I'm trying to get a grip on what would be correct, or at least be plausible, behind a DP1? Be that coaches, wagons, etc..
Thanks!
How about maroon or blood and custard Mk1's. Or perhaps a rake of Mk1 pullmans would look nice even if not prototypical (or perhaps it is!)
:beers:
Someone's going to correct me BUT wasn't a deltic the motive power for the Tynes Tees pullman with blue grey pullmans of metro cammell type?????
Quote from: austinbob on February 05, 2017, 07:34:35 PM
How about maroon or blood and custard Mk1's. Or perhaps a rake of Mk1 pullmans would look nice even if not prototypical (or perhaps it is!)
:beers:
Something like this? http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=classifieds;sa=view;id=2817# (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=classifieds;sa=view;id=2817#)
How about this :
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8307/7993241484_3cc202eeb2_b.jpg
Quote from: port perran on February 05, 2017, 07:54:19 PM
How about this :
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8307/7993241484_3cc202eeb2_b.jpg
Excellent!! Now, what am I seeing there? :D :thankyousign:
Quote from: scottmitchell74 on February 05, 2017, 07:53:35 PM
Quote from: austinbob on February 05, 2017, 07:34:35 PM
How about maroon or blood and custard Mk1's. Or perhaps a rake of Mk1 pullmans would look nice even if not prototypical (or perhaps it is!)
:beers:
Something like this? http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=classifieds;sa=view;id=2817# (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=classifieds;sa=view;id=2817#)
That's the ticket!!!
:)
Quote from: port perran on February 05, 2017, 07:54:19 PM
How about this :
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8307/7993241484_3cc202eeb2_b.jpg
That's a superb picture.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: scottmitchell74 on February 05, 2017, 07:56:20 PM
Quote from: port perran on February 05, 2017, 07:54:19 PM
How about this :
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8307/7993241484_3cc202eeb2_b.jpg
Excellent!! Now, what am I seeing there? :D :thankyousign:
Thats a great question. Im no expert on coaching stock.
Looks like Mk1s mainly in maroon. Someone will be along soon with a definitive answer.
yeah i would say maroon mk1s would look best
way before my time though!
what is the first coach behind the loco? not a mk1 so far as i can tell.
tim
Yes, that first coach puzzles me, too. Possibly an old Gresley converted into a lab car for measuring speed, etc? Dunno! :hmmm:
Cant work out what any of the coaches are after the carmine & cream one (Which looks MK1ish) (Think is 12 cars in length)
With the exception of the second Coach the other coaches between the Cream and DP1 are Gresley coaches.
I don't know enough about this era of coaching stock to know if the second second coach is a MK1 or an late LMS design but I would have though MK1.
Remember it wasn't until all those mainlines and branches were closed that they had enough coaches to send all the prenationalisation stock to the scrappers.
From the underframe, I think its a Mk1. The first coach, and probably 3,4,5+6 look like Gresley. I think the location is Highdyke.
A photo taken in 1967, in a book I have, the train on the WCML seems to be all maroon Mk1s. Another photo on the WCML has a Stanier leading coach; a third photo on the ECML has a maroon mk1.
In early WCML trials it ran 'overnight freight trains' between London and Liverpool; later it was used regularly on the 'Manxman' and 'Shamrock' trains.
In 1959, it transferred to the ECML and ran service trains at least on the former GN mainline an in Scotland. Google has some leads on the turns it worked, though most references are very short.
Martyn
As DP1 was built in 1955 I intend to run mine with a rake of crimson/cream MK1s
Quote from: port perran on February 05, 2017, 07:54:19 PM
How about this :
https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8307/7993241484_3cc202eeb2_b.jpg
I have just looked at this fantastic photo, and I can see that 5 of the first 6 coaches are Gresley's, coach No2 being a mark 1
Regards,
Alex
First use of the Prototype Deltic was on the London Midland Region. As well as the trains names above, the Merseyside Express being another common working as well as a short spell on the Thames-Clyde via the Settle & Carlisle route. At that time Staniers in Crimson & Cream were most common, transitioning into Maroon livery and latterly superseded by Mk1s.
Later use was on the East Coast Main Line. Any combination of Gresleys, Thompsons and Mk1s, mostly Maroon with the odd C&C as nicely demonstrated by the excellent photo linked above. Different coach types were more likely to be mixed on the ER than the LMR, with more Gresley/Thompsons at the beginning and more Mk1s towards the end of her working life.
