Hi
I am thinking of adding a rake of the older Graham Farish Pullman coaches to my collection
I am looking at the older wooden sided versions k type I think (you can tell I am no expert) so what did Farish produce
We're they only produced by Farish in Pool or were any produced in China by Bachmann Farish
The few I have seen had very poor printing on the sides is the normal or care some better than others,
What coaches were produced
Thanks
NGM
Back in the 70s I had a rake of the original models in brown & cream: full coaches and a brake. Plastic wheels and U-bend couplings. Yes the printing was a bit fuzzy but I loved them at the time.
There was a run of them in blue (CIWL?), but they're very hard to come by. I had one pass through my hands once many years ago, selling on for a friend.
The basic variants are a parlour and a brake parlour.
The brake is a 1928 type, the parlour is based on an earlier converted first class carriage which should be a 12 wheeler (but isn't because, you know, poole era farish generic designs).
Earlier models had very bad printing that's prone to fading quite badly. However by the end of their run there were some with alternative names (I believe three parlour variants) and better quality tamp printing. There were also revisions to the under frame over the years, but the bodies stayed the same.
Almost all were in the usual pullman brown and cream livery other than a vanishingly rare few in wagons lits blue livery. Rare enough I've never seen one.
Hi NGM,
I have always loved the luxury and old style charm of pullman coaches, and have a rake of Mk 1 pullmans.
Looking through E bay, as I often do, I saw this rake .....
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graham-Farish-Pullman-Coaches-x-4-N-Gauge/174105823396?hash=item28898408a4:g:WHkAAOSwhYNd2prH (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Graham-Farish-Pullman-Coaches-x-4-N-Gauge/174105823396?hash=item28898408a4:g:WHkAAOSwhYNd2prH)
They seem in good condition, and if the price doesn't get silly, seem good value.
All best wishes
Kevin
:beers:
PS. The sale has nothing to do with me ......just passing on the info :thumbsup:
Thanks, Kevin! :thumbsup:
They look very tasty, except I don't know how to work eBay! :beers:
Here's a secret George ...... neither do I :whisper:
However my friend Trisha does, trouble is she also runs a Pub, so any time she helps me bid for anything, rum and cider is involved and I end up paying more than I really should :-[ ::) :-[
All best wishes
Kevin
:beers:
What an awesome friend!! :beers:
Can we be introduced? ;)
We're they all Poole made or were any produced in China.?
NGM
Hi @N_GaugeModeller (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7874)
Bachmann did not produce the old Pullman cars in China alas. It would have been good to see what they would have been like with improved assembly/finish.
As to why? I am not sure. Possibly the moulds were worn out as these coaches date back to the first years of Farish or may be they thought them too generic.
They look good on a layout and I am surprised Farish or Dapol have not bitten the bullet and produced modern K type Pullmans. These Pullman cars would fit well with Dapol's collection of Pacific locomotives.
Ah well, I am sure the manufacturers know best.
Kind regards
Paddy
Indeed, as good as the MetCam Mk1 pullmans are I would love a rake of 7 K types for the Golden Arrow.
I think a proper 7 car Golden Arrow special edition set with proper coach names and table lamps for £300 would sell a very good number.
Even a 3d print company that could give us perfect examples of the Brake and Parlour with correct bogies would be a very nice thing.
Maybe they will reach the drawing board somewhere sometime :hmmm:
Hi @exmouthcraig (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=5099)
Well, Hornby keep producing them in OO so I assume they are popular. I would even be happy with something akin to Hornby's Railroad Pullmans if well executed and the price came in around Dapol's Gresleys.
Kind regards
Paddy
Yep, me too. :thumbsup:
Seconded
Me too
And me
I'd certainly be very keen. I can imagine them being upwards of £30 a coach for the set as tooling costs have gone up since the gresley and there would be less demand for re-runs (how many pullmans can a layout need?) but I'd still buy a rake or two at that price, and a load of singles for less specialised boat trains too!
My layout is LMS but I have some LNER, GWR & SR locos.
Although I do have a rake of LNER coaches and a rake of GWR coaches a rake of vintage Pullmans would be welcome to provide a bit of variety behind my non-LMS locos.
Quote from: Capri_sam on November 28, 2019, 11:46:31 AM
I'd certainly be very keen. I can imagine them being upwards of £30 a coach for the set as tooling costs have gone up since the gresley and there would be less demand for re-runs (how many pullmans can a layout need?) but I'd still buy a rake or two at that price, and a load of singles for less specialised boat trains too!
Oooh, loads @Capri_sam (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6236)! They are the sort of coach that people just love to own IMHO and will find an excuse. Plus, most people who had a Hornby train set in the youth probably had their wooden Pullmans.
;)
Kind regards
Paddy
I noticed on the Bayofevil that there is a Guy in Croatia selling decals for the sides of the old K coaches
Anyone used them, do they off the sort of improvement they seem to looking at his photographs
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Water-slide-decals-LNER-GWR-Graham-Farish-Pullman-dining-car-0646-N-1-148/293115476217 (https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Water-slide-decals-LNER-GWR-Graham-Farish-Pullman-dining-car-0646-N-1-148/293115476217)
NGM
Tried 'em, came to peices when wet,still got one side somewhere.
Quote from: Paddy on November 28, 2019, 08:20:00 AM
Hi @N_GaugeModeller (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=7874)
They look good on a layout and I am surprised Farish or Dapol have not bitten the bullet and produced modern K type Pullmans. These Pullman cars would fit well with Dapol's collection of Pacific locomotives.
Ah well, I am sure the manufacturers know best.
Paddy
I agree, you would think a popular carriage which spans the best part of a century would be a no-brainer, especially for these new manufacturers getting into the market looking for a safe bet. Make more sense to me than a complex 2-6-0+0-6-2 Steam locomotive :hmmm:
Quote from: exmouthcraig on November 28, 2019, 08:54:15 AM
Indeed, as good as the MetCam Mk1 pullmans are I would love a rake of 7 K types for the Golden Arrow.
I think a proper 7 car Golden Arrow special edition set with proper coach names and table lamps for £300 would sell a very good number.
We had a rake of 7 plodding round our train set behind a Poole Bulleid at a recent show and from a normal viewing angle (hopefully in a video below) they still looked quite nice, even among the more detailed much younger stock it shared the line with and didn't look very out of place. They would certainly be replaced with an up to date version, should every some appear though. As will that Bulleid if Dapol get their skates on.
Quote from: N_GaugeModeller on November 28, 2019, 03:47:38 PM
I noticed on the Bayofevil that there is a Guy in Croatia selling decals for the sides of the old K coaches
Anyone used them, do they off the sort of improvement they seem to looking at his photographs
No idea if it would be the same decals, but I did see some that had some sort of additional printed side at a show a few years back. They may of been poorly applied but I wasn't convinced it was much of an improvement over the standard look up close, and hardly made a difference passing at speed.
@Upperton (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6712) yeah they do look very good still.
We have the rake of 7 all with the proper Golder Arrow Fleche D'or logos and correct names complete with 2cct for luggage but to have a brand new build over these, which I spent a small fortune on over 10years ago on 70s stock, would make an amazing sight behind the GF Merchant Navy, as were missing a slightly smaller loco :'(
Hi @Upperton (https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=6712)
Have to agree about Hatton's Beyer Garratt. I am sure it will be a lovely model but seems a risky subject? May be I am missing the point and it will sell like hot cakes.
As for the replacement transfers, Precision Labels makes them as well...
http://www.precisionlabels.com/l12.html? (http://www.precisionlabels.com/l12.html?)
Kind regards
Paddy