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Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
« Reply #330 on: September 08, 2020, 05:33:07 PM »
A more pertinent figure might be how many there were of the most numerous diagram, did it run with any of the other SR stock they have released and can they re-use anything like the underframes without too much modification?

The big problem with catering vehicles is only expresses tend to contain one and then most rakes only contain 1. People might buy multiple seconds, brakes and even firsts but often only 1 catering vehicle.
Well, that's just not good enough. Some fount of all knowledge you are!  :no:  ;)

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Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
« Reply #331 on: September 08, 2020, 06:52:55 PM »
They were normlly marshalled within existing sets of 3 to 6 coaches. As an example a Waterloo to Bournemouth/Swanage/Weymouth service may consist of a 3 set plus Restaurant and open 3rd as the Weymouth portion a 3 set for Bournemouth and a 2 set for Swanage, the Bournemouth portion may well have  2 or more loose coaches or a second 3 set added. A limitation on services ex W'loo is the length of platform a max of about 12 x 59' coaches, anything longer takes a second platform and the 2 portions join outside the station.
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Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
« Reply #332 on: September 08, 2020, 08:09:24 PM »
Very pleasantly surprised that the high-window versions are arriving soon! :claphappy:

I'm not planning to buy a complete olive green set but will consider buying a loose 3rd corridor carriage. 
However I'd be very interested if Dapol release in the fullness of time, versions in crimson/cream and BR(S) green.
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Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
« Reply #333 on: September 08, 2020, 09:37:11 PM »
A more pertinent figure might be how many there were of the most numerous diagram, did it run with any of the other SR stock they have released and can they re-use anything like the underframes without too much modification?

The big problem with catering vehicles is only expresses tend to contain one and then most rakes only contain 1. People might buy multiple seconds, brakes and even firsts but often only 1 catering vehicle.

There were 46 standard Maunsell Restaurant cars (classed Kitchen/Diner First), to four diagrams, the only difference between them being the catering equipment that was installed in the Kitchen. Externally they were identical.

D.2650: 7870/71 (1932), 7931/32 (1932)
D.2651: 7858-63 (1927), 7939-58 (1929-30)
D.2655: 7878/80 (1934), 7933/34/69 (1934), 7995/97/98 (1934)
D.2656: 7864-69 (1932), 7999, 8000 (1934)

35 restaurant cars were rebuilt in the early years of British Railways:
7858, 7949/52 were rebuilt to D.2657 in 1947
7864/65/67, 7999 were rebuilt to D.2658 (1947); 7878, 7969 to D.2661 (1947); and 7940/55 to D.2667 (1953) as Kitchen/Buffet cars
7939/54 were rebuilt to D.2675 as Cafeteria Cars in 1952
7859/60/62/63/66/69-71, 7934/41/42/44/45/47/48/50/51/53/56-58/95 were rebuilt to D.2666 Buffet cars in 1953/54

The buffet cars were substantially externally rebuilt, the others retained their original external profile, apart from some blanked-out windows..

All bar one were withdrawn between 1960 and 1963
12/60: 7858, 7940/41/43/44
1961: 7861/65/68, 7932/45/49/52/53/55
1962: 7859/60/62/63/64/67/70/71/80, 7931/33/39/42/46/47/50/51/54/56/58/97/98, 8000
1963: 7866/69/78, 7934/48/57/95/99

The remaining one, 7969, survived until December 1967, nominally as cover for Bournemouth line services during the electrification project, but was seldom used. It was noted in the formation of the 12:15 Exeter-Brighton on 07/10/67, by then the last survivor of the SR pre-war stock.

