix enough clearance.

Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 28, 2014, 07:39:33 AM
Thanks for the atmospheric photos. Sorry to read about the kidney stone, something that I suffer from, too, and there seems to be no cure.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on October 28, 2014, 09:03:03 AM
This is the operating mimic in Railmaster of Geominster showing the existing main layout and the to be constructed Fiddle yard extension, this could well be amended during construction

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

Apologies if you have to open the pdf but it does show the bigger picture of what I have done already and where I hope to go with it in the future.

Railmaster as said before controls all the points and in time probably signalling, NCE Powercab controls the Locos and feels more "natural" by operating in one hand, there are 6 recalls available and I can watch and play at the same time.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: trainsdownunder on October 28, 2014, 09:13:12 AM
Sorry to read about the kidney stone, something that I suffer from, too, and there seems to be no cure.

No cure and one of the most disabilitating pains I ever get - although not suffered for a couple of years now.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on October 28, 2014, 09:20:32 AM
Sorry to read about the kidney stone, something that I suffer from, too, and there seems to be no cure.

No cure and one of the most disabilitating pains I ever get - although not suffered for a couple of years now.

Fingers crossed for you, and others may you never suffer the pain.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 28, 2014, 09:26:45 AM
Sorry to read about the kidney stone, something that I suffer from, too, and there seems to be no cure.

No cure and one of the most debilitating pains I ever get - although not suffered for a couple of years now.

The pain is not quite as bad as a broken arm but it is close. 8-(
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on October 31, 2014, 06:43:24 AM
Sitting around at home gives a lot of time to reflect on things, Geominster in particular. I have recently bought two plain white Oxford Transit vans along with four Flashing LED lights so I decided to make a couple of Police vans and have an "incident" somewhere. I have now fitted the lights and temporary connected to the electrics one of the vans, next up is the transfer applications, I got the battenburg and lettering ok but cannot find the red/yellow chevrons for the rear, anyway I hope to finish them later.

Here is the result so far, not going to stay between the tracks just a convenient resting place while testing!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/37/thumb_18099.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=18099)

Hope to finish the second one today and apply transfers to both, I think that some lighting really does create interest to the layout. I am going to try and create a video shortly showing things as they have progressed so far, always assuming I can make a video, maybe or probably definitely be asking for help to upload a link here.

I have also been collecting some images of graffiti from Google and have tried scaling down and printing them, they come out ok on plain paper so later I may try them on transfer paper for applying to the vast amount of walling I seem to have.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: crawler on November 06, 2014, 09:51:37 PM
George   
Impressed with the layout so far.

As for the Kidney stones  I know where you at as I have just come out of hospital Last Wednesday after having the OP to Laser them. (afterwards felt like I had been thrown from a train :o) but now well on the mend.

Dave (crawler)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 06, 2014, 09:54:10 PM
As a fellow kidney stone sufferer, I wish you all the best, Dave.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: trainsdownunder on November 06, 2014, 11:19:47 PM
Quote
I have also been collecting some images of graffiti from Google and have tried scaling down and printing them, they come out ok on plain paper so later I may try them on transfer paper for applying to the vast amount of walling I seem to have.

Those pesky paint sprayers got onto my layout recently
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bealman on November 06, 2014, 11:59:36 PM
That's pretty cool, Colin... unfortunately where I live, they ain't so creative.  :thumbsup:

George
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on November 07, 2014, 09:31:41 AM
Looks like it could have been the infamous 'Hole in the Wall' gang ;)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on November 07, 2014, 07:32:03 PM
As a fellow kidney stone sufferer, I wish you all the best, Dave.

Consultant at Hospital told me that kidneys all clear, stone gone and no more to be seen. :bounce: Trouble is was advised to give up all my favourite food and drink to be more healthy!
Chocolate, milk, cheese etc all to be drastically reduced, beer not a problem but don't drink anyway.
Diet looks like being water and more water. :'(
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on November 07, 2014, 07:52:26 PM
Very glad to read that your kidneys are all clear, stone gone and no more to be seen. Alas, I consume dark chocolate, cheese, yoghurt, cream (in coffee) etc., very regularly. I no longer drink beer every day but Czech doctors state that Pilsner Urquell is very good for kidney stone sufferers  so I always have a bottle or two in my fridge! I do try to drink as much water as possible though.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: crawler on November 07, 2014, 08:18:58 PM
Consultant at Hospital told me that kidneys all clear, stone gone and no more to be seen. :bounce: Trouble is was advised to give up all my favourite food and drink to be more healthy!
Chocolate, milk, cheese etc all to be drastically reduced, beer not a problem but don't drink anyway.
Diet looks like being water and more water. :'(

George I Know what your saying . I was told i was diabetic and told to cut out the sweet stuff this would mean that i would not have to take medication for the diabetics as it would be controlled by diet but when they were checking my kidneys they told me i have a high ox-elate and i would have to cut down on the red meat / animal proten (chicken etc) and the cans of juice  :help: It was at this point i asked them exactly what they wanted me to eat since they had banned me from eating everything i liked LOL :laugh3:

Dave
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 09, 2014, 06:27:46 AM
Update on Geominster.

After being unable to work for a while I have been busy trying to catch up with earning so not much actual progress been made but I have managed to sort out a problem with a dead spot between two points.
Spent some time putting some DCC chips into new locos and programming them along with some others I had been putting off mainly because there were two HST's a Voyager and an EMU which have multiple chips and therefore need programming directly. I bought an ESU Decoder Tester at The Great Electric Train Show mainly to sort out a problem with a chip I was using in Tomix cleaner, the ESU is brilliant for programming DCC chips without needing to do it in the loco on the programming track which for me anyway makes it a simpler operation.

Major track cleaning session today followed hopefully by a photoshoot with rolling stock and locomotives present, then will try and post some of the results here.

Still a lot of scenery to complete but thought it time to have a running session before embarking on tree planting and wall building.

Two of my recent purchases soon to be seen at Geominster

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19351.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19351)

A old Lima that has been DCC chipped and looks great.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19352.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19352)

Dapol Class 66

I have made a few purchases recently from Rails via their used selection and got some very good deals there, always negotiable as well and of course their items usually come with a warranty. Managed also to get a rake of eight EWS Open wagons around 4.00.each from Ebay and all look as though they have never been opened.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: trainsdownunder on December 09, 2014, 06:35:00 AM
 :thumbsup: Good looking locos
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 09, 2014, 06:44:50 AM
I am hoping the new  Class 37 DRS will arrive here tomorrow along with the new Dapol Class 66 Freightliner, these are due to go into service at Geominster during the Christmas period  :thumbsup:

There have been two GraFar Class 60's and a Dapol 66 added recently after a cull of a couple of unwanted locomotives and a Virgin Voyager set no longer required.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 09, 2014, 07:48:03 PM
Well as always a change of plan means that track cleaning is delayed until tomorrow but a photocall of some of Geominsters Locomotives went ahead.

The Preservation Line Locomotive power.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19400.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19400)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19399.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19399)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19398.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19398)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19390.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19390)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19381.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19381)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19380.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19380)


Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 09, 2014, 07:58:01 PM
Very nice locos.; thanks for the pictures. The BR Standard and the green Class 47 are my favourites.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 12, 2014, 08:32:06 PM
Stunning new arrival at Geominster today from Colletts Models in Exmouth.

Graham Farish Class 37/4 DRS. Currently being run in on DC then will be chipped and hidden away until Christmas Day.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19467.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19467)

Class 66 Freightliner Powerhaul also arrived.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19468.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19468)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 14, 2014, 10:27:05 AM
Both the Class 66 and 37 have been run in and DCC chipped and have been introduced to Geominster with a few trial trips round the track and are now safely boxed up ready for Santa's Elves to collect and label up for me.

The 37 was a pig to unclip the body, never had a loco so stubborn to have a transplant.

All good now.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 22, 2014, 09:24:39 PM
Finally snatched the afternoon to design the fiddle yard for Geominster, decided on building it under the main layout to keep it relatively dust free and allow me to leave the locomotives etc set up ready to go.

Access is to be via a helix which is a complicated affair as there are two entry tracks one at the front and one at the rear from Geominster which will be taken down approximately 250mm to enter the fiddle yard one at the front and one at the rear at the end.

Mountboard rough templates from which the helix will be copied, support lugs will be shaped into the boards allowing height adjustment via threaded rods.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_19785.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19785)

And a view showing the attached layers as a mock up for the actual helix.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_19786.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19786)

Will try and keep this updated as it progresses.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 22, 2014, 09:41:14 PM
I wish you all success with this.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 22, 2014, 09:53:25 PM
I wish you all success with this.

Thanks Chris I will no doubt need it !
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 22, 2014, 10:00:51 PM
With your wood-working skills and taking it slowly, I'm sure you'll be fine, George. I look forward to the progress reports.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: wookie on December 23, 2014, 12:42:56 PM
That's the most complicated toilet seat I've ever seen!  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 23, 2014, 08:57:52 PM
Today the track arrived for the helix and I have tidied the templates ready to cut out from mdf or plywood shortly - as you will see it now has the holes for the threaded riser adjuster rods marked out and slots cut out to fit into the leg frame supporting Geominster.

If all goes to plan by this time next week the helix will be constructed ready to install.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_19815.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19815)

The template for the base of the helix.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 26, 2014, 10:43:25 AM
I managed to find this Class 159 South West Trains 3 car set just before Xmas and Rails got it here on time. Needs a DCC chip fitted which entails major surgery so it will be sent away for this. But it is a great runner on DC and compliments my Class 170.

Merry Xmas & Happy New Year everyone from George.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_19847.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19847)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bob Wild on December 27, 2014, 02:49:03 PM
Can't wait to see that helix.

Bob
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 27, 2014, 03:25:33 PM
Can't wait to see that helix.

Bob

Neither can I Bob, have been templating the under layout fiddle yard and changed the radii of the track on the helix from 2 & 3 to 3 & 4 because I have surplus of the 3 & 4 and thought a slower bend would be easier to climb. So new templates being cut and probably start cutting the actual plywood and mdf tomorrow.

Photos to follow.

Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 28, 2014, 11:34:16 AM
Been busy templating the proposed helix so that Geominster can have a fiddle yard. I have decided to build the fiddle yard underneath the layout which will mean it gets a certain amount of protection to the locomotives and rolling stock that are increasing at an alarming rate. There will need to be a climb of 400mm between the two levels and with help from Maurits this looks like eight spirals of the helix to achieve a climbable incline.

Here is the templating allowing space inside and outside of the track for the threaded rods to adjust and set up the helix climb.

First the base of the helix

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_19888.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19888)


Now the helix attached to the fiddle yard template

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_19889.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19889)

The fiddle yard

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_19890.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19890)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_19891.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19891)

Birds eye view of templating, the circle detached in the foreground is going to be the roundy roundy DC running in loop so I can dispense with the present arrangement that leans on the wall when not being used.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_19892.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19892)


Tomorrow the cutting out begins .........
 
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on December 28, 2014, 02:40:39 PM
That's going to be a whack-off fiddle yard :goggleeyes:
Presumably you'll have some sort of train detection so you know where everything is?
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: CarriageShed on December 28, 2014, 03:52:21 PM
That's going to be a whack-off fiddle yard :goggleeyes:
Presumably you'll have some sort of train detection so you know where everything is?


I wonder if it's going to be as sophisticated as my train detection system?

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--lWN6R1P---/18ado51j9804mjpg.jpg) (http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--lWN6R1P---/18ado51j9804mjpg.jpg)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 28, 2014, 05:17:47 PM
That's going to be a whack-off fiddle yard :goggleeyes:
Presumably you'll have some sort of train detection so you know where everything is?

As Pete33 suggests lol.

Or I do have an endoscope could put to use, hope to have tracks numbered and listed on the Hornby RM mimic panel so I know where everything is.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bob Wild on December 28, 2014, 10:52:45 PM
([url]http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--lWN6R1P---/18ado51j9804mjpg.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--lWN6R1P---/18ado51j9804mjpg.jpg[/url])


And you can't even see any bloodshot in those there eyes  :smiley-laughing:.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on December 29, 2014, 12:01:25 AM
looking good George. 3 and 4 radius should be fine.  Will keep an eye  :laughabovepost: on you
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on December 29, 2014, 03:19:24 PM


Or I do have an endoscope could put to use

Always useful for inserting into dark places ;)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 31, 2014, 07:58:55 AM
Managed to spend a few cold hours in the workshop, very much trial and error with the helix as it has two entry/exits on fiddle yard level at different sides of the board and also two entry/exits at the layout, they are also on opposite sides and also different levels, quite challenging avoiding any crossover from inner and outer tracks through the helix.

The beginning, not sure whether to continue the build and fit track late or wait for track and build and lay track as it climbs. I have grooved underside of each circuit to allow dropper wires to lay in and exit in one point on the inside without reducing headroom.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_19995.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19995)

Hopefully I will be able to progress further today.

Stop press announcement London & Midland 170/5 brand new arrived today only 60.00. and will be shipped away shortly for DCC transplant, far too risky me having a go at it.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_19997.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19997)

A Happy New Year everyone from Geominster.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 31, 2014, 10:30:58 PM
Another cold day in the workshop, -5C and no gas for the heater so had to wrap and carry on with the helix.

Overnight I had been giving some thought to how to link the semi circular plywood ramps and decided on using small blocks to level out the twists between the boards, this proved successful and I was able to form a complete circuit and so I laid the first double track at that level, not got enough track to complete the helix but I will continue until I run out, I am putting dropper wires at each level so I get a good voltage for the climb.

Now I have a complete circuit complete with track I can test the gradient and adjust as required before carrying on. I have also worked out how to enter and exit each level so I am now confident of success.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_20000.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20000)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_19999.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19999)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on January 01, 2015, 09:37:40 AM
Coming along nicely, George. Keep up the good work :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on January 01, 2015, 09:53:06 AM
George, happy new year :)

looking good, small tip, you have some space to make the outer circle a little wider. connection of the units, just glue them, the way you do it now will cause you some issues as you lower the helix with 6-8 mm. I normally glue just a small 4 mm piece of mdf on top of the sides , together with glueing the two parts together is a perfect joint.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 01, 2015, 10:01:23 AM
Happy New Year Maurits.

The outer radius is Peco 3 Setrack and inner Peco 2, thought I would use them as likely to be a much more even curve than if I used flexi. The space remaing was for the threaded rods to pass without intrusion on the circles as I considered putting a small upstand around to catch runaways.
 
Not quite sure about changing the blocks joining the segments as I can easily reach inside it and will only need to drop the heights by 5mm max. The photo only shows the large spacer kicking off the ramp, the joining blocks are approx 6mm and don't intrude really.

Time will tell as I have very little track left for now so will test it before going much further.

I do appreciate your help and comments and sure you know more than me, you certainly have far more experience with helixes.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on January 01, 2015, 10:11:07 AM
ok all clear ;)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bob Wild on January 01, 2015, 11:10:29 AM
Coming along nicely, George. Keep up the good work :thumbsup:

I'll second that. Fascinating piece of engineering.

Bob
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 02, 2015, 10:40:41 PM
A little more progress on the helix today including a runaway carriage to check the gradient and clearance on the bottom two layers, all is well.

Need another 100 + track sections so will order them and wait for the delivery and meanwhile a more precise planning section full scale on the fiddle yard has resulted in a more accurate drawing enclosed in the file below.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/34/thumb_20073.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20073)

Local Show tomorrow at Maidenhead so a long awaited trip to something railway orientated.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 03, 2015, 07:37:16 AM
Truly impressive, George. You'll be able to accommodate a very good collection of trains there. (Mine all live in an IKEA storage box!)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on January 03, 2015, 09:10:37 AM
hi George, your re railing track ?, what's this
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 03, 2015, 09:37:06 AM
Hi Maurits its by Kato, I have trouble placing stock on track so this does it brilliantly.

http://www.osbornsmodels.com/kato-20-021-straight-track-road-crossing-track-1-3189-p.asp (http://www.osbornsmodels.com/kato-20-021-straight-track-road-crossing-track-1-3189-p.asp)

Even disguises tself as a road crossing and can link as a double track level crossing.

Bargain at 1.75. Every layout should have at least one or more.



Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bob Wild on January 03, 2015, 10:33:50 AM
Bargain at 1.75. Every layout should have at least one or more.

Wow, never seen one of those before. I shall definitely get one (or two).

