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Title: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: Dalek on March 03, 2021, 11:53:17 AM
Hello

Where can i get drivers / firemen for steam and driver for diesels please, 50's 60's era for BR.
Must be ready painted,  who makes these, had a quick google and saw lots of Orribly Oversize but not a lot for n

Craig
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: Newportnobby on March 03, 2021, 12:39:02 PM
Farish do packs...............

https://www.bachmann.co.uk/category/model-railway/scenecraft/n-scale/n-scale-figures (https://www.bachmann.co.uk/category/model-railway/scenecraft/n-scale/n-scale-figures)

Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: crewearpley40 on March 03, 2021, 12:47:51 PM
Bit cheaper here https://www.themodelcentre.com/n-gauge?cat=674&type=172 (https://www.themodelcentre.com/n-gauge?cat=674&type=172)
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: martyn on March 03, 2021, 01:16:23 PM
I think P+D Marsh also do painted ones, as well as unpainted.

Martyn
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: Dalek on March 03, 2021, 01:57:14 PM
Thanks Guys
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: martyn on March 03, 2021, 02:09:16 PM
Also you might want to look at things like Merton and Preisser European figures.

Martyn
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: stevewalker on March 03, 2021, 03:03:36 PM
Quote from: Dalek on March 03, 2021, 11:53:17 AM
Hello

Where can i get drivers / firemen for steam and driver for diesels please, 50's 60's era for BR.
Must be ready painted,  who makes these, had a quick google and saw lots of Orribly Oversize but not a lot for n

Craig

In the '50s and '60s, wouldn't the diesel locos have a second-man/driver's assistant - the equivalent of the steam loco's fireman?
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: Dalek on March 03, 2021, 03:07:46 PM
I take it for most diesel installs I'm going to be cutting these people in half to make them fit ?
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: martyn on March 03, 2021, 03:44:50 PM
 Diesels did require two crew, at least until the late 70s. I'm not sure when single manning became normal.

There was an exception where DMUs and EMUs could be single manned, again not sure of the date but much earlier than diesels.

A sticking point with the unions on the introduction of HST was the demand for double manning, at least at first.

On many modern diesel models then you do need to cut the figures off and just use the upper body.

Martyn
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: Newportnobby on March 03, 2021, 03:58:33 PM
Quote from: Dalek on March 03, 2021, 03:07:46 PM
I take it for most diesel installs I'm going to be cutting these people in half to make them fit ?

'Fraid so - even though that means driving when legless ;D
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: martyn on March 03, 2021, 04:52:55 PM
Further reason for double manning-restricted view from driver's position.

Cl 15 and 16 (and 08?) were not permitted to be single manned due to the bonnets restriction visibility. Cl 20 I think could only be single manned if cab leading, not cab trailing. It was one reason they tended to work in pairs, at least in later life.
Martyn.
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: RailGooner on March 03, 2021, 05:07:38 PM
https://www.modelu3d.co.uk/ (https://www.modelu3d.co.uk/)
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: Newportnobby on March 03, 2021, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: RailGooner on March 03, 2021, 05:07:38 PM
https://www.modelu3d.co.uk/ (https://www.modelu3d.co.uk/)

To the best of my knowledge they are unpainted and, although maybe the best, are very expensive at over £4 per figure
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: Trainfish on March 03, 2021, 08:42:49 PM
I tend to buy cheap Chinese people and cut their legs off before fitting them into the coaches. Some coaches also have a pair of legs sticking up from the seat just to give it some colour inside. With my eyesight at least you can't see that it's a pair of legs unless you get very very close. I don't like to waste those legs  :thumbsup:

I'm not so sure this would be effective with drivers in a cab though.
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: Crepello on March 04, 2021, 11:32:03 AM
I'm debating which ones to buy too; first research indicates Farish Scenecraft set has only 2 usable driver & fireman figures, so Modelu (although unpainted) may well be competitive. They also do figures for right-hand drive locos e.g GWR.
Anyone with experience of painting Modelu figures would be more than welcome to contribute here please.
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: JayM481 on March 06, 2021, 01:32:51 AM
I haven't painted anything as small as a 1:148 human, but I paint plenty of wargames figures in 15mm (1:100) and 28mm (1:56). An N gauge figure would take a couple of minutes to do with acrylics, and the better the detail on the figure, the easier it actually is to paint.

