July's Model Rail slipped through the letterbox this morning, and includes the results of the 2013 wishlist.
for N the results were :
1. BR mk.1 TPO stowage van
2. BR class 92 co-co electric
3. BR class 117/118 Pressed Steel DMU
4. BR Cowans Sheldon 75t breakdown crane
=5. BR class 40 & GWR Churchward '43xx' 2-6-0
over to you, Bachman :bounce:
Interesting. Thats 3 of my 5 wants. Would have been four but it looks like an even better modern image crane is on its way in 3D print format.
That's one of my five... if it's painted as D200/40122....
i would definitely buy a class 40 and maybe a class 117 dmu if they were produced
so get cracking bachmann / dapol / hornby arnold!!!
tim
The 117/118 is just the DMU I need and although I don't necessarily want a Churchward Mogul it would be useful to have one, I could probably find room for a Class 40 diesel too in all over green or with small yellow panels.
On the other hand I'm sure my overdraft would rather these never made production :smiley-laughing:
Farish do a class 40 currently don't they? Presumably there are problems with it? What am I missing?
One of the old models - not DCC ready, no lights, etc ;)
Paul
Quote from: Sprintex on June 10, 2013, 10:41:32 PM
One of the old models - not DCC ready, no lights, etc ;)
Paul
And splits gears like they were made of rice paper...
:laughabovepost:
Paul
Ah right, gotcha!
What about the peaks. Suffer from the same problem?
Quote from: ScottyStitch on June 11, 2013, 07:56:24 AM
Ah right, gotcha!
What about the peaks. Suffer from the same problem?
Again, not DCC ready, no lights etc.
The bogies need 'slimming down' too
Yep I was aware of that, but was referring more to the stripping gear problem.
I have to say the lights, etc, don't concern me that much, and it looks pretty much how it's supposed to I'd say, apart from the buffer beam being part of the bogie (!).
Quote from: ScottyStitch on June 11, 2013, 01:09:39 PM
Yep I was aware of that, but was referring more to the stripping gear problem.
I have to say the lights, etc, don't concern me that much, and it looks pretty much how it's supposed to I'd say, apart from the buffer beam being part of the bogie (!).
I would take a look at a real one if I was you. The buffer beam *is* part of the bogie !
Not had any problem with gears beyond the usual and they can be replaced. Lights would need adding but for its era it isn't a bad model.
Alan
Quote from: EtchedPixels on June 11, 2013, 03:21:23 PM
Not had any problem with gears beyond the usual and they can be replaced. Lights would need adding but for its era it isn't a bad model.
Alan
I agree. I have 3 Peaks and am perfectly happy with them. Just one split gear so far but easy to replace.
I would rather that Bachmann/Farish used their resources to update some of their outdated models such as the 8F. A Split-Headcode Peak would be nice though!
David
Quote from: Thorpe Parva on June 11, 2013, 03:31:17 PM
I would rather that Bachmann/Farish used their resources to update some of their outdated models such as the 8F. A Split-Headcode Peak would be nice though!
Very easy conversion to do especially if you avoid picking the tiny number that also had nose doors.
Alan
:greatpicturessign:
Quote from: EtchedPixels on June 11, 2013, 03:21:23 PM
Quote from: ScottyStitch on June 11, 2013, 01:09:39 PM
Yep I was aware of that, but was referring more to the stripping gear problem.
I have to say the lights, etc, don't concern me that much, and it looks pretty much how it's supposed to I'd say, apart from the buffer beam being part of the bogie (!).
I would take a look at a real one if I was you. The buffer beam *is* part of the bogie !
Not had any problem with gears beyond the usual and they can be replaced. Lights would need adding but for its era it isn't a bad model.
Alan
Pardon me, I must pay more attention.........
Have to say that the overall number of votes for even the top desired models would hardly encourage either of the 'big two' mainstream manufacturers to get excited! I guess, if they take any notice of such polls, that they must extrapolate the data to include the silent majority, i.e., the non-voters?
Personally none of my wishes (North Eastern-based 0-4-4 G5 and 0-6-0 J27) got listed :( Does anyone else out there model the NE area or am I in a very small minority? The whitemetal G5 kit (tooling now lost, I understand) is crude by today's standards and Dapol's chassis is difficult to get and to get to run properly, then it has to be modified for DCC. Similarly Union Mills J27 just doesn't look right to me (is the boiler too small in diameter?).
Having recently modified a Union Mills J25 into a J21, and brought it more up-to-date with all sorts of quite major modifications (especially the tender), I'm really not keen to have to go through that process again witha J27. It's a bit ironic that the photo of the East Anglian J15 in Model Rail was taken at Beamish Museum, Co. Durham, in NE heartland! :scowl:
On the DMU front I'm also a little surprised that no-one else seems to want a Derby Lightweight DMU, given that it's been available in 00 for some time now :'(
Ray at BHE has the highfield G5 moulds and was doing them at about £7.50 a set. It is basic but its a good basis and will fit the M7 with a bit of tweaking. Mine even has sound.
The fact it's basic actually helps as it's easier to detail than many such kits because you don't have to remove much first 8)
Alan
A 92 would be great. Still surprised Dapol canned theirs in favour of a 59.