Bob
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: wookie on January 03, 2015, 11:26:44 AM
I'm working on a club layout that is Kato unitrack, and had I known about this stuff from the beginning I think I would have gone for a more simplified layout at home using Kato track.
With upwards of 40 sets of points I couldn't afford to do it in Kato in its present incarnation!
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: jonclox on January 03, 2015, 03:48:02 PM
Fleischmann  do a version of it as well...........
Fleischmann 22210 - N Scale. May be easier to incorporate with Peco etc track
Ive tried neither so cant comment further
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on January 03, 2015, 04:13:45 PM
I know the fleischmann version, might be handy to make one yourselves for peco code 55, let see if I can figure something out
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: jonclox on January 05, 2015, 10:10:01 AM
Browsing several track makers site yesterday showed that quite a few manufactures make 'rerailers' of varying styles
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 08, 2015, 07:22:26 AM
While waiting for the track to arrive to continue building the helix I have been thinking about future locomotives and rolling stock I would like to run.
As Geominster is governed by Rule One I rather fancy adding some maroon carriages drawn by a Farish steam loco on the Preservation Line. The trouble is I don't know what carriages suit what era or area really but would these be fairly typical and fit in without looking "total" wrong?
Dapol Collett Maroon & Crimson carriages pulled by a GF steamer for example Duchess City of London in BR line maroon. I prefer the Farish steam locos over Dapol as have had issues with the drive shaft from the tender with Dapol.
Without getting absolutely correct do you think the above combo would look OK/good?
Thanks to all.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 08, 2015, 09:27:50 AM
Dapol Collett Maroon and Crimson & Cream carriages would look far better behind a WR steam loco. For a LMR loco., like Duchess "City of London", I would go for the Graham Farish Stanier Maroon and Crimson & Cream carriages which are often on eBay.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 08, 2015, 11:07:03 AM
Thanks Chris, is that the GF LMS Crimson Lake Stanier carriages?

I have some Dapol Gresley Carmine & Cream for another steam loco so prefer the maroon ones.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 08, 2015, 11:27:08 AM
Thanks Chris, is that the GF LMS Crimson Lake Stanier carriages?

I have some Dapol Gresley Carmine & Cream for another steam loco so prefer the maroon ones.

Yes, Graham Farish produce the Stanier carriages in LMSR Maroon, BR Crimson & Cream, and BR Maroon liveries. For a preserved railway, I would guess that the GF Stanier carriages in LMSR Maroon would be more appropriate (they are often on eBay). The Dapol Gresley Carmine & Cream carriages would, of course, be ideal for ex-LNER steam locos. (They are very nice models, I have some in BR Maroon for Summer weekend specials from the ER to Penmayne.)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 08, 2015, 05:47:24 PM
Slight progress today with the helix, have attached it to the leg frame and positioned in final location, needs to be removed to trim the base board to length ready for Geominster fiddle yard to be fitted align with the helix base.
The fiddle yard board has been glued and fixed to the framing awaiting positioning of points to ensure the base strengtheners do not foul them.

Two photographs of the partly built helix in temporary position.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20244.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20244)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20243.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20243)


An unused chrome breakfast bar leg adjustable for height provides the support on the right hand side, I have a clip on shelf to fit to the front to hold the pc controlling the points via Hornby RM and room also to hold a pint or two. The shelf must be removable to allow easy access around the room when playing/running trains.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 08, 2015, 07:20:20 PM
Alas, George, I am not allowed to see these two pictures, it says. 8-)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 08, 2015, 07:29:10 PM
Alas, George, I am not allowed to see these two pictures, it says. 8-)

That is strange they are on my screen ok?
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on January 08, 2015, 08:47:01 PM
Alas, George, I am not allowed to see these two pictures, it says. 8-)

same here, so can't keep an eye on you :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 08, 2015, 08:55:05 PM
Just deleted and reloaded embedded codes. Why can I see them if you cannot? Must be the dodgy server.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on January 08, 2015, 09:00:20 PM
Have you checked whether you have allowed all members/moderators to see your pics under the 'permissions', George?
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 08, 2015, 09:12:02 PM
Hi NPN cannot see any settings, are they applicable all the photos or individual ones?

Can you see previous pics?

Sorry cannot find the fault.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on January 08, 2015, 09:17:22 PM
We're not allowed to see any of your pics in this thread, George, so you may have somehow changed the permissions on your album.
It's all I can think of. :hmmm:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 09, 2015, 09:13:15 AM
We're not allowed to see any of your pics in this thread, George, so you may have somehow changed the permissions on your album.
It's all I can think of. :hmmm:




Sorry about that but are the photos viewable to all now?

Thanks.    :-[
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Sprintex on January 09, 2015, 09:22:32 AM
I can see them OK. Checked permissions just in case and nothing amiss there :thumbsup:


Paul
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bob Wild on January 09, 2015, 10:10:50 AM
That helix is coming on nicely. Can't wait to see it in action.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 14, 2015, 07:27:04 AM
I managed to get an evening working on the helix and it now totals six levels, all with track laid and dropper wires on every other level, probably overkill as I am sure current flows uphill without a problem!
I have used all the nuts and washers I bought so a trip to Toolstation later for more may mean I can get to the top level, another two levels later.
Hesitant to test it but I must. It needs final adjustment on the inclines but easily done with the threaded rods and nuts assembly I have used in construction.
Hopefully I can complete it and fine tune the helix in the next couple of days and post a couple of pictures of the result.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on January 14, 2015, 12:36:54 PM
How about a short vid as well as pics please :D
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 14, 2015, 12:56:18 PM
Aha, may be a problem there, not done videos before but a first time for everything I guess, I will see if I can master the camera to start and if that works will probably need assistance uploading it here.
Keep you posted, thanks.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on January 14, 2015, 03:48:44 PM
I've found it easiest to upload a vid to Photobucket or similar free hosting service and then (if using Photobucket) copy the IMG code and paste it into your post
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on January 14, 2015, 05:30:03 PM
or put it on youtube first, as I have managed to do this everybody must be able ;)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 14, 2015, 05:34:30 PM
Thanks Maurits.

Just a very quick update, I have just tested the helix with a solo Class 60 and it runs fine with absolutely no trouble, I needed to prove it worked before continuing, there is a very slight low spot around level 4 which when I detach the helix can adjust with the threaded rods and cure.

Just the top level of one side to complete now and then fully test with loads, but looking good so far, thanks for all the encouragement.

 :claphappy:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 20, 2015, 10:22:48 PM
Finally made some progress today, the helix was completed a few days ago and placed in situ and all seemed to align, I adjusted the clearances with the threaded rods and tried a loco solo to ensure power and clearances all OK. The wiring to the track was concealed and connected.

Today I removed the helix again to cut down to height the unwanted threaded rods and place domed nuts on the ends for safety and better presentation. There was a new point to be fitted on Geominster leading to the top of the helix which has now been done, I fitted Fleishmann track adjusters to facilitate easy removal of the helix from Geominster and the new fiddle yard, unfortunately I did not have any Fleischmann fishplates so the track is only connected by one fishplate at present as Peco fishplates do not like connecting to Fleishmann.

Placed the helix back onto Geominster and took the plunge with the nearest loco to hand - a GF Class 60 DB Schenker which can be seen on the helix. Class 60 went well at the top of the helix but stalled on the second level, after head scratching I realised the four sets of track droppers on the helix had not been plugged into the track bus, then hey presto off went DBS all the way to the bottom level and back to the top.... success and I was so pleased had to have a beer!

Still need to connect the other three inlet/outlet tracks to Geominster and the fiddle yard but that will be another project as the fiddle yard board is as yet only a frame. I can however connect the outer helix track back to Geominster and will probably rig a couple of support boards to mimic a fiddle yard for the time being and to allow a full testing and try and get video of the action,

Below are three photographs of the helix attached to Geominster, with the DBS lurking the background .

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20515.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20515)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20516.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20516)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20517.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20517)

Still a little bit of tidying to be done.

Many thanks to Maurits for his help calculating the rise etc and everyone else who encouraged this build, never done anything like this before and it was quite a learning curve.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bob Wild on January 20, 2015, 11:04:05 PM
Great bit of engineering. Can't wait for the film.

How did you manage to get adjacent semi-circles of the helix to be flush. When I did something similar I found that there was a tilt on each in opposite directions?

Bob
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 20, 2015, 11:13:08 PM
Great bit of engineering. Can't wait for the film.

How did you manage to get adjacent semi-circles of the helix to be flush. When I did something similar I found that there was a tilt on each in opposite directions?

Bob

Trickery Bob, if you look behind the vertical mdf cover pieces you will see small shaped wood blocks which I used to join each semi circle by screwing into the blocks through the semi circle, a bit of pva also helped keep it together before final adjustment on the threads. In some cases there was up to 9mm out of level before joining. With hindsight 9mm mdf would have been better than the 9mm plywood I used as the md is more forgiving on bending and twisting to shape.

I cant wait to see the video either, shame I have to make it first because I have no idea how to do this  :-[  but I will.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bob Wild on January 20, 2015, 11:40:44 PM

Trickery Bob, if you look behind the vertical mdf cover pieces you will see small shaped wood blocks which I used to join each semi circle by screwing into the blocks through the semi circle,

Aha, now I can see them. Very good.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 21, 2015, 12:30:11 AM
That's a highly impressive piece of miniature engineering, Geo.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Caz on January 21, 2015, 09:29:33 AM
Very impressed, beautiful bit of engineering and extremely well executed.   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: wookie on January 21, 2015, 11:52:14 AM
Wow, that is incredible!
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 21, 2015, 12:59:34 PM
Thanks to all.

Been tidying up this morning but will try a video of helix in action. this evening.

I have also been fitting a siding terminating alongside the helix which has the rerailing track by Kato as mentioned earlier in the thread and works brilliantly, place a loco or carriages on it and slide along its done, then off you go  :claphappy:

Before scenery showing the rerailer which will be made into a level crossing.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20525.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20525)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: CarriageShed on January 21, 2015, 01:21:52 PM
([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20525.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20525[/url])


It's just a random thought, but you could quite easily fit a second rail to the helix, break it up into many isolating sections and perhaps store complete trains, ready to spring into action...  >:D
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 21, 2015, 01:27:21 PM
Hi Pete there is a second track on the helix it picks up part way down, as it is a DCC layout I can stack trains anywhere anytime.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 21, 2015, 02:52:54 PM
I have just bought an old Minitrix rerailer, looking very similar, for use in the little fiddle yard behind Cant Cove.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on January 21, 2015, 07:55:45 PM
looking really good George .
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: austinbob on January 21, 2015, 07:59:49 PM
Hi Pete there is a second track on the helix it picks up part way down, as it is a DCC layout I can stack trains anywhere anytime.
That is an incredible piece of work George - puts my meager efforts to shame. Progressing very quickly too. I must crack on with my layout.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 23, 2015, 08:59:49 AM
Brought in the new Fiddle Yard Board yesterday ready to fit under Geominster and couple to the helix.

Constructed from 6mm plywood with 100mm x 9mm MDF frame and 80mm x 9mm webbing drilled for wiring, the positions of points etc determined the placing of the webbing. All glued and lightly pinned prior to a silicone bead applied to ensure no movement. The lightweight board measures 2050mm x 700mm and weighs just 9kg.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20563.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20563)   Need picture rotated - help anyone?


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20564.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20564)


Later hopefully a temporary length of flexitrack will let me evaluate the helix climb.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 23, 2015, 09:09:51 AM
Looks impressive, George. I hope you'll soon be able to get the track down and working well.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 23, 2015, 09:12:31 AM
And a rake of BR Maroon coaches :-)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on January 23, 2015, 10:27:50 AM
looking very good George, you never have enough track on your fiddle yard ;)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 23, 2015, 05:24:50 PM
Geominster now has the Fiddle Yard board in place under the layout waiting for some fishplates from Fleischmann to connect some track to the helix for a proper testing.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20568.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20568)

Some tidying of the wiring to be done and of course all the track laying for the fiddle yard, the board slides out for access and to work on.

I think I will work on some scenery for a while after testing the helix out. Tunnel entrances need some attention and I have a girder bridge that would make a nice feature to insert over the preservation line.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20569.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20569)

Taster picture of bridge albeit trackless at the present.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: port perran on January 23, 2015, 05:34:53 PM
Lovely. Very neat and tidy. Impressive stuff.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 23, 2015, 06:11:56 PM
The slide out fiddle yard is highly impressive and the bow bridge is a lovely model, is it German, Geo?
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 23, 2015, 06:28:55 PM
I really do not know who made it, I bought on Ebay and when it arrived was quite sad, bits hanging off it and prettty dirty, nearly returned it but fell in love its appearance so glued it back together and sprayed it a few coats and really pleased with the end result, just need to get Network Rail in to replace the existing bridge and and fit the new.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 23, 2015, 06:34:06 PM
You did an excellent restoration job, Geo, the bridge looks brand new.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: petercharlesfagg on January 24, 2015, 09:59:08 AM

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20569.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20569[/url])

Taster picture of bridge albeit trackless at the present.


I have built one of these impressive bridges too and I'm pleased to see someone else using the same!

Mine was made by Kibri?

Impressive layout.

Regards, Peter
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 24, 2015, 10:11:00 AM
Thanks for that info Peter, how are you now?
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 24, 2015, 10:23:32 AM
I thought it might be Kibri. I have some shorter bridges and piers made by them. German plastic kits are, usually, excellent but the brightly coloured plastic of the buildings needs to be spray painted less garish, matt colours!
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 24, 2015, 02:33:53 PM
Just had a little play/test run and my Class 55 hauled 8 carriages up the helix, probably would pull more but that was all I had to hand.

Steamers do not like pulling anything, work OK solo so am having a rethink and I reckon that I can create a consist on the occasions I need to take a steamer to the fiddle yard. I do have room on Geominster to store them so will probably just not take them down the helix.

Connected to the two tracks entering and exiting Geominster and will create a loop for temporary running on the fiddle yard for now.

Thank you to everyone for your encouragement.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 24, 2015, 07:53:56 PM
Just been experimenting with the fiddle yard board and I have some Track Bed from Woodland Scenics that looks perfect to provide sound insulation, it also equates to the same thickness as the Kato re-railer so if I leave the Track Bed out when railer is inserted all the track is level. I was going to use cork to insulate the sound as I did on the Geominster layout but the fiddle yard will not have scenery and I hope the Track Bed stands up better for wear than cork. I also found an old glue tape gun by Scotch that applies a glue film and really grabs the Track Bed and I can work on it immediately no mess no waiting for glue to set. Amazing the gun and glue are at least 20 years old and still works!

I intend to create the outer loop of the fiddle yard later and fit the dropper wires so it can be installed for now on the helix. The actual track laying for the remainder of the fiddle yard can come later.

The Woodlands Scenic Track Bed looks really good and neat and tidy and will of course be partly visible under Geominster.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 24, 2015, 08:21:31 PM
One thing I did think about during the week was the polarity of the track on the helix, this was after I had fitted the 6 pairs of dropper wires from the track, checked earlier and the inner track was correct but the outer track needed reversing, as the helix collects from each side of Geominster and delivers each side of the fiddle yard loop it is obvious but just missed that in the construction, anyway learnt the hard way and all corrected now.

The new fiddle yard will also have the DC roundy roundy running in circuit and that must be done soon as more locos are expected shortly and need somewhere to run pre DCC fitting.

Ordered an on board video camera earlier in the hope I can configure a Drivers eye view, if it works will report back, if it fails there will be nothing more said. :-[
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bob Wild on January 24, 2015, 10:36:06 PM
Amazing the gun and glue are at least 20 years old and still works!

Great. And I've got a Cold Chisel and a scriber I made in metalwork 50 years ago and are still in use. Amazingly, I found an oscillating steam engine that I made at the same time. Bought some meths, fired it up, and after spluttering a bit, it ran like roadrunner to the great delight of the grandchildren!

Bob

PS "What is that?" asked the young man in Homebase when I asked if he stocked any meths!
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 25, 2015, 08:22:46 PM
Quite good progress today, laid all the outer track to the fiddle yard complete with dropper wires and tonight started connecting them to the track bus. Hopefully I can complete this tomorrow ready to refit to the helix and have a roundy roundy operating, also laid the test track for DC operation to run in locos, expecting Class 66 from Rails shortly so need the facility to run it in.

The Kato re railer track fits nicely to the Peco track and connects via Peco fishplates, the Fleischmann extension track pieces need Fleischmann fishplates to connect to the Peco track. Incidentally the Kato bed is of similar thickness to the Woodland Scenics Track Bed so just omitted the section where the Kato track laid.

The re railer is a tremendous boon enabling me to place rolling stock easily on the rails, put one on the  fiddle yard and another to onto Geominster main layout.

