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Title: Deal or no deal?
Post by: Newportnobby on August 20, 2011, 03:53:18 PM
Took my Mum to her favourite antiques/collectables centre today and discovered a glass cabinet with some N gauge stuff. I came away with 8 Lima blood & custard coaches for 80. Hardly bargain of the century but I thought it was a fair price as they were all in good nick and will run with
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j454/nobbynewport/ModelRailwayMotivePower010.jpg)

In the same cabinet they had a Minitrix A4 but they wanted 95. No good to me as wrong location and it seemed a bit steep. There was also a Lima 4F for 30 but no one could tell me if it was a runner or not and the centre driving wheels seemed to be 'floating' is the best way I can describe it.
A selection of small private owner trucks made up the set but at 6 each I passed them by (way too expensive)
Thanks Mum :wave:
Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: Jonathan Clapp on August 20, 2011, 06:01:22 PM
Sounds like a good deal to me at about half the price of new stuff.
some people look down on the old Lima stuff, but I quite like them. I got one in an odd lot recently and now I'm seeking them out. Living as I do , over here they come in ridiculous American paint schemes that have to be replaced but that's an interesting challenge.
(http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac147/Jonathan_Clapp/limawat06.jpg)
I just bought two more for US$6 each.
Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: Dr Al on August 20, 2011, 07:40:38 PM
There was also a Lima 4F for 30 but no one could tell me if it was a runner or not and the centre driving wheels seemed to be 'floating' is the best way I can describe it.


That's normal - the centre wheels are meant to do this. But 30 is way steep for a Lima 4F..... :o

To be honest 80 for 8 Lima Mk1s is well steep too... :o - I'd be expecting to get 12 better quality Farish Mk1s for that money.

Cheers,
Alan
Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: Newportnobby on August 20, 2011, 10:22:56 PM
There was also a Lima 4F for 30 but no one could tell me if it was a runner or not and the centre driving wheels seemed to be 'floating' is the best way I can describe it.


To be honest 80 for 8 Lima Mk1s is well steep too... :o - I'd be expecting to get 12 better quality Farish Mk1s for that money.

Cheers,
Alan
I guess a fool and his money are soon parted :-[
Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: OwL on August 21, 2011, 02:37:52 AM
There was also a Lima 4F for 30 but no one could tell me if it was a runner or not and the centre driving wheels seemed to be 'floating' is the best way I can describe it.


To be honest 80 for 8 Lima Mk1s is well steep too... :o - I'd be expecting to get 12 better quality Farish Mk1s for that money.

Cheers,
Alan
I guess a fool and his money are soon parted :-[

NO- a fool and his money are soon PARTYING 8) (that's the true saying) :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: Dock Shunter on August 21, 2011, 08:04:55 AM
There was also a Lima 4F for 30 but no one could tell me if it was a runner or not and the centre driving wheels seemed to be 'floating' is the best way I can describe it.


To be honest 80 for 8 Lima Mk1s is well steep too... :o - I'd be expecting to get 12 better quality Farish Mk1s for that money.

Cheers,
Alan
I guess a fool and his money are soon parted :-[

NO- a fool and his money are soon PARTYING 8) (that's the true saying) :thumbsup:
          I agree with Owl......Mick you could have gone out on the lash last night and blew 80 quid
           and all you would have to show for it would be a hangover....OK you might have paid a little over the odds but at least you have something that will give you enjoyment for years to come. :thumbsup:
 Oh and an afternoon out with your mum.........Priceless..... ;D
Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: Newportnobby on August 21, 2011, 10:57:05 AM

           I agree with Owl......Mick you could have gone out on the lash last night and blew 80 quid
           and all you would have to show for it would be a hangover....OK you might have paid a little over the odds but at least you have something that will give you enjoyment for years to come. :thumbsup:
 Oh and an afternoon out with your mum.........Priceless..... ;D

Thanks D.S. and Dave. The fact is they were in excellent condition and will look great with my Minitrix Brit. I know 10 for a 2nd hand coach is a bit much but it's not often I come across something that fits my era/location.
As for going out on the lash and spending 80, at my age I think I would have got the maximum effect after 20 (icluding taxi home and chippy tea of course) :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: moogle on August 21, 2011, 01:01:29 PM
Actually if they were boxed 10 each is about the going rate.
Thats what you'll pay at any toy fair. Unboxed should be no more than 8 each.
The Lima MK1's are shorter than Farish or Minitrix as they are models of the 57' type intended for lines that had sharper curves.
The Blood & Custard ones are not as common as the Maroon and nowhere near as common as the BR blue & grey ones, despite what you may read on Ebay.
I've been looking for a Lima MK1 composite in BR Southern Region Green to complete a rake of 8 now for about 2 years.
Most of the ones I've found are boxed and asking similar money that you could get a new Farish one for! Hence I'm still looking  :smiley-laughing:
Overall I think you got a good deal.
The older coaches like these look good behind older locos as neither have the detail of their modern counterparts.

Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: EtchedPixels on August 21, 2011, 03:42:55 PM
The Lima MK1's are shorter than Farish or Minitrix as they are models of the 57' type intended for lines that had sharper curves.

No they are not.. they are just out of scale. The 57' coaches were the GUV and full brake, and then some suburbans. The current Farish suburbans are the 57' type for this purpose and the same as the ones that run for example on the Moorgate line (but they don't do them in badly faded blue grrr). The 57' suburbans used for St Pancras were different again although you can model these by moving the roof vents (and I suppose changing the numbers) on the Farish one.

