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Just watched the video - Class 769 Hybrid MU, DCC and Sound Ready 08s and more Mermaids.

Just watched it myself and it is nice to see they have updated the Class 08 to DCC and sound.

At £244 and 254 mrrp  for the sound 08's, it will be interesting to see what they end up selling for at the shops

08721 BR Red Star Express Parcels - DCC Ready & SF
08953 BR Engineers' Grey - DCC Ready & SF
08441 RSS Railway Support Services - DCC Ready & SF
08417 Network Rail Yellow - DCC Ready & SF
08919 RES - DCC Ready & SF
13287 BR Green SF
08818 BR Blue SF

769008 4-Car BIMU Transport for Wales

Mermaid in Black, Olive Green, Dutch and Gulf Red
Shark Plough in Bauxite, Black, Dutch and Olive Green

Stone Coal Staithes
Coach Washing Plant
Low Relief Multi Story Car Park
Low Relief High Street Store "Beatties"
Double Track Tunnel Mouth
Storm Haven Tent

Best

Scott.

Hi all,

Great news about the 769 - I thinkl Wales has been underserved for models for too long, and there are some very modellable locations and flows there!

As to the 08 - I am very impressed they've managed to squeeze in DCC Sound.  I will probably go for either the RSS black on the basis that it could be hired out to anyone (I feel like I see it at LNER's depot at Bounds Green regularly) or Network Rail yellow, as I like that livery and would probably re-imagine it as a spot hire vehicle.

cheers

Ben A.

British N not my thing but it was interesting to watch the video. 

I like the look of the 769, do you think the Scharfenberg will be compatible with the Tomix (and hence Dapol) version?

Can someone please post the link to the video?

I've just looked at the photos on the other forum. Sound fitted 08's may sound nice but, unless they have "stay alive" also fitted I fear people will be left wanting.

Likewise haven't modelled British actively since 1979 (...) but love the idea of a sound 08, the 08's have a very particular low powered 'chug' sound

Thankyou.

I can't see a "stay alive" fitted but there's probably room.

Quote from: ntpntpntp on February 02, 2022, 10:47:04 AM
British N not my thing but it was interesting to watch the video. 

I like the look of the 769, do you think the Scharfenberg will be compatible with the Tomix (and hence Dapol) version?

I don't think so - the coupler looks a much bulkier beast than the Tomix version.

Maybe It is because I was looking for a distraction but I was quite happy with that announcement
I second the sentiments about the 769 and DCC class 08 being positive developments. I look forward to seeing them 


Slightly off topic
As models often trickle down to the shrink ray there were a few interesting 00 Gauge announcements
The MK2F DBSO as refurbished is a sensible development and if there is another ScotRail 47/7 in the long term N gauge list I will bite their hands off for it (I appreciate the OO models are new tooling but I would be happy with just reruns of the N model)

The Reasoning behind the OO JPA Cement wagons becoming collectors club models as it is too expensive for general sale breaks my heart.
The JPA in both Liveries is at the top of my freight wishlist in N as I would like to model the internal Scottish Cement trains (Oxwellmains to Uddingston/Inverness/Aberdeen) I could swallow the price (Or more likely sell a container train as id rather the cements which I see semi-regularly) but I wonder if this is what is needed to produce another batch in OO if it we will ever see a rerun in N.
   

any new rolling stock announced?

or just re-runs?

i will buy some 08s - but i think they should have fitted a stay alive and they are behind the times by not doing so


tim

Quote from: 1936ace on February 02, 2022, 10:16:48 AM
At £244 and 254 mrrp  for the sound 08's, it will be interesting to see what they end up selling for at the shops

Rails are showing £123.20 for DCC ready and £208.20/216.70 for Sound Fitted.

Best

Scott.

Aren't these just the new announcements for Spring, so there is hope for some more things to come later in the year?

Yep. Although the 769 (and 319) is slated for May/June, so technically outside their own 3-month window.

