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Title: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on December 17, 2013, 09:45:33 AM
I'm proud to announce the NGF and 3DR's newest project, the 75 ton Cowans Sheldon Crane.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_8863.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8863)
I was sent the picture, so apologies if it's copyrighted.


I have seen many requests for the model on here and on facebook.  Here are some pictures of what has been created so far.



Match Truck:-
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_8857.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8857)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_8858.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8858)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_8859.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8859)


Relieving Truck:-
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_8860.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8860)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_8861.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8861)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_8862.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8862)


Prices are currently unknown until the project nears completion.

Comments are welcome!  :)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: scotsoft on December 17, 2013, 09:50:40 AM
That is a bit of a beast  ;)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: AndyGif on December 17, 2013, 10:22:43 AM
Nice one Tank, i saw your comment to MIM about his proposed C&S and have been waiting for it to break cover on here ever since.

2 please.......

And thanks I can cross this one of the the to-do list and go back to  trying to make a nuclear flask wagon (Flatrol MJ, 6 axle) and a seperatable flask. And my latest 3d pipe dream a 144/148 scale Krupp D311 Doppellok to fit in with Dora and Leopold.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: AndyGif on December 17, 2013, 10:34:41 AM
looks like you've got it set up for the old style T bar couplings, any chance these can be ditched in favor of NEM style ones, or is this a case of hack 'em off and fit Dapol pockets later yourself?
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on December 17, 2013, 10:58:29 AM
I'll speak with the boys.  :)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Only Me on December 17, 2013, 11:12:01 AM
could you do one of these Tank ?

Ransome and Rapier 45 ton steam crane, 4 axle chassis, 2x2 axle outrider, 15' match wagon

Picture removed due to copyright reasons
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: AndyGif on December 17, 2013, 11:22:16 AM
could you do one of these Tank ?

Ransome and Rapier 45 ton steam crane, 4 axle chassis, 2x2 axle outrider, 15' match wagon



this is probably going to come along not too far into the future from CRS, it was the last stretch goal, one of many that didnt achieve funding on this first round of kickstarter'ing.
http://www.countyrollingstock.co.uk/stretch-goals/4580585679 (http://www.countyrollingstock.co.uk/stretch-goals/4580585679)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on December 17, 2013, 11:41:12 AM
I very much doubt it Only Me because of CRS's interest in doing it.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: captainelectra on December 17, 2013, 12:56:04 PM
Good stuff! Let me know if you would like me to do some matching Mk1 Breakdown coach vinyls to accompany the crane.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: zwilnik on December 17, 2013, 01:01:06 PM
Ooh nice! that would be a fun one :)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Newportnobby on December 17, 2013, 01:25:25 PM
Looks like a great project, Chris :thumbsup:
Can some kind soul inform me when these ran in service please?
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: AndyGif on December 17, 2013, 01:31:51 PM
http://www.bdca.org.uk/ (http://www.bdca.org.uk/)  fill yer boots NNN
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on December 17, 2013, 01:33:38 PM
They were built from the 1960's and all ten were originally steam powered.  They were then converted to diesel-hydraulic power between '76 and '78. 
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on December 17, 2013, 01:34:21 PM
Hi Guys

Vinyl's for matching coaches - Anything that helps or matches the project has to be a good thing.

NEM - no plans yet but...
1) Should be possible to do a flat surface to glue "whatever your using" to
2) if you have a specific coupler in mind send in a link - maybe possible to assist with the mounting in some way.

Yes its big and after recent bigger wagons (KUA flask) printing this in FUD this is going to cost a right packet. Whatever is sensible will be done in etch.

Also due to the size & complexity of this it may take a while but updates will be posted as soon as practical.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: red_death on December 17, 2013, 02:35:41 PM
To add to Tank's post, nearly all of them lasted until early-mid 90s (when quite a few were scrapped).  About half of them were kept on to late 90s (possibly even early 00s) and many ended up in preservation.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: porkie on December 17, 2013, 08:39:49 PM
Oooooooh.
Now I deffo want one of these for my depot layout.
Look forward to the updates. Qnd better start saving up
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: CarriageShed on December 17, 2013, 11:44:52 PM
Pre-war steam fans say :(
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: red_death on December 18, 2013, 12:04:32 AM
The following link might be useful (drawings of the steam variant) if you don't already have them:
http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/BRWRCranesSHFeb1972Issue.pdf (http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/BRWRCranesSHFeb1972Issue.pdf)

There is also an un-dimensioned drawing in the RAIB report into the Greenford derailment of 96702.

The RAIB report also confirms that these cranes were running to at least 2006.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: red_death on December 18, 2013, 12:06:46 AM
And the diesel hydraulic conversion diagram:

http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/index.php/Miscellaneous-Images/CS-76T-Conversion-Diagram (http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/index.php/Miscellaneous-Images/CS-76T-Conversion-Diagram)

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: 47033 on December 18, 2013, 04:16:10 AM
Oh yes please. Put me down for one of these.......
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on December 18, 2013, 09:22:07 AM
Cheers, Mike

Many thanks Mike, that's great.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on December 18, 2013, 01:39:20 PM
Hi Guys,

To assist David in getting the details right - is there a definitive/simple way to spot the diesel conversion compared to the steam powered version?

We could provide both the diesel and steam options in the model, but only on a general superficial level. For example, like the tank on the Match Truck I can provide the chimney as an add on and some grills might be options on the etch. To get it right though would need pictures of the steam and diesel versions for comparison of the changes. I assume all the later pictures of yellow cranes are diesel, while the odd maroon crane might be an older steam picture. Difficult to tell unless you know the beast as some maybe preserved in their original colours. You know me, the more info I have the better the results.

Can you help?

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: red_death on December 18, 2013, 02:27:45 PM
The obvious answer is that the steam originals had a chimney which folded behind the cab which was removed after conversion to diesel. Not sure what other changes were made.

If it helps when the NGS looked at the feasibility of doing it the split of demand for diesel/steam was about 50:50.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Wild Boar Fell on December 18, 2013, 11:33:21 PM
Hello,
The crane is certainly looking impressive!
I have uploaded these photos of the Cowans crane at Loughborough MPD (The one shown in the OP), one side of the crane is pretty accessible at the back of the sheds. So if details or dimensions are needed that may be a good port of call.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/wild_boar_fell_railways/sets/72157638806326736/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/wild_boar_fell_railways/sets/72157638806326736/)
Best Regards,
Matthew
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on December 19, 2013, 09:58:23 AM
Very clear pictures Matthew, thank you for sharing them. :camera:
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on December 20, 2013, 08:48:03 AM
Hi Guys

Matthew - Excellent photos thank you! that's probably sufficient for the diesel version.

All we need now is...
"to dig up some steam powered pictures. Any will help if they want one for an earlier era". particularly of the area of difference to the diesel version.

Regards
Russ

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: AndyGif on December 20, 2013, 09:29:10 AM
There might be a useful steam era general assembly diagram here, in this guys mecano build
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1nj0RTP5ZsE5euAsIT95yY6FnXiQf9i99LydAS4Z35pw/edit?pli=1#slide=id.p17

And from the BDCA orgs galleries:
A couple of steam powered era photos of  ADRC96701 and ADRC96703. Alas neither pic is in the working config.

For the dieseled version
There's a good diagram in the misc section, of the general assembly of conversion, think its the same as BRB books.

And for the rivet counters check out ADRC96709's gallery for Dent, you get a good view of the underside of it. oops

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Wild Boar Fell on December 20, 2013, 04:36:40 PM
Hello,
Not sure if you know about it already, but Peter Tatlow's superb second book on breakdown cranes covers both pre and post conversion 75/76t cranes as well as the original diesel builds, with drawings (To 4mm scale) of all of those variants with a fair few photos of each, including a view looking at the crab with the roof raised.
Might be worth tracking down a copy, I certainly found it useful.
Regards,
Matthew
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Shaun Harvey on December 21, 2013, 07:19:34 PM
Hello,
Not sure if you know about it already, but Peter Tatlow's superb second book on breakdown cranes covers both pre and post conversion 75/76t cranes as well as the original diesel builds, with drawings (To 4mm scale) of all of those variants with a fair few photos of each, including a view looking at the crab with the roof raised.
Might be worth tracking down a copy, I certainly found it useful.
Regards,
Matthew

If I'm not mistaken, some of the resources I proved for this project were by Peter Tatlow whose work is really good. I can wait to see the whole thing nod would love to know what the final price will be.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: AndyGif on December 22, 2013, 09:08:19 AM
Found this picture of C&S cranes on the job in 1974.
http://www.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/1970off-the-rails1_WEB.jpg (http://www.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/1970off-the-rails1_WEB.jpg) there are a few more on geograph.
This derailment is in my home town and I was taken to watch them but it back on the tracks, it was very exciting watching all the action as a 6 year old
This scene is the whole reason why I've wanted a pair of these cranes  in N for ages.
The main reason I've posted it as its the first colour photo I've seen where the chimney is just visible in the working position.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: AndyGif on December 22, 2013, 09:18:41 AM
Having checked the pic again blown up, what I thought was the chimney is a column of steam/smoke, the extension piece is still stowed on the back of the control cab.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Railwaygun on December 22, 2013, 11:35:50 PM
. And my latest 3d pipe dream a 144/148 scale Krupp D311 Doppellok to fit in wuith Dora and Leopold.
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What will you use for the chassis? Roco V-188?
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: AndyGif on December 22, 2013, 11:44:41 PM
. And my latest 3d pipe dream a 144/148 scale Krupp D311 Doppellok to fit in wuith Dora and Leopold.

What will you use for the chassis? Roco V-188?
[/quote]
Not hijack the thread I'll keep it short, yes sort off.
Found a gutted one from italian ebay, as not planning to make it work. This one is just a reference model.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on December 31, 2013, 10:34:02 AM
Hi Guys

quick update.....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/52/thumb_9129.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=9129)

Regards

Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on December 31, 2013, 10:37:50 AM
Wow! Look at that detailing!
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: EtchedPixels on December 31, 2013, 02:26:39 PM
Looks absolutely rivetting ...

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Richard G Dallimore on December 31, 2013, 03:32:37 PM
Looking good, interesting to see how this turns out.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Shaun Harvey on December 31, 2013, 04:35:31 PM
WOW I just can't wait to see the full set. This really will be a masterpiece and make the other manufacturers sit up and take notice!

I'll have mine in yellow please.

If you could make a start on the support coach shells too to fit a mk 1 chassis that would be great. Not that I'm asking too much!!!!!!
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on December 31, 2013, 04:48:49 PM
ERG do the graphics for those already.  ;)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on December 31, 2013, 05:39:13 PM
I do like to hear that - finally something I dont have to chase the decals for.

Happy new yeaer to all following this thread.

Regards
Russ

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Shaun Harvey on January 04, 2014, 10:55:29 PM
I already have two support coaches waiting.....one was an old one piece gf coach shell with recessed doors cut in. This was then sanded, primed and sprayed holts aa yellow. Another coach a mk I break was a new one dismantled and sprayed yellow too. Both were then detailed by adding railtec transfers I think...coach chevrons. I can't wait for a new Crane to go withthese,  the gem one is too heavy.

Shaun

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Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on January 05, 2014, 10:32:57 AM
Very good looking coaches Shaun.  :)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Smiffy on January 07, 2014, 09:37:08 AM
Hi,

Can I ask which support coaches these ran with around the end of their lives 2006?   Would it have been the Super Guvs with the staff coach or still the earlier vehicles?

Thanks

Iain
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Smiffy on January 08, 2014, 10:50:50 AM
Looks like I'll have to apply "Rule 1".

As far as I can tell the super guvs turned yellow in 2009 so unfortunately a gap.

Shame there's little similarity in parts between the 1960 CS 75 ton train and the 1970's CS 75 tonne cranes like ADRC 96715 that are still being used.

Regards

Iain
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on January 27, 2014, 09:22:09 AM
Update from David...with an info request in bold

These are just the crane body.
 
One is the steam version which is nearly done now. I could do with some info on the interior of the footplate area in the cab so I could add some firebox detail and where the coal hole is and so on. I don't want to over do it, but I am intending to add some operating levers on the etch. The steam cab is more open so some detail might be more visible, especially with the jib and roof raised.
 
The other image is of the diesel version which is following on. This is pretty straight forward as the cab is enclosed. I just need to add the motors and all the rest of it on each side. I have enough pictures for this.
 
The two versions are basically the same internally with the bits on the outside changed. I intend to put the winding drums on a sprue when I am done but they are shown in place for now. There will also be quite a few pulley wheels for the derricking on the sprue as well.
 
I have provided through holes in the crane sides for mounting the winding drums, jib and derrick to the body. I haven't included any shafts, assuming people can provide their own in wire. The derricks and the roof will all be on an etch which I will do at the end. I am hoping to include some window frames for the diesel cab as well as the levers for the steam cab. I will also add the crane hooks and bits and bobs like that to the etch.

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Let me know if you think of anything I might have missed. Its coming along.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on January 27, 2014, 09:32:01 AM
What, no wheels?!?!  :D

It's coming on very well.  Let's hope that we get the information that is needed.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Chinahand on January 27, 2014, 09:39:59 AM
That's really looking good Russ and I'm positively drooling at the possibility of having one on my layout.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on January 27, 2014, 09:56:29 AM
Hi Guys

You want wheels.....?  :doh:

Iv got the test chassis here in SLS - they look perfectly fine to me but its designed for & will be available in FUD too.

Regards
Russ



Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: AndyGif on January 27, 2014, 10:02:02 AM
looks amazing so far, half expecting you to say you got the rope sheaves working.....
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Newportnobby on January 27, 2014, 10:31:47 AM
Very impressed with the fine detail you've achieved, Russ :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Ben A on January 27, 2014, 11:38:05 AM

Hi Russ,

That's looking very good indeed!  Great job!

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: davieb on January 27, 2014, 11:41:28 AM
Looking forward to seeing the finished model  8)

dave  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: talisman56 on January 27, 2014, 02:13:48 PM
Not one for those 'south of the Thames', looking at the details on the Breakdown Crane site... We didn't warrant 75ton lifting capability, obviously.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Buzzard on January 27, 2014, 02:53:31 PM
Not one for those 'south of the Thames', looking at the details on the Breakdown Crane site... We didn't warrant 75ton lifting capability, obviously.


I'm not an expert on cranes but here's a link to a large one being used to clear up a derailment in South London.  If the text is to be believed then there was a large capacity crane based south of the Thames.

http://www.kentrail.org.uk/hither_green_coal_train_disaster_2.htm (http://www.kentrail.org.uk/hither_green_coal_train_disaster_2.htm)

Nigel
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on January 27, 2014, 04:53:56 PM
That's our girl!!!! :)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: talisman56 on January 27, 2014, 05:24:18 PM
Ah-ha! Would help if I just searched for 'breakdown crane'  :doh: - it appears that the two 75T cranes based on BR(SR) were diesel-mechanical, not steam. There were two 30T DM cranes, too...

