I need some help please. I am confused as to what is a Mk1 carriage and what is not.
In the picture bellow are two carriages, which to me are both Mk1's, but, apparently not,
as I found out yesterday as I put an advert in the wanted section of this site.
Could someone please tell me why the carriage on the left is a Mk1, but the one on the right is not.
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A confused Stuart
The one on the right is a Great Western design known as Collett. The one on the left is the first unified British Railways design known now as Mk1. Look at the two coaches side by side and note the different roofs, ends, gangways, sides and bogies.
https://www.modelrailwaysdirect.co.uk/rolling-stock-passenger-n/dapol-2p-000-283-collett-coach-gwr-crest-choc-crm-brake-comp-6527/ (https://www.modelrailwaysdirect.co.uk/rolling-stock-passenger-n/dapol-2p-000-283-collett-coach-gwr-crest-choc-crm-brake-comp-6527/)
Quote from: Airfix 27 RA on December 05, 2020, 11:14:38 AM
I need some help please. I am confused as to what is a Mk1 carriage and what is not.
In the picture bellow are two carriages, which to me are both Mk1's, but, apparently not,
as I found out yesterday as I put an advert in the wanted section of this site.
Could someone please tell me why the carriage on the left is a Mk1, but the one on the right is not.
(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/102/8711-051220111226.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=102731)
A confused Stuart
The one on the left is a BR MK1 (farish model), the one on the right is a GWR 'Collett' type (Dapol model).
MK1/MK2/MK3/MK4 refer to the generations of British Railways coach design since Nationalisation in 1948. The Collett is a 1920s GWR design so pre-dates the MK1 type.
No expert on these things and the usual suspects will be along soon to correct my errors but my take on it is Farish made Mk1 coaches and Dapol didn't. Dapol made the pre BR coaches in BR colours, as they would have been in BR use, so the one you show is probably a Stanier or Collett or Maunsell (Unlikely on the last one)
Farish also make pre BR Mk1 Coaches in BR Colours as well, like their Hawksworth
There are probably other pre BR Mk1 coaches in BR Colours as well.
NGM
Its amazing how many posts can be made in the time it takes me to type a short reply. :hmmm:
Right, things are a clearer to me now, the Mk 1,2 etc, are coaches designed after 1948, which are only made by
Farrish, so that is why I was wrong in asking for Dapol Mk1's. The Dapol coaches are pre 1948.
Although I believe Dapol do make some Mk3 coaches for the HST?
Thanks for clearing this point up for me.
Stuart
Quote from: Airfix 27 RA on December 05, 2020, 12:07:21 PM
Right, things are a clearer to me now, the Mk 1,2 etc, are coaches designed after 1948, which are only made by
Farrish, so that is why I was wrong in asking for Dapol Mk1's. The Dapol coaches are pre 1948.
Although I believe Dapol do make some Mk3 coaches for the HST?
Thanks for clearing this point up for me.
Stuart
Currently in respect to post nationalisation BR designed coaches;
Farish make MK1 & MK2 coaches to current standards of detail. They have previously produced all of MK 1 - 4 but to lesser detailed standards.
(There are also ancient models of MK1s by Minitrix and Lima but these are best avoided.)
Dapol make MK3 coaches to current standards. (both HST trailer and loco-hauled variants)
Grouping Era coaches (built 1923-47 but many were still in service with British rail into the 1960s) are commonly referred to be the name of the designer or Chief Engineer when they were introduced.
Farish make LMS "Staniers"; LNER "Thompsons"; GWR "Hawksworths"; SR "Bullieds"
Dapol make LNER "Gresleys"; GWR "Colletts"; SR "Maunsells"
Some good facts there from our members. :thumbsup:
Out of curiosity, what's on the jigsaw above the layout, Stuart? I can see track!
@Airfix 27 RA (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=8711) Can the thread title be made a bit more relevant to the actual question asked please?
