Sorry about the odd topic heading.
I don't know if this is something that can happen or not, so I'm just going to ask.
Assume, that the right RTR loco for my LNER railway, comes on the market used in BR livery. How hard would it to change it?
Also... not all RTR locos and coaches are available in the right livery. Would there be a substitute livery I can buy, and then repaint it to LNER, or are all different when they make them?
I know that in real life, a loco might have started their life in one livery, then be sold and repainted, and then taken over by BR and repainted again. That's why I'm hoping that I can expand on what I can buy, if all it needs is a new livery.
Quote from: Reptilian Feline on May 16, 2021, 02:28:13 PMAssume, that the right RTR loco for my LNER railway, comes on the market used in BR livery. How hard would it to change it?
If it is an ex- LNER type in BR livery, that depends mainly on your painting skills... Most of the lining and lettering livery elements are available as waterslide transfers from either Fox Transfers or ModelMaster.
Quote from: Reptilian Feline on May 16, 2021, 02:28:13 PMAlso... not all RTR locos and coaches are available in the right livery. Would there be a substitute livery I can buy, and then repaint it to LNER, or are all different when they make them?
That's why I'm hoping that I can expand on what I can buy, if all it needs is a new livery.
In the UK all the railway companies had their own individual designs and style. There weren't the outside builders selling standard designs to several railways, so if you want to maintain some accuracy you couldn't for example repaint a GWR loco in LNER livery.
Another option would be to pay someone to do the repainting, I think there are several forum members who offer such services.
Another alternative is vinyl overlays. Real life trains use these as well these days.
https://electrarail.co.uk/ one of the group advertisers, do a range of vinyls and produces them himself, so may well produce to order.
Quote from: NTrain on May 16, 2021, 03:56:41 PM
Another alternative is vinyl overlays. Real life trains use these as well these days.
https://electrarail.co.uk/ one of the group advertisers, do a range of vinyls and produces them himself, so may well produce to order.
vinyls work well for modern DMUs, but I suspect will be extremely challenging both to design and fit for a steam loco...
my bad. I was thinking of the complete train and missed that it was the loco only.............................
Quote from: railsquid on May 16, 2021, 03:22:46 PM
Another option would be to pay someone to do the repainting, I think there are several forum members who offer such services.
Have a word with Ozymandias from this forum hes very good at reliverys!
Quote from: PLD on May 16, 2021, 04:17:13 PM
Quote from: NTrain on May 16, 2021, 03:56:41 PM
Another alternative is vinyl overlays. Real life trains use these as well these days.
https://electrarail.co.uk/ one of the group advertisers, do a range of vinyls and produces them himself, so may well produce to order.
vinyls work well for modern DMUs, but I suspect will be extremely challenging both to design and fit for a steam loco...
Solvite wallpapered a Black 5 in the late '60s or early '70s - but I don't know if the paper was vinyl or not ;)
Found an ancient thread on the lner encylopedia and there is an interesting conversion of a Dapol M7 into an lner loco. Probably not completely accurate but very useful on a branch line...
https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1441 (https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1441)
Jan
@Reptilian Feline (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=9675) I can only echo a previous post and recommend Ozymandias on this form. You do need to be patient (really patient) as his talents are very sought after. Have a look here:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=22566.2160 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=22566.2160)
Worth the wai8t!_
P.S. His waiting list does tend to be cluttered up with scrappy ol' Warships.
:P
Quote from: JanW on May 16, 2021, 09:30:39 PM
Found an ancient thread on the lner encylopedia and there is an interesting conversion of a Dapol M7 into an lner loco. Probably not completely accurate but very useful on a branch line...
https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1441 (https://www.lner.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1441)
Jan
I came across that one, and then lost it, when I was looking for some info on LNER. Thanks!
Quote from: emjaybee on May 16, 2021, 10:21:03 PM
@Reptilian Feline (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=9675) I can only echo a previous post and recommend Ozymandias on this form. You do need to be patient (really patient) as his talents are very sought after. Have a look here:
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=22566.2160 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=22566.2160)
Ozymandias does fine work. Shows that it's possible.
It's nice to know that it's possible. I hope Fox transfers ship to Sweden.
If I find the right loco in the wrong livery, I'll start by reliver it, then do the weathering. It wouldn't be the first time I paint tiny details on tiny models.
I had a look at the lner.info page, and the liveries listed. Turns out that my years, 1942-45 all liveries on locos were changed to black, no stripes, and LNER changed to NE. No lining for carriages and also NE instead of LNER, and roofs grey. Looks like whatever I get, a small change has to be made.
Also wagons increasingly had just a small 'NE' above a number on the lower left side of the wagon, instead of a large 'NE' either side of the centre line. This change also happened similarly to the wagons of the other 'Big Four' companies, ie, LMS, SR, and GWR.