This page

http://www.bdca.org.uk/twilight.html (http://www.bdca.org.uk/twilight.html)

says that the batch of 75T cranes numbered 12, 10 steam and 2 Diesel-mechanical for the SR.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on January 27, 2014, 07:13:27 PM

Iv got the test chassis here in SLS - they look perfectly fine to me but its designed for & will be available in FUD too.

Regards
Russ


Russ,

If you're going to the Yate show on Saturday http://www.sodburyvalemrc.co.uk/_mgxroot/page_10786.html (http://www.sodburyvalemrc.co.uk/_mgxroot/page_10786.html) , I'll be there on HHC with Mirrlees and free_debt_man, so feel free to bring the test bits along for our perusal  ;) ;)

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on January 27, 2014, 08:07:00 PM
Hi Neal

Sadly not going to Yate - Day shifts both days.

Meanwhile.....on the test track Cowans chassis have completed several circuits with no issues! Will obviously need further trials over complex point work etc and there are a few issues to tweak.

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Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Newportnobby on January 27, 2014, 08:36:27 PM
Looks smashing, Russ, especially the gargoyle faces on the bogies :D
I'm definitely up for one of these :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: daveg on January 27, 2014, 09:48:32 PM
Not one for those 'south of the Thames', looking at the details on the Breakdown Crane site... We didn't warrant 75ton lifting capability, obviously.

I don't care!

Rule 1 will be firmly applied!  :D

Dave G
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: mk1gtstu on January 27, 2014, 10:09:06 PM
I like it! :thumbsup: looking good so far!

cheers, Stu. :)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on January 27, 2014, 10:15:48 PM
Hi Neal

Sadly not going to Yate - Day shifts both days.

Meanwhile.....on the test track Cowans chassis have completed several circuits with no issues! Will obviously need further trials over complex point work etc and there are a few issues to tweak.

Regards
Russ

Russ,

That's a shame, would've been interesting to see how they negotiate the sharp curves on HHC.

Ahh well there's always Trainwest in April.

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: talisman56 on January 28, 2014, 12:06:02 AM
Not one for those 'south of the Thames', looking at the details on the Breakdown Crane site... We didn't warrant 75ton lifting capability, obviously.

I don't care!

Rule 1 will be firmly applied!  :D

Dave G

There were two 75T cranes on the SR, as noted in my previous post (later than the one you quoted, Dave) - you do not need to play your 'Rule 1' card here. One was stationed at East Wimbledon (ADRC96201/ADB965186), the other at Hither Green (ADRC96200/ADB965185). The two 30T cranes were ADRC96100/01 (later ADB965183/84) - 96100 was initially at Feltham, then Clapham Junction and Horsham; my research on 96101 is as yet incomplete...
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Buzzard on January 28, 2014, 07:21:41 AM
There were two 75T cranes on the SR, as noted in my previous post (later than the one you quoted, Dave) - you do not need to play your 'Rule 1' card here. One was stationed at East Wimbledon (ADRC96201/ADB965186), the other at Hither Green (ADRC96200/ADB965185). The two 30T cranes were ADRC96100/01 (later ADB965183/84) - 96100 was initially at Feltham, then Clapham Junction and Horsham; my research on 96101 is as yet incomplete...


What's interesting here is that to clean up the derailment I posted a link about in my last post the East Wimbledon crane was used rather than the one just across the tracks at Hither Green depot.

This got me thinking about whether 96200 still existed in 1987 and according to the BDRC forum it did, here's a link

http://www.bdca.org.uk/forumtwo/search.php?keywords=96200&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=all&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search (http://www.bdca.org.uk/forumtwo/search.php?keywords=96200&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=all&sk=t&sd=d&sr=posts&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search)

With the more modern telescopic crane hopefully being produced by Modern Image Models there won't be any excuse for Southern region modellers not to have a crane on their layout.  However I cannot locate a kit for the Cowans Sheldon hand crane like the one that used to be at Tonbridge.

Nigel
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: daveg on January 28, 2014, 07:49:28 AM
I recall that Trevor (AKA Chinahand) built a 'tweaked' crane from a kit but can't find his post.

Perhaps he'll be kind enough to refresh my memory and post a pic of his excellent model.

Dave G
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: talisman56 on January 28, 2014, 10:08:30 AM


What's interesting here is that to clean up the derailment I posted a link about in my last post the East Wimbledon crane was used rather than the one just across the tracks at Hither Green depot.



The HG crane was in the SR Crane workshop at Ashford (Kent) for attention?
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on January 31, 2014, 09:49:39 AM
Hi Guys

Does anyone feel they can make a positive and comprehensive contribution towards this request?

Are you able to get a full list of what decals are required for this.

Ideally to cover all liveries and permutations that the crane could have appeared in.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: talisman56 on January 31, 2014, 12:46:36 PM

Are you able to get a full list of what decals are required for this.



Parkside Dundas have them listed on this page, about 3/4 of the way down:

http://www.parksidedundas.co.uk/acatalog/B.R._1948-65_Livery_-_Wagon_Transfers.html (http://www.parksidedundas.co.uk/acatalog/B.R._1948-65_Livery_-_Wagon_Transfers.html)

Unfortunately they're for OO, but are Modelmaster decals. Maybe they can be approached for a 2mm version?
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on February 03, 2014, 08:30:10 AM
Hi Guys,

Quick photo update - Bearing in mind this is 55mm long. I'v primered the crane chassis's and then in to yellow. I was a bit disappointed with the roughness when viewed close up with a camera (they are in SLS). But it looked OK from what I call normal viewing distance.

So, after a coat of a better yellow, gave it a coat or two of Lakeland quick shine (as used to apply decals) and what do you think of the improved finish? Does this make SLS (or WSF is your still getting this from shapeways) more acceptable?

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Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Only Me on February 03, 2014, 08:35:00 AM
I would definitely prefer to buy it in FUD, this for me is way too grainy
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: AndyGif on February 03, 2014, 08:57:41 AM

Sorry RusselH, but I have to agree with Only Me, it's way too rough a finish, it needs to be done in FUD.

By the time you've slapped the paint on all the detail is lost, the springs and axle box are now just blobs on the shiny yellow picture.

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on February 03, 2014, 08:59:29 AM
I'd pay more for the better finish myself.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Smiffy on February 03, 2014, 09:40:17 AM
Hi Russ,

Agree with the above comments, looks like too big a compromise despite the cruel enlargement of the photo.

Regards

Iain
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on February 03, 2014, 09:41:55 AM
Hi Guys

Thanks - Thats some decent fast replies (shame no one wants to help out as much with the decals!)

Anyway, Yep understand about FUD - we all love its detail and thats whats planned for the crane body anyway. Meanwhile, just concentrating on the (current design) chassis - in FUD ~£80 same in SLS is <£20. A FUD chassis will have to be supplied in two parts to enable wheel fitting without breakage.

I will still make SLS available to those that ask for it as its a very cost effective option.

Meanwhile - more pics!

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Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Smiffy on February 03, 2014, 10:08:57 AM
Hi Russ,

Would FD be another option?   

Or if too fragile could a simple fold up etch be used with the detailed prints attached on top - or would that be too bulky?

Regards

Iain
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: daveg on February 03, 2014, 10:22:51 AM
I have zero knowledge on the 3D processes but the drawings look amazing.

One of these would go down a treat but obviously cost must come into it.

I shall watch the developments with great interest.

Dave G
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: AndyGif on February 03, 2014, 10:23:54 AM
I wonder if it would be possible to have the sides, ends and top made in FUD and then attached to an inner core chassis of a more cheaper material.
Though in doing this we would be opening up the chance that distortion of flat parts occurs.

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on February 03, 2014, 11:29:29 AM
Hi Guys

All useful replies - thanks.

As its designed for FUD it not directly compatible with FD. FD would take some of the price (~25%?) off the but still no where near SLS. Would require going right back through the whole design and increasing thickness to make it work in FD with some detail loss. Thinking about workload vs savings vs yet another option to deal with - I dont think its worth while.

Etch - The vast majority dont like etch (not that many actually like kits at all) so we are trying to keep this as easy as possible to build to make it suitable for as many as possible. Look how easy the MPV is and how many have we sold - barely worth the time and effort involved. Depending on the combination of etch and print it could be a kept reasonable size but this is heading towards a worsley works style kit. If you go that way it could be astonishing (an etched underframe with stick on detail, solder the parkside bearings to a brass underframe etc) but much as I can build things like this it excludes so many thats not what we want to do. Keep it Simple - effective - affordable.

Thinking about a split chassis - I would hope shapeways might be able to print something thats only 55 mm long actually straight but somehow I dont feel that lucky considering how many MPV chassis I'v had to straighten. If its big lumps theres a better chance its straight. Once the prototype in SLS is finished and has been debugged by sufficient people We'll make the final design work in FUD.

My personal fav is a mix of SLS and FUD  - the mix is depending on your personal choice.

Meanwhile - PLEASE have a long detailed look at all the pics and get any problems aired now - not later.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: EtchedPixels on February 03, 2014, 10:35:57 PM
My experience with FUD is that long thin objects don't come out flat but that if you have removable structure to support them then the results are a lot more reliable. Ditto for avoiding inward bowing on sides of things like railcar shells.

You can also get wheels into a lot of FUD chassis by heating them to about 60C where they begin to go rather flexible, fitting the bearings and axles and then letting it cool back down.

If you go a bit above that (use a bowl, add hot water and use a food thermometer then put the model in) you can even "edit" models, doing things like adding curves to straight 3D printed FUD walls!


Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on February 03, 2014, 11:23:50 PM
Hi EP,

Yep - anything flat might not be once printed in FUD. Support structure idea noted for when we work on the FUD chassis version of the Cowans.

Heating and bending etc - presume this has to be done before painting?

As were using water that hot might I recommend nitrile marigolds with double cotton liners for better heat protection.

Regards
Russ

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: EtchedPixels on February 04, 2014, 10:28:12 AM
I've always done the heating/bending before painting. I don't see why it wouldn't work (within limits) after.

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on February 04, 2014, 03:41:48 PM
Hi Guys

Can you spare a moment to have a look at the pic in this link to check the wheel sizes against each other?

http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/var/albums/Cowans-Sheldon/ADRC96703-Album/96703%2C%20Waiting%20to%20go%20into%20Derby%20Works%20for%20conversion%20to%20diesel%2C%20Dec%201976%20-%20John%20Woolley.jpg?m=1304409432 (http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/var/albums/Cowans-Sheldon/ADRC96703-Album/96703%2C%20Waiting%20to%20go%20into%20Derby%20Works%20for%20conversion%20to%20diesel%2C%20Dec%201976%20-%20John%20Woolley.jpg?m=1304409432)

It looks to me like the main crane section has smaller wheels (5.1mm equivalent) and the relieving bogies have bigger wheels (6.2mm equivalent). Cant make my mind up about the match truck wheel sizes but would be helpful if they were of the bigger (6.2mm variety). Not a lot of difference our end (0.5mm height) but that extra 0.5mm makes it all line up nicely.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Only Me on February 04, 2014, 04:00:30 PM
They definitely look lower on the left wagon.... If I really zoom in, the bogies look the same on the crane body and either end, or is it just the final bogey on either end to have a smaller wheel?
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Wild Boar Fell on February 04, 2014, 04:13:09 PM
Having just checked "Railway Breakdown Cranes Volume 2" The diagrams show all wheels being 3 foot 1 inch diameter on the prototype.
Hope this is of use.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: EtchedPixels on February 04, 2014, 04:15:23 PM
The axle box centres appear to be the same height above the rail looking at the back part of the crane. That to me says the wheels are the same size as the track is flat. The front one is harder to check as the track curves.

If you project verticals from where the sides of the wheels would fall and compare them to the distance between two chairs as near as the wheel as possible it also suggests to me they are the same or at least very close.

You probably want to find someone with a copy of
http://www.noodlebooks.co.uk/product/view/2098 (http://www.noodlebooks.co.uk/product/view/2098)

Alan
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: talisman56 on February 04, 2014, 04:50:59 PM
Having just checked "Railway Breakdown Cranes Volume 2" The diagrams show all axles being 3 foot 1 inch diameter on the prototype.
Hope this is of use.

Axles  :goggleeyes: or wheels  :hmmm: ?
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on February 04, 2014, 04:58:42 PM
Hi Guys

Totally excellent stuff - big thanks all round!

I had all 5.1mm in there and it looked a tad loooow. Spotted that photo and thought the relieving  bogies had bigger wheels so bashed a set of 6.2 into the relieving bogie and match wagon. Looked better but messed up the alignment of the coupling to the main body. Now to find they are all 3'1" = 6.35 nearest is the 6.2mm is good news! Will bash a set of those in the main body later.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Shaun Harvey on February 08, 2014, 10:56:03 PM
Loving the progress on the crane project. I never thought it would look so good and can't wait to hear what the final price will be. I might have to save up. As I went on so much about it being a project for you guys I better get one at some point in the future to go with my breakdown coaches. Keep up the good work.

Shaun

 :wave:
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: bridgiesimon on February 10, 2014, 08:22:51 PM
For all you guys looking forward to this, I can upset you all by telling you I got my hands on the first set (without jib and cab) last night, cheers Russell.

The print is in SLS but that is NOT noticeable at all and looking most excellent. It is fully fitted with wheels etc and we gave it a running session around our layout as Russel's layout is in store at the mo. It performed faultlessly whether being hauled at various speeds through pointwork as well as being pushed with the loco at the back around curves which are around 10 inch radius. It looks amazing and I am looking forward to getting a full set when available!!!

I took a few videos of it on my phone which I have now left at work so will try and upload them onto here somehow tomorrow.

best wishes
Simon
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on February 22, 2014, 11:15:47 AM
Hi Guys

Hope those of you who went to Riddlestown meet all saw the Cowans chassis?? Hope they ran ok. Feedback appreciated...

Meanwhile - Prices - got a reasonable idea now as the cab and jib are done (and Iv got them here in SLS - more on that once Iv put some paint on them)

So for just the printed parts (you'll need to add wheels, bearings, couplings, springs, paint, transfers etc)

SLS - £46.50
FUD - £135 (and this still needs to be sorted to allow for wheel fitting)

Etch is in progress so we'll know the price of this soon.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on March 02, 2014, 01:35:32 PM
Latest pictures of the crane from the Riddlesdown 'meet up' a couple of weeks back:-

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Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on March 13, 2014, 12:28:14 PM
Hi Guys

Update time.

