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Author Topic: Portsmouth and Southsea - Planning take 2!!  (Read 11551 times)

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Portsmouth and Southsea - Planning take 2!!
« on: October 10, 2012, 08:52:11 AM »
Hi All

Yes, I am at it again. Much as I still like my Weymouth Plan, i've been increasingly feeling as though it wouldnt make a terribly big amount of sense for a town like Weymouth which is essentially not really near anything that would justify the intensive level of service that I had set up for it. Also, as it would have been split Diesel and Electric it would have been heavily intensive on Rolling Stock requirements, and thus incresing cost.

Not only do I feel I couldn't do justice to Weymouth - even in an alternate Universe, I am not convinced I could have done justice to my own ambition and aspiration.

Thus, I am rapidly turning towards Portsmouth and Southsea. Here we see a qenuinely busy station, already electrified, has a very interesting station and track layout (possibly unique in both cases), Architecturally pleasing, already electrified, and any alterations to the course of history - such as those needed for my Weymouth Plan do not require any alterations to the station itself at all - the changes happening off board at places such as Fareham and Alton!

So, here beholdeth my second draft plan for Southsea.



My key requirements for this plan were, that the Low Level Platforms be to scale, that the High Level Shed structure be able to be around half modelled - even if the actual shape along its length isn't quite right due to track requirements, and therefore the High Level Shed should "look right" when viewed from the Jacobs Ladder Footbridge (is that its real name?), that the Track Layout should be as close as possible to shape (first) and scale (second). It must be both operationally interesting and flexible - which I believe the plan is, and that even if the front of the Southsea Station Building isn't able to be modelled - that the back should be able to be modelled convincingly.

The High Level platform is shorter than it should be by nessesity - most likely the backscene will disect this on a diagonal in order to be discrete. I plan to build the Wooden Panelled shed for this platform as I vastly prefer the look of that structure to the more modern example seen now.

The track plan will be mostly electric, but services will be a mix depending on exactly when I plan to model. All being good, I hope to model the station as unspecific in era as possible to be able to operate stock from a range of time periods. This could accomodate things such as the DEMU's before the Solent Triangle was electrified, and suggest other things such as the Fareham to Alton line not being shut.

This is only the rough draft, but I think I have the guts of the track layout set in at least wet concrete so that shouldnt change much. I would be interested to hear your thoughts.
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Re: Portsmouth and Southsea - Planning take 2!!
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2012, 09:40:41 AM »
Fantastic looking plan! If my numbers come up on the lotto I hope to the bit just on the right end and round the corner!!! :thumbsup:
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Re: Portsmouth and Southsea - Planning take 2!!
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2012, 09:45:39 AM »
Ive even left the back road available to you!!  :laugh:

Fantastic looking plan! If my numbers come up on the lotto I hope to the bit just on the right end and round the corner!!! :thumbsup:
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Re: Portsmouth and Southsea - Planning take 2!!
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2012, 10:58:35 AM »
The footbridge is indeed known as Jacobs Ladder.

There is a branch off of the High Level platform up-line that I think also went to the dockyard.  I'm not sure when the track was removed and it may be too hard to fit it into your layout as you would need a sharp curved point.

Really looking forward to see this coming along - I'll try and get a vid of the High Level so as to capture the unique noise of the trains rumbling through
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Re: Portsmouth and Southsea - Planning take 2!!
« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2012, 10:10:26 PM »
Just as an aside, does anyone know what the difference in height is between the Low Level and High Level platforms? Just so I can get some idea as to what gradient is required at both ends of the High Level.
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Re: Portsmouth and Southsea - Planning take 2!!
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2012, 04:39:35 AM »
remember every hour there has to be the Pompey chimes (some call it the Westminster chimes but what do they know  :P ) being right next to the guild  hall,,,
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Re: Portsmouth and Southsea - Planning take 2!!
« Reply #6 on: October 26, 2012, 06:46:23 PM »
Some old pictures of the station and surrounding area (e.g. picture of the seaplane school, submarines etc)

http://www.pastandpresentpublications.com/past_images1.htm

An early view of the station
http://ww2.portsmouth-college.ac.uk/portsmouth/main.php?g2_itemId=1578

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Re: Portsmouth and Southsea - Planning take 2!!
« Reply #7 on: October 26, 2012, 07:21:32 PM »
Excellent plan!  :drool:  I really like it, and would love to have that on my own layout.  *jealous*   :D

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Re: Portsmouth and Southsea - Planning take 2!!
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2012, 09:54:11 PM »
Something arrived in my mailbox yesterday (could have been hiding in there a couple of days, the parcel was that small  :laugh: )



I see a project coming up, I will have to work out how I am going to fix, and possibly brace it, and paint it (learn how to airbrush now I have a compressor courtesy of the father in law who is an a retired upholsterer) and see how we get on - Ive never attempted one of these before.

Many thanks to Bernard for his wonderful and accomodating service across the globe!

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Re: Portsmouth and Southsea - Planning take 2!!
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2012, 11:00:58 PM »
I'm going to Portsmouth and Southsea tomorrow so let me know if you want any more pictures
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Re: Portsmouth and Southsea - Planning take 2!!
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2012, 11:19:32 PM »
Hi All

Just a quick update, I have tweaked the Trackplan, and also altered the Pointwork at the Low Level Station throat as I discovered looking at photographs that I had a little bit more track than the real station actually had. I have arrived at the below in the interim while I work out how to finish the plan off.



So the planning and research continues, I now have a fairly extensive collection of images and information to work off (could still do with more though) so I'm slowly getting there!  :read:
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Re: Portsmouth and Southsea - Planning take 2!!
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2012, 06:57:59 AM »
This is looking good. Not sure when I'm back in Pomp but let me know if you need any more  :camera: I do have a reason to wander over Jacobs Ladder.
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Re: Portsmouth and Southsea - Planning take 2!!
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2012, 10:00:40 AM »
You prob seen this but was googling jacob's ladder bridge, as never really noticed it ( normally get off at Fratton for footie and then down to Portsmouth Harbour for fish and chips). Anyway, saw this. Thought was nice.

70000 10/9/11 Pompey Pacific, Jacobs Ladder, Portsmouth

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Re: Portsmouth and Southsea - Planning take 2!!
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2012, 03:04:16 PM »
Shame about the multi coloured worms getting in the way :-X
I always rate the Brits as being one of the better proportioned standard steamers :thumbsup:

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Re: Portsmouth and Southsea - Planning take 2!!
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2012, 03:32:58 PM »
I'll bet you were glad you were upwind of it. :)

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