Modelu are expensive though, and how much of the figure do you actually see once it's placed in the cab? I'll probably use Modelu for steam though.
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: javlinfaw7 on March 06, 2021, 09:31:14 AM
Quote from: Dalek on March 03, 2021, 03:07:46 PM
I take it for most diesel installs I'm going to be cutting these people in half to make them fit ?
Smart models make diesel half figures.


https://www.smartmodels.co.uk/3d-printed-figures.html (https://www.smartmodels.co.uk/3d-printed-figures.html)
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: Newportnobby on March 06, 2021, 09:53:07 AM
Those Smart models look good but are they sold as painted items (I know they're shown as such) as the OP specified ready painted

Quote from: Dalek on March 03, 2021, 11:53:17 AM

Where can i get drivers / firemen for steam and driver for diesels please, 50's 60's era for BR
Must be ready painted

Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: trkilliman on March 06, 2021, 10:29:26 AM
Quote from: Newportnobby on March 03, 2021, 08:33:42 PM
Quote from: RailGooner on March 03, 2021, 05:07:38 PM
https://www.modelu3d.co.uk/ (https://www.modelu3d.co.uk/)

To the best of my knowledge they are unpainted and, although maybe the best, are very expensive at over £4 per figure

I'm sure the modelu figures are fantastically detailed, but at £4 each I am dissuaded from buying them. I would need so many.

I do think that if they offered a bulk pack at a good discount compared to the singular £4 each, they would pick up a lot of trade from those with large numbers of locos.

3D printing is taking off now with more and more people dabbling with it. In time I reckon a person/s will come up with figures at a more attractive price, albeit maybe not to quite the same level of detail.
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: Dalek on March 08, 2021, 08:33:35 AM
Quote from: Newportnobby on March 06, 2021, 09:53:07 AM
Those Smart models look good but are they sold as painted items (I know they're shown as such) as the OP specified ready painted

Quote from: Dalek on March 03, 2021, 11:53:17 AM

Where can i get drivers / firemen for steam and driver for diesels please, 50's 60's era for BR
Must be ready painted


Sadly not painted and looks like Eddie Izzard, which really puts me off   :o  :no:  :thumbsdown:

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/107/3135-080321083202.png) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=107280)
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: Bad Raven on March 08, 2021, 11:34:22 AM
Quote from: crepello on March 04, 2021, 11:32:03 AM
Anyone with experience of painting Model figures would be more than welcome to contribute here please.

Could not resist taking the u off modelu in your quote as no difference IMO between any N gauge figure painting.   ;)  #

Have just completed painting 300 plus figures, inc some 3D printed by me.

What sort of "contribution" do you need?  (and don't say money..............)   :D :D
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: Bad Raven on March 08, 2021, 12:20:55 PM
With regard the figure pictures, "Horrendous", and "No Idea", spring to mind.

Gloss finish on model figures in N?  REALLY??

Black eyes?  The "black" part of a human eye is around 3mm real world, its not black anyway and its strongly subject to reflection.  Tell me what a 3mm sized item would be at 1:148th/2mm to the foot scale?

Red Lips??

:no: :no: :no: :no:

1. There's a scaling effect on colour. What IS right real world will look wrong at 2mm scale.
2. There's and even more dramatic effect with texture/sheen.
3. Distance viewed affects everything.

If you cannot get what you want, buy an "EBAY" set of grotty chinese figures, roughly 100 for less than a fiver,  and experiment. You might find you are good at it!

As an aside, years ago I had three days to build a WW2 60" span radio control airplane from scratch and be ready for a RC flying show. UK Battle of Britain Camouflage Brown/Green/Sky. NO time for paint, etc, so I used the iron on film, Far FAR too bright, but no choice. On the ground it looked abysmal.

After the flying display a lot of people came to see it as thay said it looked superb in the air and much better and more realistic than "those dull and dirty washed out things" (pointing to many hours of work high quality weathered finishes).  Go Figure!

Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: honestjudge on March 08, 2021, 02:48:36 PM
Eddie Izzard?

I'm thinking more Julian Clary :hmmm:
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: Dalek on March 08, 2021, 04:28:05 PM
Quote from: honestjudge on March 08, 2021, 02:48:36 PM
Eddie Izzard?

I'm thinking more Julian Clary :hmmm:

Rule 1 - Neither of them will be on my railway  :smiley-laughing:
Title: Re: Driver/fireman figures
Post by: LASteve on March 08, 2021, 04:50:52 PM
Quote from: crepello on March 04, 2021, 11:32:03 AM
Anyone with experience of painting Modelu figures would be more than welcome to contribute here please.
@mk1gtstu (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=2084) is a dab hand at painting these figures - some examples of his work here

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=47521.msg694378#msg694378 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=47521.msg694378#msg694378)