I thought this was going to be another general discussion/argument about which is best :D
Quote from: ntpntpntp on December 05, 2020, 01:50:29 PM
@Airfix 27 RA (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=8711) Can the thread title be made a bit more relevant to the actual question asked please?
I have fixed it.
Quote from: Bealman on December 05, 2020, 12:55:50 PM
Some good facts there from our members. :thumbsup:
Out of curiosity, what's on the jigsaw above the layout, Stuart? I can see track!
I'm going to stick my neck out here and guess that it's a train :thumbsup:
@Airfix 27 RA (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=8711)
Stuart - this site may be of some help although it doesn't cover everything.
http://ngauge.org.uk/index.php (http://ngauge.org.uk/index.php)
Quote from: Bealman on December 05, 2020, 12:55:50 PM
Some good facts there from our members. :thumbsup:
Out of curiosity, what's on the jigsaw above the layout, Stuart? I can see track!
It is a train puzzle, it depicts an engine shed area, with five loco's in view.
An engine shed coaling area etc, put up on the wall about ten years ago.
Three walls of my model room are covered in jigsaw puzzles.
@Airfix 27 RA (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=8711) I'm pleased you have been given the information needed to sort out the differences between the assorted coach types. Norman
I'd like to see the jigsaw puzzles! ;)
Quote from: Bealman on December 05, 2020, 11:05:02 PM
I'd like to see the jigsaw puzzles! ;)
Pm sent with pics, all severn of them.
Stuart
Got em.
Cool!! :thumbsup:
I think you should show all severn of them on here :thumbsup:
Quote from: Trainfish on December 06, 2020, 01:03:30 PM
I think you should show all severn of them on here :thumbsup:
OK here goes. As one can just about see, making model kits, is actually my main hobby.
Model railways are not, that is why my knowledge on the subject is very limited. I only
started playing with trains, to make a change from just building a model and then for it
to lie around doing nothing, the one exception is the radio controlled boat.
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I hope you have enjoyed looking at these pics. The kits you can see are only a small part of my collection,
I have have approx. half a wardrobe full of kits waiting to be built Some of the models are also in other
rooms of the house. yes, senior management even allowed me to display two models of American trucks
in the living room!! Stuart
I love them Stuart, best wallpaper I've ever seen. It looks like you have a great setup in that room :thumbsup:
Yeah, agree. It's cool. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Trainfish on December 06, 2020, 01:33:42 PM
I love them Stuart, best wallpaper I've ever seen. It looks like you have a great setup in that room :thumbsup:
Just seen your layout for first time. WOW really cool man! I think you have a really great set up yourself.
I like the music, what do you think about King Crimson, Yes, Atomic Rooster etc.
I noticed on the camping bit, a Deutsche Post VW Kaefer on a camping holiday in England.
How did he/she get that one past his/her boss?
I noticed you are partial to a few models as well, keep it up man.
Stuart
My loft room isn't huge but a good size for N gauge. Wallpaper isn't as good as yours though.
As for the music I have quite a varied taste and yes (no pun intended), I like all of those you mention and many many more. You will notice that 99% of the time you will hear Floyd on my videos though.
I take it you mean the yellow Beetle? I have no idea how it got there but it obviously slipped through customs somehow. It also slipped through my spreadsheet as I can't see it on there anywhere. Most of my vehicles are from Oxford (diecast) and listed in my spreadsheet but it doesn't seem to be there. Maybe it's not an OD model, I'll need to check next time I'm in the loft.
I don't really build models though. The planes in the flying museum are all diecast and bought as you see them. Generally they are 1:144 and work well on the layout. I need a couple more, a Harrier and a Red Arrow Hawk ideally but they're not easy to find ready built. I'm in no hurry though.
Back on topic, I struggle with mk1 and mk2 coaches too. I generally say that if they have knobbly bits on the roof then they're mk1. If the roof is smooth then they're mk2. I don't think this is strictly true but as I generally model the blue/grey era it works for me. I struggled with mk3 v mk4 until the other day too. I believe the main difference there is slam doors on the mk3 and push button on the mk4, I may be wrong though.