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Offline davieb

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New to Forum!
« on: May 20, 2011, 04:15:22 PM »
hi all

i am new to the forum and may i say an excellent forum it is
i have just started an 8x4 foot layout to get my eye back in as i have been away for many years
eventually i will be building a room sized layout and have found alot of excellent advice on this forum

thats all for now

davieb

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Re: New to Forum!
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2011, 05:16:52 PM »
Welcome aboard mate, and thanks for the kind words.

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Re: New to Forum!
« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2011, 06:03:04 PM »
Hi welcome aboard  :NGaugersRule:

hope you enjoy  :-*

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Re: New to Forum!
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2011, 06:06:01 PM »
hello

welcome to the site  :)

what sort of era you modelling,


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Re: New to Forum!
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2011, 06:17:09 PM »
hi all

thanks for the great welcome everyone.

in reply to matt-b i am going to be modelling the mid to late 60's as i was born one month after the end of steam on br
it will be loosely based in the nw of england as it is the area where i live and also my father served his apprentiship at horwich loco works so a crab is a must as well as class 08

thanks again to all for the great welcome

dave

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Re: New to Forum!
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2011, 06:22:06 PM »
sounds good...thou abit before my time  :P sorry!.
have you a rough idea of what you want, layout plan, stock, building etc
least with 8x4 you have plenty of room...you say getting back into it so am guessing you have abit of modelling experience?

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Re: New to Forum!
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2011, 07:35:55 PM »
Hi Dave,

Welcome to the forum.

Alex

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Re: New to Forum!
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2011, 07:58:05 PM »
Hi Dave,

Welcome to the forum, lots of friendly folk and good advice here, as you've found.

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Re: New to Forum!
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2011, 08:04:24 PM »
hi all

thanks for the welcome once again

matt-b  i used to have a small layout in the early 80s just 4x2 but then left the hobby for r/c model boats now as i have time and the space having just split from my wife and moving in with my parents to help look after them
and was getting back into steam railways after the birth of my grandson he loves thomas so it made my mind up to start a layout. and with the improvements in 'n' started to collect  items from toyfairs,etc
now it is who is interested more, me or my father it has also rekindled his interest in railways the first thing he askes if we are going out is. which railway shop are we going to today?

as for the layout it will have a 3 platform station,brewery&siding for shunting & an engine shed plus other buildings that fit into the layout

speak soon

dave

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Re: New to Forum!
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2011, 11:21:32 PM »
Welcome to the forum Davie, good luck with the layout and its nice to see another Dave on the forum. ;) ;) ;) ;)
Keep on Smiling
Dave.

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Re: New to Forum!
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2011, 12:58:35 AM »
Not born until 1989 then eh Dave?  ;)

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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2011, 10:18:55 PM »
i was born at the end of september 1968
steam ended the beginning of august 1968

just a small change to the layout it is now 8x3 as where it is situated i would not easily reach any derailments etc that happened on the back of the layout

all the best

dave

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Re: New to Forum!
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2011, 01:19:11 AM »
I'll bet you a tenner that steam engines owned and operated by British Rail and running on British Rail lines didn't finish until 1989.  :thumbsup:

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Re: New to Forum!
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2011, 04:36:34 AM »
Looking at the write up your both right and both wrong!!  :thumbsup:

FROM WIKIPEDIA


Before the 1923 Grouping Act, the picture in the UK was mixed. The larger railway companies built locomotives in their own workshops but the smaller ones and industrial concerns ordered them from outside builders. A large market for outside builders was abroad because of the home-build policy exercised by the main railway companies. An example of a pre grouping works was the one at Melton Constable that maintained and built some of the locomotives for the Midland and Great Northern Joint Railway. Other works included one at Boston (an early GNR building) and Horwich works.
 
Between 1923 and 1947, the "Big Four" railway companies (the Great Western Railway, the London, Midland and Scottish Railway, the London and North Eastern Railway and the Southern Railway) all built most of their own locomotives. Generally speaking, they only bought locomotives from outside builders when their own works were fully occupied (or as a result of government-mandated standardisation during wartime).
 