Quote from: newportnobby on February 05, 2017, 09:49:40 PM
As DP1 was built in 1955 I intend to run mine with a rake of crimson/cream MK1s
:D :D :D :D :D :D
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e02ur62i8fbjm56/DP1%20on%20Kimbolted.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/e02ur62i8fbjm56/DP1%20on%20Kimbolted.MOV?dl=0)
Quote from: newportnobby on February 08, 2017, 11:55:19 AM
Quote from: newportnobby on February 05, 2017, 09:49:40 PM
As DP1 was built in 1955 I intend to run mine with a rake of crimson/cream MK1s
:D :D :D :D :D :D
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e02ur62i8fbjm56/DP1%20on%20Kimbolted.MOV?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/e02ur62i8fbjm56/DP1%20on%20Kimbolted.MOV?dl=0)
That model of a very avant-garde 21st century tower block (all glass and subtle horizontal displacements breaking up the perpendicular) behind the signal box does look a bit out of place though :angel:
Quote from: scottmitchell74 on February 05, 2017, 07:11:47 PM
I'm trying to get a grip on what would be correct, or at least be plausible, behind a DP1? Be that coaches, wagons, etc..
Thanks!
Ex-LMS Stanier Blood&Custard will do it, or maybe Crimson&Cream Maunsell coaches, I do like them :)
Quote from: funnysunny365 on February 08, 2017, 12:25:54 PM
Ex-LMS Stanier Blood&Custard
:thumbsup: Yes - I said that three days ago! (Though Maroon was equally valid later in her time on the LM region...)
Quote from: PLD on February 05, 2017, 10:46:46 PM
First use of the Prototype Deltic was on the London Midland Region... ... At that time Staniers in Crimson & Cream were most common, transitioning into Maroon livery and latterly superseded by Mk1s.
Quote from: funnysunny365 on February 08, 2017, 12:25:54 PMor maybe Crimson&Cream Maunsell coaches
:thumbsdown: A definite NO! No Deltic ever worked on the Southern Region and Maunsell coaches off the Southern Region was extremely rare...
Quote from: PLD on February 05, 2017, 10:46:46 PM
First use of the Prototype Deltic was on the London Midland Region. As well as the trains names above, the Merseyside Express being another common working as well as a short spell on the Thames-Clyde via the Settle & Carlisle route. At that time Staniers in Crimson & Cream were most common, transitioning into Maroon livery and latterly superseded by Mk1s.
Later use was on the East Coast Main Line. Any combination of Gresleys, Thompsons and Mk1s, mostly Maroon with the odd C&C as nicely demonstrated by the excellent photo linked above. Different coach types were more likely to be mixed on the ER than the LMR, with more Gresley/Thompsons at the beginning and more Mk1s towards the end of her working life.
whilst on the ECML did it have trouble at Darlington Bank Top , the 'scratch' is still visible on the platform edge , thus banning it from future station stop's , although it brought changes to the lower body (tumblehome) on the production 55's.
Another with a mix of Gresley and Mk1 stock. I think this was pretty common on the ECML.
(http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_03_2010/post-1-126796737309_thumb.jpg)
As mentioned earlier, Stanier stock was common in its early days on the LMR.
(http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/00001-jr-carter-deltic1.jpg)
(http://www.warwickshirerailways.com/lms/lnwr/nuneaton/station/lnwrns1652.jpg)
And now for something slightly more unusual. :D
(http://www.rail.co.uk/images/7801/original/2-Prototype-Deltin-under-test-by-Richard-Nixon.jpg)
Some more great pictures. Brings back very nostalgic memories trainspotting on all stations from Kings Cross to New Barnet.
Happy days!!
:beers:
Quote from: Karhedron on February 09, 2017, 04:31:17 PM
And now for something slightly more unusual. :D
(http://www.rail.co.uk/images/7801/original/2-Prototype-Deltin-under-test-by-Richard-Nixon.jpg)
:o :thumbsup:
Wonderful!!
I think the coach is the Thompson Dynamometer Car DE320041 / DB999500 / TEST CAR 2 confirming this is a test run and the (fitted) coal wagons are being used possibly for a starting load test...
(http://www.traintesting.com/images/ER%20Dynamometer%20car%20DE320041-1.jpg)
See: http://www.traintesting.com/test_car_2.htm (http://www.traintesting.com/test_car_2.htm)
Quote from: martyn on February 05, 2017, 09:35:26 PM
From the underframe, I think its a Mk1. The first coach, and probably 3,4,5+6 look like Gresley. I think the location is Highdyke.
A photo taken in 1967, in a book I have, the train on the WCML seems to be all maroon Mk1s. Another photo on the WCML has a Stanier leading coach; a third photo on the ECML has a maroon mk1.
In early WCML trials it ran 'overnight freight trains' between London and Liverpool; later it was used regularly on the 'Manxman' and 'Shamrock' trains.
In 1959, it transferred to the ECML and ran service trains at least on the former GN mainline an in Scotland. Google has some leads on the turns it worked, though most references are very short.
Martyn
Yes I was on an Ian Allan Spotters' Club excursion returning to Euston from Crewe and DP1 passed us heading an up fitted freight. Pity there doesn't seem to be any photographic evidence of it on freight, apart from the 'Minfit' test.