I'm not sure why the full brake and GUV were 57', I guess that may well have had something to do with the curves and lengths in sidings ?

Note btw - if anyone actually wants Lima coaches, or just needs cheap coaches for something then the N Gauge Society second hand shop was flogging them off en-mass and last time I looked still had a lifetime supply of cheap Lima mark 1 coaches.

Sorry mate, at 80 for 10 lima mark 1 coaches I'd consider I'd be done 8)

Alan
Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: lesmond on August 21, 2011, 04:52:43 PM
Hi Nobby,

I reckon if you think you have got a good deal, and are happy with what you have bought, that's fair enough.

Based on the comments made, you should be able to get more for a few less, but whatever - you have them now  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: Jonathan Clapp on August 28, 2011, 10:09:01 PM
Say Mick, what about posting some pics of your Lima coaches?
Ive got my unpainted ones to the point of painting, and Id like to see how Lima did theirs.

Is there any color between the roof and the tops of the windows for example...

 :Carriage: :Carriage: :Carriage:

Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: Newportnobby on August 29, 2011, 11:04:43 AM
Say Mick, what about posting some pics of your Lima coaches?
Ive got my unpainted ones to the point of painting, and Id like to see how Lima did theirs.
Is there any color between the roof and the tops of the windows for example...


Hi Jonathan - your wish is my command. Contrast the Lima's in the foreground with the GraFar 57 footers behind them. Mind you, the Lima's sure are heavy!
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j454/nobbynewport/Limacoaches001.jpg)
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j454/nobbynewport/Limacoaches002.jpg)
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j454/nobbynewport/Limacoaches003.jpg)
Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: silly moo on August 29, 2011, 03:56:06 PM
Hello,

I have a rake of Lima coaches and despite their detail faults, they run perfectly on our club layout where the track laying is a bit dodgy.

If I try and run my Farish coaches at club meetings they derail all over the place, so I will hang on to my Lima ones. They do have their advantages.

Regards,

Veronica.
Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: Lawrence on August 29, 2011, 04:40:22 PM
Dodgy track laying Veronica, surely not  ;)

 :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: silly moo on August 29, 2011, 05:24:50 PM
Hi,

Our club layout consists of a number of N-Trak modules all built by different people supposedly to the same specification. Not all the track work and ballasting is consistent though.

Graham Farish locos and coaches tend to derail on occasion while trains made up of other manufacturer's stock go sailing round. That's why I keep my rake of Lima coaches, they seem bullet proof.

Pictures of our layout can be found on our website www.modeltrains.org.za Rivet Counters Beware -  we run anything and everything.

Regards

Veronica
 :Class37:
Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: Jonathan Clapp on August 29, 2011, 06:28:41 PM
Mick, thanks for the nice pictures. They look fine in my opinion, and as Veronica says they are quite reliable models.

This detail is of particular interest.
(http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac147/Jonathan_Clapp/LimaMkIdetail.jpg)
between the roof line and the top of the window opening there is a molding of some sort, a drip edge or what have you,
and its clear that a course of crimson and lining must go right on top of that, and still leave a bit of space for some custard above the windows.
(http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac147/Jonathan_Clapp/limagraydetail002.jpg)

Is there a reference on-line to explain how these coaches were numbered?


Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: poliss on August 29, 2011, 06:36:12 PM
This from Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_carriage_and_wagon_numbering_and_classification
I'd check with other sources to ensure accuracy.
Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: dodger on April 06, 2013, 08:15:52 AM

between the roof line and the top of the window opening there is a molding of some sort, a drip edge or what have you,
and its clear that a course of crimson and lining must go right on top of that, and still leave a bit of space for some custard above the windows.

The moulding is the gutter and should be painted the same colour as the roof. There is insufficicent space to get the correct liveryof a thin strip of cream, lining and wide crimson band between the window and gutter.

Have a look at Bristish Railways Mk1 Coaches by Keith Parkin as it has some excellent colour pictures of the crimson & cream livery.

dodger
Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: crewearpley40 on April 08, 2017, 01:48:36 PM
Aylesbury market there is  seller on a Tuesday ************** antiques, models etc ... he has a lot of mk1s lima ||BOXED 5 a go maydo a deal did not manage to ask that questions as he was smoking something and the smell oh my lawd
Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: Newportnobby on April 08, 2017, 03:04:33 PM
Aylesbury market there is  seller on a Tuesday ************** antiques, models etc ... he has a lot of mk1s lima ||BOXED 5 a go maydo a deal did not manage to ask that questions as he was smoking something and the smell oh my lawd

Probably smoking a Lima MK1.
What's the similarity between a Lima MK1 and a Barratt's starter home?

You just can't shift 'em :no:
Title: Re: Deal or no deal?
Post by: railsquid on April 09, 2017, 12:00:17 AM
For 12.50 this Lima BR Mk 1 GWR Brown & Cream - Pre-owned - paintwork shows signs of age related wear - worn box (http://www.hattons.co.uk/253557/Lima_L320363_SD_BR_Mk1_Buffet_Car_5208_in_GWR_Brown_Cream_Pre_owned_paintwork_shows_signs_of_/StockDetail.aspx) from Hattons can be yours.
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