Quote from: bluedepot on February 02, 2022, 12:23:04 PM
any new rolling stock announced?

or just re-runs?

i will buy some 08s - but i think they should have fitted a stay alive and they are behind the times by not doing so

Have they said there isn't a capacitor in there? Nothing new new, no. The 769 is a redecorated 319. The 08 is a chassis upgrade. Otherwise re-runs.

Quote from: CaleyDave on February 02, 2022, 12:16:24 PM
The Reasoning behind the OO JPA Cement wagons becoming collectors club models as it is too expensive for general sale breaks my heart.
The JPA in both Liveries is at the top of my freight wishlist in N as I would like to model the internal Scottish Cement trains (Oxwellmains to Uddingston/Inverness/Aberdeen) I could swallow the price (Or more likely sell a container train as id rather the cements which I see semi-regularly) but I wonder if this is what is needed to produce another batch in OO if it we will ever see a rerun in N.

It's one I always think about as a 3D print, as I'd quite like some O gauge ones. Just need to get around to it!

Thanks to those who put the announcements and video on here.  :thumbsup:  I did receive the Press email from Bachmann last night, but they never give you any warning.  I was busy running a Cubs evening, so I didn't have time to put it on here.

I admire anyone who managed to sit through all 29 minutes of that video right to the end (without falling asleep).

Quote from: RapierPower on February 02, 2022, 12:49:14 PM
Aren't these just the new announcements for Spring, so there is hope for some more things to come later in the year?

In theory, these are the model that Bachmann should be sending out to the shops within the next three months. They'll do a summer announcement in May/June, followed by others in autumn and then winter.

However, we're still waiting for models from Winter 2021, and even some EFE branded ones from 2020 so take the due dates with a pinch of salt!



Steven B.

Whilst I admire the chassis upgrades on the 08's and am happy that they're producing a 'new' model in the 769, I am disappointed that there are no re-runs of that staple of the railway, Coaches!!!

There is a dearth of stuff for all these lovely new models to pull, we all know about batch production currently within the industry, but surely someone has looked at what happened to the MK2f's and went "Blimey, they sold well. Shall we look at doing another run and make some more money??"

Regards

Neal.

Hoping that one day they'll backdate the 08 to an LNER J45...

More immediately, who on earth at Farish decided that the rtp stone scenic accessory thing was a "coal staithe"?  It looks like it's meant to be an under scale loco coaling platform, and should at least come with some baskets or tubs for hand loading the coal into tenders/bunkers.  But I would have thought even the most cack-handed modeller could knock something like that up from some plasticard in an hour or so. It's an ideal thing for a first attempt at scratchbuilding.

Richard

(A coal staithe is where coal is loaded (usually by dropping) from railway wagons into ships or canal boats.  The equivalent inland, mainly found on the ex-NER but also elsewhere, are coal drops or coal cells. The sets of semi-ramshackle "sleeper built" enclosures found mainly in model scenery manufacturers' catalogues, hardly ever on the real railway, and never backed up to the track as on many model railways, are coal bins.)

Do we know whether the new 08s will have working marker lights? From those shots of the chassis I'm guessing not.

Cheers
Nigel H

Quote from: joe cassidy on February 02, 2022, 01:43:53 PM
I admire anyone who managed to sit through all 29 minutes of that video right to the end (without falling asleep).

I was on a business call with the sound off but subtitles on, multi-tasking.

Quote from: nharding99 on February 02, 2022, 03:39:52 PM
Do we know whether the new 08s will have working marker lights? From those shots of the chassis I'm guessing not.

Cheers
Nigel H

No

"Low Relief High Street Store "Beatties"

Such a shame this isn't the 2-4-0 Well Tank variety  :D

I'm encouraged Farish will release a 769.
Hope GWR and Northern liveries will follow suit ... and maybe a class 768 Orion parcels unit too!

I'm a bit confused...

