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Title: Magnetic couplings
Post by: thebrighton on July 14, 2020, 09:39:32 AM
Just found these online, they look an innovative way of coupling things together and appear less intrusive than current couplings.
https://www.westhillwagonworks.co.uk/couplings-new-c-2/hunt-couplings-original-n-gauge-c-16/ (https://www.westhillwagonworks.co.uk/couplings-new-c-2/hunt-couplings-original-n-gauge-c-16/)
https://www.westhillwagonworks.co.uk/couplings-new-c-2/hunt-couplings-elite-n-gauge-new-c-23/ (https://www.westhillwagonworks.co.uk/couplings-new-c-2/hunt-couplings-elite-n-gauge-new-c-23/)
Seems to be normal magnets then an Elite range that defy physics as polarity doesn't matter!
Has anyone got any and had a play?
Title: Re: Magnetic couplings
Post by: emjaybee on July 14, 2020, 10:13:45 AM
Have a look on FleaBay, I'm almost certain I spotted some on there going cheap.
Title: Re: Magnetic couplings
Post by: thebrighton on July 14, 2020, 10:28:28 AM
Quote from: emjaybee on July 14, 2020, 10:13:45 AM
Have a look on FleaBay, I'm almost certain I spotted some on there going cheap.
That's where I first saw them ;)
Title: Re: Magnetic couplings
Post by: Jim Easterbrook on July 14, 2020, 10:31:11 AM
No need to defy physics, just use a small magnet placed horizontally so the N pole is on the left and the S pole is on the right. When coupling to an identical coupler the unlike poles will be adjacent and attract to make the coupling.
Title: Re: Magnetic couplings
Post by: thebrighton on July 14, 2020, 04:09:25 PM
Thanks for reversing the merged threads and deleting messages as if nothing had ever happened but the 3 posts above this one should be in my thread not this one.
Title: Re: Magnetic couplings
Post by: Railwaygun on July 14, 2020, 06:56:53 PM
all fixed (??)
Title: Re: Magnetic couplings
Post by: thebrighton on July 14, 2020, 08:23:26 PM
Quote from: Jim Easterbrook on July 14, 2020, 10:31:11 AM
No need to defy physics, just use a small magnet placed horizontally so the N pole is on the left and the S pole is on the right. When coupling to an identical coupler the unlike poles will be adjacent and attract to make the coupling.
When I did O level physics magnetism hadn't been invented....... ;)
That'll be why the normal ones are circular and the Elite are rectangular :)
Title: Re: Magnetic couplings
Post by: jamespetts on July 20, 2020, 12:37:28 PM
Another possibility to consider are the Peho electrically conductive magnetic couplings. However, these are only available in the NEM versions and can be somewhat bulky, with a large gap between the vehicles.
Title: Re: Magnetic couplings
Post by: geoffc on July 22, 2020, 09:57:10 AM
I made some of these by cutting off the hook on a rapido coupler and glueing a small magnet in its place. The result was unsucessful as there was no way to stop the magnets connecting offset with the result that the stock derailed on curves and points. Unless these have a means of connecting inline then they are in my mind a waste of time.

Geoff
Title: Re: Magnetic couplings
Post by: woodbury22uk on July 22, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: geoffc on July 22, 2020, 09:57:10 AM
Unless these have a means of connecting inline then they are in my mind a waste of time.

Geoff

The magnet is fixed to match the centre line of the coupler pocket so they couple in line by design.
Title: Re: Magnetic couplings
Post by: ntpntpntp on July 22, 2020, 01:13:02 PM
Quote from: geoffc on July 22, 2020, 09:57:10 AM
I made some of these ...Unless these have a means of connecting inline then they are in my mind a waste of time.

No problems with the Peho couplings, they line up correctly when brought together.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/97/5885-220720131253.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=97233)
Title: Re: Magnetic couplings
Post by: geoffc on July 22, 2020, 02:18:30 PM
Quote from: woodbury22uk on July 22, 2020, 12:48:27 PM
Quote from: geoffc on July 22, 2020, 09:57:10 AM
Unless these have a means of connecting inline then they are in my mind a waste of time.

Geoff

The magnet is fixed to match the centre line of the coupler pocket so they couple in line by design.

That is exactly what I did, but if the coupling pockets are on the body and not the bogie and can swing as per the Dapol IOA then they will misalign. If the coupling are fitted to non swinging coupling on 4 wheel stock there is no articulation between the stock. My advice to anybody wanting to try these buy one pair and see what happens to with your stock.

Geoff
Title: Re: Magnetic couplings
Post by: woodbury22uk on July 22, 2020, 02:44:37 PM
My experience is not with the Dapol IOA, but they certainly work in body-mounted couplers of a Farish Class 350 and between Dapol Mk3s both run in pull and push mode.
Title: Re: Magnetic couplings
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on July 22, 2020, 03:44:25 PM
Quote from: ntpntpntp on July 22, 2020, 01:13:02 PM
No problems with the Peho couplings, they line up correctly when brought together.

(https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/97/5885-220720131253.jpeg) (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=97233)

I've been meaning to get some of those for ages, never seem to remember.  So as soon as I saw your photo I bunged an order in - just got to sit and wait now 8)
Title: Re: Magnetic couplings
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on July 22, 2020, 03:49:22 PM
Quote from: thebrighton on July 14, 2020, 09:39:32 AM
Has anyone got any and had a play?

There's a thread on them at https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=48356.0 (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=48356.0)
Title: Re: Magnetic couplings
Post by: woodbury22uk on September 06, 2020, 09:05:16 AM
A friend of mine in France has home-brewed some magnetic couplers by chopping off the hook and fixing two magnets on the flat face. This is his test train of 60 bogie wagons. The opening shot shows the concept of the coupler. I think that there could be a neater variation with the magnets sunk into the flat face and with a 10 thou/0.25 mm cover plate glued over it. Would need testing.

https://youtu.be/j8su0qxDDVc
Title: Re: Magnetic couplings
Post by: Trainfish on September 06, 2020, 12:46:48 PM
I think the train in that video needs to be a bit longer to fully test the strength of the magnets  :doh:
Title: Re: Magnetic couplings
Post by: woodbury22uk on September 06, 2020, 04:08:53 PM
Quote from: Trainfish on September 06, 2020, 12:46:48 PM
I think the train in that video needs to be a bit longer to fully test the strength of the magnets  :doh:

His 60 wagon consist was as much as the two Minitrix locos could pull up his 1 in 50 helix. :-)