Hi,
Quote from: njee20 on June 11, 2013, 08:39:26 PM
A 92 would be great. Still surprised Dapol canned theirs in favour of a 59.
Yup, a r-t-r 92 would be great, but if Dapol were disappointed by the slow return on the 86 - surely a 'banker' financially if the demand were really out there (I have the Network Rail pair even though I'll not be putting up OLE) - then their reluctance in putting more resources into these under present continuing 'hard times' is understandable I think.
As with the Pendolino, I'll be in the queue for the printed 92 http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=5668.90 (http://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=5668.90) as and when - I'm not concerned that even at my 'glacial' speed of working I could be overtaken by these returning to Dapol's
front-burner.
As for the other items of interest to me, as I mentioned on another topic Bachmann announced OO TPO stowage vans for 2013/14, so unless
they don't sell must be certain for N. And as EP touched upon, a printed modern Kirow rail crane is also fairly close now by the look of things - the same guy who made the Pendolino available - so the wallet has every right to be in hiding now 8)
Regards, Gerry.
I would expect a 92 from Farish if anyone. It's basically a class 60 for many of the components or at least the CAD basis.
I was rather hoping we'd have seen the 3D printed 92 by now but all alas seems quiet on that front still.
Alan
Quote from: njee20 on June 11, 2013, 08:39:26 PM
A 92 would be great. Still surprised Dapol canned theirs in favour of a 59.
That's not my understanding (that they canned it in favour of a class 59). Apparently they feel that the 'electric' loco market is not strong enough - having not had a massive success with the their class 86. They claim not to have cancelled the class 92 development but have simply put it on the back burner to bring it on when they feel the market is right for it. In fact they went to great lengths to say it wasn't 'cancelled'.
Still there are a few options avaiable - (a) CJM do a very nice one (with massive haulage capacity), (b) there is a 3D one in development and (c) it's probably possible to bash/scratch build one from a class 60. If none of those options appeal you could canvass Dapol and buy up all the class 86s to indicate that the market is now ready. :D
H.
Quote from: H on June 12, 2013, 10:13:49 AM
you could canvass Dapol and buy up all the class 86s to indicate that the market is now ready. :D
I've been trying :D
I agree with H - it wasn't a case of either/or for the 92 and 59. If manufacturers want to continue to expand their range then sooner or later they are going to have bite the bullet and take electric locos and EMUs more seriously.
I can't see Farish doing a 92 given they don't do it in 4mm (and both Hornby and Lima have produced models).
Cheers, Mike
Cheers, Mike
Hi Alan
Yep the class 92 project has been too quiet for too long. When we enquired about a 16 micron master for casting we got a quote of £250plus vat from the same firm that did the last one for ~£100. Bit of a shock. After a lot of looking and more quotes we finally got one a lot cheaper and that’s had a clean today and is sat here drying, plan then is inspection and then off to casting at CMA.
I’m really surprised that after all this time a RTR version hasn’t turned up!
Regards
Russ
Quote from: class37025 on June 10, 2013, 04:08:35 PM
July's Model Rail slipped through the letterbox this morning, and includes the results of the 2013 wishlist.
for N the results were :
1. BR mk.1 TPO stowage van
2. BR class 92 co-co electric
3. BR class 117/118 Pressed Steel DMU
4. BR Cowans Sheldon 75t breakdown crane
=5. BR class 40 & GWR Churchward '43xx' 2-6-0
On checking the full results the top ten N gauge 'wants' are;
1st - BR Mk1 TPO Stowage Brake Van
=2nd - Class 92 electric locomotive
=2nd - Working gated level crossing
4th - Working BR colour light signals
5th - Class 117/118 3-car DMU
6th - BR Cowans Sheldon 75t breakdown crane
=7th - GWR Churchward 43xx 2-6-0 loco
=7th - Class 40 diesel loco
9th - 10000 & 10001 LMS diesel loco twins
=10th - LMS PO Sorting Van & tender (POS & POT)
=10th - BR ‘Shark’ ballast brake van
I'm quite surprised that in those eleven 'wants' there is only one steam kettle (and only in seventh place) - perhaps modern D&E is now what the manufacturers should be concentrating on.
Also does no-one bother with modelling these days; many of them are already available as older RTR models (ripe for detailing and improving) or kits (ready to build). I'd prefer the manufacturers concentrated on developing all new products, rather than updating older existing ones or duplicating kits, to better and faster expand the range and choice. But then that's just my tuppence worth.
H.
Hi,
Quote from: H on June 12, 2013, 10:43:59 AM
Quote from: class37025 on June 10, 2013, 04:08:35 PM
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1. BR mk.1 TPO stowage van
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1st - BR Mk1 TPO Stowage Brake Van
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Thanks for the correction H, Bachmann are producing the Stowage Brake in OO for ModelZone apparently due March '14 - again, if it's successful I'd guess they'd have 'first dibs' on an N version.
Really pleased to see the update on the printed 92 :D
Regards, Gerry.
Quote from: Arrachogaidh on June 10, 2013, 08:44:01 PM
And Class 5MT Clan were in there as well......