In a few liverys such as BR green, they seem to only have announced a sound fitted 08, but not DCC ready. But then some shops such as Rails and Kernow show it for pre order, but at a lower price than the others. So if I place a pre order will I get a DCC ready 08 in green?

https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/63831/371-013-Graham-Farish-Class-08-13287-BR-Green-(Early-Emblem) (https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/63831/371-013-Graham-Farish-Class-08-13287-BR-Green-(Early-Emblem))

Hi all,

New class 08 DCC and Sound ready while not much livery wise of interest for me (wouldn't have said no to a Freightliner version in green or orange) I will probably take the RSS version however its bugging me hugely that for some reason the model has ladders which which the real thing hasn't had in RSS livery at any stage IIRC this was part of Rail Group Standards to remove them to prevent people easily climbing on top of them... and just as comparison

Now for the other news for me and a new model....kind of!  The class 769 and well I like it and again a little tempted as I know at least one TfW 769 did night testing around Crewe, but why only the TfW version I mean its great for those that model current day Wales (and a long over due), I get why they have an wouldn't do the Northern version as it would compete with the 319s but no GWR version or 768 which is literally a freight version?
Seems to limit the potential audience in my eyes.

All in it's been an ok offering this time but considering some of the previously announced models that should have arrived already haven't arrived as yet I won't hold my breath of the arrival dates....

The Beatties shop is a blast from the past! I spent a lot of time and money in their shops (mainly the Manchester one) in the early'80s.

Quote from: Hightower on February 02, 2022, 09:54:35 PM
I'm a bit confused...

In a few liverys such as BR green, they seem to only have announced a sound fitted 08, but not DCC ready. But then some shops such as Rails and Kernow show it for pre order, but at a lower price than the others. So if I place a pre order will I get a DCC ready 08 in green?

https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/63831/371-013-Graham-Farish-Class-08-13287-BR-Green-(Early-Emblem) (https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/63831/371-013-Graham-Farish-Class-08-13287-BR-Green-(Early-Emblem))

The green and blue were announced some years ago, I know as I've been waiting for the green one myself! They said in the video that these would now use the new chassis with DCC socket, and sound versions of these were part of todays announcement. I wouldn't be surprised if the price of these two rose to match the others, the chap said the price rise is on the 1st March didnt he?

Quote from: acko22 on February 02, 2022, 10:03:16 PM
Hi all,
...why only the TfW version I mean its great for those that model current day Wales (and a long over due), I get why they have an wouldn't do the Northern version as it would compete with the 319s but no GWR version or 768 which is literally a freight version?

I suspect they don't want to compete with the 319 in Northern that they are offering.  Having said that, being able to buy both the 319 and 769 in Northern livery may well have tempted some to purchase both...

Incidentally does anyone know where the TW 769s do operate?

cheers

Ben A.

Quote from: Ben A on February 02, 2022, 10:12:49 PM

Quote from: acko22 on February 02, 2022, 10:03:16 PM
Hi all,
...why only the TfW version I mean its great for those that model current day Wales (and a long over due), I get why they have an wouldn't do the Northern version as it would compete with the 319s but no GWR version or 768 which is literally a freight version?

I suspect they don't want to compete with the 319 in Northern that they are offering.  Having said that, being able to buy both the 319 and 769 in Northern livery may well have tempted some to purchase both...

Incidentally does anyone know where the TW 769s do operate?

cheers

Ben A.

Thats why it doesn't shock me they haven't done the northern version, but the GWR and the Orion 768s just seems a little odd leaving them out.

As for the route TfW are using the 769s on its the Penarth - Bargoed/Phymney services.

People maybe referring to TW . Transport for Wales based Cardiff canton for Welsh valleys lines and Rhymney to penarth. Sadly nothing for me. Hope answers your question @Ben A (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94) . Northern will have some at Allerton, liverpool

Quote from: RapierPower on February 02, 2022, 10:05:36 PM

Quote from: Hightower on February 02, 2022, 09:54:35 PM
I'm a bit confused...

