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Author Topic: N Gauge British Modern Rail Head Treatment Trains.  (Read 38361 times)

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Re: N Gauge British Modern Rail Head Treatment Trains.
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2012, 09:06:55 PM »
Hi Guys,

Interesting thread, as I have custom built one set from the Model Rail article, just downsizing the OO dimensions and using a little modeller license to boot.
All I can say in Russ, great mock ups and the handrails will be much better than my attempts, but can I pee on the parade here for a second.....

...I think you are all barking up the wrong tree by using the Dapol Container carriers. Personally (and I am going to bias because this is what I used) you need to use the Graham Farish Intermodal twin set as the basis for these wagons and the train. I think the dapol ones are to long in proportion and the better fit is the Farish models. However...

I had mega problems with mine when I built them with the original wagons bending and warping in the middle. My current model is strengthened with metal strips (Which also help with running) and also the couplings between the two Farish wagons are better than the dapol ones.

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Re: N Gauge British Modern Rail Head Treatment Trains.
« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2012, 01:29:56 AM »
Hi Dil

The RHTT flats are FEA-S flats which are spine wagons not disimiliar to Dapol's FEA-B twin set.  The Farish twin set is a completely different wagon (FIA Multifret).  The Multifret is closer to the KFAs which IIRC have been used on some RHTT, but the FEA-S is more common.

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Re: N Gauge British Modern Rail Head Treatment Trains.
« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2012, 08:46:09 AM »

Hello Dil,

As Mike said above, the RHTTs are run predominantly using single unit FEA wagons rather than the FEA-B twin sets modelled by Dapol.  Having said that, personally I will run the model with an FEA-B (albeit probably repainted black and weathered) and am happy to live with the compromise.

However, I am not sure that KIA Multifret can be used to deputise because the deck length is too short - the RHTT modules are the equivalent of an ISO 20' container; and three of them are usually fitted to each 60' FEA.

The Multifrets (like the Megafrets) have only a 50' deck space, so can carry a single 45' or 40' container, or 2 x 20'.  Freightliner have some wagons (FSA) that have identical bufferbeams and bogies to the Multifret but they are longer, with a 60' deck.

As an aside, I think the shorter flats are more efficient in terms of overall length nowadays when fewer 20' boxes are used.  Indeed, Freightliner have recently taken delivery of the first wagons in a batch of new "shortliner" wagons that have a 40' deck and are designed to maximise the number of 40' containers that can be carried within a given train length.

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Re: N Gauge British Modern Rail Head Treatment Trains.
« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2012, 10:38:28 AM »
Hi Guys

Just a quick update.

The modules have been designed to fit the Dapol FEA-B twin set as that's all iv seen used on the many phots Iv been sent and looked at. But, if it lights your candle to use them on something else that's fine - adapt and enjoy! They are based, as Ben says, on the footprint of a standard 20' container.

As the Dapol FEA-B twin set is not quite right for the RHTT there are additional buffer beams and an extended drawbar for the join between the two wagons to help represent the FEA-F single wagons more accurately.

Also were doing a loop (as on the middle of the Dapol FEA-B twin set) to rapido coupler but until this is tried we wont have a clue if this will work - if it does this will enable 3 wagon version of the RHTT. If this fails we'll try NEM to loop.

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Re: N Gauge British Modern Rail Head Treatment Trains.
« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2012, 01:13:50 PM »
Good luck with the Rapido couplers, let us know how you get on :thumbsup:


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Re: N Gauge British Modern Rail Head Treatment Trains.
« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2012, 06:28:09 PM »
Another fascinating model in development!  :thumbsup:

What sort of time era did these RHTT's start in service? There has always been leaves on the rails since probably the first railway track but the only thing I found during various searches is this...

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        ... but somehow it doesn't look right, Network Rail and Class 40?  :hmmm:
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Re: N Gauge British Modern Rail Head Treatment Trains.
« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2012, 07:42:48 PM »
... but somehow it doesn't look right, Network Rail and Class 40?