Photograph of the fiddle yard in place testing a rake of eight carriages behind my Class 55 making easy work of the incline.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20625.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20625)

And another photograph of the outer track of the fiddle yard along with the DC test track circle.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20626.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20626)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 27, 2015, 07:43:01 PM
Today was a huge milestone at Geominster, the Fiddle Yard albeit comprising of only the outer track and no storage sidings as yet was successfully wired up and connected to the helix and Railmaster PC was connected to control the points and Class 60 was given the task of guinea pig, at the time of typing this she has completed four uninterrupted laps of the Fiddle Yard, Helix and Geominster without any problems. Delighted it all works I think there is some track cleaning to be done and doubtless wheel cleaning also as it is about 18 months since trains were run more than a few minutes.

Just off to take some photographs and will post them shortly, oh and maybe a well deserved celebratory drink or two after surviving the issues getting polarity sorted and everything calculated to run this well.

 :beers: to all from Geo.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 27, 2015, 08:03:52 PM
Have to excuse the birds nest of wires at the bottom of the layout, will be tidied away shortly.

Here are the latest photographs of Geominster up and running.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/33/thumb_20675.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20675)

Class 60 Ben Nevis crossing the RLM on the return journey through the Geominster Preservation Line back to the Helix.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20676.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20676)

Ben Nevis disappearing across another RLM en route to the downward line of the Helix.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20677.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20677)

The master Control Panel.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20678.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20678)

I am hoping the on board camera arrives tomorrow so I can attempt a cab ride around the entire layout.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 27, 2015, 08:14:36 PM
Very impressive, George. Thanks for the very nice photos. Your layout is looking very impressive.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 27, 2015, 08:35:31 PM
Thanks Chris, next up is the last re railer to be installed at the foreground of the station  and then the feature bridge fitted above the Preservation Line, at least I can now run some trains around.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 27, 2015, 08:49:14 PM
Thanks to advice from you, George, and others on the forum, I have bought a Minitrix rerailer which will be fitted in the little fiddleyard beyond Cant Cove.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: wookie on January 27, 2015, 08:55:12 PM
I really do find that helix absolutely fascinating.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 27, 2015, 09:38:01 PM
I really do find that helix absolutely fascinating.

Thanks for the nice comments.

Wasn't so fascinating at the time of construction, nearly went mad, really delighted it worked though, just been trying to make a video of it but really need to put camera on a tripod so it stays steady and some daylight probably help also.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 27, 2015, 09:45:00 PM
Thanks to advice from you, George, and others on the forum, I have bought a Minitrix rerailer which will be fitted in the little fiddleyard beyond Cant Cove.

I think my re railers were all Kato and the Peco Fishplates all coupled excellently, I have got four Fleischmann adjustable extending track sections to connect to the Helix and Fiddle Yard, they needed Fleischmann Fishplates to connect to Peco track but work brilliantly, just slide back the four adjustable parts and the whole Helix section just lifts out. Not sure what Fishplates work with Miinitrix though although I have some buffer stops made by them and if I recall Peco Fishplates fitted them OK.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 31, 2015, 09:21:57 PM
Just a little more progress lately. A demonstration to some of the family that the helix and fiddle yard outer track integrates with Geominster dispelling doubts of my model railway ability as all worked seamlessly for nearly an hour.

The final rerailing track piece has been installed and the girder bridge demolished along with some other supporting walls making way for the feature bridge to be lifted into position tomorrow and the track relaid ready for rush hour Monday.

A visit planned to local Alton Show Saturday to purchase a CMX track cleaner and a track power booster in readiness for the fiddle yard completion, along with an additional Procab.

All being well photographic update will follow shortly of the new bridge in place.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on January 31, 2015, 09:24:05 PM
Excellent news that all is working as intended, George. Looking forward to seeing those photos. in due course.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on January 31, 2015, 09:50:15 PM
Excellent news that all is working as intended, George. Looking forward to seeing those photos. in due course.

Thanks Chris, I have purchased this week a small video camera and a flat bolster bogie wagon which will be used to carry the camera, to be known as Cab Cam on a ride around the as yet still incomplete layout helix and fiddle yard, test trials look promising but need to ensure a smooth speed so cam can focus. I have managed to extract video footage and watch it but the original wagon was too high to negotiate the low headroom of the helix.

Tricky to use camera I kept getting it upside down! Mastered that now so who knows what will get next.  :D
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bob Wild on January 31, 2015, 10:53:09 PM
Cab Cam sounds great. Not been watching too many wild life programs have you?
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on February 01, 2015, 08:25:25 AM
As I have been busy recently constructing there have been a lot if alterations to way the layout operates. Woke up early and decided to update the Hornby Railmaster programme I use to operate the points and route settings, I have now changed the start up default route so the entire layout has a complete route set on start up and deleted a lot of the unwanted plans saved that I was considering.

Another thing to try soon is the programming of individual routes so when the fiddle yard is built I can call out a loco from the fiddle yard by selecting a route button assigned to the storage siding and dialling the loco into the Powercab, considering a web cam to view the fiddle yard also to assist location like CCTV !

Struggling with technology so I have to take it a step at a time but all seems to be working so far.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on February 01, 2015, 07:22:59 PM
A little more progress today after the demolition of the old girder bridge spanning Geominster Preservation Line, the new wider spanning bow bridge was lifted into place last night and left to dry overnight when Network Rail arrived this morning to complete the brickwork for the supports and lay the new track, they over ran and did not complete the tarmac in the car park though, due to a loss of the roll of material to make it ! Also some finishing touches needed to the platform area and walling to enclose the station.




(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20952.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20952)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20953.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20953)



The Kato re railing track, one of three sited at various locations around the layout and fiddle yard.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/32/thumb_20954.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=20954)

Did manage to print off the card for the new Minster shortly to be built and some design work went into creating another mimic panel for the Railmaster controlling the fiddle yard.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: austinbob on February 01, 2015, 07:25:45 PM
Love that bridge George.
 :beers:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on February 01, 2015, 07:29:53 PM
Love that bridge George.
 :beers:

Thanks Bob, it was in a state when I got it but I wanted a feature but it still needs some gluing and a bit more brickwork.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 01, 2015, 08:10:10 PM
It is a very fine bridge indeed and looks really good in situ.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bealman on February 01, 2015, 08:21:37 PM
Yep,  :thumbsup: for the bridge!
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on February 08, 2015, 07:16:16 PM
After a very busy long week there were a couple of new arrivals at Geominster.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/31/thumb_21369.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=21369)

And a visit to Alton Model Railway Show yesterday to collect CMX Tank Track Cleaner from Kevin at Coastal DCC for the tunnels and helix especially.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/31/thumb_21370.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=21370)

Hopefully this week some buildings can be constructed, tarmac delivered to complete the Station Car Park after last weeks work installing the bridge and the Level Crossing gates are due to be delivered ready to install lighting.

Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: port perran on February 08, 2015, 08:31:28 PM
Great stuff. And love the bridge.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on February 10, 2015, 04:50:16 PM
The DRS fleet in for routine maintenance.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/31/thumb_21443.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=21443)

along with the new JNA Ballast Wagons received yesterday, great quality wagons by Dapol.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/31/thumb_21442.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=21442)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/31/thumb_21440.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=21440)

Geominster is expecting Western Venturer Class 52 DCC Fitted into the Preservation section courtesy of Rails at discounted price.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on February 10, 2015, 09:22:50 PM
Hmmm - just seen those at Rails along with other hydraulics such as the Class 22 and the Hymeks. Resist, I must.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on February 10, 2015, 09:25:46 PM
Hmmm - just seen those at Rails along with other hydraulics such as the Class 22 and the Hymeks. Resist, I must.

Rails were cheapest by quite a bit !
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 10, 2015, 09:26:15 PM
Hmmm - just seen those at Rails along with other hydraulics such as the Class 22 and the Hymeks. Resist, I must.

I have to admit I was strongly tempted to buy a 3rd Class 22. (I have 2 "Hymeks" which is enough and "Westerns" are too big for my line.)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on February 10, 2015, 09:31:25 PM
With 4 Westerns (3 x Farish & 1 x Dapol), 2 x Class 22's and 3 Hymeks (1 of which is a dummy) along with 3 Warships and a Teddy Bear my wallet would have a hissy fit if I got anything else in that vein :worried:
It was a close run thing, though :D
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 11, 2015, 06:22:21 AM
I have to confess that, in total, I have 1 X Class 14 "Teddy Bear" (DCC-fitted), 2 x Class 22's (DCC-fitted), 2 X Class 35 "Hymek"s (DCC-fitted), and 2 X Class 42 "Warships" (DCC-fitted) plus 1 Class 52 "Western" (Farish, DCC-fitted), 1 X Class 46 "Peak" and one Class 47 "Brush Type 4" D1662 "Isambard Kingdom Brunel" and all the Type 4s would, in reality, be barred from Bodmin General - Wadebridge - Penmayne! My only excuse for buying a third Class 22 would be to buy one in BR Blue with D number for trains 1965-8.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on February 11, 2015, 07:18:28 AM
I have more than enough locos as well but difficult to resist a bargain new Western making two in total, but I do also have a couple of class 60's which are really powerful, 8 class 66's, 3 class 67's, 2 class 47's, 3 class 55's, 1 class 37 as well as numerous DMU's, Geominster is overcrowded hence the Fiddle Yard extension.

Incidentally the new Dapol JNA Ballast Wagons look stunning, will need more to make a decent rake though and also fit some ballast loads in them as they look far too new but I don't like weathering my stock although it would be far more realistic if I did, I prefer to fit a removable load for realism.

Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on February 18, 2015, 06:29:57 AM
Very little happening at Geominster of late due to being asked to go to work !

I have managed to sell some unwanted items both railway and carpentry bits so with funds I have sent two DMU's off to have DCC chips installed, rather have this done professionally as I know the extent of my abilities once the body is off a locomotive.

The recently purchased Western Venturer DCC fitted from Rails is on a return journey for replacement due to being a terrible runner, hopefully the new one will be here soon and will be as good as the Western Enterprise currently at Geominster. I have had issues before with Dapol Fitted and wonder if enough running in is done by them before the chip is installed, they make a big thing in the instructions but are they practising what they are preaching?

Anyway hopefully all will be resolved shortly and I can get some time to do some more work on the layout. I have some traffic lights, street lights, police vans, tunnel entrances, tarmac and a lot of scenery work to be getting on with. Once I have completed the next phase of fixing the electrical items I can invert the layout and spend a day or two connecting it all up together. I have a 5 amp booster from NCE to fit along with a couple of Powercab outlet sockets to install, all much simpler from above rather than laying on my back.

The GF DRS class 57 derails quite frequently and I have reported this to Bachmann but as yet no response, Customer Service seems a bit lax of late and the Quality Control of some Manufacturers seems questionable, perhaps it is me being misfortunate but when I buy something I do expect it to work.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Caz on February 18, 2015, 08:15:43 PM


The recently purchased Western Venturer DCC fitted from Rails is on a return journey for replacement due to being a terrible runner, hopefully the new one will be here soon and will be as good as the Western Enterprise currently at Geominster. I have had issues before with Dapol Fitted and wonder if enough running in is done by them before the chip is installed, they make a big thing in the instructions but are they practising what they are preaching?


George, I don't know whether you saw my remarks re my DCC fitted SDJR Jinty.  This ran terribly until I took the time to set up a speed table and used that to run it.  The settings on most DCC fitted locos seem to be very basic, just one setting, no mid or high values for speed control.  I tried various option for cv2, cv5 and cv6 but it just wouldn't accelerate and run smoothly so tried a speed table setting and using a log curve it finally slowly accelerated as it should do and became completely controllable.  I use JMRI to set up decoders but prefer not to use speed table as the Train Controller software I use prefers them not to be used.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on February 18, 2015, 08:20:25 PM
 Thanks Caz, I think I may start by swapping the chip from my Western that works to the offending item and see if any difference then try messing with CV's
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on February 19, 2015, 10:50:11 AM
Postman has just brought the Graham Farish 371-350K Class 60 Scunthorpe Ironmaster a Collector Special from 2007, managed to find one brand new earlier in the week, great eyecatching colour.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/31/thumb_21787.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=21787)

I just love the Class 60 and this is a great addition to Geominster.

Currently being run in on the DC track prior to going to have a DCC chip fitted at Coastal DCC.

Planning some scenery additions today and adding some more lighting.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on February 19, 2015, 04:00:10 PM
Anyone following my progress will know that I had a Tomix Track Cleaner last summer, sourced direct from Japan at about 25 and I had trouble getting it to work on my DCC layout.

I got a Roco 6 pin chip which as supplied had the pins bent at right angles as I had screwed up two chips previously trying to bend them. Then I broke the 6 pin chip holder on the PCB. Basically a complete nightmare.

Decided to order a couple of weeks ago a replacement PCB from Modelunion which finally arrived yesterday so with trepidation decided to try again.

Success this time, reprogrammed the chip to run on number 3 and took it for a circuit of part of Geominster.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/31/thumb_21793.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=21793)

This is what was collected during a two minute cycle. I am impressed so will venture the entire layout soon, particularly useful in the tunnels etc where I cannot access, so along with the CMX cleaner wagon I hope to create a much cleaner track.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on February 22, 2015, 06:39:15 PM
A little progress today, mounted the six traffic light columns and finished finally the transfers on the transit vans converting them best I could to Police vans. I am working towards getting the final electrical work connected when I invert Geominster and therefore need the lights fitted from above including street lights and of course the traffic lights and police blue leds.

I have the new power booster and NCE Powercab outlets to install at the same time.

Also today the builders put in a shift and I now have two rows of shops shown below, chimneys to follow and also in the second picture in the distance the new church which will become the Minster.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/30/thumb_21920.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=21920)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/30/thumb_21921.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=21921)

Thanks for everyone's support.   
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on February 22, 2015, 07:08:54 PM
Very nice work, George. Don't forget the chimneys! 8-)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: jonclox on February 26, 2015, 09:50:39 AM
georgehgv the sight of your bridge made me look into getting the same one. I managed to get it at a good price+ a bonus discount. Thanks for pointing me towards it.
A lovely kit to build as  either  single or double tracked  model
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on February 26, 2015, 08:38:10 PM
georgehgv the sight of your bridge made me look into getting the same one. I managed to get it at a good price+ a bonus discount. Thanks for pointing me towards it.
A lovely kit to build as  either  single or double tracked  model

That is great Jon, well done you.  :beers:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on March 01, 2015, 01:18:40 PM


The recently purchased Western Venturer DCC fitted from Rails is on a return journey for replacement due to being a terrible runner, hopefully the new one will be here soon and will be as good as the Western Enterprise currently at Geominster. I have had issues before with Dapol Fitted and wonder if enough running in is done by them before the chip is installed, they make a big thing in the instructions but are they practising what they are preaching?


George, I don't know whether you saw my remarks re my DCC fitted SDJR Jinty.  This ran terribly until I took the time to set up a speed table and used that to run it.  The settings on most DCC fitted locos seem to be very basic, just one setting, no mid or high values for speed control.  I tried various option for cv2, cv5 and cv6 but it just wouldn't accelerate and run smoothly so tried a speed table setting and using a log curve it finally slowly accelerated as it should do and became completely controllable.  I use JMRI to set up decoders but prefer not to use speed table as the Train Controller software I use prefers them not to be used.

Finally had the opportunity to run in the Dapol Western Venturer DCC Fitted, it was a very poor runner to begin with, however it is now improving, that said it seems to reach maximum speed at around setting 12 on my Powercab, the same happens with my Dapol Western Enterprise which I fitted with a basic Bachmann chip.

Is there anything to alter to make the speed progress right up to the 28 settings on the NCE Powercab? This would obviously make the speed steps more progressive. Thanks.

Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on March 04, 2015, 08:32:27 PM
Just created a new website for Geominster, not completed yet and took a while to work out but it shows promise and best of all free. Not keen on Facebook for sharing things and much prefer the friendliness here at the Forum.

Anyway if you fancy a look so far here it is ....

http://georgehgv.wix.com/geominster (http://georgehgv.wix.com/geominster)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on March 04, 2015, 08:44:00 PM
That looks very good, George :thumbsup:
Out of curiosity how is Geominster pronounced please?

Jee o minster?
Jemster?
Other?
 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: austinbob on March 04, 2015, 08:45:09 PM
Just created a new website for Geominster, not completed yet and took a while to work out but it shows promise and best of all free. Not keen on Facebook for sharing things and much prefer the friendliness here at the Forum.

Anyway if you fancy a look so far here it is ....

