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General Category => N Gauge Discussion => Topic started by: MalcolmInN on June 27, 2015, 10:20:02 PM

Title: Mixed traffic, Peco wagons/Farish coaches ?
Post by: MalcolmInN on June 27, 2015, 10:20:02 PM
I should really have titled this "Uncoupling" but feared the groans of "oh no not another one "  ;D
Bear with me , ,

Prologue :
I have (just about) got a working Inglenook using Peco wagons with magnetic lift arms and neos on a stick.
Now I want to shunt, sort of end for end, a rake of 4 Farish coaches.

The problem :
The Rapido? couplings on the coaches do not have the same freedom of movement as the Peco ELC Apart from being spring loaded, which I read can be another prob, mine seem to be restricted in upward movement. They cannot lift far enough to clear the adjoining coupler. It seems that the other coupler needs to be simultaneously depressed ( which is where we reach for another G&T, oh sorry, I stray ) even when coupling to the Farish loco.
When coupling up, not the easy maneuver compared to the Peco which are a delight, it seems that one coupler in riding over the other pushes it down, so the coupling becomes complete. Not easily replicated magnetically upon uncoupling :(

The proposed solution :
I place a ( some) Peco wagon(s) infront of and behind the coaches and do the uncoupling of the loco from them.

an aside = the locos are all Farish but I can uncouple a Peco from them no bother /aside

The Question :
I know mixed freight/passenger did 'do', mostly perhaps on branch lines ?
BUT
Is there a real world symetrical arrangement that would satisfy, or are we back to Rule 1 ?

Thanks for reading this far, hope you are still awake :) :)  :smiley-laughing: ;D
Title: Re: Mixed traffic, Peco wagons/Farish coaches ?
Post by: maridunian on June 27, 2015, 11:03:42 PM
XP fish vans were often added to the end of passenger trains at ports/port branch junctions. Peco do some (over-long) examples; otoh Farish do some more accurate ones, but that takes you back to square 1! ;)

Mike
Title: Re: Mixed traffic, Peco wagons/Farish coaches ?
Post by: MalcolmInN on June 27, 2015, 11:16:05 PM
Quote from: maridunian on June 27, 2015, 11:03:42 PM
XP fish vans were often added to the end of passenger trains at ports/port branch junctions. Peco do some (over-long) examples; otoh Farish do some more accurate ones, but that takes you back to square 1! ;)

Mike
So could empties be coupled to the loco while full were added to the other end ?

Oh no ! that wouldnt work, there would not be full one end and empties the other going both ways  lol ! drat !
Yep sq 1&1/2 !!
Title: Re: Mixed traffic, Peco wagons/Farish coaches ?
Post by: zwilnik on June 27, 2015, 11:48:38 PM
Take a Peco 15ft chassis and stick a Farish (or other) 4 wheel coach body on it (the shredded wheat ones are good donors for this). Voila, coaching stock to match but on Peco chassis. Or do them as Baggage vans.
Title: Re: Mixed traffic, Peco wagons/Farish coaches ?
Post by: MalcolmInN on June 28, 2015, 12:11:59 AM
Quote from: Zwilnik on June 27, 2015, 11:48:38 PM
Take a Peco 15ft chassis and stick a Farish (or other) 4 wheel coach body on it (the shredded wheat ones are good donors for this). Voila, coaching stock to match but on Peco chassis. Or do them as Baggage vans.
Thank you, interesting , ,
goes off to google shredded wheat and coaching stock, not a combo that I would have contemplated earlier lol !
and Baggage vans

cheers.

Title: Re: Mixed traffic, Peco wagons/Farish coaches ?
Post by: MalcolmInN on June 28, 2015, 11:11:12 AM
Quote from: Zwilnik on June 27, 2015, 11:48:38 PM
the shredded wheat ones
and after a wee google --
Charming little models :) shame they seem to be as common as hens teeth :(

Quite a lot of talk about them on RMweb, including this post,
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/23062-why-do-farish-4w-fetch-so-much/#entry242642, (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/23062-why-do-farish-4w-fetch-so-much/#entry242642,)
so looks like they will remain like hen's teeth !

EDIT, that link didnt go to post #10 like it shudav :(
try again
http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/23062-why-do-farish-4w-fetch-so-much/#entry242642 (http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/23062-why-do-farish-4w-fetch-so-much/#entry242642)

Title: Re: Mixed traffic, Peco wagons/Farish coaches ?
Post by: Trev on June 28, 2015, 11:35:29 AM
I think Peco do the coupling pockets as a separate item.
You can turn the farish boogies 180 degrees and glue a peco coupling box to them then the magnetic lift arms can be used as you are with the wagon's

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PECO-NR-102-1-x-Pack-4-x-Couplings-Hardlon-Elsie-ELC-Type-Kits-N-Gauge-1-/121446302743 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PECO-NR-102-1-x-Pack-4-x-Couplings-Hardlon-Elsie-ELC-Type-Kits-N-Gauge-1-/121446302743)
Title: Re: Mixed traffic, Peco wagons/Farish coaches ?
Post by: Newportnobby on June 28, 2015, 12:02:33 PM
That sounds like a simple and effective solution, Trev :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Mixed traffic, Peco wagons/Farish coaches ?
Post by: MalcolmInN on June 28, 2015, 12:21:50 PM
Quote from: Trev on June 28, 2015, 11:35:29 AM
You can turn the farish boogies 180 degrees and glue a peco coupling box to them
Brill ! added to my todo list.
Thanks Trev, consider the "Thank you" button pressed several times ! :)
Title: Re: Mixed traffic, Peco wagons/Farish coaches ?
Post by: PostModN66 on June 28, 2015, 02:06:54 PM
Are we talking bogie coaches here?

If so there is always my trusty mod, which I think is simpler than the new coupling box mod (although I am sure this would work too).

Apologies to those who have seen this many times and are sick of it.........

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/thumb_8778.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8778)

(http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/gallery/53/thumb_8777.JPG) (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=8777)

As per - if you want to see it working here is one of my Lofthole vids.....

http://youtu.be/S_IF-CPyeI0 (http://youtu.be/S_IF-CPyeI0)

I promise this is the last time!!!

Cheers  Jon  :)



Title: Re: Mixed traffic, Peco wagons/Farish coaches ?
Post by: Trev on June 28, 2015, 03:50:23 PM
I'd forgotten about your previous tip Jon. :(
Title: Re: Mixed traffic, Peco wagons/Farish coaches ?
Post by: Caz on June 28, 2015, 08:12:32 PM
Even better, change the couplings to the Dapol EasiShunts and the world of uncoupling is your oyster.   ;)