Following photos are with no surface prep at all - test print in SLS with a quick coat of acrylic so it can be photoed. Silver parts are on a seperate sprue as is the steam version chimney. With some modeling skills - primer, sanding, smoothing this can work.

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(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/RussellH_/Dir_3/medium_10905.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=10905)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/RussellH_/Dir_3/medium_10906.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=10906)

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(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/RussellH_/Dir_3/medium_10907.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=10907)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/RussellH_/Dir_3/medium_10908.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=10908)

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: bridgiesimon on March 13, 2014, 01:28:47 PM
Very impressive!!
Simon
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: CarriageShed on March 13, 2014, 01:29:37 PM
That's a very nice bit of detailing, Russ!
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on March 13, 2014, 02:52:48 PM
Wonderful work.  :)

Will get the chassis back to you as soon as I can.   :worried:
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Newportnobby on March 13, 2014, 04:37:42 PM
 :jawdropping:
Looks great, Russ!
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Paddy on March 14, 2014, 09:05:37 AM
Very, very impressive.  Well done.

Paddy
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on April 27, 2014, 01:23:15 PM
Hi Guys,

Been quietly working away at this and now its complete and off for its first test build.

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Once its been confirmed fit for use and any bugs sorted its going to be available in SLS material (aka WSF) straight away.

A FUD crane cab and jib will be an option but the chassis will only be reworked for FUD with sufficient interest.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: EtchedPixels on April 27, 2014, 01:37:38 PM
Definitely interested. Even have some suitable wire for the crane as I broke a guitar string this weekend 8)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: class37025 on April 27, 2014, 02:25:27 PM
just to check, SLS is pebbledash, FUD is screeded ie smoother ?

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on April 27, 2014, 02:58:08 PM
just to check, SLS is pebbledash, FUD is screeded ie smoother ?

Yep - thats fairly well it. Our SLS is done by 3Dprint UK and personally I dont find the level of pebbledash to be any problem.

Each to their own and thats why we do both as its impossible to please everyone.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Paddy on April 27, 2014, 04:32:09 PM
 Looks really good.  Well done.

Paddy
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: bridgiesimon on April 27, 2014, 05:06:46 PM
Well Russell, that looks great!!

Simon
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Wingman mothergoose on April 27, 2014, 05:35:35 PM
Wow!!!
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: PaulCheffus on April 27, 2014, 08:54:50 PM
just to check, SLS is pebbledash, FUD is screeded ie smoother ?

Yep - thats fairly well it. Our SLS is done by 3Dprint UK and personally I dont find the level of pebbledash to be any problem.

Each to their own and thats why we do both as its impossible to please everyone.

Regards
Russ

Hi

Do you have a close up photo showing the surface detail as the rough finish tends to put me off 3D printed items but I would be interested in the crane if the surface finish is very good.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on April 27, 2014, 10:08:06 PM
Hi Paul,

Posted this previously...
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Cowans chassis's were at the riddles town meet and I also sent up two scrap wagons - one SLS and one FUD but Iv not seen any comments from this yet?

If you dont like the SLS then you'll need FUD - unless anyone knows of anything better and preferably cheaper?

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: EtchedPixels on April 28, 2014, 12:04:29 PM
There are several "better" but none of them are cheap even by the standards of FUD. Mind you if you printed it in lost wax cast brass it would certainly stay on the track 8)

Something like an Envision-Tec will produce that print to the point you'd be have to handle it closely to decide if it was plastic or not. Unfortunately it'll make quite a dent in the other kind of plastic if you want one done that way!
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on April 28, 2014, 12:53:46 PM
I must say that I'd personally only want the FUD. :-X
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: AndyGif on April 28, 2014, 02:22:42 PM
It's going to have be FUD or maybe just FD,  the SLS finish looks like its been parked up under heavy acid rain for a couple of years then given a quick rub down of the rust flakes and painted yellow.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: steam-driven boy on April 28, 2014, 03:06:11 PM
Hi,
Another for FUD, while I understand the cost sensibility I'd only commit to the finer - albeit more expensive - finish  :thumbsup:

Regards, Gerry  8)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: PaulCheffus on April 28, 2014, 03:34:46 PM
Hi

Roughly what is the price difference between SLS and FUD?

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: red_death on April 28, 2014, 03:53:10 PM
The price difference is normally between 2-3 times more expensive for FUD.

I don't think that Russ's picture is a good example of FUD! I would normally expect FUD to be much better than that.

Cheers, Mike
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: AndyGif on April 28, 2014, 04:07:17 PM
The price difference is normally between 2-3 times more expensive for FUD.

I don't think that Russ's picture is a good example of FUD! I would normally expect FUD to be much better than that.

Cheers, Mike
thats because they're not, go back up the thread to reply 68.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on April 28, 2014, 04:34:01 PM
The price difference is normally between 2-3 times more expensive for FUD.

I don't think that Russ's picture is a good example of FUD! I would normally expect FUD to be much better than that.

Cheers, Mike


Hi Mike

thats just SLS as per Pauls request....ones with floor seal to smooth it off and one without.

If you want the SLS vs FUD comparison then we spent a while chewing that bone here...
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=13011.msg189472#msg189472 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=13011.msg189472#msg189472)

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on April 28, 2014, 05:18:04 PM

Russ,

Are you going to the Bristol show this weekend??

I'll be there on the Saturday and Sunday, so if you want to bring along the Crane and/or the POA's, then please do so.

Regards

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on April 30, 2014, 04:03:47 PM
Hi Neal and All

Will do my best to get Crane (with mk2 jib) & POA scrap wagons to Thornbury on the Friday and leave with Tim/Stu on the NGS stand as per PM.

Anything else you want to get your mitts on then please advise asap!

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on April 30, 2014, 04:16:20 PM
Quick update....Crane etch parts....

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Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: bridgiesimon on April 30, 2014, 06:51:57 PM
My personal view, as someone who has had the opportunity to handle the SLS printed crane chassis is that I cannot see the point of the mega extra cost of going for the FUD material for this model. At normal viewing distances it looks great and you really have to be close t see the lack of definition.. I will be acquiring one and in SLS when the time comes.

I am really looking forward to seeing one of these trundling along with suitable support vehicles!

Best wishes and as always, most excellent work Russ!!!

Simon
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on May 01, 2014, 10:19:23 AM
Quick update...

Please have a look at the two pic's and please comment on them

(and I dont mean another discussion about SLS print quality)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/RussellH_/Dir_4/medium_12073.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12073)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/RussellH_/Dir_4/medium_12074.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12074)


Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: AndyGif on May 01, 2014, 12:39:05 PM
nice application of the etches.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: bridgiesimon on May 01, 2014, 04:21:23 PM
Etches look good and seem to fit well Rus!!

Simon
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Ben A on May 01, 2014, 04:43:09 PM

Hi Russ,

Nice job with the etches.  They look to be a very good fit.

Cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on May 01, 2014, 05:37:07 PM

You know what this sounds really silly, but I'm getting very excited about the prospect of seeing all this at the Bristol show this weekend.

It'll be on display on the DEMU stand on Saturday and Sunday, so do stop by and have a look.

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on May 02, 2014, 08:14:38 PM
Hi Guys

The crane is at Thornbury all weekend and was noted on stapeforth today...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/albums/RussellH_/Dir_4/medium_12085.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12085)

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: bridgiesimon on May 02, 2014, 08:32:42 PM
That looks so cool!!

Simon
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on May 02, 2014, 08:59:07 PM
Excellent!  I'd love to have two, but that won't happen!  LOL
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: class37025 on May 02, 2014, 09:14:11 PM
looks amazing, definitely counting pennies to see if I can afford one, even if it ended up sitting in the TMD most of the time.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: B1 61126 on May 06, 2014, 08:17:50 PM
Hi folks just been through this thread and I don't seem able to see any of the pics of the test prints etc is this just me or are others experiencing this prob as well
Geoff
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Sprintex on May 06, 2014, 08:32:24 PM
Same here Geoff, although I'm sure I looked at them the other day without problem? :hmmm:


Paul
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: class37025 on May 06, 2014, 08:34:36 PM
same here
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on May 06, 2014, 09:24:07 PM
Possibly as I dont appear to have any photos in my album at all - 180 place holders with titles but no photos in them.

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Caz on May 06, 2014, 09:38:24 PM
It has been reported and is being worked upon. 
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: B1 61126 on May 08, 2014, 10:34:40 PM
Hi folks we now have pictures many thanks for the quick fix looks very impressive I will be very interested in buying one now I may have missed the price whilst reading this thread so would someone mind letting me know how much these will be
many thanks
Geoff
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on May 09, 2014, 10:57:12 AM
Hi Geoff

Detailed look at costing here...

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=21340.msg218084#msg218084 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=21340.msg218084#msg218084)

Basically £140ish in 100% FUD - but only after the chassis are reworked to cope with FUDs properties - inflexible and brittle.

SLS will be cheaper - note the various discussions about SLS vs FUD.

Crane will be at the Taunton show May 17th...
http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=21146.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=21146.0)

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on May 18, 2014, 10:54:48 AM
Hi Guys

Crane made it to the show and behaved very well....

http://youtu.be/eYs7TVLxWjw (http://youtu.be/eYs7TVLxWjw)

regards

Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: NTrain on May 18, 2014, 11:19:38 AM
Looking good
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: bridgiesimon on May 18, 2014, 12:00:32 PM
Yes, the crane is looking very good and at normal viewing distances (when standing looking at the layout) the SLS is not a problem at all in my opinion. A great looking model, really well designed!!

Simon
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Newportnobby on May 18, 2014, 12:33:50 PM
Great to see such a fine model in action - thanks Russ :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: EtchedPixels on May 18, 2014, 01:27:09 PM
Running very smoothly too, despite being reversed at some speed.

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on May 18, 2014, 01:54:18 PM
Hi Alan

Thats the plan - to show the chassis's stable - even at that speed.

regards

Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on May 18, 2014, 07:54:01 PM

 :claphappy: :claphappy: :claphappy: :claphappy:

Ooohhh me want!!! Me want!!!!

Well done Russ.

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: porkie on May 18, 2014, 08:55:53 PM

 :claphappy: :claphappy: :claphappy: :claphappy:

Ooohhh me want!!! Me want!!!!

Well done Russ.

Cheers

Neal.


Me too.

Can't wait to have this sat in the sidings of Milton grove
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on May 28, 2014, 11:45:19 AM
Hi Guys

Wasn't happy with the shape of the head of the jib so here's the re worked "version 3" items....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12792.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12792)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12793.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12793)

compared with this Photo kindly supplied by Simon...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12794.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12794)

Again - if you can point out something now then that may avoid it being set in stone later. This is likely to be the last revision - just the etches to re doo.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Only Me on May 28, 2014, 11:57:27 AM
(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

Whats the bit here, looks like a retainer to stop the jib moving ?
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on May 28, 2014, 12:49:17 PM
Is it not to stop the cables rubbing on the cover? ???
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Only Me on May 28, 2014, 01:04:05 PM
No Idea, just pointing out it wasn't on the CAD.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on May 30, 2014, 08:09:47 PM
Hi Guys

Fixed!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/46/thumb_12822.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=12822)

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: talisman56 on May 30, 2014, 08:17:10 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: bridgiesimon on May 30, 2014, 09:18:14 PM
Looking better and better, this is turning into a very impressive project!!!

Best wishes
Simon
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on June 10, 2014, 09:03:20 PM
Hi Guys

While we wait for crane v4 to turn up were looking at the etch again.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/thumb_13114.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13114)

ANYTHING relevant you think ought to be on here please advise asap!!

Hope those of you who saw the crane on Saundersfoot at the NGS AGM liked what you saw.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on June 10, 2014, 09:06:22 PM
Wonderful!  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: bridgiesimon on June 11, 2014, 09:19:12 AM
Etch design looks great Russell, especially love the hand wheels!

Simon
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Sipat on June 11, 2014, 09:39:46 AM
Saw it on Saundersfoot, and as we were saying, I'll definately have an SLS one!
Looks good to me

Now on the 3D wishlist...

RHTT
6x SSA
Crane
MPV
3x TDA's
1x Railgrinder
2x ZZA's
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: porkie on June 21, 2014, 12:15:44 PM
Any updates Russ?
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on June 21, 2014, 07:42:18 PM
Hi Porkie

Latest 3Dprint arrived and the detail is fab - The strapping that only_me spotted is visible even in SLS but still a bit of layering visible. Price vs quality still very good. I'm in the middle of a long run of 12 hour days & night so it will be waiting for a while to progress by which time hopefuly well have etches too. Respect to all working on in this heat...

Regards
Russ

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: bridgiesimon on June 21, 2014, 09:41:17 PM
I will second that, saw the latest gib print recently and it looks awesome!!

Best wishes
Simon
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Steven B on June 22, 2014, 12:22:09 PM
I'm not convinced the Jib is correct. The two Cowens 75t cranes I've seen at Bury on the East Lancs Railway & Butterly (Midland Railway) have jibs that are fabricated from plate and have cut outs in the panels that join the two jib sections together

Here's a photo I took of the one at Bury a couple of years ago that shows its construction.
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/45/thumb_13366.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13366)


Happy modelling.

Steven B.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on June 22, 2014, 09:59:43 PM
OK thats useful ( timing sucks abit seeing as we just had the final one printed )

A jib exactly like that will only work with etch and that's potentially beyond the majority of our audience. Will get the existing one measured and compare with min sizes for printing and see what room there is for further adjustments.

regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on July 03, 2014, 10:41:25 AM
Hi Guys,

Iv lost track of exactly what version of jib were on now - think its 6th?

Hollowed out as best as possible.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/thumb_13659.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13659)

Anyway this ones going to be printed in FUD (together with a cab) - so maybe called bendy jib....

Regards
Russ

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Michael Shillabeer on July 03, 2014, 10:54:14 AM
A jib exactly like that will only work with etch and that's potentially beyond the majority of our audience.

Hello Russ

Could your CAD be used to create an etched version?

Thanks
Michael
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on July 03, 2014, 11:06:48 AM
Hi Michael,

Probably - but - we've already decided against it as there are so few who can assemble and etch jib and going by the poor sales of previous items the market is so tiny its a waste of time. May sell one or two.

Anyone watching this thread with a view to buying, thats ever successfully built anything from worsleys works? (or other complex 100% etch kit).

Regards
Russ

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Michael Shillabeer on July 03, 2014, 11:29:58 AM
Hi Michael,

Probably - but - we've already decided against it as there are so few who can assemble and etch jib and going by the poor sales of previous items the market is so tiny its a waste of time. May sell one or two.

Anyone watching this thread with a view to buying, thats ever successfully built anything from worsleys works? (or other complex 100% etch kit).

Regards
Russ

Hello Russ

I'd be the one who'd buy it as an etch!