[url]http://georgehgv.wix.com/geominster[/url] ([url]http://georgehgv.wix.com/geominster[/url])

Looks good George - I think I might investigate wix.com to find out a bit more about what it can do. I concur 100% about Facebook and all the other social media sites. I don't relish the idea of publishing my personal details, hobbies, preferences etc. to the whole universe. Why would anyone want to do that.

I'll probably get hammered by a new thread from all the younger members of the forum now!! Hey Ho.
 :D
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on March 04, 2015, 08:51:31 PM
That looks very good, George :thumbsup:
Out of curiosity how is Geominster pronounced please?

Jee o minster?
Jemster?
Other?
 :thankyousign:

Hi Mick, first one is correct, GEE O MINSTER, well I made it up so my privilege to decide how to pronounce it. :smiley-laughing:

Google it and lo and behold lands you here !
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on March 04, 2015, 08:53:56 PM
Just created a new website for Geominster, not completed yet and took a while to work out but it shows promise and best of all free. Not keen on Facebook for sharing things and much prefer the friendliness here at the Forum.

Anyway if you fancy a look so far here it is ....

[url]http://georgehgv.wix.com/geominster[/url] ([url]http://georgehgv.wix.com/geominster[/url])

Looks good George - I think I might investigate wix.com to find out a bit more about what it can do. I concur 100% about Facebook and all the other social media sites. I don't relish the idea of publishing my personal details, hobbies, preferences etc. to the whole universe. Why would anyone want to do that.

I'll probably get hammered by a new thread from all the younger members of the forum now!! Hey Ho.
 :D


Hi Bob, wix.com was quite easy to use but took a while to get to grips with it, long way to go but at least I can have my own show and even the feedback link works.  :o

All free nothing to lose.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: austinbob on March 04, 2015, 08:57:10 PM
Just created a new website for Geominster, not completed yet and took a while to work out but it shows promise and best of all free. Not keen on Facebook for sharing things and much prefer the friendliness here at the Forum.

Anyway if you fancy a look so far here it is ....

[url]http://georgehgv.wix.com/geominster[/url] ([url]http://georgehgv.wix.com/geominster[/url])

Looks good George - I think I might investigate wix.com to find out a bit more about what it can do. I concur 100% about Facebook and all the other social media sites. I don't relish the idea of publishing my personal details, hobbies, preferences etc. to the whole universe. Why would anyone want to do that.

I'll probably get hammered by a new thread from all the younger members of the forum now!! Hey Ho.
 :D


Hi Bob, wix.com was quite easy to use but took a while to get to grips with it, long way to go but at least I can have my own show and even the feedback link works.  :o

All free nothing to lose.


Yes George - I'll give this a closer look over the weekend when I've got a couple of hours free. Another Free site is weebly.com but I wasn't too impressed with them. Might check them out again at the same time.
 :thankyousign:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on March 04, 2015, 09:04:13 PM
Just created a new website for Geominster, not completed yet and took a while to work out but it shows promise and best of all free. Not keen on Facebook for sharing things and much prefer the friendliness here at the Forum.

Anyway if you fancy a look so far here it is ....

[url]http://georgehgv.wix.com/geominster[/url] ([url]http://georgehgv.wix.com/geominster[/url])

Looks good George - I think I might investigate wix.com to find out a bit more about what it can do. I concur 100% about Facebook and all the other social media sites. I don't relish the idea of publishing my personal details, hobbies, preferences etc. to the whole universe. Why would anyone want to do that.

I'll probably get hammered by a new thread from all the younger members of the forum now!! Hey Ho.
 :D


Hi Bob, wix.com was quite easy to use but took a while to get to grips with it, long way to go but at least I can have my own show and even the feedback link works.  :o

All free nothing to lose.


Yes George - I'll give this a closer look over the weekend when I've got a couple of hours free. Another Free site is weebly.com but I wasn't too impressed with them. Might check them out again at the same time.
 :thankyousign:


Think I would prefer to be a wiz than a weebly  :laugh:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: austinbob on March 04, 2015, 09:15:08 PM
Just created a new website for Geominster, not completed yet and took a while to work out but it shows promise and best of all free. Not keen on Facebook for sharing things and much prefer the friendliness here at the Forum.

Anyway if you fancy a look so far here it is ....

[url]http://georgehgv.wix.com/geominster[/url] ([url]http://georgehgv.wix.com/geominster[/url])

Looks good George - I think I might investigate wix.com to find out a bit more about what it can do. I concur 100% about Facebook and all the other social media sites. I don't relish the idea of publishing my personal details, hobbies, preferences etc. to the whole universe. Why would anyone want to do that.

I'll probably get hammered by a new thread from all the younger members of the forum now!! Hey Ho.
 :D


Hi Bob, wix.com was quite easy to use but took a while to get to grips with it, long way to go but at least I can have my own show and even the feedback link works.  :o

All free nothing to lose.


Yes George - I'll give this a closer look over the weekend when I've got a couple of hours free. Another Free site is weebly.com but I wasn't too impressed with them. Might check them out again at the same time.
 :thankyousign:


Think I would prefer to be a wiz than a weebly  :laugh:

There is no answer to that George.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on March 04, 2015, 09:19:48 PM
Just created a new website for Geominster, not completed yet and took a while to work out but it shows promise and best of all free. Not keen on Facebook for sharing things and much prefer the friendliness here at the Forum.

Anyway if you fancy a look so far here it is ....

[url]http://georgehgv.wix.com/geominster[/url] ([url]http://georgehgv.wix.com/geominster[/url])

Looks good George - I think I might investigate wix.com to find out a bit more about what it can do. I concur 100% about Facebook and all the other social media sites. I don't relish the idea of publishing my personal details, hobbies, preferences etc. to the whole universe. Why would anyone want to do that.

I'll probably get hammered by a new thread from all the younger members of the forum now!! Hey Ho.
 :D


Hi Bob, wix.com was quite easy to use but took a while to get to grips with it, long way to go but at least I can have my own show and even the feedback link works.  :o

All free nothing to lose.


Yes George - I'll give this a closer look over the weekend when I've got a couple of hours free. Another Free site is weebly.com but I wasn't too impressed with them. Might check them out again at the same time.
 :thankyousign:


Think I would prefer to be a wiz than a weebly  :laugh:

There is no answer to that George.


There is as soon as NN reads the thread.  :-[
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on March 04, 2015, 09:31:48 PM
Just created a new website for Geominster, not completed yet and took a while to work out but it shows promise and best of all free. Not keen on Facebook for sharing things and much prefer the friendliness here at the Forum.

Anyway if you fancy a look so far here it is ....

[url]http://georgehgv.wix.com/geominster[/url] ([url]http://georgehgv.wix.com/geominster[/url])

Looks good George - I think I might investigate wix.com to find out a bit more about what it can do. I concur 100% about Facebook and all the other social media sites. I don't relish the idea of publishing my personal details, hobbies, preferences etc. to the whole universe. Why would anyone want to do that.

I'll probably get hammered by a new thread from all the younger members of the forum now!! Hey Ho.
 :D


Hi Bob, wix.com was quite easy to use but took a while to get to grips with it, long way to go but at least I can have my own show and even the feedback link works.  :o

All free nothing to lose.


Yes George - I'll give this a closer look over the weekend when I've got a couple of hours free. Another Free site is weebly.com but I wasn't too impressed with them. Might check them out again at the same time.
 :thankyousign:


Think I would prefer to be a wiz than a weebly  :laugh:

There is no answer to that George.


There is as soon as NN reads the thread.  :-[


 :zippedmouth: :angel: ;)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on March 11, 2015, 04:14:18 PM
Reason not much going on at Geominster this week - a new arrival......

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/29/thumb_22664.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=22664)

Big welcome to Ollie 8 weeks old Cavalier King Charles Spaniel tricolour. So cute.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: wookie on March 11, 2015, 06:12:23 PM
All together now........aaaaaaaaaaaaaah  :D
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: ScottyStitch on March 11, 2015, 06:53:02 PM
Is that a Cavalier, George?
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on March 11, 2015, 07:13:33 PM
hi Mr G.

both dog and layout are really looking good.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on March 11, 2015, 08:36:49 PM
Is that a Cavalier, George?

Certainly is, Cavalier King Charles Spaniel to be precise, only 8 weeks old but knows where to toilet, and goes to sleep after an hours playing, and was good as gold last night first night away from mummy !
Hope that continues ....
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on March 11, 2015, 08:38:01 PM
hi Mr G.

both dog and layout are really looking good.

Thanks Maurits, he will be kept well away from Geominster though.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bob Wild on March 11, 2015, 10:50:53 PM
Be warned; when this new arrival came into the Wild household, yours truly went way down the pecking order:

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She tells me it's a Ruby King Charles Cavalier Spanniel
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on March 12, 2015, 05:02:40 AM
And so she is Bob. And very beautiful too. We used to have one about 40 years ago. Our last dog passed away last year and it is now time for Ollie to share our time with. Just got up and he slept since 8 last night to 4.30 this morning without disturbing. Hope this carries on!

Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: ScottyStitch on March 12, 2015, 09:54:43 AM
Excellent George!!

I present Sophie, our Black and Tan Cavie, who will be six years old tomorrow. A delightful companion  :)

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Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on March 12, 2015, 08:45:38 PM
Excellent George!!

I present Sophie, our Black and Tan Cavie, who will be six years old tomorrow. A delightful companion  :)

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And a train spotter too !
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on March 21, 2015, 08:18:12 AM
It has taken all week now to do any more to the layout, having bought the NCE DB5 about six weeks ago it was well overdue being fitted, at the same time a change in layout a while ago meant another point motor needed connecting to the DCC decoder board. I took the plunge and tilted the board for the first time in about four months and carried out the additions without any problems. Just thought a couple of photos to show how much wiring is needed to operate Geominster, not very tidy either but tangible.

I have since added a light to illuminate the fiddle yard when completed which sits beneath the main layout. The wires hanging down are for traffic lights and a few cars and vans which hopefully will be completed over the weekend.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/28/thumb_23114.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23114)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/28/thumb_23116.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23116)

The main reason for a lack of time is Ollie

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/28/thumb_23117.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23117)

Hopefully more updates soon.

Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on April 07, 2015, 08:47:30 AM
Finally some progress at Geominster.

Having had the layout upturned for electrical works connecting various lights and point motors due to the addition of my helix of late I discovered I had the wrong polarity Traffic Light Signal controller, thanks to block Signalling for exchanging for the correct one the signals now work and the layout returned to horizontal.

I do have a long list of scenic to attend to when time permits and also want to spend some time on the Fiddle Yard design, I am happy with the running loop returning to the helix for ascent to Geominster but not convinced I am maximizing the storage space within it. Hopefully I can set out the track and convince myself that it will hold the majority of the stock I have, I am also considering a long single or double track running around part of the room like a shelf layout from the helix.

Whilst not much actual progress has been made on the construction side too much has been spent on locomotives and rolling stock recently. I have bought the new JNA & IOA wagon releases from Dapol I have managed to buy some GF Class 60's which are extremely good runners and had some of them hard wired DCC Chipped by Kevin at Coastal DCC.

 I have bought three GF Class 66's which I have held back from as all of my 66's were by Dapol so now have mixed manufacturer but there is little difference. Added six carriages at a cost of 70 which should arrive this week some BR Maroon and GWR Brown & Cream for the Preservation Line.

I believe the Dapol HST FGW to run alongside the original one I have is due any day from Derails my preferred Dapol and Peco supplier and also the Cumbrian set from GF is likely to arrive in the next few weeks, hence my thoughts on the Fiddle Yard capacity.

I will try and get some photos up of the new arrivals shortly.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on April 12, 2015, 06:44:01 PM
Progress is slow, however I have been working on planning of the Under Layout Fiddle Yard, I want to store as much of my stock as possible so that I can call it up into Geominster simply and easily. This is the latest idea purely for storage and relatively easy access through the Helix to the top level. Any comments gratefully received prior to actual construction for consideration. I have decided to follow another idea I have seen here on the Forum and cover the entire board with 5mm thick under laminate floor insulation with a couple of sheets of mountboard which I already have and sprayed with a granite effect paint.

Here is the proposed plan.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/27/thumb_23948.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23948)

And new arrivals at Geominster recently

Three Class 66's.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/27/thumb_23949.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23949)

Three Class 60's two DCC chipped by Kevin at Coastal DCC beautifully wired in.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/27/thumb_23950.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=23950)

While I wait for materials for the Fiddle Yard I had hoped to do some scenery with Geominster but been called into work this week. However that will help pay for the new Dapol FGW HST, and GF Cumbrian Set due any day.

Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on April 12, 2015, 09:16:34 PM
Regarding the topmost siding I would do away with the LH and RH points that put the kink into it. Instead, replace part of the curves with a RH and LH point and, hey presto, no kinks and longer sidings (you'll probably get better running into the top siding, too) :thumbsup:
Hope that makes sense.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on April 12, 2015, 09:22:20 PM
Thanks NN, the points on that siding are Peco 385 386 better radius although drawn as ST 5 and 6. So could use them as entrance to main sidings and be smoother, the bottom siding entrance is the same but drawing was easier with ST 5 and 6.

Can see it would make for longer sidings though, good idea.  :D
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on April 12, 2015, 10:16:50 PM
Mr. G.

can you post the whole plan. It complicated and can mayby less complicated.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on April 13, 2015, 04:41:05 AM
Hi Maurits, on my ipad if I click on the photo it opens up all of plan, if I get time tonight I will try and scan it to a pdf. Thanks, Geo
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Sprintex on April 13, 2015, 04:57:39 AM
Can see the entire fiddle yard plan OK here :thumbsup:


Paul
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on April 13, 2015, 05:11:24 AM
Can see the entire fiddle yard plan OK here :thumbsup:


Paul

Any comments Paul? I know it is early .....

Geo
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Sprintex on April 13, 2015, 07:43:59 AM
Not early for me :D

Good use of space, especially the kickback sidings in the centre :thumbsup:

Only other comment is to agree with Mick about swapping those 2 points over at the top so the straight portion of the point leads into the top loop.


Paul
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on April 13, 2015, 08:04:26 PM
Mr. G.

I can see why you have designed it this way, my comments, lots of points so expensive, I would try to go for less points and longer tracks. ( like what i have done , )
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on April 13, 2015, 09:28:39 PM
Mr. G.

I can see why you have designed it this way, my comments, lots of points so expensive, I would try to go for less points and longer tracks. ( like what i have done , )

All ordered and due tomorrow, hoping to wire in points as pairs so saving decoders, think I will follow the comments ref the reversing of the points on the top siding and add a small straight to the semi circle on the left so to reach the full board width.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on April 22, 2015, 08:06:36 AM
Had a little time recently and track materials arrived so considered the best way forward with the Fiddle Yard.
I read here in a thread that someone had used laminate floor insulation to soundproof the baseboard and then covered it with mountboard and spray finished with fleck paint.
All sounded like a good idea, I had spare mountboard and ordered insulation and fleck paint.
As the Fiddle Yard will be visible beneath Geominster and with a lot of track attached I wanted it to look "finished" albeit without scenery and fairly simple to produce. The track can be fixed down with pins, the holes for point motors punched through the mountboard and insulation then drilled through plywood baseboard.

Here is the insulation fixed with pva adhesive.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24290.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24290)

Then with mountboard stuck down with pva
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24291.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24291)

Now with fleck paint applied and a couple of pieces of track loose laid to see the effect.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24292.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24292)

Sadly need another tin of paint to cover evenly but I am pleased with the effect and will be perfect for my purpose.
Also discovered a mark on camera lens hence the small shadow on the photos, must be fleck of dust from somewhere so another job on the list.

Hopefully paint will arrive at the weekend so a start can be made on track laying.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 22, 2015, 08:54:50 AM
Looks like a very good solution, George.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on April 22, 2015, 10:34:05 AM
Thanks Chris, it looks way better than bare plywood which I was going to have.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on April 27, 2015, 06:59:05 AM
The extra can of flecked granite paint arrived and now been applied, whilst not even and a little blotchy not much will show under Geominster and masses of track so I am happy with the effect. Hopefully track laying will commence soon.

Granite fleck applied

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24444.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24444)

Close up of the effect

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24445.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24445)

New arrivals at Geominster, a rake of Yeoman wagons, Class 37 and the new FGW HST complete with recently purchased Totem.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24446.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24446)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/26/thumb_24447.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24447)

I am expecting the Dapol Malcolm Megafret set today, I have sold a couple of unwanted items to fund the purchase and think the set will be a great addition to Geominster, will be having a sort out shortly of anything else that could be sold on as I seem to have too much stock and some never used.