Pedant mode on....
The Clans were 6P 5F ... :)
Pedant mode off...
Been away a few days so just picking up on this thread. Personally I would love to see a Clan produced, but I doubt it is truly viable as a RTR model in N.
I suspect the best (only) RTR route would be a newly tooled body for the Dapol Brit chassis if Dave Jones has designed the chassis clearances with the "Clan" in mind too.
I am surprised by how well the 92 has scored. Certainly from all accounts (Dave Jones from Dapol and Bachmann have both said this) electric locos and EMUs are generally slow sellers and I would not hold out too much hope that one will be delivered.
As to the rest, some sensible "wishes" like the 43xx Mogul (Which would already been with us had Ixion not changed their plans/priorities). A retooled Class 40 is surely only a matter of time and a Thompson Full Brake (Indeed Thompson coaches generally) ditto..
Will be interesting to see how the NGF loco Poll compares.
Roy
We already know that a new 40 is on its way (Bachmann have already retooled the OO version) and the 117/118 is probably right up Dapols street. I wouldn't be surprised if the 123 wasn't on Dapols hit-list either...
Quote from: Vanders on June 12, 2013, 11:50:00 PM
We already know that a new 40 is on its way
Really? I wasn't aware that was Farish's intension - perhaps I missed the announcement? Is there any confirmation that a new, and presumably retooled, class 40 is being developed and on its way?
H.
Quote from: H on June 13, 2013, 12:32:27 AM
Quote from: Vanders on June 12, 2013, 11:50:00 PM
We already know that a new 40 is on its way
Really? I wasn't aware that was Farish's intension - perhaps I missed the announcement? Is there any confirmation that a new, and presumably retooled, class 40 is being developed and on its way?
It's been standard Bachmann policy to produce new models in both scales for years now, and the 40 is ripe for a retool.
Quote from: Vanders on June 13, 2013, 12:33:30 AM
It's been standard Bachmann policy to produce new models in both scales for years now, and the 40 is ripe for a retool.
Apart from all the examples where they haven't. So no official announcement and nothing actually on the way with it being just your opinion that it is 'ripe', eh?
No doubt that they might get around to it sometime in the future but in the meantime they've got a massive long list of outstanding models that they have actually said they are developing. Consequently I doubt that a class 40 is currently 'on its way'. Could be wrong tho. . .
H.
Well if any of that lot get produced - and both Farish and Dapol must prioritise already announced models - I doubt I will buy any. I am happy with my 2 current 40s , one Poole one China, - fine at normal viewing distances. Had one split gear on the older Poole model. Easily replaced. I have put BHE split headcode front on that one. Might get another loco to put a plain front on I suppose.
I like the idea of a split code Peak and agree the bogies are wide, but again as an early new model from China my ywo look fine at viewing distances.
I voted for a Clan (well essential in Scotland) among other things. Most likely source, if at all, probably Dapol as others have suggested. But my problem with their tender engines, and I only have a Brit, is that wretched drive shaft which comes adrift easily and is a ******* to reconnect. My colleague turns the air blue with his 9Fs, A3 and A4! That is one reason I have stuch to Farish for my B1s.
I know it is hearsay but this quote from the other wishlist poll thread:
Quote from: B757-236GT on June 10, 2013, 08:17:40 PM
Is the farish peak really that bad? I havent heard many complaints up until i saw it made joint third?
I did once speak to bachmann at ally pally that if they were ever going to be retolling the 40 and the response was "i would think its worth a bet that it will be comming along at some point!"
Richard
I know it is vague enough that it could be two years off or twenty and I shouldn't read too much into it; but the implication is that there is a definite plan for an updated 40 (but that's probably true of the entire range, including the stuff still to hit the shops).
Quote from: H on June 13, 2013, 08:12:47 AM
Quote from: Vanders on June 13, 2013, 12:33:30 AM
It's been standard Bachmann policy to produce new models in both scales for years now, and the 40 is ripe for a retool.
Apart from all the examples where they haven't. So no official announcement and nothing actually on the way with it being just your opinion that it is 'ripe', eh?
Well, yes? Old Farish tooling? Check. New 40 on it's way in OO already? Check. General policy of releasing in both scales? Check.
I'm not Hercule Poirot but I don't think it requires amazing deductive reasoning to suggest that perhaps, maybe, just possibly, the Farish class 40 might just maybe possibly perhaps get an upgrade in the next year or two.
Quote from: Vanders on June 13, 2013, 11:49:01 AM
. . . . perhaps, maybe, just possibly, the Farish class 40 might just maybe possibly perhaps get an upgrade in the next year or two.
Well, of course, that possibility is true of the entire existing range especially as they age. I got the impression you were infering that it was definately 'on the way' but apparently it is just your best deductive opinion. I thought that I'd missed some confirmed announcement - still, no doubt, that will happen sometime in the future. :D
H.
I did ask at Ally Pally whether the retooled 40 would appear in N and the reply "only a fool would bet againist it" was all that was said with a grin so id take that as pretty much confirmed. I would expect it to be announced in 2015 announcement given the OO wont be here till Warley but 2014 is possible.
Richard