I've assembled etched kits from John Grey and BH Enterprises (including their 48DS shunter). I'm currently building an etched 1:43 MK IV WW1 tank.

No photos at the moment because I'm posting this from work.

Best regards
Michael
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: PaulCheffus on July 03, 2014, 12:10:46 PM
Hi Michael,

Probably - but - we've already decided against it as there are so few who can assemble and etch jib and going by the poor sales of previous items the market is so tiny its a waste of time. May sell one or two.

Anyone watching this thread with a view to buying, thats ever successfully built anything from worsleys works? (or other complex 100% etch kit).

Regards
Russ

Hi

Depends on what you call complex?

I have built the N'thusiast Tamper and various 2mm Association kits. I've also built the Freightliner flats as sold by Worsley Works.

I'd buy an etched version as opposed to a 3D printed one.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on July 05, 2014, 07:07:38 PM
Hi Guys

Well, only two of you have expressed an interest in the etch jib so I think the best way forward is for me to send you side on shots of the jib against a 1mm background and then you can progress the concept of an etch jib etch yourselves if your interested - pm me if you are.

Meanwhile heres a shot of the new slimline jib head....(just remember how close this is!)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/thumb_13722.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=13722)

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Mustermark on July 05, 2014, 10:56:15 PM
Looks really good Russ. I might prefer an etch kit for the fine detail, but i am sure i'll be getting one in 3D print when it's ready for sale.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on July 27, 2014, 07:19:15 PM
Hi Guys,

Final revision of the jib and cab printed in FUD sat on an all SLS printed chassis....

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/thumb_14284.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14284)

close ups showing the problems with each type of print - FUD layering or SLS texture.

**Note** there has been NO surface prep on either of these as yet - just primer so you can actually see something in the photos.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/thumb_14285.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14285)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/43/thumb_14286.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=14286)

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: talisman56 on July 27, 2014, 07:23:28 PM
That looks the absolute dogs dangly bits... looks like I'll have to make room on the layout for one of these.  :)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on July 27, 2014, 07:54:20 PM

Looks great Russ.

How much difference in price does the FUD upper and SLS chassis make??

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on July 27, 2014, 08:13:38 PM
Hi Neal,

Excluding etch and post a whole crane (printed items only) in SLS is ~£55. 100% FUD as before around £140. Still about 3 times the cost.

Finger in the air maths time - about +£30 to upgrade the cab, jib and jib support to FUD from SLS = ~£85.

Hollow jib looks nice but a bugger to paint. Cab internals - well its a shame to put a roof on really!

Regards
Russ





Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Newportnobby on July 27, 2014, 08:35:17 PM
What a super job, Russ :thumbsup:
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: bridgiesimon on July 27, 2014, 08:45:21 PM
Mate , that is looking AWESOME!!!!

Best wishes
Simon
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on July 27, 2014, 09:33:32 PM
A beaut!  I can't wait to get my hands on one. :D
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on September 07, 2014, 02:32:39 PM
Quick update...

Full Crane (the prototype) in SLS and Cab/Jib in FUD will be at TINGS with Neal on the DEMU stand both days.

Progress continues as time allows - All chassis have been done in the split version to enable wheel fitting in FUD without the snapping sensation.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: daveg on September 07, 2014, 05:52:31 PM
Looks fabulous.

Hope to hear it is ready to buy at some point.

Will it be available just as a kit or fully assembled & painted?

Dave G
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Snowwolflair on September 14, 2014, 01:02:42 AM
I saw the prototype in both materials on the stand today and they are both of a good acceptable quality.

Very nice work - where/when can I order one please.

David
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on September 14, 2014, 07:29:13 PM
Hi Guys

Just back from TINGS with the crane.

To DaveG - Crane will be supplied as a set of printed parts & etch only - will need to get wheels and bearings from parkside (details will be supplied)!. And Transfers - when some one decides to do some - hopefully railtech if asked very nicely might help with this?

Its been designed as a very simple kit with stacks of detail included in the print. The wheel bearings are tiny but can be fitted, wheels pinged in and with a brush coat of yellow paint thats what you see at the show and in the pics. The middle two wheels on the main crane need the tips grinding off carefully BUT if you dont fancy this you dont really need to fit them as they are barley noticeable and alot easier to put onthe track!

To David, "when & where" - here & soon. Needing to finish a test build inc etches then the SLS can go out on release. FUD is not far behind with all the CAD done for split chassis's as the wheels have to be fitted as part of the build (FUD doesn't have the necessary flex to allow the wheels to be prized in without braking).

Thanks to all that passed on comments at TIN?GS today - your interest was most appreciated!

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on November 08, 2014, 11:21:30 PM

For those of you who are not on Farcebook, I had the crane running on Choates Lane today at Westbury. It was being pulled by a Network 31 with  2 Tool vans and a Network Rail coach.

Here is a short video I took of it trundling round:

http://m.youtube.com/select_site?rdm=1bakrb74t&client=mv-google (http://m.youtube.com/select_site?rdm=1bakrb74t&client=mv-google)

Regards

Neal
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: bridgiesimon on November 08, 2014, 11:41:16 PM
Link not working, could just be me though.

Best wishes
SImon
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: bridgiesimon on November 08, 2014, 11:44:51 PM
Found it -
3DR Designs breakdown train (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yajxznre8CM#ws)

Looks very impressive!!

Best wishes
Simon
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on November 10, 2014, 05:33:25 PM
Who is the person mowing the lawn in the video?!   ;)

Great model, I can't wait to get my hands on one.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Snowwolflair on November 11, 2014, 04:13:30 PM
Needs some rust but very nice.

Bit fast for a crane surely ;)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on December 06, 2014, 11:56:12 AM
Hi Guys

After some work to accommodate the inflexible/brittle material properties of FUD, the typical lead time and then spraying - heres the results...

Main crane chassis - showing both sides - note the differing FUD print quality we have do deal with!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19275.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19275)

End view of main chassis

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19276.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19276)

Chassis top - enough rivets?

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19277.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19277)

Relieving bogie in its two halves

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19278.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19278)

Assembled...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19281.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19281)

Match truck in two halves...

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19279.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19279)

Crane base - showing the fit of the two pieces (cant see the join round the edge)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19280.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19280)

Crane base - material choices - FUD (white and 3 x the price of the SLS) compared to the SLS one piece chassis (grey)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19282.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19282)

Just remember its N gauge and how small this actually is!

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on December 06, 2014, 12:26:14 PM
Wow!  Much more detail than I thought. :heart:  Great work gents.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: DCCDave on December 06, 2014, 12:41:01 PM

Crane base - material choices - FUD (white and 3 x the price of the SLS) compared to the SLS one piece chassis (grey)

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/35/thumb_19282.JPG[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=19282[/url])



There's quite a difference unpainted, I wonder how much of the FUD detail vanishes when painted/weathered and if the SLS is good enough then?

Cheers
Dave
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on December 06, 2014, 12:46:49 PM
They are both primered...

FUD is transparent and a right nightmare to phot unpainted - I just phot when primered.

White prmier for FUD and grey for the SLS this time round

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: PaulCheffus on December 06, 2014, 02:06:30 PM
Hi

Now that does look good.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Newportnobby on December 06, 2014, 02:41:58 PM
The detail on the FUD version is gobsmacking :jawdropping:
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: 47033 on December 06, 2014, 03:05:09 PM
Oh my word, the detail is fantastic. Great work.

Jamie
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Shaun Harvey on January 11, 2015, 09:06:44 AM
Hi Russell

Is there a priced yet for the Fud (High Res) Kit yet, I'm looking forward to getting my hands on one of these. Maybe I could start sending you some money as way of a deposit so you know I'm interested.

 I've already sprayed some support coaches using Holts AA yellow. I hope that would be a good colour for the crane.

Look forward to seeing the above kit sprayed in its final colour.

S
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on January 12, 2015, 09:40:58 PM
Prices still expected to be around the £50 (sls) and £150 (FUD) - until we get the shape right and then manipulate for min space etc we just dont know the fine detail.

What were hoping may happen is that the FUD items will be available direct from shapeways. You'll still need the etches and SLS parts that make this work. (The A frames have to flex to clip on so have to be SLS, centre wheel carriers are SLS as they act as bearing and again the wheels clip in)

Yet another revision of relieving bogies has gone on the order as the current one's rear wheels wont fit without milling - fab! See what else needs a tweak!

Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Jonny on May 17, 2015, 07:56:38 AM
Tank

Which pictures of decals do you need.  not sure if you have it but I have a book on Cowan Sheldon with quite a few pictures and also being from Carlisle our local museum has alot of info on the company as will my local archive centre.

Cheers

Jonny
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: NeMo on May 17, 2015, 09:18:35 AM
While dusting off some of my old photos, came across a Cowans crane shot from 1986. Perhaps of interest to those working with this model and wanting to know what they looked like in that era. This is a low-res version; high-res version available if anyone wants it.

Cheers, NeMo

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24941.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24941)

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on May 19, 2015, 07:07:04 AM
Which pictures of decals do you need.  not sure if you have it but I have a book on Cowan Sheldon with quite a few pictures and also being from Carlisle our local museum has alot of info on the company as will my local archive centre.


Hi Johnny,

Excellent news!  Ideally we'd like to cover every livery possible, so as many pictures as you can would be great please.  I don't even know how many liveries there were altogether, but there can't be that many.  ???

Thank you.  :)

While dusting off some of my old photos, came across a Cowans crane shot from 1986. Perhaps of interest to those working with this model and wanting to know what they looked like in that era. This is a low-res version; high-res version available if anyone wants it.

Cheers, NeMo

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/25/thumb_24941.jpg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=24941[/url])


A great picture Nemo.  :)  This would certainly help those who are modelling the later BR era, which is also what I want to model. 

Could you email me the high res version please?  :ngfemailsign:  Thank you!
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Bealman on May 19, 2015, 07:27:48 AM
Those houses in the background are identical to the ones I lived in. There was never a railway at the bottom of the garden, however. Wonder where that picture was taken?
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: NeMo on May 19, 2015, 09:31:27 AM
Those houses in the background are identical to the ones I lived in. There was never a railway at the bottom of the garden, however. Wonder where that picture was taken?


Besot Bescot, 5th July 1986.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bescot_TMD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bescot_TMD)

Cheers, NeMo
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Bealman on May 19, 2015, 09:54:32 AM
I've just clicked on thank you to stop me hijacking the thread...

But where is Besot?  ???
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Newportnobby on May 19, 2015, 10:16:13 AM
Twas a typo, George. Should be Bescot (as shown in the link :P)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: NeMo on May 19, 2015, 12:00:51 PM
Twas a typo, George. Should be Bescot (as shown in the link :P)
Quite so... turns out autocorrect changes "bescot" into "besot"!!!

NeMo
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: P Bender on June 07, 2015, 11:02:37 PM
I will post some scans from "Carlisle's crane makers, the Cowans Sheldon story" tomorrow and some links as well.

Good night  :sleep:
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: P Bender on June 08, 2015, 02:05:24 PM
The following two pictures are scans from:

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

Futhermore I have the following doing a Google:

(http://www.bdca.org.uk/imagestwo/Photo15.jpg)
from: http://www.bdca.org.uk/steamreplaced.html (http://www.bdca.org.uk/steamreplaced.html)

(http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/var/resizes/Cowans-Sheldon/20-30-ton-crane-to-Works-No.-4475,-LPTB-No.-C604/London%20Transport%20Breakdown%20Crane005.jpg?m=1351864454)
from: http://districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/21370/metropolitan-railway-breakdown-crane-1924 (http://districtdavesforum.co.uk/thread/21370/metropolitan-railway-breakdown-crane-1924)

(http://www.pemtram.com.au/31_B__W.jpg)
from: http://www.pemtram.com.au/crane%2031.htm (http://www.pemtram.com.au/crane%2031.htm)

and finally:
(http://glostransporthistory.visit-gloucestershire.co.uk/images/SVR_2013_08_Bridgnorth_shed Cowan Sheldon crane.jpg)

Hope this helps (and hoping that publishing these picture down here is in line with your forum rules)

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: P Bender on June 09, 2015, 10:13:20 PM
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1nj0RTP5ZsE5euAsIT95yY6FnXiQf9i99LydAS4Z35pw/mobilepresent?pli=1&slide=id.p17
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: mickd247 on August 09, 2015, 08:46:49 AM
Prices still expected to be around the £50 (sls) and £150 (FUD) - until we get the shape right and then manipulate for min space etc we just dont know the fine detail.

What were hoping may happen is that the FUD items will be available direct from shapeways. You'll still need the etches and SLS parts that make this work. (The A frames have to flex to clip on so have to be SLS, centre wheel carriers are SLS as they act as bearing and again the wheels clip in)

Yet another revision of relieving bogies has gone on the order as the current one's rear wheels wont fit without milling - fab! See what else needs a tweak!

Russ

Hi Russ

How are things progressing with this project, really hoping that this model will be available soon
 :beers:

Mick
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: 47033 on September 29, 2015, 04:20:19 AM
Any updates on this project ?

Jamie
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on September 29, 2015, 07:29:17 AM
Apologies Mick, and thanks Jamie.  I'm just waiting for a model to arrive to me from 3DR, and then I can crack on with the decals.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Mustermark on September 29, 2015, 11:19:35 AM
This was looking gorgeous ar TINGS. It will be "birthday and Christmas" to get it in FUD, but well worth it.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on September 29, 2015, 11:21:24 AM
Definitely Mark!  I'm glad I wasn't alone in pushing it to be produced in FUD.  :)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Snowwolflair on September 29, 2015, 11:25:56 AM
If you are going to put the work in to make a good model you need to start with the best possible material   FUD  8)

Look forward to getting one (possibly two  :D)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: portland-docks on October 14, 2015, 03:35:59 PM
any update on when the crane is available and what price we are looking at?

i presume it comes unpainted for us to paint whatever livery we like?

looks awesome i definatly want a steam crane!

paul
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Branchie on October 14, 2015, 10:09:38 PM
Well I be just stumbled into this thread and all I can say is WOW!

Looks like I need to build me self a suitable depot layout!!
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on October 15, 2015, 01:33:24 PM
any update on when the crane is available and what price we are looking at?

i presume it comes unpainted for us to paint whatever livery we like?

looks awesome i definatly want a steam crane!

paul


Paul,

Not sure on the time frames yet for availability, but I think Russ, @RussellH (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1002), is just waiting for the Transfers to be designed and approved then the kits will be ready to go. As far as cost is concerned the projected price at the moment is:

SLS - £50-£60 per kit, to include transfers and all etches
FUD - £150-£160 per kit, again including transfers and all etches

Neither kit will include wheels and couplings, AFAIK.

