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Loco handrails
« on: Yesterday at 08:58:18 PM »
I have an old Poole Farish 8f which I plan to tart up and renumber, and I got this crazy idea to fit separate handrails to improve the look of it. The reason I say it is crazy is because I have never done this before, it looks very fiddly, and I have an unlimited capacity to make a complete hash of things.

I've searched the forum and handrails are mentioned dozens of times but everybody seems to assume everybody else knows how it is done! Would some kind expert please write a tutorial on the subject? I'd like help on removing the moulded handrail to leave a smooth finish, how to drill the holes for the knobs evenly and how to fit and bend the rail. I don't expect I would achieve the sort of finish produced by many members but I feel I ought to have a go.

Cheers,

Chris
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Re: Loco handrails
« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 09:14:27 PM »
Evening Chris, firstly this is no expert advice!! Dr Al and The Brighton are the boys for this!!!!

I too felt that an old GF rebuilt Merchant Navy needed this doing to it. This metal does not file well!!! You'll carve loads off, hack loads off and then attempt to file it smooth.

Dr Al told me, that you HAVE TO REPAINT the loco, absolutely no way you can not do that because of the amount of filing done to get every trace gone. You then have to constantly check that your filing the boiler shape not horrible angles and flat!!!!

Once that's done you have to scribe your straight line, with a tapered diminishing boiler, and mark out the centres for the knobs  :doh: then attempt to drill this metal with something like a 0.45mm drill bit, you'll need about 10 drill bits to drill 12 holes!!!

You'll then have to work out how to get 6 knobs onto a 0.25mm wire, without them falling off so you can get them into the holes you've drilled, they need to be fixed from inside the boiler but all need to be straight, then you have to bend the wire over the Smokebox door and go all down the other side.

Needless to say I have a stripped bare MN body with all the holes drilled in it but no knobs and no handrail.

I genuinely wish you all the luck in the world. It really is a magnificent skill to learn. I will do it,  I just dont know how many years I can put it off for!!!!

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Re: Loco handrails
« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 10:05:09 PM »
As stated, checkout Dr Al's builds on the forum and you will see how this is done. You can order the N-Gauge bits and then just solder away!

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Re: Loco handrails
« Reply #3 on: Today at 10:59:12 AM »
Evening Chris, firstly this is no expert advice!! Dr Al and The Brighton are the boys for this!!!!

I too felt that an old GF rebuilt Merchant Navy needed this doing to it. This metal does not file well!!! You'll carve loads off, hack loads off and then attempt to file it smooth.

Dr Al told me, that you HAVE TO REPAINT the loco, absolutely no way you can not do that because of the amount of filing done to get every trace gone. You then have to constantly check that your filing the boiler shape not horrible angles and flat!!!!

Once that's done you have to scribe your straight line, with a tapered diminishing boiler, and mark out the centres for the knobs  :doh: then attempt to drill this metal with something like a 0.45mm drill bit, you'll need about 10 drill bits to drill 12 holes!!!

You'll then have to work out how to get 6 knobs onto a 0.25mm wire, without them falling off so you can get them into the holes you've drilled, they need to be fixed from inside the boiler but all need to be straight, then you have to bend the wire over the Smokebox door and go all down the other side.

Needless to say I have a stripped bare MN body with all the holes drilled in it but no knobs and no handrail.

I genuinely wish you all the luck in the world. It really is a magnificent skill to learn. I will do it,  I just dont know how many years I can put it off for!!!!

That's not encouraging!!  ;D

I've seen Dr Al's fabulous work. I'll go through some of his posts and see how he does it.

Cheers,

Chris
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Re: Loco handrails
« Reply #4 on: Today at 12:01:57 PM »
Removing the old, moulded handrails is easy on a UM loco. You can gently carve/scrape them off with a craft knife down to boiler level. This will leave a straight, shiny line at the correct height so you can easily drill holes (I use a 0.4mm drill bit) in the right place. Now you can give the surface a gentle sanding with wet and dry paper but you will need to break out the paint to touch up or you may need a more comprehensive repaint.

Use 0.3mm wire which will slide through the handrail knobs that NBrass, 2mm SA etc produce. Once the handrail is bent to shape I thread on the knobs and pop a spot of super glue in the first hole using a needle and pop the first knob in making sure it is standing proud of the boiler at the correct distance and then carry on with each knob individually until it's done.

If the loco is an old Farish one I will struggle for a while trying to remove the rock hard metal handrails and will probably give up but if I succeed there will need to be a lot of work to smooth things over. Next I will bulk order drill bits to give me a vague chance of drilling all the required holes but the last will snap with one hole to go. I will then attempt to remove the broken drill bits that are firmly imbedded in the bodywork without success. I will then look at the resulting mess and think to myself that the moulded handrails didn't look that bad afterall and decide what kit I'm going to build to put on the spare chassis I now have ;)

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Re: Loco handrails
« Reply #5 on: Today at 01:37:28 PM »
Perhaps an old Farish loco is not the place to start then...  :hmmm:

I'll see what else I've got that I can practice on.

Cheers,

Chris
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