Full brake coach

[geofff]

I've seen models of full brake coaches in Brown & Cream and Red & Cream but cannot find any photos of those liveries in use on the actual railway. Are these liveries just for model railways or did they exist in reality?


regards

[martyn]

Which region, when, and which design of stock?

For instance, BR mk1 corridor-fitted BGs had crimson and cream from new, except for two batches.

Martyn

[Bob G]

I understand that BR(S) borrowed (i.e. acquired by devious means and didn't return) a couple of WR Chocolate and cream BGs to top and tail the Bournemouth Belle in the early 1960s, after the wooden bodied Pullman brake vans were retired and all steel K type Pullmans were transferred from the ER. The SR didn't inherit any K type Pullman brakes from the ER (come on Revolution! We need a Bomo Belle rake please).
Later on, around the time the Class 47s were doing the Belle, Maroon BGs were used. There seem to be plenty photos of these!

I think the pictures are out there, but of course more people were interested in the locos than rolling stock in those days. Remember there were not that many chocolate and cream BGs as they would have only been used on the named trains that the WR ran.

There were probably many more carmine and cream BGs as that was standard "Blood and Custard" livery on all regions from 1948 - 1956.

Bob

[martyn]

Another reference I've found states that 'Main line corridor coaches.......' became crimson and cream, and doesn't say that this excluded BGs.

The same reference later says that 'Main line corridor stock and full brakes for principal trains' were to be C+C.

This was for the 1948 initial livery, and doesn't include the regional revisions from 1956 when the WR repainted stock to GWR colours.

I think the Society also did research to ensure that its RTR BGs are correct, as did Colin for Ultima's kits and printed sides.

Martyn

[geofff]

Martyn and Bob

Many thanks. I'll get the secondhand models from Hattons.


regards



Geoff

[Steven B]

Crimson & Cream and Chocolate & Cream liveries were carried by pre-BR and Mk1 BG. Choc & Cream more likely on former GWR stock.

Choc + Cream Mk1 BG (first vehicle behide loco) - Bornemouth Belle:
Merchant Navy Class 4-6-2 No 35030 "Elder Dempster Lines" on the Bournemouth Belle by John Evans, on Flickr

The 'Bournemouth Belle' by Nige's Place, on Flickr

Crimson & Cream LMS BG:
https://flic.kr/p/2iTbYGp

BR Mk1 BG in "Royal Scot" train:
https://davidheyscollection.myshopblocks.com/pages/david-heys-steam-diesel-photo-collection-39-br-express-trains




Steven B.

[Steven B]

Further to my last post, whilst modellers like trains of matching coaches, it's worth remembering that BR often failed to. Miss-matched rakes are perfectly prototypical:

BR(S) green + Pullman umber/cream:
https://flic.kr/p/fSJaGy

Maroon and Pullman umber/cream:
D1921_Vauxhall_BBelle_28-4-67 by robertcwp, on Flickr

Blue/Grey, maroon and umber/cream:
https://flic.kr/p/xPGEeN

Steven B

[geofff]

Hello Steven B

Very many thanks for the photos and links. I tend to forget that Flickr is available.


regards


Geoff

[Newportnobby]

In Nobby's model world of four regions the following exist:-

MK1 Blood/Custard BG Full Brake 'W' prefix
MK1 Blood/Custard BG Full Brake 'M' prefix
Mk1 Maroon BG Full Brake 'M' prefix
Mk1 Maroon BG Full Brake 'E' prefix
Mk1 Maroon BG Full Brake 'E' prefix
Mk1 Maroon BG Full Brake 'W' prefix
Hawksworth Full Brake Blood/Custard 'W' prefix
Hawksworth Full Brake BR maroon 'W' prefix
Mk1 Choc/Cream BG Full Brake 'W' prefix
Mk1 Choc/Cream BG Full Brake 'W' prefix
Mk1 Blue/Grey BG Full Brake 'W' prefix
BR MK1 Green BG Full brake 'S' prefix
Thompson Full Brake BR Crimson & Cream 'E' prefix
Thompson Full Brake BR lined maroon 'E' prefix
K41 Collett BG Full Brake 'W' prefix
BR Collett BG Full Brake maroon 'W' prefix

[Bob G]

Is that your personal stock list?
Bit rough on the passengers I think.
Standing room only.
Bob

[Newportnobby]

Maybe unlike you I don't have passengers in my BGs

[Bob G]

Bob Gs BGs are full of Christmas presents 🎁 I think

[Newportnobby]

I just hope my BGs aren't occupied by Bee Gees

[crewearpley40]

At least 4 BGs parked in my sidings

3 in blue / grey, 1 in all blue Newspapers branding

[geofff]

In Nobby's model world of four regions the following exist:-

Nobby

That's quite a collection - I've got three - the best being the N Gauge Society Thompson. But I have all of my stock on the layout and can probably just fit the two BGs that I want from Hattons.


Regards