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Title: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Silver Line on May 29, 2014, 05:42:36 PM
I have placed an advanced order for a set of  8 Kato/lLemke n gauge orient express coaches. Any ideas about which steam loco would be the best choice also will the coupling differ between models?
Alwyn
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Claude Dreyfus on May 29, 2014, 06:34:30 PM
If it is the Kato set, then it is the consist that visited Japan in the late 1980s.

http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10261533 (http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/10261533)

A nice C62 would be in order here!  ;)
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Silver Line on May 29, 2014, 06:59:59 PM
Thanks for the response, yes that's is the set I have on pre-order from Germany. There is another 7 part set which completes but no space for all  :(  I have looked at the C62 several times cannot recall if I have actually found one for sale except from Japan maybe. Does anyone have experience with this loco.

Alwyn
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Claude Dreyfus on May 29, 2014, 08:13:46 PM
Yes, I have a Kato C62. They are impressive beasts, with excellent haulage capacity - mine handles a 13-coach set with ease; managing this heavy train on our former layout's 1/40 gradient.

(http://i1218.photobucket.com/albums/dd417/Claude_Dreyfus/IMG_0711_zps169bd9d0.jpg)

In terms of availability; there are a couple of Tokaido line examples available here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kato-2019-2-Steam-Locomotive-Tokaido/dp/B00120QGZU (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kato-2019-2-Steam-Locomotive-Tokaido/dp/B00120QGZU)
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Silver Line on May 29, 2014, 09:09:43 PM
That sounds good to me many thanks

Alwyn
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Silver Line on May 29, 2014, 09:14:09 PM
Re purchases from Japan do we get charged import duty. Ive been caught purchasing from the US
Alwyn
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Claude Dreyfus on May 29, 2014, 09:27:01 PM
Yes, 9 times out of 10, if your purchase exceeds about £15.00, you will be hit with VAT and the dreaded Parcelfarce 'handling fee'. Sadly unavoidable, but par for the course when getting stuff otherwise unavailable in the UK/Europe.
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Silver Line on May 29, 2014, 09:31:40 PM
Thanks I thought that might be the case.  :'(

Alwyn
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Silver Line on May 29, 2014, 10:11:14 PM
 Just ordered one from http://www.osbornsmodels.com/ (http://www.osbornsmodels.com/) here in the UK Less than Amazon price and VAT included

Alwyn
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Railwaygun on June 02, 2014, 01:00:35 AM
DM-toys have a special offer on the 15 coach set

See NGF/bargains

Nick R
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Silver Line on June 02, 2014, 08:44:37 AM
Thank Nick I have ordered the 8 car set from them. As my layout is "Small" I didn't think the 15 coach would work. The loco might catch its own tail if you get my drift  :) The C62 has arrived just one niggle there was a very small plastic part loose in the box a bit like tubes. There are two studs on the back so it must fit in somewhere but I have been over the loco with a magnifier and cannot see where it has come off from.I cannot see it listed in any parts either.

Also can someone tell me why on the instructions there are left right arrows for the smoke funnel. I think I need to learn Japanese !!
Alwyn
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: marco neri on June 05, 2014, 09:45:08 AM

..the new set has not japanese trucks...has the european PP and M4P trucks...so you can pull it not necessarily by the jap C62....
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Silver Line on June 05, 2014, 09:51:34 AM
Thanks for the info
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: c6250 on June 07, 2014, 03:25:43 AM
Quote from: Silver Line on June 02, 2014, 08:44:37 AM
..... The C62 has arrived just one niggle there was a very small plastic part loose in the box a bit like tubes. There are two studs on the back so it must fit in somewhere but I have been over the loco with a magnifier and cannot see where it has come off from.I cannot see it listed in any parts either.

Also can someone tell me why on the instructions there are left right arrows for the smoke funnel. I think I need to learn Japanese !!
Alwyn

Which series of C62 did you buy? The 2017 or the 2019?

The loose part may be one of those pipes under the foot plate.
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The smoke funnel acts as a light switch that turns on/off the head light for multiple heading.