In a few liverys such as BR green, they seem to only have announced a sound fitted 08, but not DCC ready. But then some shops such as Rails and Kernow show it for pre order, but at a lower price than the others. So if I place a pre order will I get a DCC ready 08 in green?

https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/63831/371-013-Graham-Farish-Class-08-13287-BR-Green-(Early-Emblem) (https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/63831/371-013-Graham-Farish-Class-08-13287-BR-Green-(Early-Emblem))

The green and blue were announced some years ago, I know as I've been waiting for the green one myself! They said in the video that these would now use the new chassis with DCC socket, and sound versions of these were part of todays announcement. I wouldn't be surprised if the price of these two rose to match the others, the chap said the price rise is on the 1st March didnt he?

Thanks. That's one pre-ordered.  :D

Bachmann's website lists all variants of the 08 in plain DCC ready and DCC Sound fitted versions. Unlike the class 40 and Castle, all liveries are available with sound fitted options.

Quote from: Calnefoxile on February 02, 2022, 03:28:09 PM
There is a dearth of stuff for all these lovely new models to pull, we all know about batch production currently within the industry, but surely someone has looked at what happened to the MK2f's and went "Blimey, they sold well. Shall we look at doing another run and make some more money??"

You'd think so wouldn't you.... When was the last run of Maroon Mk1 SK, or blue-grey Mk2a TSO? 2014 & 2015 if ngauge.org is to be believed.

It's interesting that the latest announcements included relatively quick reruns of the Shark and Mermaid under the EFE brand. I believe these are produced at a third-party factory rather than one belonging to Kader/Bachmann/Farish.

With Bachmann having taken over and expanded the Thomas range from Hornby, together with the new 009 range and all their American models if they don't have enough factory capacity for all their "to-do" list.

It'd be nice to see some progress on the previously announced model like the class 158.

Steven B.

Quote from: njee20 on February 02, 2022, 01:23:35 PM

Quote from: CaleyDave on February 02, 2022, 12:16:24 PM
The Reasoning behind the OO JPA Cement wagons becoming collectors club models as it is too expensive for general sale breaks my heart.
The JPA in both Liveries is at the top of my freight wishlist in N as I would like to model the internal Scottish Cement trains (Oxwellmains to Uddingston/Inverness/Aberdeen) I could swallow the price (Or more likely sell a container train as id rather the cements which I see semi-regularly) but I wonder if this is what is needed to produce another batch in OO if it we will ever see a rerun in N.

It's one I always think about as a 3D print, as I'd quite like some O gauge ones. Just need to get around to it!

Could be an option. They are quite shiny when new which would be difficult to replicate. Alternatively you dump them in a bag of cement call it a day.

I had forgotten that Lafarge and Castle JPA were due in N gauge so still time for me to be proven wrong!
Think I need to do a bit of research and accounting to see if I can justify rebranding . I wouldn't need very many if I chose the right train, they were often mixed in with two wheelers and I have seen some silly short trains (3-6 wagons) in person (never seen a photo but the I always saw them in the middle of winter usually when it was still frosty and dark so it's unsurprising.)
A frustratingly modelable train until you get to the meat of it (For all the CargoWaggons no one does the correct built, the two wheeler Vee and straight tanks are are out there as older Models).

Quote from: Steven B on February 03, 2022, 08:58:35 AM

It'd be nice to see some progress on the previously announced model like the class 158.

Steven B.

The 158 was breifly mentioned,  the tooling sample should be on display at Alexander Palace exhibition.

Without wishing to continue the tangent too far, Alclad do a range of stunning looking metallic enamels I'd be interested to try, it's part of my interest in the JPA! Definitely get a better finish than Farish did on the Lafarge ones.

Quote from: Ben A on February 02, 2022, 10:12:49 PM
I suspect they don't want to compete with the 319 in Northern that they are offering.  Having said that, being able to buy both the 319 and 769 in Northern livery may well have tempted some to purchase both...

It doesn't help that the Northern Electrics Livery was so short lived.

