Bring out yer dead

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crewearpley40

#30
There was a thread 7 years ago

https://www.ngaugeforum.co.uk/SMFN/index.php?topic=40202.15

Locos like the shunter ( Catalogue 210 / 211 ) had a grim cab where one could see 
The motor and a block.


The 31s ( 1970 ) ( Catalogue 209 Blue and 214 Green) and the Deltic ( 217 Blue and 253 Green introduced 1978 ) all had decent moulding but I guess were overtake to fit that awful Ringfield
Motor. There was the pancake motor


As for the 1967 introduction of the 86

https://japan-train-blog.infogogo.com/model-railways/manufacturers/lima/lima-n-gauge-class-86-220205G.html

The article highlights issues with the 86 and a poor toy like pantograph,  deeply recessed windows on the cab, translucent glazing and 1 cab occupied by a motor that became unresponsive.

Thanks for sharing about 4F
I did notice this . Seems to be tender driven, jerky runner and lacks detail.

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forums/topic/181254-the-history-of-the-triangwrennlima-n-gauge-range/
I did not know the marketing but worth a read

ntpntpntp

That RMWeb thread is basically the same discussion which rolls round every few years. People not knowing how far back the Lima British N range goes, bemoaning the scale issues, the cheap motors, the vapourware King, Western, and J50 where we only ever saw retouched 00 models in the catalogue  (I must admit I was excited about the prospect of the Western).

Someone on there asked about the 86 "Novelty" - yes I have one.  The nameplate actually reads "Navalty".  It has a can motor and runs better than the cheap ringfield style motor bogie but still only driven one end and pickup on the other. We've discussed them on here in the past. Too little too late.



Can motor 31:


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crewearpley40

Nick
Thanks for this. Agree could have done better with the 86 both with 86235 and E3185 and always thought the 31 and Deltic sat high. I still have the shunters although non working

Foxhound

Quote from: crewearpley40 on January 22, 2025, 10:59:36 AMNick
Thanks for this. Agree could have done better with the 86 both with 86235 and E3185 and always thought the 31 and Deltic sat high. I still have the shunters although non working

I have E3185 but sans-pantograph so haven't shown it here. Sounds like a deranged chainsaw but it does actually move. I was bequeathed it by a dear friend and it was totally dead according to my old Gaugemaster controller. Oddly, when I hooked up my Morley Vector it twitched, twitched again, and the started to move very slowly. A bit of de-fluffing and it will do a scale 60mph now. Any advice on the best pan to fit to it?
Rob and Becky (artistic director)

ntpntpntp

#34
Probably needs something from Dapol?  Peters Spares list 2 pantos for N but only the Breckell-Willis is in stock (not the Stone-Faiveley).  I don't know what type the 86 should have?
https://www.petersspares.com/p/dapol-2a-000-031-brecknell-willis-pantograph-n-gauge


Whilst not prototypically correct, the old Sommerfeldt single arm panto will probably fit though will need something doing with the isolator mounts I expect. Matt is still selling off the former CJM stock of them for a great price on ebay :)  I bought quite a few as replacements on some of my older German locos.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/387492688634


Nick.   2021 celebrating the 25th anniversary of "Königshafen" exhibition layout!
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crewearpley40

#35
Rob @Foxhound

Sorry cannot advise on best pantograph probably use Internet and search around. The video shows a few hints but my loco us not the best runner and I run it with a 47 piloting or rarely.  As I was posting so was nick , probably that's the route to aim for ( dapol )

https://railsofsheffield.com/products/stone-faiveley-pantograph-pair




Stone faiveley prior to c. 1984
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/forums/topic/68282-when-did-class-86-pantographs-change/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robinidle/4937029450/
86420
https://www.westernthunder.co.uk/threads/25kv-stuff-old-and-new-and-other-electrics.11682/page-2

icairns

The Lima Class 86 is an interesting model.  Here is a comparison between the Lima model and the much later Dapol version.  (Apologies as I have posted some of this information on another thread previously).


In the foreground is my Wrenn-Lima model.  The original Lima body has been fitted with a modified Tomix Class EF66 chassis and a Dapol pantograph.  With the Tomix chassis the loco runs like a dream, and nothing like it did with the original Lima power unit.
 
I painted the buffer beams of the Lima model red but the small yellow warning panel is original.  (Lima made versions with either a small white panel or a yellow panel as shown above).
The rear buffers of the above two models are lined up, and as can be seen, the Lima version is considerably shorter than the Dapol model.  Also, the Lima version is taller and with the oversize black thing on the roof, it makes the pantograph very high with resultant excitement when the loco goes into tunnels and under bridges!  There is just clearance on my layout, but only just.
 
Ian

Moonglum

I still have my Lima Class 86. I am not sure when Dapol released their version but the original Lima model must have been tooled in 1966/7, nearly 60 years ago - so for its age...

Cheers,

Tim

ntpntpntp

@crewearpley40 Can you shorten that link to the RoS panto back down please, it's throwing the page layout off :(   Only need to include the link up to "pantograph-pair"  (ie. up to but not including the ? character). The rest is just tracking and currency settings etc.

tia   
Nick.   2021 celebrating the 25th anniversary of "Königshafen" exhibition layout!
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crewearpley40

#39
Quote from: ntpntpntp on January 23, 2025, 04:51:39 PM@crewearpley40 Can you shorten that link to the RoS panto back down please, it's throwing the page layout off :(  Only need to include the link up to "pantograph-pair"  (ie. up to but not including the ? character). The rest is just tracking and currency settings etc.

tia
Dapol 2A000-030
https://www.dapol.co.uk/products/2a-000-030-n-gauge-stone-faiveley-pantograph



Tim @Moonglum

Approx 2022 dapol. Lima approx 1967

Try now.  Looks good on that tomix chassis!
Nick
@ntpntpntp Where did you obtain the chassis from please?

ntpntpntp

Quote from: crewearpley40 on January 23, 2025, 05:01:30 PMNick
@ntpntpntp Where did you obtain the chassis from please?

Which chassis are you referring to?  My Lima can motor 86 and 31 were both ebay purchases. Still after a can motor Deltic just to complete the set of examples (missed one a few months ago)
Nick.   2021 celebrating the 25th anniversary of "Königshafen" exhibition layout!
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crewearpley40

#41
Tomix EF66
Sorry unfamiliar with these.
You mentioned above and was appreciative of the reply but hectic day. Good luck with the Deltic. Have 2 myself


@icairns thanks for the comparison
Nick ntp sorry. Tad busy time and misread

As for Deltic

https://japan-train-blog.infogogo.com/model-railways/manufacturers/lima/lima-class-55-deltic-d9003-meld.html

Horrible overscale and probably fleebay

ntpntpntp

@crewearpley40 Ah that was @icairns with the Tomix EF66.  I expect there'll be one on ebay :)
Nick.   2021 celebrating the 25th anniversary of "Königshafen" exhibition layout!
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crewearpley40

#43
Thanks Ian it was. Please nick do update us on the Deltic.  I'm on here regularly Tags not needed. I sold my lima 55 and later purchased a farish. As far as the 86 goes the dapol version is
Quieter and the pantograph and roof detailing looks an improvement

icairns

Using a Tomix EF66 chassis under the Lima Class 86 was a well-known upgrade back in the day.  The modifications included removing the Tomix dummy centre bogie, installing the Lima battery boxes (or whatever they are) in the middle of the underside of the Tomix chassis, some very minor fettling to get the chassis to fit the body, and painting the grey bogie sideframes black. 


There is an EF66 up for sale on U.S. eBay here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/356459948752

Ian


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