The plan this week to make a start track laying on the new fiddle yard board at long last, a great amount of wiring and point fitting awaits.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on April 27, 2015, 07:11:54 AM
Very nice, George.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Paddy on April 27, 2015, 09:13:20 AM
That paint looks good George.  I would not worry too much about the patchy nature as I have found it dries much more even and in the real world it would not be uniform anyway.

Keep up the excellent work.

Paddy
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on April 27, 2015, 04:59:27 PM
That paint looks good George.  I would not worry too much about the patchy nature as I have found it dries much more even and in the real world it would not be uniform anyway.

Keep up the excellent work.

Paddy

Hi Paddy, it was your great idea that inspired me to copy it, I believe it will all come out really well, I am hoping to punch a hole through the mountboard and insulation with a hollow punch followed with a drill for giving me the spindle access for Peco point motors. On Geominster layout I retrospectively fitted the point motors, a very hard lesson learnt. Never again.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Paddy on April 27, 2015, 05:11:39 PM
Hi Paddy, it was your great idea that inspired me to copy it, I believe it will all come out really well, I am hoping to punch a hole through the mountboard and insulation with a hollow punch followed with a drill for giving me the spindle access for Peco point motors. On Geominster layout I retrospectively fitted the point motors, a very hard lesson learnt. Never again.

Absolutely George - fitting point motors is not something you want to go back to afterwards.  In fact I hate wiring so much that on HOLLERTON JUNCTION I did not bother.  Mind you, the layout is only 6x2.5 so all the points are within easy reach.

Paddy
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on May 04, 2015, 08:22:57 PM
An opportunity to spend some time on the fiddle yard this weekend was very productive, the aim being to make maximum use of the available space so I can call up any of my locomotives and rolling stock into Geominster from the storage yard mounted below Geominster via the helix.
Unfortunately I ran out of time and track so I had to stop for now, however I am pleased with the project so far and the surface has worked out well. Next job is to connect all the dropper wires to the power bus and hopefully complete the track.


An update photo on Geominster Fiddle Yard before I ran out of track and dropper wires.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24639.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24639)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on May 04, 2015, 09:25:38 PM
That's going to hold an awful lot of stock :goggleeyes:
What's the longest train you can store please?
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on May 04, 2015, 09:44:06 PM
I will try and measure it tomorrow, am on early shifts this week and finishing late.

The shortest reverse loop is only about 800mm on the Geominster layout so that does restrict things slightly but the design of the layout also permits not having to go through that RLM as I can now return via the Helix and another longer RLM.

There are a lot of points to wire in for DCC but I wil probably wire a lot of them in pairs reducing the number of decoders required.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on May 14, 2015, 07:13:07 AM
Great news from Geominster, the fiddle yard track is now all laid, the dropper wires all in place and connected to the track power bus. Despite using Peco Insulfrog Points upon testing with a class 153 with coach lighting I was delighted to report no dead spots on the track and no stalling.

I have had the fiddle yard connected to Geominster via the track bus and everything works well, I did spot one pair of crossed wires from the fishplates while fixing track so just had to ensure they crossed back again when connecting to the power bus.

Now I just need to connect 45 point motors and finish the Hornby Railmaster track plan for the Fiddle Yard and all can be joined to Geominster.

I will need to buy some more point motors and cable but managed to locate in box of spares enough crimps to connect the cable to the motors which saves hours soldering. Not a job I am relishing but at least there is an end now in sight so I can actually fill the fiddle yard and "play" trains.

For anyone interested the length of the storage does of course vary greatly but roughly the length of centre track of the sidings at the top are 750mm, the bottom are 900mm, the left side are  750mm, and the right side are  600mm and 500mm. According to Anyrail Design there is a total of 34 metres of track including curves and points etc.



An aerial view (taken balanced on top of steps) of the Fiddle Yard showing all the track fixed. Includes programming track balanced on Geominster and other items awaiting tidying away!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24892.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24892)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bealman on May 14, 2015, 08:09:29 AM
Cool!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on May 14, 2015, 10:33:57 AM
looking good George, that's plenty of space to store a few trains
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on May 14, 2015, 01:19:50 PM
Very impressive, George :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Vonk on May 16, 2015, 09:37:11 PM
That is some pretty nice track work going on there!
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on May 21, 2015, 07:20:03 AM
Not very much going on at Geominster apart from putting the Fiddle Yard back into place beneath the Main Layout and attaching a new control desk, this will hold the laptop controlling points and signals along with the NCE Powercab holder, a full list of locomotives and DCC Code numbers, a cup of tea or even a  :beers: or two.

Control desk fitted.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_25073.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=25073)



Laptop screenshot showing the schematic of Geominster.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_25070.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=25070)


Laptop screenshot of Geominster Fiddle Yard as yet the details and point buttons incompleted.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_25071.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=25071)

Close up of Fiddle Yard screenshot showing allocated storage sidings and DCC codes for easy access. I cannot complete the list until I have set up all the running stock to actually determine the best fit.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_25072.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=25072)

The next project is probably going to be the fitting and coding of the 45 points needed to run the Fiddle Yard, I will need a few clear uninterrupted days to do this. It does seem a shame to be indoors with the weather so nice and outdoor jobs piling up.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bealman on May 21, 2015, 08:43:19 AM
Uber cool.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Vonk on May 21, 2015, 09:23:37 AM
The next project is probably going to be the fitting and coding of the 45 points needed to run the Fiddle Yard, I will need a few clear uninterrupted days to do this. It does seem a shame to be indoors with the weather so nice and outdoor jobs piling up.

Can't you take the fiddle yard outside to do this and make it an "outside" job - best of both worlds then   :smiley-laughing:
In all seriousness though it is looking good nice to see it laid out on the pc
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on May 21, 2015, 10:10:09 AM
It does seem a shame to be indoors with the weather so nice and outdoor jobs piling up.

Simple answer to that, George. Move to Lancashire :laugh:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on May 21, 2015, 11:43:08 AM
The next project is probably going to be the fitting and coding of the 45 points needed to run the Fiddle Yard, I will need a few clear uninterrupted days to do this. It does seem a shame to be indoors with the weather so nice and outdoor jobs piling up.

Can't you take the fiddle yard outside to do this and make it an "outside" job - best of both worlds then   :smiley-laughing:
In all seriousness though it is looking good nice to see it laid out on the pc

That is not such a bad idea, could pop the board back in workshop when it gets cloudy.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on May 21, 2015, 11:44:10 AM
It does seem a shame to be indoors with the weather so nice and outdoor jobs piling up.

Simple answer to that, George. Move to Lancashire :laugh:

Yeah NN doe s it rain oop therrrr? :o
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bealman on May 21, 2015, 12:08:11 PM
We worry about sun cancer here.... when I lived there I worried about cloud cancer  :D
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on June 05, 2015, 06:26:17 AM
Well another couple of weeks have passed and no work to report on Geominster.

However a big decision has been made that I have now decided to retire from my part-time job in order to spend more time at home working on the house, the garden, playing with "Ollie",

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/23/thumb_25670.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=25670)


visiting places I have only ever driven past, taking it easy, going to Exhibitions and having time to look round and of course get Geominster running so I can "play" with it.

Downside obviously is a great reduction in spare cash to lavish on trains, however I think I can manage to overcome that by trawling through boxes that haven't been opened in years and realise some from selling unwanted items.

Currently spending this week and next catching up on long overdue decorating, the place does look like new with shining white instead of fading white paintwork, the garden is up to scratch, just a little maintenance wanted and then possibly a good few days fitting points to the Fiddle Yard. I need 12 more point motors and three more DCC Supplies point decoders then I have everything needed to complete.

Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on June 06, 2015, 06:09:20 AM
well sometimes enough is enough.  will not show the pics of 'ollie' to my daughter too avoid a long, long i want one weekend  :worried:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: cornish yorkie on June 06, 2015, 09:47:40 PM
Good luck on everything, layout looking really super. On a side note we also have an Olly (cairn terrier) 2years old.
regards Derek
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Jimmy77 on June 06, 2015, 11:30:08 PM
That fiddle yard is a work of art! And to get it running nice and smooth must be so satisfying.

Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on June 07, 2015, 06:19:40 AM
The fiddle yard was designed solely so that I could store as much as possible, surprisingly to me the track laid very well and after connecting all the dropper wires I tested each and every siding I discovered two uneven joints which were simply rectified.

I always wanted a layout that could be dismantled easily and moved out of the room, this project does just that in only three sections.

I still have a lot of work to do, the fiddle yard points mainly but meanwhile I think I must get Geominster scenery improved and I also have a couple od derailing issues.

Yesterday the GF Duchess of Hamilton which is only a few days old overheated on the tender and melted part of the wheel mountings, it was extremely hot when I noticed and picked it up. It still runs OK  but think I will return it in case it catches fire.

Thanks for all your kind comments about the layout etc.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 07, 2015, 07:27:17 AM
Very sorry to read about your GF "Duchess of Hamilton". I hope that it was a one-off and not a batch fault. I look forward to seeing the replacement running.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on June 07, 2015, 07:44:51 AM
Very sorry to read about your GF "Duchess of Hamilton". I hope that it was a one-off and not a batch fault. I look forward to seeing the replacement running.


Thanks Chris. This is the result.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/23/thumb_25720.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=25720)

I am worried that this could have caused a fire on the layout, total running time about 20 minutes on DCC possibly maximum 5 minutes at a time. Ran in on DC without issues.

Smelt something burning and lifted Duchess from track and burnt finger on the wheel.

I have contacted Bachmann and await a response from them.

Anyone any ideas? Meanwhile I say Watch your Duchess!
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bealman on June 07, 2015, 08:01:04 AM
Wow....  ???
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on June 07, 2015, 08:25:53 AM
My thoughts entirely. Am I right or wrong to be worried, may this be an issue with others?
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 07, 2015, 10:32:51 AM
Thank goodness you noticed it in time, Geoff. I hope that it is a 'one-off' failure but it may be a fault with a particular batch?
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: 25901JFM on June 07, 2015, 09:32:47 PM
George,
Firstly, sorry to see that nasty looking failure on the Duchess.  Secondly, after your comment on my thread in the layout planning section, I've popped over here to see your helix.  What a feat of engineering that is!  I have a couple of questions: 1. What size trains do your steam loco's handle when climbing it and what is the gradient/height of climb per turn in order to clear the previous level?  It is certainly an option I would like to consider when I finally get round to building my layout.

 :thankyousign:
John
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on June 07, 2015, 09:52:27 PM
George,
Firstly, sorry to see that nasty looking failure on the Duchess.  Secondly, after your comment on my thread in the layout planning section, I've popped over here to see your helix.  What a feat of engineering that is!  I have a couple of questions: 1. What size trains do your steam loco's handle when climbing it and what is the gradient/height of climb per turn in order to clear the previous level?  It is certainly an option I would like to consider when I finally get round to building my layout.Dh

 :thankyousign:
John

Hi John, as I only have three steam engines none of which are happy pulling up the helix my plan is to keep them on the main layout so that is not such an issue. The diesels all seem to cope well with a moderate rake behind them, bearing in mind Geominster is not a large layout I cannot accommodate long trains anyway.

My mentor on the helix was Maurits who posts here with his new layout Hills and Meadows who is very knowledgable and helpful. He suggested bullfrog snot to assist the steamers climb but at the moment I am happy without.


Space being a premium it had to be a compact helix to climb in that short distance. However since building it another Forum member kindly sent me a programme which calculates the heights angles etc etc. He was happy for me to share it so pm me your email and I will locate it and send over.

But look at Maurits post it is awesome. A very helpful guy as well. Cheers George.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: 25901JFM on June 07, 2015, 10:23:56 PM
George,
Firstly, sorry to see that nasty looking failure on the Duchess.  Secondly, after your comment on my thread in the layout planning section, I've popped over here to see your helix.  What a feat of engineering that is!  I have a couple of questions: 1. What size trains do your steam loco's handle when climbing it and what is the gradient/height of climb per turn in order to clear the previous level?  It is certainly an option I would like to consider when I finally get round to building my layout.Dh

 :thankyousign:
John

Hi John, as I only have three steam engines none of which are happy pulling up the helix my plan is to keep them on the main layout so that is not such an issue. The diesels all seem to cope well with a moderate rake behind them, bearing in mind Geominster is not a large layout I cannot accommodate long trains anyway.

My mentor on the helix was Maurits who posts here with his new layout Hills and Meadows who is very knowledgable and helpful. He suggested bullfrog snot to assist the steamers climb but at the moment I am happy without.


Space being a premium it had to be a compact helix to climb in that short distance. However since building it another Forum member kindly sent me a programme which calculates the heights angles etc etc. He was happy for me to share it so pm me your email and I will locate it and send over.

But look at Maurits post it is awesome. A very helpful guy as well. Cheers George.

 :thankyousign: George.  I've just seen another option for a lower level storage solution. Halberford by bellringer has a traverser below part of the layout which would require less height to be gained to join the layout.  This forum certainly is the place to be to find ideas that you wouldn't necessarily think of or consider until you see what someone else has come up with!   :NGaugersRule:

John
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Dr Al on June 10, 2015, 10:30:16 AM
[I am worried that this could have caused a fire on the layout, total running time about 20 minutes on DCC possibly maximum 5 minutes at a time. Ran in on DC without issues.

Smelt something burning and lifted Duchess from track and burnt finger on the wheel.

I have contacted Bachmann and await a response from them.

Anyone any ideas? Meanwhile I say Watch your Duchess!

Ouch! looks like a short circuit across that wheel potentially - the only thing that could get the brass strips *that* hot I'd have thought. If you can measure [I know it'll be returned, but just for your own interest] the resistance of the wheelset or the current the model draws you'll soon see (it should draw no more than something around 25mA).

Either that or a DCC oddness that's cause the chip to draw a lot of current - how long did you run it on DC?

Shame :-(

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on June 22, 2015, 06:56:22 PM
Not really my week, after the episode with The Duchess the laptop which is used to control Geominster points and track decided to lock up, it would not stay alive long enough to deactivate Railmaster to be used on another and I was very worried that Geominster plan would be lost in cyber space.
However I managed to get the track plan saved to memory stick and I went about using a rebuilt laptop running Windows 8 to download the trial version of RM, after getting Hornby to deactivate the old laptop I have now successfully transferred the vital plans to the new one and it now runs so smoothly and quickly I have a better operation than previously, I have also played with some settings improving the overall view of both Geominster and the fiddle yard on the same screen, I will add programme buttons to give a close up of each one independently for clearer view.

Below is the new version which after a few settings tweaks runs well.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/23/thumb_26234.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=26234)

Onwards and upwards now as they say.

Still waiting for GF to return repaired Duchess.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on June 22, 2015, 10:09:04 PM
Congratulations on getting the software problem fixed. I look forward to seeing the repaired "Duchess" running smoothly, soon.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on June 25, 2015, 08:47:30 PM
Good news at last, The Duchess of Hamilton has been returned by Bachmann with a replaced tender and currently being run in on the roundy roundy DC test track. I have left the tender off so to save taking it apart again to fit the chip.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/23/thumb_26338.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=26338)

The latest arrival here is Princess City of Bradford now run in and ready for a Digitrax chip and then onto Geominster Preservation Line.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/23/thumb_26339.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=26339)

I am waiting for a Class 20 BR Blue unweathered which I have been trying to get for ages and should arrive tomorrow.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on June 25, 2015, 09:30:06 PM
Hope your happy with the replacement Duchess, George.
The loco does look very nice in black. I almost tempted to get one but too many pre orders are starting to arrive :doh:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on June 25, 2015, 09:38:32 PM
Far too many new releases filtering through Mick. I see the A2 in apple green is due before long, then they all need a dcc chip adding to the costs. The a2 will be the last steamer at least for now.

The duchess just got a new tender, looking at it I do not know why the whhels would have got so hot to melt the tender. No explanation given at all.

The City of Bradford looks very good in black and runs ok now on DC, only one chip spare and I was hoping to pop that in class 20 if postie brings it tomorrow or Saturday.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on July 01, 2015, 06:18:07 PM
UPDATE

Well what with the heat etc today I have been having a serious rethink about Geominster and decided that whilst the fiddle yard and access via the helix worked there would possibly be issues accessing the fiddle yard storage sidings should anything derail etc. So planning consent was applied for and granted meaning the fiddle yard could be positioned to the right of Geominster and the helix would no longer be needed.

As I intend leaving the fiddle yard populated it also occurred to me that I could actually fit a lid to keep the dust out and if I made it transparent from Perspex or similar it could be used whilst the lid was still closed.