Well this is what I've been telling people anyway  ;) ;)

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on October 15, 2015, 02:43:48 PM
Since the last update many moons ago the length of the jib has been awaiting attention. Too short and it looks pants - too long and it shoves the runner wagon off the track on corners.

Lots of factors have stopped any and all progress on this (donít ask) and thatís not going to change in any hurry BUT meantimeÖ

We've made the decision to look at splitting at least the main crane chassis into 3 parts (was 2 as shown) so both sides get the benefit of "the good side" of the 3d printing process.

Hopefully the crane cab roof will change to etch along the whole length in two sections of nickel silver. That means it will solder and bend easily so those of you who what to make the jib go up and down can have a go but thatís upto you. Thatís both the etch sheet and the body to change. The rest of the etch will be in stainless steel as its stronger.

Even the full FUD version requires a block of SLS to carry the middle two floating axles (unless you dont want to fit them at all) - hopefully this will be catered for in the ordering process. Its required as it flexible enough to allow push fit of the axles into slots.

Tank has taken up the challenge of the decals (cant believe no one else was willing to step up in a forum this size) and is working from CAD drawings overlaid on a scaled background (Tank feel free to post these on the thread if you like)

The prices shown by Neal are what we were expecting (its not been checked for a long time) but they donít include the cost of the etch or transfers. Etches which will need to be supplied - all other parts in theory can be obtained easily elsewhere. The kit will be direct order from shapeways in FUD with etches posted to you from me (as shapeways donít do etch these are ordered in bulk from PPD). I expect someone will want FXD - that will be looked at with the SLS option once the design is finished

To clarify - Its supplied as a bare 3dprinted set of parts to be cleaned (oven cleaner), painted and assembled by you. You'll needÖ
Wheels - from parkside
Springs for the rapido couplings (or choose your preferred alternative and glue it on)
Fine black cotton (or anything else suitable to resemble steel cables)
Transfers - hopefully from railtek
Paint (avoid enamel due to reactions with the FUD), glue
and a willingness to build something.

We have tried our best to make this as simple to build as possible while retaining as much detail and functionality as the build will allow and I still hope to see the one SLS version thatís out there for a trial build completed at some point with a half decent paint job just in case there are any other howlers as once we finish the above changes then thatís it.

Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: portland-docks on October 15, 2015, 03:50:52 PM
Since the last update many moons ago the length of the jib has been awaiting attention. Too short and it looks pants - too long and it shoves the runner wagon off the track on corners.

Lots of factors have stopped any and all progress on this (donít ask) and thatís not going to change in any hurry BUT meantimeÖ

We've made the decision to look at splitting at least the main crane chassis into 3 parts (was 2 as shown) so both sides get the benefit of "the good side" of the 3d printing process.

Hopefully the crane cab roof will change to etch along the whole length in two sections of nickel silver. That means it will solder and bend easily so those of you who what to make the jib go up and down can have a go but thatís upto you. Thatís both the etch sheet and the body to change. The rest of the etch will be in stainless steel as its stronger.

Even the full FUD version requires a block of SLS to carry the middle two floating axles (unless you dont want to fit them at all) - hopefully this will be catered for in the ordering process. Its required as it flexible enough to allow push fit of the axles into slots.

Tank has taken up the challenge of the decals (cant believe no one else was willing to step up in a forum this size) and is working from CAD drawings overlaid on a scaled background (Tank feel free to post these on the thread if you like)

The prices shown by Neal are what we were expecting (its not been checked for a long time) but they donít include the cost of the etch or transfers. Etches which will need to be supplied - all other parts in theory can be obtained easily elsewhere. The kit will be direct order from shapeways in FUD with etches posted to you from me (as shapeways donít do etch these are ordered in bulk from PPD). I expect someone will want FXD - that will be looked at with the SLS option once the design is finished

To clarify - Its supplied as a bare 3dprinted set of parts to be cleaned (oven cleaner), painted and assembled by you. You'll needÖ
Wheels - from parkside
Springs for the rapido couplings (or choose your preferred alternative and glue it on)
Fine black cotton (or anything else suitable to resemble steel cables)
Transfers - hopefully from railtek
Paint (avoid enamel due to reactions with the FUD), glue
and a willingness to build something.

We have tried our best to make this as simple to build as possible while retaining as much detail and functionality as the build will allow and I still hope to see the one SLS version thatís out there for a trial build completed at some point with a half decent paint job just in case there are any other howlers as once we finish the above changes then thatís it.

Russ

Not one person can fault your commitment to making this project russel, and its one i definatly would love to have a go at and im sure it will be worth every penny! The moment they are available i will be after one that is for sure!
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on October 15, 2015, 05:23:35 PM
Progress from my end will be slow.....  Lots happening at home, and the latest was my dad having to start dialysis this week.  So, not only am I running here, working full time, young family, caring for my dad (who lives with us), but also trying to stop future floods on my property with some building work in the garden.  Have had a bad back for 9 weeks also, which managed to stop hurting 3 weeks ago, and my wife had to have her gallbladder removed 5 weeks ago. ;D

If anyone thinks they could do the decals then let me know.  :)  I have built up a small collection of pictures, mainly of the diesel yellow livery to help.  If no takers then it could be a while.

Apologies for the essay!  :D
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: portland-docks on October 15, 2015, 05:25:37 PM
Progress from my end will be slow.....  Lots happening at home, and the latest was my dad having to start dialysis this week.  So, not only am I running here, working full time, young family, caring for my dad (who lives with us), but also trying to stop future floods on my property with some building work in the garden.  Have had a bad back for 9 weeks also, which managed to stop hurting 3 weeks ago, and my wife had to have her gallbladder removed 5 weeks ago. ;D

If anyone thinks they could do the decals then let me know.  :)  I have built up a small collection of pictures, mainly of the diesel yellow livery to help.  If no takers then it could be a while.

Apologies for the essay!  :D

would it be worth to see if fox could arrange something?

if i had the facilities to do decals i would have offered but im not that up to date yet! :sorrysign:
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on October 15, 2015, 05:52:27 PM
Progress from my end will be slow.....  Lots happening at home, and the latest was my dad having to start dialysis this week.  So, not only am I running here, working full time, young family, caring for my dad (who lives with us), but also trying to stop future floods on my property with some building work in the garden.  Have had a bad back for 9 weeks also, which managed to stop hurting 3 weeks ago, and my wife had to have her gallbladder removed 5 weeks ago. ;D

If anyone thinks they could do the decals then let me know.  :)  I have built up a small collection of pictures, mainly of the diesel yellow livery to help.  If no takers then it could be a while.

Apologies for the essay!  :D

And your excuse is................... :D :D :D





Don't worry Chris, as and when matey, as and when...

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on October 15, 2015, 06:25:22 PM
 :laughabovepost:

Say it as it is.....! ;D
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on October 17, 2015, 10:01:14 AM

We've made the decision to look at splitting at least the main crane chassis into 3 parts (was 2 as shown) so both sides get the benefit of "the good side" of the 3d printing process.



Done!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/15/thumb_30464.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30464)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: portland-docks on October 17, 2015, 11:07:25 AM
We can get it as a kit?
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on October 17, 2015, 04:07:16 PM
Hi PD,
It comes as you see in the pictures - a set of parts (should be pics back through the thread). Thats the only option. No instructions either - thats what the thread is for - when a build is done its hoped those building will contribute with words and pictures. Self help thing.

Its always been our goal to make things as simple as possible and originally this section was a one piece as SLS is flexible enough to allow the wheels to be pinged in - FUD isn't flexible to the wheels will have to be fitted and the sides glued on in one go (fun!). And as one side had to come off why not take of the other to get the best from the printing process.

Russ

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: portland-docks on October 18, 2015, 09:45:05 PM
ah fair enough! i would love it as a kit anyways as theres the self satisfaction of seeing something you made :)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Rma on February 05, 2016, 05:12:58 PM
A further update would be much appreciated. Looking forward to release. Thanks
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on February 05, 2016, 05:21:45 PM
I'm literally waiting for Railtec to make the decals for us.  Steve is incredibly busy, so we've just got to wait sadly.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on February 05, 2016, 05:56:48 PM
He's not the only one - were now in outage season at work so little time till off until Easter really.

Going to take a bit to catch up to where we were with this - meanwhile there is at least one prototype out there that could be test built to provide some entertainment.....?

The project maybe behind but it is not forgotten.

Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on February 05, 2016, 05:58:51 PM
Going to take a bit to catch up to where we were with this - meanwhile there is at least one prototype out there that could be test built to provide some entertainment.....?

Russ

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah......

Ok I get the hint  ;) ;)

I'll put it to the top of the rountuit list  ;) ;)

regards

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Shaun Harvey on February 05, 2016, 10:59:42 PM
Going to take a bit to catch up to where we were with this - meanwhile there is at least one prototype out there that could be test built to provide some entertainment.....?

Russ

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah....
..

Ok I get the hint  ;) ;)

I'll put it to the top of the rountuit list  ;) ;)

regards

Neal.

Hi Neal,

hope you are ok. havent seen you here on the forum for a while. If i can help,with this project let me know. i would love to have had the crane on George Street II during my photo shoot. pm me if i can help in any way.

I need a decent crane to go with these coaches!

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)

regards

Shaun
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: 47033 on February 06, 2016, 04:25:25 AM
Thanks for the update, I keep checking every couple of days for new posts. Eagerly awaiting this fine crane.

Jamie
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: robert shrives on April 13, 2016, 08:07:50 AM
Hi gang

Just wondered having seen some lovely prints how much nearer a release you are with the crane, many thanks for any info .

cheers
Robert 
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on May 02, 2016, 07:31:50 PM

Ok here are some more photos of the test build crane showing it's progression, sorry it's taking so long but I do have a day job and a family  :) :)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_39017.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39017)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_39019.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39019)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_39020.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39020)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_39021.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39021)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_39022.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39022)

I've also painted it now and I'll upload some photos of that later.

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Newportnobby on May 02, 2016, 08:43:04 PM
Thanks for that, Neal. How flexible is the material please? Some cack-handed pillock like me would probably snap bits off when trying to fit the wheel axles into the boxes :-[
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Mustermark on May 02, 2016, 11:53:06 PM
Day job? Family? But this is N gauge!!!

It's looking jolly good Neal. Thanks for finding time. One of these will grace the depot in Reading, even if I have to re-write history.

NN, i think it depends if you get your print in frosted ultra detail or white soft flexible. I'd suggest that with FUD you will need to be pretty careful (and is more £££), but WSF is much more forgiving (and cheaper) but less crisp in its detail.  :uneasy: :confused2:

I've seen the FUD version and it is a thing of beauty close up. :heart2: :drool: :thumbsup: I doubt it is too difficult to gently ease the wheelsets in, but I suspect budget will be a big determining factor for most of us in the choice of print too.  ??? :confused1: :worried:
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Snowwolflair on May 02, 2016, 11:57:10 PM
Day job? Family? But this is N gauge!!!

NN, i think it depends if you get your print in frosted ultra detail or white soft flexible. I'd suggest that with FUD you will need to be pretty careful (and is more £££), but WSF is much more forgiving (and cheaper) but less crisp in its detail.  :uneasy: :confused2:

I've seen the FUD version and it is a thing of beauty close up. :heart2: :drool: :thumbsup: I doubt it is too difficult to gently ease the wheelsets in, but I suspect budget will be a big determining factor for most of us in the choice of print too.  ??? :confused1: :worried:

FUD can be gently softened in warm/hot water, enough to get a wheel into a bogie if you are careful.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Mustermark on May 03, 2016, 12:40:53 AM
Good tip.  :thankyousign:
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on May 08, 2016, 08:24:54 PM

Ok as promised here are the latest photos of the main part of the crane painted.

I first tried to use Humbrol RC 407 Acrylic but that turned out to be too 'orangey', so I then used Railmatch 2304 Warning Panel Yellow, Pre-84, hopefully it looks right!!

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/1/thumb_39299.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39299)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/1/thumb_39300.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39300)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/1/thumb_39301.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39301)

Next is to work out where all the necessarty parts on the etch go  :worried: :worried:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/1/thumb_39298.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39298)

Regards

Neal
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on May 08, 2016, 08:47:36 PM

A quick recap on what I've had to do to my version of the kit, kindly supplied by @RussellH (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1002)

I had to slightly drill out the material to accept Parkside Dundas bearing cups, using a 0.8mm drill. The bearing cups where then gently push fit into the holes and glued from the outside of the Chassis, with a small, and I mean small, dab of superglue.

I then had to carefully file the point on the Farish axles to get them to fit, keep trying to fit them and file a bit, then refit and file and so on and so on, until you get the fit required, I used Farish Coach wheels on mine although you can use Parkside Dundas ones, but I have no experience of how good a fit they are. On the Crane Chssis, the centre wheels do not have any cups which allows the centre wheels to in effect float, these axles 'click' into the chassis, so be careful when reaming out the channel for the axles to sit in that you don't take any material from the top of the channel, see photo below.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/2/thumb_39021.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39021)

I also had to ream out a bit of material at the rear of the smaller runner wagons to get the wheels to rotate properly, although I believe that has been cured on later versions of the kit.

Fitting Rapido couplings and springs was dead easy and they fitted first time.

The hole for the Jib support on the large Runner needs reaming out as it is too tight for the Support to drop straight in and rotate freely.

To support the Jib into the crane I used some 1mm steel wire, I actually used the wire that Florists use and got 40 lengths for about £1.50, so I've got more than I'll ever need. Your choice here, you can either drill out the holes in the bottom of the Jib and then glue the wire into place on the Crane superstructure or just leave it as a tight push fit. I've gone down the latter route and so far seems to be fine.

I really need to test run it now before I move on to getting my head around the Etched Parts, for which I'll need some decent photgraphs to work out what they are and where they go, to help with that I've found the following website photo albums:

http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/index.php/Cowans-Sheldon/ADRC96700-Album (http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/index.php/Cowans-Sheldon/ADRC96700-Album)
http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/index.php/Cowans-Sheldon/ADRC96701?page=1 (http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/index.php/Cowans-Sheldon/ADRC96701?page=1)
http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/index.php/Cowans-Sheldon/ADRC96703-Album (http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/index.php/Cowans-Sheldon/ADRC96703-Album)

For those who want to build the Steam Version, this is a cracking picture of the winding mechanism:

http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/index.php/Cowans-Sheldon/ADRC95222-Album/bridlington5-12-12-82 (http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/index.php/Cowans-Sheldon/ADRC95222-Album/bridlington5-12-12-82)

Also note the date it proves that not all the Cranes where converted in the 70's, some Steam ones lasted into the 80's. Now I'm confused, does that mean I'll need 2 of them  :confused1: :confused1:

Hopefully this all helps for when the Crane is released.

