Modelling Preserved Steam Support Coaches

[KiwiAlan]

I've recently become interested in the support coaches that run with preserved main line steam locomotives and wondered whether anyone here has modelled them in N gauge.

What started me looking into the subject was seeing vehicles such as 99953 (the NRM-owned Mk1 BSK used with Flying Scotsman) and 35457 (the Mk1 BSK commonly associated with Tornado). They add a lot of character and authenticity to a modern preserved steam train, yet they seem to be a relatively uncommon modelling subject.

I've discovered that Railtec produce transfers for some support coach numbers, including 99953.

However, looking at photographs of the prototypes, I'm wondering whether a simple renumbering exercise is enough. Many preservation support coaches appear to have evolved quite a bit from their original BR condition.

From what I've read, Mk1 brake vehicles such as BSKs, BCKs and BGs were originally fitted with the guard's roof periscopes, but a number of preserved examples appear to have had these removed during refurbishment. I've also noticed differences in underframe equipment, ETH connections, warning markings, window treatments and other details. Some vehicles seem to retain a fairly standard appearance, while others have clearly been altered to suit their support-coach role.

For those who have modelled support coaches:

• Which prototype did you choose?
• What modifications did you make beyond numbering and livery?
  
• Did you remove the roof periscopes?
  
• Were any window or underframe alterations needed?
  
• Are there any particularly good photographic references for preservation-era support coaches?
  

I'm also trying to work out the best starting point in N gauge. For 99953 and 35457, I'm currently looking at the Graham Farish range and wondering whether the 374-187E Mk1 BSK would be a better base model than the 374-199 Mk1 BCK. My instinct is that the BSK is the more appropriate starting point given the prototype vehicles, but I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has researched or built either coach.

More generally, I'd love to see photos of any support coach projects, whether for Flying Scotsman, Tornado, Sir Nigel Gresley, Clan Line or any of the other main line steam locomotives. They seem to be a fascinating corner of modern preservation modelling that doesn't get discussed very often.

Thanks in advance. I look forward to seeing what others have done and learning a bit more about how today's support coaches differ from the original Mk1 vehicles they started life as.

[Bealman]

An interesting question, and one I must admit I've never ever even thought about!

Like you, I look forward to replies.

[crewearpley40]

             
Alan

Interesting question

     
Vintage train support coaches—
often converted from British Railways Mark 1 passenger brake vehicles—provide a mobile base for service crews, carrying spare parts, tools, and mess facilities for mainline steam operations.

Here is a breakdown of their main purposes and notable examples in the UK:Functionality : They serve as crew break rooms, kitchens, mobile workshops, and equipment storage during long-distance, mainline r?ailtours.Locomotive

71000 "Duke of Gloucester": The BR Class 8 ?Steam Locomotive Trust purchased and restored a Mark 1 coach stabled at the Tyseley Locomotive Works to support its operations.Locomotive 60163 "Tornado":

This mainline steam locomotive is supported by its own E35457 Mk1 coach, and a highly detailed model version has been produced

Locomotive 45596 "Bahamas": The Bahamas Locomotive Society operates a Mk 2a ?support coach (No. 14060) which operates from the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway


                   
Vintage Trains uses converted BR Mk1 General Utility Vans (GUVs) and support coaches on their mainline steam excursions to house equipment, spare parts, and additional water tanks.


This support rolling stock extends their steam locomotives' operating range and allows them to bypass modern water towers on the rail network.

Key Facts About Vintage Trains' Support Fleet GUV Water Carriers: Vintage Trains (based at Tyseley Locomotive Works) utilizes authentic Mk1 GUVs—such as W96100—to carry large tanks of water to feed their express steam engines on long-distance tours


 Might be worth


Railtec Transfers https://share.google/aAY615metNXBvrrbB
https://www.railtec-models.com/catalog.php?type=5&gauge=2mm&theme=39


http://www.railtourinfo.co.uk/coach.html