I have now rotated the fiddle yard so the two open ends face those of Geominster and hopefully tomorrow I can commence alterations to alter the access points to align. There was always something not quite right and stopping me progressing, this solution I think will address those issues so I can get some finishing work done.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/22/thumb_26631.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=26631)


Aerial photo showing the proximity of the fiddle yard with Geominster, more carpentry work to follow and a lot of alignment etc still to do as well as fitting point motors to fiddle yard, now though with renewed enthusiasm all systems go.

Thanks for following the posts. Helix will be dismantled or sold.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on July 01, 2015, 08:12:29 PM
Sad the helix has gone after all your work on it, George, but I think you'll enjoy the new arrangement more. Well done on concluding negotiations successfully with 'the Authorities' :)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on July 02, 2015, 09:04:04 PM
 I have spent today altering the track on Geominster to align with the fiddle yard and reinstating some of the scenery. Next up is the alterations so the track aligns on the fiddle yard.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bob Wild on July 02, 2015, 11:17:20 PM
Sad the helix has gone after all your work on it, George,

Me too.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on July 03, 2015, 06:15:32 AM
Yes I am sad to say the helix has to go but the fiddle yard was just too near to the underside of Geominster and I could see problems if any derailments on it would probably have meant my clumsy hand knocking something else over.

Also Geominster was quite high and had to be constructed that way so I could turn it over and clear the storage unit beneath it, as most of the work was now complete there was little need to flip it over, by lowering it to about 750mm from floor level it now sits on some redundant chests of drawers and visually improves the room by an illusion of more space, there was also room for the fiddle yard to fit to the right of it and all be on the same level so I considered this to be vastly more user friendly.

However I learnt a lot with the helix, it worked and if the fiddle yard had just been an extension loop etc to run trains round would have been saved, but I need storage to run Geomister without keep getting stock from JB's boxes. It will be dismantled shortly.

However the challenge is now to create the see through cover which I propose to support when open with gas struts and will easily lift completely off when maintenance is required. I will document progress when it happens.

Today I hope to get the fiddle yard track adjusted to suit the inbound tracks from Geominster.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on July 28, 2015, 08:55:43 PM
The helix got revenge, as I was carefully putting it down ready to dismantle it I felt my back pull, the last three weeks has meant being very careful and now it has finally sorted I have progressed a little with the layout.


I have built a new facia and painted it to link the fiddle yard to Geominster, the whole room looks tidier and more spacious. I have stocked the fiddle yard and discovered far too many locos and rolling stock which are currently being sold. Some of the sale proceeds can buy the remaining point motors and decoders needed to finish the fiddle yard.

The idea of covering the fiddle yard with a lid is still under development but I intend using a sheet of 9mm MDF with about 70% of the MDF removed by cutting eight windows in it, then a sheet of acrylic fitted underside will allow me to keep the stock dustproofed and still use it while the lid is down except of course for any derailments, it will be hinged to lift with a couple of gas struts to support it open. If this works the idea may roll out across Geominster in a similar fashion but will be opened when in use.

I still have a lot of work to do but it is important that what has been done works and while the fiddle yard under the layout saved space, access was tricky and stock left on it was easily knocked creating a domino effect on adjacent tracks, all in a confined space and would have driven me mad.

Wide angle of complete fiddle yard
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/20/thumb_27609.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=27609)

Left side of fiddle yard
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/20/thumb_27610.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=27610)

Right side of fiddle yard
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/20/thumb_27611.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=27611)

Overall view
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/20/thumb_27612.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=27612)

Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on July 28, 2015, 10:02:02 PM
That's looking very professional, George :thumbsup:
Still some empty loops in the fiddle yard - maybe you need more stock :laugh:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on July 28, 2015, 10:07:47 PM
That's looking very professional, George :thumbsup:
Still some empty loops in the fiddle yard - maybe you need more stock :laugh:

Haha Mick, there is a drawer under the layout full of boxed items to go, the spaces will be filled by new releases mainly Farish.

I also have quite a few 6 pin chips in a box ready to fit in new stock.

I must get the tunnel entrances finished on the layout though and leave the fiddle yard till autumn when I will have more time
 to motorise the points.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on July 28, 2015, 10:12:42 PM
You could always get rid of those class 70s :sick2: ;)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on July 30, 2015, 08:00:55 AM
It is disappointing to post here about progress on Geominster as of recent times no-one seems interested anymore, with the exception of just one or two members who encourage or comment. Just one thanks and only one comment from the last update shows me that the thread has run it's course as an interest to others. Therefore I will not post in it further. It takes a lot of time to take photos and edit them in.
Thank you for the advice and encouragement particularly in the early posts.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on July 30, 2015, 01:10:02 PM
Not sure if you're being a little harsh on folks there, George :-\
With over 13,000 views your thread is obviously of interest to fellow members and, although they may not comment, I'm sure your progress is being appreciated by many. I, for one, would be disappointed not to see further updates :(
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Caz on July 30, 2015, 01:47:28 PM
Likewise here, people love looking at the updates etc but eventually run out of comments to put on a thread, especially a long running thread.  They've probably said it all before on previous posts but are still keen to seen what you are up to and carry on learning from your exploits so don't be disheartened.     :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chewy750 on July 30, 2015, 02:41:04 PM
 :sorrysign: Well, for one who looks and doesn't generally comment (maybe because I am in awe of your ability) I would say please do not stop posting updates as the layout is absolutely brilliant and I'm sure it inspires people to 'have a go'. Keep up the good work. Take the 10K+ views as confirmation of how good the layout is.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on July 30, 2015, 02:41:50 PM
Likewise here, people love looking at the updates etc but eventually run out of comments to put on a thread, especially a long running thread.  They've probably said it all before on previous posts but are still keen to seen what you are up to and carry on learning from your exploits so don't be disheartened.     :thumbsup:

True enough except a thank you is but one click of the mouse. Seems even that is a bit too much to ask Caz.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on July 30, 2015, 02:46:10 PM
:sorrysign: Well, for one who looks and doesn't generally comment (maybe because I am in awe of your ability) I would say please do not stop posting updates as the layout is absolutely brilliant and I'm sure it inspires people to 'have a go'. Keep up the good work. Take the 10K+ views as confirmation of how good the layout is.

Thanks Chewy, no-one should be in awe of anything I do, I knew very little when I started a couple of years back and still know less than most, I have enjoyed the experience but I will probably concentrate on the website rather than the Forum and just drop by to do what others do, have a silent browse.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: wookie on July 30, 2015, 05:25:49 PM
Do you have a track plan of your fiddle yard please?
It is a very interesting design, and I am wondering if I could modify it to use on Wookery....
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Mito on July 30, 2015, 06:19:55 PM
I'm sorry you feel as you do. Remember there are more "readers" than "writers" on any forum. The views testify to the readers. I shall bookmark your site but I hope you'll continue to post here.
I have read your posts and am impressed with what you have done. It's been my hobby all my life but you have achieved more in your 2 years than I have in 45.
Cheers,
Brian.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bob Wild on July 30, 2015, 11:26:56 PM
As another novice with only two years experience, I understand what you are saying. But.... as others say, it's often the interest of seeing what others are achieving and doing that I most enjoy, without necessary commenting every time. Perhaps you're right, we should possibly press the thank you button a bit more often.

Bob
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: wookie on July 31, 2015, 11:54:50 AM
Thanks for the track plan George, food for thought  :hmmm:

I echoed everybody else's feelings in my email to you.....
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: sp1 on July 31, 2015, 12:51:19 PM
I only stumbled across this thread yesterday (don't know how I missed it before as I look in on the forum quite a lot, but rarely post ...) - I read through it all last night and am greatly inspired, so it would be a shame to see the thread 'die'.

I am contemplating an N gauge layout (I have a lot of stock, including track, purchased some time ago for a project that I never started building).

As I have no layout (and haven't built in N for over 30 years) I look at a lot of posts, but don't feel qualified to comment for that (those?) reasons - I suspect others are in a similar situation - your thread is a great inspiration, so I urge you to reconsider posting on it.

Steve

Edit to add:although I read a lot of things of interest, I don't feel inclined to add comments such as 'that looks great, mate' / 'brilliant' etc as personally I find having to wade through pages of this very tedious - perhaps I should use the 'like' button more now that you have brought attention to it
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: cornish yorkie on July 31, 2015, 02:16:56 PM
George I would totally echo what has been said previously, you have built a truly insperational layout which although commented on very little I admire your work and would be sorry to see no more updates. :NGaugersRule: :greatpicturessign:

regards Derek
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 01, 2015, 03:51:51 AM
Hi to everyone who has posted recently. I am humbled by the response and confess that I had not realised how many people have been following the thread. Thanks to you all. I never expected a reaction like this.

I will now reconsider updating progress, it may be a little while before I post the latest works as I want to take photographs of all the locomotives and stock whilst allocating storage sidings to them all. Also having sold a lot of unwanted items it now unleashes the potential to enjoy what I have left so actually running trains on the layout will be a pleasure and hopefully I can get some photo shots on location as it were.

Please though as a way of encouragement can you click the thanks button which simple though it may seem means a great deal to me and lets me know that the thread is being read and followed.

Below is a plan of the entire Geominster Layout and the Fiddle Yard attached to it. Overall size being Geominster 2200mm x 750mm and the Fiddle Yard 2150mm x 700mm.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/20/thumb_27710.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=27710)

Thank you all again and I hope to post again shortly.

George
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bealman on August 01, 2015, 06:25:39 AM
George, I am so glad you have decided to keep posting, because as a mod, I can assure you your thread is being looked at, and as a member of the forum I look forward to updates.

I am probably as guilty as anyone of not hitting the thank you button... thank you for the reminder that courtesy is but a click away.

George  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on August 01, 2015, 07:29:34 AM
Georgy boy  ;)


stop thinking nonsens ( in a good way ), keep on posting,  ;)

like the new fiddle yard, although I already have seen that you have longer trains then you can fit. ? is this one also completely controlled ? or manual.

think it's also time for some proper layout and layout detail pictures :), 

best regards

M.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: wookie on August 01, 2015, 11:27:52 AM
Glad to hear it George  :D
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 01, 2015, 04:31:00 PM
Georgy boy  ;)


stop thinking nonsens ( in a good way ), keep on posting,  ;)

like the new fiddle yard, although I already have seen that you have longer trains then you can fit. ? is this one also completely controlled ? or manual.

think it's also time for some proper layout and layout detail pictures :), 


best regards

M.

Maurits, not sure what you mean by longer trains than can fit, all are parked in storage sidings with clearance for others to pass. The longest rake that can go through the shortest RLM is 760mm and all are within that dimension.

Yes all the points will all be controlled via Hornby elink and Railmaster with NCE Powercab providing control of the locomotives.

No more layout pictures or detail until scenery has progressed etc.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on August 01, 2015, 05:45:47 PM
George, his is what I ment, your class 43 doesn't fit ;)

Right side of fiddle yard
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/20/thumb_27611.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=27611)

Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 01, 2015, 06:11:24 PM
Aha, well spotted.  Indeed it needs swapping to another line.  :-[  :thankyousign:  missed that one.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 01, 2015, 06:12:18 PM
Many thanks for the updates, George, which I have been enjoying. Please, keep them coming.

Best regards,
Chris
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 03, 2015, 06:33:37 PM
Finally getting a little time to try out some of the locomotives I have accumulated over the past three years.

Advice wanted really to begin with, do you guys have issues with derailment of some stock, it seems that the heavier items are usually pretty sound staying coupled and on the tracks but some of them are so light that anything causes a derailment. So do you add a little weight to them to help keep them firmly on the rails? In particular so far I am having trouble with the dummy car of a Farish 170 Cross Country which is so light I am sure if I slammed the door the draught would blow it off the layout and the dummy car of Farish HST FGW the new one seems so close coupled it catches the carriage it is attached to and uncouples and derails. Would longer couplings help and a little weight added? When I have completed the fiddle yard I will be running the same rakes and intend putting a dob of tacky wax to each coupling s they stay together, I am not over bothered about prototypical look I just want to stop the hand of God intervening and placing things back on the rails.

As I said most of the heavier stuff seems OK  so it cannot be down completely to bad track laying, no uneven joints etc.

Any advice and help will be gratefully received. Thanks, George
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Sprintex on August 03, 2015, 08:45:30 PM
I added weight to my Dapol HST dummy unit as the lights would flicker as it 'bounced' over point frogs, it's fine now ;) Same with the unpowered cars of the Class 156s.

My rake of PGA hoppers have also been weighted as I felt they were too light to act realistically over junctions - you could almost see how featherweight they are :thumbsup:


Paul

Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 03, 2015, 08:50:46 PM
Thanks Paul. What did you use for weight? I have a bottle unopened of Liquid Gravity, if I used some small mould maybe from plasticine or similar to pour a little into mixed with pva and then glued the resulting moulded LQ into wagon or carriage etc, reckon that would work?
Thanks again, George.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Sprintex on August 03, 2015, 08:56:56 PM
Dapol HST I made a little box from card that I filled with lead shot that fits where the motor usually goes in the powered car. PGAs just had a single layer of shot in the bottom held by glue and covered with paint when I weathered the insides ;)

I see no reason why your method shouldn't work :thumbsup:


Paul
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 03, 2015, 09:15:51 PM
I might try my way first because I can adjust how many half marble moulded weights I need. Thanks.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: wookie on August 03, 2015, 10:13:28 PM
You need big nuts mate.


You know, the things that go on the end of bolts  :smiley-laughing:
They make great weights
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Mito on August 03, 2015, 10:23:40 PM
This might be of interest. It's American but could be useful. They have standards that cover just about everything! http://www.nmra.org/beginner/weight (http://www.nmra.org/beginner/weight)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 03, 2015, 11:04:04 PM
You need big nuts mate.


You know, the things that go on the end of bolts  :smiley-laughing:
They make great weights

Not sure about big nuts Wookie! But thanks anyway, all the nuts here are rusty!

Have had a few long weights over the years as well. :smiley-laughing:

Good link from Mito especially being old enough to remember ounces, NN do you remember ounces ?  :D
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: sp1 on August 03, 2015, 11:24:33 PM
'Plant' weights (they look similar to lead strips) from an aquatics shop seems to be another recommended option: cheap and readily available!
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on August 04, 2015, 09:48:51 AM
NN do you remember ounces ?  :D

Of course I do, George.
6 ounces to the chain, 2 pounds to the furlong and 1 mile equals 1 ton.
Just off now to count my florins :D
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: jonclox on August 04, 2015, 10:43:06 AM
NN do you remember ounces ?  :D

Of course I do, George.
6 ounces to the chain, 2 pounds to the furlong and 1 mile equals 1 ton.
Just off now to count my florins :D
Is that the ` florin' from the magic roundabout?
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: jonclox on August 04, 2015, 10:47:41 AM
Ive used the liquid gravity for a number of years now. It rarely fails to do its job if poured over a coating of poly cement and any surplus shaken off once its dried (or more added if needs be)
 One early experiment though had an over dose of it and was a  :censored: to tow even on its own
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bealman on August 04, 2015, 01:40:35 PM
All you people are in need of serious medical assistance and I blame sprintex for getting involved   ;D
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: wookie on August 05, 2015, 07:34:39 PM
All you people are in need of serious medical assistance

Have you only just realised this?  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Mito on August 05, 2015, 10:19:53 PM
It's called Northern Hemispheritis.  :laugh3:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 13, 2015, 09:39:44 PM
Right time for another post on progress. Well not much actually done but huge steps towards the lack of scenery and building work at Geominster. Obviously having too much time I have been reading some posts on Facebook and stumbled across a card and vinyl cutting machine, This I believed would help me with the scratchbuilt scenery needed.

I did some research and thought it had some prospects on my layout, I have tried to assemble various plastic buildings and platform canopies all ending up in the bin. I measured the space available and designed the canopy below. Still in component form but very easy to print and even simpler to cut out. I have nine of these canopies to make, scratchbuilt all by hand seemed daunting.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/thumb_28125.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28125)

The canopy cut out with a class 66 to show comparative size.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/thumb_28126.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28126)


Prototype thin card canopy folded to establish the correct dimensions. The cut out sections will be glazed with clear film, I propose mounting the canopies on two poles hence the spacing settings on the canopy.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/thumb_28127.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28127)


The card still attached to the cutting mat with the canopy separated.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/thumb_28128.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28128)


Shot of the laptop screen ready to get cutting. Makes the prospect of scratchbuilding far less daunting. I fact I am looking forward to making the canopies and giving Geominster a more real look.

I suppose bridges, tunnel entrances, archways etc will come next.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Skyline2uk on August 13, 2015, 09:53:11 PM
Very interesting concept, do you have any photos of the machine itself? Maybe a link to the retailer?