Regards

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on May 08, 2016, 09:42:24 PM
NN, i think it depends if you get your print in frosted ultra detail or white soft flexible. I'd suggest that with FUD you will need to be pretty careful (and is more £££), but WSF is much more forgiving (and cheaper) but less crisp in its detail.  :uneasy: :confused2:

I've seen the FUD version and it is a thing of beauty close up. :heart2: :drool: :thumbsup: I doubt it is too difficult to gently ease the wheelsets in, but I suspect budget will be a big determining factor for most of us in the choice of print too.  ??? :confused1: :worried:
Thanks for that, Neal. How flexible is the material please? Some cack-handed pillock like me would probably snap bits off when trying to fit the wheel axles into the boxes :-[

Mick,

As Muster mark says, the material the test build crane is in is the cheaper SLS and so is 'flexible' to a degree, well certainly flexible enough to allow enough 'give' to ease axles in anyway.

The more expensive FUD option however is far more 'brittle', which has meant that Russ has had to redesign the chassis for the Crane and the Runner wagons to come in 2 halves to allow the axles to be fitted easily.

Also as Mustermark eludes too 'you pays your money and you takes your chances' The SLS version is cheaper but is less 'crisp' on the details, but is also more forgiving when assembling the kit, whereas the FUD version is expensive but is more 'crisp' on the finer details and is also more 'brittle' so extra care is needed when assembling the kit.

Don't ask me for prices yet as I don't know, I have been given a ball park figure of around £50 for the SLS version, including the etch and around £150 for the FUD version including the etch, but for either kit you'll have to find your own wheels and couplings + bearings and whatever you decide to use for the cabling. Oh and paint  ;) ;)

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Neal.

P.S. Mick, you really shouldn't have too much trouble with it   :D :D
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: robert shrives on May 09, 2016, 07:13:04 AM
Hi ,
good progress and great to see another painted one on its way. I can see me saving up got the FUD version- several bits I have are much cleaner for it over WSF. The etch looks mighty fine as well. Really looking forward to this arriving soonish.
regards and a big thanks to all involved.
Robert
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on May 09, 2016, 10:27:35 AM
For those who want to build the Steam Version, this is a cracking picture of the winding mechanism:

[url]http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/index.php/Cowans-Sheldon/ADRC95222-Album/bridlington5-12-12-82[/url] ([url]http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/index.php/Cowans-Sheldon/ADRC95222-Album/bridlington5-12-12-82[/url])

Also note the date it proves that not all the Cranes where converted in the 70's, some Steam ones lasted into the 80's. Now I'm confused, does that mean I'll need 2 of them  :confused1: :confused1:


That's a 45 ton crane.  ;)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on May 09, 2016, 10:50:51 AM
For those who want to build the Steam Version, this is a cracking picture of the winding mechanism:

[url]http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/index.php/Cowans-Sheldon/ADRC95222-Album/bridlington5-12-12-82[/url] ([url]http://www.bdca.org.uk/gallery/index.php/Cowans-Sheldon/ADRC95222-Album/bridlington5-12-12-82[/url])

Also note the date it proves that not all the Cranes where converted in the 70's, some Steam ones lasted into the 80's. Now I'm confused, does that mean I'll need 2 of them  :confused1: :confused1:


That's a 45 ton crane.  ;)


Yes I know, but the winding mechanism looks the same.

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on May 09, 2016, 11:06:32 AM
What I mean is that the steam crane in the picture of 1982 is not a 75t, and that all of the 75t's were converted by 1978, so you won't need two versions.  Unless I've misunderstood?!  I think they'll look great as a pair though, and hopefully I'll be in a position to afford two of them.  :)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on May 22, 2016, 09:50:45 PM

Ok for those not on Facebook, here are some photos of the process so far.

Whilst at Stowrail16 in Stow-on-the-Wold I managed to make a start on putting some of the etches on, mainly the winder support arms from the Cab end and the Crane end and the Cab roof.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/0/thumb_39918.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39918)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/0/thumb_39919.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39919)

The eagle- eyed amongst you will notice 2 white pieces on the Runners in the 1st photo, these are covers for the end of the A-Frames where it mounts onto the runners, they are present on the prototype, but I have a dilemma, Do I add them???

As they are there on the Prototype the rivet counter in me says "They have to be there" but this throws up a couple of problems,

1: If I glue them in place on the Runner Wagons, then the whole crane chassis (except the Jib runner) will need to be lifted on/off the layout in 1 piece, which is not ideal with all those wheels  :worried: :worried:
2: Glue them to the top of the A-Frame where it meets the Runners, but this would them restrict the swinging movement of the A-Frames, causing issues going round corners. Or lastly, just leave them off, I wonder how many people would notice. Everyone on here would notice now I've mentioned it  :doh: :doh:

So what do I do  :hmmm: :hmmm:

Here is an overall shot of the Crane as it stands at present:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/0/thumb_39917.jpg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39917)

Oh by the way, it didn't take me all day just to add those few bits, I had to fettle the wheels a bit to make it run smoothly. Which entailed just taking a bit more of the spike of the end of the axles with a file and dremelling out a bit more material from the underside of the Runner wagons near the Coupling pocket. I can't give an exact measurement of how much, but it was a gnats hair above a smidgeon  ;) ;)

More progress soon, hopefully, once I've worked out where all the rest of bits on the etch go  :hmmm: :hmmm: But it looks like I'm mainly down to Ladders and Brake wheels now, oh yes and adding some black cotton to represent the cables.

Regards

Neal.

P.S. Will need decals soon  :D :D
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: bridgiesimon on May 22, 2016, 11:47:30 PM
Looking really good, I understand the white blockie thingies issue - real problem that one! Can they be made on posts to sit into holes on the chassis or anything like that? would be removeable but not affecting the swing.

simon
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on May 23, 2016, 10:42:51 AM
Great work, very exciting indeed.  :)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Ben A on May 23, 2016, 07:57:30 PM

Hi there,

Nice job with the crane.

I think creating pegs and alignment holes to fix the white blocks in position sounds like a good idea.

If you hold them in position, then drill through from the underside, you will create alignment holes without damaging the visible top of the blocks.  A small length of plasticard rod or wire pushed into position from below, and fixed in place with a drop of cyano on the runner wagon, will enable you to lift off and replace them when required.

A simpler solution would be to secure with small squares of double-sided tape, or tacky-wax.

cheers

Ben A.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on May 23, 2016, 08:53:30 PM
Hi Guys

SLS is totally fine for flex for fitting the wheels - even with the slab sides - FUD isnt so the chassis are all now in halves.

Mm is correct...
NN, i think it depends if you get your print in frosted ultra detail or white soft flexible. I'd suggest that with FUD you will need to be pretty careful (and is more £££), but WSF is much more forgiving (and cheaper) but less crisp in its detail.   :uneasy:  :confused2:

So you'll be able to order it in either version or maybe a combination of both - SLS/WSF bottom with FUD top half.

You can ping the wheels into FUD with care without any softening (we did this on the scrap wagons) but it involves fitting each top hat bearing into a recess until the correct fit is achieved  - BUT - the slab sides of the main crane chassis are a total slab - there is no give at all, no flex or anything. Hence the two halves contruction.

Bearing in mind Neals building what was one of the prototypes most of the issues hes found have already been solved but it helped us know that so far hes only found what we have.

We've not yet looked at the issue of how to fit the travelling centre wheels into the chassis on the fud version as click fit wont work. Its probably going to be a SLS/WSF block to glue in. Theres even a though - as you cant see them you might not want to fit them at all - your choice.

Neal's dilemmaÖ(runner wagon parts)
As they are there on the Prototype the rivet counter in me says "They have to be there" but this throws up a couple of problems,

1: If I glue them in place on the Runner Wagons, then the whole crane chassis (except the Jib runner) will need to be lifted on/off the layout in 1 piece, which is not ideal with all those wheels   :worried:  :worried:
2: Glue them to the top of the A-Frame where it meets the Runners, but this would them restrict the swinging movement of the A-Frames, causing issues going round corners. Or lastly, just leave them off, I wonder how many people would notice. Everyone on here would notice now I've mentioned it   :doh:  :doh:


You can have them attached to the A frame section (chop of a bit off width and glue to a frame section) so they pivot with the frame and this makes the runner wagons removable. (Almost like the old red hornby OO version)
OR
You can fit them as intended which captures the pin of the a frame in position in the runner wagon and as such makes the whole crane one piece - 8 axles to get on the track in one go - 2 of which you can even see. You have no idea how much fun that is - so before you glue them in you need to try it out for yourself.

Best way is to leave it like it is which leaves the choice with you individually - both ways are possible.  Or even - leave them out - no ones noticed so far. Pop back through this thread and have a look at the video of it running.

Eventually there will be some progress from me at some point and we'll see if the new material shapeways has to offer represents any benefit or just adds to the confusion.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Snowwolflair on May 23, 2016, 10:03:02 PM
A thought on wheels and wear.

I have found, and have also had it confirmed that FUD wears badly as a bearing for wheels.  The pin points just drill into it.

I have found that if you drill out the axle boxes and insert brass tubes with bearing cups soldered on the ends you can get the wheels into FUD castings without stressing the plastic and then push in the bearings on either side until you get free spinning wheels.  A dab of superglue and a quick file and you have very free bearings.

I'm going to be doing some more soon so I will post photos when I do them.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on May 23, 2016, 10:51:12 PM


Mmm some good ideas there from Ben, Simon and Russ with reference to the 'white blocks' for me to ponder on, I'll have to have a good look at them and see which one works. Another option could be to chop off the piece that slots into the wagon and just have the cover glued onto the top of the A-Frame, that might work  :hmmm: :hmmm:

I would say though, that whatever solution is used would have to be permanent, other wise those small pieces 'will' be lost, guaranteed....

Oh Well, I'll have a play and report back in due course.

Regards

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on May 24, 2016, 12:02:11 AM
A thought on wheels and wear.

I have found, and have also had it confirmed that FUD wears badly as a bearing for wheels.  The pin points just drill into it.

I have found that if you drill out the axle boxes and insert brass tubes with bearing cups soldered on the ends you can get the wheels into FUD castings without stressing the plastic and then push in the bearings on either side until you get free spinning wheels.  A dab of superglue and a quick file and you have very free bearings.

I'm going to be doing some more soon so I will post photos when I do them.

We already knew about the FUD wear and the entire crane (and all our FUD stuff) is already set up to use parkside pinpoint bearing cups - but - the use of brass tube and sliding the bearings in from the outside is so simple and effective its got to be of use here and in any FUD kit to simplify the build. In fact Im wondering if we can do away with the bearings (have you seen how small and fiddly they are) and just use brass tube on its own as a bearing. Nice one! :thankyousign:

Regards
Russ



Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Snowwolflair on May 24, 2016, 12:11:00 AM
A thought on wheels and wear.

I have found, and have also had it confirmed that FUD wears badly as a bearing for wheels.  The pin points just drill into it.

I have found that if you drill out the axle boxes and insert brass tubes with bearing cups soldered on the ends you can get the wheels into FUD castings without stressing the plastic and then push in the bearings on either side until you get free spinning wheels.  A dab of superglue and a quick file and you have very free bearings.

I'm going to be doing some more soon so I will post photos when I do them.

We already knew about the FUD wear and the entire crane (and all our FUD stuff) is already set up to use parkside pinpoint bearing cups - but - the use of brass tube and sliding the bearings in from the outside is so simple and effective its got to be of use here and in any FUD kit to simplify the build. In fact Im wondering if we can do away with the bearings (have you seen how small and fiddly they are) and just use brass tube on its own as a bearing. Nice one! :thankyousign:

Regards
Russ

Tried that, you do need the cups.  Making the ends is easy but you need solder paste, then assemble then touch heat with soldering iron.

If you could accurately print the holes for the tubes, that would make a big difference as drilling them correctly is the hard part.

You can also get grub screw threads with the cup built into the end, they are used in clock making.  Not tried them though
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Snowwolflair on May 24, 2016, 12:17:45 AM
Here we go.  Cup point grub screws - 1.6mm thread diameter 2mm long

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M1-6-M2-M2-5-M3-A2-STAINLESS-GRUB-SCREWS-CUP-POINT-HEX-SOCKET-SET-SCREW-DIN-916-/321247066609?var=&hash=item4acbd139f1:m:mEhycOtwz-k8anFRirwVdmw (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M1-6-M2-M2-5-M3-A2-STAINLESS-GRUB-SCREWS-CUP-POINT-HEX-SOCKET-SET-SCREW-DIN-916-/321247066609?var=&hash=item4acbd139f1:m:mEhycOtwz-k8anFRirwVdmw)

Looks like these

(Sorry, but you are not allowed to access the gallery)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on May 24, 2016, 12:57:07 AM
Strangely enough we were just discussing that here tonight - cup ended grub screws!

The holes can easily be printed correct size and are already right through etc but not sure we can do threads.

Still wonder if it was a fine enough tube - the push fit would be simpler for all experience levels to manage.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Snowwolflair on May 24, 2016, 01:01:06 AM
As I said I have a few bogies to do so I have ordered up a few to try.  I have an M1.6 tap and the holes need to be 1.25mm.

I will post results when they are done.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on June 04, 2016, 11:28:20 PM

The chaps on Deansmoor kindly accepted the offer and ran the Crane on their layout today at DEMU Showcase. We did come across an issue, as I thought we would, in the the Jib catches on the side of the Jib Runner when going round 1st Radius curves, the solution?? A bit of bluetack to push the jib cradle up a bit, this allowed it to work well.

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/619-040616124224.jpeg (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/619-040616124224.jpeg)

http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/619-040616124329.jpeg (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/40/619-040616124329.jpeg)

I do have some video, but I'll upload that later.

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on June 05, 2016, 09:21:04 AM

Have now managed to upload some video  :D :D

http://youtu.be/lngyauG-QGY (http://youtu.be/lngyauG-QGY)

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on June 27, 2016, 08:21:55 PM
Strangely enough we were just discussing that here tonight - cup ended grub screws!

The holes can easily be printed correct size and are already right through etc but not sure we can do threads.

Still wonder if it was a fine enough tube - the push fit would be simpler for all experience levels to manage.

Regards
Russ

Hi Guys,
Grub screws arrived and a quick bit of measuring shows the cup where the pinpoint of the axles will sit is at best only 0.2mm deep - I don't think that's sufficiently deep for reliable operation. That coupled with the expenditure on an M1.6mm tap and 0.7mm Allen key coupled with the risks involved in tapping FUD I cant see this working for most.

Onto brass tubes as bearings - I had high hopes of this and it seemed such a good idea until I tried to figure out how your supposed to chop off small (2mm long) sections of tube to use as bearings without crushing the tube etc, Doesn't fit in with the plan we have for this to be a relatively easy build.