John P

Quote from: jpendle on February 03, 2022, 06:38:36 PM

Quote from: Ben A on February 02, 2022, 10:12:49 PM
I suspect they don't want to compete with the 319 in Northern that they are offering.  Having said that, being able to buy both the 319 and 769 in Northern livery may well have tempted some to purchase both...

It doesn't help that the Northern Electrics Livery was so short lived.

John P

It was current when the 319 was announced - since then the White / Blue Northern scheme has had three changes of branding! I'm surprised not to see the 769 in Northern or GWR, as they have a potentially much greater sphere of operations.

Quote from: crewearpley40 on February 02, 2022, 10:23:18 PM
People maybe referring to TW . Transport for Wales based Cardiff canton for Welsh valleys lines and Rhymney to penarth. Sadly nothing for me. Hope answers your question @Ben A (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94) . Northern will have some at Allerton, liverpool

Northern's 769s work Southport-Alderley Edge and Southport-Stalybridge services.

looking at the 08's hopefully the body is metal to retain the weight. Also as it has a NeXt18 socket, wonder if the board will have the solder pads to add some "stay alive", would make a big difference.

Quote from: Graham on February 03, 2022, 09:06:43 PM
looking at the 08's hopefully the body is metal to retain the weight. Also as it has a NeXt18 socket, wonder if the board will have the solder pads to add some "stay alive", would make a big difference.

Surely it would have stay alive, given that its an 0-6-0 and the whole thing was redesigned, new chassis etc, looks there would be room ?

Craig

As a dc dinosaur, and steam to diesel transition modeler I have to say that I am seriously underwhelmed with a total lack of new tooling on the steam side. I hoped that after the 8F we would perhaps get an update of the 61xx prairie, king, crab or V2 but they seem to be going all out for the dcc camp. I can only hope that the next announcement in 3 months time will be more exciting. Where are the Thompson coaches in maroon?

Disgruntled,

Alex 

Quote from: gc4946 on February 03, 2022, 07:33:19 PM

Quote from: crewearpley40 on February 02, 2022, 10:23:18 PM
People maybe referring to TW . Transport for Wales based Cardiff canton for Welsh valleys lines and Rhymney to penarth. Sadly nothing for me. Hope answers your question @Ben A (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=94) . Northern will have some at Allerton, liverpool

Northern's 769s work Southport-Alderley Edge and Southport-Stalybridge services.

Yes thanks for pointing this out.   

Quote from: Hailstone on February 03, 2022, 10:27:06 PM
As a dc dinosaur, and steam to diesel transition modeler I have to say that I am seriously underwhelmed with a total lack of new tooling on the steam side. I hoped that after the 8F we would perhaps get an update of the 61xx prairie, king, crab or V2 but they seem to be going all out for the dcc camp. I can only hope that the next announcement in 3 months time will be more exciting. Where are the Thompson coaches in maroon?

Disgruntled,

Alex

If it makes you feel better the era you model is irrelevant. No new toolings here. Just a single new chassis. 

Quote from: acko22 on February 02, 2022, 10:03:16 PM
Hi all,

New class 08 DCC and Sound ready while not much livery wise of interest for me (wouldn't have said no to a Freightliner version in green or orange) I will probably take the RSS version however its bugging me hugely that for some reason the model has ladders which which the real thing hasn't had in RSS livery at any stage IIRC this was part of Rail Group Standards to remove them to prevent people easily climbing on top of them

From what I can tell from the multitude of 08s I've got, all 08s come with the 4 lights each end, depsite the fact the majority have probably spent more time with just the lower two than with all four. Also all models have a whistle.

If you want wooden cab doors, it comes with ladders and no additional compressor box.

If you want steel cab doors, you get no ladder and the extra box.

Sadly, it doesn't appear Farish have the spec to mix and match the parts. With the 08s having so many variations, this is a shame. So the RSS one has ladders because it has the wooden cab doors and lack of extra compressor box.

