This set only comes with 2 Mk 1 coaches a BSK & a SO.
Does anyone know the running number of the Second Open supplied with this set?
The reason I ask is if I bought this set I would want to buy a couple more SO's or SK's and would like them to match the one with the set rather than an older tooling.
Although there are a couple types of 1st class coaches currently available I can't trace any 2nd class ones
Any info much appreciated.
Ray
I have the set but I can't find the SO to read off the running number. I thought the brake was a composite, so BCK rather than BSK.
In my collection I've got the following chocolate and cream coaches, which are all the new-style so will go with the set coaches:
374-818 Mk1 First Open W3085
374-082 Mk1 Brake Corridor Composite W21080
374-189B Mk1 Brake Second Corridor W34855
374-014A Mk1 Second Open W3791
374-064B Mk1 Second Corridor W24747
374-256A Mk1 Composite Corridor W15777
374-019 Mk1 RMB W1813
Hi,
Don't have the set but the info I've seen suggests:
SO W3791
BCK W21080
Many thanks Guys
Yes it is a BCK not a BSK (slip of the finger there)
The info is great, I can now start looking to see if I can source the additional coaches.
Ray
If it helps; all loco, coaches and wagons included in Farish sets have numbers unique to that set, so as long as you don't buy from someone splitting the same set, there is no danger of duplicating numbers...
Quote from: PLD on December 14, 2015, 11:46:07 PM
If it helps; all loco, coaches and wagons included in Farish sets have numbers unique to that set, so as long as you don't buy from someone splitting the same set, there is no danger of duplicating numbers...
Not sure if that's true, BCK W21080 is 374-082 and SO W3791 is 374-014A, see coaches listed in johnlambert's post.
Also, see http://www.ngauge.org.uk (http://www.ngauge.org.uk)
Definitely not true. The rolling stock in the Newspaper Train set is duplicated by individual items (GUV & BG), and (from memory) at least the restaurant car in the Cumbrian Express is a duplicate.
Well ... it makes sense for them to run off a further 512 (or however many sets they made) coaches of each number ... no need to reset the line for several small runs, just bash out a few more of the normal ones :(
I guess more of us will have to learn the "black art" of renumbering :P
The numbers are so small that I can't read them so I don't have a problem with duplicate numbers.
Have to agree that running numbers are so small you can't read them from normal viewing distance (at least I can't) and duplication of numbers is not a problem for me.
My reasons for wanting to know them was so I could match the tooling and hopefully the actual colours of the livery of any extra coaches I might buy. So hopefully if the SO number is available outside the set I might be able to pick up another one or two of that one.
Ray
I've seen quite a few dealers with the Riviera coaches split from the set, so you might well find some extra ones to make up a longer train. And hopefully not have to pay too much (relatively speaking).
Trying to mix old and new-style coaches doesn't work (strictly in my opinion). I had some old-style chocolate and cream Graham Farish Mk1 coaches, which I bought cheaply. When I tried running them with the new ones the resulting train just didn't look right somehow and I ended up selling them on ebay. Now all my Graham Farish coaches are the latest type and I do think they look great running together.
It is worth noting that you could, and frequently did, see trains that were a mix of different liveries. I've seen a couple of pictures where the train included maroon, chocolate and cream and crimson and cream coaches. So if you can't get more chocolate and cream coaches don't be afraid to substitute other colours.
Quote from: johnlambert on December 15, 2015, 04:53:34 PM
Trying to mix old and new-style coaches doesn't work (strictly in my opinion). I had some old-style chocolate and cream Graham Farish Mk1 coaches, which I bought cheaply. When I tried running them with the new ones the resulting train just didn't look right somehow
Can you be a bit more analytical on that ? I would like to think that old-style & new-style would go together, unless the older ones weren't right or were visibly
less right than the new ones ...
Quote from: MikeDunn on December 15, 2015, 05:18:34 PM
Quote from: johnlambert on December 15, 2015, 04:53:34 PM
Trying to mix old and new-style coaches doesn't work (strictly in my opinion). I had some old-style chocolate and cream Graham Farish Mk1 coaches, which I bought cheaply. When I tried running them with the new ones the resulting train just didn't look right somehow
Can you be a bit more analytical on that ? I would like to think that old-style & new-style would go together, unless the older ones weren't right or were visibly less right than the new ones ...