So its back to a split chassis's and parkside bearings - it works if a tad fiddly. Only required the use of a drill bit/countersink and a small round file.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: mickd247 on June 28, 2016, 09:53:45 AM
Hi Russ

Thanks for the update concerning the bearing cups for the chassis, which from what I have previously read in the posts relates to the FUD chassis. 

As I will probably opt for the SLS chassis and FUD top half any idea when this might be available for purchase.

 :beers:

Mick
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Snowwolflair on June 28, 2016, 09:59:30 AM
Quote
it seemed such a good idea until I tried to figure out how your supposed to chop off small (2mm long) sections of tube to use as bearings without crushing the tube etc

Once the cup is soldered on the end the tube is cut by rolling it with a very sharp scalpel creating a groove.  It then can just be snapped off.  It does take skill and practice and probably beyond most.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on June 28, 2016, 12:41:33 PM
Quote
it seemed such a good idea until I tried to figure out how your supposed to chop off small (2mm long) sections of tube to use as bearings without crushing the tube etc

Once the cup is soldered on the end the tube is cut by rolling it with a very sharp scalpel creating a groove.  It then can just be snapped off.  It does take skill and practice and probably beyond most.

Well that makes sense - ought to work with the chassis like it is as there are holes right through at each axle location (except the two centre ones onthemain crane).

As for availability - you'll see it here first. I am working on it step by step again.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: zwilnik on June 28, 2016, 02:18:40 PM
Quote
it seemed such a good idea until I tried to figure out how your supposed to chop off small (2mm long) sections of tube to use as bearings without crushing the tube etc

Once the cup is soldered on the end the tube is cut by rolling it with a very sharp scalpel creating a groove.  It then can just be snapped off.  It does take skill and practice and probably beyond most.

or put a wire through the tube that fills it. Then just razor saw through both (or rolling with the razor saw to just cut through the tube)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: porkie on October 06, 2016, 12:08:23 AM
Any updates yet fella
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on October 06, 2016, 06:45:20 AM
Over to Russ on that.  :)  I know he's very busy with work.  I'm waiting for a model that I can send to Realtec and get these pesky decals made!
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on October 06, 2016, 12:18:01 PM
Over to Russ on that.  :)  I know he's very busy with work.  I'm waiting for a model that I can send to Realtec and get these pesky decals made!

And I'm waiting for the decals so I can complete the test build model  ;) ;), which is pretty much done and dusted, just got the final details to add, but I thought I'd add the decals first in case I have to try and slip them behind a brake wheel or something.

I'll pop up a photo later as I'm at work and it's on my home PC.

In all seriousness Tank, have you got the artwork for the decals?? Or are you just waiting for dimensions??

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on October 06, 2016, 09:36:41 PM

As I said earlier, here are the latest pictures of the Crane:

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/619-061016212525.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/619-061016212733.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/619-061016212956.jpeg)
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/44/619-061016213131.jpeg)

the only issue in running that I've come across so far, is that it won't quite go round the tight curves on HHC, but that is only 1 of the small runners causing a bit of an issue, which I think I can easily resolve. I'll try and get it done for Cardiff next weekend.

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on October 07, 2016, 07:45:32 AM
Looks great Neal.  :)

I sent the 3D pictures of the model off to Railtec, with a 1mm grid for reference.  He seemed happy with that at first, but would like an actual model to use.  I've sent him about 40 photo's of the various 'yellow' liveries that I've found online, and negatives that I've bought.  The older 'steam era' liveries are hard to come across, so I've sent the handful of pictures for these also.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: oversetts models on November 18, 2016, 07:00:17 PM
That looks lovely excellent work
Cheers
Bob
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: mickd247 on November 19, 2016, 10:15:08 AM
Hi Russ

How are things progressing, no update since June, with this crane still riding very high on the "wish list" for a lot of people, for me personally it's number one and would really like one very soon. Any news.

 :beers:

Mick
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on November 21, 2016, 05:09:24 PM
Hi Russ

How are things progressing, no update since June, with this crane still riding very high on the "wish list" for a lot of people, for me personally it's number one and would really like one very soon. Any news.

 :beers:

Mick

Mick,

There have been updates form me as I've been building the test kit, but during this build I've come across a couple of issues and these have been fed back to Russ who, in between work and family, will be introducing some changes to the final designs.

The issues I've come across are mainly superficial detailing, but there is one change on the Jib runner that we've come across that does need a design change, but as with all these sort of things, depends on which prototype you look at  :worried: :worried:

I general terms the Crane has gone together quite easily without many alterations from me and so should be fairly easy for the 'average' modeller to complete (I hate the term 'average modeller') the biggest problem is the Jib hitting the side of the Jib runner on tight Curves, I've had it going round 12" no problems, but anything tighter causes derailments, this can be rectified in one of two ways:

1. Cut out a bit of the side of the Jib Runner - Not prototypical (possibly :worried: )
2. Raise the jib slightly to clear the side - you then have to watch out for Gauging clearances.

Ultimately we're also waiting for the decals to be produced by Railtec, but hopefully that'll be solved soon.

Hope this is acceptable as an update??

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on November 21, 2016, 05:18:11 PM
Ultimately we're also waiting for the decals to be produced by Railtec, but hopefully that'll be solved soon.

To which I can't get any further with without a model!  :D
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: robert shrives on November 21, 2016, 07:37:08 PM
Gents,
Thanks for news certainly the pics look the part and Steve will produce some great transfers I am certain. look forward to a new year for release.

hope running issue works out - Is reducing crane head a possible way to gain clearance if you were to lift jib a fraction to get over runner sides  or do you reduce runner a tad ?
cheers
Robert   
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on November 21, 2016, 07:50:53 PM
Ultimately we're also waiting for the decals to be produced by Railtec, but hopefully that'll be solved soon.

To which I can't get any further with without a model!  :D

Chris - Did I not send you a full set of scaled drawings? thats much more accurate than measuring from any model?

I also emailed railtec on both the address's I have - no reply.

Yes were waiting on me to get measurements sorted but theres only so much I can do between family and a full time job and ashed load of other stuff going on.

Does anyone know what the new shapeways HDA resin is like for bearing wear (will it support pinpoint axles without significant wear)  - it would make the construction of the kit for the novice alot easier if it was any good as we could ditch the parkside bearings. Please, no theories or thoughts - just info from anyone that has actually tried it??

Considering the work and effort that goes into the design and engineering, wonder if its all going to be worth it when we get so few bother to make the kits - going by how many built a MPV, RHTT or class 92 - if its not RTR these days it doesnt sell at all well.

Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Snowwolflair on November 21, 2016, 08:21:34 PM
Russ

As someone who has the MPV, RHTT and class 92, might I propose that it is time to release what you have with a "For experienced builder" tag.  :)

My rational is that it will never be a beginner model and in practice its a kit builder special, and we kit builders can generally solve most problems.  If not we will share solutions in the forum.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on November 21, 2016, 09:04:42 PM
Once I can get it to go round "reasonable"corners we'll see (jib lenght vs the end of the wagon)

We had to split the chassis to enable its use for FUD (as its not flexible enough to allow the insertion of wheels)

FUD also requires the use of bearings - they are so tiny I can see this one thing crippling the ability to built it so Im really hoping that HDA will solve this problem. Without bearings and some flexinility each wagon can be a one piece item so long as it doesnt wear like FUD does then thats the hi res version sorted.

Russ

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: PaulCheffus on November 21, 2016, 10:04:34 PM
Hi

I'm quite happy to build kits however the problem with all these for me is the surface finish. I have yet to see a 3D print that I would find acceptable.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Snowwolflair on November 21, 2016, 10:13:07 PM
If you take your time they turn out very well.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/3761-300716213802.jpeg) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42430)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: PaulCheffus on November 21, 2016, 10:27:42 PM
If you take your time they turn out very well.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/42/3761-300716213802.jpeg[/url]) ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42430[/url])


Hi

You have made a good job of that but take for example the VIX Ferry Van you cannot clean up the rough finish due to the detail on the sides.

For me until 3D printing can match at least the resin finish it's not for me.

Cheers

Paul
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Snowwolflair on November 22, 2016, 04:03:43 AM
The trick is never use a file or sandpaper as it roughens the surface, like stroking a cat the wrong way!

I use a fiberglass pen to burnish the surface smooth.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on November 22, 2016, 09:25:06 AM
Hi

I'm quite happy to build kits however the problem with all these for me is the surface finish. I have yet to see a 3D print that I would find acceptable.

Cheers

Paul

Hi Paul

Yes your right - the surface finish isnt as smooth as anyone would wish - SLS is rough but no layers and FUD is smooth with layering. Hence why I have hopes for HDA - its alot smoother and if its easily sandable (yet to try) and if it doesnt wear then we may have a good material after all these years.

The 92 kit was cast from a 16 micron master and this still had layering lines however the resin was easier to sand so it was down to cycles of sanding and painting to get a smooth look - and that was achievable.

Fingers crossed for HDA testing

Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: anselm on November 22, 2016, 05:09:21 PM
Apologies if you have already posted this - but will the crane be on display at Warley?

Ian
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on November 22, 2016, 06:42:42 PM
Apologies if you have already posted this - but will the crane be on display at Warley?

Ian

Ian,

Alas no, as I'm not going to Warley this year and neither is Russ, well not as exhibitors anyway.

Regards

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: NOE 544R on January 17, 2017, 10:52:16 PM
I've only just found this, but I'm sitting here  :drool: ! This looks absolutely amazing. I'd love one!
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on February 22, 2017, 07:36:54 AM
Brief Update:-

As many will know we have full time jobs and families, so despite a speedy start things in the real world have slowed this down.

What's holding us up at the moment?
Some tweaks need doing to the jib area and a couple of other parts to enable it to take the curves a little better.  We have a working model which has shown us some areas for improvement.

The work needed to go from the SLS version (cheaper, less detail on the prints) to the FUD version (more expensive, better detailing) is quite vast.  So, we'll be concentrating on the SLS version first.

Decals from Railtec.  Steve wants a model so that he can get the decals to the correct sizes.  This will mean a delay, so we'll release the model before these are finished and members can buy those direct.

Thanks for your patience!
Chris.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on February 23, 2017, 12:50:07 PM
Hi Guys,

Thought Id share this with you. ( I know it been quite but thing shave been going on behind the scenes, not as often as Id like but it not dead yet)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/48/1002-230217123613.jpeg)

I was rather hoping that HDA might be the way forward in terms of bearing wear (so we dont need to fit parkside (or any) pinpoint bearings which are very fiddly and a fair bit of fettling is required to get a good fit. And HDA is much less brittle - but - this turned up on one back of HDA test pieces - what a nightmare - support structure marks all over the place and only one some of the pieces - note one of the adjacent couplers is unaffected. With random nightmares like this Im not sure on the usability of this material on complex parts - would you want to clean up a detailed section when its affected like this? I wouldn't.

Meanwhile...
1) all the design changes that were done to the high detail version are being matched to the one piece SLS version. and thats our current target to get it out and about.
2) then were looking at casting the high detail chassis from a FXD print in a suitable resin that does not wear like FUD where pinpoint bearing apparently wear through it quickly.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: mickd247 on February 23, 2017, 01:07:53 PM
Hi Russ

Surprised by the condition of the HDA samples in your picture, especially as the KFA headstocks ordered, (both types) have been very clean, I had planned to ask you if you could to produce some 1.50 mm tight heads in HDA for me, but looking at these samples, maybe not! Unless of course this is just a one off bad print that you have received ??? You can never be sure with Shapeways.  Apologies for going OT.

Looking forward to the crane being available as soon as possible, even if only a SLS version to start with. I was always considering the SLS chassis with FUD top bodywork anyway, any chance of this still being an option to begin with ???

 :beers:

Mick
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on February 23, 2017, 01:17:16 PM
even if only a SLS version to start with. I was always considering the SLS chassis with FUD top bodywork anyway, any chance of this still being an option to begin with ???

Hi Mick
Thats was one of the plans from the very start - Not sure yet if the sls chassis will be from shapeways - they may choose to reject them for detail reasons etc in which case 3Dprint UK will get the job.

See how we get on with the next batch when printed.

Strangely the KFA headstocks have all come out fine - so far. The freighliner kits and rapido coupler strips randomly suffer these support marks in HDA but both are find in FUD - and we do 1.5mm shaft tight head rapidos in HDA and FUD materials!

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 23, 2017, 01:20:09 PM
even if only a SLS version to start with. I was always considering the SLS chassis with FUD top bodywork anyway, any chance of this still being an option to begin with ???

Hi Mick
Thats was one of the plans from the very start - Not sure yet if the sls chassis will be from shapeways - they may choose to reject them for detail reasons etc in which case 3Dprint UK will get the job.

See how we get on with the next batch when printed.

Regards
Russ

Will there be an all FUD, or High Def FUD option for those of us happy to sort out our own wheel bearings etc.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: mickd247 on February 23, 2017, 01:38:01 PM
even if only a SLS version to start with. I was always considering the SLS chassis with FUD top bodywork anyway, any chance of this still being an option to begin with ???

Hi Mick
Thats was one of the plans from the very start - Not sure yet if the sls chassis will be from shapeways - they may choose to reject them for detail reasons etc in which case 3Dprint UK will get the job.

See how we get on with the next batch when printed.

Strangely the KFA headstocks have all come out fine - so far. The freighliner kits and rapido coupler strips randomly suffer these support marks in HDA but both are find in FUD - and we do 1.5mm shaft tight head rapidos in HDA and FUD materials!

Regards
Russ

Hi Russ

Thanks for the update, according to Shapeways 1.5mm shaft tight head rapidos are only shown as FUD, I already have these, but have so far broken quite a few (to say the least) when fitting!!!  HDA is not shown as an option.

As far as the crane parts are concerned I don't care who actually prints them, just impatient to get my hands on one!!

 :beers:

Mick
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: mickd247 on February 23, 2017, 01:39:55 PM
even if only a SLS version to start with. I was always considering the SLS chassis with FUD top bodywork anyway, any chance of this still being an option to begin with ???


Hi Mick
Thats was one of the plans from the very start - Not sure yet if the sls chassis will be from shapeways - they may choose to reject them for detail reasons etc in which case 3Dprint UK will get the job.

See how we get on with the next batch when printed.

Regards
Russ


Will there be an all FUD, or High Def FUD option for those of us happy to sort out our own wheel bearings etc.


See reply 249 above by @Tank (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2)

 :beers:

Mick

Sorry duff gen!!  See reply 279 by @Tank (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on February 23, 2017, 01:49:21 PM
Will there be an all FUD, or High Def FUD option for those of us happy to sort out our own wheel bearings etc.

No reason why not - thats the version that will be set up for using the parkside top hats, 2 or 3 piece chassis etc. Hours of fun!
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Snowwolflair on February 23, 2017, 02:02:48 PM
Will there be an all FUD, or High Def FUD option for those of us happy to sort out our own wheel bearings etc.