From memory, the ladders come off easy enough, and the black ladders may leave a nice black stump behind, filling the hole for you.

Jo

It is a shame if the tooling doesn't allow for this variant without the ladder. Could it be that a livery sample has been produced without necessarily having the tooling choices spot on and production samples might be without?

Must admit that, whilst well outside my normal time zone, the more I look at this livery, the more I like it so history tells me an order will happen. Does anyone know when it received this livery? Era 9 covers an awful long time now. Would it overlap for example with the EFE clay wagons (JIA?) even if it's never worked with them in reality could the liveries have coincided timewise on my small plank of wood.

If not I'm sure Ben & Mike will sell me something suitable

N gauge diesel shunters seem to be arriving like buses right now

Rob

Slight update to what I wrote earlier. Seems they can do with or without the extra compressor cabinet on the wooden door type, but the wooden door always have the ladder.

It's the marker lights that annoy me more, because it's so hard to patch the yellow where they have been removed. Once filled and sanded, it usually needs the black touching up too, and the yellow is nigh on impossible to match with proprietary paints from Railmatch etc. Often a full respray and new wasp stripe decals is easier than trying to patch it.

The ladders were dead easy to remove and tidy up on the ones I've done.

Jo

Quote from: steadfast on February 04, 2022, 02:34:55 PM
Slight update to what I wrote earlier. Seems they can do with or without the extra compressor cabinet on the wooden door type, but the wooden door always have the ladder.

It's the marker lights that annoy me more, because it's so hard to patch the yellow where they have been removed. Once filled and sanded, it usually needs the black touching up too, and the yellow is nigh on impossible to match with proprietary paints from Railmatch etc. Often a full respray and new wasp stripe decals is easier than trying to patch it.

The ladders were dead easy to remove and tidy up on the ones I've done.

Jo

Fair play Jo I honestly hadn't looked that far into it, fair to say it was what jumped out on first look, probably will still get one regardless as its as close as to the wanted modern livery I am after.

 
I'm a bit bemused that the variables are so limited when the cab is a separate plastic moulding as are all the side cabinets. So mix & match should be feasible to get the right spec. Perhaps there isn't the production capacity or knowledge to cope with them all. Shame really considering the prices. But it is what it is.

Quote from: Hailstone on February 03, 2022, 10:27:06 PM
As a dc dinosaur, and steam to diesel transition modeler I have to say that I am seriously underwhelmed with a total lack of new tooling on the steam side. I hoped that after the 8F we would perhaps get an update of the 61xx prairie, king, crab or V2 but they seem to be going all out for the dcc camp. I can only hope that the next announcement in 3 months time will be more exciting. Where are the Thompson coaches in maroon?

Disgruntled,

Alex 

I had similar hopes for a steam loco given the gestation period of the 8F and length of time since it, their last steam loco release was announced, However this is where the transition from the previous method of announcements to the new is causing confusion. I have been told that the already announced sound upgraded 5MT will be here hopefully around the year end so it will be a while yet before they are solely announcing quarterly releases.

I think it it is probably reasonable to expect we will see further sound upgrades of the more recent locos both steam and diesel, hopefully alongside a few new offerings, but maybe this will be the sole focus for a while, it certainly appears to be what more of the Market is asking for.

Hopefully a newly tooled 44/45/46 will come along at some point as it is an obvious gap (one of few mainstream diesels now so needs to be done before a newcomer takes it) and to mirror the 00 offering I think a V2 would be hugely popular, but this is pure speculation as regards the first and in all honesty more wishlisting as regards the second. In terms of sound upgrade who wouldn't want a Deltic...

Overall though I think we will have to get used to less by dint of announcements being spread quarterly, that is only logical.

As regards coaches, while I would love to see maroon Thompsons too, I can't help thinking that the Market in general would be much happier with the full range of maroon and Blue/Grey Mk1s being produced and a more sustainable supply by more frequent batches being prodiced - these are surely "bread and butter" models that will always sell.

Roy