Could this be the answer [extracted from Wikipedia]:

Six other locomotives were preserved, and on 30 November 2002, over sixteen years after the last Class 40 had hauled a mainline passenger train, the Class 40 Preservation Society's 40 145 hauled an enthusiasts' railtour from Crewe to Holyhead and back.

The loco was formerly D345 renumbered 40 145 and named East Lancashire Railway in Large Logo Blue livery at East Lancs Railway and mainline registered

thus on hire? Brian
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Re: N Gauge British Modern Rail Head Treatment Trains.
« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2012, 08:04:14 PM »
... but somehow it doesn't look right, Network Rail and Class 40?

Could this be the answer [extracted from Wikipedia]:

Formerly D345 now 40145 Large Logo Blue at East Lancs Railway and mainline registered

thus on hire? Brian

40145 is a "Preserved" Loco which I had found out but it doesn't answer the query of when did these RHTT's being developed as a model first enter service on the network?
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Re: N Gauge British Modern Rail Head Treatment Trains.
« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2012, 09:28:18 PM »
but it doesn't answer the query of when did these RHTT's being developed as a model first enter service on the network?

Sorry, can't help there but I do try  ;)
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Re: N Gauge British Modern Rail Head Treatment Trains.
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2012, 09:56:25 PM »
After a lot of searching, I have the a partial answer - 2004!!
www.windhoff.de/d/wh/akt/pre/nr32_33.pdf

it states that 14 new sets were introduced in the autumn to work alongside the previous 6 sets.

Hopefully this will give you a timespan for these, at least the last 8 years, possibly 9 but doubtful any longer than 10.

Hope this helps.

Best wishes
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Re: N Gauge British Modern Rail Head Treatment Trains.
« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2012, 10:16:30 PM »
After a lot of searching, I have the a partial answer - 2004!!
www.windhoff.de/d/wh/akt/pre/nr32_33.pdf

it states that 14 new sets were introduced in the autumn to work alongside the previous 6 sets.

Hopefully this will give you a timespan for these, at least the last 8 years, possibly 9 but doubtful any longer than 10.

Hope this helps.

Best wishes

Simon


Thanks Simon. That makes them a bit after my layout time era  :(
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Re: N Gauge British Modern Rail Head Treatment Trains.
« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2012, 10:38:29 AM »
Thanks Simon. That makes them a bit after my layout time era  :(
But bang on for the current scene modeller.  8)

I'm interested to see what modification to the FEA-B would be required to make them FEA-F. Is the distance between the boogie centers on FEA-B and FEA-F the same? I could live with using them on a FEA-B pair though.

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Re: N Gauge British Modern Rail Head Treatment Trains.
« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2012, 12:04:06 PM »
When the time comes I am thinking along the same lines to convert to 2x FEAF wagons
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Re: N Gauge British Modern Rail Head Treatment Trains.
« Reply #43 on: December 27, 2012, 02:52:30 PM »
An excellent little project and one that iam looking forward too seeing (and hopefully owning) in 2013.

All the very best with it and update us all soon :thumbsup:


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Re: N Gauge British Modern Rail Head Treatment Trains.
« Reply #44 on: February 27, 2013, 03:52:06 PM »
Another fascinating model in development!  :thumbsup:

What sort of time era did these RHTT's start in service?


Some research has indicated that 50 FEA's were taken by Network Rail in 2005 for use with the RHTT
http://www.ltsv.com/w_profile_051.php

According to rail.co.uk introduced for leaf-fall season 2005.

http://www.rail.co.uk/rail-news/2012/leaves-on-the-line/

However the initial six units and the long standing MPV units operated together in autumn 2004.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:RMQwT2VQZaYJ:www.windhoff.de/d/wh/akt/pre/nr32_33.pdf+&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgj01ezQkvJEQwYIzEueZQEpedzScgtvXDRVTKzp40Bfy0hGYwBOVnFJQDKmivUC-PXTbMrhU_Qb7tDEx9zZOIjYSR_vafV6g6JGiizcx4vUIlp3lOGpI708jMjEWoJQB4RgFWY&sig=AHIEtbThJMPHPT8ydbg70-IIvogvN4wMJw


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