What locos are you hoping to run? There are not many models for your period made for the LNER, especially for a branch line.
Martyn
I'm looking for some 0-6-0 type for goods and maybe shunting, even if I'm looking for small steam shunters. Some 4-4-0 for passengers. Nothing fancy. I'm not sure they should have tenders, the larger ones, but if it would be appropriate, then that's OK too.
If the silhouette of the loco is correct, and just minor details need to be changed, then that's fine. I'm not a rivet counter, and have never had the chance to "spot them in the wild".
Maybe class 08, 3F Jinty would suit your 060 needs. Chris. I'm sure others by the way will have ideas
There is the Graham Farish J39, this would fit very well I think.
https://www.hattons.co.uk/38719/graham_farish_372_400_class_j39_0_6_0t_1856_in_lner_lined_black_with_flat_sided_tender/stockdetail.aspx (https://www.hattons.co.uk/38719/graham_farish_372_400_class_j39_0_6_0t_1856_in_lner_lined_black_with_flat_sided_tender/stockdetail.aspx)
No connection to Hattons, it was the first link I found.
LNER livery will be fine. Can't imagine that the all black livery would be applied if it was not time for a repaint. Maintenance was minimal so some weathering is necessary...
Edit: I haven't checked if it is still available new so maybe you have to find a used one.
Quote from: crewearpley40 on May 20, 2021, 07:18:08 PM
Maybe class 08, 3F Jinty would suit your 060 needs. Chris. I'm sure others by the way will have ideas
Neither of those is really suitable for a 1940s LNER line...
There aren't any LNER tank locos ready to run at all. Aside from the Farish J39 mentioned above, your best source is Union Mills (see the reviews on here (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?board=75.0))
There are a couple of other 0-6-0 tender locos and a couple of 4-4-0 tender locos that could be suitable for your passenger trains.
What if... a loco pre-LNER that was decommissioned around 1930, instead was moved to a branch line? So, from happy main line running, to a branch line, instead of being scrapped, still in service running passengers. Is there such a loco in the RTR section of things that I can turn into a "what if" by painting it in LNER wartime livery?
Unfortunately no, earlier locos are even more rare in the ready to run ranges...
I was thinking a J72 loco
Quote from: crewearpley40 on May 24, 2021, 11:55:44 PMI was thinking a J72 loco
but despite two manufacturers announcing it (and other hinting), a J72 has never been produced Ready-to-Run in N gauge, and unless you know something we don't is extremely unlikely to appear in the foreseeable future... :hmmm:
As here https://anticsonline.uk/Product/Dapol-2S-022-002-LNER-8286-Wordsell-E1J72-Class-0-6-0T-LNER-Green-N_N107653745 (https://anticsonline.uk/Product/Dapol-2S-022-002-LNER-8286-Wordsell-E1J72-Class-0-6-0T-LNER-Green-N_N107653745) you have to preorder , everyone are waiting .... https://www.modelrailshop.co.uk/c/1199/Graham-Farish-Steam-Locomotives (https://www.modelrailshop.co.uk/c/1199/Graham-Farish-Steam-Locomotives) I saw one farish 372825 on a certain evilbay
Quote from: crewearpley40 on May 25, 2021, 12:09:52 AM
As here https://anticsonline.uk/Product/Dapol-2S-022-002-LNER-8286-Wordsell-E1J72-Class-0-6-0T-LNER-Green-N_N107653745 (https://anticsonline.uk/Product/Dapol-2S-022-002-LNER-8286-Wordsell-E1J72-Class-0-6-0T-LNER-Green-N_N107653745) you have to preorder , everyone are waiting .... https://www.modelrailshop.co.uk/c/1199/Graham-Farish-Steam-Locomotives (https://www.modelrailshop.co.uk/c/1199/Graham-Farish-Steam-Locomotives) I saw one farish 372825 on a certain evilbay
Suggest you read the relevant threads on here... A J72 has never been released by either Dapol or Farish, and the chances of either appearing in the foreseeable future are extremely slim...
We shall see. I'm not arguing. Like many awaiting items we have to preorder. Looking forward to seeing this take off. Wish the OP good luck with her project
Hi
Liveries can be changed on locos reasonably easily in N. I don't consider myself to be very skilled in this area but I did manage to re paint 2 Dapol 14xx from GWR green into BR livery - one in BR lined green and one in BR black. The lining and Br transfers, numbers were from Fox and although the lining was tricky, it worked out ok. I'd recommend a decent airbrush for respraying. Pics below of what I achieved - good luck!