No reason why not - thats the version that will be set up for using the parkside top hats, 2 or 3 piece chassis etc. Hours of fun!

good look forward to it being available
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: porkie on February 24, 2017, 11:45:12 AM
I can't wait either 😀
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RailGooner on February 24, 2017, 12:10:46 PM
even if only a SLS version to start with. I was always considering the SLS chassis with FUD top bodywork anyway, any chance of this still being an option to begin with ???


Hi Mick
Thats was one of the plans from the very start - Not sure yet if the sls chassis will be from shapeways - they may choose to reject them for detail reasons etc in which case 3Dprint UK will get the job.

See how we get on with the next batch when printed.

Regards
Russ


Will there be an all FUD, or High Def FUD option for those of us happy to sort out our own wheel bearings etc.


See reply 249 above by @Tank ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2[/url])

 :beers:

Mick

Sorry duff gen!!  See reply 279 by @Tank ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2[/url])


 ??? ę Reply #279 on: January 17, 2017, 10:52:16 pm Ľ ???
I've only just found this, but I'm sitting here  :drool: ! This looks absolutely amazing. I'd love one!


Have another go Mick.  :D
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: mickd247 on February 24, 2017, 01:18:02 PM
Spooky

On my laptop the post by NOE 544R is reply #278 and reply #279 is definitely the @Tank (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2) update. Life's a mystery.

 :beers:

Mick
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RailGooner on February 24, 2017, 01:39:52 PM
Life is simple. The forum is a mystery!  :beers:
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on April 11, 2017, 04:17:42 PM


For those of you not on Twitface or whatever it's called, here's the video of the Crane I uploaded over the weekend.



The kato track has curves of 9 3/4" and although it did uncouple a couple of times, more my cackhandedness with the couplings than the wagons themselves  ;) ;) it trundled round all day on Sunday.

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: bridgiesimon on April 11, 2017, 07:35:53 PM
That is looking very good although a little too clean - tis a lot of yellow in one place (I know tis a work in progress) hehehe.

Best wishes
Simon
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on April 11, 2017, 07:50:11 PM

Simon,

I think the yellow I've used doesn't look right. It was Railmatch pre-1985 Warning Panel Yellow, I picked up some Precision Paints Signal/Warning Panel pre-1985 Yellow which I'll try over the top, mind you I think I should've put an undercoat on first.

Alex McGettigan on Facebook has suggested Revells Lufthansa Yellow.

Cheers

Neal
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Snowwolflair on April 11, 2017, 07:54:04 PM
Yes Lufthansa Yellow.
it's Got slight orangy hue
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on May 15, 2017, 12:59:41 PM

Another small update on the Crane and some extra bits.

I think I've found a yellow that is pretty close and that is Citadel Yriel Yellow, which is part of the Games Workshop range. The colour is not quite the same as the Farish version, but it's about the closest I can come up with and who's to say that the Farish version is the correct one  :hmmm: :hmmm: Anyway see what you guys think from the photo below.

I've also bashed some Farish coaches into a couple of Tool & generator vans to go with the Crane and the Farish BSK, although to my eye the new Farish BSK looks decidedly smaller than the older ones I used to turn into the Vans. Just got to get some transfers and then they're pretty much complete.

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/619-150517121821.jpeg)

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: robert shrives on May 15, 2017, 01:20:23 PM
Hi,
That looks very good and with a little grime will look the part and hopefully the model can hit the market !
As ever thanks to all concerned with this complicated project.  I expect that Bachmann will announce the RTR version with in days !!!!! 

Robert     
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: bridgiesimon on May 15, 2017, 05:49:30 PM
That is looking really good Neal!

Best wishes
Simon
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on May 15, 2017, 09:00:23 PM
Hi Neal

Any problems with any of the updated parts?

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on May 15, 2017, 10:24:19 PM
Hi Neal

Any problems with any of the updated parts?

Regards
Russ

Haven't started on it yet, now I've done the coaches ans waiting for transfers, it's next on the list.

Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on May 29, 2017, 03:28:21 PM

I've also bashed some Farish coaches into a couple of Tool & generator vans to go with the Crane and the Farish BSK, although to my eye the new Farish BSK looks decidedly smaller than the older ones I used to turn into the Vans. Just got to get some transfers and then they're pretty much complete.

([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/51/619-150517121821.jpeg[/url])

Cheers

Neal.


I seem to be having an issue getting some transfers for the Generator & Tool vans, the Chevrons and data panels are easy to get hold of from both Railtec and Fox, but it's the numbers for the Vans that I'm having issues with.

Railtec do this sheet http://www.railtec-models.com/showitem.php?id=1189 (http://www.railtec-models.com/showitem.php?id=1189) which they describe as "Re-railing, breakdown, tool van pack" but it doesn't contain any numbers  :unimpressed: :unimpressed:
Whereas Fox do this sheet https://fox-transfers.co.uk/transfers/departmental-standard-black-tops-numbering (https://fox-transfers.co.uk/transfers/departmental-standard-black-tops-numbering) (not that you can see any detail when you zoom in on it  :unimpressed: :unimpressed:  so if anyone has this sheet can they take a decent close up photo of it for me please??) Which I think does contain the correct ADB numbers for the Breakdown vehicles.

I've tried contacting Stev at Railtec, but so far had no response. I've just emailed Fox to see what he advises me.
Cheers

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Calnefoxile on June 04, 2017, 09:27:48 PM

This weekend saw me and the Crane attend DEMU Showcase in Burton-on-Trent. I tarted the crane around a bit showing it to various people and they all seemed impressed with it.

On Sunday it made an appearance on Lofthole Oil Terminal, courtesy of  Jon @PostModN66 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2671)  & Neal @Cooper (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=852)  where it, apparantly, didn't disgrace itself at all. Neal and Callum took some photo's and video, whcih I'm sure they'll post later on, but here's a quick video I took



On another front, whilst I was there Steve from Railtec was at Showcase and I managed to get a chat with him and we've discussed the best way forward to getting the decals produced for the Crane and after I've spoken to Russ, @RussellH (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1002) ,we will be trying to ensure that the decals will be ready soon.

Right just got to get some N Gauge Society kit stuff done, then I'll be onto the EP2 of the Crane hopefully next weekend, unless SWMBO has other plans for me  :D :D

Regards

Neal.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on June 04, 2017, 09:30:52 PM
Great to hear that you saw Steve.  Hopefully this will push it further forwards, as I was stuck without a model for him.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: robert shrives on June 05, 2017, 04:41:12 AM
Hi.
As one tarted at !! I can say crane looks the part and a great deal of thought has gone into how to get crane to both look and run well. With all good design its the details that make it.

A hollow jib and a cradle that holds jib head but allows for both longitudinal and lateral movement for our model curves is neatly achieved.

Given Steve`s desires for perfection at Railtec  I am certain that if a little longer is required to get decals to finish the job it will be more than worth it.

As always thanks to all in the group creating  this niche model .

Robert     
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on October 04, 2017, 07:41:38 AM
@RussellH (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1002)  Hi Russ, How is working progressing? Can we start selling for Christmas?!  :)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on October 04, 2017, 08:57:03 PM
@RussellH ([url]http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1002[/url])  Hi Russ, How is working progressing? Can we start selling for Christmas?!  :)


Hi Tank

Unlikely - Though we keep on trying. Not seen anything in the way of decals though - did you get anywhere with this?

Meanwhile a quick update on where we are...

Parkside sold up to peco so were in the process of doing a redesign to take different bearings. The new ones are going to make the crane vastly easier to build as the pocket for the pin point in nice and deep - a beautiful crisp clean turning job, much better what we had started out with. Iv just got some in and fitted to a runner and found theres work to be done to adapt to the new bearings.

We had already split the main crane chassis in 3 bits so the centre section that carries the middle pair of wheels (without pinpoints) will be printed in SLS and the outer frames (which is fairly well all you see of the cranes chassis) will be FUD or HDA. So you get detail where you need it, strength and durability underneath. Best compromise we can come up with. Other 3 wagons stay as single material all with bearings.

Can I add a big thanks to whoever it was that pointed Neal in the direction of the new bearings supplier while Neal was at TINS with V2.0 of the crane.

Other bits we still need to address...
etches - one piece roof, more half etch to ease the bend of the roof, revise & simplify etches.
"a" frame connection to the runner wagons
ballast tank - 2 part!
check top of jib height when travelling

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on October 05, 2017, 07:53:35 AM
Unlikely - Though we keep on trying. Not seen anything in the way of decals though - did you get anywhere with this?

Answer....  ;)

Decals from Railtec.  Steve wants a model so that he can get the decals to the correct sizes.  This will mean a delay, so we'll release the model before these are finished and members can buy those direct.

Glad to hear that work is progressing, and that you're managing to find solutions to problems.  Nobody ever wants to wait, but it's needed to make sure we have a good product!  :)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: mickd247 on February 27, 2018, 08:21:32 AM

@RussellH (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1002)   Hi Russ

How is the crane progressing, hopefully it will be available soon, any news.

Cheers  :beers:

Mick
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: PhilD on June 05, 2018, 01:38:17 AM
Can we have an update please. The last one was October last year and I've saved me pocket money for  this!
Cheers
Phil
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: kiwi1941 on June 05, 2018, 06:50:52 AM
Every time I see this title I think there's an availability date about to be announced.  :'(
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on June 05, 2018, 07:21:59 AM
Hi guys

One step closer!

Thanks to Steve at Railtec there are some crane decals available. They are not custom designed for this kit so no one knows about how well they fit - but its a big step in the right direction.....

http://www.railtec-models.com/showitem.php?id=3338 (http://www.railtec-models.com/showitem.php?id=3338)

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: robert shrives on June 05, 2018, 09:55:02 AM
Very tasty transfers ! looking forward to the day I finish the kit and the RTR one is announced ! 
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Railtec Transfers on June 05, 2018, 12:17:50 PM
Hi guys

One step closer!

Thanks to Steve at Railtec there are some crane decals available. They are not custom designed for this kit so no one knows about how well they fit - but its a big step in the right direction.....

[url]http://www.railtec-models.com/showitem.php?id=3338[/url] ([url]http://www.railtec-models.com/showitem.php?id=3338[/url])

Regards
Russ



Where possible, measurements for the detail have been taken from examples of the real thing. One thing I quickly realised when developing this pack is that the markings varied significantly from one example to another, and it's entirely possible that there may need to be a certain amount of modelling to achieve an exact replica to the specific crane being modelled.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Fardap on October 05, 2018, 02:22:46 PM
Is there a latest update on this? Last on was June.

Apologies to anyone who sees the topic and thinks it is an announcement though!

Steve

Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on October 06, 2018, 11:55:42 AM
Hi Steve & all,
Apologies for continued delays - just waiting for David to get back to normal after retirement.
Cant give a date or any further info other than we were in the process of splitting all the chassis to take the superior Nbrass bearings.
Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: robert shrives on October 06, 2018, 03:32:47 PM
Hi
Russell thanks for up date and chassis will be better for the bearings, looking forward to it - is it intended "we" obtain transfers direct from Steve at Railtec?

thanks again
Robert
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on October 06, 2018, 06:56:30 PM
Hi Roberet

"is it intended "we" obtain transfers direct from Steve at Railtec?"

I certainly hope so!!

In theory its only the etches that will be sent out direct from us on receipt of a valid shapeways order number.

Regards
Russ
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: robert shrives on October 06, 2018, 09:27:35 PM
Brilliant !

I will order some next time I am ordering and will stash away !

Robert 
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Snowwolflair on March 05, 2019, 08:40:07 PM
Any updates please.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on March 06, 2019, 08:29:47 PM
Thanks for the interest.  All out of my hands. I believe that 3DR are having some problems on a personal level, so this has been halted at the moment.  A great shame, as it's almost there. :(
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Fredastaire on December 13, 2019, 03:48:35 PM
May I ask if this project is now dead and buried just awaiting the headstone and wreath?

As the alternative does anybody know of a GEM or Skytrex white metal kit of this or similar crane to buy?
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Bob Tidbury on December 13, 2019, 09:40:22 PM
Osborn,s  Models do a R T R Crane look on their website .
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: robert shrives on December 13, 2019, 10:51:04 PM
Gents,
I wish this project seasonal joy and hope for completion in 2020, the works I have seen at shows in the last few years is truly excellent and given it is the work of two of the forum in spare time it has got so near .
It is worthy of note it is such a complex subject none of the regular suspects in rtr production have got one to market despite good votes in forum polls.   
So hopefully if we all wish on stars  etc.. we may be lucky
Robert 
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: ScottishModeller on December 13, 2019, 10:57:38 PM
Osborn,s  Models do a R T R Crane look on their website .
Bob Tidbury
Hi Bob,

Yes - RTR from Osborns - great model.

Just a shame it's for an older era.

Whereas...

This one is a lot more modern!

Thanks
Phil H
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Bob Tidbury on December 14, 2019, 09:29:22 AM
Sorry  ScottishModeller I know nothing about cranes other than they lift things up .
Bob Tidbury
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on December 14, 2019, 07:08:04 PM
@RussellH (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=1002)
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Railwaygun on December 14, 2019, 07:52:36 PM
And my latest 3d pipe dream a 144/148 scale Krupp D311 Doppellok to fit in with Dora and Leopold.


AKA the V188 - Rocco did green/red versions  in 1/160 and you can still find them at shows / eBay. - they complement the Lemke 1/160 Leopold Nicely.

https://www.modellbahn.com/37283.V188.html (https://www.modellbahn.com/37283.V188.html)

I have  2 in the Walli camouflage scheme ( grey with spaghetti!)

Iíve just noticed the date on this post - 2013!! Whereís my sonic screwdriver??
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Fredastaire on December 15, 2019, 12:10:25 AM
So.... its a dead project then.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: Tank on December 15, 2019, 12:27:55 AM
If Russell doesnít reply, then I guess so.
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: njee20 on December 15, 2019, 09:30:50 AM
He logged in last week, give the guy a chance!
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: bridgiesimon on December 15, 2019, 12:46:04 PM
Not dead yet, the designer has issues, please be patient guys. Russ is working nights.

Will be worth the wait.

Best wishes and Merry Christmas
Simon
Title: Re: NGF/3DR Cowans Sheldon Crane
Post by: RussellH on December 21, 2019, 09:18:40 AM
Hi Guys

Thanks for your patience and keeping a check on the thread etc

Simply, its not dead yet. Theres a little movement underway but not on the crane - warming up by finishing another simpler project to make it more printable.

I do check in occasionally and see how things are going on here so if there any specific question on this, repairs & electrics or anything else we do drop me a PM.

Regards
Russ
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