This may be the thing that gets me off my bum to finish buildings my layout....

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 13, 2015, 09:58:28 PM
Very interesting concept, do you have any photos of the machine itself? Maybe a link to the retailer?

This may be the thing that gets me off my bum to finish buildings my layout....

Skyline2uk

It is a fairly simple thing otherwise I would be well stumped called a  Silhouette Portrait, cost me 112. + postage from Create & Craft, my wife being a member got 10% off best price I could find by about 30 quid. Probably saved that making canopies as the dodgy crappy Kestrel ones I messed up and binned and stopped doing any more building because I was useless at plastic gluing.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Skyline2uk on August 13, 2015, 10:01:21 PM
Many thanks, will look into that!

Skyline2uk
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on August 13, 2015, 10:04:25 PM
Clever stuff, George. I look forward to seeing the construction as it develops :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 13, 2015, 10:10:28 PM
An excellent idea, George. I look forward to seeing the results.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 13, 2015, 10:25:10 PM
Thanks Mick & Chris, still experimenting but the cutter will go right down to about 2 or 3mm width for strips, freehand anything, cuts vinyl also so plenty of opportunity to make rude signs for the rear window of the car! No suggestions required thank you. The cutter comes with a stick mat which holds the card or paper very well, the cutter is adjustable in depth and the canopy I cut is 300gsm, I may try plasticard as it says it will cut that also. Really there are no limits for scratchbuilding now, just cut out before or after adding brick paper etc. Also I believe if a photograph is scanned in the n it will cut to that, just need to highlight which parts you want cut out.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 13, 2015, 10:26:55 PM
An excellent idea, George. I look forward to seeing the results.

Saturday I am home alone, who knows what may get made  :D
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Mito on August 13, 2015, 10:28:11 PM
Sounds very useful. For the wish list I think.  :photospleasesign: when you can
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 13, 2015, 10:37:53 PM
Here it is the magic cutter. Very compact works on A4 paper , there are bigger ones with bigger prices. Suits me fine and will save me time, money and temper. Enjoy.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/thumb_28129.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28129)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on August 13, 2015, 10:38:14 PM
An excellent idea, George. I look forward to seeing the results.

Saturday I am home alone

If you make a vinyl stating that for your rear window who knows what might happen :laugh:

Just seen the pic of the article. It comes with a layout attached for 112?! :o
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 13, 2015, 10:42:39 PM
An excellent idea, George. I look forward to seeing the results.

Saturday I am home alone

If you make a vinyl stating that for your rear window who knows what might happen :laugh:














Just seen the pic of the article. It comes with a layout attached for 112?! :o

Oh dear should be more careful .  ;)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 14, 2015, 07:55:06 AM
A$ should be large enough for most purposes in N Scale. It would be very useful for scratchbuilding station and other buildings if you can program it to cut out the spaces for doors and windows in wall sections. You may have the basis for a little home business (pun intended) there, George! I may have to consider buying one of these machines to cut out all the parts for the station buildings I will need to scratchbuild for Cant Cove.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 14, 2015, 08:05:09 AM
A$ should be large enough for most purposes in N Scale. It would be very useful for scratchbuilding station and other buildings if you can program it to cut out the spaces for doors and windows in wall sections. You may have the basis for a little home business (pun intended) there, George! I may have to consider buying one of these machines to cut out all the parts for the station buildings I will need to scratchbuild for Cant Cove.

It really is brilliant Chris, yes it can cut windows my trouble is I now have to learn how to draw with lines and brushes etc, it will magnify and allsorts. I think it is just a matter of getting to grips with using the art software. I think it is well suited to scratchbuild, just make a sketch with dimensions then using rectangle or another predefined shape stretch it and crop till the correct size. No Nobby please don't ...... maybe need to rephrase that.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Marty on August 14, 2015, 11:41:49 AM
Just read through the whole thread from start to finish George and thoroughly enjoyed the journey. The helix was a work of engineering art but I do think your side by side arrangement of the layout and fiddle yard will be a lot easier to operate, stock and control.

Glad to see you coming to grips with the paper cut software, I know that Dorset Mike has had great success with one.

Do you plan to laminate multiple layers of paper into that canopy to provide some rigidity? I feel it might need it, doing so will allow you to sandwich the clear sheet firmly too.

Great work, especially selling off rolling stock, I could never part with anything, but then I don't have much.

Cheers

Marty
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 14, 2015, 11:48:43 AM
Thanks Marty. Not sure yet about laminating the canopy, I will try assembling one later I am using 300gsm card which is fairly stout and then with clear glazing sheet under and a facia each side and two gables my fingers are crossed!

That was a lot of reading and must have taken ages, the helix was good but access to the fiddle yard beneath was dare I say it fiddly, in fact even at the same level I am clumsy enough to derail stock on adjacent lines. So definitely the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Marty on August 14, 2015, 01:49:48 PM
Look forward to seeing how you get on with the canopy as I have a couple to do too. I think you're right though, with the clear panel and barge boards it should be fairly rigid. Might need a truss where the upright joins but you'll work that out as you go along I'm sure.

Came home from work with a head cold so a good read was the way to go!

Cheers

Marty
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: sp1 on August 14, 2015, 02:04:21 PM
Have you thought about using the cutter with the sticky backed vinyl used by signwriters to produce the canopy (read about this on another forum, where it was used to produce windows) - you could then stick this to rigid clear plastic to both glazing and strength?
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on August 14, 2015, 07:42:01 PM
Hi Mr. G.

how are you getting on with the software, I have thought about the plotter as indeed it seems added value for scratch building, but the software holds me off, how are you getting on.

best regards

Maurits
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 14, 2015, 08:09:35 PM
Hi Mr. G.

how are you getting on with the software, I have thought about the plotter as indeed it seems added value for scratch building, but the software holds me off, how are you getting on.

best regards

Maurits


Hi Maurits, I have surprised myself with the software as I can make it work. It has to be simple or else I cannot handle it. I am just designing a couple of retail units to see how they turn out but put simply it all seems to revolve around rectangles, stretched, cropped and moved, copied etc. I have now cut out 9 sets of platform canopies, they were cut out while I was starting on the building. What I have done is made a rough scale sketch of the building using the Peco N Gauge ruler and then measured that off in mm and drawn the outline and windows, roof and door frames to those mm dimensions, just tweak things slightly for appearances. I was dreading do the scenery but now it seems to be enjoyable, in fact if I can do it I know you can, after all you are PC savvy I am not. I will definitely be posting some results tomorrow as I am home alone nearly all day to work on this, watch this space. :-)

Just teaser, this has taken about 20 minutes, still a way to go but this is how I have started it.

In the beginning there was a blank screen and a pc buffoon then .......


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/thumb_28155.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28155)


This was created, after cutting out it will be wrapped in brick paper and the window frames fitted and clear acetate for the glazing, interior lighting and I suppose the likes of shop fittings, home made of course :-)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 15, 2015, 06:58:11 AM
Newly arrived at Geominster, another Class 220 Cross Country Voyager :-)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/thumb_28165.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28165)

Just need to wait until the two 170's stop by to get the photograph of my entire Cross Country fleet.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bealman on August 15, 2015, 07:04:10 AM
Way out of my chosen era, but by heck, they look good sitting together like that!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 15, 2015, 10:07:42 AM
Thanks for the photo., George. They DO look very good together, I also have to admit, despite being way beyond my chosen period. However, those station name signs look like 00 scale ones; they should be half that height.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 15, 2015, 10:14:07 AM
Thanks for the photo., George. They DO look very good together, I also have to admit, despite being way beyond my chosen period. However, those station name signs look like 00 scale ones; they should be half that height.

Thanks for that Chris, they do look way too big. Another job for the cutting machine then, new signage  :-[
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: wookie on August 15, 2015, 08:18:38 PM
They could almost make me start afresh with modern image......no, let's not be silly.....but they do look very cool  8)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 16, 2015, 09:47:46 AM
Thanks for the photo., George. They DO look very good together, I also have to admit, despite being way beyond my chosen period. However, those station name signs look like 00 scale ones; they should be half that height.

Thanks for that Chris, they do look way too big. Another job for the cutting machine then, new signage  :-[

All nameboards removed ready to chop off legs!
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Bealman on August 16, 2015, 09:55:52 AM
That's good. I must admit I never even noticed the signs... the two trains had me thunderstruck!
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: paulprice on August 16, 2015, 10:42:24 PM
looks good
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 20, 2015, 05:31:38 PM
Not had a lot of time this week but a quick update with the cutting machine, I have designed and cut out a pair of retail units as seen here

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/thumb_28331.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28331)


You should be able to view the window frames ready to separate and reapply after using cladding or brick paper to the body of the units, then I will apply a clear glaze acetate sheet to the rear of the window frames. I will then design some shop fittings and lighting will follow.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/thumb_28332.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28332)

Close up showing the small window frames ready to separate.

All looks very promising to me, I also have a lattice design I hope to adapt to a footbridge sometime.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on August 20, 2015, 08:56:10 PM
Not sure you're meant to have put your N gauge ruler through the cutter, George :laugh:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 20, 2015, 09:00:22 PM
 
Not sure you're meant to have put your N gauge ruler through the cutter, George :laugh:

 :doh:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Mito on August 20, 2015, 09:16:41 PM
Looking good. I'm impressed. I'll have to have a word with SWMBO to see if she can have a word with Father Christmas. :heart2:
 :no: I think will be the reply :(
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 27, 2015, 05:42:12 PM
My first attempt at a Retail Unit using the Portrait machine. Scratch built using just card. Iam waiting for the window cleaners to drop by.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/thumb_28505.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28505)

I am still working on the platform canopies which need some small support poles, maybe get them done later this evening.

The Portrait is simply the best for making small items. I have a lattice pattern to try, if it works then I hope to apply it to create a footbridge.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on August 27, 2015, 05:45:55 PM
Excellent work, George. You will be taking commissions soon! 8-)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 27, 2015, 05:47:20 PM
Excellent work, George. You will be taking commissions soon! 8-)

Thanks Chris, I need to keep the windows cleaner  ;)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: wookie on August 27, 2015, 07:55:17 PM
That looks really good George, well done!
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Mito on August 27, 2015, 09:12:31 PM
I'm envious! Very nice indeed. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on August 27, 2015, 09:38:49 PM
Cracking work, George. Please keep us posted with progress on what you can produce using the cutter.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 27, 2015, 09:47:35 PM
Thanks Mick, I am trying to find some lattice but it all seems too small so I am now looking for some concrete or grey primer paper to download for my proposed Footbridge.

The portrait cutter seems excellent at producing very finely cut card. I reckon OO  :veryangry:
would be easy to make stuff.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on August 27, 2015, 09:49:05 PM
You could always drive yourself crazy by cutting some thin strips of card and 'weaving' them yourself :laugh3:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 27, 2015, 10:01:58 PM
You could always drive yourself crazy by cutting some thin strips of card and 'weaving' them yourself :laugh3:

I have cut 2.5mm strips, they form the barge boards on the Retail Units. It isn't going to like much thinner though.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on August 27, 2015, 10:06:24 PM
A great shame as the only other lattice work I've seen is from Plastruct and I don't think they do flat sheets of it.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 27, 2015, 11:12:58 PM
The beginning of the Footbridge, trying to replicate a prefabricated concrete section bridge so this is intended as one side.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/thumb_28508.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28508)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: JasonBz on August 27, 2015, 11:26:33 PM
Thanks Mick, I am trying to find some lattice but it all seems too small so I am now looking for some concrete or grey primer paper to download for my proposed Footbridge.

The portrait cutter seems excellent at producing very finely cut card. I reckon OO  :veryangry:
would be easy to make stuff.

I think that is true
Though what you are achieving here is so very good to see :)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: cornish yorkie on August 28, 2015, 12:03:44 AM
Hi George, well done so far all looking good.  :greatpicturessign:
regards Derek.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 29, 2015, 05:46:11 AM
The latest arrival at Geominster to add to the stable of Class 60's already running.



(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/19/thumb_28517.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28517)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: porkie on August 29, 2015, 08:57:59 PM
Hi George, loving the layout build.

That class 60 looks very familiar
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on August 29, 2015, 10:20:45 PM
Hi George, loving the layout build.

That class 60 looks very familiar

 ;) Probably the scenery giving it all away Phil,  hopefully it won't be long before it enters Geominster TMD for a routine lube and a chip fitted!
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 02, 2015, 05:47:47 PM
Just received my latest purchase a beauty - N Gauge Class 60 Corus Livery, thought it had sound fitted when I put power to the track but after a couple of laps on the roundy roundy DC track it quietened down and runs very smoothly,

Photo later, thank you Phil.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 02, 2015, 08:38:28 PM
Oh I do like the  Class 60's, this one has just arrived at Geominster and having a test run before going To Kevin at Coastal DCC for surgery fitting DCC Chip.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/18/thumb_28652.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28652)

Corus Class 60 stops by at the as yet unamed new Terminus with the Platform Canopies scratchbuilt from card.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 08, 2015, 08:33:14 PM
A little progress this evening.

The first attempt cutting vinyl strips for platform edging using the Silhouette Cutter, down to 1.7mm is about as fine as I can go.

The Platform Canopies are nearly complete and I think I will colour the facia board with a vinyl to add contrast, the templates for the canopies is saved so reproducing facia boards in colour vinyl should be simple.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/18/thumb_28839.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28839)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/18/thumb_28840.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=28840)

The more I use Silhouette the more possibilities I discover.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on September 08, 2015, 09:16:19 PM
That platform edging looks fine to me, George :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 08, 2015, 09:28:03 PM
Very nice work, George. I really am getting quite jealous of your machine and your skill with using it.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 08, 2015, 09:37:14 PM
That platform edging looks fine to me, George :thumbsup:

Thanks Mick, I will probably redo the white edging because the brick paper rolls onto the platform rather crudely but is well stuck down, but I now have the the thin lines in vinyl cut to order to make a better finish.

Is that the correct lining for modern platforms? White edge and yellow safety line?

Are you off to Tings on Saturday? :NGaugersRule:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on September 09, 2015, 08:14:56 PM
That platform edging looks fine to me, George :thumbsup:

Thanks Mick, I will probably redo the white edging because the brick paper rolls onto the platform rather crudely but is well stuck down, but I now have the the thin lines in vinyl cut to order to make a better finish.

Is that the correct lining for modern platforms? White edge and yellow safety line?

Are you off to Tings on Saturday? :NGaugersRule:

All the photos/prototypes I've seen have white edges and yellow safety lines, George, although I'm unsure as to the width/distance from the platform edge of the yellow lines. I'm sure there is a standard somewhere for that, though.
Sorry, but I won't be at TINGS this year :(
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 09, 2015, 08:23:59 PM
That platform edging looks fine to me, George :thumbsup:

Thanks Mick, I will probably redo the white edging because the brick paper rolls onto the platform rather crudely but is well stuck down, but I now have the the thin lines in vinyl cut to order to make a better finish.

Is that the correct lining for modern platforms? White edge and yellow safety line?

Are you off to Tings on Saturday? :NGaugersRule:

All the photos/prototypes I've seen have white edges and yellow safety lines, George, although I'm unsure as to the width/distance from the platform edge of the yellow lines. I'm sure there is a standard somewhere for that, though.
Sorry, but I won't be at TINGS this year :(

Thanks Mick, Before I fit anymore lines I will do some research and look round at Tings.

All the vinyls are cut ready, will try bus stop and disabled bays soon.

Shame you are not at Tings as I wont be able to buy you a drink.  :D
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 09, 2015, 08:26:14 PM
The Corus Class 60 is on its way back after surgery to be DCC fitted, only posted it Monday afternoon, was fitted yesterday and should be here tomorrow.

Ace service from Kevin again. Thanks .
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 13, 2015, 06:53:05 AM
After a lot of consideration I have decided not to continue with the present layout of Geominster, my ideals have changed since I began this project and I have learned so much form the Forum, Facebook and of course experience.

I am going to start again and design and build a layout rather than a train set, the ride has been great but I now have many ideas I can put into practice and move Geominster forward.

Obviously there will be a lot of research into the planning, I do not want a prototypical design but something with sweeping curved lines through countryside, a part concealed station that does not take over the whole layout space, a dedicated Heritage Preservation Yard area due to my tendencies towards Steam which have evolved and a lot more hills, slopes valleys than at present. I hope to have two boards each approximately 2200mm x 750mm but I am undecided on joining them end to end or turning the corner with one of them.

One question I would ask all of you who have supported the present project would it be best to start a new thread for this venture or continue from here?