The KDFs usually ran with an Open Third type vehicle. Six Dining Saloons (effectively Open Thirds with dining tables fitted to each seating bay) 7864-69 were built in 1927 (during the 'low-window' period) to run with the first six KDFs (7858-63), providing third-class dining facilities. They were renumbered 1363-68 and released into the general pool in 1934; from then on any third-class dining requirements were satisfied by suitably equipping an Open Third or General Saloon (aka 'Nondescript' - a similarly designed open vehicle which could be designated as required to any of the three classes in use at the time) from the general pool. The Open Thirds were either from the 'drop window' variety built during the early 'high-window' period, or the version with top-ventilated large-pane windows that were produced later in the Maunsell period. Obviously the TO of most interest will be the 'drop window' version, which were eventually utilised in the 1960s 'pull-and-push' sets with second-period high-window BCKs.
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Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
« Reply #334 on: September 08, 2020, 09:51:35 PM »
However I'd be very interested if Dapol release in the fullness of time, versions in crimson/cream and BR(S) green.

They have said that they will - BR(S) Green first, then BR Crimson/Cream - no timescales on this, though.
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Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
« Reply #335 on: September 08, 2020, 10:09:45 PM »
Also the LNER had many more long distance services. The SR was primarily a commuter railway and only a small selection of routes were long enough to require catering facilities (primarily the WoE services).

The Maunsell Kitchen/Diner Firsts (with Ironclad similar in their early days and Bulleid Tavern twin sets later on) were the mainstay of catering on the ex-LSWR long-distance services. Central and South-Eastern lines used Pullmans where catering was required; either as originally built or converted to buffet cars.
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Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
« Reply #336 on: September 18, 2020, 10:25:34 PM »
Email from Allen at Worsley Works, the open third and Ironclad restaurant sides will bein the post on Monday, so I'll need to get sorting through possible donor coaches.
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Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
« Reply #337 on: September 19, 2020, 11:31:07 AM »
Excellent news, Mike. Looking forward to seeing your models' progress.
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Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
« Reply #338 on: October 30, 2020, 08:23:09 PM »
Please excuse my ignorance of all things Southern Railway but Iím curious to know if the Maunsell coaches (as modelled by Dapol) would have been seen anywhere in the Guildford area during the 1930s pulled by an ex.LSWR T9 Greyhound?

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Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
« Reply #339 on: October 30, 2020, 09:28:18 PM »
Please excuse my ignorance of all things Southern Railway but Iím curious to know if the Maunsell coaches (as modelled by Dapol) would have been seen anywhere in the Guildford area during the 1930s pulled by an ex-LSWR T9 Greyhound?

I'm no expert on the period or the area but I'd say, yes. Others would know better.

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Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
« Reply #340 on: October 30, 2020, 09:50:03 PM »
More likely on hrough services like Waterloo to Portsmouth; you could probably invoke Rule 1 and run the T9 and a rake of 4 on a Redhill to Reading service, as far as I know they would  still be using mostly ex SECR stock on that route. Waterloo - Portsmouth behind a U class or D15, neither of which locos are available RTR but a T9 would also be a possibility as would an N.  You can also use an ex LSWR 700 class on goods, maybe an occasional 0395, both available from UM. A G6 0-6-0T (NBrass kit) for shunting/station pilot. Waterloo- Guildford stoppers were often an M7 with a rake of 4 or 6. 1930s though you really need an Adams A12 0-4-2, but that will need to be scratch built or a very serious hack of  UM 0395.
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Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
« Reply #341 on: November 26, 2020, 12:11:24 PM »
Looks like the SR lined green high window 4 & 6 car sets have arrived at Rails, had an email saying they've taken the money, so hopefully here by the weekend.
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Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
« Reply #342 on: November 28, 2020, 12:23:53 PM »
Four and six coach sets arrived this morning, better get a move on with the new layout so I can run them!
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Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
« Reply #343 on: August 06, 2022, 11:51:04 AM »
Did I miss the BR SR Green Maunsell high window models?

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Re: Dapol Maunsell coaches
« Reply #344 on: August 06, 2022, 12:22:18 PM »
No Chris
Dapol have rerun almost everything they have dies for apart from these desirable coaches!!!!
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