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/110/4009-250521093728.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=110107)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/110/4009-250521093742.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=110108)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/110/4009-250521093753.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=110109)
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/110/4009-250521093805.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=110110)
Quote from: crewearpley40 on May 25, 2021, 12:09:52 AM
As here https://anticsonline.uk/Product/Dapol-2S-022-002-LNER-8286-Wordsell-E1J72-Class-0-6-0T-LNER-Green-N_N107653745 (https://anticsonline.uk/Product/Dapol-2S-022-002-LNER-8286-Wordsell-E1J72-Class-0-6-0T-LNER-Green-N_N107653745) you have to preorder , everyone are waiting .... https://www.modelrailshop.co.uk/c/1199/Graham-Farish-Steam-Locomotives (https://www.modelrailshop.co.uk/c/1199/Graham-Farish-Steam-Locomotives) I saw one farish 372825 on a certain evilbay
Thanks for the links and the suggestion of the J72.
Quote from: Ensign Elliott on May 25, 2021, 09:41:39 AM
Hi
Liveries can be changed on locos reasonably easily in N. I don't consider myself to be very skilled in this area but I did manage to re paint 2 Dapol 14xx from GWR green into BR livery - one in BR lined green and one in BR black. The lining and Br transfers, numbers were from Fox and although the lining was tricky, it worked out ok. I'd recommend a decent airbrush for respraying. Pics below of what I achieved - good luck!
That looks very nice! I've wanted an airbrush for a long time. When it's time to do the repaints, I'll have a reason to get one.
If any loco would look reasonably close to the real deal, appropriate for the time and place, then a little "bashing" to make it look even closer isn't something that worries me. I just need to know what to get, so I can plan the layout properly with the size of spurs, platforms, and so on.
Like PLD, I feel pretty sure that despite announcing the J72, both Dapol and Farish later said that they would not continue.
I hope I'm wrong.........
Other LNER tanks can be made from kits, but some are dated, and not really suitable for 'branch line' operation.
I can think of these kits, there may be more;
N7 Langley kit, dated.
N2 Langley kit, dated; also available as a 3D print from Shapeways on a Farish 3MTT chassis. I built one last year,
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=25138.210 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=25138.210)
However, the N7s never worked in Yorkshire, and the N2s were mainly used on ex Great Northern services for services from the bigger cities in Yorkshire.
J50; Shapeways body, Farish chassis; used mainly on shunting or freight duties, but also did some passenger work in Yorkshire.
J52; can't remember who made it, uses a Farish chassis.
As has been said, your best friend will be Union Mills, the J25 0-6-0, and, currently only second hand, the D20 4-4-0; or the Farish or Union Mills J39, though this was a bit 'big' for many branches.
In theory, BH Enterprises make a G5 0-4-4 tank kit, and also a long boiler loco; I'm not sure if the shop is open due to the owner's illness.
https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=54047.0 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=54047.0)
Langley Models also make a steam railcar; these just lasted into the early years of World War 2;
https://www.langleymodels.co.uk/awd1/index.php?route=product/product&path=208_219&product_id=5065 (https://www.langleymodels.co.uk/awd1/index.php?route=product/product&path=208_219&product_id=5065)
Martyn
Another tank engine kit is for the A5 by Graham Hughes. This kit is, however, long out of production and any examples that come for sale are expensive. It was also a bit big for many branch lines but did work from Darlington to Whitby and Scarborough, amongst other places.
By being a bit flexible with dates, the LNER bought a number of industrial design locos which had seen service with the Army, during World War 2 and were designated J94. This is no longer in production by Farish but they frequently appear for sale second hand. They had no train brakes and were therefore used as shunter's or freight, but many that have been preserved have had train brakes added. So you could push reality and say that the LNER bought some before or during World War 2 and added the brakes. It would be entirely up to you if you can accept this bending of facts.
Martyn
Quote from: martyn on May 25, 2021, 08:59:56 PM
Another tank engine kit is for the A5 by Graham Hughes. This kit is, however, long out of production and any examples that come for sale are expensive. It was also a bit big for many branch lines but did work from Darlington to Whitby and Scarborough, amongst other places.
By being a bit flexible with dates, the LNER bought a number of industrial design locos which had seen service with the Army, during World War 2 and were designated J94. This is no longer in production by Farish but they frequently appear for sale second hand. They had no train brakes and were therefore used as shunter's or freight, but many that have been preserved have had train brakes added. So you could push reality and say that the LNER bought some before or during World War 2 and added the brakes. It would be entirely up to you if you can accept this bending of facts.
Martyn
Thanks Martyn!
The bending of truths is sometimes all we can do when making something fictional. If the loco existed before 1940, anything is possible really. Making up a plausible story, based on things that happened elsewhere, can make it easier to find something that fits.
Shapeways is a great resource when kits are unavailable, but I still need a donor chassi of the right wheel configuration. Rokuhan makes a few chassis in Z where you add your own body. Has anyone heard of something similar of British N?