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Offline Bikeracer

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« on: September 09, 2011, 07:55:17 am »
I only started railway modelling at Easter this year and have very little knowledge regarding  rolling stock.In a post I've just read there have been the following abbreviations.....BG, GUV, CCT, BSO, BSK and TPO mentioned and I don't have a clue what they are.
Its the same with steam loco abbreviations. Diesels aren't really a problem because they're just a number.

Not everyone comes into this hobby with previous knowledge and it would be handy if there was a sticky for newbies in this forum with a list of different abbreviations.

There seem to be a lot of OT stickies that are nothing to do with railway modelling at all and IMHO it might be better if there was an OT topic category just for OT posts..

Allan
« Last Edit: September 09, 2011, 08:07:45 am by Bikeracer »
I'm not a complete idiot..some bits are missing.

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Re: Abbreviations
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2011, 08:10:11 am »
good idea, but just to kick you off:

BG = Brake gangway (parcel/guards van)
GUV = General(?) Utitily Van
CCT = Hmmmm, I know what one is, but what does it stand for?
BSO = Brake Second Open
BSK = Brake Second with compartments and a side Korridor (BFK and BCK would be first class and composite equivalents)
TPO = Travelling Post Office

In general:
B = brake, G = gangway, V = van, T = trailer, M = motor, D = driving cab
O = open seating, K = compartments
F, S and C = first, second and composite (both) classes respectively
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Re: Abbreviations
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2011, 08:24:58 am »
It does make you wonder who came up with the letter K for 'compartment' and 'corridor' ;D
Mind you, it could be the same person who devised the three 'R's' (reading, writing and arithmetic) ??? ::)

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Re: Abbreviations
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2011, 09:02:19 am »
K = side corridor, non-corridor compartment stock doesn't have any letter for compartments, hence BT = non-corridor Brake Third. This non-corridor stock is often referred to as 'suburban'.
CCT = Covered Carriage Truck 4-wheeled. The Southern version also had a variation without end doors called PMV = Parcels Miscellaneous Van.
R covers catering coaches. When K is used with R it means Kitchen, not side corridor!
SL for sleepers

TPO isn't really part of the above (LNER derived) coach designations, but a more general abbreviation, as they come in several versions: Stowage, Sorting, Brake, with and without Nets.

TOPS codes are another set of letters entirely. In the old code above SPV = Special Parcels Van (ex-'Blue Spot' Fish vans) whereas in TOPS SPV = Vacuum braked Plate wagon (S= 4-wheel steel carrier, P=plate, V=vacuum brake)

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Re: Abbreviations
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2011, 09:28:01 am »
I was about to say what CCT stands for but Bernard beat me to it!

It could also stand for http://www.cctrailroad.com/  ;)
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Re: Abbreviations
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2011, 01:46:50 pm »

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Re: Abbreviations
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2011, 03:55:35 pm »
I've been modelling for years and still don't know what many of these actually stand for, or even are.

It gets even more mind-numbing with JJA (my autoballasters are called JJA) and TEA (my weathered china clay bullets are called TEA, I think) etc.

I'm not sure what an OT post is, but whatever one is, it's a great idea to have sticky topics with this kind of info in it.

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Re: Abbreviations
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2011, 04:14:56 pm »
It gets even more mind-numbing with JJA (my autoballasters are called JJA) and TEA (my weathered china clay bullets are called TEA, I think) etc.
I think you'll find they are TIA, TEA are 100tone/102tonne oil tanks. (or a cuppa  :thumbsup:)

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Re: Abbreviations
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2011, 04:24:25 pm »
Thanks! :thumbsup: I stand corrected.  Just goes to show how useful a sticky topic would be! ;D

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Re: Abbreviations
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2011, 04:28:52 pm »
All about the codes.
The British Rail Tops(Total Operations Processing System) project (including BOTTOMS)
http://www.les-smith.com/software/tops.htm

BR Wagon Codes - Wagon Diagrams and Design codes
http://www.ltsv.com/w_ref_codes_design.php
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Re: Abbreviations
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2011, 04:30:09 pm »
"I'm not sure what an OT post is, but whatever one is, it's a great idea to have sticky topics with this kind of info in it."

  OT is "off topic" post.

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Re: Abbreviations
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2011, 04:53:39 pm »
Aha, thanks Stu.  Have re-read the OP and now understand better.

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Re: Abbreviations
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2011, 05:45:07 pm »
I work on the railway and it doesn't get any easier with all the abbreviations for modern passenger stock, either: class 220/221 Voyagers have DMF/MS(A)/MS(B)/DMSL for example. Don't get me started on HSTS!

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Re: Abbreviations
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2011, 10:53:06 pm »
I work on the railway and it doesn't get any easier with all the abbreviations for modern passenger stock, either: class 220/221 Voyagers have DMF/MS(A)/MS(B)/DMSL for example. Don't get me started on HSTS!

DMSL on a voyager can only be one thing "driving, mysterious smell, lavatory"

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Re: Abbreviations
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2011, 10:57:22 pm »
I work on the railway and it doesn't get any easier with all the abbreviations for modern passenger stock, either: class 220/221 Voyagers have DMF/MS(A)/MS(B)/DMSL for example. Don't get me started on HSTS!

DMSL on a voyager can only be one thing "driving, mysterious smell, lavatory"


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