Two things I noticed about old and new Mike is that the colours are noticeably different and the couplings of the newer coaches are much closer coupled. I actually took some of the old coaches back to my retailer for replacement by the newer versions because of these differences
:beers:
:( Minor colour differences are one thing; major ones ...
Cheers :)
Quote from: MikeDunn on December 15, 2015, 05:18:34 PM
Quote from: johnlambert on December 15, 2015, 04:53:34 PM
Trying to mix old and new-style coaches doesn't work (strictly in my opinion). I had some old-style chocolate and cream Graham Farish Mk1 coaches, which I bought cheaply. When I tried running them with the new ones the resulting train just didn't look right somehow
Can you be a bit more analytical on that ? I would like to think that old-style & new-style would go together, unless the older ones weren't right or were visibly less right than the new ones ...
Didn't have time for a more analytical post yesterday. In my view the shortcomings of the older-style Graham Farish Mk1 coaches (the ones with printed sides) are as follows:
Vast coupling gaps between old-style coaches
Very plain ends compared with the newer models
Roof detail is noticeably lacking (new models have separate wire handrails)
Body sides lack the level of detail of newer coaches
Under-frame detail is a lot simpler (not a huge issue when running as you can't see what's underneath)
Lack of NEM pockets making it harder to change couplings (I've fitted shorter couplings to a lot of my newer coaches to achieve more realistic coupling distances).
I'm sure it is possible to add detailing parts to improve the appearance of the old coaches. And it may be that the issue is mine and mine alone, but I wasn't happy mixing the two types. Here are a couple of photos, which will exaggerate the differences as they are quite close-up:
Old-style BR Mk1 BG in Chocolate and Cream
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/16/thumb_30288.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30288)
New style BR Mk1 BG in Chocolate and Cream
(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/16/thumb_30289.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=30289)
I would agree that the newer ones are much better. I have a small number of older coaches and I put these at the end of the train. With six new coaches behind the loco and then two old ones I don't really notice the old ones by the time they go past.
Quote from: johnlambert on December 16, 2015, 07:29:34 AM
In my view the shortcomings of the older-style Graham Farish Mk1 coaches (the ones with printed sides) are [...]
Cheers John ...
A little hard to tell with the separate photos (have to keep scrolling up & down), but yes, I agree ... one of the biggies that was very obvious was the level of detailing ...
Another (and I appreciate this may be if the two units are different Diagrams) was the door/window layout ...
I guess we're spoiled, given the current level we have ! To be honest - I'd be happy with a rake of
either type, but like you I wouldn't be happy mixing.
Not happy with mixing them either, especially in short rakes. The older versions don't look too bad, but the new ones seem to be from a different planet by comparison.
Somewhere on the forum there's some information on replacement couplings which shortens the distance between carriages.
Quote from: railsquid on December 17, 2015, 12:44:50 AM
Not happy with mixing them either, especially in short rakes. The older versions don't look too bad, but the new ones seem to be from a different planet by comparison.
Somewhere on the forum there's some information on replacement couplings which shortens the distance between carriages.
That would be in the corridor connection thread: http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=30524.0 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=30524.0)
@EtchedPixels (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=profile;u=222) posted a great suggestion on how to shorted the couplings on the old Mk1s without converting to NEM pockets or purchasing new short-shank couplers.
Success! managed to source a BCK & SO at Celtenham Models that had been split from a set, so I am now ready to go, thanks for the assistance guys.
Ray
hi i brought a 374-109 rmb in chocolate and cream for £20 from shadylane models [still on website tel 01237238872 worth a try if you want one
Thanks Ken, just placed order via the web, as they say still 2 in stock,but we will see.
Taking a bit of a chance on tooling & finish being up to current standard, if not it will have to join a formation of older models.
Ray
HI RAY IT THE LATER MODEL
GREAT!