Decisions decisions.....  this is  dramatic step for me, I recall when others have decided to start again, Maurits in particular I thought was very bold but proof that from the experience previously gained a greater project can evolve.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 13, 2015, 07:08:57 AM
I congratulate you on your willingness to start over again to achieve a layout that you'e fully satisfied with. If you want sweeping curved lines, joining the two baseboards corner to corner rather than end to end would, probably, be easier.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Jack on September 13, 2015, 07:25:14 AM
Thanks for the ride that has been Geominister. I've watched from the side lines from the beginning and have enjoyed watching it grow. I wish my first attempts were as good, I wouldn't be on my fourth (I think  :-[  ) fresh start.

In answer to your question, I would be inclined to start a new thread because the next layout wouldn't be " your first time layout by a complete novice"   ;D.

New beginning, new layout, looking forward to it.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Jimmy77 on September 13, 2015, 07:48:52 AM
Good luck with the new project! Must be hard to make the decision to start again, but now you can implement your new ideas into a great layout. I'd also say start a new thread, as Jack says you aren't a novice anymore!
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Mito on September 13, 2015, 09:24:29 PM
If you are not happy with it then a change will only be for the better. Good luck and I look forward to see the new improved version! Make it L shaped. I think it makes for a more interesting layout.
Start a new thread when you are ready but let us know through this thread. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 16, 2015, 07:10:14 PM
Having had a few days to deliberate over what and how to do with Geominster I have come to the conclusion that a lot of the layout is good and works well. So I have decided to use the Fiddle Yard area as a new scenic board and purchase one of the Nelevation vertical storage units which will let me admire my locomotive stock as well as access it all easily and sheltering it from any dust.

I have concluded that there is too much track on the original layout and I have therefore set out to reduce some of it creating a more spacious feel. During the construction and use of Geominster several issues have come to my attention so these will be addressed in the revamp. The main reverse loop will be extended to allow longer trains, the complication of running roundy roundy trains will be remedied by changing some of the mainline track by the station area, a dedicated Heritage Line will be created as my tendencies towards Steam has increased along with the stock during the build.

There will be a change in the actual hidden sections mainly to ensure that only curved rails are enclosed lessening any trouble out of easy access, the climb to the top level of the original layout will transfer to the scenic section and be more gradual, the wall supporting the track will have open arches so that errant locomotives can be retrieved without the use of a push stick and cleaning the track should be far easier.

All the signals will in turn be changed to a more real scale and more lighting will be created with some additional building lights, emergency vehicles illuminated, some tall car park lighting, etc etc.

That is about as far as I have reached so this is the plan and as I am not rebuilding the layout I will continue this thread, perhaps someone could tell me how to access the Thread Title to update it as i have progressed somewhat from the Newbie in the title.  :D


This is the first edition of the alterations, subject to alterations without notice! I intend introducing some soft curved tracks to the scenic section and the tracks will be more parallel than I can draw with Anyrail. The lines at the rear will accommodate the new Nelevator when it is available to save too much further disruption.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29410.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29410)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 16, 2015, 08:21:58 PM
Your new plans for your layout make a lot of sense to me, George. The track plan looks pretty complex but full of operational interest.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 16, 2015, 08:35:13 PM
Your new plans for your layout make a lot of sense to me, George. The track plan looks pretty complex but full of operational interest.

Thanks Chris, it is difficult to interpret particularly different levels, but I have taken out and tidied a lot of track, and by adding some change of relief on the right hand board I hope to show a transition from town to country.

Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Mito on September 16, 2015, 09:11:32 PM
I await with bated breath the "Phoenix railway"! :) On a serious note remember that reversing sections cause elektrickery problems in DC, DCC problems can be solved with elektronickery.
Looks good. Photos when you can.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 16, 2015, 09:12:08 PM
Thanks for the clarification, George. Sounds very good to me. I look forward to seeing it develop.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 16, 2015, 09:15:19 PM
I await with bated breath the "Phoenix railway"! :) On a serious note remember that reversing sections cause elektrickery problems in DC, DCC problems can be solved with elektronickery.
Looks good. Photos when you can.
o

Yes there are two RLM currently on Geominster and work fine thanks.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: lil chris on September 16, 2015, 10:10:30 PM
A brave move George to start again, I have done the same. I was having too many failed running sessions and decided to make things easier to work on and get too, no steep gradient for a start. Good luck with your new build, it can be a steep learning curve making a good layout. By the way I kept my fiddle yard too like you but I have started a new thread too for a new layout.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: wookie on September 16, 2015, 10:40:03 PM
So I have decided to use the Fiddle Yard area as a new scenic board and purchase one of the Nelevation vertical storage units which will let me admire my locomotive stock as well as access it all easily and sheltering it from any dust.

I took a good look at the one on display at TINGS. Very interesting! Also sadly very expensive!
I watched people struggling with long cassettes, and must admit that the lift system is superb and so much better.
I'd love one, but as mine is destined to be an exhibition layout eventually, I don't think the Nelevation would travel that well.....
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on September 17, 2015, 02:19:04 AM
I wish you all success with the new layout, George. May it prove to be a happy journey for you :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 22, 2015, 08:12:02 PM
Another change of plan ....

I have finally decided to alter some of the track on Geominster and move some of the track covered areas to expose a couple of inaccessible parts of the layout. In modifying the plan I have allowed an access track to the Nelevator storage/display unit that I will be purchasing. The result is a slightly larger layout but with the fiddle yard no longer needed space saved in my train room.

The plan, subject to revision of course as work progresses.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29621.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29621)

The bulldozers have moved in .... well me and a chisel and screwdriver!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29618.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29618)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29619.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29619)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29620.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29620)






Some of the track changes implemented and a work in progress.

Hopefully all will be running again shortly then serious scenery can begin.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 22, 2015, 08:25:38 PM
Good to see progress well under way, George. Don't rush into the new track plan though; give yourself time and opportunity to adjust it as required.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Mito on September 22, 2015, 09:38:06 PM
What a disaster area :o
Looking forward to the changes :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on September 22, 2015, 09:40:37 PM
That last pic looks like you've had a tornado in your mancave, George :goggleeyes:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: port perran on September 22, 2015, 09:43:22 PM
The last pic looks like the innards are now on the outside !
Good luck with the new design.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 22, 2015, 09:47:38 PM
That last pic looks like you've had a tornado in your mancave, George :goggleeyes:

I have Mick and not a GF one.  :-[
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on September 22, 2015, 10:00:29 PM
That last pic looks like you've had a tornado in your mancave, George :goggleeyes:

I have Mick and not a GF one.  :-[

Oh well - the latest named 'Tornado' (as opposed to Britannia 70022) was built from a kit of German parts so maybe there is a precedent ;)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: wookie on September 23, 2015, 06:41:48 PM
I think some clot has dropped a plate of spaghetti on your layout George  :o
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 23, 2015, 06:47:15 PM
 :searchingsign:
I think some clot has dropped a plate of spaghetti on your layout George  :o

It does look like that Wookie, fortunately it was hidden beneath a road and hill, it does all prode the connections for the lighting, it will be tidied, slightly and buried again beneath a hill! Some more photos later ...
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 23, 2015, 08:31:41 PM
Not a lot has been achieved today except I found the solution to altering the wiring to connect the new track changes at Geominster. As many will know when I built the layout I also made a trestle/stand arrangement allowing me to rotate the board to work on the top or underside. The trestle has been recycled elsewhere since then so I had a rethink and decided to use two 18mm chipboard panels left from somewhere, Geominster normally sits on three chest of drawers so I decided to temporarily clamp one board each end to the drawer units and then I added a timber cross member at the top of the chipboard to provide a good strong support for the bolt at each end that allows the layout board to pivot from top to underside.
The timber battens have been clamped in place ready to lift Geominster into position and align the original bolt holes through the new end supports. I have deliberately made the supports high to allow for the extra width I will be adding to the rear of the layout in order to fit the new Nelevator Display Unit & Fiddle Yard combo which will then clear the drawers when rotating.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29640.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29640)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29641.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29641)


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29642.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29642)

I hope this is clear and I will report success or failure shortly,
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on September 23, 2015, 08:51:19 PM
I hope that it all works out according to your plans, George.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Mito on September 23, 2015, 09:24:55 PM

I hope this is clear and I will report success or failure shortly,

I think it is :hmmm:. Looking forward to the success report :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 24, 2015, 03:13:04 PM

I hope this is clear and I will report success or failure shortly,

I think it is :hmmm:. Looking forward to the success report :thumbsup:

The invertion of the layout makes things so easy to access.

Just this minute finished removing all the old unwanted dropper wires and connecting all the new ones in and success is the word! Class 20 was sent round to test the track and returned unscathed, a few intermittent spots which I think are dirty track or wheels or both but power is everywhere as I wanted. Next up is to attend to some of the old point motors removed and to be refitted into the new track layout. Hoping to use the same DCC codes on them.

So far so good. :laughabovepost:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on September 24, 2015, 03:41:43 PM
Nice one, George. 'Went the day well?' - Yep :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 24, 2015, 06:13:36 PM
Nice one, George. 'Went the day well?' - Yep :thumbsup:

Indeed it did Mick, just hope the moving of points to new positions also works out as I do not want to lose track of which dcc operates which point.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 24, 2015, 07:48:51 PM
The underside currently being worked on, removing unwanted signals and redundant dropper wires and attaching new to the relocated tracks, the new RLM wired in and working. Just need to alter the point motors and refit under the newly placed points.
There is some more track laying to be done to continue the track to the back of the layout ready for the extension and Nelevator. Hopefully I can commence this is the next couple of days and then give the track a good clean and test everything works and amend the Layout Plan on Hornby Railmaster and test everything is correct.
Next up will be some scenery but I need to strap the wiring and tidy things slightly.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29659.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29659)


So pleased I turned the layout over as it makes life so simple to do the wiring etc.


 A bargain arrived today, Dapol Western Firebrand brand new form Invicta 74.00. inc postage. Will be run in and converted to DCC tomorrow, looks very nice and will complement Western Enterprise.


(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/17/thumb_29660.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=29660)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Mito on September 24, 2015, 09:10:18 PM
Now I understand! I'm glad all was successful. That's a nice bargain.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: lil chris on September 24, 2015, 10:54:57 PM
Looks a lot easier to work on the my old layout that is why I scrapped mine and started again sick of lying on my back, too old for that. Having deep sides helps too gives you more room for the wiring and boards etc. Its a clever idea you have done a bit above my skills though.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 24, 2015, 11:00:40 PM
Looks a lot easier to work on the my old layout that is why I scrapped mine and started again sick of lying on my back, too old for that. Having deep sides helps too gives you more room for the wiring and boards etc. Its a clever idea you have done a bit above my skills though.

Surely not Chris, but anything is better than laying inverted turtle fashion under a layout. Gravity paying it's part means continually having to grovel for dropped items is a thing of the past the Geominster Way.  :claphappy:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: cornish yorkie on September 25, 2015, 10:51:01 AM
    :hellosign:    :greatpicturessign:  good to see all coming along nicely, a real inspiration to kick me in to making a start on my layout,  :thankyousign:
 regards Derek.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on September 25, 2015, 11:33:32 AM
    :hellosign:    :greatpicturessign:  good to see all coming along nicely, a real inspiration to kick me in to making a start on my layout,  :thankyousign:
 regards Derek.

Come on then Derek, take the plunge! Once started you will be fine.

George
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on October 18, 2015, 03:16:23 PM
Been a few weeks since an update and such a lot has happened. The decision to rearrange Geominster and rebuild some of it was quite drastic and taken quite a lot of sorting, new tracks laid and a general tidying of the layout, stripped of most of the part finished scenery and it is now back to the bare essentials. All the points and the Railmaster schematic controlling them works and additional track fitted to access the Nelevator when it becomes available. I still need to enlarge the baseboard slightly to provide access from the right hand side. The schematic shows the idea of how it will end but since then there have been a few minor alterations. The old signals are to be removed and replaced with better realistic scale items operated when points change.

Geominster Railmaster Operating Panel
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30527.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30527)

Left side of Geominster stripped ready for rebuilding
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30523.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30523)

Right side of Geominster stripped ready to add extra baseboard extension and then new tracks to the rear and also high level Terminus to be added.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30524.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30524)

The Anyrail plan
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30522.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30522)

To be continued....
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 18, 2015, 03:21:05 PM
Looks very promising, George.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on October 18, 2015, 03:52:17 PM
Fascinating stuff, George. Please keep us posted on your progress.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on October 18, 2015, 04:11:41 PM
Now with my tail up and everything sorted it is a bit like a new build, the hardest thing Mick was the decision to undo so much and start again, then there were issues with point DCC codes that managed to screw things up so it got left while I deliberated the best way forward. Pleased with it and now raring to go again.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: wookie on October 19, 2015, 06:53:22 PM
You're a braver man than I  :D
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on October 19, 2015, 09:09:36 PM
You're a braver man than I  :D

Poor Gunga Din missed out on a mention, there ;)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on October 21, 2015, 05:45:06 PM
Only managed a couple of hours recently on this but progressing well, Geominster is back to it's original working level and the first new baseboard fitted with the PC drawer in place, the remaining two pieces of baseboard are cut ready to fit across the rear section and a little more bracing and an upper track continued across will make it all look like the proposed drawing.

Right hand extension awaiting cream facias to be fitted but slide out pc shelf working.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30684.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30684)

Front view showing the proposed extended upper level to got across onto near right hand section and provide a terminus on top of an embankment.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30685.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30685)
Showing the rear view prior to extra baseboard sections in place, these will provide access to Nelevator in due course.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30686.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30686)

The out of scale signals have been dismantled and transported to bin.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on October 21, 2015, 07:55:24 PM
Thanks for the update photos., George. It's looking good.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on October 21, 2015, 08:05:34 PM
Thanks Chris, I can start from here now and all at the right level so I can drop all power feeds through then when ready spin the whole lot over again. I must concentrate on the hills and terrain which will encourage me to progress. Ther is not a lot of track to lay now. I have listed the entire contents of the fiddle yard on Ebay so that should fund the signalling etc.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on October 21, 2015, 08:43:00 PM
Good to see the extra progress, George :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on October 22, 2015, 08:20:58 PM
wow George, you have done a few brave things
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on October 22, 2015, 09:42:50 PM
wow George, you have done a few brave things

Thanks Maurits, stupid things more like  :-[
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 13, 2015, 03:37:08 PM
Finally come to a decision that Geominster would be better reborn. It has been a long journey but a new Layout has been planned and now the time has come to dismantle and recycle as many items as possible for the new journey.
Thanks for all your help and support and I will be starting another thread shortly.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/11/thumb_32885.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=32885)
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Chris in Prague on December 13, 2015, 04:03:19 PM
Thanks for the update, George. I have enjoyed watching your progress with Geominster but I am sure that your new layout will be even better with all that you have learned. I look forward to watching your progress with the new layout.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 13, 2015, 04:05:13 PM
Thanks Chris the new one will be much better and less train set!
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Newportnobby on December 13, 2015, 04:26:42 PM
I admire your decision, George, especially after all the work you put into Geominster, but am sure the next one will be even better.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 13, 2015, 04:32:48 PM
Thanks Mick I will try and make it much better
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Mito on December 13, 2015, 08:29:56 PM
Good luck with the new layout. I look forward to seeing photos.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: port perran on December 13, 2015, 08:45:56 PM
Very much looking forward to following progress with the new layout.
Good luck with it.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: lil chris on December 13, 2015, 09:05:40 PM
Best of luck with your new layout George, I have done the same so I know what it is like to make the decision to start again. Hope like me you have learned from your mistakes.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: Maurits71 on December 13, 2015, 09:21:20 PM
oei, that one moment where you make the decision. Think not a bad one as you wasn't overall happy anyway. what's the next one going to be ?
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 13, 2015, 09:24:21 PM
Thanks Chris, a very hard decision to make but I believe I have learnt from my mistakes and will create a layout to be proud of, it was almost a relief to make the decision to start again.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: georgehgv on December 13, 2015, 09:26:49 PM
oei, that one moment where you make the decision. Think not a bad one as you wasn't overall happy anyway. what's the next one going to be ?

Better  :D

Hi Maurits a few too many issues previously that have taught me to avoid.

Take a look at the link below, in my signature I have put a pdf plan there.
Title: Re: Geominster a first time Layout by a complete novice
Post by: cornish yorkie on December 14, 2015, 09:57:47 PM
 :hellosign: George I thought Geominster was good so the next one will be brilliant. Best of luck & am looking forward to developments.
regards Derek.
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