May I suggest to use the following locomotive. The D51-498 form Kato 2016 series. (not the round house 2006 series)
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Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Railwaygun on June 07, 2014, 09:58:05 AM
this may be of interest re teh

The Coach sets ( from Euro-N@yahoogroups.com)

Kato Orient Express sets
Fri Jun 6, 2014 2:44 pm (PDT) . Posted by:
"Blaine Bachman" blaineoftrains
All-

After a lot of head-scratching, I think I've figured out the 'story' when it comes to the five (yes, five) sets of Orient Express (NIOE) cars produced by Kato since 2008. To catch up on the prototype for these sets, visit http://blainestrains.org/pdfs/KatoOE_setReview.pdf (http://blainestrains.org/pdfs/KatoOE_setReview.pdf):

Sets 10-561 (five OE cars plus the Japanese head and tail cars) and 10-562 (six OE cars), released in Japan in 2008, are representative of the 1988 train as it circulated in Japan. The trucks are a Japanese style that resembles the 'Type P' trucks that were a standard in Europe.
Sets 10-1230 (eight OE cars) and 10-1231 (seven OE cars), released last month in Japan, include (AFAIK) all of the OE cars from the 1988 train. The trucks on these models are the Type Ps (though I seem to recall that at least one of the real cars had already been converted to a newer style - Minden-Deutz or Fiat). The carrying case covers bear the English "Paris to Hong Kong" which goes along with the European trucks.
A 15 car set exists carrying the number '23215' and includes all of the cars in the 10-1230 & 10-1231 sets. This is Lemke's (of Germany) catalog number, also released last month in Europe (and through Statside retailers of European models.
BTW, none of these cars have NEM pockets or close coupling mechanisms.

Not surprisingly, the Lemke set is listed at a price almost twice that of the pair of Kato sets (€498 ($680!) vs. $360). The only problem is that the Japanese market sets are already out of stock at many online retailers. I guess those guys need their 34-hour work weeks and 30 day vacations!!

-Blaine
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Silver Line on June 13, 2014, 12:03:42 PM
c6250Which series of C62 did you buy? The 2017 or the 2019?

The loose part may be one of those pipes under the foot plate.

The model I bought was the 2017

The loose part looks as though it may fit below the cab window next to the cab door steps. The 2017 doesn't have the same cab as the one in the photo of a D51-498 

What type of camera do you folks use to get those really close up pics? Not sure how I can show the close up details.
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Railwaygun on June 17, 2014, 08:43:52 AM
Some pics of the Coach set ( in Modellbahn Lippe)

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g181/railwaygun/P1010600_zps478e2a4c.jpg)

(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g181/railwaygun/P1010599_zps13b18bfd.jpg)
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Silver Line on June 17, 2014, 09:46:50 AM
I placed an order 3 weeks ago with this company and the coaches are not in stock the message said they would notify me when they got them I've hear nothing :'(.

last night I contacted DM-Toys and they have them and will ship today if ordered by 11 AM All done and the other order cancelled.
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Railwaygun on June 17, 2014, 11:11:32 PM
You were lucky - the MBSL sticker price was €490+ per set

Osbornes -£440

Dm-toys - €458

Amazon.uk -£183 +postage + customs ( 6 car addon set )



Support the local shops!

Here is a review of original sets

http://www.blainestrains.org/pdfs/KatoOE_setReview.pdf (http://www.blainestrains.org/pdfs/KatoOE_setReview.pdf)
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Railwaygun on June 17, 2014, 11:29:06 PM
 they were on the shelf 2 days ago!!
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Silver Line on June 18, 2014, 10:35:23 AM
Hi Railwaygun
It is the Kato 8 car set for the Orient Express that is on its way posted yesterday cost £200.04 including postage from DM toys.

Alwyn
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: c6250 on June 21, 2014, 04:17:41 AM
Quote from: Silver Line on June 13, 2014, 12:03:42 PM
What type of camera do you folks use to get those really close up pics? Not sure how I can show the close up details.

I usually use a Nokia PureView 808 for casual snap shot. I choose close up from the manu, take the photo, then crop out the required part.

By the way enjoy your new train. ;D
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: Silver Line on June 21, 2014, 10:50:46 AM
Thanks C6250 I have been using my Ipad up to now but not tried any really close up shots.  The Orient Express set has arrived it looks very smart in the box. I've not run it yet

Alwyn
Title: Re: Orient Express which loco ?
Post by: tutenkhamunsleeping on June 21, 2014, 12:00:01 PM
Quote from: Silver Line on June 21, 2014, 10:50:46 AM
I have been using my Ipad up to now but not tried any really close up shots.

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I find the iPad very handy for N gauge shots, the above close-up is one from the other day.

You can zoom in/out by pinching your thumb and forefinger together on the screen or vice-versa.  Press and hold your finger on the spot of your choice to lock focus/exposure.

Best to use a stand if you can, as well - mine cost a quid from one of those pound-bargainy stores that abound.