From 1948, British Railways allowed the former "Big Four" companies (now designated "Regions") to continue to build their own designs, but also created a range of standard locomotives which supposedly combined the best features from each region. Although a policy of "dieselisation" was adopted in 1955, BR continued to build new steam locomotives until 1960 (the last being named Evening Star).
 
Some independent manufacturers produced steam locomotives for a few more years, the last British-built industrial steam locomotive being constructed by Hunslet in 1971. Since then, a few specialised manufacturers have continued to produce small locomotives for narrow gauge and miniature railways, but as the prime market for these is the tourist and heritage railway sector, the demand for such locomotives is limited. In November 2008, a new build main line steam locomotive, the 60163 Tornado, was tested on UK mainlines for eventual charter and tour use.


Trials of diesel locomotives and railcars began in Britain in the 1930s but made only limited progress. One problem was that British diesel locomotives were often seriously under-powered, compared with the steam locomotives against which they were competing.
 
After 1945, problems associated with post-war reconstruction and the availability of cheap domestic-produced coal kept steam in widespread use throughout the two following decades. However the ready availability of cheap oil led to new dieselisation programmes from 1955 and these began to take full effect from around 1962. Towards the end of the steam era, which came about in 1968, steam motive power was allowed to fall into a dire state of repair; this along with the absence of attention given to the attendant staff working conditions could only accelerate the decline to such a degree that British Railways estimated that its steam locomotives accounted for around four times more in running costs than diesels.[citation needed] The use of steam locomotives in British industry continued on an ever-reducing scale into the late 1980s,[citation needed] but the poor availability of replacement parts, coupled with the decline of the coal mining industry, led to the disappearance of steam power for commercial uses.
 
Several hundred rebuilt and preserved steam locomotives are still used on preserved volunteer run railway lines in the UK. A dozen or so are regularly used on the national rail network by private operators where they run special excursions and touring trains. New steam locomotives,such as the LNER Peppercorn Class A1 60163 Tornado have been built or are in the planning stage
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Re: New to Forum!
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2011, 11:02:12 AM »
I wouldn't trust Wackipedia (and btw if you are pasting from Wackipedia the licence requires you say so 8))

It's wrong on some points.

British Rail owned and operated steam ended when they sold the Vale of Rheidol in the late 1980s. The VoR steam locos ran in BR blue (and very good they looked I might add). 1968 was just mainline steam. LT and industrial steam continued long after. Some of those also had shared running rights so it's possible that some pedant might be able to find an industrial loco on a bit of shared running right line post '68 ?

The use of petrol and diesel actually goes back a fair way and it wasn't really engine power that was the problem.

Petrol engine primarily narrow gauge locomotives were used very successfully in the first world war, the limit on them at the time was primarily the gear box.

A steam locomotive is (usually) direct drive. This has its limitations such as the need to pick a wheelsize to suit the task as the power output is proportional to the speed. However it means you can connect the wheels to the cylinders with honking lumps of metal and transmit enormous amounts of power without bits falling off or bending.

Petrol/diesel has a fairly constant output but it needs a transmission system to work. In the early days the big problem was building a gear box that could transmit that power. That limited them to small shunting jobs - but from the 1930s on they were very successful in replacing small steam industrials and indeed horses in industry and some were beginning to get into shunting work on the big four.

The GWR railcars were probably some of the first very successful mechanical drive predecessors of the first generation DMU, and they solved the power situation by careful design and arranging how the engines each drove bogies. For higher power levels the Americans figured out diesel electric but after the first prototype work the War killed further activity and pending nationalisation and material shortages meant the predecessor shunters to the 08 and the mainline prototypes envisioned took from 1939-1948/9 to actually appear. There was basically a ten year hiatus.

The 1950s DMUs are actually very similar to the GWR railcars in basic concept but with rather better mechanical transmission then available, and somewhat newer (but still basically bus) engines.

Dunno what improved the gearboxes so much over the period - tank building perhaps ? someone else will have to fill that bit in !

Sadly the last few remaining steam companies in the UK like Israel Newton are slowly vanishing into history
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